Another Below Deck Podcast - Perfect Pitch feat. Kate Casey | The Traitors S4 E4

Episode Date: January 18, 2026

Dylan, Pat and Ruby are joined by Reality Life's Kate Casey to talk talking, breakfast, axes, masks, pagan rituals and more from Peacock's The Traitors.PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/anotherpodcastnetwork  YOUTUBE: https://www.youtube.com/@badtvpod  INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/badtvpodcast/?hl=enLumiGummies.com CODE BadTVReality Life w/ Kate Casey - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/reality-life-with-kate-casey/id1154758766

The strength of a reality show sometimes really does lie in the mistreatment and the torment of the cast. Yeah, you got to sleep your problem. We saw Love is Blind season one. I mean, it's never reached the peaks of that ever again. And what did we hear? Lawsuits filed. We're being treated like we're in Abu Ghraib. And that's why it was such a fantastic season.

You have to do this to these people. That's right. Okay. I'm Hello and welcome to Bad TV I'm Dylan That is Pat Great to be here

Joining us also is Kaelin How you doing Kaelin? Hello Good You okay? Yeah All right Ruby is joining us

From across the pond Hello Ruby What is going the fuck on Nothing too much Joe hello Across the pond Where New York

And Ruby is also It's important to know She is the head Of the New York chapter of the Michael Rappaport fan club. So tweet at her, DM her at papaya dog girl. Joining us today is one of the greats, our favorite reality life's very own. Ket KCasey. Hello, Kate KCasey. Happy to be here. Happy to be here. Happy to be here. Now, you're about to get hit with an avalanche of influenza, I feel. But maybe it's just

Maybe not. Maybe not. I don't want to put that evil on you, Ricky Bobby. My husband says I do have like a really good immune system. So I'm going to, I'm going to say you're wrong. Okay, good. I hope I am. Patty has his sexy little legs crossed and he is ready to talk about traders. Oh, it's my favorite show to Rico. It does look a little bit like a lady leg right now. Oh, sorry. Well, I'm the cross leg. It's very tiny. No, we'm like a politician from California. Pat and I sit like that because I think our genitals are extremely small so we can sit like this. Correct. Right. So it's an easy crossover. Yes, exactly. So,

Kate, before we get into the show, and we like to start off our episodes giving a score of one out of 100 shoulder taps, we should say go listen to Kate Casey,

leave five stars, and then continue listening. That's right. Yes. Also, say, So say how much you love having either the bad TV people on or Patty. Just, yeah. Of course. Yeah.

You could say Patty. But we are going to get into episode four of this fourth season of Zetraith. Kate, how do you think the season's going so far? What do you think about the casting overall? I like a bit of them. Some of them I have no idea who they were. Like Eric is this big singer-songwriter. I had no idea who that was.

Yeah. Not a clue. Not a clue in the world. Pat kicked off our season by saying, Who the fuck is this guy? Well, he also said to me that he felt like Mark Ballas was like the sixth banana on Dancing with the Stars, but he's actually one of the best pro dancers in the history of the show.

Oh, really? I think it's just if you're thrown off because he has an Ogilvy home perm and, you know, He doesn't seem in physical challenges to be of peak physical standing. No, no, no. And that is something that's funny about this show is you take like a Tara or Tara, as they say it on the show, Lipinski, Olympic skater and Mark Ballas. And when you see them doing something athletically that is not in their real house, it's very strange.

Oh, yeah. Johnny Ware couldn't collect a skull to save his life. And he's a little Olympic athlete. And like we mentioned last episode, If I was Eric in that cage, I don't care if I think you're a traitor or not. I'm rallying the entire house against you for what you did to me in that cage. But Kate, episode four, would you think? How many shoulder taps would you give it?

I'm going to give it 65. I think my like hang up with the show is I think they spend way too much time on the challenge part. Like I find myself like, okay, like wrap it up, wrap it up, wrap it up. Yeah, tea gas. Yeah. All right. I want to jump on. Kate's shoulder taps.

Does Kate know T-Cass? Time to get a snack. Did you know that that's what it meant? I did, yes. Okay, wow. Okay. So here's the question, though, that has to be answered because I'm a producer in my heart. Like, I'm a podcaster, probably third.

I'm an entertainment journalist first. But investigative journalists. That's right. And I'm not sure if you caught it, but just rewind to catch Ruby's, oh, which was really important to hear. Okay. the producers listen to this show, obviously that's how they picked the secret trader and figured that out. They kind of stole my idea and they owe me 50 grand, but that's another story. We'll deal with that later. Yeah. You've negotiated down to 20, I think. Fair enough. Who you've negotiated with? I'm not sure. The question is, you can't just, it would be a boring show if they just sat around that house and tried to plot and plan. I disagree. You got to break away from it. So if we get rid of the missions or every other, whatever they have a mission, What do we replace it with, Kate?

