anything goes with emma chamberlain - a talk with suki waterhouse [video]

Episode Date: September 12, 2024

[video available on spotify] today, i’m excited to speak with the multi-talented suki waterhouse - actor, musician, model, and now, new mom! you may know her from the covers of vogue and elle, or her standout role in daisy jones and the six. and tomorrow, she’s releasing a new album called memoir of a sparklemuffin. we’re gonna chat about her music, and how she’s balancing motherhood with her busy career. let’s welcome suki waterhouse! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Today, we have a friend in the house. Actually, we're not really friends. Like I feel like I'm like parasocially friends with Suki Waterhouse. However, we're not really friends. Like have we ever gone to dinner? No. Have we ever hung out?

No. In fact, the only time we've actually met is at the Met Gala. I interviewed her at the Met Gala for like three minutes. What was funny about that interview was right before I did that interview, the producer for the Met Gala interviews was like, hey just so you know Suki is on tour right now, you might want to bring that up. So in the interview I bring that up. I'm like, so you're on tour right now. And she's like, actually I'm not. And I was like, oh, okay.

And it was just so awkward. But today, this interview is gonna be a lot more organized and I will not be asking her about a tour that she is not on. But I'm excited to be speaking to Suki Waterhouse today. She started out her career as a model when she was a young teenager. Then she eventually started acting and then she eventually put out music. She is a multi-hyphenate.

You may have seen her on the cover of Vogue Magazine or Elle or you may have seen her acting as Karen in Daisy Jones and the Six, or you may have heard her music live at Coachella or blowing up on TikTok. She is a new mother. She just had a baby a few months ago and she's sort of a mother of a new creative project coming out September 13th. Her new album, Memoir of a Sparkle Muffin, one of the most interesting album names I've heard all year. Anyway, I'm so excited to speak to Suki. For some reason, I feel like we're friends, even though we're not.

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I feel like you've kind of done it all in a way. What's your relationship to modeling, acting, and singing? What's your unique and brutally honest relationship with each? Yeah. I mean, yeah, you said having doing doing each three in different, different worlds. I do sometimes think about that. I'm like, oh, it's quite strange that I kind of know what it was like to really be in fashion, like not so much anymore, but I definitely like had all that experience and like did it from 15. So yeah, I guess I started modeling

when it was like, you know, A to Zs. There was like, you know, nothing like that. And it would literally be like clambering around London, going to places that I'd never even been before, like taking the bus, doing like 30 castings a day, having people say the most like insane shit to you. Like it was very blunt. And it was also just like this complete avenue out of

the house. Like I kind of lived not in the suburbs, but like a little bit out of London. So leaving the house for the first time, like being out for the first time, like meeting people, being at parties and being around creatives. And it was like this, this whole thing. But yeah, having, having, having a little bit of all three, it's kind of like an amazing, like, fortunate thing that I kind of get to do. Yeah, like you get to sort of do a little bit of everything in such a broad industry.

Like, you've gotten to do so many things. And I'm curious, like, out of everything you've done what has been the most fulfilling for you emotionally? I mean fulfilling for me emotionally it's kind of that's an easy one it has to be music yeah yeah because like you know I don't know music I've been writing and I've actually been putting out music for such a long time I was like a whole decade of of writing and putting up music and like so much so much kind of just like

Expiration that happened a long time before like that many people even knew but I was I don't know I was like so happy just having district head and and putting up songs that I thought were cool and I would like put out a couple a year. And, cause I never really actually thought that I would ever get to be playing shows or doing any of the stuff that I've been doing. It just didn't even occur to me. So I feel like music was maybe the first thing

that I thought I was gonna be able to do and kept doing while everything else happened. And then when modeling happened and acting happened, I was kind of plagued with this like hole in my heart for like years because I just, I don't know, I felt like, oh, it just won't be, it won't be allowed, it won't be accepted. Like, oh, you've already done like modeling and acting like you cannot add another one. Like, no, it's like too much. And it was, and it was like super scary to me. And just, and you just think, oh, like, it just it was and it was like super scary to me and just and you just think oh like it just won't it won't happen so it was it was like very gradual in a lot of ways but when yeah when I did decide to like put out a

record I think it was like something to do with the show actually like doing Daisy Jones like I really wanted to get that part and I think I really wanted to like play someone that like was super confident about it and like was gonna go for it. And that character that I played, Karen Serko. And then I knew that I would be like in a music studio for like months on end and we'd be rehearsing and I'd be around all these incredible producers

and Blake Mills that they were hiring. So I knew I'd be like in that space. And then, yeah. and then actually the show didn't end up happening for a whole year after because of COVID and everything. So in that space in between, there was something in the ether that kind of just, maybe it was the world feeling like it was,

