Answer Me This! - AMT308: Pink Hair, Sleeping Naked and Tom Jones's Knickers
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It's Fifty Shades of Grey about the English summer
Has to be this, has to be this
Did the world really need a sequel to Dumb and Dumber?
Has to be this, has to be this
Helen and Ollie, has to be this
Very exciting feedback to our last episode where we were talking about the fortunes of Grumpy Cat.
Jess in Kalgoorlie in Western Australia says,
I am someone who has a cat video on YouTube that has made money.
Our cat Luna is the star of the video,
Luna falls into bathtub when as a kitten,
she investigated the partially filled bath for the first time with hilarious results.
And I can confirm, I can verify that indeed the results are hilarious.
I didn't find them hilarious.
I found them quite distressing because the cat was obviously not enjoying it.
There was a distressing undercurrent in that the cat doesn't know when it falls into the
bath that it's not going to drown to death.
It looks like it thinks it will never be able to get out again because of the sheer scrabbly
sides.
There is sheer panic on the cat's face.
However, the dramatic irony of knowing that the cat's all right in the end, to me, rendered
the video hilarious indeed.
I still found it upsetting.
And I thought of the mental scars that luna would have carried to this day well jeff says the video has
1.3 million hits which as it was uploaded in 2009 is not particularly impressive well how are our
2010 videos doing ollie uh most popular one has 15 000 views thanks for asking but it has earned
us about 2 000 us dollars from various tv shows using the video and also from YouTube ad revenue.
See, now that is the bit that is a bit freaky, isn't it?
Because you know that obviously, don't get me wrong, Jess,
you're obviously a responsible cat owner.
You didn't deliberately try and drown your cat to get a funny video out of it.
Although she was filming the cat about to do a thing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but you're filming the kitten
because it's investigating the world for the first time.
That's bog-standard cat owner stuff to do.
She was expecting crisis. because it's investigating the world for the first time. That's bog standard cat owner stuff to do. She wasn't...
She was expecting crisis.
Why would you be filming the cat in the bathroom?
Nonetheless, the issue is,
does it incentivize people to put their cats in danger
to raise revenue on YouTube?
Yeah.
There is always that unsettling feeling, isn't there?
There may be somewhere in the world it might.
Anyway, $2,000 from a cat.
That's okay, as she points out.
Well, as she says, given this, I think that grumpy cat earning a hundred million is not that unbelievable
given her popularity reach and being the face of friskies etc well that means that uh grumpy cat
would be 50 000 times more popular than your cat yeah that seems plausible if grumpy cats got more
than one video yeah but 50 000 times more it's like 50 billion isn't it? Once you earn your first million as an internet cat,
maybe the rest follows fairly quickly.
Well, if you invest it wisely.
If it's from tie-ins, though,
that doesn't have to scale the same way, does it?
That's true.
I mean, how much does Grumpy Cat charge for an appearance?
Could be a million a time.
It's interesting how the cat world mirrors the Hollywood world in other ways.
Because if you're a young starlet, for example,
and you want to get noticed,
you have to pay for your own agent, own pr people and everything else you may be making
money you're spending it all on your own stuff it's thousands a month isn't it to have the pr
that gets you placed in magazines to make it look natural like you'd be there but then once you
become grumpy cat once you become the cat everyone's talking about then kerching yeah unless
grumpy cat spends it all on drugs and stuff. Well, inevitably. While talking of cats and bathtubs, we've had this question from Gavin from Devon, who says,
I have a cat that is generally clean, but there are bits of him that are always a bit dirty that he can't reach properly,
like his nose and the back of his neck.
Yeah, you know, the back of the neck is the only place that a cat actually can't reach at all.
Back of the head as well?
No, they can just about get to the top of the head with the paw, you see.
But the paw doesn't go up and round, it doesn't disconnect to flex up to the back of the neck what about if you gave them a
little scrubbing brush um so that's why you put the flea treatment there on the neck yes because
they can't lick it off yeah is it the same with dogs yeah same with humans flea treatments yeah
can't lick it off your neck um he says ollie answered me this can i wash my cat and if so
how do i go about doing it i know i'll get torn to pieces if i try to give it a bath
perhaps there are some kind of cat wipes i can use there are cat wipes yeah well they're called
pet wipes like wet wipes yeah i think people tend to use it with pedigree cats that aren't so good
at washing every element of themselves anyway because they've got long hair that are getting
on a bit so if you've got a pedigree cat that's like 15 and a bit senile yeah it's gonna have a
lump of shit hanging from his arse and that's why you get the pet wipes but if you've got a pedigree cat that's like 15 and a bit senile yeah it's gonna have a lump of shit hanging from his arse and that's why you get the pet right but if you've got a tabby like i have i
don't think you'd ever really have to use it i mean you just want her to be super shiny well i
don't know if gavin is obsessing about that i mean let the cat lick its own bloody neck do you know
what i mean there's nothing i know but exactly it can't it's inadequate there's a reason it can't
cats are obsessed with cleaning you know they're not I use the word designed slightly ill-advised.
