Are You A Charlotte? - A FAKE FENDI!?

Episode Date: December 23, 2025

Molly Rogers discusses the fake Fendi and Samantha in a visor!  We’re going inside the Playboy Mansion and dressing for California vs New York.And, the outfit that is diabolical!!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Now, I have a little bit of a fun thing to talk about really quick. We go to L.A. in this season. Isn't that bizarre? I was shocked when I saw your photos that L.A. happened that early. That's what I think, too. I feel like we would have had to earn it like season four. No. I mean, we were just rolling with it.

all, right? Like, we were just like, woo-hoo, we're going to L.A. And look at this crazy set of outfits. This is when Charlotte has not arrived yet, right? Because I'm back there with Trey. And Kim is in like, full-body blue

LeMay. Sequence. I don't know. Sequins. I mean, this is when we're going. Oh, my God. Do you remember that line called Mandalay on like the seventh floor of Bloomingdale's or something? Mandalay.

No. Oh, no. that was at century, Mandelae. Wow. That's today's Shimu. Oh. Or shine or whatever it's called. Sheen.

Sheen. Yeah. God. Mandalay was. You're so funny. Mandalay is today's she. Wow. And what is her Jessica wearing?

It looks like she's taken like a blanket or a granny, granny core. That was a really dear friend of Pats called Hushy, who was Iranian, who was painting. Iranian women in Burka, like very political. Ooh. And Sarah Jessica was into it and she actually wore one of his vest in the movie in Morocco. Amazing. And with a woman. Yeah.

And he made this? Yeah. You can see the rose and the woman. Yeah. I see her. Old Persian image. Got it. How beautiful.

That's when Pat wore a name necklace that said, Al-Aqba. Oh, yes. God is good. Yes. And the elevator guy was Islamic. And he told Pat in the elevator, I'll cut your neck. He thought that was very, very, you know.

Disrespectful. Listen, this is some foreshadowing here, okay, of where we're going to go in the second movie. Oh, my gosh. I told the second AD Peter Saldo that this man was going to slit Pat throat open because of her name necklace. Peter got rid of him. And when Pat and I got into the elevator again, the guy that was standing there said,

I'm his brother. Oh my God. I know. It's really good. It's a really good. It's a really good story. I mean, these are things that happened.

Now, other important question. How did the mismatch shoes come about? You know how you're trying? You do the same thing in your fittings. You have one on one and one on the other. And you're like, which one did I like? What do you think with the left?

What do you think with the right? Why do we have to choose? That's really lovely. I love it. It's very Sir Jessica. It's very Sir Jessica. You don't have to choose, baby. That's what you say.

You don't have to choose. No. Yeah, I love that we got that in. There was such a short list of things that we wanted to get in. And sometimes you got it, you know, you got to do it. I'm so glad. Like that fork in the, remember the fork in Carrie's clutch bag? No.

She was like, I want to go out to dinner and take, take some silverware from the restaurant. Like people, you know, you steal the napkin from the monkey club or whatever. Yeah? So she had a see-through clutch and there was a fork in it. What? You didn't know. No, how did I miss this? I've got to find it now.

So weird. We're going to find it. Okay, another question, important question. The fake Fendi. Why did, what, what were we up to here? I can't imagine that Fendi was happy with us who were big Fendi lovers. And here we were doing the, the knockoff. I know.

But in the end, don't we, don't we come out on the side that you shouldn't buy the knockoffs? Yes, yes. I haven't watched it yet, you know? Samantha is identified as she sees a girl at the Playboy Mansion that has stolen her Fendi. And the girl's like, yours isn't even real. You know, so it was that. Got it. Can I say this little crochet thing that I'm wearing?

I still have. It's really tiny. And sometimes I go to get it out and I'm like, I don't even know why I have this. Here's why I have it. Incredible. Is that a dress? No, it's just like a little crop top. Like my daughter would probably love it.

it, but I wouldn't want her to wear it. Okay, you're wearing a crop top in the cafe at the standard. Okay. I mean, I don't know what I'm wearing on the bottom half. Like, it's super fascinating. I haven't rewatched this episode yet. I'd love to see it. Me too.