kind of fell apart. And there was just that thing where you just suddenly go like, who cares? Who cares? Yeah, what am I gonna lose? What am I going to lose? Yeah, what am I going to lose? And so I very quickly decided I'm going to put together an album. But I had like so many songs, like I was ready. And I'd done so much work and so many sessions and there was so many like shit songs that I'd written and things that,

you know, so many avenues that things that hadn't worked out or like blocks and overcoming things in my brain, like that had happened, been happening for like a decade. So in lots of ways, like I had such low expectations, you know, of course, like such low expectations of anything. And I kind of, yeah, I made the album by myself and I just kind of went like, you don't, you don't need to, you don't need to wait for like a label or a thing or anything like that you just totally just make it and then those things kind of like happened after I made the record so yeah in terms of like fulfilling emotionally that's like yeah music is like a lifeline like the next albums called memoir of a sparkle muffin which is like a ridiculous I need Obsessed with the name,

you need to know more about it, like immediately continue. But it's kind of, yeah, the first record was called I Can't Let Go, and I think that was like, you can tell even by the title, it was kind of, I was very like trapped in my own like psyche and neurosis, and I felt like, you know, it was like, yeah, I kind of felt like that,

almost like a cloud around me. And then this one's called Memoir of a Sparkle Muffin, where I feel like, yeah, I kind of felt like that, almost like a cloud around me. And then this one's called Memoir of a Sparkle Muffin, where I feel like, yeah, I can't let go on this one. I'm like, oh, I've let go of so much. And I'm like so much freer. And I like feel like I can like own my narrative so much more and like feel proud of it and not just like kind of embarrassed, you know?

Are you the Sparkle Muffin? Yes, I am the Sparkle Muffin. Does anyone like, is that a nickname that you have or like, or is that just something that like came to you? Like, tell me about this name. The Sparkle Muffin is this like rare Australian spider that I found just like scrolling on Google like late at night, one night.

It's only just been, it's like was discovered in like 2016 which I don't know how no one has found this guy before. He's crazy and he has a sparkly little butt. And he does this little dance. He does a kind of mating dance. And if the mate doesn't like the dance, then it will eat the other spider. So it was a metaphor for dancing for your life

and being in the, yes, um, like the public or whatever. I love that. Yeah. But it's just cute. And I also just really wanted to like declare everything to be like that spot, you know, I wanted to be like on zoom calls and be like that sparkle muffin. That's not like, I love that.

I know what can be just like having a kind of, and then like the memoir of the sparkle muffin. I don't know. I love like, I just like obsess with people's memoirs. Like I read them all the time. And actually I feel like it kind of came from, did you see that Jane Fonda documentary where it was like the eras of her life?

I've not actually watched it. It's so emotional. Really? Yeah, she kind of like cuts it up into the years and the different things and the guys that came in and the things were happening in her career. And like, yeah, you get to kind of like have this full scope of her entire life.

But yeah, I love, I love like reading memoirs and stuff. So it was memoir of a sparkle muffin. So do you feel like the album is sort of the story of your life? Or do you feel like it's more like, is it more like the story of the last year? Like, what do you think Or do you feel like it's more like, is it more like the story of the last year? Like, what do you think, do you feel like this album is sort of telling like a specific story?

Did you go into it like, I wanna tell a story with it, or is it more just like, all the music I create in one way or another is sort of a mini little memoir about me, like what is sort of, I don't know, the vision? I guess you pull out of like everything that you're still like paying attention to that still feels like very much in your orbit, like at the time.

But yeah, I wouldn't have written that album for the last one. Because it's so much about like where you are, like what kind of space you're in. So yeah, I always pull on things from the past because I feel like, you know, you're just like a memory box of everything that's ever happened to you, right? And like, there's a sense of like, yeah, what's important to me now.

But yeah, I guess this one, it's like a metamorphosis kind of thing of like, going from like, like the back cover is kind of like, has this red light on it. And it feels like, like almost like this red sinful light. And I have this like kind of diamond cage choker on me. And like, and then the, and it's sort of like, yeah, it's self-destructive. It's like the glamour. It's like all the things that like, when you make your life is like kind of difficult.

And then the front cover was like, I was almost picturing this like Mulholland Drive. Like it's after I've had like a Hollywood car crash and I've like come down and I'm in this like oasis where like things, like I don't know, it was almost like this message to myself of like things don't have to be all so difficult and like the way that I wanna live

is like can be much more like fruitful, like filled with like good relationships and. Yes. And like, yeah. Like you don't need to be a tortured artist or kind of yeah yeah like the best way I'm kind of finding that at the moment actually like I yeah I think that's something I think about a lot like do I need to have like a super like tortured horrendous like existence to make art

there is that like temptation to be I don't know like to sort of be this you know wearing the all-black and like being sad and like crying and like, you know, I don't know, but and that that's what creates good art or, you know, art that speaks to that mentality is good art. But I think some of the most interesting and most impressive art is that that actually pulls from a place of strength. You know? Yeah. It's interesting. Yeah. I kind of feel like like you know like what we kind of do and everything is so it is like there's a ton of like difficult things that come with it. So I guess like hopefully like

my life doesn't have to be as crazy because like things are outside already crazy. So yeah I feel like I want to have like a hub of strength and like go home to like something that feels like an oasis. You know where you can like recharge and I think incredible things like especially with this album it's the strength of like the relationships and like the people that you have around you and how talented everyone is. Because I love more than anything, especially with music and in film, bringing other people up with you and along with you is the best thing ever.

