Another Below Deck Podcast - The Devil Herself | Below Deck S1 E6 w. Adrienne Gang

Episode Date: December 29, 2025

Dylan and Pat are back to break down being mean, pitching Below Deck, pills, Captain Lee's best friends, charities, hurricanes and more with Chief Stew Adrienne. PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/anotherpodcastnetwork  YOUTUBE: https://www.youtube.com/@badtvpod  INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/badtvpodcast/?hl=en

Welcome aboard, another brand spanking new episode of the Patreon exclusive recap of the first season of Below Deck O.G. The Maiden Voyage. I'm Dylan. Settled up next to one, Patrick Hickey. Great to be here. And joining us today, quite a character in the tapestry of Below Deck, an integral character to season one. It is the devil herself, Chiefs, to Adrian. How are you? I'm excellent, guys. How are you doing? Doing good. Now you mentioned that because the episode title was that I believe I'm bunking with the devil or something like that? I don't know, Adrian. I would never call her the devil, okay?

I know Culver, I don't quite call him the devil either. Now, he's a doucheback. What we're trying to say is, or what I'm trying to say is, I appreciate you coming on the show because you had a tough edit. You had a tough, I don't know, it was the first season of this reality television show. It was 10 years ago. You've likely changed quite a bit, but we're going, to go through, you know, maybe a stressful and toxic time in your life. So I appreciate

you coming on and talking about it. No worries. I think for what it's worse, everybody lives and learns. Being able to watch yourself on TV is a bit of a learning curve. And I think, especially for what we dealt with season one, we were guinea pigs. You know, we didn't have a format set ahead of us for what this was going to be or what it was going to look like. And quite honestly, I thought the entire time that we were filming that the very last day they were going to shut off the cameras and say, surprise, it was all a joke because I couldn't fucking believe that this is what was happening in my life. Like, it just didn't make any sense from start to finish. So, look, I'm good with it.

Here's where the good cop comes in, which I'm always a good cop. I want to let the audience know all you judgy bastards out there. And Dylan and I are judgy bastards to a certain degree. We get paid. It's a great point. But 70% of your asses, if we filmed you on a reality TV show... A hundred percent of all of us. You'd be very not happy with how you're perceived,

especially when someone didn't like the way that you gave someone a look or how you presented an argument to somebody. Yeah, and sure you might not have been as bad as Adrian, who was pretty monstrous the first season. But that goes to say, I mean, a lot of people, you know, we just had a fan meetup. I understand you guys want us to beat the shit out of the people that you aren't your favorite characters on these reality television shows. I want to, too. It's very fun for me to get into confrontations.

But the thing is, one, we don't care enough to do so to the degree that you want us to. And also, this is just a different environment. And this in particular was 10 years ago. So, all right, can we do some housekeeping? I, all right. So Sam was on the show. she was nice enough to come on. You and I have spoken a little bit off air,

and you had said you heard her say some things on the show that your recollection of the experience was slightly different in some things that she had said on the podcast. One thing, I just, for clarity's sake, when Johnny Eyelash, with the whole cocaine incident and shutting down that charter,

just for clarity, just like for a second person coming in, you guys did not strike and tell the producers that you felt that they basically planted that cocaine. Did that ever happen? Any clarity on that? Yes, we did.

What I will say is the people that had something to lose absolutely did. Myself, Lee, Ben, and Alice were the only people that had a career in yachting or anything to lose if that went down. So the four of us and Eddie and Dave who both understood. very well like Dave has been a Marine so he understands and Eddie who's worked in the maritime industry not necessarily yachting understood that if something like that happened especially in a foreign country that we would be screwed so right after the charter not after the first one after the second one because that was a very quick turnover really they had Jen Levy who was the executive director or whatever

the hell of her title was for Bravo fly down and sit us all down in the salon and tell us that they in fact did not plant drugs that there was no way that that happened we had a meeting with the production company that was on site with us first because all of us

were like look if this is the way as the rest of this six weeks is going to be we're out of here like nobody wants to fucking be here and deal with this the captain has a license Alex has a license you know we all have a career in this and we want to be able to do it afterwards, the people who didn't care and who didn't have a career in yachting didn't give a shit. And that's why when I listened to her interview the other day, after you

guys contacted me, I was really surprised that she didn't remember that entire sit-tap because it definitely happened. And we, I was like, I'm done with this. I'm out of here. I'm not, They tried to get us not to tell Lee that it happened at first. Then they said, okay, well, if we're going to tell Lee, let's just tell them that it happened and we'll flush it and we'll, you know, we won't, it won't be a thing. And that's not how that goes. Well, so they wanted to keep, sorry to interrupt you. So the producers at the time, they wanted to just keep production rolling and they felt

that the integrity of Captain Lee and Alec and you guys. would have stopped production and possibly ruined a whole thing of filming. Absolutely. 100%. And keep in mind, this is the first trip out of the gate

on a brand new venture that none of us were really mentally prepared for. And that was the first thing that happened, like, what the actual fuck? Ironically, on a boat... Ironically, on a boat called honor. You know, it just breaks my heart. You know, Adrian, I wanted, before we get into the episode,

