Another Below Deck Podcast - Tamra Judge: The Worst of All Time | RHOC S19 Finale

Episode Date: November 5, 2025

Dylan and Pat are back to break down house tours, space cakes, Instagram likes, Tamra Judge being the worst housewife of all time and more from Bravo's RHOC.PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/anotherpodcastnetwork  YOUTUBE: https://www.youtube.com/@badtvpod  INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/badtvpodcast/?hl=en

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GP who connected me with a health coach for my sleep and diet and a psychologist for support. I was so relieved to have all these services in arms reach. VHI, because your health means everything. I really believe that Tamerat, when she's off this show, we're going to hear bad things about what happened to her. Because she's lived an extremely awful life for a fourth of her life. If you're not talking to one of your daughters and then your other son is a fucking jerk-off loser, woman abuser as well.

Loser. And then all you've ever done to give the world is just being a completely negative, horrible person. like what is your legacy what are you happy because a bunch of fucking people at bravocon want to shake your hand she's a crow I don't mean to insult crows like that but that's her legacy

just goddamn bird flies around shits on people and dies sorry I'm tongue tied because I hate her so much this episode does to people Hi, hello, and welcome to another brand spanky new episode of BAD TV. We're here to talk about Amsterdam.

We're here to talk about Orange County. Mm-hmm. And just that. You know, I wish for Tamara to be ripped apart like the children ripped apart that witch and weapons. I really do. They tore apart her head. I know. I know.

Well, that, maybe not that. But kind of like, that's a little too gruesome. I don't wish that for Tamara, but I do wish for all the women to be snapped out of the spell and to turn on her. This is... Well, they kind of did it at the tail end of this episode. We'll see you at the reunion.

We'll see it at the reunion. But I'm Dylan. That's Buzzball, Pat. Buzzball Friday. And Kaelin is joining us as well. Hello, Kailen. Hello. Ruby is headed up the coast, going to Santa Barbara for, you know.

Enjoying life. Who is she, you know? This girl lives. a life like Emilio Estabez or something. Wow. Just a great life. Good pick. Yeah.

So we're in Amsterdam, day four and five of this season finale journey. This is the last episode of the season. Pat, how many tits do you give it? All right. So this is interesting. Tamrat pulled off a major kill.

Oh, yeah. Okay. It takes, because remember it was, uh, uh, disclosed to us in this episode that Tamrat had been sitting on this information for a full year. She's a disgusting human being. For a full year, plotting and planning, realizing that meatball is the best person to, that she could, uh, get to question.

I mean, she basically played all the, hands. Yeah, I love how Tamara went to therapy for her autism and she's just worse than she's ever been. She's just worse than she's ever been. And we'll get to the conflict at the end, but when it's divulged that she knows, she's known this for a year and Bador goes, why didn't you say anything? She just, she goes, are you defending her? I mean, just the sloppiest psychological warfare that seems to work on these women somehow. You know, that's what, that's what I'll hall and uh and orange county sunshine does to you this is why we need ruby here because i do want to also question uh heather de bros reaction to it i okay um people say things politically that i disagree with

that i'm offended by quite a bit i felt like her reaction well maybe she was just hearing it you let us know in the comments if oh you don't disagree with old pat you know what i felt like it i i understand this is a very sensitive topic and if your children are being involved it's it's very very uh it can be very triggering. Heather DeBrow's reaction to this was fucking unhinged and unacceptable. Okay. Okay.

Hammed up to the gills. I felt like if this is your friend, and again, I've heard people say things that I are absolutely wild. Pat and I disagree about stuff all the time. I talk about freaking taking goddamn oligarchs out and he's like,

my God, I'm sitting across from a communist. Right. Now, to be fair, I have not seen the post, so they could be horrific. I don't know what she was like. Right. So I'll put that out there.