Absolutely. Don't you love that? I love that, absolutely. I bet you have with your company and everything that you do where you're like, you're amazing and I want you to thrive and grow. And I don't know, especially with younger people around me as well.

I'm always just like, don't you? Yeah, you know? Yes. I want to have, I think that's an awesome thing. We spend so much time working. So you want that working environment to be as cool as possible for yourself and for everyone else.

Yeah. Absolutely. How do you think, I mean, congratulations on being a mom. Thank you. So amazing, but also like- It's so crazy. It's so, well, I think too, we are in a really, being in entertainment in general, I think the transition to motherhood is a lot more challenging. I just can't believe that,

because she's only five and a half months old. I'm kind of just like, oh, I can't believe this has been only five and a half months since this has happened. But it is kind of one of those things. I think it's like, you're really surprised at first and you're like what, what, like what is, but then it, there is like this element of like they come and suddenly you're just like, oh, like there you are. Yeah. Of course. Like it's almost like they were always there.

Yeah. Like I don't even remember. Yeah. You're just like, oh, like here you are. And you're just like, you instantly, like you're, you're, you're just like a part of the crew. I've always wondered that. Cause I just, to me, it would feel, I think, I mean, it's probably an impossible to describe sort of feeling. But you just don't even know. And like everything that you weirdly think about, all the like scenarios you go through,

the whole time pregnant, I'm just like thinking about it of course, constantly and talking about it and what's it gonna be like, and it's gonna be like this and like that. And just like you can't even you just don't even know anything Yeah, literally don't know anything and also you don't know anything because you have no idea like what kind of baby you're gonna get Totally you literally it's just one of those things where you're like, I have no idea what's gonna happen And then everything's just like a surprise and I feel like that's like the coolest thing ever because I feel like now I'm just in this thing where this thing, like, it's just a constant surprise. Like, I don't

know, I'm like always just like, it's like a mystery movie. Yes. Like a mystery novel. And you just think, oh my God, like what, you know, what, where we're at now, what are we going to be in five years? Yeah. Who's going to be in her life? And I don't know. It's like very, it really like fills you with like a lot of wonder and a lot of joy. So yeah, I felt there's just like this joy beam.

So it's like this joy beam. She's just like a complete joy beam. Do you think like, I imagine, I sort of have a hypothesis, right? About like the impact that having a child would have. And I think, I don't know, being in the public eye is really challenging and uncomfortable because, you know,

and it can feel like at all times, like the world is crashing around you, you know? Like it's very easy to lose perspective. I could imagine that having a child would really help to combat that. Is that a hypothesis at any, is it accurate? Yeah, no, I kind of think that's true actually. Like there's so many cool things,

like even in the last couple of months of having her, it's like I'd like take her on her morning walk or whatever and we like get up early and she gets up early and we, yeah, I never used to get up early, but now I get up early. I love that. But yeah but you go but you go and actually I've become like so much more like in like I've become so much more of like a community person with even like the people that live around my street and everything because like now it's like

instantly you're like hey of course you like talk and you have kids and yes you know you go on a walk. And now she's been invited to a little swimming party on Friday. And I'm so excited. She's getting her little outfit. Cute. But it's just so, yeah. So that's actually really nice.

I feel even things like that. And suddenly your Sunday is going to someone's house with a bunch. And everyone just has their own little ticking bomb, which is like, but it's like fun. It's like a new sort of way of hanging out with people. And you just like, yeah, I feel actually more grounded to the earth and in terms of just like, living where you actually live. And sometimes you ever feel like that,

especially here where you're just, it can be like kind of tough to actually feel like you live somewhere and that you're just, it can be like kind of tough to actually like feel like you live somewhere and that you're part of something and I think having a kid actually kind of like is quite helpful with that. Yes, I mean it completely makes sense because they're not, I don't know, you have to be really present with a child. That's the only... So present. So present. It's insane. It grounds you. No, it probably do present. It's crazy.

But I think it does ground you. And that's something that I think is a sort of, I don't know, silver lining through all the challenges, because it's obviously challenging. But it is so grounding and it's a life-changing vehicle. And it's also really nice to be demanded of that presence. Yeah. It is actually. It's like, it's kind of an amazing thing to be like, oh, like, you know, yeah, you kind of like time just passes by.