And also, you've got Kim and a visor, you know, Pat's visor obsessed, as we know. Visor obsessed. Who's this, that Louis Vuitton or somebody? It looks like it, yeah. I remember. She's in a bathing suit. You're in a bathing suit. Everybody's dressed for California.

That's what you guys look like there in the cafe scene. Definitely, definitely. I've got to rewatch it to figure out what the heck we're doing. I mean, coming up, we're going to be walking through. I remember this too, man. This crazy outfit. I mean. Like it was yesterday.

Right. And us in that Playboy Mansion, what a super bizarro experience. I mean, I could not believe that we were going to shoot there. I have a great picture of me and Huff and his three girlfriends. Oh, Lord, Lord, Lord. Did you ever go into the house where the girls stayed and there's that whole room that's all carpet? We had to sit in there. That was our green room.

Oh, was it? Yes, the game room. Oh, yeah. With the pinballs and the thing. Yeah, and they had like X-rated sculptures that were like inside glass in the like there was like a conversation pit. I use quotation marks. Yeah, yeah, that's a perfect. perfect name for that. Yes, and we were kind of stressed in that room, I have to say. And at the time,

I remember that I was very kind of against it all, but I was, I was like alone in it, being against it. And we know so much more now, and we know that they weren't all thrilled. But when you were there, you could tell that those girls, it was, it was wacky. Those girls were not happy. No, high, high, competitiveness, high. Now, what happens to you at that pool party? You're with some guy laying on towels and pillows. Do you remember? No. I haven't rewatched it. Charlotte? I think you ditch him. Yeah, you ditch him or something. Something because I'm married. I think I'm married and I'm having problems or whatever. Maybe that's what it is because he's adorable and you're all excited and then I think you kick him to the

curb. Could be wrong, but. Oh my gosh. I remember. You're not thinking, you're not thinking of my weird time that I pretend to be 25 in the Hamptons and I get crabs from that guy. No, I just watched that recently. That is a great episode. It's so bizarre. You are so good in that episode. Oh, thank you, babe. I think I seem like I'm on acid or something in that episode. You know what I mean? I'm like, you know, like, hilarious. But I'm also wearing Shoshana. Do you remember when Shoshana was, I don't know if she still makes clothes, but this bikini top is Shoshana. And I love Shoshana because it fit me. It was for women with, you know, bodies, right? Yeah. And it had that little preppy print that we often reached for.

Yeah, here we've got the cherries. We used it quite a bit. We did. We really did. I think I have some of those. She also had that classic halter top dress. Yep. And I still have, this is my own sarong that I still have.

And I was just so happy I got to wear it. Because I remember just being panicked. I'm so glad you had. Yeah, I remember you were looking for something. Yep. I'm so happy that it worked out. And I think Cynthia might have this. I don't know if she has this dress.

but she should have this dress because it's fantastic. I don't know who made it. Look at those Miranda colors. Gorgeous. So gorgeous. Everybody looks so great. Yeah, it's a good one. And the thing that I remember, and I don't know what your thoughts are on this,

because once we got to be doing and just like that, obviously, I was more paying attention to what you were having to go through in terms of getting everybody kind of modulated to each other. But back in the olden days, how much. of the overall look were you stressing about, you know? I want to say that you really had on in just like that a very finely tuned producer hat. Oh, thank you.

Like you looked at the bigger picture. Well, that's the fun of it, right? Yeah. Yeah. It was cool. You knew you wanted to know what was going on in the world. I think always, if you're asking this, you know, it was so helpful to always get Sarah Jessica first and fit her and know what she was wearing. And then Pat could art direct the coffee shop.

