anything goes with emma chamberlain - what is "good taste?" [video]

Episode Date: November 2, 2023

[video available on spotify] what does it mean to have good taste in art, music, interior design, fashion, movies, photography? i almost get a gut reaction when i see something and decide whether or not i think it is a sign of good taste. but does it even exist, or is it too subjective? i'm not fully convinced that it doesn't exist, but we're going to go down the rabbit hole together and try to answer the question, what does it mean to have good taste? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What does it mean to have good taste? I'm not talking about good taste in food. I'm not talking about good taste in people. I'm talking about good aesthetic taste. What does it mean to have good taste in art, music, interior design, fashion, movies, photography? What does it mean to have good taste? When I walk through an art gallery, I can determine, in my opinion, whether or not I think, the art curate her has good taste.

Now, the art curator may not have my taste, but I have a sense that they have good taste. When I see somebody walking down the street, I can tell whether or not they have good taste, in my opinion. And they may not even have my taste, but still I can tell that they have good taste. I almost get a gut reaction when I see something and I decide whether or not liking it is a sign of good taste. And it's complicated because I like some things that I think are in bad taste. Like there's some music that I like that I think is in bad taste. Like I don't think it's actually good. There's even movies that I don't think are good,

but I like them anyway. So this leads to the question of today. What does it mean to have good taste? This episode is brought to you by Bumble. You know, it's really hot, kindness. And I'm not talking about the big stuff, like buying a super expensive gift. I'm talking about the little moments, like when they buy you flowers, just because, or check to make sure that you got home okay, or when they treat

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Okay. It's a few years ago. And a big group of friends and I decide we want to go to Joshua Tree. Out in the desert of California, we just want to have a vibe weekend, okay? So we go on Airbnb and we find a beautiful home in the middle of Joshua Tree and we book it. What I loved so much about this trip was kind of being roommates with my friends for the weekend. And we all just got to play house. We cooked for ourselves, we cleaned up after ourselves, and we just had a really good time.

This house was phenomenal too. I mean, everybody got their own bedroom. Everybody had their own private space. We had a private pool, a private hot tub. This house was so aesthetically beautiful that we were all just happy to be sitting in there and looking at it, because it was just gorgeous. It was super private so we could all just be ourselves and

hang out in the backyard and have fun and truly be by ourselves in the desert. I have a lot of great Airbnb memories. More to come. We put a lot of value on good taste. You know, I tend to be attracted to people romantically and plotonically who I believe have good taste in things. I consider my taste to be a huge piece of my own identity. My aesthetic taste is a huge piece of my identity, and I am biased, but I think I have good taste in stuff. That's a huge part of who I am, and how I express myself to the world. And although it's such a relevant topic in my life, I've never investigated

aesthetic taste. What is good taste? Does it even exist? Or is it so subjective that it doesn't exist? I'm not fully convinced that it doesn't exist. But we're going to go down the rabbit hole together and try to answer the question, what does it mean to have good taste? Let's start with what aesthetic taste is. Taste is the most common trope when talking about the intellectual judgment of an object's aesthetic merit. To better understand this definition, let's also define aesthetic, concerned with beauty or the appreciation of beauty. So basically, aesthetic taste is what we find beautiful and interesting.

How do humans develop their taste? I was so mind blown when I started researching this, that we have not figured out how we develop our tastes as human beings. There's no solid answer. Like, oh, we're born with our taste. Or we develop our taste as we grow up, or it's a combination of the two. They have yet to figure out how we develop our taste. But some philosophers believe that our aesthetic tastes are innate, meaning we're born with them, though they're refined as we grow older and we're exposed to more aesthetic things. So our taste is literally deep, deep within us and it's sort of unchangeable.

We're born with our minds made up on what we like and don't like, but our taste evolves as we grow older and we see more and we experience more. And I have some personal evidence for this theory. And I have some personal evidence for this theory. Growing up, I had a very specific point of view when it came to what clothes my parents put on me, or what movie they put into the DVD player, or what music they played in the car on the way home from even preschool. Like from a very young age, my parents have told me,

I knew what I liked and I knew what I didn't like. And when I was that young, I didn't have any bias. You know, there's so much bias when you get older because when you get older, you want to fit in. You're like, I want to watch the movies that other kids think are cool or other adults think are cool at times, depending on what type of adult you are. Or I want to watch the movies that other kids think are cool or other adults think are cool at times depending on what type of adult you are. Or I want to wear what other kids or adults think are cool.