You're not like looking at your phone. You know what I mean? Like you're not, you're not able to just kind of, you have to, yeah, you have to like be, you have to be quite like mindful with like how, you know, how you spend the time and then when it's like home time. Yeah, it's definitely made me like more of a, it's made me more of like a morning person of like we get up really early

and then I'm kind of like, I want everything to be done by six. So like, you know, we can do that like wind down together. And also I kind of like quite enjoy the night stuff sometimes in a way, I know that sounds not if it's too intense and she's waking up a lot, but there's something about like, because you really aren't thinking about anything else in the middle of the night.

And you can just bring her into your bed and you're just playing for an hour. And so it's very sweet. There's something about that. Nothing else is happening and there's just quiet. And I found that those moments actually quite like quite cute. That's amazing. Yeah. It's rare. Yeah. No, not not all the time. Obviously sometimes you're like, yeah, yeah, yeah. So if it's like too much, you're like, if she's listening to this, don't get any ideas. Okay. Sleep through the night. Yeah. Exactly.

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It's like obviously I would like I would like really like to not have her face shown or anything like that You know, that would be like my ideal but I also think I have to be kind of a realist about like absolutely kind of world that we live in and now she's like almost six months she she doesn't like she wants to look at, like, flowers and touch things and, like, be out in the world. And, like, yeah, and, like, that's been a little bit more intense since I had the baby. There's, like, people outside and they, and you can't,

it's this thing I don't want to, it's that thing where it's like, I want to shield her from that, but I also want to take her for a walk and, like, and sit at a cafe and, like, take her out. And, and, like, someone might, like, they probably are going to take her for a walk and like, and sit at a cafe and like take her out. Yeah. And, and like someone might like, they probably are going to take a picture and they probably are going to show her face and you don't actually get like, there are laws, but they go around them and it will end, you know, so you kind of have to be, I think it's like, I have, yeah, you have to be kind of a realist and not be like, also not like be like devastated and wind yourself up so much. Because we live in like the most insane world

where like it's pretty difficult to, if you wanna just even, if she's gonna like have a life where I bring her out and that's what I care about more, you know? I care more about like me being peaceful and being able to like show her the world than like hiding her inside and stuff like that it's like that I wanted to have like a cool life so yeah I think that's I mean it's it's important to not

over protect I think because I think yourself and your child and your loved one in general like I think over protecting in some ways can cause even more damage and it's about probably finding your perfect. Yeah. I mean nothing's perfect. No, nothing's perfect. But your most comfortable homeostasis of it all.

Yeah, you just like, there's so much that you, there's a lot that you can't control. But yeah, I guess my plan is like to just bring her, like she's coming on a tour bus and- Wait, tell me everything about that. I don't even know. I was just, all I know is that like, yeah, it's gonna be crazy.

I don't know, it's gonna be crazy. She's gonna come on the- It's gonna be fun. Yeah, and I guess like I've planned it so differently. So I'm not like on the road for like months at a time. We're gonna do a couple of weeks, come back and then do a couple of weeks again. But yeah, I don't know.

I guess, yeah, it's different in that I have to have her with me, I can't, she just needs to be. Yeah, I mean, do you feel like, do you get a little separation anxiety when you're away from her? I just don't wanna be away for, yeah. I just don't, I think that's like a really important thing. So like my life obviously is gonna, like is changing.

It's not, there's not so much of, you know, maybe I could do like a couple of days at a time, but I don't wanna be, I just, yeah. It's just you can't. Well you can't probably work in the same, like you can't quite work in the same way. Yeah, cause before, you know, it was like like you were the only one, you were sort of the one creating your boundaries just based on emotionally how you were doing.

Yeah, well, there were no boundaries. But there aren't, I can imagine there were, I mean, you know, you'd be like on tour and then, and then, you know, doing a show, you know, everywhere. Yeah, exactly. Whereas now I think it's probably like, you know, you're kind of forced. Whereas now, I think it's probably like, It's different. You know, you're kind of forced to slow down, which I think is probably a beautiful thing. You're forced to slow down a bit,

and then like, I think obviously like family is super important, like that makes you feel so much better if you have to go away for like two days or something, like you want family to be there, and we've got really great family as well. It's amazing. So that's, and it just makes your parents so happy.

Totally. It really does, it's like that's actually such a sweet part of's, and it just makes your parents so happy. Totally. It really does. It's like, that's actually such a sweet part of it. Like it's made me like feel very connected to both of our families in like a really sweet way. And it's just so amazing. Like, yeah, like seeing them light up and everything.

But yeah, the plan, yeah, I don't know. The plan is like, you can't plan Emma. I know you hate this because I can tell you're such a planner. I am? wait. That's so funny that you know, you're like, what's the plan? I know but I you can't you just have no idea what's gonna happen You kind of just have to make it up as you go. Totally. It's so inspiring to see because I think that there's a lot of especially like I don't know I think a lot of people fear Starting a family and what that does to their career, what that does to their identity, et cetera.