I don't want to have a discussion about whether they're designed or whether they evolved.
But the point is, they're not designed to be able to clean the back of their necks for a reason,
which is they don't really need to, so chill out about it, it's fine.
Would there be like a little cat wash that your cat could run through,
like a car wash that would be more fun than them getting into a horrible echoey cold bathtub?
I doubt a cat would ever find the process fun,
but you are correct to say that the bath
is a particularly scary place for them.
Dogs usually hate the bath too,
and I think noise has a lot to do with it.
Yeah, which is why Luna,
in the previous piece of correspondence we had,
is scrabbling to get out of the bath.
It's a scary thing for a cat.
They don't know what it is.
So people do actually use a basin.
If they'll fit into a basin or a sink, that's better.
They can see over the edge.
That must be comforting.
Hello, it's Jasmine from Surrey.
Helen and Molly, answer me this.
Would it be all right if I dyed my hair pink
whilst I'm looking for a job in digital and social media?
Is it out there enough for me to have pink hair,
or is that a really bad move?
And I won't find a job if I do that.
Is it too out there?
I wonder it might not be out there enough.
Really?
Yes.
Maybe she needs to dye a colour that is less popular,
like racing green.
You know, like an agar.
The thing is, pink itself,
I mean, even Pink the Artist now has blonde hair, doesn't she?
She sees it as a bit passé.
But she hasn't told us what the current state of her hair is if it's already dyed platinum and she was just going to put the
pink on top of it why not yeah if you're someone that who regularly dyes your hair though actually
the bigger treat for everyone else in your life is just to let it go natural isn't it because it's
quite nice to see what it was whereas whereas if i with my boring colored hair if i were to go to a
job interview and i thought suddenly i better bleach my hair and then dye it pink,
then I suppose I'd be wearing an artificial character
that they might pick up on.
Yes, OK, so that's the thing, isn't it, in Jasmine's question,
which isn't just about the colour of her hair.
She mentions that she's going for job interviews
in the field of digital and social media.
Does she want to look a bit more exciting for them?
I think what she's saying is she wants to look kooky and cool,
but not too kooky that people think she's weird and just like a hashtag well that's a bit 2011 i think
her concerns are well placed because no one likes a try hard well as far as i can tell um social
media companies or actually companies that are looking for someone to do their social media for
them tend to be companies that are staffed by older people who are web savvy enough to understand they have a need for that
but not savvy enough to understand that but she hasn't said that is the kind of job she's going
no i know but she might be going for a cool startup where the boss is 22 she might be but
hear me out i'm just saying if she's you know sending her cv far and wide trying to get that job
i'm just saying in a lot of those places they're looking for someone who is kind of young and cool and hip enough that they create the impression they
understand it more than everyone else in the office however they're also looking for experience
and if you are too young and cool and hip then you obviously don't have enough experience
in doing the thing they're doing well you have too much experience of personal vanity and not
enough of work well possibly you want track record, don't you? And so I just wonder
whether pink hair pushes
it a little bit too far in Look How Cool I Am.
I want to give pink hair and surgical stockings to
Vance. Here's an opposite
tack, Jasmine. Why don't you go and get the
haircut and the outfit of Mark Zuckerberg?
The most
successful social media-ist of all.
Boring, isn't it? A bit creepy, isn't it, if you turn up in exactly
his outfit. Well, worked for him.
I remember once when I was in an internet chat room when I was about 16
and I was trying to impress other people who were also about 16.
This is in the days before broadband internet or web cameras.
Did you know they were 16?
Could they have been 45?
They probably were.
I was describing myself and I meant to put that I had blue-green eyes,
which is a slight extension of the truth my
eyes are actually just blue but i thought blue green sounded more interesting and without
realizing i actually wrote uh green hair and then like loads of people parted in like wow green hair
you've got green hair and i was like oh fuck caught in a light i've got green hair yeah yeah
just do it i'm just and i basically started to pretend to be a proper sort of green day style
emo just because i thought well this is obviously making me more popular oh sweet it's that guy with the green hair have you ever tried
dyeing your hair green and seeing if it had the same effect in real life do you think my hair
green would really work Helen you look like the Joker you would look like Cress well here's another
question of careers uh it is from Baxter from Washington DC uh famously known he says as the
birthplace of Helen's mother.
Yeah, I think that is why D.C. is so famous.
That's why people like to stop off and have a look around, isn't it?
I bet this is where Alison Zaltzman first appeared in the world.
He says,
When I told my dad I intended to study philosophy at university,
his response was to ask,
Are you preparing for a career as a graduate student?
