anything goes with emma chamberlain - a talk with owen thiele [video]

Episode Date: June 29, 2023

[video available on spotify] today we're going to be talking to one of my best friends, owen thiele. i am so excited to be interviewing a friend today because i just think it's gonna be a total hoot. owen and i have a lot in common: we're both only children, we have anxiety about the same things, we tend to like the same people… i absolutely adore him. owen is an incredible comedian and an incredible actor, and if you want to see owen in a movie, mark your calendar for july 14th and go see theater camp. okay, now we can welcome owen thiele to the stage. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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right now. Which you are. I start feeling a little rumbling. The sprinting was over. I like go to walk. And I burp a little bit. Oh, and oh, me oh, I can't believe this is real. Oh, me oh flies out of my nose on the right now. Wait, are you serious? This is not a fucking joke.

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So you just continue the work out as if nothing literally the music like You have like oatmeal all over yourself. You're like I'm just gonna keep running I'm just gonna do weights now. Yes. Three pounds or four. That's what I did. I'm in hell. I don't know, I don't know. I just, I knew that someone had to know about this. It's been hard for me the last 24 hours.

Well, yeah, have you told anyone this? Just my mom and dad. And what did they say? They're nervous for you. Yeah, they're nervous. They're like, no one could believe that this was real. Have I told you my soul's like a story? No, please tell me.

Oh, please tell me. Oh my God, I used to be obsessed with soul's like. Me too. No, no, no, like before class, before high school, I would literally drive to soul's like a six a.m. Do a class. Okay, I was so obsessed because I loved this teacher. I secretly had a crush on him.

I would do it. Of course. Because you have to have a crush on your soul cycle teachers. That is the only point. Totally. 100%. They would try to make me go to the... You need to make sexy eye contact.

Exactly. Yeah. My friends would try to make me go to this woman named Gina, who's a great teacher. She's one of the best. But I was like, no, I can't have a crush on her. So I can't go. No, I was like, this is impossible.

So anyways, I would literally go at 6am, do my day, and then I had theater after school. So it was like three to six theater, you know what I mean? No, not to brag. Or anything, but I was in theater. And then I would go to an 830 class. OK, so I think I was addicted to soul cycle. But this was like a month in my life.

This wasn't like, it sounds really unhealthy and toxic, and it probably was. But like, for a month, you can be unhealthy and toxic. Like, if it continued, I think everyone would have been nervous. So I was doing this. Okay. I, this was at the 830 class. I had eaten all my meals, all, you know,

eaten great things. Like my school had breakfast burritos, like really gorgeous things. So I was just like picking out all day every day. That night, 830 came around. My stomach was a little weird. I think the breath was burrito, like did something to me,

but I didn't really, I kind of ignored it. I was like, whatever, you know, this is, I need to be here. I need, you need, I needed to be at this class to flirt with this guy. You didn't know I existed. You know that they saw you on the list. 100%.

And it's like, now there's like this expectation, like, oh, if I don't show up, like that's like almost like not showing up today. It literally goes to the day. No, it's a date. It's a date with 60 people. Yeah. If the date with 60 people,

you've never met before and you're sweating. So I'm now sitting, I've now, you kind of move up, you like are sitting third row, second row, first row. As you go so often that you kind of, you keep having to move up. You know what I'm saying? You level up. So this guy at a crush on asked me to be on podium, which means that he wanted me to take his place on the podium and he was just going to walk around. It's literally like you're instructing the class at that point. Yes, exactly. Like you were at the front of the room. Exactly.

Yeah, no. And he was like, I think you deserve it. I was like today, like my stomach's a little, he was like, you're fine. Like you own you. How many times have you done this? I was like today, my stomach's a little, he was like, you're fine. You own, how many times have you done this? I was like, you're right, like 60 times. I've done this a million times. I can do this. So I got on podium. He had a, I think he had like, sprained his ankle, that's why he couldn't do it.

So I was like, I can do this. And I had a crush on him. So I was like, I got you. You know what I mean? And there's like sexy, sweet way. He had no idea what was happening. Well, you have to be like the cool hot. Totally.

I was like, this is crazy. I was like this is crazy Okay, you know, yeah, I guess it's fine. Yeah, exactly literally. Yeah, so again on podium music is blasting It's like something bad like some bad music is playing always a bad remix of like a good song All they play at 100% we need to figure out why that is I know it actually sets me We need to figure out why that is. I know, it actually upsets me. It really gets back to that. We'll get back to that. So, I'm now on podium.

I would say 15 minutes into the class. I'm farting at this point. But I'm like, just, and you know what? Oh my god, this is going to be graphic. But you know what? You think something's going to happen? You think you're going to shit yourself, but but you don't and you're so thankful. So I fart a little and I'm like, here it comes,

and nothing happens, and I was like, I'm a king. I was like, I manipulated my body into just farting. I'm like, this is iconic. So I'm riding, riding, riding, riding, and then another fart happens, and it's now, I'm like, I think it happened. But that was not sure. So I was kind of going with my hands

a little bit underneath my seat to see if I feel anything, nothing. So I was like, I'm a king, okay. And the class, it reeks. It's starting to reek on stage. And I was like, I fully shit myself. Like, I know for a fact I shit myself. So literally stretching is happening,

to happening. And like, you know what teachers judge you when you don't stretch? They're like, if you have to leave, leave now. You don't even do that? So I'm on podium, so I'm like, I do it. You're leading the stretch. I'm leading the stretch.

So I was like, I'm so sorry, I look at him. I'm like, I just have to go. He was like, like, gave me a look. And I was like, that's the end of our relationship. Not everyone in our relationship. But I've shit myself, right? So after I go out, tiny little smear of something, totally fine.

I mean, really embarrassing, but totally fine. I was like, no one knows. My friends in front row came up to me and they go, you shot yourself during class? Yeah, after I thought I got away, but they were like, it reaked. They were like, what happened? And by the way, the teacher doesn't work there anymore,

not because of me, but I see him a lot because he lives near me, so he's always walking his dog. But I feel like I have to be like, but I'm just, by the way, I just need to apologize for like a year and a half ago, like when I shit myself and push out myself in front of you. But I also don't know if he, I mean, he probably knows, but. What do you think I should do about this?

I mean, honestly, like, I think you just kind of play dumb. Like if you like go up to him and you're still a little flirty, sorry Jared. No, I have to be flirty. But I mean, it's fine, Jared. I have to be flirty. Jared, it's literally fine.