Oh, yeah. That's a good point. Okay. But anyway, this was crazy that Tamrat had... Because there's some pretty brutal stuff on the internet. I also... I mean, we saw a video the other day celebrating the 55th birthday of George Floyd or something from that, you know, and the guy was like, I'm going to make his favorite sandwich

and he fucking slammed his knee on a mayonnaise sandwich. It's like, how is this... allowed on, listen, we want to be in a free country. We want to be free state. Anyways, there's a lot of gross shit out there online, so we don't know what the posts were. And we don't know what the truth is. Okay. I lost my train of thought.

Yeah, sorry. I don't know why I brought that up. It's just, that's a gross thing to bring up. I'm sorry. I'm really sorry. Yeah. I wish I had Ruby was not here. Yeah, Ruby would have been, yeah.

Yeah, it would have been good if Ruby was here. Um, God, I actually. really lost my train of thought we were talking about the instagram post we were talking about you and i disagree a lot people have said things that you're like whoa you don't get to a torqued-up spot the way that uh hather de brough did and i'm i'm gonna stop now i can't help you that's right yeah it's right no it is right i can't help you anymore oh no i lost it again god damn it Anyway, this was a weird way to end a season. Oh, I know what I was going to say.

Okay, at the tail end of the episode, when they go one week later, we had been fed this information about these posts before the season started too. Oh, yeah. We were all part of this. It's a leaky ship. The leaky ship of Tamrat. We were given this information. Oh, the season is going to end with a big bang with Gretchen.

Because I was starting to like Gretchen at the beginning of the season, which a lot of people hate her. and then I was told that there were a bunch of posts that are crazy that she was liking and following a bunch of accounts. And I was like, it did affect my recaps of the podcast. So Tamrat had put that out there. Yeah, Tamrat's a disgusting piece of shit. How many tips do you give the episode? Hold on.

Do you think she comes back for season 20? Yeah, I think she does. And I don't know if I could do it. This, this episode was pretty dark. Yeah, I think unless, unless this cast gets a pretty sizable revamp and Tamara's gone, I cannot watch Tamara every week. Yeah. There's no, it's not good for anybody.

Like Salt Lake City rides this line where it's really fun where they engage in doing horrible things, but somehow it's very, very entertaining and funny and I don't feel as gross as I do. Yeah. Leaving watching an episode of Orange County. You know, we started watching. And my wife was like, Orange County should be embarrassed that they're in the same, they're under the same umbrella as Salt Lake City. I agree.

They should be fucking embarrassed. 14 oranges. I go 14 oranges too. Not great. All right. Let's get into it. Do we have reeds? Yeah.

Both? Mm-hmm. Okay. All right. So Amsterdam D. We face time with Slade and a cowboy hat. um he's she says uh are you going to go to a rodeo and he says no when you get back here you're going to be going to a rodeo um this the second time slate has done this in like four

episodes um it's like you know i don't i don't mean to use like the young the youngans parlance but like it's weird for human beings to be this mid like he's just so fucking mid like you go back to this this many times there's uh there's a word for it uh he's basic Yeah, he's basic. Yeah, the kids used to say that. Yeah, he also has to correct her because she used the word. Did you hear, I know we got to speed this up, but did you hear the Dictionary.com's word of the year is six, seven?

How could that happen? I, listen, I don't want to... In 2020, it was a narcissist. What? The word most used is, I assume that's what the... No, no. No, the year, the word of the year, they need. nominate like the word of the year like the year that kind of like crystallized our culture oh

like it was riz last year oh and now it's six seven and it's what the kids say to confuse adults what what's it mean it doesn't mean anything oh so i just want to say to the people over at dictionary uh com put your macha down this is not ticot okay you're the dictionary I don't want to sound like Clint Eastwood, you know, going, I don't like SNL. It was better when there were more white people on it, you know? I remember when he said that. I was like, that's crazy, right? Yeah.