That's the question. I don't know, but like in episode four, they've got these weird, like, metal dolls hidden into, like, stones hanging from trees and then these weird mannequins. And I felt like the whole thing was just a little bit off. Well, the reason why you thought that is because it was a pagan ritual of occult evil, a burning effigone. Yeah, it seemed highly pagan.

Yes, it was highly pagan. The only idea I could come up with. and then I'll get to my shoulder taps, was they actually, oh yeah, yeah, okay. Is they actually let the cast go out on a day

and experience something with each other, almost like a bachelor date, where they go out to a town or a fair. I love that. Right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then they mess with them somehow. They think they're going to have the day off. And then, of course,

Alan Cummings shows up and says, oh, I bet you thought you were going to have fun today. You know what, Robs, that's a little bit like the dinner party challenge as a survivor. I can see them doing something like that. I know,

I'm just going to say that would be fun. On the challenge, you have people that are super fit and, you know, take it seriously. But half the people look like they've never even lifted a barbell. So I find that the challenges are a little bit sad to watch because I'm worried about the emphysema. Yeah, sure. It's a good point. Health issues. No, but yeah, I agree.

Because there are, and I'm not a person that's been taken down with age quite yet or emphysema, but I would not be able to do some of this stuff. So watching someone Donna Kelsey's age is not, I don't want to do that. That seems cruel. And I think that if they gave them pat like a, you pick out, I don't know, random things, two of you get to go on like a dinner date, pick three people to take with you. And then you all, I don't know, just become conspiracy theorists about everybody in the house or something. I think that would be really, really a brilliant way to you, you're rewarded with, I mean,

they're all wind and dined like crazy, but you get to go somewhere and you separate. people. So they have a conversation here. See, there we go. Hey, by the way, producers, I'm going to sound like Michael Rappaport, by the way, who needs permanent duct tape over his mouth. Producers, if you steal my fucking idea and I see it next season, I'm coming for you. 48 pots. You know, I've always, and, you know, the producers never listen to me, which is a little hurtful.

But I don't have great ideas. I have great ideas. What are you talking about? Okay, go ahead. I've always thought that the way to, um, raise the stakes of the show's actual death. Oh, yeah, it's a great idea. It's going to be tough to ensure the show.

Well, you sign a waiver. The UK is very easy for death. Yeah. You know, it's a better idea. You say instead of, you know, obviously killing you off, we've killed your career from this point. You will never get a job in the entertainment industry ever again. Well, I like my idea better.

But anyways, I give this. episode um 60 shoulder taps it's it's lovely to watch the the pleas of the doomed at the roundtable going i'm here for a good reason guys i'm trying to get my son through and the round table going yeah don't really give a shit sorry i thought you're going to say the pleas when you're tied to the tree specifically ron so me your faces if you don't go kill you i swear to god i'm going to come back there how much your fuck out of you. No, we've decided to actually not be careful and just do Ron Funge's impression.

It's a good guy. Yeah, it's really cool. We love Ron. Roobes, how many shoulder chaps do you give it? In 68, I thought it was nice to see little bits of other characters forming Colton being emboldened because he made one right call and now he will be wrong. I thought it was good. Yeah, 68. And you know, Demi's been going viral for reminding everybody that we should actually not allow Colton on national

television because he's a creep and I said, I bit my tongue. A little big, uh, little big energy, Debbie. Demi. Yeah. The little girl. Yeah. Oh, wow.

She was a powerhouse back in. I honestly, I think Demi would be a great cast member. Well, you know why she does. She is pretty open in the beginning of that video. She's like, I should be on the show.

Yeah. She should be. This is a good package for you to get on. Yeah. Little bobblehead. Okay. Uh, last week we left off with Ron,

hold on. Kate. you tell me if I'm right or wrong about this. Colton keeps attributing why he'd be good at this game because of his many years playing football and not the fact that he fooled 28 women into thinking he was a straight man.

Well, he didn't know, but did you hear Derrinda the way that she phrased it? Did you hear that? No. So she was like, so you were pretending you were a heterosexual when you were on that show? Wow, she just goes for the joke. That's why you have a housewife.

Yeah, that's why you have to render there. So last week we left off with Ron Funches, threatening the trader's lives and sounding like a teddy bear became Michael Jackson. But we are not certain who is killed this evening. We get to breakfast. And Rob, Rob Rosh, the snake charmer. He has a strategy.