Literally me just looking into the camera. Jared, I have to be flirty. Jared, it's fine. This time it's fine. If you just like are so hot still, and you like play that character, then he's like, there's no way that he should. I want another bodily function to happen

when I'm talking to him now. Like I want to be like, hey, and then like just pee myself. You know what I mean? Or just throw up? No, you should do it in those throw up. It's not really good. Totally with oatmeal.

It would, with, with an overnight oats, just like out of mind, pouring out of my mouth. I can't believe, like, that's really, I'm so sorry that happened to you. No, I'm so sorry that happened to you. I can't, I feel like we're together. Well, I feel like we're together. No, I feel like, okay, I feel like mine's more embarrassing,

but I feel like yours is weirder. Do you know what I mean? I feel like if you ask me, how many people shit themselves in Soul Cycle? I feel like some people would say, oh, I want to almost shit myself in Soul Cycle, I feel like some people would say oh I've almost shit myself in Soul Cycle and that Mary's at every workout class. I've at least Almost shit myself. It's not had a little smear the the the kind of nose full of oatmeal is shocking staggering in the Weird

You know what I mean? It's like wow. It's a little bit. It's it's strange. It's so Great like it's so crazy. Yeah. Okay, we need to explain to everyone how our brains are the same. So yeah. We have the same brain, like, when I... No, I think you're like a long lost sister twin. You're my twin. No, I know, and we look so alike,

which is like, just like every time I see you, I'm like, okay, twin. What? I was like, I went with long hair. I was like, what's happening here? Everyone says that to me. No, I know we are twins. No, we are twins.

But no, like we, the things that we're paranoid about, like we have the same sources of anxiety and we're like, we're freaked out about the same things. We're wired the same way. It's insane, the way that we're on a social level, on an anxiety level, on every level, we are the same. I mean, I know, have you ever met anyone, like when I met you and you were talking about the same anxieties as me?

Yes. I was like, it's nuanced. It's not just like, oh we're anxious about friends in this way and this way. Like it's the same nuance. You know what I mean? And then I texted them. It's like, why'd you text?

Cause only we would text them. You know what I'm saying? Yes. We are, it's weird. Well, like I feel like some of them. I'm trying to think about like a good examples of like things we do. Like, we'll play tag. I give one the new, give one.

Okay, when I think of us, I think of, well, I think of number one, we are so afraid of people being mad at us. We think everyone's mad at us. Speaking of that, I think multiple people are mad at me right now. Interesting. So do I. Of course. Well, I mean, I always care. It's a mad at me. No, I. They've been into my text. I think in an hour. No, I literally. Okay, for me, it's like, it's like not people though that I'm close with. Like, I think like people like other people in this industry just hate me.

Totally. And that's true. I just, and more friends, but you're like they despise me. But I'm like, I think that they hate me recently. What I'm trying to figure out is why do we care that people are mad? For me, it's out of fear that they will retaliate against me

and ruin my life somehow. But like in a way that's unfair. Do you know what I'm saying? I totally get that. See, hearing you say it, I'm like, that's just anxiety. Nobody hates you, everyone loves you. But like, I feel that way too.

Do you know what I mean? I mean, deep, yeah, 100%. I'm nervous about not being at the table and people being like, oh, and. I know. I know. I know. That's what I'm nervous about.

I know. But all scary. I've come to a point now as somebody who enjoys gossip. To an extent? Okay. Not like gossip in like a within the safe space. You know this 100 But I think that's healthy. I can again it completely agree like I because I find a level of gossip and analysis about other people as beneficial totally I

Have now come to a place where I like accept the fact that I am also the topic of some of these. I just like wonder what people are saying about me. I would do anything. I know I would die to be a fly on the wall, but also like, would we? Like we just have to be confident. I mean, this is also like what my therapist says to me, which I like, I'm hearing during therapy and then after I'm like, ignore.

Do you know what I mean? But we, why do we want that? Why do we want to know what people are saying about us? Is this so narcissistic? Please. I don't know exactly what someone would be saying about me. Like, I can't. No, I don't think that's narcissistic at all.

I mean, that's like, the opposite of narcissism. Being like, what would someone say about me? I can't pinpoint it. That's like, what? We should guess. Let's both really, as a therapeutic activity. I know what people are say about me? I can't pinpoint it. That's like, that's all there is to get on. We should guess. Let's both really, as a therapeutic activity. Let's both try, what are people saying about you?

I think they're saying I'm flaky. When are you flaky, oh. Like when I don't wanna hang out with people, I get flaky. Yeah, but that's just being like, I don't want to right now. Like that's totally fine. Totally.

When anyone cancels plans on me, I'm like, even if I fucking adore the person, it could be my parents. Totally. Okay, like the people I just absolutely adore the most. Yeah. And I'd be like, honestly, like thank God. Like I'm gonna totally have a great night.

I've established that early on in our relationship. Absolutely. If you need to cancel this cancel, we don't care. Don't care. And it early on in our relationship. We're like, if you need to cancel, just cancel. We don't care. Don't care. And it's also like not personal. Totally. I think the reason why either of us could come off as flaky

because we both have this in common is because when somebody says, like, hey, do you want to do this? We're so afraid of being like, no. So we're like, I'm, yes! Like we want to just be like, yes, always, yes. Totally. Because we don't want to kill divide. I'm getting better about this because I'm like,

because I can't do it anymore. Like I figured out that canceling later is more stressful than canceling up front. I know, you've taught me this. Yeah, because just honestly for a selfish reason less stressful. No, it's way less stressful and it's way less like dynamics to deal with And then you're apologizing. I don't want to live my life apologizing. No. Okay, how do you think people talk shit about me? Like I'm trying to think of somebody I know who doesn't like me, right?