I want to listen to the music that other kids or adults think are cool. As you become more socially aware, you start to become more malleable and you start making decisions not just based on your own preference, but when I was a child and I had no bias at all. I still had a very very specific point of view and I find that so interesting. Like for example, there were things that I liked that were actually kind of embarrassing for example, I used to love to wear actually kind of embarrassing. For example, I used to love to wear Halloween costumes all year round. I had this dolphin costume, I believe it was. I would just wear that around the house all year round. If it was up to me, I would have worn that to school. You know, I was probably around four or five years old. Like, I had no bias. That's just what I liked. I liked wearing the dolphin costume around the house.

I was so picky about music, so picky, and so picky about movies and TV, so picky. And beyond that, like, my taste throughout my life has been so consistent in a weird way. The music that I liked as a young kid tracks so well with what I like now. The progression seems natural. The types of clothing that I was attracted to as a child. Again, there's like a natural path to where I'm at now.

I mean, the dolphin costume, listen, I'm not wearing a dolphin costume now, but I feel like that represents how I like to get dressed up and wear things that are more avant-garde. I don't know, maybe I'm reaching, I might be reaching. Like making a connection there, I'm kind of reaching, but I don't know, as a kid, I also like to wear tutus and like sparkly red shoes and lots of jewelry and lots of accessories. And again, as an adult, I'm very much that way.

My favorite movie as a kid was Coraline. And I've grown up enjoying movies very similar to Coraline. Movies with a similar intensity, movies with a similar intensity, movies with a similar aesthetic. Like I see that connection, and I still love that movie. I also weirdly loved like Hot Topic as a kid, like I loved going into Hot Topic.

Cause I had like a little goth streak in me. You know, I had a little goth streak in me. You know, I had a little goth streak in me. And it's funny because I never dressed like it, but I always had it in me. And that's followed me throughout my life too, where I do have like a little dark goth vibe in me. But it's very mild and it only comes out sometimes. But that's been very consistent throughout my life as well.

I don't know, I don't know, like, am I reaching? A little bit, maybe, but when I look at my whole life and my aesthetic taste throughout my whole life, it's just been so consistent to me. And the evolution has been so seamless. It doesn't mean that I've liked the same things my whole life, but rather each phase that I've had has felt like a proper stepping stone

to the next thing in a way. And there have been some drastic changes in taste, but in my brain, it still kind of makes sense. In retrospect, any aesthetic preferences that I had that don't track with who I am to my core now were aesthetic preferences that I had to try to fit in. Like that's the outlier, but I wouldn't even count that as being my taste because it wasn't. It wasn't my taste. It was the taste of the people around me and I was copying it. It was forced. So anything that does not make sense in the general evolution of my aesthetic taste was not my own taste. So I don't know.

I mean, I'm kind of sold on that theory, but there's another theory. Some philosophers believe that we're born a blank slate completely. In our aesthetic senses are learned over time through our personal experiences in our exposure to aesthetic things. I have a little bit of a harder time with this one, but I do also have some personal evidence to back up this one as well. My taste very closely resembles my dad's taste. My dad showed me a lot of music, a lot of movies,

a lot of fashion, a lot of art growing up. And him and I do have very similar taste. Now, what confuses me is that I don't like everything that my dad likes. There's a lot of music that my dad showed me growing up that I liked, but there's also a lot that I didn't like. Same thing with art, same thing with movies, same thing with everything. And we still disagree on things all the time. Another thing that confuses me is that my mom also showed me music in movies, not as much art.