And so I'm always- But it is, yeah. But also, I guess I'm also speaking from a privileged place where I can have support and I can have family. Totally. That's important to know. Absolutely. Yeah.

So it's kind of like, yeah. I mean, it's an all-encompassing thing. There's definitely like sacrifices. But there's some, I think I was like ready to be able, it's almost like a great excuse for people that like, when you like kind of want to, you know, you don't maybe want to run around the world like quite as much. You can just be like, you don't maybe want to run around the world like quite as much. You can just be like, I can't. Yes.

You have the most valid, perfect excuse. Yeah. You can probably get out of any plans you want right now. You're like, I cannot go to dinner this week. I feel like you would quite like that. I would love that. You know what I mean? Like you can kind of like bring it in a little bit

and obviously you can still go out and do stuff but it kind of, yeah, maybe you'd like to run around the world a little less or maybe you'd like to, you know, I don't know. I feel like just about at the moment where I can go, okay, I'm like grown up enough. You know? I think.

That's also interesting, like, I feel like, did you have a moment where you're like, okay, I think I'm a grown up now. I think I'm ready to be a mom. I feel like that never comes for anyone. I feel like it's a myth. Yeah, but you kind of just go like, no, I kind of, yeah, I kind of just go like, no, I kind of,

yeah, I kind of was just like, yeah, not grown up enough, but I was like, I think that we could, I could like figure this out. Yeah. And then you just, and then you're just like, oh, I'm going to just do it. And then, and you just see, yeah. And then you're just like, oh. And then you rise to the occasion and everything's fine.

Yeah, exactly. Totally. And there's just like so much, yeah, there's just like, you're constantly, you're constantly learning. What kind of music are you gonna play around the house? Or what music are you playing around the house for baby? Like I feel like that's so, like I feel like I still have such a,

I'm, I feel formed from the music that my parents played. That your parents played, yeah. And I bet you do as well. Yeah, we do like, Yeah, we do like disco. I'd play a Fleetwood Mac. Some of it will actually make her a little emotional if it's too kind of like, you know? It actually really affects them.

Yes. She likes upbeat. She now likes dancing in your arms and stuff. And then, yeah, in the mornings, in the mornings I do a little, yeah, I've been, I don't know, I'm being silly silly, but I like play her like Baby Mozart and stuff, because I'm like, this is gonna like make different like neurons in her brain connect and like,

I'm trying to just make her smart, yeah. Great, honestly? I like play her the piano as well and have her like look at that and stuff. That's amazing. Yeah, all kinds. What did you listen to when you were a baby? I remember my mom played, and she said she played it in the womb as well, like Layla by

Eric Clapton. And that song, I always feel very connected to. I want to be better at it actually, because my parents, actually Tracy Chapman, I remember listening to him. But I was one of four, and it was kind of, yeah. I think when it's just you, but then when there's like four of you, it's just like, I don't know. I think my mom was like, please don't play any music.

I just don't want, I just want quiet. I can't deal with it. Kind of like probably a fun household. Yeah, it was a fun house. Yeah, it was mental. You know? It was really crazy. That's a lot of kids.

It was a lot of kids. Yeah, there was two of us. And then my mom had twins a bit later on. And that kind of just like threw everything completely just wild. Yeah. It was insane. Do you want to have, do you want to mimic that? Oh my god.

No. I don't think so. Four is crazy. Well, it was like twins, so twins and it was like a big surprise and we were actually already like six and eight or something. So I think they felt like, oh, it's kind of done. And then there were like two more. Surprise! Yeah, but that was like very fun like, oh, it's kind of done. And then, and then there were like two more. Surprise!

Yeah, but that was like very fun for, I loved it. Like I actually love having four of us. It's complicated. It's complex. Having everyone in one room is quite complicated. There's a, there are so many different dynamics between the siblings. Totally. With the parents.

Like if you put two of us and the parents together, it will be completely different. I think when we all come together, it will be completely different. I think when we all come together, it's actually quite difficult. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, of course. There's a lot of, yeah, there's a lot of-

A lot of personality is going on. There's a lot of personalities. Yeah, it was chaotic and kind of like beautifully chaotic and yeah, mad, but there's like, there's so much beauty in having a lot of you. Yeah. But yeah, oldest one, I got, yeah. And I got to kind of,

I did kind of get to watch them really grow up as well. Like I remember being told that they were coming and you know, like having the scan on the wall and carrying them around and feeding them and like everything like that. Like I feel like I got to like really like watch them grow up, which was like very special. Oh boy, I should have read the best before date on this milk.

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Is it one that's not out yet? Favorite tracks. I think the ones that are already out, oh my god, I really like doing and I love doing that one live. It's such a like upbeat kind of like crazy. Yeah, I think like, yeah, I mean, yeah, I literally went from doing things like my first album was like so like, everything was quite sad. And you know, and now, yeah, now I just kind of like been so much kind of like freer and what I could do. So I love, oh my God, I love my fun.