I want to talk to you. Of course, want to ask you if Kat and Sam were the worst, if Sam was the worst person you've ever had under you, but we'll get into that in the episode. But what is your, what was your experience in the yachting industry before you got aboard the vessel, honor? And if you could kind of just try to fit an answer to this question in there, where are the yachts you can do blow on? Because it just seems like these yachts are just such a bummer. I mean, you're supposed to be able to. fight primates and do blow you know i don't know i don't get different yachts they're different yachts but i'll let andrean answer that um so to answer the latter question

miami beach marina no i'm kidding yeah um in in reality no yachts really should be allowing that um but that doesn't mean they don't exist and that doesn't mean that people don't look the other way we just can't look the other way when there's three video cameras recording it Yeah, right, right. Like, duh. Yeah, John Legend snorting some fucking Colombian powwow off Chrissy Teagan's asshole. You guys don't interject. What are you doing here?

Well, no, they yacht every summer. I know, but I don't think he snorts it off her asshole. I feel like they would have the discretion to do it in a place where the crew wouldn't see it or have to find any of it. You know, I believe that he probably would snort all of it and not leave any proof behind. Right, right, right. Especially if it was on her ass. Right.

What was your first question, Dylan? What was your experience in the yachting industry before you got on below deck? I had been a step in the yachting industry before that. So the way that it worked out initially, so I was part of the team that put the show together from the beginning. So we worked on that for three years before we ever even turned on a camera to record. What do you mean you worked on it for three years? Creating a sizzle reel, pitching it. Am I right?

Got it. Correct. And we were initially supposed to have a 130-foot yacht, which means that Alice would have been qualified and licensed to drive it. And I would have been the chef. And you're speaking of porcupine head. That's correct. And Sonic's a hedgehog.

And so we would have, he would have been the captain. I would have been the chef. I don't know who would have been the chief stew, not cat. but there was somebody else that they had casted for that role and he didn't end up making the first season I think because they slid me into the T-Coo role but once we toured the boat and did a walk around

they realized that there was never going to be enough room for us as crew eight guests and 10 to 12 production crew at the same time 130 foot boat sounds like a big boat but when you have that many people on it, it's not. Yeah. And so they ended up deciding kind of at the last minute to upgrade to a larger boat, which is how we got Honor or Cordeleone.

Yeah. Which is also how we got Lee because Lee was actually the casting of record for that boat. Huh. And that's how Alex got split into the first mate role, which if you notice since then, they haven't really had a first mate. They've had a boathen ever since. But he got split into that spot when he got. captain he thought he was the captain that's what he agreed to and then they changed that

and kind of pulled him at the last minute and he was pissed so he had a chip on his shoulder the entire season right but for a lot of different reasons I appreciated him because he was and Ben were really the only two other people on that boat who had any yachting experience where had had been in the industry for like a year maybe yeah and then nobody else had So between the three of us, we were the only ones that had any real yachting experience. Sure. The reason why I got along with Ben as well as I did is because I have done his job and I knew how to communicate with him effectively. Like I knew what he needed for me.

Adrian, who was the initial team that helped sell the show? You mentioned yourself. And was Ben part of that initial sizzle reel? No. No. It was you and porcupine had. No, I was the only one that needed to. the first season.

Everybody else, actually what happened is that I recruited a bunch of friends of mine because they couldn't, they didn't have a good marketing team at the time

to try to figure out how to sell the show. So I just called a bunch of my friends and said, hey, this is what we're doing. They'll pay you, you know,

whatever it was, 250 bucks for the day to come and film this little sizzle reel. We shot down to Miami. If you remember the boat that they did, that Lonely Island did,

I'm on a boat. Sure. Yeah, I remember that it was a boat. That, yeah. Well, that boat, if they filmed that music video on, that's the one that we shot the Zizzlery a lot.

Huh. Okay, cool. So it's your fault. That this show exists. So it's your fault that the show exists, and it's your fault that Captain Lee was introduced to a little hamster

droplet of fame and has led Pat to go into, I mean, almost aneurisms on this show. So it's your fault. you're not alone pat yeah we're gonna get into so much juicy

god fucking shit so adrian if you i'm saying i'm speaking of adrian to the audience if you don't want to think she's a good sport this episode is basically an episode calling her Satan she's titularly called the devil yes and she's willing to come on here and make and have some fun and mix it up with us

so give her some points for that you assholes also it was mentioned we'll move on because we've talked about this she was initially cast as a chef. And then they slid her in for the purposes of filming a reality TV show as the chief stew. And I guess we'll discuss that and how that kind of altered your role or how you were being perceived through the filming of the season. Shall we get started? Yeah. Let's push this boulder down a hill. We get a little bit of a recap before we get into the episode of Lee asking if any of the sea rats drink. I don't know what kind of fucking question that is. Not only is it a little inappropriate, but it's is the sky blue? you know, kind of thing. I mean, it's absolutely insane. And also, Lee, do you have a mirror buddy? So, we last left