Is that a career now? Cool. I think is that a career now cool i think he was
being glib i think he was being realistic well that's the nature of the question so let's see
helen answer me this when you told your parents what you intended to study what was their reaction
and what is your advice for students who will be telling their parents they want to study a subject
that doesn't have an obvious career path okay well in answer to the
second part i think you'd say well i want to study old and middle english was what i did study not a
useful thing although now i'm doing the illusionist it's sort of useful yeah but i think you say i'm
going to do that an obvious career path i think it's fair to say that's kind of amazing that you
are using your degree in your work it only took 12 years to become useful but it did um i think you
you just say i'm
going to do that but also on the side i'll be doing this and this to contribute to the career
that i plan afterwards just make it look like you have a plan even if you're bullshitting i think
that's right um but uh for the first part just bear in mind that my dad is a sculptor and my
mother is his enabler and therefore it's not really up to them to tell me i'm wasting my life is it
it's not the most careersy job it's also not the nicest thing to say back to your parents if they
were to say that to you so even though you can have that in your arsenal helen if your father
had turned around and said i'm not going to do the south african accent do a little if he did
hill hill hill hill hill hill hill i don't want you to waste
he's not quite as
vortrecker as that
I don't want you
to waste your life
in middle English
he's basically become
Arnold Schwarzenegger
in my impersonation
Helen I don't want you
to waste your life
like I have done
I think what he would
have said was
what are you going to
do with that then
okay but my point is
had he said
don't waste your life
like I've wasted mine
exactly as I've wasted mine.
If he'd said that to you, if he'd have said,
bear in mind, I want you to have a job
where you can support yourself in the future,
what would your response be?
You couldn't have actually said,
well, it wouldn't be worth it.
I think I would have, though.
I can't remember what their reaction was,
but I think they probably knew.
And also, I was on quite an academic track
because of the kind of school that they had sent me to.
And I think they would have been surprised
had I gone for something vocational.
So you're talking as if Helen went and studied, you know,
like drama of the Japanese no theatre.
Like she did an English degree at Oxford.
It's not exactly not mainstream or respectable.
Yeah, but I specialised in things written before 1400, Martin.
So when you say not mainstream and not specialised,
there were poets I studied that none of the tutors had ever read my parents their position was kind of the maureen litman bt
approach of you know he's got an ology i think the most important thing for them was that i went to
university at all so they didn't have any particular interest really in the subject that i was choosing
to study or even where i was going to go and do it it was more just that from their point
of view they'd spent loads of money on my education going to private schools so that I went to
university I'm the only person still in my family to have ever gone to university and because they
hadn't been that was their project for me was to go and that was the thing that they felt they'd
missed out on and the only route we had about it was when I said when I was 18 I'm not really sure
if I want to go to university maybe I'll become a dancer well no what I thought was at that time I wanted to work in the
film industry yeah and I thought probably rightly that if I wanted to get into the film industry it
would probably be better for me to go and spend four years working in the film industry so by the
time I'm 21 I've got experience and contact you'd be awesome wells by the time you're 21 and they
just flipped out at me they were just like well if you want to go and work in the shop family
owned a butcher shop I was like I didn't say you want to go and work in the shop, family owned a butcher shop. I was like, I didn't say I want to go and work in the butcher shop.
I very specifically said I want to go and work in the film industry.
In their mind, because my dad spent until he was 35 working in the shop,
for them that was the life sentence I was giving myself
by not going to university.
This was the opportunity for me to broaden my horizons.
When you're 18, you're told essentially by your teachers and career advisors
that you're planning your life out.
The decision you make about what A-levels you're in,
what university subject you're studying, where you go to university it's all
bullshit it's going to dictate yeah it's going to dictate your set for life or your room for life
and it's not it's not really true no it's not true university gives you the skills to actually
like have a bit of initiative and and a bit of space to play around and fail and but if teachers
and careers advisors didn't at least say that at least pretend that it had importance then everyone would choose to go and study rock music wouldn't they that's the
problem so they're just trying to say look think about it a bit and that's the thing i think with
parents saying in your case baxter look you know if you're going to go and do philosophy
realistically you know we're not saying anything wrong we're going to study philosophy realistically
a possible career option for you is you're just going to spend forever chasing jobs in academia
that don't really exist or do they well they're as much as anything testing your conviction that you want to
do it they're not necessarily it might sound like they're being negative about it but they're
actually just i think as parent i would be like that too i'd be like are you really sure that's
what you want to do all they're doing is preparing you for the long series of no's that you may face
afterwards yeah but also if you're going to an american university baxter then you can kind of move around subjects a bit whereas we had to choose definitely by 17 i had to choose but really
when i chose my gcses at 14 my degree subject was subject genre you'd be moving into yeah
pretty much and therefore it makes more sense to actually do it when you're there so you know you
don't have to be dead set on it but it's good to have limbered them up to that possibility already.
And if you are at an American university,
it probably helps to have a philosophical attitude
towards your finances, certainly.
Because by choosing to go to university,
you are essentially promising to be in debt forever.
Oh, remember when we went to university
and it was essentially free?
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Here's a question from Ed from London in New York,
who says,
Ollie, answer me this.
Who was the first English-stroke British monarch to visit the USA?
Does he think of himself as a king or a queen
on a little journey to the USA?
You want to see if he counts, yeah.