I mean, my dad is an artist, so that's why I saw art with him. But my mom didn't show me art, but music, movies, interior design with her, because she's very into interior design. We have a little bit of overlap, but I would argue we have very different tastes in almost everything. I was equally exposed to aesthetic things for my mom and dad, but I did not ever align with my mom's taste. And it's just like, it doesn't make sense because in my own personal life, I just don't see as much evidence

for this theory that we're blank slates. To be honest, I think if anything, it's kind of a combination of the two. But I'm leaning towards the first theory, which is that we're sort of born with our taste. This episode is brought to you by Airbnb. Let me tell you my favorite Airbnb story. Okay, it's a few years ago and a big group of friends and I decide we want to go to Joshua Tree. Out in the desert of California, we just want to have a vibey weekend. Okay, so we go on Airbnb

and we find a beautiful home in the middle of Joshua Tree and we book it. What I loved so much about this trip was kind of being roommates with my friends for the weekend. And we all just got to play house. We cooked for ourselves, we cleaned up after ourselves, and we just had a really good time. This house was phenomenal too. I mean, everybody got their own bedroom. Everybody had their own private space. We had a private pool, a private hot tub. This house was so aesthetically beautiful that we were all just happy to be sitting in there and looking at it because it was just gorgeous. It was super private

so we could all just be ourselves and hang out in the backyard and have fun and truly be by ourselves in the desert. I have a lot of great Airbnb memories, more to come. Okay, so now that we have discovered virtually nothing because nobody really knows how we develop our taste. Let's try to figure out if good taste even exists. Is it even a real thing?

Because taste is subjective. It's opinion-based. Everybody interprets and perceives things differently. Therefore, taste is arguably not even real. It's a figment of our imagination. It's not tangible, it's not real. It's all in our silly little brain. But see, I don't really feel comfortable with saying that taste doesn't exist because

it does exist. It's so relevant in day-to-day life. Yeah, technically, it doesn't exist because it's not tangible and it's not real, but it plays such a big role in so many things that we do in life that it feels wrong to say that it's not a legitimate thing. Some argue that good taste does exist though. So there is also an argument for good taste existing. Good taste is taste that is unbiased, well-practiced, and properly exercised through experience. Let's really dive into that. Unbiased meaning, you're not listening to your friends. You're not listening to the media. You genuinely like something and find it beautiful

because you do. We so often like something because other people like it. I mean, my entire identity in middle school was built of what everybody else thought was cool and good and great. Not what I thought was cool and good and great. Not what I thought was cool and good and great. Even now, when I spend time around certain people, I start to like the things that they like.

And sometimes that's genuine, but sometimes it's not. It's really hard to be completely unbiased in life because there's a whole lot of noise telling us what to like, what to not like, what's cool to like, what's not cool to like. A person with good taste also has well-practiced and properly exercised taste, meaning they know what the fuck they're talking about. If they have good taste in music, it's because they listen to a lot of music. And maybe they studied music. Somebody who has good taste in clothing studied music. Somebody who has good taste in clothing has done a fuck ton of research on fashion. Look set fashion magazines all the time. Reads fashion books all the time.

Is making Pinterest boards all the time. Somebody who knows a lot about fashion. Somebody who has good taste in art knows a lot about art. Maybe makes art themselves. You get the idea. taste in art. Knows a lot about art. Maybe makes art themselves. You get the idea. It's hard to have good taste in something if you have not involved yourself in that art form. Like for example, I don't know if I have good taste in movies because I haven't watched a lot of movies in my life. I think my taste in movies is very heavily tied to my taste in everything else. And my taste in a lot of other things are more developed. So maybe my taste in movies is better because of that, but I'm not a movie connoisseur. So I can't walk around saying I've great taste in movies.

I mean, maybe I would if I started watching them more, but I wouldn't feel comfortable telling people I had good taste in movies because I just don't watch movies. So ultimately, we've determined nothing, right? Because we don't even really know if taste exists. I think it does, but because it's so subjective, it's up for debate, kind of. And it's even more tricky because good taste

can look different for everyone. There are so many different ways to have good taste. It's not like one specific aesthetic. It's not one specific style. As I mentioned earlier, when I see something tasteful, I can point it out even when it's not my taste and I feel like what I see is something that's

thoughtful something that's personal something that's creative and unique something that's genuine and weirdly something that's humble like those are the consistent qualities that are present when I think something is tasteful I'll give some examples of