He was talking about Cherry. He was like, and SNL too, everybody looks like you. It's horrible now. But 6.7 coming from Dictionary.com, it's like, fuck off. You know, a good word that is created by young people is enduring. dude dude that word

is still used 40 years later no one will say 6, 7 40 years later okay I'll tell you a word that didn't work people used to go dude you're being agro right now

they put it after dude agro doesn't exist anymore bozo that's a great word I love bozo I love bozo okay so trauma grief and pain or nonlinear

this is her speaking of leave crazy wasted and I'm not taking away her pain or anything but there's something very cringy about any of these women talking about non-linear pain so emily is having luke problems emily is away on another vacation and her son um who is having all sorts of learning disabilities is throwing a fit i want to talk about this all right so what she's addressing is that uh shane had a and i've been there uh my wife is on a business trip and i have the two fucking crum crunchers i'm stressed but i i never quote unquote loses like Shane did.

Yeah. I don't even know what lose it means. And you don't make your partner feel guilty for traveling. He's a total loser. Well, I think Emily is too because like if you are this concerned about your child, I understand that the real housewives afford you a lot of flexibility and you are around all the time.

But like if you can't handle it, and maybe this is my bias just because I want her off the show so badly, but like if you can't handle being away from your child and you have to go film and sleep over at Debrose House and go to Amsterdam for five days, then don't be on the show. I agree. You know, choose a different path if you're this concern. I think what happened, by the way, I think Shane threw Luke out of the second story window. Yeah, I think that's probably something like that what happened.

But also like Heather or Emily, I think that we've got a real parenting imbalance right now because you didn't know that your child was sling blade illiterate until he was in the fourth grade, right? So maybe pay closer attention, right? Get a fucking jewelers loop out and get off the fucking show. Don't let foot pain or discomfort hold you back. At foot Solutions, we specialize in high-quality supportive footwear. And use the latest scanning technology to custom-make orthotics, designed for your unique feet.

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who connected me with a health coach for my sleep and diet and a psychologist for support I was so relieved to have all these services in arms reach VHI because your health means everything. Amsterdam Bedore is back. She's eating crumpets again, and the ladies are talking about Shannon and her spanks.

Now, we actually have some quasi-futney talking about. It was pretty funny. Yeah, Tamara says that Shannon is squeezed out of her casing, like processed pork. And it's mean, but I'm starved for some kind of like genuine humor here. A little shit talking of a friend that's not there. I do want to defend Emily on this. It was a generalized also conversation about people in Spanx. Yes.

And Gretchen, shame on you for feeding this information for some last minute drama. I'm saying, like they're all gross. Yes. Like, we understand now it used to be more casually like information would be given passed on. Yeah. Now it's just like overt. Like meatball sitting at a table going so. Yeah.

We know what you're doing. Can we have some kind of softening of this delivery? try to seem it into some kind of narrative. Please, God, we swing on swings. Okay, so we have two destinations for the day. One is a swing from a very, very tall building, and the other is a maze for stoners. Right.

We could have just, we didn't have to fly 17 hours. We could have just gone to fucking Vegas for this bullshit. Well, also, we get a weird ADR from Jen when she's swinging over. of the thing, she's like, stop it, stop it. Why did we record that and then put that in the show? This show just makes some really bizarre decisions. But the other ladies, Bedore Meatball and Shannon, or excuse me, Dubro Meatball and Shannon,

go to an empty rave in the middle of the day and order water. Now Shannon is hearing drums and everyone... Hold on. Shannon Bador does not order water. She orders a vodka soda. No, she orders a water. No, she ordered a vodka. Soda. Get in the comments, let us know.

Yes, because that's what we all do at 10 a.m. In the morning. You fucking drunk. Class A drunk. World-class drunk right there. Whoa. 10 out of 10. Whoa.

I think she ordered a water. Okay. Well, she is fucked up. Can I just say some straight white men should not be commenting on women's looks. And we touched on this last week. The audience knows this. Well, we're gay. That's right.