I was really surprised by the answer to this,
because I would have thought,
what with the Brits establishing America
That perhaps at some point
Yeah but we outsourced that
To the Portuguese
I get it but I thought at some point
Maybe Queen Victoria or someone would have gone over there
On some sort of visit
But no, the first monarch to go to the USA
Was George VI
Wow
And the Queen Mum when she was the Queen, 1939.
So George VI was the one who stepped in after the abdication, right?
Yeah, King's Speech guy, stuttery dude.
Stuttery.
Colin Firth went to America.
Colin Firth went to America with Helena Bonham Carter.
The Queen's Dad.
The Queen's Dad was the first one to go to America,
which is surprising, isn't it?
I mean, I know, don't get me wrong,
I know that they declared independence from us,
so there's going to be a bit of a tetchy issue there for a while.
I think there was bad blood for, you know...
Hundreds of years.
Yeah, hundreds of years.
But also, transatlantic travel was a real mission.
Yeah.
And it probably took more time than they could afford out of their day job.
Do you think it was in the 39th because the war had broken out
and they thought it was probably a bit safer there?
Yeah, no.
Let's go on a long holiday.
I miss eggs, let's go over there and get some.
No, but it was, of course, related to the war it was exactly it was actually fdr invited them over
seeing that we were about to become a country fighting against hitler when everyone else was
succumbing and realizing that the us and the uk might have aligned interests you thought what
cheer you up as a night out at the rockets there were some hot dogs actually wow and a hot dog
banquet on his cottage lawn.
Really?
Yeah.
Just hot dogs?
No, no, no.
There were other things,
but they were all very American-type things.
Turkey and cranberry sauce,
that sort of thing.
But, yeah,
it was a bit of a scandal at the time
because the papers were running op-ed pieces
saying,
this is no way to treat a royal
because, obviously,
the Americans always love the royals
because they haven't got any.
Were the royals eating hot dogs
with their hands?
They'd probably never touched food
with their hands before.
There is, of course, no photo evidence of the Queen with a sausage in her hand because they didn't do that sort of thing in 1939 i bet the queen mother would have been great at that though
she would have been wearing uh like pastel kid gloves with this like dripping hot dog in her
hand like she was probably wearing one of those hats in the shape of a hot dog with the mustard
sauce on it and everything she was very game she was wearing a chip and dip as a hat she was styling the queen mom she loved it because she wrote a letter which
we do have i mean when i say we i mean the nation not me um which wrote a letter to queen mary
saying oh the americans have such an informal sense of style and in their country homes quite
like the english so yeah she bloody loved it spring break um so yeah so they went over to uh
to see fdr and elena and that was the first in 1939 and
that was the beginning essentially of what we now call the special relationship and i didn't realize
that was that recent either i knew that obviously the second world war was really the thing that the
presidents and the prime ministers are referring to when they talk about a special relationship but
i thought that had cemented a longer relationship actually no british monarch had gone there till 1939 it's a fairly recent thing yeah because the first british
person to set foot in the usa happened a few years after columbus but before the year 1500
what did you just look around and be like oh god cold beer whatever back on the ship
they haven't put in disney yet the other thing as well of course is there were sensitivities
around the fact that the king who just abdicated had done so because he was going to marry an American divorcee.
Yes.
So back home in Britain, it didn't necessarily play that well that they were going over to America because an American in the eyes of the British press had just nearly brought down the royal family.
So that actually was quite a bold thing for George VI to do.
He was like, ah, fuck it, what are they going to do? Maybe abdicate
doubt it. I want a hot dog
If I have to go all the way
to America to get it I will. Is that all
they did? No they did a bunch of other stuff as well. What else
did they do? Tea at the British Embassy that kind of thing. Tea at the
British Embassy? What? That's like being at home
that's rubbish. I know. It's like when Clinton
came here and went to McDonald's with Kevin Spacey
do you remember that? But then there are national differences
between the McDonald's's so maybe if he was doing it maybe if he'd been
doing a global comparative study of all the places he had to go it was a weird thing it was it was at
the labour party conference i mean it was blair spacey and clinton went for a burger at mcdonald's
where was the labour party conference brighton or blackpool somewhere like that right because
brighton there are lots of different places to eat blackpool not so many choices doesn't matter
it should have been fish and chips shouldn't it it's in the uk i mean obviously the message it
was sending was hey we're two left-leaning men of the people but i mean you know that was clearly
skewed towards clinton wasn't it going to the mcdonald's didn't benefit blair doing that well
i think we'd all benefit right now from a little intermission which today is from answer me this
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Tim in New Cross says,
Helen, answer me this.
How did the fonts on Microsoft Word get their names?
What a fascinating subject Tim raises.
I'd love to meet Tim.
Times New Roman, Ariel, Garamond.
Is it just the whimsical fancy of Bill Gates?
He's not really a whimsical man, is he?
The man who invented windows.
Don't wish to be unfair.
The man who said, I spot a trend here, let's ruthlessly commercialise it.
That's not very whimsical.
Garamond is actually really, really old.
The inventor, Claude Garamond, he was born in 1480.
You're blowing my mind.
It's like you're going to tell me That Louis XVI invented clip art
It's possible
So what about Times New Roman?