She's in stripes. You're in polka dots. This one's in purple. And that one's in chinchilla, whatever. And I think it helped to always be able to, you know, plant Carrie and then do it art direction-wise on everyone else. Right. Right, right, right. That was such a great thing that everybody had their own lane and no one ever would wear someone else's style.

You just couldn't swap them like a lot of times you can on television. That is so true. That is so true. There are little things, though, like we did jump around a bit, but when we're on the boat where we have just gotten tray, and I'm wearing this beautiful Dolce print, like Sherbert colored print. I looked at that picture. Uh-huh. Do you remember this?

Oh, yeah. Of course, I remember this. This was really fun. We're on a boat in the Hudson River, and we had to keep turning around so that the background matched. Right. So it was a long day on the boat. And Kyle was new, right?

Like, this is maybe his second episode, right? So it was really, really fun. So I'm wearing this Dolce dress, which I think I really was so excited that I got to have a Dolce dress, right? But then I'm cold, so I have a Pajmina, which was not really in my lane. Well, I mean, Paschmina is. were really like a thing.

They were such a thing. Such a thing. S.J's got on a bulgarie Nazi. That's another tell. You've got a Pashmina. It's like starting to get expensive. S.J's wearing a bulgarie necklace. Yeah, that was a good one too.

Yeah, I love that Bulgarian. What is Trey doing in that pink preppy? I know. I think it's pink and brown, Molly. Like literally I think he's wearing a brown. brown suit. Oh my God. With pink. That is crazy. It is crazy. With her scarf neck.

Oh my gosh. That is a crazy one. I know it. Right. Right. Right. We have so many. So, so many. Your lipstick skirt. I know. Let's talk about that. Do you remember when I called and I was like, I need to have this skirt? I couldn't have, I didn't think that you could have found a better skirt. Thank you. Thank you, babe. Pat was like now. I know you have that. Oh, I have it. I wear it. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Judiciously, you know, on special occasions. Look at that. And I love the Prada bowling bag, which I didn't get to keep, of course. It's funny because there's no belt. Like, what came over, Pat? I think it was because we had to have matching because I was falling in the street.

The stunt, yeah. Right. Because normally she would have had some five-inch belt on there, you know? Oh, yeah. And I love that you're in the classic white. blouse. I know. I have that too. I have that too. I wore that when Megan, this dying, came on the podcast. Oh, my gosh. You've had such amazing guests. Thank you, but I was like, I don't know why I wore it for Megan. Megan does not care. Do you know what I mean? Hilarious. I love it. I know. I know. Really good listening. Thank you. Thank you, babe. Okay, wait. Let's talk about, did you know that I had Chloe Mall on the podcast before she got named Head of Vogue? I didn't even know that she was in line. You know,

Who did? I know, Sir Jessica. Sir Jessica told me. Sir Jessica was like, Chloe's going to be the new editor. I was like, oh, my God, I can't believe you know this. And cool for Chloe, because she's very, very cool. And she's Candace's daughter. So, of course, we love her.

And we had asked her in advance, you know, what costumes, what clothes would you like to talk about from the show? And so she sent things that were so unexpected. And for Charlotte, she basically sent all of my vintage nightgowns. wow what a story i know very interesting right that's a whole topic it is a whole topic and luckily i have most of them except i do not have this tacky thing okay i was looking at that from the pictures that you sent which i am looking at now how did we come up with this it is very salacious and i remember being super stressed about it like you must have been so so you must

So self-conscious. And also, I remember calling my manager because I think, I think possibly that Pat felt like I should not be wearing underwear. That sounds totally correct. I am not going to change your statement at all. That sounds like something. Why? What's wrong with a nipple? Right. A nipple and or other things. Exactly. You know, it's so interesting that Chloe would say, the nightgown story because you took your moments in your bedroom or washing your face or whatever was happening in your private inner home and you made that a real um scene that we could shop for oh thank you you guys made it not me not me one of us would ever pass up a pajama set oh my god i know that was fun times but even back then it was more the vintage the vintage you know 90s that you guys found.