Whoever sprayed that gloss for their interviews, I have a very high-deaf television, so I see all of it. Yeah. The ladies' chest and necks look like stale glazed donuts. It is disgusting. It's gross. Fire that person. That was dumb.

Yeah. Zero points. I'm gay. Oh, yeah. Our favorite food is cock. And that's why we can speak like that. That's right. Yeah.

That's right. So Shannon is hearing drums. Everyone's laughing at me. I must be tripping. The rave turns out to be a trippy maze, actually, and actually not trippy, but actually fucking horrifying and not okay at all. I don't want this at all when I'm stoned. So Gretchen and Tamara bond over cancer.

And what happened with her first husband, Jeff, who I think she cheated on and stole all of his money. Went up to Bass Lake. Okay. That's right. I got it. It was really sad. He gave her a pink motorcycle on the final episode.

Uh-huh. And then he rolled a seven. Yeah. He perished. Well, she was banging some really good-looking guy named Steve in Bass Lake. Yep. Because that's how we should all go out. Yep.

Did you hear that joke about Steve the grasshopper? Mm-mm. Oh, Grasshopper walks into a bar. He goes, hey, how you doing? Bartender goes, oh, it's the craziest thing. We got a drink named after you. He goes, you have a drink named Steve? Okay, they ask AI for a friendship contract.

Okay, which will be signed with invisible. link yeah yeah yeah yeah just i don't know and we should put a counter on this but um yeah tamara is a rat face fuck she is a disgusting you people she's a do we understand this okay and i'm gonna say some i hate her her son ryan is a fucking loser who hates trans people oh does he okay of course okay he is disgusting and i love tam rat riding on that tam rat you know you voted for fucking Trump. If we're going to go down and I don't care. You know what? Hang on a second. We cannot be all fucking pearl clutching disgusted by what Gretchen did when you all voted for somebody who has clear animus towards this group. I'm sorry. I brought this up. But but but genuinely it

pisses me off the fucking hypocrisy of these women. Emily full blown maga just like I can't believe you would do that. I can't believe you would do that. all of these people. Fuck everybody. God damn it. No politics. Sorry, I brought you there.

I brought you there. That was my fault. That was my fault. I'm going to own that. Anyway. You know the Department of Agriculture right now? Says the Democrats are shutting down the... The Department of Agriculture.

The Department of Agriculture has fucking political burns on it right now. The minutes after signing this friendship contract. Tamrat pulls aside Meatball and she starts going they're basically discussing the timing of dropping this bomb Tara is like all right meatball get over here, get over here, get over here.

So we sign that contract, that fucking bullshit contract I want to fucking slit her throat the entire time we're doing that. So when are we going to do this? Okay, no, no, no. This is the perfect timing. We go through tomorrow. We're not doing this tonight.

We're going to go bike riding tomorrow. We're going to have fun, okay? At dinner, that's when you draw this one. No, no, no. In the morning before we get on the flight, Right. Meatball jumps the gun. She did. Because I think Tamrat wanted Gretchen have to sit on that plane and marinate in...

Exactly. And that's bad producing, right? So she's like not even good at making the show accurate and disgusting. So always remember the dot in your ear is what Heather DeBro's father told her when he was... Deadbeat Dad. you know we got to zero in on this he wasn't a deadbeat dad he was an absentee father okay um cry me a goddamn river i didn't talk to my dad for 17 fucking years yeah yeah okay because of him not because of me right i talked to his mother my grammy he wouldn't pick up the phone i'd get a christmas card every once in

a while with yeah thanks dad um but uh this is crazy because her and emily i mean this was like something spiritual a moment in time because they're talking outside of her dad's or her former home and the gods must have men or maybe her daddy was around in the sky because the guy who owns the house walks outside of the house and they think it's it was spiritual it was it was meant to be because of that to go in and actually see the house again not because they went on redfin and found the owner or they were six inches away from his front window with a full production crew for an hour right but i don't think it was that i think it actually he knows the gods yeah so um we go on another tour but before we go on said tour let's take a quick break to talk about some amazing sponsors of this