off with your piece of shit friend Simon, making Cat quite uncomfortable at dinner, which led her to her bunk, wherein a camera was angled away from her and a door was closed. This,

the Rhode Island accent comes out and you I guess can assume that she is drinking at that point. Now, her story is that she was on Ativan or something like that. I think Xanax. That's what I was feeling. So what happened? Because you know what

happened. I do. So I was down I was down doing dishes and beds and heads while Cat was serving, and I think Sam and I were down, Sam was not terribly quick at Meds and Head Service. So I was down doing that with her, helping her flip the rooms while they were at dinner,

and Cat was serving. And I wasn't privy to that entire conversation that happened at the table when Cat was serving them. but she had started to earlier in the evening she was a little bit more animated than usual and I don't I didn't know what was going on until I went I took a load of laundering down into the crew area

and one of the camera operators came to me and said go look underneath because at that point in time Kat and I were sharing a room go look underneath your bathroom things and I went in so the bathroom room is the only place where there's no video surveillance right that's the only place where they give you any privacy at all yeah sounds fun um well unless you go in there with someone else i guess um was what they told us but i went and looked underneath there and there was an empty

bottle booze like there was maybe that much less what kind of booze and the can i i want to say that that one was tequila okay um she also had it sitting on her, like next to her shelf on her bed the entire rest of the season once it was empty. She was like using it to stuff like change and shit into. It was a big bottle of Oh, wow. Wow. There was also a bottle of, there was also a bottle of vodka, like cheap vodka that was under there, too, that I didn't know about because I had never really looked underneath there, to be honest. And the camera operator came to me and said, I can't say anything about this, but you can bring it up.

Okay, so you knew that she was drunk at that point. You knew that she was drinking, but are the pills a complete fabrication? Was she taking that kind of medication? She definitely was, but you're not supposed to drink with it. And so that's why she got so loopy. And Ben came, so she was not upset whatsoever that anybody was talking about her boobs. For clarity, she was, she had just,

gotten a refurbishment on the balcony that she was very proud of and anytime she had the opportunity she would talk about it or show it off so it's not like she was shy about it right no one who does that is and so the fact that they were bringing attention to it didn't bother her until ben went up heard the conversation and said to her like hey love you know that's not cool like you shouldn't be okay with people talking to you like that what's the deal and then she got upset about it and then he came to me and said hey this is what's going on upstairs and by the way those weren't my best friends they were previous charter guests that i roped into doing this thing because bravo couldn't get anybody to pay to go on these charters but anyway right

um well so i guess the the problematic go go ahead oh so a couple things here obviously i still think simon and his buddy was a was a pig but i understand where you can say perhaps she was saying i feel comfortable with my new breasts. I mean, we obviously don't see this in an edit if it happened in the world. But I obviously, I can't, I don't want to, they were definitely being fucking scumbags. Look, we've grown a lot in the last 10 years. But I have a question about the drinking and the pills. So we've seen a season where a chief stew was terminated because there was a maritime law that you need to check in any medication. Because, you know, you can fall off the side of a fucking boat when you're loopy. I mean, this is all

dangerous shit. So did that, did that, I guess, law or regulation not exist during this time period? Because Xanax or any of these pills should have been checked into some sort of a case or something to be then checked in and checked

out, correct? I have worked on in the last 17 years that I've been doing this. I have worked on hundreds of votes. Not an exaggeration. I've freelanced so I have legitimately worked hundreds of trips. I have never once had a captain ask me what

prescriptions I was on. What I will do when as soon as I get on to a boat that's new to me or a captain that is new to me, I will go to them and tell them that I have an epi-pen for a shellfish allergy. I go to them. I tell them that I have it. I tell them where it is so that way if somebody needs to administer it to me, then they know where it is and how to get to it and all the rest of that stuff, but there is absolutely no requirement that I have ever had on any yacht that I have ever worked on. Second question. To report my medications to the captain.

Captain Sandy, my God. I don't know if you watched that season or if you're still familiar with the franchise. Did Captain Sandy stab Hannah through the heart with that? And obviously, I think it was the help of Malia as well. So was that maybe some of these old laws like, you know, like they'll say like in 1875, you can't chew gum on the sidewalk. you go to jail. That was written into some kind of maritime law,

but really it wasn't used in the general sense of regulations on a boat. But Captain Sandy possibly used that to get rid of Hannah because it was expedient. Two things. Two things that are a possibility here. I actually wrote a very long post on the below deck Reddit. Oh, why'd you do that? When this happened? Because there was a lot of confusion and a lot of misinformation and a lot of misinformation.

and a lot of what they were saying on TV was not accurate. And so I wrote a really, like there's three doctors in the United States that issue an ENG1 certificate. That's the health certificate you need to be able to work on a yacht over a certain tonnage. And I talked to all three of them. And all of three of them agreed that they go through your vision test, your heart rate, your physical ability, and your prescriptions, like your medication. and if they deem you seaworthy, that is all the captain needs to know about your health history. That's it. It's just one piece of paper.

I actually posted a copy of mine on the Reddit page to show this is all the captain need. So this is, this is it. Like, this is all you need. So Malia shouldn't have gotten fired. I'm sorry. Hannah Storm. Hannah shouldn't have gotten fired. Well, she also had a hashish pen.