I don't know how you. They look incredible on you. Thank you, baby. Where did you find them? Where did you go? Everywhere. As I remember, everywhere. Nothing really pops out in my head.

Like we would put that on the shopping list and say we have to stop by, blah, blah, blah. Right. But I'm sure everywhere because Pat was such a vintage order. Thank goodness. Yeah, thank goodness. Now let me ask you this. This is the season where I remember that we had a lot of more people. people on the costume roster, you know?

Ooh, you are devilish. I am devilish. It's true. But just for everyone, because I think it's interesting. So there's Pat and there is you. And then explain the other parts of the department. Season three was Pat, her girlfriend of, I don't know how many years. No.

Rebecca's not still there. No. Season three? Yes, ma'am. Because Pat decided to give a raise and a punch-up to one of the drivers of the van, and he became a shopper along with someone else. And it was so contentious. So wait, wait, wait, wait.

I did not remember that Rebecca stayed along this long. Like, I thought she was gone season one. No, she was there when the two shoppers got bumped up. Okay, so then we've got shoppers. Okay, so wait, okay, let's, let's rehash a little bit. So we've got you guys at the top, and then we've got tailors over here. We've got our dressers on stage, though at that point, we didn't each have a dresser. I don't know if Malai was with us.

I think she was, and I think we were all fighting over Malai. We all wanted Maylai to dress us, right? Yeah. And we had Kevin. So good. Kevin was still around. Yes. And he could sew and also like help with emergencies or whatever. Yeah.

And then. That's right. Right. And then we had shoppers. And like once we get to and just like that, like I had my own shopper, which was fantastic, right? Are you laughing at me? Why are you laughing at the setup of this structure that year? I know.

It's interesting because this is when I remember it actually kind of becoming much more functional in some ways. but then also maybe because past... Disfunctional. Yes, there's some dysfunction also in it. I think because of the success also, don't you think? Yeah, absolutely. And people were kind of drawn and coming. Like there was a certain point where I remember you guys had a bunch of interns.

I don't think it had happened yet, right? Like, when did the interns come? You could still have interns and not pay them and work them for hours. And I have a letter. I have a letter in my memento box with all those magazines, and there's a letter from an intern saying, I can no longer work here because of the way I've been treated. I was told to never look at the actors in their eyes. What? It's the funniest.

But who ever said that? No one, but it's just I would have. I mean, I don't remember anyone saying anything like that. It goes on and on about the abuse they suffered as an intern with us. It's so good. It's like, what's her name that everybody's in love with right now that has the PR company that she comes and says crazy stuff. Like, there's no crying in fashion. Oh, God, I love her so much.

What's her name? What's her name? I do, I do. She was like last week or whatever. It was all over Instagram. That was really fun. Oh, I love her. Anyway, it was those days where you could be like, no, no one goes to the bathroom and no one eats until this stuff is checked in.

Okay, so Pat has taken a driver and decided we love this driver and we're going to give this driver a raise. And then one of the shoppers, who we will not name, gets kind of chummy with the driver who's been promoted and they feel disgruntled in some way. Yeah, and they feel also that they, all of a sudden, the power of getting the promotion from driver to shopper, it went to their heads, and they wanted to overthrow the Pat government. Ooh, after you've gotten a promotion from Pat, you want to overthrow Pat. That is not cool. Well, thank God. I mean, that's bonkers. So your plan didn't quite work out.

But your first strategy was to go to Sarah Jessica and tell her that Pat drank too much. I don't want to move away from the mic when I laugh. What did Pat say? What did Pat say? What did Sarah Jessica say? What happened? Pat found out about the mutiny. And I just don't, it just was so awful and.

unpleasant. Oh, no. And you were always having to watch your back. And they wanted, they wanted everyone gone. They wanted to take over. They were better than Pat. They were smarter than Pat. That's insane. It was really a crazy, I, I, wow. I mean, I've worked on things where assistants, one show in Atlanta where an assistant was determined to get rid of me and take my job and she did and people like that can make things miserable because they ingratiate themselves to the actors and the producers and spin this image of themselves as I'm the only person who knows sneakers or I'm the I am the sneakerhead or I am the queen of all couture and you can do without them and it is so unpleasant. It's awful. It's awful. It's awful. It's awful.