I went to Devon in England and did like a kind of two weeks sequester. We were in like the middle of nowhere. We had no car. We really just like completely isolated. And it feels like very like hippie, free loving. It was like very, yeah, kind of like free loving. It was like very, yeah, like the environment around us. Like we found like a bag of recorders.

You remember like you used to do like recording in school? And like thought it was like, you know, you just go like crazy and you like think that this is like the funnest thing ever. And we like, we have, I am tooting these random recorder parts all over the song. And that one, and I like thought I would take that out and then it ended up, you know, we ended up just like keeping it.

I love that. That's the best. So like that one always makes me like really smile. It's like very, very joyful and, and upbeat that song. So yeah. Oh my God. Um, what else have we put out so far? I just put out super sad.

And then the next one I have this song. I think my yeah, one of my favorite ones is the song called model actress whatever Which is like which is my out my anthem But that one that one I just shot this video for which um, which like it's like very It's like completely different from anything I've ever done. Like I'm really, it feels so good to be like so genuinely excited for people to see it. Like, you know, when you just, like everyone on it

just went above and beyond and like worked so hard and there was such amazing energy. And it's like, yeah, like that, you know, it's like taking the piss out of myself. Yes. And like, it's the whole, you know, it's like, it's like taking the piss out of myself. Yes. And like, it's the whole, there's like a script thing in it and it's, it's really taking the piss out of myself and sort of like, in like a very like empowering way. I, there's nothing more fun than that.

Right? It's fun. It's so much fun. Yes. And it's like, I don't know, like no one can, you don't fear judgment I think as much when you're making the joke about yourself first. Exactly. It's like the only time that you can put something out

and be like, you can't say shit, I already said it. Yeah, yeah. It's like, it's the safe zone. Yeah, I don't know, yeah, it's brought me like so much enjoyment, because like just the song by itself, I was like, oh, I don't know if like I like I went through a lot of that of being like, oh, because it's going to be like, you know, everyone will just that will be like your title that will be like, you know, so you want to it's like, do you want to bring that on yourself?

You've already been trying to like, not be like that. Yes. But I had this like inclination to write the song. Because I'd like I'd read... It kind of came from a bunch of different places. I've been reading this little zine thing with this woman called Jennifer Blow Dry, who's a very niche socialite that no one's ever heard of. But she was talking about the arc of women in this industry where you're like kind of, you're an engineer and you're built up and then there's like catastrophe and you fall down. I kind of, I was like very drawn to kind of those. Yeah. Like the Jane Fonder and there's a book called After Andy that is about,

there's a memoir of this woman that worked for Andy Warhol and kind of like the aftermath of his death. And there's a Liz Fair book that I was reading a lot called Horror Stories, which is amazing. It's just like her speaking so honestly about her life and like, you know, things that she's done that like, like affairs and things, you know,

just like so I love, I love like knowing about people's life like that. So yeah, it's the best. and things like, you know, just like so, I love, I love like knowing about people's life like that. So. Me too. Yeah, it's the best. It's just, it's what we want. It's what we all want. There's nothing better.

I love like a Wikipedia page. Like I love like, you know, you can discover so much. Like who is with who and like everything like that. So, but yeah, so I think that song, that yeah, that song I was like hesitant about and almost like, yeah, there was a kind of, I guess like while they've been putting the album together, there was almost like a voice being like, don't, like you've been trying, you know,

that it will be annoying, you're trying to get away from that. And then I don't know, something switched and especially, then I started like conceiving this video and I'm like, oh, absolutely hell yes. Like we're not making this like a, woe is me, like oh God, like that is not what we're doing. Like we're making this this like a, woe is me, like oh god, that is not what we're doing. Like we're making this really, really fucking fun. That's what, honestly I feel like,

it's all about having fun. Yeah, I agree with you actually. I think sometimes I've thought that it can't always be like that. Or if you're like, oh if you're working, then it has to be like all kind of- It always has to be pain. So serious and pain. And serious, yes. But it's the best, isn't it? It's like when you,... It always has to be pain and serious. Yes.

But it's the best, isn't it? It's like when you... Yeah, I'm sure you experience it too. Like you have like, you've, you know, got like fun. You've probably like built that ecosystem around you where you have fun as much as humanly possible. Yes. I do have moments where I'm like, oh, like...

It's not always fun. You know, where I'm torturing myself, I'm like, okay, you have to make things cool, or you have to make things like this, or like that, or you have to get this much done, or whatever, and it's not sustainable to torture ourselves. To be tortured all the time, yeah. Do you feel like you have a really high barometer

of how much you can be tortured? I think mine's pretty high. I think mine's pretty high. To like self-torture myself, torture myself in every kind of, yeah. Yes. I think mine's pretty high. I think mine's pretty high. To like self-torture myself, torture myself in every kind of... Yeah. Yes. I think it's pretty high. And also there's certain things that have just gotten easier as I've gotten older. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like things could like go wrong or fall apart or... I think when I was younger like it used to be a lot harder to like read things about myself or like you you know, that is difficult.