Oh that was invented in 1931
When a famous typographer
Called Stanley Morrison
Wrote to the Times newspaper
Saying your font is ugly
And your paper's a mess
And they said alright
Design us a better one
Really?
Their previous font was called
Times Old Roman
Presumably it was based on
Roman fonts Yeah And so they got Times New Roman. Presumably it was based on Roman fonts.
And so they got Times New Roman.
I went out with a font once.
Go on.
She wasn't my type.
Martin's done a funny.
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Hello, Nollie. Answer me this. I've been made redundant. I'm in hiding in PrEP. What should I do?
Well, firstly, don't pull off an orange juice heist like Olly Mann would do in PrEP.
Then you have a criminal record, potentially, as well as no job.
Just because you've been made redundant
that's not an excuse for crime.
I presume the situation you're in
is you've just been told
you're going to lose your job.
It's not like you've literally lost it just now.
You've been told you're going to lose it
in a month or two months or whatever.
Oh, we don't know.
What I presume is that it's happened
just before this call
rather than they are now redundant
after serving their month.
Precisely.
I presume she's gone to prep
because it's that moment where you think,
I don't know what to do with myself.
If I stay in the office, I'm going to cry
or I'm going to say something I shouldn't.
So I'm going to just leave
and go and sort myself out.
And have a baguette.
And have a baguette.
Which I can identify with
because it's happened to me twice.
Really?
Yeah, I've been made redundant twice.
When?
The first time was my first ever job.
It was a department at ITV
that we both worked for for a bit.
But the thing is,
obviously because it was my first job, I was only 21 years old, the whole thing was a bit of an adventure you know what i mean that's how i felt about it i was like oh i'm getting fired is that
what this is like and i sort of write this down exactly it was a bit like that you're looking
around the people in their 30s who had mortgages and children who were you know a bit devastated
by life yeah and i was thinking i actually can't identify with that at this stage of my life because
i'm just thinking,
oh, well, I'll just get another job.
Yeah.
But nonetheless,
even though there were people in that office who were taking the news very badly
because our department was being closed down.
Oh, so everyone was getting made redundant.
Everyone was.
Slightly different circumstance then.
It was slightly different.
But there was a pret quite close by.
There was.
Enough room for everyone.
We didn't go there.
We went to the pub.
And I think that is the thing
that British people would do when they're just told that all of them are going to lose their
job collectively all go to the pub it was actually quite a fun evening out yes the second time was
when i was a researcher at the culture show at the bbc which at the time was kind of my dream job
loved it and again my expectation would be that i'd stay there for i thought i was quite good at
my job you thought you were there forever i did but you were wrong and it's different because I was being told personally they didn't want to
renew my contract it wasn't everyone's fired because they're in the department it was we've
looked at our budget for next year and we've chosen not to re-employ you so that is a lot
harder to deal with because as I say I thought I was quite good at my job and I suppose I could
tell myself or maybe it's because I'm slightly more expensive than the other people who do my job because i'm a few years older yeah
but really i knew that if they really liked me they would have made a case to keep me so i thought
okay they've you know they have chosen someone else over me it was just a contract that never
happened to you before never as an only child yeah it was just a contract my contract ended
yeah and they didn't renew it but like i said it's an ongoing show it's still on now so i could
have expected to still be working on it that is a slightly softer blow i think than redundancy
because when you know your contract's up for renewal in six months or a year there must be
a part of you that's like well it's probable that i'll stay here but i might not that's true but at
least if you've been made redundant from a staff job you get redundancy pay yes like obviously i
was being told that i'm gonna lose my job and not get paid anything for that so you couldn't go on a pret spree with all that sweet money well actually
what i did do which i'm not advising you to do but i did uh is i couldn't face anyone in the office
you smashed everything up i just thought i don't want to be the guy that's looking for sympathy
about this but i can't just sit at my desk and not reflect on the fact that i've just had a
conversation with everyone's boss about how they're not going to renew my contract so i i just couldn't
be in the office it was about three o'clock in the afternoon
I made an excuse as to why I had to go into town you know I need to go and pick something up or
whatever and I went and I went on a shopping spree which is a really weird thing for me to do because
I'm not even into shopping particularly but I went to Liberty and I bought a camel colored duffel
coat for 350 pounds wow that was that's an investment that's incredibly stupid yeah I mean
the shopping thing it makes sense because it's an element of control That's incredibly stupid. I mean, the shopping thing, it makes sense
because it's an element of control, isn't it?
You've got control over things and you get to treat yourself.
I can sleep under a bridge in this coat.
But you're saying I should have probably, you know,
gone to Byron and got a burger rather than spent 350.
Yeah, or got some video games or CDs, but not.
I don't know, because Ollie still wears that coat.
Anyway, I mean, it was a nice coat and it did make me feel better.
I mean, I should have regretted it and I couldn't really afford it at the time nice coat and it did make me feel better. I mean, I should have regretted it
and I couldn't really afford it at the time,
but actually it did make me feel better
about losing my job.
I thought, well,
I won't be working for the BBC anymore,
but I will have a nice coat.