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So we go on the tour of the home. Now, the last tour we went on in the housewives was not a good one on account of... Sutton? Yeah, we saw some crystallized and fossilized brain matter. Well, yeah, the problem is, yeah, it was Sutton's childhood home. and the new homeowners were so happy to invite them in. And they had a Christmas tree up. And that's when they learned that that's where Sutton's dad had unfortunately blown his head off.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Oh, wow. So Debrough, this one is a little cheerier. She goes in and begins to say, you haven't changed anything. And the place has been gutted. It looks completely different. The wallpaper is different. She commented that the wallpaper was the same.

It was actually very different. Yeah, it was insane. Did they do that to her intentionally? I don't know. but she says it's beshirt, it's beshirt. And a couple of things, the pouring of the ashes is actually really sweet. And also, we learn she's been very rich for a very long time. That was, that was the one thing I took away from this. Like, oh, it wasn't marrying into money. This is a multi-million dollar brownstone right on the canal in Amsterdam. It was crazy. And you'd have no idea by just looking at

that little black door. Yep. You ring it. It's like 19 room. It's got a beautiful backyard. It's like an insane Greenwich Village brownstone. Wowza. Yeah. I love Jean-Pierre. He was a really nice guy. By the way, I think she originally asked if she could drop dad's ashes, like in the

refrigerator or like the dining room, but she settled for that filthy river. Yeah. And Emily sat alongside all the way. Now, we get to a meal and a dinner. And before dinner, Ryan says something tiny and horny. And then we get there. Okay. Is that a white fish?

Okay. Is that white fish? Okay. I want to talk about Ryan for a second. Yeah. Okay. Jen calls him and he tells her how hot she is. And I cannot wait till she kicks this fucking phony to the curb.

He is, I guarantee he's taking some of her real housewife's money. All of it. All of it. Honey, I got to go play fucking Baccarat with this shit. I hate him. Shohi Otanis. How do you say Shohay Otani? No clue.

Are they going to lose? Oh, yeah. Is that tonight? Yep. Oh, right during Halloween. Yeah, I think... A lot of sad kids. I think if we win tonight, we'll win.

But I don't think we're going to win tonight. No, if they're tied. I think they're going to beat the shit out of us tonight. Okay. Anyway, it makes me very sad. Multiple women order the pumpkin ravioli, which is disgusting. I've had it. It's pretty good.

No, it's not. I don't like autumn raviolis. There are so many raviolis that are elite, okay? Give me a four cheese, a ricotta and spinach. There are, put a ragu in that. When you start putting squash and sage, it gets too sweet and gummy and gross. I will say this. By the third one, you're kind of over it. You get palate fatigue instantaneously, right? Now, the good news with the racket of fresh made pasta in Los Angeles is that, you only get six of them. So you can power through and the dish cost you $62. I wish there was six.

There's only four. There's no bigger racket than pasta in this city right now. The cheapest ingredients ever. Egg, wheat and, egg and flour. And they're like, this is going to be, this is scratch made.

So it's going to be $72. It's rabbit, Regul. I don't want rabbit. And let me speak to pizza people. Roundtable, you think you're going to charge me $35 fucking dollars for a pie? Go fuck yourself.

And thank God. you only lasted six months. Domino's is the only acceptable pizza to order in Los Angeles. You were you, Papa Johns? If you want to get Papa Johns, you can. But what's happening in the city, and I know we need to move on, is there have been these pizza Nazis have flown in, okay? And now you want to get two pizzas.

And I'm not being hyperbolic at all. You want to get two pizzas in a salad. It's going to cost you $115. Mm-hmm. Pizza. Pizza. I worked in a pizza place. A pizza can be made good for $6.