And I think that even though you're deemed seaworthy, I mean, you could you it's listen it's like uh you get a license when you're 16 you crash into a farmer's market when you're 85 there's you know you can develop anxieties and get new medication you know three years after being considered seaworthy right i mean and i don't think it's good to take that's absolutely true and drugs of any kind are not accessible you know controlled substances like that and especially so the two things that will make all the difference in this it's not necessarily a blanket maritime law for what it's worth, especially when we're talking about the prescription that Hannah had. What we're talking about is the contract that she would

have signed to work on that particular vessel, which is coordinated between the management team that runs the boat and the insurance company and what they require. So that's one possibility that she violated their contract. The second thing is the flag state. So the flag state of that particular vessel was Malta, and they have different regulations than a U.S. flag boat or a Jamaican flag boat or a Marshall Island flag boat. And I was never actually able to get a hold of, even though I contacted the flag state of Malta to ask them for it, because I wanted to know myself what rules I was subject to if I worked on a boat that was flagged in the state. I say this lovingly. You are out of your mind.

well look she was doing a podcast too for a while so yeah so so in summation captain sandy is the real devil and there's nuance to it there's different countries that have different laws all right should we get back into the show see all right i want to talk about cj and sam so we in the episode we yeah i have the same question why well because it seemed like a very forced romance. I was happy that she was not playing along with this. It seemed like just a hit it and quit it situation for her. It's so funny to watch. You know, it's like he had a pretty nice piece on him. You know, he was in shape and stuff like that. But I would say that his is on parallel with Harry. You know, like you can't tell a woman earnestly, I care about you so much. That's

why I make your cereal in the morning. And I get that it's a cute thing and all that, but CJ, CJ and Sam were just never going to work. I can't wait to talk about her capability of trigonometry and calculus. But we'll get to the rocket stuff later. So yes, I don't know. Fucking CJ and Sam, they're fucking each other. What are your take? Do you communicate with, do you have a relationship with anybody from the original cast? I talk to Dave intermittently. He blows around and I see Ben occasionally. I mean, he travels a bunch and so do I, but we both live in Fort Lauderdale.

So, I mean, we run into each other. And more often than not, if people are like, oh, yeah, I saw a chef Ben the other day. I'm like, oh, okay, we used to hang out a bunch, actually. but I hang out more with people from other seasons that I've become really, really close with. So, I mean, throughout the years, I have kind of become the trauma counselor for a lot of people that go through filming the show and then have immediately upon finishing, have like buyers remorse and need to figure out what's going on. So I have taken a couple of people under my wing to help them get through the trauma of filming their season because it really is a lot. And what I think is really unfortunate and what I hope changes with what Bethany, Pringle and some other people are putting together right now is that there will be a little bit more support because it really does upend your entire life. And they don't prepare you for that.

They don't adequately tell you before you do it. what it really has the potential to do. And I think that's... Completely agree with you. Completely agree. I do, unless you're somebody on Love is Blind who didn't make it out of the pods. Shut the fuck up and go back to your banking job.

Just chill out. So, Adrian, Dylan, and I recap old seasons of Rock of Love and Flavor of Love. Good God. Did they need counselors on that? Rock of love, I feel bad for a lot of the castes, not Brett Michaels, of course, because now you can watch the unedited version of that show on multiple streaming services

in which they aren't blurring the bodies. So you, and they're not blurring the swearing words or whatever. So imagine in 2007 you signed a contract saying we own all your images. And now in 2023, Dylan and I are recapping it. And we are watching episodes of you fully naked. Well, let's talk about time capsule stuff because I think that, it. One of the tough things about watching you as Chiefs do on this vessel is that we're going back in time through this lens in 2023. So whether it was murky editing or just

a look back on a different time, your interaction with Kat post-Simon being a piece of shit was a little gross just because she had been sexually her. harassed and there was this onus from you that it was her responsibility to figure the whole thing out. Now, I recognize that it was a different time back then, but just looking at it from where we are now, it seemed like, I think the audience was hoping or now hopes that you would have had a little bit bigger of his shoulder for her to lean on. It's easy to have hindsight, right? I didn't have all the information at the time. I didn't have all the information at the time she wasn't telling me anything when i pulled her from dinner service because

of what ben said to me he said get her out of there like this is this is what just happened and i said are you serious like okay and i switched with her and i brought her down to her room and i said just hang out down here and she got mad at me because she felt like she was being punished for what happened and i said absolutely not i'm pulling you from the situation if this is a making you uncomfortable that was the conversation i had with ben when i talked to her she gave me no information she acted like everything was fine right but he also did the same thing when the drug situation happened she acted like everything was fine and then she was really upset because she thought the crew was going to be mad at her for screwing up the tip right so the way that she

goes through turns in her mind about things and the communication that she gave off to me in both of those situations were very different than the interpersonal conversations you saw her have with other people. Right, right, right. And she was wasted and you were in a pressure cooker you'd never been in that position before. So we've got a tornado of bad here.