Like I don't know anybody who doesn't like you, but I'm also like, I love you. You're a very good friend of mine and I'm a fan of yours. I don't know. I don't know. So I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

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But there will be a point where I'll hit a wall with like being overly nice, or like being overly like agreeable with them, and I'll hit a point where I'm like, no, I'm putting my foot down now, and I'm actually like not gonna be as nice because I like actually run out and it takes a lot for me to get to this point, but then I will run out and then I can get really cold

but I think it can happen really fast and people are like, what the fuck? People are shocked. But it doesn't happen a lot and usually it's like, I would argue from my POV, it's justified and necessary and also very much deserved. But I think it would be like she turns into a fucking cold batch fat. But I think that's a boundary. You know what I mean? It's just like because you put up

a boundary. Well, maybe it's also like in comparison to how I was before because I my like baseline is like, okay, I'm over, I overdo it if anything. Totally. With my, you know, trying to make everyone feel good and, you know, comfortable and all of this, even if I'm faking it at times, because I prefer to fake it than to be. Totally. Like, I'd rather, I think it's actually good to fake it sometimes. I mean, I think like being fake is a different thing than putting it's more devious. Yeah, it's like it's it's it's

It's devious. I know I think it is I think Being like nice to people to just make sure everyone feels good is That's like a people pleaser. That's like a people pleaser and that's also just like I don't know. I think it's rooted in wanting to do the right thing, whereas I think when you're like, when you're fake, it's like there's a devious intent. Do you know what I mean? You're not ever turning your back

being like, what a bitch. You know what I mean? Like, you, her dress. How comforting is this to know? This is probably what people are saying about us. How bad is it, Rulu? It's actually not that bad. I'm flaky and you're cold sometimes.

Okay. That's actually really nice. That's actually, I want them to say it more. I know, like I'm a flaky gorgeous pastry. And you're cold piece of something to live. You're just a cold little cute, I swear. You're a cucumber. I'm a little, a cool little cute ice cube. You're a cucumber. I love that little cute little cucumber.

You're a cool as a cucumber. No, I actually don't think it's that bad. I think there's probably more things that like middle America would say about me like being like black and gay with acrylic nails. You know they're projecting. No, I know. No, I know.

And they're like, damn, the skin color is so rich. They're like, I just need to come to LA, my love. I think people in middle America who are like racist or homo-vergore or whatever should just come to LA, get a little tan, go to the nail salon. Feel good. Feel good. It's so crazy that when you feel good,

you just don't really care about what anyone else is doing. I know, it actually is true. It's kind of like pretty easy. I know. That's what it's really rooted in. It's like if you don't feel good, then you get a little nasty. Then you get a little nasty. Yeah, then you get a little nasty. But see, remind me of, then you get a little, oh, Raven Simone and that's a Raven. I'm loving her. I've been watching a lot of that's a Raven. Okay, listen, no, do you know what I want to hear about?

What? I think people romanticize the idea of being an actor and going to shoot a movie and, you know, being somewhere like unusual or not. Totally. Or live or whatever. Like, even I romanticize it as somebody who has never been in any type of acting film project really at all. Like, I think even I romanticized this idea of being an actor, because since we're young, we're like, oh, it's so glamorous. But I don't think it is, because the more I hear stories from

from people who are actors and talk to you, I'm like, this doesn't actually sound that glitz and glam or like, what's it like living that life? That's an interesting question because I feel like I'm so lucky to just be an actor. Like I get to go to a place and Act all day and go into a Most of the time I don't have trailers because that's for like the Jennifer Anestas Or like a trailer like a room Like you don't do room and eat my food and whatever and then go act again like a dream literally a dream

But I do think going to unusual places being alone With people you don't know. You're making friends, but sometimes you're not really making friends. Sometimes it's awkward. Sometimes you don't want to make friends. Yeah. I think it's hard sometimes.

And I know that sounds insane, but I agree. I think I'm like, sometimes it's really taxing. No, that sounds crazy because it's like, Oh, and shut up. You get to like, you get driven to set. You know what I mean? Like, I'm like, someone comes up to me and it's like, do you want a coffee and I'm like, would love one with coffee, mate.

You know what I mean? Like, it's not that, like, yes, fuck you. But I also understand, like, I think you can be grateful for it and understand how like, awesomely you're there, but and understand how like, awesome it is. You're there, but also to acknowledge like, okay, it's like very isolating.

Like to me, the way I perceive it is. Okay, number one, you're lonely because you're kind of in the middle of nowhere because I rarely hear about a movie or a show being shot in like New York City or Dallas, Texas, like some place that's like where there's a lot of people. I feel like I always hear about it happening. I mean sometimes shot in LA for sure. Yeah, or Atlanta or yeah. But like, I don't know. I feel like I hear a lot about, oh, you know, I have to go to Portugal for six months in

the middle of nowhere. Oh, I have to go to a rural area in Canada for three months. It almost feels like you're quarantining. Totally. Well, it is. You know what I mean? I love how you're asking me about this. It's like, I've been in three productions.

I've been in three things. So it's like, well, well, well. That's enough though to know with the, because I also think it's actually good because you still remember life before, like what you thought it was gonna be like. Totally. And then you know now what it is like.

So you have like a very balanced view of what it truly is. Well, also no one knows me on set. I feel like if you're like very famous and you walk in or famous at all and you walk in, people are like, let me make it the best experience. And for me, it's a little different. That being said, like,

the sets that I've been on have mostly been with my friends. So I've been really lucky because it's been like, even if I, even if I am alone, and I, like, you also as an actor, you're milking it, right? So like, I'm alone in North Carolina and I have a rental car that they gave me. And it's just like, I'm just like, this is horrible. I'm just driving around crying to a Dell or Taylor Swift

or whatever, being like, this is my life, and getting and call me, like, we come in for a fitting, it's like, a fitting, like, it's just like, show not that bad, and then you get to set in with your friends. So like, okay, so it actually, it's like a fitting. Like it's just like show not that bad and then you get to set in with your friends. So like, okay, so it actually sounds like the best job ever. No, like I'm very lucky, but I do think like getting here,

like even doing, getting onto a set is also the hard part. You know what I'm saying? Totally. Additionally is hell. You rarely get anything. Yeah. And most of the notes are like, you'll catch them next time.

You know what I mean? We went in a different direction. It's like, and you're looking at the screen. And it's like, I'm a black gay man. And they went with like, you. You don't know what I mean? And you're like, oh no. Well, yeah, you went in a totally different direction.

It's like, yeah. Why did I audition for this? We're gonna pick a woman. But it's also like, why'd you waste my time? So that's upsetting and I feel like that gets to you a little. Feeling like you wasted your time. Yeah, and also feeling like it's just not gonna happen. Like you're like, one is this,

is this ever gonna happen for me? Yes, yes. Like that. And then so when you do get to a set, I think I've been in that mindset for so long that when I do get to a set, I'm so grateful. And I'm like, yeah. I don't care if I'm alone. I'll go to outback every meal Yes, thank God. I'm alone on a set

You know what I mean? Yes, so I romanticize in in that way, but I do think like The Jennifer Aniston's and Timothy Shalam is of the world You're having a delicious time on set. I know I wonder if they are though No, they probably aren't because they also are expected to do a lot of the world. You're having a delicious time on set. I know. I wonder if they are though. No, they probably aren't because they also are expected to do a lot. It's maybe it's just hard. There's going to be a challenge, no matter if you're beyond say or whatever. And then more is expected of you than you're carrying the movie because you're the face of the movie. I'm lucky. I was in a show called Doll Face and I was played the assistant of a wonderful

actress named Cat Dennings and I would just kind of come in and say a line, a weird line, funny line. And then I, she'd be like, okay, bye. And I'd be like, bye. Like literally, it was like one little and I was, it was great. You know what I mean? I wasn't carrying it. I could be myself. Yeah. But she was exhausted because she's carrying the show. But I'm also fascinated by acting because I think there's like two types. There's like acting as you.