Oh, yeah. Fucking bullshit. All right, DeBrow lets everyone know about her lovely day, and Storms quickly moves on to the women calling her biscuits. Sorry. So Gretchen is really quite vile. Party foul, Grat. She is the one that back-channeled this to Storms-Badour.

Now, Emily really ramps up very quickly. And she does. Defends herself for saying the gross things about how Shannon looks like, you know, a Pillsbury product that freshly exploded. And it's funny coming from Emily who had a full-blown panic attack last year. When Heather DeBrow gave her medium jeans. Right, exactly. So we move on.

Sharon is- Well, I was going to say, Heather to bro, I'm sorry, Shannon Boodler walks up from the table. Did you see the tag on her sweater? Class A drunk hat. Like, just you're on something because you're not paying attention to details. Yeah. Can I tell you something? Yes. I'm over it.

You're over it too. The only time I want to know about Shannon Madore moving forward. And I love Shannon Bador. It's just I have fatigue. She's like those autumn raviolis. I don't want anymore. No, no. And also.

I want to see her stealing from a boutique at 3 o'clock in the afternoon blackout drunk. And I'm pretty confident that will happen. when they go bike riding i was like oh gee i wonder who's going to fall off the bike yeah so next day let's go shopping um we get to steeglets we go to steeglets and um heather says she doesn't like the way she looks now shame texted some picks of luke oh yeah thankfully he's okay now but the marriage isn't no it's not if they spend more than two minutes on luke not wanting to eat french fries because his mother ate them all on that reunion. I'm fucking fast-forwarding.

Because we know that's what happened. Luke, why won't eat any French fries? Which French fries? God damn. I hate her. That's kind of brutal what you did there, but that's why people come to listen to this podcast. We're disgusting people.

No, no, no. My wife said that joke. I didn't attribute it to her. Okay. All right. so um not sure if i missed something can we get to the waffles uh well um we do two things we have the bike ride which shanna bador falls down and then we have the waffle making uh where hd tells the girls uh they should end uh this trip on a high note i think she had no idea where

that was going to go mm-hmm and we should really quickly say that the only reason that luke is doing better is because shane threw an ipad at him all right so we get a point cookie rich cookie conversation it's all stupid class shit with heather de bro and it's fucking annoying now what's the thing um from shake and bake she goes she goes what's the thing from shake and bake i helped are you talking about talladay good nights heather de bro i think so yeah get the fucking pill balance down emily sloppers the waffle all over the ground and then we get to a picnic and we're really proud of jen for not posting ryan's daily ashton hall routine anymore. Her IG game is like elevating itself. Yeah, she's posting a workout videos of herself

and not her and Ryan. And she's looking pretty hot. I got to tell you. Yeah, no, she's obsessed with her body and working out. Now, we talk about Brian's very colorful past and the ladies want Jen to establish herself financially independent. And to that I would say, I don't know how old Jen is. She's very beautiful, but she's old enough to know that the souffle is cooked. Her modus operandi, and I is finding a made to take care of her. Now, we get to dinner, and Shannon gets glam and pretends that she doesn't drink at 10 a.m. And then Gina burns her own hair with a flattening iron. Now, we all dawn season finale looks, and we sit down to a meal, one last meal with one another.

Okay, so this is crazy timing. Now, Dylan, I've been a fan of O.C. since its inception. They always play the music. It's been the same music, the outro. of and then the kairon shows up to give us a little like information on where the cast stands out. This came in the middle of the episode. It was crazy. Yeah.

Yeah. But this was famously in Gretchen's first season. They're at a party outside on the water in Orange County. And there's a beautiful pink bike that Gretchen's fiance had delivered a motorcycle to the party. And she goes and checks it out, gets on it. And then the Kiron comes up saying, Jeff Pass. That's fucked up. That's sad.

Right. Now, we order some food, and while we're ordering Tamrat, fucking disgusting, sniveling pig Tamrat starts talking about how she used to have mites in her pubs. Obviously, you're a goddamn petri dish of everything that's wrong with this world. I really believe that Tamrat, when she's off this show, we're going to hear bad things about what happened to her because she's lived a extremely awful life for a fourth of her life.