Be dumb. What do you think about this strategy? I've told you, be a fly on the wall. Now, fly on the wall is different from dumb. Yeah, I agree with you. Okay. So fly on the wall, you cannot be silent. So fly on the wall doesn't necessarily be just don't say anything.

It means people are talking, you're engaging, but you're not putting your neck out there like Colton, which is one of the dumbest things you can do. Right. So you have to say, who do you think is coming in today? And then, you know, something like, all right. So Monet Exchange says, brings up the idea and it's a wonderful strategy. We should ask them the details when they walk in. Now, he pulled that straight from the plot that Tom Sandival.

Oh, I mean Sandival. The dumbest of all. The dumbest of all. Who ruined that last season? It's a wonderful detail that you can ask and you can trap someone. If you remember last season, dumb of all, I mean, Sand of all, Can I tell you something? I think you're really great with names. That's not your best. Oh, okay. Dumb of all? Yeah. I mean, my God. Seven shoulder taps. Okay, forgive me.

But you have to step up to bring ideas like that in because it can't hurt you, but it makes the group think you're thinking out of the box with like good ways to expose a traitor. Yeah. Well, Stephen Coletti walks in, Stephen Coletti of One Tree Hill fame. Ribs, can you you help me not be gaslit by Pat for one second. What was Stephen Coletti's arc on one tree hill? How many episodes do we have and did it impact the culture the way that him and his white Tacoma and his love triangle with Kristen and Lauren did? No. There you go. Okay. He was on like, I believe one or two seasons. I believe he played someone named Chase. I know, but you got to understand.

Davis liked whatever. They said, I love you. It was stupid. It was irrelevant. If he was literally there or not there, everything would have progressed the exact same. Goodbye. Sorry. And no. No. It's Laguna Beach. Well, you have to understand that Stephen Coletti has refused to do any interviews about Laguna Beach for approximately, I don't know, 20 years. He did. I'm a mysterious actor, etc. So he is now on a reality show, which to me is absolutely hilarious because it's the very thing that he was embarrassed to be part of. But he's doing it because he wants to hard launch the same. second phase of the actor career. Interesting. So the reason, that's so interesting. So the Chiron reads One Tree Hill at his request, it's not a mistake. Correct. He's asked, oh, okay, got it. Stephen Coletti. So ironic that he did a podcast with Kristen Cavaleri breaking down each and every episode of the franchise that he was so repulsed to be a part of. Correct. I thought that was hilarious, too. Okay. So, he, He comes in and immediately demands the salmon. I would say to Stephen Coletti, pump your brakes.

Derinda feels bad that Rina is going to die. And again, I think people are very confused about whether or not people are actually being killed on this show. Yeah, and Lois, rest easy. Stay up in that telephone pole and keep making that nest. Renna's not going to be visiting you soon. No, no. Rina's going to stick along with us. She's going to make lipliner and rosé that you cannot purchase anywhere.

Okay. Now, the first tied to a tree person to walk in was Ron Funches. And the interrogation begins. Ron Funches passes the test. And I think, I'm thinking at this point, I'm so rose colored. I may be a little bit blind. Every turn, I'm like, if Ron Funches can get through this, I think that he can stick around for a while. I have this to say about Ron. He is the first to come through the door. They ask him the direct question out of nowhere without hesitation, with conviction, very detailed, describes their questions right there.

For me, if I'm a juror, I'm like, all right, I have to say, even though others had said it's Ron's day to be taken down, I would probably be convinced to be swayed away from this guy at this point. Right. Yes, we're all hung up on the idea that he convinced us to get rid of Portia. based on what he had said. But he's, he's never wavered.

He said, yes, that was a bad move, but it was based on her improperly using pronouns. Right, because no one on this show has ever levied to accidentally get a faithful eliminated.

It's just never happened on this show. Yes. So it's just fucking, leave Ron alone. We love Ron. Kate, who were you excited about seeing when the cast was announced

or this first episode? Like, did you have any MVP's or front runners. Not really. Yeah. I don't know. I feel like housewives are really good in the round tables, but they suck at the challenges.