But we, because we've got so much more to talk about, the next morning I want to ask you about Sam because we've got another dickbag moment from Simon who, you don't speak to that guy anymore, right? I mean, what a, what a pig. I haven't spoken to him since maybe six months after that show aired. Yeah. But Lee still does.

Oh, Lee's good buddies with him? Yep. Okay, so the next morning, we have, honestly, it was a funny moment from shitbag, Simon, but also such a dick move. Sam is talking about how she helped Can I give you a little bit of ammunition here? You know that Simon went to prison a couple of years ago, right? Oh, no, please arm us.

Oh, it was a whole white collar, I'm assuming. I think Adrian froze on us. And there was something that happened there. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Very definitely. And there was some kind of fraud with,

technology company and a bunch of money and then he beat his wife up and it was it was a whole thing you can look it up this is all shocking you know what um simon the sole patch is a pretty good indicator that he could commit fraud and uh domestic abuse but um i think he should it wasn't the affliction t-shirt uh it was it was a lot of it he did look like he was in a he would walk into a grainy porn set and you'd be like oh yeah oh yeah you're here all right so adrian real quick question because you mentioned this at the top of the show and how, again, forgive me for being the good cop, but I did a go on couch talk with Lee and Kate. He's real, Simon would be a great guest. Oh, yeah, he'd be awesome. He'd be incredible. So they framed this. He'd be humping the couch behind them. They frame this

as Simon was your great friend. And you to a certain degree cooperated that. Were you pressured by production to make it look like the relationship was more solidified than it actually was? And also, the way you hugged him made it seem like you'd had sex with him before. So did that happen? So right before they showed up. So Simon was actually a pretty integral part of the show coming together in the first place. He was basically the bank for Below Death, the first season. So he was the one who owned the charter company that all of the charters were run through.

and so all he was i communicated with him i contacted him before we um after we did the sizzle reel once bravo picked up the show because it was bravo mcb h1 and uh he that we pitched the show to and then bravo was the one that got it so once we solidified that i contacted him to say now we're going to start looking for charter guests would you guys be interested in and i had had a had him on a charter before and I knew he was very entertaining he was never that rude to me and he was not like I had never seen that before um I so I brought him in I introduced him to the producers they brought him in in a financial way and we ended up spending hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours on the phone and right before he showed up a off camera meeting happened

because I was ready to leave. I was ready to just fucking tell everybody to kick rocks and be done with this entirely, just walk off. They threatened me twice. They threw me into a van one night because I went off on the producers. Like I just,

after one of the nights where they took us out and they fed us a bunch of drinks and wouldn't let us eat dinner, I went to town and just started screaming at all of the producers and what terrible humans they were. And they sent me with one of the producers to a hotel for a night

to quarantine me so that I didn't Taint the rest of the cast in the group. So one of the things that That's pretty brilliant. You got to divide and conquer. You have to get the cancer

out of the body. Right. So there's that. Wow. That sounds like Abu Ghraib kind of stuff. Like they throw you in a fuck, did they put a hood on you? No, they just threw me into a van

and took me away. and brought me back the next day so that I had a chance to cool down. But they, very early on, one of the things that they did that, so they never told us what to say or what to do. What they did do was manipulate us

in a lot of different ways. And one of the things that they did is they told the rest of the, they told me before we even started filming that I was going to be the bitch, everybody loved to hate. And I was like, that doesn't sound great.

They got that with Kate Chastain. later on. Do I? They got that with Kate Chastain later on. If that was the archetype they were creating. Well, Kate had a little bit more charisma to her awfulness.

Adrian was a little bit more less charismatic. No, I'm just looking for the words. Dylan, right? Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to agree with you. Yeah.

Actually, I am fully happy to admit, that I am not even close to the best chief stew we've said you were in a pressure cooker it was the first thing you were in a chief stew I understand why you were a you know Nazi is a little intense but yeah just because you know I think it's a little intense

I agree with you I will be the first person to agree with you it wasn't my job it was obviously not something I was the custom to and it was a horrifying situation all the way around I think that the successive chief stews got lucky that they had at least one

underling that actually wanted to do the job. That's a great point. They wanted to fuck off and, you know, sit on the beach and drink and screw their co-workers. So let's talk about Sam then, because I love this moment from her when she tells Simon. Oh, and you guys were lovers? No, absolutely not.

Not even a little. Sam tells Simon. that she worked on some kind of project for NASA while she was getting her degree. And he says, probably the line of the night, it makes me feel almost bad for asking you to get me a Pellegrino. What was working with Sam and Kat like?

Because Kat seems as though she's at least competent enough and good enough to do the work to whatever degree of success. Sam seems like she wanted to make you kill yourself. Okay, so before Adrian answers this, forgive me, Adrian, with that question, how much of what Sam was doing and you, to a certain degree, playing it up for the cameras? Absolutely none. None. Everything that you saw actually happened. And to be honest, it was worse.

They had to make her somewhat likable. So they didn't show the worst parts of it. There was so much. Every single conversation that I had with her was confrontational from jump. Right. Every single, I don't give a fuck what your degree is. Do you know how to pour champagne? Like, this isn't about how smart you are.