I think Anonymous Lady Who Called from Pret,
at the risk of sounding like Perez Hilton here,
you need to own this.
You don't need to be defined by it.
You know, you have just been made redundant.
You need to, as Martin was saying,
you need to take control.
Get yourself a hot redundancy wardrobe.
I think, don't let it define you in the office.
Don't let it be that everyone knows that the only thing that's interesting about you
for the last few weeks is that you've been made redundant.
Yeah.
Talk to a few select people about it, but people you really trust.
Also be strategic.
If you want to get another job in a similar field, now is the time to milk those contacts.
Yes, exactly.
Milk the contacts, get some sympathy, but don't be a sad sack if you go around draining everyone about it
you've got to turn it into a positive because that's how you'll have to feel anyway if you're
unemployed and looking for a job so start thinking positive about it now i think unemployment what am
i doing next yeah don't think about what you've lost a whole world awaits you but at the moment
you can just have as many sandwiches as you can eat um by 350 pounds
worth of sandwiches in the very short term um i would go from pret maybe go to the cinema in the
afternoon because when you're unemployed that is the thing you're allowed to do and it's a glorious
thing for a while it is a brilliant thing so that will feel like a treat as well as the best
afternoon cinema treat you've ever given yourself oh there are loads i
really i've got an instant number one i know what it is yeah okay all right on my 30th birthday
i met my friend amy for lunch in brixton and then i went on my own to see the original
girl with the dragon tattoo the swedish one i didn't know anything about it happy happy happy
no but i didn't know anything about it so I was like gosh this is thrilling and also vile
it was in screen 5
at the Ritzy
which is like having
your own private cinema
because it's all armchairs
that recline a bit
with a little table
next to them
and no one else is there
if the next part
of this story is
I then went into
the screen next door
and watched another film
that's not just
the best cinema treat ever
that's the best treat ever
I then went into town
and Martin proposed
so there was a downer
on the day
but still
not bad
yeah the second best one is when after guardian
media talk i walked uh i had a nice walk uh up to the islington voo and i went to see hunger games
again not knowing anything about it yeah and because i arrived in the dark i sat in one of
the deluxe seats despite my ordinary ticket i do that as well but not deliberately that's a steal
difference between us no no i think that that is a steal it's okay to get away with because once
the film has started in fact because i always i always miss the trailers i was walking as the film because once the film has started, because I always miss the trailers,
I was walking as the film starts.
Once the film started, if those seats are empty,
no one is losing out by you not paying for that seat.
I wouldn't have paid for the seat.
It was pretty empty.
Again, there were about five people there.
So I think we were all,
even though we weren't going to talk to each other,
we were all like, yeah, daytime cinema club.
This is cool.
Yeah, it is cool, isn't it?
I went just a few weeks ago to see two films in the same day.
Lovely, a double bill.
A double bill in the afternoon
which wasn't
it was good
and it was two very
different films as well
I went to see
The Imitation Game
and then Leviathan
what's Leviathan about
it's a Russian film
about bleakness
that doesn't sound
like your cup of tea
yeah it made me feel
comparatively better
about myself
I suppose
my best ever
cinema afternoon treat
was when I went to
see Jurassic Park
at the IMAX
in 3D last year
wow
amazing in the afternoon like the fact it was in 3D last year. Wow. Amazing.
In the afternoon.
Like the fact it was in the afternoon and it reminded me of childhood was what was amazing.
I thought we really get to do that because I've got a proper job.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
And that was the other great thing.
I was on a work day.
I was on my way into work.
It was an afternoon.
How much is a ticket?
That'll be £17.50.
Did I think that's outrageous?
No, I thought I'm fully employed and I'm at the cinema in the afternoon.
I can afford it.
I'm fucking serious.
Just because you can afford it doesn't mean it's not a bit of a rip it made the floor
there's ever so sticky it made it so amazing and i'd forgotten so many things about jurassic park
like samuel l jackson is in it yeah he's got the cigarette and he smokes in it yeah yeah which
wouldn't happen now would it's his character basically is this he has like an endless cigarette
yeah this is clenched in his middle of his dialogue that's true and in jurassic world i
bet no one smokes no one will smoke in Jurassic World. Unless there's an evil
one. Unless they're evil, yeah. It was the five obstructions.
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Here's a question from Anonymous from Manchester,
who says, I sleep naked and have done so for years,
since before I went to university, so over 10 years.
Okay, thank you for emphasising the length of time.
I really needed to know how long,
so I thought, oh, eight years, not committed.
Let me be clear.
Fine, probably habit for life.
Since boys to men will last in the charts.
Over 10 years.
I have got so used to sleeping naked that I struggle to sleep with clothes on,
for example, when I'm staying over at a friend's, etc.
It's interesting that you do make that decision.
You know that it's going to be seen as a bit kooky
or a bit distasteful to be naked in bed
when someone might walk in and see you.