And then they, you know, a lot of people think housewives support each other, but they're completely wrong. They don't want any other housewives to get more attention. And like that one scene where Caroline gets kicked off the show and she goes, I don't know, maybe I'll see you a BravoCon. Lisa's like, I don't think so. like they're all cutthroat with each other too and I was happy Durinda's getting a second chance at it

because I do think she would be a fun player and I do think as you know as vicious as she can be I think she does have a good read on people so I like players like that I really I'm reading the tea leaves a little bit here I don't think there's any way we get out of this season without Derinda being a traitor at some point probably i agree with you

she's got to be a traitor and i don't know how long rob's going to last on the show because i i think that playing like a hot meathead it has is limited in its capacity to keep the momentum going you know yeah i think so too i mean we've seen like you can't

you can't sit on the sidelines for too long in season two there's a big brother player named dan who they would constantly ask him who do you think and he's just like i don't know they're like well, we, do you have any, you have any theories? No, I'm not really sure. I'm just kind of gathering stuff right now.

Well, Trichelle said that that's a red flag. She told me, I interviewed her this week. She said, if you don't offer a name, that's a big red flag for everybody. Right. Wait, some other things that I want to throw in there that she told me that we're, that were very interesting. They're all sleep deprived. And if you're a traitor, you, you film longer than everybody else.

So if you're a traitor, you're only getting sometimes like maybe three hours of sleep. It was one day where she got like six and it was like a honeymoon. It was unbelievable. And they only get 10 minutes each day to talk to their families. So that's going to mess you up too if you've got kids back in home. And there's a lot of like moving groups around and not, you know, like four come this way. And then they're together. And so it's like moving the plates around all the time.

So it makes them a little bit whackadoo. I love this. And you can barely eat anything at the breakfast table because you're so nervous. nervous. And then you get close to certain people and that makes you not want to eliminate them. Like you could see that Candace was like, oh, I'm going to be ripped apart for getting rid of Tiffany because Tiffany was probably going to be like, I talk to her all the time and I felt like that was a real knife to the heart. You know, it's so funny. Like I think that you can see, and this is going to sound a little sadistic, but I think that the strength of a reality show sometimes really

does lie in the mistreatment and the torment of the cast. Yeah, you got to sleep your problem. We saw Love is Blind season one. I mean, it's never reached the peaks of that ever again. And what did we hear? Lawsuits filed. We're being treated like we're in Abu Ghraib. And that's why it was such a fantastic season.

You have to do this to these people. That's right. Okay. You know, you have to. Look, a lot of people have suffered for their art. By the way. By the way, Pat, you want. to be on the show, you're going to be sleep deprived and you can only call home for 10 minutes every day.

Are you going to be okay with that? Kate, I'll be fine. The reason I'm such a hard worker is because I never learned that you don't suffer for life. You just suffer and I'm used to it. So I can handle anything. I would walk home in the cold without a jacket and the dead of winter. What? Now there's somebody in my Facebook group who's got it in my head now that you and I should both apply so that we can both be on the same season and have an alliance. I was like, that's pretty funny. I love it. Kate, he will kill you in a heartbeat. No, I won't, Kate. By the way, my, yes, he will. The person I'm excited, although I was not asked the question, thank you, Dylan, is Christian from Top Chef because the way that she carries herself. Yeah, you're right.

And she, for me, personally checks all the boxes of someone who will make it to the end. She has a fly on the wall. Yes, you're right. She carries herself well. She can't be trusted. She will not do something stupid, like announce that she is a traitor hunter and just the likeability factor. She will make it down. And by the way, a careless move not to take her out when they had a shot. I think so too. But you're right because Candace and Lisa Rinna, I'm like, yeah, duh, they would be

traitors. They're so much, right? But Kristen, you can't figure she's very aloof. I think it was. And we'll let's get to the next thing. So you want to get to the third minute of the show? Third minute of the show. Ron thinks that Mar-O-War,

is possibly a traitor because of the light feet. Now, this is a dumb clue, but it's all we have right now. Now, Candace is the person he's actually hearing the light footsteps of, but we'll get to that. Michael Rappaport has adopted a new tactic. What's that? I'm going to chill out. I'm going to chill out.

I'm going to stop talking about how hot I am, right? because I have a pink issue to otherwise modeled white skin. By the way, don't fuck with people that are pale. You know, we have our issues, okay? We cannot go to the beach and get a golden tan. You don't look at in certain colors. Nobody wants to invite you on the cruise.

I am much, I am much paler than you are, okay? No way. Yes way. Yes way. What are you? You guys want to have a pale off? Yeah, I'll fucking, I'll dominate Kate and a pale off. You kidding me?

How many minutes does it take you to get a sunburn? You know what? I can get fairly golden. No, I've never, no. I've never, no. I got to fake tan it. I got to, yeah. Ruby and I are capable of a, of a Native American kind of few.

Okay. Maybe it looks like she can get a tan. Yeah, maybe can. By the way, maybe it's just me because I read people well. When Lisa Renna goes through the same questioning that Ron just went through. She's not, by the way, not playing the game well. Like every time she comes in, oh, I'm shaking. I'm so nervous.