It's about your level of competency in a job that you have never done. before. I at this very least have done a service job. She hadn't even done that. Right. And I needed to assess from the beginning where we need to go with this and how much I really need to inform you about the job that you're about to do. And she was so indignant from the beginning that it made it nearly impossible for me to communicate her without some kind of tension. Right. And everything that happened after that, because it started on the wrong foot and went south from me. there, like there was no middle ground

where we were going to find a place where she was going to say, I understand what you mean and I will do that. Right. That, on the other hand, is a follower. He's not a leader. And both Sam and I have very

strong personalities. Yeah. And he ended up because her and Sam were more lateral with their positioning, they ended up bonding and teaming up against me. Well, if you have the same enemy, we may be friends.

Yeah, as Sun Zoo said in Spider-Man. So wait a minute. So, Adrian, some things that I've seen like when you would say, come here, come in this room. It felt like that was your very much like I felt like Simon was playing the part as a guest, which this is how rich people are supposed to act. They're supposed to be kind of belittling and they can treat people that are in the service industry, kind of like they're nothings. When you, became chief stew i don't think haven't i've only known you for a short while kind of the shortness that you had it felt like you were stepping into a role and kind of being what you thought a version

of a chief stew was is was there a little bit of that a headmaster sure um not necessarily i mean there had been a hundred interactions that had happened before the one that they recorded and used for television where I had said, okay, this is how we do this, okay, this, I mean, I know how to clean a boat just because I'm a chef doesn't know, doesn't mean I don't know how to clean certain surfaces and what products you use and all the rest of those kind of things. So that was all base knowledge, right? But for me, but Sam didn't have any of that. And there were several times when I told her, there was a point in time where she used a granite product on the mirror. And it took us.

four hours because that has oil in it. It took us four hours to get all of the oil off of the mirrors because she just sprayed this granite all over the mirror in the bathroom. I do the same thing. Yeah. I'm helpless. And it was it was one of those things where it was like you you, all you have to do is read the products. You know that that's not what you're supposed to use it for, but you did it anyway. The typeface is so small sometimes. You know, why can't you use formula 409 on wood? I don't know. There should just be one for everything. All right, where do we go with this? Or imagine you reach it on your car.

Yeah, yeah. So I just want to talk really quickly about the academic truth of Sam's backstory. Because it just, it's kind of, I know that she was very young, but it's just very confusing to me. I want to say I don't believe it or I want to say that I don't not believe it, but I don't believe it. I know it comes off as a dick thing, but it just doesn't add up that she was this brilliant. but she's here. My dream is to have Kat, Sam, and Adrian all on to recap the final episode of this season. So I don't want to go too hot, but was that a question, Dylan, or a statement?

Yeah, I mean, is she lying? What's going on? Why is she a rocket scientist working on a boat spraying granite cleaner on a mirror? I have no idea. Okay. Yeah. That's a simple answer. And look, for what is worse, I ended up hiring Kat to work for me after she.

after she filmed season two after that and i didn't cat is an extremely hard worker when she's sober she's amazing right when she is is focused he's unbelievable she worked for me for an entire season we went up to newport we met i met her parents you know we had dinner with them so you guys patched it up well yes and and then no but but she has the ability to do a really good job when he wants to. I think Sam did a really good job of distract. I have a question. Sorry.

Zoom, Zoom, Zoom bad Zoom. Zoom. I have a question about your deliberation on the call to have Kat actually admit or take some culpability of being. in a different state during service. Where did you come to that?

How long did you deliberate that? Did you know you were going to do that? Were you just going to go up directly to Lee and say, hey, she was drinking? And that would have gotten her fired immediately. You talk about you coming to that decision? I didn't want her to get fired because then it would have just been me and Sam, and that would have been so much worse.

I thought that despite the rules that existed, if and she had protested to me the next day that she wasn't drinking even though I knew it to be a fact and she did admit on the reunion that she was drinking she said I know that if I had said I was drinking I would have gotten fired so I lied so she validated what I knew um even though she lied to Lee in the moment and she still got brought back for season two which is confusing but um i i didn't really want her to leave i needed her and i didn't know what i was going to end up with if she left right and i most certainly didn't want to have to make it through an entire charter with just sam yeah that would have been that would have been impossible people would have died but so

you had to kind of stick to the letter of the law we get we let's breeze past the tip meeting it's 10 grand. Simon's a pig and a piece of shit. But we get up to the bridge with Captain Lee. And this is where I just don't know why you gave a shit the way that

you did. Because once she had lied about the pills and Lee was all good with it, why then did you kind of in front of Lee try to reveal her to be a liar in that moment?

you worried that the cameras had already captured it, that it was like a known thing and you just didn't want to co-sign on this? But what was it? Because it came off as you hating her? I didn't hate her. I was concerned because the behavior that she had displayed the night before that, because you obviously didn't see all of it, was very concerning. I had even talked to CJ about it who was like, fuck yeah, she's wrong.

like no duh like there's no even if you overdose on whatever that medication was because he was familiar with it and I wasn't he's like that's not the same reaction like even CJ who does not like me was in agreement that she

was very definitely off of rocker right but we also don't want to take pharmaceutical truths from CJ or any kind of truth from CJ but are you kidding he's probably done more pharmaceuticals than anybody else yeah I know he's He's done so many zanibars, but also they hit different people differently.