If you're not talking to one of your daughters and then your other son is a fucking jerk off loser, woman abuser as well. Loser. And then all you've ever done to give the world is just being a completely negative, horrible person. Like, what is your legacy? What are you happy because a bunch of fucking people at BravoCon want to shake your hand? It's really pathetic.

She's a crow. I don't mean to insult crows like that, but that's for her legacy. She's a goddamn bird flies around shits on people and dies. Sorry. I'm tongue-tied because I hate her so much. This is what this episode does to people. Like, I don't like it. All right.

Now, we get Chiron's 35 minutes in. Great Chiron for Heather. They sold their home finally at a 5.8 million. took a $6 million hit. Josh Altman. Well done. Well done, buddy. Thank you for your service. We really appreciate you because while the Debrose are rich, $6 million hurts a bit. That stinks. I know that stings. And it makes me so fucking happy because you're such an elitist. You're such a pretentious condescending wealth-obsessed person. Also dumb. Ryan and Jen aren't married. And Dawson passed out once again.

There's something that tells me Dawson is not going to the front lines. Although, I don't know. Pete Heggseth said everybody's fat and gay in the military. So we may need Dawson. We're in the trenches. And we're like, I don't know who we're fighting somebody. The crowds.

I go, all right, Dawson. And three, two, one, we're going to jump out of this trench and I'm going to fucking move forward. All right, ready to go. Three, two, what? Hey, what? Are you fucking sleeping? What the fuck?

He starts fucking seizing on the ground. like, well, you can't take this guy anywhere. You know what I do? I pick his body up and I use it as a shield. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's dangerous. So then we get to the bomb drop meatball. This has just been weighing on her. And this got sent through I-Heart. There's evidently a rag that I-heart sends through. Now, Heather DeBrow goes off. And Jen asks if Gretchen approaches this biblically. And Heather DeBrow starts screaming at Jen for asking, this question as though it doesn't matter if it goes where it comes from. Jen is just trying to get more info.

Jen is my favorite person on the show. She's still a human being. She has not been overtaken by the grossness of being on television. And we should say like if you like, if you hate trans people, you're a fucking piece of shit, okay? But like, again, Heather's Debrose Reaction. to this whole thing, not knowing what this is. She just lost the plot a little bit.

And again, we don't know what the posts were. I have to dig further. I want to know if Heather Debrough was tipped off earlier. I felt at some points in this that she was being very performative. Yeah. She was back on that sitcom that she was on for two days. It was two episodes, to be fair. Malibu County, 2016.

She did great. Malibu County. Tamara knew about this for a year. And when Bador asks, why didn't you tell anybody? She goes, well, because I'm always the bad guy. And that's why I couldn't bring it up. But sorry, why are you asking me that? Are you defending her?

You would think that Tamara would bring this up earlier. And then we start to really lose our minds. Now, again, we don't know how gross the posts were. but how these women treat Gretchen in this moment was like Lord of the Flies on steroids. Yeah, I agree. Jen was the only one who wanted understanding. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So first, Tamara says, Tamara and Emily do this thing where they, so Tamara and Emily to pick up the mantle and tell Gretchen how she should be acting right now.

So Tamara says if I was accused of being a homophobic bitch, I would be a little bit more upset. Cut to Tamrat calling Slade an F in 2008. And that's clearly not the first time that's come out of her. No, because this is who she is. All right. Emily says you should be crying and screaming. And if I was you, I would have reached across the table. Okay, Emily, you're not, she's not you and you're not her.

So people behave differently. By the way, Dylan and I, when we say this, we're not defending what Gretchen did. We're saying that as human beings who are supposed friends, it feels like a disgusting pile on. We just don't know if Gretchen did anything. That's right. You're all on your high horses before this is cleared up. Yeah, Gretchen to me, I think probably no one is more disgusting than Tamara, okay? because I think that Gretchen probably all of these women are the same.