Tasteful things in my opinion in my opinion when I see somebody walking down the street and they're wearing a tasteful outfit That usually means that they're wearing something that they clearly put a lot of time into putting together. Maybe there's a cohesive color scheme, maybe there's a cohesive theme, maybe there's a lot of intricate little accessories, maybe it matches their personality really well, like you're watching them walk down the street in their outfits Just matches them perfectly and you're like wow that is so cool, you know It doesn't look like a carbon copy of something else that you've seen before it feels a

Little fresh and a little new it might have bits and pieces from pop culture or Whatever, but it still feels fresh. I would say tasteful music can be anything that hits a nerve. It makes you feel something deep because the way that it was composed or the lyrics that were put along with it are so real and so true and so genuine that it just hits a nerve. It hits a nerve and it gives you that feeling. We all know that feeling. We all know that feeling that we get when we hear a song and it just fucking hits and we don't know why and we don't know what it is and it just makes us feel a certain type of way. But like there's definitely music that I enjoy that to me is not tasteful.

It doesn't hit that nerve the same way, but it's fun. And so I enjoy it still, but it's like there's a difference there, you know what I mean? when I walk into somebody's house and It's decorated in a way that's truly comfortable In livable while still being Inspiring to the person living in it. That's good taste. I think tasteful home decor balances comfort with aesthetic. And that is a truly tasteful home.

Something that's comfortable and livable, yet something that says something about the person living there that has a thoughtful color scheme. I keep hesitating. See, this is what's so hard about this topic is that it's so subjective. Like, you can't put a finger on it. So me even saying, like, has a thoughtful color scheme. It's like, yeah, maybe. But somebody can have really good taste and literally have no color scheme. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, it's hard to put a finger on, but when I personally think about what is tasteful to me,

these are the things that I think of, these are the through lines across all the different things that could possibly be good taste in my eyes anyway, but it's so hard to put a finger on. Now, let's discuss popular opinion versus good taste. I feel like we would assume that if something was popular among human beings, that it's tasteful. It's in good taste, but in my opinion, enjoying what's trending popular widely enjoyed,

in example, being like Taylor Swift or Picasso, isn't necessarily good or bad taste. Like something's popularity has nothing to do with whether or not it's tasteful. In my opinion, I think the only way to judge if something is tasteful is to strip away all of its value in society and then to judge it. How would this song be if no one else had ever listened to it? What would I think of this art piece if no one else had ever seen it? What would I think of this clothing piece

if no one else had ever worn it? I think that that's the only way to judge any kind of art to determine whether or not it's tasteful, at least in your opinion. There are a lot of popular things that are really bad. Popular movies, popular music, popular art, even bad. It can be really fucking bad. It can also be really, really, really fucking good and it's popular for reason. But see again, I'm calling it bad, but that's just my opinion. I mean,

oh god, it is just my opinion. Jeez. I mean, a lot of people share that opinion with me, but still it's just our opinion, right? Things can become popular for a number of reasons, Things can become popular for a number of reasons because there are some people out there whose taste consists of mainly popular things. And some people would argue that that's having bad taste. I don't think that that's having bad taste. I think that's just having taste that is not yet developed. Because what else is there to like other than popular things if you don't have any interest in digging around on the internet and digging around in the library and digging around in galleries to develop your taste more, right? And I think a lot of times popular things tend to be more simple and more digestible in a way. They're not polarizing or weird or unusual or as challenging. And that's why they're mainstream

because they can appeal to a wide audience in one way or another. And I think that that puts people off who have more developed taste in things. They're like popular stuff is fucking lame and fucking boring and too easy to understand and blah, blah, blah, blah, it's not good. It could never be good. If it's mainstream, it's not good. It could never be good. If it's mainstream, it's not good.

And as much as I do think that it's true that mainstream things tend to be more simple, that doesn't necessarily mean that they're always bad. Can they be bad? Yeah, but again, I don't think that popularity and tastefulness are related. I would argue. That's my opinion. I don't think that they are related. I would argue, that's my opinion. I don't think that they're related because there are so many things that are not mainstream

that are incredibly tasteful. There are so many things that are not mainstream that are not tasteful at all. There are so many things that are mainstream that are tasteful. I just don't think that there is a relationship there. Now let's discuss the relationship between taste and money. Good taste and wealth are often confused, and I think it's because there's some overlap.