Yeah. I feel like you don't experience this. Oh, I have a hard... I like don't see any Emma Chamberlain hate ever. Oh, it is so there. Isn't it funny how like I would never know that. See, but I've never seen hate about you once in my entire life. Shut up.

No, I'm serious. You're asking this is what's so funny is that... We see it of ourselves. I know, but that's the funny thing. I think about it all the time. It's like no one ever sees anything about you. You are the psycho that goes and- And finds it.

And sees it and it's on your thing. And obviously you're in your own DMs with people putting like, some people just send me every picture that I put on Instagram. They'll send it to me with a poo emoji over the top or like a, you know what I mean? It's just like, it's relentless. Super creative. It's been going for years. Or just, yeah, with like, ah, like so angry. But yeah, there's that, or it can, you know, that's like, I find that funny, but it can be more insidious, obviously.

Of course. Yeah, I definitely found that. I did find it a lot harder when I was younger, because you're just like, and it's hard when the worst things you think about yourself, you read all the time. Well, when it's confirmed. That's so damaging, it's horrible. It's horrible. So that's hard, but I don't know.

Yeah, I don't know, I feel like I've gotten, do you feel like you've gotten a lot better than that? I feel like I just have a, I kind of have a bit of a fortress now where I'm just like, maybe it's just like, maybe I'm just kind of like numbed out I go through phases with it something if it's a new thing that like or a certain way a certain way that Yeah, no, it can always get you but I think there's a general there's a general like kind of wall that I've built

You're building this wall slowly, but surely. Yes, exactly. I do think too that like, you know the Sort of like building a family. I think further belts that like, you know, the sort of like building a family, I think further builds that wall. Yes. Because you have now such a significant like life outside of your public image. Yeah. Through having a family that like,

it just doesn't, it naturally. It just doesn't, you just don't care as much. This shit out here does not matter as much anymore. I just can't. Yeah naturally. It just doesn't. You just don't care as much. This shit out here does not matter as much anymore. I just can't. Yeah. And that's something I... You don't have the mental capacity for it. You're literally like, I'm not...

I need to go and like wipe some poo. Exactly. I don't have it. Exactly. Yes. I look forward to that. Yes. That's something that I like.

Of course. I really am... I am excited for that day. Yeah. Just's something that I like. Of course. I really am excited for that day. Just having something that's more important. Yes, exactly. Having something that's more important. Yeah, it is. I actually feel so much happier having something that's more important than any of it. Yes.

Any of it. Yes. Like doesn't matter what happens if anything goes, if anything is happening with my daughter. It's like that's, it's actually really, it's cool. Sets you free in so many ways. Yeah. Do you ever think about, do you ever like,

this sounds so dark, but I guess when I'm thinking about the memoirs, do you ever like think like what will I be like in, like what will my life be like in my like 50s and my 60s? Yes. It's weird, right? It's so weird. Yeah. I am, I'm not like afraid of it. No. Are

you? No. I always really want like longevity more than anything. I do want to be able to keep doing things and keep creating things. And you're just like, oh, like I really hope that I keep getting to do that. But like,'s so much more thing and there's so much change that happens and and thing and things that you want can will change so much. I think too that it also is like the only person that will stop you from creating more things I guess is you. I mean there is sort of this the industry of it all but I do think that no like you can make things forever but I think we do fear like well what happens if it will the opportunity go yeah does this go away. I actually don't think it ever does I think it's I think it's more I think that there's always you can always make stuff and it might be for a

different audience you know exactly or whatever but I think it's completely unknown there it's so unknown and it's all and it's kind of it is about like how much yeah it's like the um it's like the ambition it's like how much you put into it it's like I don't know I, yeah, I guess I have that belief in myself that I will like, I'll be able to ferret my way into like, and find like a space to be like fulfilled in something. But there's also like, there's so many peaks and troughs on there.

There's like, there's moments of like, there's moments of like times where everything's like crazy. And then, yeah, and I guess like, I sort of like know that from doing this for a long time, that there are peaks and troughs, that it's not, it doesn't just go like this. And I kind of feel like, because I've been doing, like, you know, starting from like 15 or whatever,

you just know, you started super young. It's like, you're not gonna, yeah. And actually that's, I love that because, I don't know, it almost feels scary to me to go so, to go so stratospheric. Yeah. And then that, because I think the more you go like this, actually, the scarier it becomes sometimes.