So going on, just gonna say. That's what I was just gonna say. Going in a movie and being you. And then there's going and being a completely different character. Are you more excited about being you in a movie and being you and then there's going and being a completely different character. Are you more excited about being you in a movie? Are you more excited about being a character, even if it's just a little bit of character? I never, like, there's a movie coming out in July called Theater Camp that I'm in that

I made with my friends, Cassmyne, which is so nice, I could literally made them pass me into, it's like, nepotism but like with my friends. I, anyways, that I had to play a camp counselor. I was the costume designer. Mm-hmm. I don't, I like fashion, but I like know about fashion. You know what I mean? So I had to play this like bitchy kind of costume designer,

which felt not like me, but also it was just me. Like I played it as myself. Yeah. So it's this interesting thing where it's like I've only, the things that I've done, I've really only kind of played versions of me. Well, you can kind of make any character, you kind of have to pull from your own. 100%. I had a lot of traits in a way.

Like I think you'd be really a whole different style of acting to like create an entirely new character, but then that's why you see somebody like Austin Butler still talking like Elvis. Because you could really become the character to a point where it's like, oh my God, I can't turn it off because it's like at what point, it kind of actually just becomes you in a way.

Because once you like, no, it's really scary. Imagine playing like Ted Bundy. No. Imagine playing a serial killer. Don't would not want to be alone with, what's his guy's name in the Ted Bundy show? Maybe Zach Efron, question mark?

Oh my God. No, I made that up. No, it was. That's right. Yes, I knew it. Can I be honest? Totally, totally never cared about Zach Efron. Like high school musical days. Oh, it wasn't your thing. I did not think Zach Efron was hot. Like, what? What's going on? What's on this? What? I really was not attracted to Zach Efron at all. I thought he was not cute.

But you know who I did have a crush on? Do you remember the naked brothers band? Of course. What's their names? I told out something wolf. Yes. And I had a huge crush on them. I also had a huge crush on the main character

and Diary of a Wimpy Kid, the movie. Not an Alex Wolf. Okay, keep going. Yes, they were, they're even still. Diary of a Wimpy Kid. Diary of a Wimpy Kid, main character. He was like, was it normal looking a live-in-year-old boy? He was so sweet looking.

That was a, was a, that's, and what was his name? Don't know, but I was obsessed. I literally had the biggest crush on him I had like weird crushes like I mean, I also like the Jonas Brothers Who didn't I mean for me it was Nick, but then I got older and like Joe. Whatever. We exist. Where are you now with that? For some For

For some. A force. What have I just heard? I know them personally and I have to leave this in. But I do know them personally. You would have a force on with them. Yes. They're brothers. Can I explain why?

Please. I would have a force on with them. No, please. Well, okay, because so number one, like they all have something different to bring to the table. For me, Nick Jonas provides this sort of like, he's just kind of like, he's the youngest brother. Totally. He's like kind of innocent and sweet, but he also has this mysterious edge about him.

And he just has this sweet, sweet face. He just looks so kind. And you know, he seems, he seems like you would ask you how you are after sex. Do you know what I mean? He's like, and how are you? And how was that, was that okay for you? But it's not even was that okay. It's because that's like more about him. It's more like, how, just how are you? Oh, you know what I mean? Like, he would want to like actually like have a like a real talk.

No, yeah. Get deep. Which has never happened. Real lucky. Because usually it's just they get up and walk away. Totally. And that's it. And you never see them again.

Then they block you on everything. Why does that keep happening? Why does that keep happening? Is that personal or is that from experience? So, okay, listen. That's Nick for me. But then Joe for me is like, the total package, totally silly,

totally silly, totally goofy. I might find Joe the hottest, and my friend Joe to be the honest. Joe's sultry. Sultry. Isn't this a word that describes Joe? If you look up sultry, it's Joe Jonas. Yes.

He's sultry, he's a little like, he's like kind of in interviews. He's always like, No, but also, there's something. Yes, but also like total cool guy. 100% cool. So fucking cool guy like obsessed and then Kevin, you feel safe. Like I, the level of safety and like just comfort you feel

with Kevin. Now it's interesting because like when I was younger, like there was nothing like sexually appealing to me about like a guy who would make me feel safe. Like to me it was like hot. Like that was it. It was like hot yes or no. Or like you know what I mean? Yeah I get that. One hundred percent. And now with him getting older I'm like oh my god. Obsessed. Like I don't care. No. Hot. Like some of you was like I'm also I'm flirting I don't care. No. Hot, like somebody who was like, I'm also, I'm flirting aura, like Kevin Jonas.

Totally. Obsessed. But let's just clarify, Kevin's hot too. Totally hot too. Pfft. Ah, so that's like my fantasy. How do we fucking get there? I don't know.

I know. I'm talking about acting and we ended up like banging Kevin Jonas. I just don't know how he even got there. You know what I really want to discuss is growing up in L.A. Because you grew up in L.A. And I'm just like, I have so many questions because I grew up in California, but in Northern California.

And it was so different. And, you know, as like a NorCal kid, we always had like the assumptions about the so-cal kids. You know what I'm saying? Totally. Cause it's like, What were your assumptions? Okay, so like my assumptions, you know what?

This is a fun way to start. Okay. I'm gonna say an assumption and you're gonna say true or false. Okay, great. Okay, assumption number one. Go. Beach after school every day. Like never once in my life.

Okay. Like, I don't know if I've ever been to the beach. I was like, I have, but like, definitely not after school. And I went to a school like, if it's hand locked in the beach. Stop. Okay, so for, okay, that makes me feel better. Maybe like, sometimes.

Like, juxtaposed to the beach and like, ran, but like, I was not doing that. I wish I, like, look at those guys are hot. No, we love them and we love what they do. Yeah, everyone who did that was, but I don't even know people who did that. So I'm gonna go with no. Okay, so no on that.