I just don't want CJ rendering decisions on anything. But anyway, sorry. Well, here's what I was worried about. If she stated on that behavior without any serious repercussion, then it would happen again. Because she would know that she could just resort to, I took one more pills than I was supposed to, kind of thing. And then we would be stuck in the same situation in a bad spot. something worse could happen. And I don't...

You had to be professional in that environment, and it made you, you know, look like a Nazi, an SS officer. A Nazi? Yeah, Nazi. The devil and the Nazi is what it made her look like. All right, so we move on past that. And Sam believes that Cooper, your boyfriend, is fake.

I don't care to even discuss it. I think that's just a made-up thing. Was he AI? Was Cooper AI? AI wasn't even really a thing back then that I'm aware of. Really, really good AI for 2013. I believe we meet Cooper on a Skype call. Yeah, let's talk about that Skype call real quick.

What is up with you? What are you doing having a Skype call of full bore with all the doors open and shit? That was the craziest thing you did the entire episode. They weren't all the way open. I was sitting in Lee's office because that was the only place that we had any reception. And that means that there was a stairwell. well there and the pilot house was right behind me. So they split open the door because it was one of those pocket doors. They split open the door so that they could hear the conversation

because they knew that the production company was recording my conversation. Yeah. Well, you were you were really locked in on Cooper then to not see that, a bunch of sea rats trying to gossip on you. All right. So we... Well, Kat goes up and lies to Captain Lee. Are we through all that? We're through all that. We get to the night out. I don't know why Lee is out with you guys. That is... He loves the cameras. God damn, is that fucking weird to me?

I mean, going out, you know how sea rats are. You know, you don't want fucking Lee there bumming everybody out, although it didn't seem to stop really any of you. But that night, I guess, I don't know. There wasn't a ton for you to comment on. I mean, Kat climbed a poll that I'm not. sure was a stripper pole or if it was just kind of utilitarianly there to secure the building but yeah any thoughts on that on that night not a lot yeah it was really

awkward um because there are night that place that we went to um is very well known for having theme parties and having really fun there were times when that place just goes off and it gets crazy and that does turn into a tripper pole that night there was like 12 other people in the building besides us and it was just awkward right right right somebody mentioned stripper pole to cat and cat was like great idea okay and then we were all like oh my god oh my god but you also have to think if you're filming this and you want it to air you're like this you know at that point reality was already pretty established like all right this is crazy this is going to make great TV yeah yeah so so that's a

sea rat haunt huh oh my god all right so adrian i want to ask about this because you guys establish the foundation of the structure of the show and it's so fun to watch it 10 years in because you see so many of the things that they were filming and how the episode the flow of it went were still basically the way they do it now when you're actually on charter and most charters a lot of people don't know are not two days like the show films it but rather like five or seven days when you get off charter do all the co-workers go out to dinner at the same fucking bar all the same assholes you've been working with sweating with for five or seven days is this a true uh a depiction true depiction of how this lifestyle is it depends on how cohesive the crew is if we all like each other

and we all get along and we all feel like we had a really good charter yes. But more often than not, you're so sleep deprived and everything hurts and you're just tired. So maybe we'll go out to get drinks together or maybe grab a quick meal together after the trip is over. But it doesn't usually turn into two days of debauchery after a trip. Like everybody wants to get some sleep because chances are in two or three days you've got to turn the boat over and start over again. You know, it just, it really depends. We've always asked for how they do it because the kind of pattern of the show is to go get blackout the next day you throw up over the side of the boat and then shammie it off the side of the boat. Adrian, I think you, I want to thank you for coming on. I know it was a tough episode. I don't think that we were that hard on you at all. So I hope the audience is. I expected worse.

I know, I'm a little disappointed. So everybody, hopefully, you know, you're not pissed off at us or me. hopefully we I learned so much about this show today well she started it she's to blame for it um so adrian you know you and i have been talking off mike and i know you had a podcast so maybe some of the listeners and the audience understands or knows what you're up to these days but what do you what is your line of work now so i still freelance occasionally i've been on and off tour with the pGA the golfer um the last year or so and um what I also...

What does that mean? You, like, you boat stuff for the PGA? No, do tour catering for the PGA. Oh, got it, got it, got it. But you also, because today we wanted to speak with you, but you were driving back because you were going to help out. So I, yeah, sorry about pushing back your timeline for today. I have linked up with an organization called World Central Kitchen, and we do design after-release. So I first met them last year for Hurricane Ian, and I was down in Fort Myers for about a month, and helping all the victims of Hurricane Ian and the first responders and the cleanup crew and all of that.