Like she, because she can't turn the, she's a great housewife because she doesn't ever turn the volume down. And is that the reason they can't see through it? They're like, oh, that's just a housewife, Renna? Consistency. Consistency. Consistency. Consistency.

Robs, did you catch that Moe-Due do a really sneaky character? He tried to bait Rina into co-signing a fallacy? Was this the mass color? Yes. Oh, yes. He did. Well, again, he's a well, he's well read. And she, and here's the thing.

I don't know if she even knew what he was trying to do. She was just so scared and overwhelmed that she was like, I just, oh, I, and the, the, I was like, this is really bad and hard to watch. So, yeah, I did. She seems like she's like a lot in her head, don't you think? Yes, and it's not good. I think her. And she's also, like I said, sleep deprived. Her and Candice are not playing a good game.

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When Candace said that she was friends with Tara because she uses her curling wand, I was like, ew, why are we doing her own hair on this show? That's horrible. I'll have to do their own hair. Yeah, that's, I love it. So she said that when Fadra was a traitor and they had to film more, that she said the craziest thing is she was always in full glam. Yeah.

So she must have slept in her makeup. Fadra was in full glam all season. Yeah, all the time. So we get to the actual. and it is Caroline herself. Dubai thought that the housewives would stick up for one another. No, it was the exact opposite, actually. And I do like this play.

Kristen is a perfect candidate for going long because she's never going to be outside of the first couple. If you're a fly on the wall and a low-key player, you need to get through the first two or three weeks and then you're good because the eliminations have to start being pointed after the first kind of random scaffold. The random rounds. Right.

Oh, we should start like, we got to be like, who are those how weirdos that do a podcast about a talk of roses? Yeah. Game of roses. We got to start. I got to write a book on this. We're going to call it the rando rounds. Yeah, the rando rounds.

If you can get through the rando rounds, you're good. So we get into some dumb clues. Tiffany and Durinda are cluing in on yam-am because he said, Ceremony. The, this is a,

a dumb clue. This is a dumb clue. Okay. Just do not. Don't target him because he said that. But we get to our various pods and the Bachelor archetype is taking root. Colton and his baby blue shiny tie wants to take a big swing. And he says, if I'm going to go out, I'm not going to go out like a bitch. Well, I think that's probably inevitable. I think Colton will probably go out, tear-soaked and bitchy if he is to go out. Well, think about this though. The counter is Tiffany who was going to make a big swing too tonight because she's the one both players have horrible instincts let's be clear yeah so Tiffany is 0 for three because her in line is Ron yam yam and then uh Michael Rappapaport and so Colton he's pissed because she's basically

he thinks she's trying to strategize too much he's going to take a swing who god knows who second in line for him was well it's so many dumb clues right so so Colton says because of the sequential certainty. She must be a traitor. Now, we talked about how, and in your talks with Chichelle, she kind of, she proved this that you can't say no one, but you also cannot say three people. That's like, it's just too, it's too much. In what world outside of you being a psychic, which we've seen before? You cannot just say three names. That's just, nuts of stuff. It's too much exposure. You're putting too much out there. Um, so Colton wants to take down Tiffany because she has that sequence of people. And Rob says, um, what Colton's doing is,

is smart, uh, which I disagree with. So, um, we get to the challenge and we're burning effigies. As Kate mentioned, a disgusting pagan mudbrained affair. That's, uh, her words not mine. And we pair up, Monet Duwe is not thrilled about Lisa being on. his team and he tells Candice that he is suspicious of Rina. The spidey sense is tingling. But Moedue has exquisite bone structure and a really, really good picker. Now, in this moment, I'm thinking the traders have a very, very short window to kill him. and they have to make sure that this does not spread through the house.

Because if it spreads through the house, then you can't do it. Then it looks too suspicious. So they were very fortunate to have gotten back from this challenge and have everybody flaming Ron and Tiffany. Because if Moe has a chance to start whispering about Rina, the window's close. You can't kill. You just can't kill.

So anyways, this challenge. T-Gas. Ribs, do you want to break down what this challenge was? I genuinely was getting a fucking snack. So no, I don't. I called everyone throwing things and I thought having to yell them

was very funny. I thought it was really hilarious when Tiffany was like, oh, no, they, like they bet whatever she said, I laughed out loud. That was hilarious. Remind me where either Kate or Ruby,

remind me where Tiffany comes from. What is her? Big brother. Big brother. And she was good on that? No? Not sure. Couldn't tell you.