So season three was rocky. Wow. I didn't even really know this. Yeah, we were just blowing up. Yeah. And then so obviously. They're not like that now, these folks. But they're still working.

Oh, yeah. Ooh. Let me ask you this. But they matured. Thank God. Pat didn't ruin them. Pat didn't bury them. Pat was a confident person who was like, live and let live.

Wow. Pretty much Pat was always like that in her store. Anybody like did something heinous, Pat would forgive and give them a chance, you know. Wow. But this was next level. But clearly these people who went to Sir Jessica didn't really understand. Sir Jessica would never like. The dynamics.

They thought they were really worth a lot. They thought they could overthrow. That's some serious ego. because Sir Jessica was solidly pat like oh my gosh so loyal so loyal so loyal and yeah it was I was so miserable season three so when you sent me all these pictures of clothes I'm like look at what we accomplished while we were getting our knives in our backs I had no idea that it was this bad I really didn't yeah I'm investigative journalist Melissa Jeltson.

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First of all, when I look back and one of my absolute favorite outfits I don't think is in our pile, which is when she's wearing the green shorts and she loses the dog and she runs through the village. Yeah. I love that outfit so much. And I see that outfit online still like, like they're like, Zoe Kravitz is wearing, you know, a carry-esque outfit. Like it really lives on, you know. But to me, first of all, season three to me is when as a show, as, as, as, as. the writing and the directing and the acting, everything gels very, very powerfully.

And the costumes bump everything up, like, just in a beautiful, out of the normal way. Like, just from left field, like, everything is so great. And I remember at the time, you know, when she wears that green skirt that you found at Century 21 with a little ruffle in the back, I think it's Westwood, right? I was like, that's weird. Like, you know, me, my Southern conservative self, I'm like, that's too much. I'm so stupid, right? I'm really stupid, but I would never say that out loud, right?

Because obviously I was like, you guys are the masters. I don't know nothing, you know? Yeah, and when I look back on it, it's like so creative and amazing. So perfect to get scared by a rat in. Yes, so perfect to get scared by a rat in. Oh, wait. Dior newspaper. How did this happen?

You know, Pat was in really thick with that lovely, lovely Asian girl that ran the Dior show. showroom who also is the type of person who there are no rules. What do you want? Take it until you finish shooting it. Wow. You don't need to bring it back until you've gotten it on the show. Nice. A free for all. And John Galliano loved this girl. Nice. So anytime she would ring Paris and say, send me more rings and send me more bags and they were on it. Amazing. Because she had such good people connections there. And that is where that came from. I love it so much.

Yes. I love it so much. I know. It's on sale on first dibs, I believe, for $250,000. Insane. Is this since Jenna Ortega wore it? Yeah. I think so, yeah.

Part of me, like with Jenna Ortega, I felt like, okay, that's homage. Like, she's absolutely paying homage to Carrie. That's how I felt when I saw it. Did you not? For me, it takes away from the importance of it when you wear it for two seconds on a carpet, and then that's how you, like, I don't, I find that to be so throw away. Got it. That's just how I look at it.

I know. I mean, I will say I do think that the red carpet situation has accelerated in kind of a lunatic way. beyond and it is just a moment right but now if you look at even just like press tours like these you know gimmicky press tours are all the rage right with like oh right we're going to wear tennis stuff but challengers and blah yeah and dune we're going to wear it yeah right like it's it's it's quite something but to me i think that somewhat and tell me what you think remember when we went back to work after covid and all of the the houses were suffering suffering, you know, suffering to the point where they only had one set of samples.