Pierre Bourdout, a French philosopher known for his book Distinction, A Social Coutique of the Judgment of Taste, was one of many to note that good taste was merely a way of society's ruling class to separate themselves from those less powerful. Weaponizing good taste is not hard to do because number one, the more money you have to buy access in life. And art and aesthetic things tend to be excessive. They're usually not necessity. Wealthy people can afford to buy clothes that aren't functional, but

are just tasteful. They can afford to buy a really crazy piece of art that's super expensive. And though many expensive things are very tasteful, there are also a lot of expensive things that are not tasteful, in my opinion, but that's why it's confusing because there are a lot of tasteful things that are expensive. And so it's easy to think of good taste and just think of expensive things.

But I'm a firm believer that once again, those two things are not connected. I mean, I do think that to an extent, money is necessary to express your taste to the world, to buy certain clothes, to buy or even make art. I think music tends to be more fair game. It does cost a bit of money to express your taste. But again, expressing your taste is different than the taste that you have inside you. And that's sort of what we're talking about. What is good taste? What does it mean to have

good taste? And just because you're wealthy and you can afford this, this, and that, and you can express your taste as loud as you want. It doesn't mean you have good taste. It doesn't mean the things that you're selecting are good. They're just expensive. And they might be good, but they might not be. be good, but they might not be. Somebody who does not make as much money, but has good taste, might thrift an outfit that looks phenomenal and is so tasteful, and might make art that is incredible, might even buy art from their friends for like 15 bucks and it's incredible. Do you see what I'm saying? Like it makes sense to me why good taste and wealth get confused. Like we've all watched those architectural digest tours, house tours that are just fucking hideous. They're hideous. The house is $150 million. The decor is hideous. The design, the whole design hideous hideous. Now some might argue that we who cannot afford a $150 million

house could never understand the taste that is present in this home because we just don't get it. But I'm not so fucking sure. I'm so sorry, I'm not so fucking sure. Because as some of those homes, I'm just like, I can't even see a world, I can't even see a world where this is tasteful. I can't understand it. Is every single piece in that home expensive?

Absolutely for sure, for sure. But is it tasteful? No, I don't think so. And I read the comments and no one else thinks it's tasteful either. I don't know, I don't know. But I think people automatically assume that expensive things are tasteful.

And so they sort of blindly purchase these things. They buy a piece of art because it's a million dollars. They buy this furniture collection because it's five million dollars. And they don't really know if it's good or not, but somebody told them it was, so now they're buying it. Or they kind of like it, but they know that it's a status symbol and that's really why they're buying it. Like, I don't know. I just don't get it sometimes.

Listen, there are $150 million homes out there that are fucking gorgeous and tasteful and incredible. And I've watched those house stores too. And yeah, maybe there is a $5 million furniture set in there and maybe there is a million dollar piece of art in there. But more often than not, I find I'm shocked by what I perceive to be the lack of taste in things that are incredibly expensive. I mean, even when I'm online looking at designer clothing,

I'm like, what is half of this? What the hell is this? This is a $5,000 jacket and I find it to be hideous. I would rather go to the thrift store buy something for $3 that actually is cool and tasteful. This is not cool and tasteful. But again, maybe I just, maybe I personally just don't understand certain things.

I've seen a bit of chatter online about how wealthy people tend to have bad taste. And I have noticed the same thing. It's not always true, it's absolutely not always true. But I see it a lot. And I wonder if it's because in order to become a multi-multimillionaire, maybe even a billionaire, you have to spend so much time working towards making that money, you don't have any time to explore aesthetics. You don't have time to explore art, you don't have time to explore music, you don't have time to explore fashion.