We're not big brother. Probably if she's picked. But yeah, this was a little bit like the coffin flop challenge, Corn Cup TV, wherein you have to choose people to be up for elimination. Now, we get a whole slew of people that are up for elimination. It was weird that Alan was, it went through all the people that are going to be. Just tell us who gets the shields.

That's it. You're listening like 15 people. Ron and, excuse me, Tiffany, who states the obvious, says, someone took my shield, which makes me vulnerable to murder. And that's exactly right. Michael Rappaport is up next. He says, I'm going to be on the chopping block because I'm Michael Rappaport. And Rina and Candace chat.

She says Monet said your name. And this is where they've got to just snuff this out very quickly. Candice and Rina are not good enough to do that. So I think they just get lucky. This is where... I love that, like, just the idea of someone mentioning your name, like, throws them into a loop. Like, even when Mora found out her name was mentioned, she was like, wait, why? Right.

But by the way, you're playing a game show. Yeah. Exactly right, Kate. So this is where you think someone's good at this and then they can be thrown completely off by the emotion of anger. Tiffany, who I thought was composed, although her instincts are horrible, I still think she thought she'd make a good player until, so she has three names of people who she thinks she's going to go for, right? What does she do when she sees her shield taking away? She fucking goes for, who did she go for? She went for one person that wasn't even on that list.

Yeah. It was for like a housewife or something. I forget. But it wasn't, it wasn't Yam, Michael or Iran. Yeah, well, let's talk about yam yam for a second, who I love... By the way, his name's Jam Jam. Jam. Oh, sorry. Jim, Jim. Let's talk about Jam Jim for a second, who cries at the end of this challenge.

And that's just, we can't do this right? Yeah, but astute observers noted that it was probably fake tears. Was he faking? Well, uh, yeah, I think he was. Gay queen or not. We're adults here, right? We can't just cry. That's crazy.

Okay. I don't even let my kids cry about most things in mind. I mean, it's just nuts. be like, why are you crying? Pull yourself together. So a lot of hot gossip in the vans. Tiffany says that Ron has been mentioning her name. And Ron needs to just chill and adopt the Michael Rappaport method, which is just being composed and not screaming at people about how good looking you are. All right. So something interesting happens at the van that is a game tell.

And that is when this should be added to the player's guide of traders. When a player asks another player who they might vote for and their answer. is, I'm not sure yet. It means they're voting for you. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, that's what Trichelle said. If you're evasive, that's a red flag. Yeah. Well, Michael Rappaport unanimously loathed on this, on this show. And you can tell, I don't even think it's a bad edit. If someone, a grown-up human being, a grown adult, is shoveling food into their mouths like a six-year-old. Like a true barbarian. No, like he's in prison. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So you can't even blame the other. So universally disliked, he sure does get cast for a lot of stuff in the reality space. And he's often asked to be a talking head on watch what happens live, specifically in spaces about women's stories watched by women. But yet is respected and sufferable by some people in positions of power, which I still have not been able to understand. Ruby got the jeopardy answer wrong. What is insufferable? No, it's actually respected and welcome. All right.

So we get to our little quorum. Ron is on the hot seat, but Colton is gunning for Tiffany. And again, I'm thinking if Ron can just get out of this one, he can make it kind of far, but it's not looking good. Colton is spearheading this thing, which is a bad play. But Candace sticks up for Tiffany and tries to sway the vote back to Ron. Now, I'm of two minds here when you're a traitor. I kind of think let the faithfuls slaughter one another. But there's an interesting play here where I think Candice ingratiates herself a little bit to the faithfuls

by riding for Tiffany. She wouldn't do that otherwise. But she did this same schick for Mama Kelsey. It's getting old. Like why do you keep sticking up for these people? Mama Kelsey. Yeah, but people who are astute reality TV specifically, Real Housewives, specifically Real House was a Potomac.

observers would note that Candice would cries nonstop. What she does is she has this origami tissue and she lightly taps the corners of her eyeballs about the dumbest stuff. She's a he's a perennial cryer. Hmm. Interesting. See if I were in the game, I'd say it'd be like guys heads up canis cries by everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm actually dipping into Potomac this year. Um, that one woman who has the husband, in the NFL who hasn't. Angel. Angel. The one woman who, and her husband has not played. I looked him up. He's not played in like four years. She's one of the weirdest people I've ever seen on any housewife's franchise period.

She is so creepy. Are you watching the woman who has a wonderful house in Colorado, but decided to rent an Airbnb, Airbnb an hour and a half away from civilization? Right. But that's, running water. That scene where the men are in the Adirondacks, and they're not speaking to the women? Is they're interested? I mean, I was like, what fucking A-24 horror film are we in right now? God, that was so fucking weird. Is this on Potomac?