Okay, next, sick parties every weekend. Like big house parties, you know, big, like lots of illegal activities going on. Left and right, the, and as a high schooler, you're like, illegal activities. Ah! Yeah!

So illegal activities going on everywhere. Cops coming, but then the cops being like, I'm coming in for a drink. Like that's how we pictured so-called kids in high school. Yes or no? No. What?

So there was this one guy, I'm not going to name his name, who was like the leader of the parties. And he's still, I think he's now like, work set, like clubs. Like he's like good at that. Like he like, should be a promoter. He is now a promoter. Yeah, he's a promoter. Like I agree.

Sick. Like you do, like you, you did what you were good at. Yes. And he would throw these insane parties, but they were for holidays. Like it was like Halloween. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It wasn't like every weekend.

Yeah. Okay, so like every weekend, no. And I wasn't invited to the parties every weekend. I think there probably were. Yeah. But I was like a weird theater kid who like, they were like, let's not have Owen go. I was like, on like, there was like a list

and then there was like, people don't let enter and like, I think I was on that list. But like for Halloween, I did go to like, yeah. Big booty hose and whatever. I think that's what they were called. They were called like crazy. Are you kidding me?

Oh yeah. Oh yeah, we had themes a lot too in high school. Like for things like Halloween. Like something office hose and something. Oh my God wait. CEO, CEO, and office hose. Yeah, it was an office hose.

Oh, are the CEOs and office hose. CEOs and office hose. Yeah, do you have that? We had that too. Wait, were we at the same party? Probably. This is amazing. See?

No, I, we, but like I, the thing about me that was so tough about, I don't know, like going to the themed parties or like dressing up, I looked 11 when I was 16. Yeah, I'm sorry. So it was like CEOs in office homes, and I'm like, don't hate that. And everybody's like wearing their first push up bra,

and my push up bra doesn't push anything has nothing to push up It was tough. No, it was totally good. No, but also whatever, but okay, so no big parties No, like they weren't as epic as maybe we would have assumed in Norco. No, like I had a bunch. No, no I think I had a bunch of friends who would Go to parties every weekend, but they wouldn't be like blowouts. I think they would be like chill like come by the pool. You know what I mean? And I was always like either not invited or like I don't want to sit by the pool. Yeah, no. By the way, who wants to do it? I want to be in the sweatshirt at home.

Exactly, especially in high school. No, 100%. Oh my God, there's... No one could see me in high school. No one could see me in anything. My body, my mind, I'm at home. No, that, I don't ever, like thinking back at it. Yeah, no. Really dark for us. It's dark.

Okay, last assumption I had was the dating pool was just like easy. It was like everybody was dating each other. It was like this incredibly, like everyone's just having their first kiss, so young and it's so easy and it's not stressful and just the dating pool is like solid. Because I feel like in Norco specifically, the dating pool was a fucking nightmare.

And this was like, weirdly across the board, like it was just like not working. Like I don't know why, because it was small. Like I felt like the dating pool just sucked. And I, there was just something off about it. I don't know if it was that it was just a non-compatible group of kids

just by coincidence. Like, and maybe the right kids were meeting each other. Who knows what it was? Yeah. But it just felt like dating was like impossible. I felt like all my friends really struggled. Most people were single. It like people were having their first kisses

maybe a little later. Like I don't think a lot of the kids wanted to be that way, but it was like a lack of Compatibility across the board and I felt like when we would look at all the so-called kids were like everybody just like There's just like so many people and everyone thinks that they're hot and everybody's just Everybody's a narcissist. Everybody's a narcissist. Everybody's hot. Everybody's like, you know, like it's just fun Like you go to a party and you just Everybody's like, you know, like, it's just fun. Like, you go to a party and you just mingle and have fun.

Like, what parties are supposed to be? And then we weren't having that in North Korea. I don't think that I went to a small school, relatively small school. So like, everyone was hooking up with the same people. It was very like, I remember like everybody dating because I remember senior year, there was only one other gay person in my grade

And I was like, we have to date We must date. We must. He was like, I don't like you at all. I was like exactly. That's what dating is love We get to know each other then we break up So I remember me dating him for a year and a half and And being like, pretty solid for like, no, pretty solid for hating each other. Yeah, no, yeah. He is, I love him so much, but we'll get to that. He's great.

No, he's great. Okay, great. But I do think there was, everyone was dating because I had the urge to be like, well, we have to date, like all my friends, like, in the polls dating, it's always dating and Lily's dating, we have to date.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I don't think everybody, like, there was only like a few hot people. Yeah, like it wasn't like, it was probably the same, to be honest. But there was just, I think there was this level of like romanticizing growing up in LA versus growing up so close yet so far

in Northern California. It was like the less cool version, right? I felt like Northern California was always less cool. Yeah, less cool. Yeah, like, like growing up in LA was like, how would you sum it up? Like, give some, give some, like give a, give a, oh no, like sneaking, you would like sneak off campus during lunch and like, because you would like wanna go to Whole Foods

and like get like, I did it. That is so iconic. Like, it was like, what else was it? It was like, I mean, I think this is probably with every city, but like now, Silver Lake, for instance, like I went to school in Santa Monica near the beach and now Silver Lake and downtown, then was so crazy to me.

And I was like, all my friends would like go there over the weekend and we would like go see vintage stores. We were like, this is so new. We thought we were in North Carolina. We were like, what is this place? And now it's like, oh my God, I love here. It's because when you have a car, it's like, wait a minute.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But before you have a car, your world is so small. Like in high school. It is so small, I didn't, yeah. You know what I mean? Totally. It's so interesting. I mean, but do you think it was like,

I don't know, like would you want to raise a kid in LA based on your experience? Yeah, that's interesting. Cause I don't know if I would just living here as an adult. No, and yes. Okay. But so you turned out amazing and actually give me hope. I think there's a way to do it, but I think it takes a level of self-awareness.

Oh my god, isn't it intimidating though? I think you've been raising your kid. No, I'm not doing that for a long time, for a while. Yeah, me either. Well, we have to do it at the same time. No, no, no, we have to have a kid at the same time, which is something that I really want to talk to about. So how many years?

I'm thinking for me, so I'm like, listen, I don't want to wait too long, okay? Like I'm, but I don't want to do it right now. Like, can you believe? I, like, do you? When you're like really young. I know, but people have, like Kylie Jenner had a kid at my age. Kylie Jenner.