And professionally speaking, it was the most edifying thing I've ever done. Yeah, it sounds wonderful. I've had the opportunity. Sorry? I said it sounds wonderful. It was amazing. It was, you know, going from having somebody come up and thank you for cooking them a meatball and it's the first hot food they had had in eight days to the very next week working on a yacht

for a bunch of rich people in Key West who were visiting about their espresso martini's not being cold enough. It was a very tough contract. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can imagine. Yeah, I stepped back for a little bit from yachting because it was just such a, duality that was really hard for me to square and I love yachting I absolutely do but I just couldn't

do that after what I had just done You know it's so crazy I've thought I've talked so often about slaughtering the ruling elites because they shouldn't be making decisions for us and I'm just I'm having a tough time figuring out the network of assassinations and I think that we should kill them

well some of them deserve it but you could place the assassins in the yachting industry It would be a little odd to have like a 60 or like a 70-year-old Vietnam bet serving espresso and martinis, but I think it could make a lot of sense. So are you, you're doing, did you go to Maui? I mean, this sounds like a wonderful organization. She was in Los Angeles last week for the hurricane.

Oh, wow. Thank you. I was supposed, I was on standby to come to L.A. or Palm Springs for Hillary, but it ended up being a good. good thing that I was still in Florida because I was the first boots on the ground in Gainesville to scout out kitchens for us to utilize there and where we should position ourselves. So for Adalia, I was in Gainesville. I just got back this afternoon like 45 minutes before we started this.

So I was up there for five days. we rode out the hurricane in Gainesville. We weren't sure if it was going to come to us. So Cedar Key is about 40 minutes south and west of Gainesville. So it's easily, you know, for a long time they were tracking it through Cedar Key, which means it would have gone straight above us in Gainesville. I don't understand why you guys live out there. I mean, it's just ridiculous.

I mean, year after year of this shit, just planning and hunkering down for fucking the torrent of the gods to come. and fucking ruin your life. It's not that she lives there. She runs towards the fire. Well, thank you very much for your work. That sounds like really important. What was the name of the foundation again? World Central Kitchen. World Central Kitchen. And I don't endorse many charities

for a lot of different reasons, but I have been on the ground and seeing where the money goes and see what a difference it makes. And it's amazing. It goes to the meatballs. All right. Only because we have the barnacles and the fan paste, I have to ask a couple juicy questions. Adrian, and you can pass on it. Sure.

No, you can't pass. That's the rule. Are you done with below deck or is there a possibility because we hear of a number of spin-offs are coming from people that were very integral or very famous or fan favorites, possibly coming back for some spinoffs? Would you be open to being on some kind of below deck? It'll be good for the foundation. For what it's worth, I don't think I was a fan favorite, but I don't.

It depends. For below deck, actual below deck, I don't think so. If it was some kind of a different thing off of that, I don't know. I've thought about it. We're hearing a competition show is in the works. Yeah, well, we'll see you on that. Well, last question. Sorry, inappropriate.

There's a lot of former below deck cast members. Any intermixing relationships through the years? That's how we're going to end it? Well, I got a couple more if we can. But I'm curious because this world, it's grown with the four different, five different versions of the show. Oh, it's a big ball of all of you. A lot of them work in Florida, or at least that's where they get their licenses. Have we possibly intermingled with any former castmates we might know?

Yeah. Absolutely. It's Tiffany Copeland, who was third due on... I meant have sex. Oh, no. And that's why I was worried, I don't, we can't end it like that. We're not going to end like that. We can't end like that.

I mean, my God, damn it, Patrick. All right. Well, I was, I was going to tell you, so you asked me what I'm up to now. I just took on, because I decided to step back from stuffing on yachts, I accepted a position as a culinary director for a brand new training school here in Fort Lauderdale. So I'm going to be offering, starting very soon, September. 13th. Continuing education for yacht success, it's really difficult for us to get downtime to be able to learn additional

skills and sleepings. And my God, do they need them? My God, do they need them? Adrian, do you want to plug that? Is that your business? It's not my business. I'm the componentary director for Blue Oceans Yotting based in Fort Waterdale, and we have a very cool training center right on Las Gola

and starting September 13th through the entire fall we've got some really amazing classes coming up that's awesome so you're going to teach them you're going to teach them about the mother sauces and they've already got surf and turf covered so you don't need to teach them that that's actually really really cool

that makes me so happy I think we could teach everybody how to make a dance seafood tower a seafood extravaganza we need to do an entire class on that yeah yeah exactly well Adrian thank you so much for joining us today. We really appreciate it. Please move out of Hurricane Alley when you get a chance to. And hopefully nothing bad happens by way of water or wind or debris flying. I mean, it just sounds like a fucking nightmare. But anyways, thank you so much for joining us. Everybody

comment along and we will assemble Cat, Sam, and Adrian for the final. I'm going to get the three of you back into a Zoom call to recap the final episode of this season, if you guys will do. it. God damn, would that be fun? I mean, look, I'm game. It'll be very interesting. I am willing to put down money that not everyone will make it until the end of the episode. Okay. All right. Let's see. Thank you. You're such a great sport, Adrian. You're such a great sport. We'll talk to you soon. Thanks, Adrian. Absolutely. Have a good one, guys. Thank you. No.

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