It feels a bit wrong when you're on away territory. But theoretically, at any point, someone might walk in and see you or just it feels a bit wrong when you're on away territory but theoretically at any point someone might walk in and see you wherever you
are when you're in a hotel being burgled yeah exactly have some respect for the thief things
during this time of sleeping naked i have got married over 10 years over 10 years since grand
theft auto 3 over 10 years during that time since jamelia's superstar was a big hit
My wife has always been fine with it
We now have three kids
My three year old son has got to an age
Where he gets up out of bed on his own in the morning
Sometimes before anyone else is up
And he comes into our room to wake us up
To join us in our bed
Or he wants to go to the toilet
I see the issue
I see where this is going
For obvious reasons
I always find it uncomfortable lying naked in bed
When he jumps into bed with us Or if I have to get up i have to move the covers
so he doesn't see anything yeah but actually being haunted by an image of my father's penis
was one of my first memories sharing a bath with him it's an informative memory for everyone when
you're three it's just normal because you don't have that kind of body shame yeah i think well
it's just curious isn't it yeah if you didn't see it then you'd want to see it when you're older and
that's weirder yeah i definitely would not want to see that now.
I was shocked to see my dad's calves three years ago.
It had been so long.
My son is obviously getting older.
Yes, that's how time works, isn't it?
Over ten years.
None of that Benjamin Button shit.
It's obviously going to make things more uncomfortable,
but I have two younger children who will probably go through similar phases as they grow up.
I really do struggle to sleep with clothes on.
Really?
Yes. Really? I really do struggle, Ollie.llie okay why must you question me all the time i really bloody struggle i thought about googling
it but the word sleeping naked in children would automatically send interpol and my5 around to my
house so ollie answer me this what should i do sleep with an apron on because then you're free
and easy but you're covered at emergency times
that's obviously ludicrous helen i think what he should do uh is work his way up uh from i mean
perhaps start very small like a feather or some kind of sheath uh but then work upwards to pajama
shorts i think the thing is what he's thinking is oh i can't sleep with clothes on he's thinking
he's got to wear a t-shirt and long bottoms or some kind of all-in-one or something yeah full-on
pajamas you don't hat all you need is flappy pajama shorts that's it no they're airy they're
not too snug i get claustrophobic in bed i get hot as well you feel more or less like you're naked
but crucially you're not showing anyone your penis i think i have got something which is easier for
him to bear because it does not involve having elastication around his
waist it doesn't involve having seams between his legs which if he's so free and easy he might be
sensitive to it is an old-fashioned night shirt and they do sell them because my brother wears
them he's got some very fun stripy numbers but there you see it's pretty loose and billowy so
it's just like sleeping wrapped in a sheet but no i'd find that a bit hot you don't have to wear
one that is made out of brocade when it goes all the way down to like your knees yeah but when you're in bed it's
just gonna rock up but when your child gets into the bed you can drag it down your body sharpish
here's another question about garments from peter from sheerness who says ollie answer me this
do women really throw knickers at you yes they do sometimes i see people they're clearly listening
to the show whilst they're on the tube and i'll be going up the up escalator, they'll be going down the down escalator
and they'll just whip their pants off and throw them at me.
Tell you what, if you need some pants for free,
just go on Charing Cross Road at 4am when Ollie's getting off air
and there's just a pile under the window, isn't there?
No, he means, do people really throw knickers onto the stage
at Tom Jones and Rod Stewart and others at gigs?
Or is it just a myth?
It definitely happens.
I mean, it's all over YouTube.
But knickers are not very aerodynamic.
Do they put them on a paper aeroplane or anything?
Traditionally, what they do is sort of lasso them around their head
multiple times before letting go.
Yeah, but you've still got to be close to the front, haven't you?
You have, yeah.
I think it's fair to say someone who is going to throw their moistened knickers
at a pop star is probably enough of a fan to be in the first third of the audience.
Well, they hate them so much they shouldn't be at that gig anyway martin was frowning had you always
imagined the knickers to be clean i think it's 50 50 you might buy them on the way there from an m&s
in a station i mean realistically i think tom jones nowadays yes the audience are going to be
bringing uh fresh knickers but i think back in the day well i was just thinking about i mean hey
the dream is like for them to be moistened by sexual arousal and that's the gesture it's not
the knickers are inherently sexy. It's the musk.
But like a big pile of competing musk.
Fuck.
It just doesn't have the same appeal.
This is why bras are probably better
because they're likely to smell less.
You probably get a better lasso action.
And you could give it to someone else.
Exactly.
If it was a nice one,
you could give it as a present to your girlfriend,
couldn't you, if you were Tom Jones?
Whereas knickers,
you wouldn't give someone a second- knickers what happens to tom jones's
knickers do they get swept off stage into some sort of big bin and burn i wonder whether it's
like the royal family's gifts they get redistributed to the needy because you could watch them i mean
how many people in an average tom jones gig ten thousand twenty thousand i went to see tom jones
uh at cheltenham race coursecourse about a year and a half ago.
He was excellent, by the way.
Still got it.
Great voice.
Still able to jump all the jumps.
Yeah, that's an example
of what it sounds like
when a man does a bad
Tom Jones impression.