Are you being said she was 21? I think so. Are you 22? Yeah, just turned 22. Of course! How do you feel? Feeling 22. That's not how it's not good. Why I started it right and then I remembered about copy right and I did a remix. I'm obsessed with the Revex. Wait, so you're 22 now.

Kylie had a kid a year ago. I mean, a year at 21. I think that might be completely fake news, but to be honest, what is in Yeah, that might be completely fake news, but to be honest, what is it? Totally. Also, I don't believe any celebrity ages. So like when I see an age on the internet of like what a celebrity's age is I'm like I take it with a grain of salt. I think there's many who are lying. I don't know that for certain. I mean, I'm gonna say I'm 20. Yeah, like when I'm 40, I'm gonna say I'm just trying to. But there are some people like I have genuine conspiracy theories about not naming names. I'm not in the mood for that because me and Owen never know when we're going to see them. On a Saturday when we decide to go out to dinner and we look over to the table next to us. Oh, there they are.

And I just said on a podcast that you're not actually 25. You're 40, right. But I know I don't make those assumptions in like a judgmental and rude way. I make it based on like a, I've met this person and I feel like something's up because of the level of maturity. Not necessarily the looks.

You're so mature with so much boys. So much boys and the wrinkles too. Ah! Yes. But by the way, like, So much boys so much boys and the wrinkles to By the way like there's so much like ages and I would say in our industry and general like the entertainment I'd rather be actually be 40 like for like then you actually learn what the fuck is wrong with being like a 50 year old pop star Who cares so hot so hot so hot so why. Or what's wrong with being like, you know, being a 40 year old actor who's like acting like a 20 year old, but you maybe you look young and maybe you have a really good plastic surgeon. So you look 20. Enjoy.

Enjoy. No, I agree. I agree. Like just own it because I do think that there is lying happening. I think older actually is more respected and cooler. Yeah. I think right now we're in this phase where everyone is seven and just had a huge hit record.

You don't even know their seven is old. And it's like, and then every then, you know, your 26 and you're like, they're seven? 100%. Oh my God, I'm never gonna be seven again. So then you're like well, I'll just pretend I'm 10 Yeah, no And it's like that's like that's unhealthy no world the thing is to happen. That's a rare case It's one in a million, but also the other thing is too. I'm so sorry, but

There have been so many people who have hit their career peak later in life or discovered their passion later in life. And it's been like, okay. Look at Laura Dern. Has that a great career up in, she's had a gorgeous career, she's an active in tons of stuff. And now she's Laura Dern at 50 something.

Yes. That's a dream. Yep. That's a dream. That's a dream. That's obviously even better, because you probably are more like, I don't know. But my point with that was, so like any celebrity age, I take with a grain of salt. Okay.

People can take mine with a grain of salt too, because I'm probably not going to age like a fine wine like I want to. I think you will. I just, you know, went to a tropical location for a week and burnt the fuck out of my forehead. And I already am wrinkling there. It's things are not looking up for me, but I'm gonna own it for as long as I can. I think you, first of all, I'm excited for a wrinkler tip.

Same. And a gray hair? Same, oh my God, I've literally, I'm saying this on a podcast, I can't believe this, but I literally have to dye my hair always alone by myself. You dye your hair. Because I have so many gray hairs. No way. So many, because I used to dye my hair blonde.

Uh huh. So now it's like my hair just, it was like, I'm probably lying to me. By the way, this is full lie. I'm now realizing as I'm like, no, it's probably just because I'm getting older, but my hair just just like it triggered something to your whatever hair follicle or whatever.

You're kidding. So now I'm just like, my hair is just damaged. I never knew this about you. Oh my god, yeah, I have to die. I literally die my hair once a week. No? Once every two weeks. Wait, wait, but also gray hair looks good.

No, but I'm like, I have like, gray random gray hair. Well, but also you don't want it. So if you don't want it, it's horrible. I know. I mean, it depends on, I think it's actually if you don't want it, it's horrible. I know. I mean, it depends on, I think it's actually harder when it's like first coming in. Totally. Because it's inconsistent.

Totally, it's the worst. But once it's like a full head of gray hair, so hot, I'm so excited. I am like excited. But if I was 50 and I had a full head of gray hair, I would accept it. Oh, yeah. At my age, I'm a little like, not yet.

I have to pretend like it's the hair dye. You know what I mean? I have to pretend like it was like my follicles. You're like, sorry guys, it's just my follicles because I was dying. No, but it's actually like really cool. it's the hair dye. You know what I mean? I have to pretend like it was like my follicles. You're like, sorry guys, just my follicles because I was dying. No, but it's actually like really cool. It's actually like rare. Yeah, yeah.

It's a rare thing that only happens to hot people. Only, no, when you're like really hot, I was like big. I was trying to say like, I was like, I was gonna say like big tits, but then I was like, I can't well not for Owen. No, yeah, no, no, no. But that's what we should start saying about wrinkles.

Yeah. Also, we should be like. It's like a sign of like really like number one being like very, very much an intellectual. Totally empathetic. And also number two, an empath. No, yeah. So I have three gray hairs because I'm an empath

and I have one wrinkle because I'm, I don't want to brag, but I am brilliant. That's how I'm gonna start't want to brag but I am brilliant Well, the thing is actually they've been doing studies You might not know about these because their unreleased I actually had conference at it was a Harvard and it was two weeks ago You were probably oh you were it was more a day weekend you were drinking a lot I was at Harvard with my Fraternity and sorority sisters and we were discussing wrinkling in its correlation to intelligence.

They told me. Direct, direct correlation. Well, they told me that I am actually like the first real sign of this. I know. And it's been really hard. Hard. No.

And then it's a sob story. And then it turned to Q-Match. And this is us, it's in there. And then now it's like, and now this is hard. And now I am so wrinkled and I'm so brilliant. But you know what's actually kind of true? Adults, usually with age comes wisdom. And so to be honest, the more wrinkle probably the smarter.

100%. So like, whatever. That being said, I will get both dogs. That being said, I'm not that smart. That being said, I'm not that smart. That being said, not that smart. Don't even want to seem smart, we'll be getting both dogs. I know I'm like conflicted about, I'm going to take it day by day. Like I'm going to really try to go.

Don't do anything. Can I tell you, like I'm not closing the door on it because I just don't think that that's healthy for me. Yeah. Like I don't want to make a promise to myself, like, hey, I'm never going to do Botox. Yeah, yeah. Or I'm never going to do whatever God knows what. BBL, I'm never going to do Botox. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or I'm never going to do whatever God knows what.