You're so wrapped up in making that money that you don't have time to do anything else. I've also theorized that some people who have had money their entire lives had never out to question it, have been able to get whatever they want their whole lives. I've never had a reason, a deep emotional reason, to explore the arts. Again, I'm not talking about all people who grew up wealthy, but I think maybe growing up wealthy, you just develop a taste for just things that are simply expensive, not necessarily for things that are deeply tasteful. Maybe there's not a desire to go and explore fashion because you're like, well, I don't need to look any further

than my favorite designer stores. But that's not how you develop your taste. You develop your taste by looking everywhere. You know what I mean? Not just expensive stores. Do you know what I mean? Again, there are a lot of very wealthy people with very good taste. I mean, Again, there are a lot of very wealthy people with very good taste. I mean, it's not, again, it's not necessarily, but I just, I have noticed also that there does seem to be something interesting happening there. So how do we develop our taste? How do we hopefully develop good taste? Although I'm going back and forth on whether

or not I believe good taste is a real thing. It's really bothering me. Like I don't know, I don't know, and no one does. People much smarter than me have not decided whether or not good taste or taste at all exists. And that's something that we have to deal with. That's something that we have to remember when we're falling asleep tonight. I think what it really comes down to is exposing yourself to as much as you can.

The more that you expose yourself to aesthetic things, the more your taste develops. It's that simple. You just have to go out there and experience. That's it. And through those experiences, your taste will develop. And I would recommend to look everywhere. Listen to pop music.

Listen to random music that has no streams. Like listen to everything that you can find. Go down weird rabbit holes on Pinterest and find cool fashion stuff. Buy vintage magazines, fashion magazines. Look through those. Watch a fuck ton of movies. Ones that have good ratings, ones that have bad ratings, ones that have 10,000 views, ones that have 50 million views.

If you wanna develop your taste in a category, just consume as much of it as you can. I also think it's important to remember that it doesn't cost money necessarily to develop your taste. And in fact, I think taste develops much more organically and genuinely when money is not involved Going into a thrift store and putting together a tasteful outfit can cost 10 bucks

but it develops Your taste you can expose yourself to these things Using books using the internet like it's never been easier to develop your taste if that's something you want to do It's never been easier and more accessible. I'd argue because of the internet, I think as long as your taste is unbiased, genuine, and based on a good amount of exposure and knowledge and experience,

chances are you probably have good taste or at least you have developed taste and I'm starting to feel like there's no such thing as good or bad taste but rather developed and underdeveloped taste because I feel like saying something's good or bad that's subjective is I don't know it doesn't it doesn't feel right to me, it feels kind of wrong. It feels mean. Like you're always hurting somebody's feelings. I mean, I think you can still hurt somebody's feelings by calling their taste underdeveloped,

but it's less insulting to me because it's like, I will admit the areas that I have under develop taste, like movies being a great example. That is less hard to say for me. It feels much less good to say I have bad taste in movies because I don't know if I do like bad, like really wow, ouch. You know what I mean? That hurts. Underdeveloped I think is more accurate.

I don't have a lot of knowledge there, simply put. I feel like people's interests tend to be consistent. Like if you listen to this type of music, you probably like this type of movie, and if you like that type of movie, you probably like this type of interior design. And if you like this type of interior design, you'll probably like this type of clothing.

I feel like these things all go hand in hand weirdly and most people fit into some sort of aesthetic category like based on their taste. And that makes the plot thicken. That thickens the plot for me because we do seem to be sort of broken up based on our aesthetic preferences. I don't know, most people sort of fit into a category. I don't know. What is good taste? My conclusion is I don't fucking know. And that's actually sort of a relief in a way. Because I know I have put pressure on myself throughout my life to have good taste in things. And at the end of the day, it doesn't really exist. And I just need to like the things that I like because I fucking like them.

And I need to make those decisions based on what is beautiful and exciting and intriguing to me. And there's really no right answer. And all I can do is work on developing my taste. If that's something I want to do. And what I end up liking and disliking seems to be not up to me. It's like what my brain just chooses to enjoy. And I think when you honor the things that you enjoy, then your life becomes more gorgeous. So I don't know. That was a really challenging topic. And if you're curious about something,

try to teach yourself about it. And you might end up even more confused than when you started looking into it. But it's always good to try. And you'll learn something about yourself if nothing else along the way. I hope that you enjoyed this episode. If you hated it, totally cool with me. Just wait until next episode. Maybe you'll like that one better.

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