And how much
knicker throwing was there?
I would say two pairs
in the whole event.
Really?
Yeah.
So not enough to have
a permanent knicker monitor
on charge.
Anyway, Tom Jones
is kind of annoyed now
about the whole knicker thing.
Why?
He doesn't like it anymore because he's trying to do, like,
serious kind of country and gospel albums and he's in his 70s.
Do the Support Act get any as well?
Quite possibly.
They get socks, I think.
Peter adds, if this does happen, why do they do it?
Surely it's a combination of wanting to show your appreciation for the act,
A, and B, in the sort of sordid days of rock and roll,
signalling your availability for creepy sex.
And C, getting a bit of air up there?
No, I think just B, basically.
Oh, really?
Did you write your address on the back of the knickers or anything?
Well, it's a tradition, if you can call it that,
that evolves out of Las Vegas,
where until quite recently Tom Jones played for a week every month
for like 40 years.
Wow.
What happened to make him stop?
Oh, he's an old man.
So?
He just doesn't need it anymore, does he?
You have to remember that Tom Jones started playing Vegas.
He was playing Caesars Palace back in the days
when Elvis was a resident at Vegas as well.
Tom Jones has had quite the life, hasn't he?
And they were mates, as Tom Jones says,
in literally every interview he ever gives.
Well, Elvis is not around to refute that, is he?
That's exactly right, yeah.
Me and Elvis, we used to enjoy a kebab together.
Oh, Tom Jones was always bothering me.
Ah, he was always asking me to go and play mini golf with him.
The thing is, Elvis, obviously,
credited with being the first sort of rock and roll star
to make young women in the audience...
Wear themselves?
Well, like, faint and scream
and throw things like lipstick and things like that at you.
Oh, OK.
They discovered their pelvises thanks to Elvis.
Indeed.
But the thing with Elvis is he always has that kind of...
..undercurrent of, like, he's a good southern Christian boy.
So you wouldn't actually throw erotic paraphernalia at him.
So what would you throw crucifixes
then or something
well no you just
you just scream
and like faint and stuff
like kids do now
for One Direction
that's what happened
with Elvis right
but Tom Jones
was overtly sexualised
like his songs
were about
let's have sex
number one
so is Rod Stewart
by the way
you know
if you want my body
you think I'm sexy
etc
number two
they're British
so it immediately
has an ironic sense
to it as well
yeah
they're more likely to be M&S ironic sense to it as well yeah they're more
likely to be m&s knickers than sexy knickers well yes although in vegas it's the same crowd that
would have gone and seen elvis that went to see tom jones and tom jones apparently he says was
sleeping with 250 groupies a year at his height um so there was a genuine sense of here's my hotel
key come back to my room and And that evolved into knickers.
And I think the reason it stayed knickers...
How? Because that's a different exchange.
He's giving them his hotel key rather than them giving him knickers.
No, no, they used to throw their hotel keys at the stage.
Well, that might hit him in the eye.
Yeah, I don't know if it was pre-plastic cards.
I don't know when Vegas got those.
But anyway, point being, he was there for a long time
and it evolved into a thing.
They might get demagnetised if there's a big pile of them.
It was known that Tom Jones used to sleep with groupies.
Groupies went to see him.
They could go one step further with him than they could with Elvis.
They wanted to show that they were not only a fan of,
because it's normal, isn't it, to like...
Like nowadays, people will throw a big inflatable
from the audience up towards Justin Timberlake or whatever.
And it's just that sense that he's touched something belonging to you
is what they want. Whereas obviously, if you're throwing. And it's just that sense that he's touched something belonging to you is what they want.
Whereas obviously if you're throwing that,
it's quite an intimate connection.
And basically the very first time it happened,
apparently he picked it off the stage
and mopped his brow with it and made a joke out of it.
And he said in interviews since
that that's what he regrets doing 45 years ago.
Because now every time it happens,
he has to play along with it.
But actually inside he's like,
fuck you, I'm singing a gospel song.
But now that he's a bit older, songs about jesus now that he's a bit
older though he could just pretend that he hadn't seen the knickers because his eyesight's going
yeah i suppose he could yeah this one like hits him in the face but i think in a way it's good
that it's one of the things people say about tom jones because if i was him i'd rather it was that
than either that i look like a cream egg that someone's drawn a face on it or that I'm on a shit TV show.
I'd rather people talked about knickers.
I reckon this might go back a lot further, though, than Elvis, because you have the precedent of people pelting bad acts with fruit.
True.
And little stones and stuff like that.
So maybe to show praise, they would pelt you with nice fruit that wasn't rotten.
Yes.
Nice stones.
I see what you mean.
I think, though, in the modern concert-going experience,
there's a lot of stuff that isn't traceable
back to anything beyond rock and roll.
So, for example, holding your lighter in the air,
now your mobile phone,
that is something that has only been around
since probably the 70s.
No!
What about all the flaming torches and stuff
when people were... When they climbed around at when people were the fool used to ask people regularly in king lear we're gonna do hey nonny nonny
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