BBL. I'm never going to get a BBL. You don't want to close that door yet. I don't, I'm not ready to close that door. You, with a BBL, like, literally so tiny. Huge, but huge eyes. It would be, well, listen, we wait, full fuck everything we were just talking about.

What's your type? Describe. So I have a boyfriend of eight years, as you know. Well Jared, we love Jared. Jared will be on the show at some point. Jared, I'm obsessed with Jared. Except I did watch a video of you and Jared the other day. Oh Jared's gonna be so mad at me for getting this up.

I have to. And he is never in my life to me, set 100%. Okay, never in my life. I'll ask him a question, like a serious question that the answer is yes to, and he'll be like, no. Like he doesn't even, or he'll say like, sure. Like he's not like, yeah, he's never certain. No, he's never like certain or agree.

Like he always like has an opinion. Like he's very opinionated. Yeah, I mean, there's never certain. No, he's never like certain or agree. Like he always like has an opinion. Like he's very opinionated. He's, I mean, there's a great person, but like I always feel like he's a point of you. He challenges me. Yeah. Yeah. And I feel like he does that for you too.

In one video you did with him, I've never heard someone more say 100% more. You were like, I have to use the rest of me. He's like 100%. You were like, I have to use the rest of me, he's like 100%. You were like, I do like this. He was like 100% and then you were like, but I don't like this anymore. He was like, no, I'm 100%.

No, but can I be honest? That is my doing. Wait, why? No, I say, no 100%. Oh, and it has to stop soon because I like I get stuck I'll get stuck on a word. By the way now I'm actually totally just associating because now I'm going back to realizing to this interview the beginning of this interview and I remember you asking me questions and me saying 100% so I'm just like remembering it. We might as well in it from you.

No I definitely stole it from you. No, I definitely still it from you. Well, we still, well, this is something, this is interesting. We still a lot from each other. So will we come up with it together? Yeah, no. Usually someone brings it to the table,

but then the other person is like, now that's delicious. Totally delicious. So let's talk about it. So something about me and Owen is that we get obsessed with like, phrases for this. And I mean, I think this is universal. Totally. Well, we, okay, what are ours? I mean, we definitely,

Delish, Delish. It's hard to say it out of context because then it just, loving you. Oh, that one was big. That one hit the mainstream. That one hit hard. I mean, it was set at the mat. Kaley Bieber said it to you at the mat, which was a- It was. I was literally crying of joy. I was like, I was the mat.

But the mat was almost like, I literally turned to Jared. I said, I'm at the mat. Oh, and it created loving you. And for context, like, how would we say it would be like, you know, well, it could be said in any context. It would just be like loving you. Yeah, loving you. Like loving you. Yeah, loving you. Like loving you.

Yeah, exactly how would you say? How would you say? Like if somebody got a smoothie you wanted and then you were like, can I have a sip? And they were like, of course, you'd be like loving you. Well, it could be said in any tone. Or it could be like, it could be kind of like funny. Like, it could be like, all right, see you tomorrow.

And it'd be like, all right, loving you. Right, or it could be like someone shits on you. Like someone spits on your face and you're discussing and you're like, absolutely loving you. Loving you. Because you're trying to be nice, but like, you know. Totally. So we started that.

Then it got mainstream at the Met. Although I don't know if it really got mainstream pick up. It just more got mainstream eyeballs. Yeah, there was a lot of eyeballs on it, but no one really caught it. I was so upset that no one caught it. I really thought it was my moment. I know.

What the fuck happened? And it wasn't. But then, we do have obsessed. We do use obsessed still. We do say delish. We still do use delish. What else do we do? We do say 100%.

And we do the voice. I can't remember. We never forgot it. Oh, it's like this was it. Oh, that one's really bad for me. Also, we bring out a different tone of voice in each other. That's unique. That is unique.

I talk differently around you. No, I do too. Do you think that's toxic? I don't think there's anything toxic about it. I think it's super healthy. I think it's super healthy. But I do think that we're speaking normally now, but if anybody heard us at dinner, I think they'd be nervous for us.

I think they'd be like, let's take them out. Well, our own boyfriends have a hard time because we bounce off of each other and are just louder and louder and louder. But don't we? We also relate on everything. So we're constantly like, oh my God, you too. But we're also constantly trying to oh my god, you two. Yeah, but we're also constantly trying to be

Silly and goofy Totally, but was interesting. I both of our boyfriends are so similar because they're more quiet They're more reserved. They're more opinionated totally. They're they don't give a fuck about what other people think about them Yeah, 100% and So it's interesting because we both have the same relationship dynamic. And then it's them sitting at dinner with us, just listening to us. It's actually like, we're doing stand-up for them.

We're like, and it's our first guests who are judging us. And Nate, but by the way, like, I don't know if they like the show. No, most of the time they leave being like, that was a really bad bit. They're like, the whole thing was horrendous. Yeah, that was horrible. No, but I do think that they find,

they get a kick out of us. Whatever. By the way, what the fuck ever? Sorry, I get a kick out of you. Wait, I'm excited about what the fuck ever. Oh, I love that, what the fuck ever. That feels good. What the fuck ever, it doesn't roll off the top.

No, I can't if you do it right. Oh, sorry. So, let's try it again. What the fuck ever it doesn't roll off the top. No, I can't if you do it right. Oh, sorry. Let's try it again. What the fuck ever? It is tricky for me. What the fuck ever? What the fuck ever? There it is.

No. I like it. It's like the fuck ever. It's like say like, okay, yeah, right? Like what the fuck? Why am I getting tripped up on it? I'm getting tripped up on the word. This one is like actually excluding people because some people just can't do it.

No. Like it's it's because it's so hard. Well, yeah, it's just words. Like this one's actually hard. Yeah. Like where it's like delish. You're like loving you. Actually loving you doing it right. It is in obvious. I like I feel sick also. Oh my god. I feel sick about this. Yeah, I feel sick about that. I feel sick about that. I love that. What the fuck ever? What the fuck? You know why what the fuck ever doesn't work for me.

My mouth. You just said it really good. What the fuck ever? What the fuck ever? But I'm saying ever. Okay. What the fuck ever needs some work? Because I think that there's something in that realm that could be that we could start, but I just don't know what it is yet. I'll set up a zoom with my team. Yeah, just get back to me on that one. In your team. Yeah. Not just your team, it's good. I'm the one with my team. Yeah.