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah, I dip in it out. And it's important to note that Monique Samuels is, I think, the most beautiful person on planet Earth. Is she the English woman? Yeah. No, no, no.

She's married to Chris Samuels. She's beautiful. And the other woman, Stacy, he's very pretty, too. All right. So I want to say this. we saw like someone going hard. I want to apologize. That didn't need to be said.

We're not here to talk about how beautiful people are. We're here to talk about the traders. You know, I think they, and you know what? They would love it. They would love to hear that you have a big vet boner for them. There you go. I've seen his penis.

It's not that they're moderately sized. Women are okay about hearing that they're very attractive. We don't want to hear if you think that we look like dog meat. You know what kind of thing is that to say, you know? Oh, by the way. Dog meat. Quick recommendation only because people were asking on the Kate Casey Facebook group. His and hers is a good Netflix show.

It's six episodes. Tessa Thompson, you can't take your eyes off her and has the award for the most absurd twist ending out of any show I've seen in five years. Speaking of show, speaking of dog meat, I don't know if Kay Casey's watching Fallout, but the name of the dog in Fallout is actually Dog Meat. Oh, is it?

Yeah. Nice. My sister used to say that if I looked bad she looked bad. She would call a, Jose, it looks like dog meat, and that's why I carried that on. What the hell is even dog meat?

It just means like it's slop, like you look like shit. Oh, out. So we get to the deliberation. Hold on. Colm's pulling a Boston robber. She also said my,

if she sometimes would say your hair looks like a rat's nest. So we lived in a home that was full of joy and love and support. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. You get a tough skin with that kind of stuff. Yeah.

Kate's family's, sorry, Kate, kind of fucked up. So, uh, anyway. way, Colton's pulling a Boston Rob move here from last season, and we all know how that worked out. Yeah.

Even if you take Tiffany out, like, just the way that you're going about this. Then you got to come up with the next one. Then you got to come up with the next one. Yeah. Target on your back, Colton. So we get to the deliberation, and it is hot. Colton goes after Tiffany, and she's fucking pissed. Talk about composure.

I loved it. This is, it's not a great strategy to flip out. out at the roundtable. You got to keep it in the pocket a little bit. That's why I think Ron is really good at these roundtables. He's just like, do, do what you guys are going to do. Like, you can either exonerate me or kill me, but we got to move on from this. I'm good with whatever happens. Or I would have said, okay, you think I am, but have you thought about X, Y, Z? Like, what about them? But you're right. She, she internalized it too much. It's sort of like if a housewife is accused of having in their their spouse is having an affair or they're having an affair if they

immediately break down and cry. I'm like someone's sleeping around. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Oh, well, before we get there, Colton, before they get to like the voting thing, he goes, hey, Tiffany, do you have two Fs in your name? That was quite the power move. It will be short-lived. That's one. That's when I I thought, here's the thing with Colton. How do I put this? Yeah. People, and I think the people who listen to this podcast are outstanding investigators, astute observers.

They're magnificent assholes, too. You probably don't want to hang out with our listeners. Well, I want you to look at the history of Colton's relationships, and you will see that they were all very strategic. I think he is. a very strategic person. Yeah, he's evil, I think. Yeah, probably. I think he's quite evil. And not going to spoil anything, but the next roundtable is absolutely incredible. Did you watch it, Kate? I did, yeah. The next episode? Oh, my God. Let's say, let's say here. Okay, can I break down

the Eric thing? Yes. Oh, my God. The knock and Eric thing, please get to because I actually think that this was my favorite part. Mine too. So this is when Eric speaks up about... Of course it is because of you. Yeah. What he heard. Uh,

a laugh. Okay. And that laugh was Tiffany. And he says this because he's a musician who has composed thousands of songs. No one on this planet has ever heard. Hence why he's been referred to as a rando. And he also mentions that some podcaster named Pat has asked eight people who he is and has not found a single person who knows who the fuck this guy is. And can I just say that that's why,

that's why this guy is still random. Sorry. Anyway, he's fucking wrong. What you're, what you're forgetting is that Tiffany goes, Tiffany's like, you got to get a new career. Because it's, well, you know, I'm in this composer and I've got a great ear. And when she's like, you better get a new career. I was like, that was, I hope she gets infinite. You got really in the weeds with how you don't know who this guy is. Seal it for herself. But I wanted to get... But also I want to say, this is why you should be terrified if you're ever on trial with witnesses. He said he's 99% sure that this was her voice. Be terrified if you

ever go on trial for murder. I don't plan on it. Me either. He's an expert, too, by the way. He would 100% be considered an expert. He listens to this. He's produced 100,000 songs you never heard of. You'd go to jail and you would be. be you'd be euthanized. Yeah, you'd be like, well, don't kill me though. Have you heard Tiffany laugh one time on the show? No. No.