I agree. When you, I think the more you go like this actually, the scarier it becomes sometimes. I agree. I think, like, if you expect things to go straight path upward in anything in life at all, it will never happen. It'll never happen that way and you'll always end up sort of either disappointed or overwhelmed or like whatever. I think there's so much beauty in the ebbs and the flows of career, of love life, of

whatever it may be. A massive breakup could literally, I think, change the course of your life. 100%. It fuels you in such an amazing way as well. So I feel I feel like that's happened. You know, I see that. Oh, yeah. Like a lot of friends, like it's like that can be once you get like out of that, you never know like what that few will do or like ending a job or like something, a friendship or whatever it is. It's like it can, it can fuel you, like give you like stratospheric, like kind of. It's true.

Clearance, like yeah, everything, I think like the home life, the friends life, everything kind of like plays into each other. It's sort of like a pyramid. It all kind of has to exist together. Yeah, it is crazy how a breakup will really just, it'll just change. I'm always so excited for my friends when it happens.

I'm like, oh, I know. It's gonna be so amazing. It's like you're about to like, just like, I don't know, have a glow about you again. Such a glow, you're gonna look great. There's always like the breakup. Oh, see, sometimes I go through a breakup and I look so much better after,

like immediately, like I just like look fresh. Yeah. And then there's sometimes where I look horrible. So it depends, but it is true that in that like The the the toughest moments always have a silver lining mm-hmm. I've always long term been happy mm-hmm that You know the things have happened exactly you can't have like I just don't think you can have like joy and clarity If you haven't had like a ton of shit happen to you. I really don't like it just is impossible. I if you haven't had like a ton of shit happen to you. I really don't.

Like it just is impossible. I 100%. And there is a lot from all those things like that that's where we pull from to create things. You know, like even the good stuff too, but also the bad stuff. Like we, if we didn't have dynamic experiences like that, what would we pull from?

We'd have nothing to pull from. Yeah, we wouldn't have anything. What are you excited about creatively? Like what are you most excited to do creatively in the next, say five years? Something new, lean into music even more? Like what is on, what's in your heart? I think, I mean, it's definitely making more music. I feel like, I feel like you,

like I was at a party the other day and Beck, the musician was like, you should make as much music as humanly possible right now because you have the energy to do it. And he's like, everything that you do at the beginning is usually what stands the test of time. It's like, you know what I mean? It's kind of like when you have that spurt

and you have that energy around you. So that's like, yeah, he's like, be know what I mean? Like it's kind of like what, when you have that spur and you have that energy around you. So that's like, yeah, he's like, be prolific, do as much as possible. So like, yeah, I'm like in the studio trying to make, like make as much music as possible, like already thinking about like another album. And cause that's just like, yeah, it's like, it's so enjoyable.

It's so fun. Like I get to go on tour I get to like like I and I love that as well like I love I'm I'm so in love with performing and doing shows and like the ridiculous nature of like getting in a bus and like it's such a strange life but I I kind of just absolutely love it like it's summer camp on wheels and it's like completely bizarre. Yeah. But yeah, touring, making music. I would love to, I wanna like be in,

I wanna do it like a movie again. I'm missing it actually. I'm missing it. I'm like, ah, I really miss it. I'd love to go off and do a movie for a couple of months, I think. It's nice that you have so many different things that you love that you can go and dip your toe in over here. And then when you're getting kind of fatigued, go and dip your toe in over here.

I think a lot of people- Yeah, I think everything plays into each other in such a way. It's like, I know if there might be a moment where it's like, oh, if I'm, you know, if I'm just in the studio and I haven't gone like, nothing will go, you know, if I can go and sink into a movie for a couple of months, like it would be, I know it would, so much would come up. Like so much comes up when you're acting. Yeah.

It's, it's, and there's like so many people around, it's like this completely unique experience where you just, you know, you love everyone and you make something together. And it's like this completely unique experience where you just you know you love everyone and you make something together and it's like incredibly difficult and demanding and and like joyful at the same time and you and you're off just you go and live somewhere else for a long time. So yeah like I yeah I feel like I feel like there's such a there's such a like bleed I feel like there's such a like bleed. And I guess like things don't feel as separate as I guess you would think in a way.

Like it all kind of feels somewhat, yeah. And I guess like, I don't know, I know people get, like yeah, I feel like you can get burnt out doing something over and over again. Totally. So that's kind of like a nice thing. But yeah, it's all very unexpected because you literally have no idea if you're going to...

Like getting a part that you love is like a hard... You know, it doesn't just fall down on you all the time. Yes. Yeah. But it's still... I don't know. I went and did a self-tape yesterday. I went and auditioned for something.

It was fun. Thank you for doing this. Thank you so much. This was really fun. I cannot in audition for something. It was fun. Thank you for doing this. Thank you so much. This is really fun. I cannot wait to listen to the full album. Oh, I can't wait to. Thank you. Thank you so much for having me. Two babies album. You know what I mean? You really, you kind of had twins this year. It's amazing. Thank you. Thank you. See ya. Yay.