It's clearly you and yours. I'm going to set up a zoom with just my team on this one, because that's just for me, I guess, just what the fuck ever is just mind so that'll just be for my team Oh God No, I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that that we speak in our own language 100% that's what friendship's when we were at Coachella. Mm-hmm Am I allowed to say you're at Coachella?

100% I have a coach Instagram geo tagged Coachella. Mm-hmm. Am I allowed to say you're at Coachella? Oh, 100. Do you talk about Coachella? I have a Coachella episode. I feel like I'm a coach. I have an Instagram geo-tagged. Coachella. I put the location of Coachella because I wanted all of these mother fuckers to know. Do people call you the queen of Coachella already?

No. Yes, I do, I think. That is Vanessa Huggins and I would never. Oh my God, that's V-Hud. So, she's called. It should be. Should we go to Vegas? Wait. You're 21. I know. I Should we go to Vegas? Wait.

You're 21. I know. I've never been to Vegas as a 21-year-old. I've never been to Vegas as an adult either. Do you gamble? I've never gambled before. I refuse. I refuse.

I would gamble with you. I would gamble five to $10. Oh, Ovi, we're not doing more than that. It's actually like the same thing with video games. This is weird, but like, I actually prefer to watch like a Fortnite gameplay, almost more than I do even playing the game sometimes. But it's the same thing with like gambling.

I don't wanna actually go gamble. I'd rather watch somebody else. I wanna be rooting for someone else. I like rooting for things more than I like playing. Well, I think that's like what the appeal of sports is. And that's why it's a big thing. I'm not gonna be more than I like playing. Well, I think that's like what the appeal of sports is. And that's why it's a big combo of industry. Totally. Our geniuses.

Okay, people say, oh, you didn't go to college. What a big group of dumbos they say about us. That's what people say about us behind our backs. 100% stupid dumb freaks. And guess what I have to say back? Brilliant, wrinkled lovers. Actor model, actor model, hot.

Super very much sexy. Yeah, looking at our name. This is maybe for another time, but I have looked my name up with hot, like Owen Thiel Hot. Oh my God. By the way, nothing comes up. Nothing, if you type in Owen Thiel, nothing comes up.

So, but Owen Thiel Hot, it's so funny because it's like that on your computer. You know what says, like what you've looked up? Yeah. So I remember typing in, oh, I was looking at Owen Wilson for something because I wanted to see a movie he was in, and my friends were all around my computer, and immediately came up, Owen feel hot, like I look like a...

No! No! Really embarrassing. Wait, I've never even thought to do that. I've never even thought of that as like... No, no one has. And no one should. No, I feel like Harry Styles does that, like Harry Styles hot, just to see what comes out. I mean, a lot would come up.

So much. Congrats, Harry. Your heart. Congratulations I mean, a lot would come up so much. I'm a king grout Terry. Your heart. Congratulations. I know who else would search up. Okay. Hot people deserve to look up their name with hot. And then hot.

Like you deserve that. Totally. Your face. Deserves that. Yeah. Like enjoy. You should look that up. By the way, enjoy.

I'm never looking that up. It's not going to happen. I'm going to look it up for you. So I hope somebody looks that up. Same screenshots, but also like, see here's what's gonna happen. If nothing comes up, then I just assume you forgot. Totally. So then it's like no harm done.

Totally. But if you do send it to me, that's like Merry Christmas to me, something came up. Totally, totally. But see, I have always been like, the word hot is not for me. Like that's just not a word for me. Like maybe for me, it's more like,

what a gentle spirit. Totally, it's great words. Like I just don't know. Mine's like, what a funny critter. You know what I mean? That's mine. Here's this gentle spirit. Mine's like, weird little critter.

Like, that's what I'm gonna start to look at. I'm so fucking crazy. I'm gonna look up Owen up. That's what I'm gonna try to look up. That's so fucking crazy. I'm gonna look up Owen feel. We're a critter. See what comes up. Hot is for you. I just want you to take that back. Hot is not for me.

Like you know what some people like just being hot, like being on IG with like the lips puffed and like a booby out is like they can do it and it feels right. It does not. Well that's authentic. That is not authentic to you, but you being authentic to you is hot.

Well, see you being authentic to you is hot. That's what hot really is. But being stereotypical hot is not- No, I'm not doing like- Is having like, I can't do that. I'm not doing that. I've tried it. Oh, I've posted that.

I did! I literally posted a that. I've tried it. Oh, I've posted that. I did. I literally posted a picture with my lips face tuned, looking huge as fuck, my eyes looking gorgeous. Like, you know what I mean? My eyebrow, like full face lips. Full face lip. Everything looking absolutely gorgeous. Lips are out to Mars.

And I get three comments being like, cute. You know what I mean? Like weird critter. I can't do it for me either. So for me, it's like, I just am okay with the fact that like, I reserve hot for others. And then for me, it's like, I'm just like a gentle whisperer. Ha, ha, ha.

People look at me and they're like, she is just so fucking gentle. Yeah, totally. Or she's just so quirk-a-le-her. You're quirk-a-leena. She's just a quirk-a-le-na. Emma Chamberlain, quirk-a-le-na. Oh, that was actually what people, see, nobody was describing me as hot ever.

Nobody's ever describing me as hot. That's not true. But instead, people describe me as quirky. And that's something I have to live with. No, you know what mine was, which was evil? Mm. I wouldn't feel unique. I was like, I literally was, I remember.

It was going, we were going around in a circle saying one nice thing about each other and somebody was like beautiful about like Charlotte. Somebody was like a real mind about like whatever, you know, Danny. And then it came to me and they're like, unique. Stop. And I was like, unique.

It's honestly kind of a good one. But it's also incredibly neat. It's nice, but I think growing up with like, you're just unique. No, I was like, I don't want to be unique. No, it's the tone too. Totally. We have to end this.

Thank you for having me on. It's the most fun ever. I would do this any day with you. This is an honor. To be on Emma Chamberlain's anything goes, come on! Oh! Come on, a dream. I knew you were a dream.

No, this was just like going to dinner. It's like you guys got to sit in on me and go and go to dinner, which we do all the time anyway. You're my only friend. Yeah, it's it's us and it's Jared. Yeah, and Tucker and Tucker. But other than that, it's us and our parents. And our parents. It's not weird. We didn't even dig into how much we love our parents next time. We have so much more to discuss yet next time. What's your sign off? I don't have one. Maybe we could just be like let's just come up with something silly We should be like Peace out critters

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