See, when that was for me, if I was sitting there, or if I were Tiffany, when he said that, I would have said, have I laughed one time on the show? Yeah, I'm not having a joyous experience on the show. This is not joyful. Here's what he heard. Off in the distance, Ron was talking and a production assistant while drinking coffee laughed out loud. He heard Candice. He heard Candice laughing. So we get to the votes and Tiffany, Tiffany needs to go. Now,

the reason why Tiffany needs to go is because she's, she's revealed herself to be a very bad player. One, she came out way too hot, naming too many people, saddling up next to Michael Rappaport, just all bad plays. But when you get to the vote, you can really tell when somebody just has not, just does not know what's going on. Tiffany knows that she's about to split votes with Ron Funches and she votes for Jam Jam. Now it was, it was much more one-sided than we thought it was going to be,

but that vote, your animosity towards Jam Jam, could have been the tying break that sends you home. That saved you another day to fight. You have to vote with the pod. You can't, just throw one-liners out there. It's just ridiculous. Rubes, any thoughts on that? You'd seem like you were champ in a little bit. No, I was going to agree with you. I think that when you're at,

when you're under this type of little scrutiny and people are starting to build a little mountain out of hue as a molehill, you just, you get back in the pod and you don't say a word and you just say, I agree. And then they forget about you. Right. So Tiff goes down in flames and it looks like the clue from Eric is the thing that took it over the edge. Um, Michael Rappaport, I believe, says there's ringleaders in here and there's not ring leaders in here. Thank you, Michael Rapaport. Yeah, he's so brilliant. Colton is not going to back down.

And Candice says that this is taking a toll on her. L.O.L. Candice. Is Candice capable of feeling empathy for other people? I'm not really sure. No. No, right? Hey, Kate, is she still with that jailbird? She's with her husband.

Well, yeah. Chris. Yeah. They have a baby now. Oh, nice. Which is, when you go back in the history, there's Ashley, and Ashley had two kids, and she made some comment when Ashley had just given birth to her, maybe their second child, calling her pretty, she called her wide. Oh.

And the people went crazy because Candace is itty-bitty. And they, of course, were like, well, wait until you have a baby. You're going to see how hard it is. So she's just had a baby, and I always have wondered the dynamics between all of the other women. and Candace. Like, did she realize what an absolutely terribly mean thing

that was to St. Ashley? I'm in, and I don't know. You two are more hip to the housewives lore than the two of us are. I mean, well, Patty is pretty, anyways,

is Candice a top three most vile person in housewives? No, absolutely not. No. Not even in the top 10 or 20. No, no. Ruby.

I think Candid, Candice is just the very cutting. Like as a human being, I think that Candace probably like has good values and like champions things that we believe in. But when she looks at people and like when she looked at Monique and said drag me, Monique, drag me. Versus, you know, Ramona Singer on Black Shabbat.

They're just different. But Candice is she's able to look at people and be like, oh, I will make you want to end your life today. And you'll and you didn't even know you were showing up for it. And that's a skill that not everybody possesses. But also she's super sensitive too. So that's annoying. Like, well, her mom is.

With the, with the dabbing the eyes all the time. Yep. Yeah. All right. So we end the episode in the turret. And it's insane to me that there's any deliberation whatsoever. It's Monet. Right.

Go get Monet. They make it look like it's going to be Tara. No. There's one choice. It's Monet. Do it before the wildfire spreads. By the way, small request. Her partner there, that they're hiding the fact that they're both

I can never remember his name. I think it's John. He looks like Pee Wee Herman. Can we just call him Peeway? Yeah, we can call him Peewee. Thanks. Okay. Get in the comments. Let us know what you thought about the episode. Go about the episode. Um, I mean, how many freaking episodes a day are you putting out, Kate? I do six episodes a week. My God. Six episodes a week. Go over there. Listen, five stars kind of work. Hey, Kate, do you want to do an episode of Traders Recap on your show? Yeah. All right. I do. Cool. Next week, Amanda Knox in my show too. Okay.

Go check that out. We love you guys for listening. I'm Dylan saying goodbye. Pat say goodbye. Later, dudes. Ruby. Bye, bye, bye. Kate.

Bye. Bye.