Maybe Meatball is a little bit different. They're all conservative people who will entertain this community. Heather's a little bit different because it's in her family. But they'll all entertain this community because they're in front of the lenses and they're on Bravo and all this stuff. But if you really ask them what they think, they probably will a sliding scale of like I disagree with the way they live their life or let them eat cake they're going to pay for it eternally.

Right. You know, so anyways, sorry. It's turned to me dark. No, no, I think it's a real conversation. It's fine. We're a funny show. But I think that this episode was really, I didn't like it because that's what this show has become. It's just ugliness.

Yeah. It's like, let's destroy this person. It's not even fun. It's over such a disgusting thing. But we get to this judgment of her response. And Jen says you can't call Slade in this moment. It's like, why can't she call her husband? She's being attacked by all of you. Like, this arbitrary judgment of how she's handling it is so crazy. And then the women are saying that you have to defend this and that she's not meeting their standard of defense. Now, when we go up, outside, she finally does get emotional about it and starts screaming that this is not her. And then we move the goalpost to, you have to prove that this is not you. And when she says, I don't know how to do that, they close the door on her. Well, they say you can't come in this car with us. They close the van door and go figure it out. It's like, ugh, your skin is just crawling after this. But we get to the next morning and all of a sudden, we've pulled a reverse, of fortune and uh-oh uno back to you mo imagine tamrak going to bed that night like this is game of thrones she's always hated gretchen um she didn't destroy alexis belino last season i believe that was

shannon bador that iced her out of that yeah but these are these returning people that are in the rearview mirror that somehow bravo convinces to come back or they want to come back yeah and then they we have to deal with them one last time before they're ashes gretchen was made ashes at this dinner. And I bet she really fucking regretted signing on to another season. Yeah. And then Shannon, I'm sorry,

Tamara goes to bed thinking the job, well done. I bet she doesn't even show up at the reunion. Next morning, Meatball, Emily, and I've... And Debrough.

I don't think... Debrough feels bad about the way that she handled it. She did. Okay. They all feel horrible about the way they handled it. And Tamara is looking around. going, what the fuck? I thought we were all on board that we were going to mercilessly ridicule this woman over my factoids. And when Gina goes, it's just weird that all this stuff

eventually gets back to you. Tamara unloads and makes herself the victim once again. Now, the way that Padour iced out Alexis Bolino, I'm good with because it's not a calculated thing. She just goes, I don't fucking like you. You're a bitch. You're a low rung housewife. And I don't want you around. And any parties or trips I am in charge of. You're not there. That's fine. What Tamara does is digs up information, sits on it, coordinates the drop of them, leaks info to bloggers. She is just a surreptitious gross. And then as horse is so dead. And then as we find out at the reunion, some of these things may lead back to Tamrat. Yes. So do you want to get to the bomb dropping a week?

Oh, yeah, bomb dropping. By the way, again, I said at the top of the show, we were part of this. We were get fed this information that week at the beginning of this season. We knew basically how the season was going to roll. Katie would be gone. A lot of this stuff. Yeah. So she's evidently speaking to anonymous or a Ukrainian hacker or something about all this shit.

And we'll find out more at the reunion. But Tamara has been leaking every single. benchmark moment or all of these chapters of the season this guy knows about two months before the premiere. So this is going to need to be addressed and Andy's got to do the right thing. Fire her. Fire her. Because that's like Andy's good with a lot of stuff. If Tamara's just dark and messy and bean, you can stay on. If you're leaking production stuff consistently, that's like you're running a foul of the network that's not okay you got to fire yeah we're not allowed to talk about stuff we don't no and we don't so anyways uh sorry if this episode was too

agro yeah reunion should be fun get in the comments let us know we thought about the episode do you do you like it i'm dylan saying goodbye pat say goodbye later news You know, I'm sorry.