Remember, you try to find something, and they'd say, like, oh, we can't afford to make more than one set of samples. It's in China. Exactly. Exactly. Or it was in Palm Beach trying to be sold or whatever the heck, right? Yeah. And it was kind of scary. Like, I really felt like, well, that whole beautiful part of the industry is at risk, right? So I feel like they had to try to find a way.

And the way was, well, who can we get on the carpet wearing, you know, the, latest thing or, you know, whatever. And then I feel like really creative stylists like law, you know, have gone to the vintage, which, you know, we know has always been a Trevor trove of beauty and genius. Right. And they're really harvesting the vintage, which is also kind of concerning in a way. But what also is happening, Kristen, is when I, let's say I want to borrow the Valentino red gown while I'm doing a speaking engagement that Nicole Ari Parker wore Cross Park Avenue. A lot of houses are saying, no, we're not loaning anything that hasn't been done by the current designer. Oh yeah, because they've all changed designers. It's just gotten

very, very narrow as to, they don't promote, they don't want to promote like the image of the house, it's all about the current creative director. Well, then that's why. It is interesting. And that's why I think vintage is actually important because that's a way for you to say, well, you know, we, we like to honor this person or you know what I'm trying to say like, you know, because you can't all have it be. There's not enough to go around of last, the last show, you know. In no way. And to remain nameless, but a very, very huge, popular fashion show happened just a little bit ago.

And I was told, make sure you text me backstage as the piece is walking. Wow. Because when that shows over, this stuff is spoken for. Good Lord. That's crazy. And did you get what you wanted for what you needed? No, ma'am. No, ma'am.

No, it was like, no, no, that's going to Ken. Wow. You know. No, it's very intense. It's very intense. Yeah. That's why I don't even go on. I don't even want to go to events.

Oh, let's talk about Richard Tyler for a second because I don't think that people know who Richard Tyler is. No. It's, isn't that something. Like, I don't know how successful he ever got, but he was a big name in L.A. And he was a big name for us because Carrie wore him. and then I ended up wearing him to our very first Golden Globes because I didn't have a stylist

and he's here in L.A. and he had a shop on Melrose and I went in and tried on things that were like in the store. You know what I mean? So I go to the Golden Globes and there's another woman at the Golden Globes wearing my same dress

because it was from the store and she just bought it. Like no offense to her, obviously. You know what I mean? And I think we just kind of waved at each other like sheepishly, you know what I'm saying? We didn't take a picture. like how you would do now, right? But we were kind of like, hi. But he was the nicest, nicest man

and such a brilliant tailor, like such a brilliant tailor. And I remember Sarah Jessica wore him to an awards thing. Yeah, like when she won, maybe the Golden Globes the next year. And I also wore him, but I can't remember which one it was. Maybe it was this red dress. Maybe it was the first golden globes. And I remember going to return my dress. And I remember going to return my dress. And she had been so nervous. You know, she loves her perfume, obviously. She'd sprayed her whole dress with perfume because that's what she does when she's nervous. When I walked in the store, the whole store smelled like Sarah Jessica.

In a good way. Yeah, yeah. And that is always a good way. Yeah. She's really good with her sense, you guys. Yeah. But this dress, isn't it true that you only had one and they fall in the pond? No, you had more.

No, I think there were three. Oh, three. Actually. Beautiful. And, you know, you never have to, you know, you never have to, you. never ever have to use it because you know what stops them from resetting the hair and makeup are going to say it's going to take us two hours and so they're like no we're getting it in one because they would never wait that long on they would never but also they were

fucking brilliant in that one take they didn't need to be doing anything yeah no no that was so great i mean that's the truth i remember that day like yesterday too this three is really coming up. It's a lot. I know. Season three is a lot. And what do you remember about it? I remember the fear of her getting cut in the water and then pouring hydrogen peroxide. Yeah. I remember them giving them ear plugs so they didn't get any bacteria coming through their orifices. Wow. That's funny. I love it. I love it. I love it. I'm investigative journalist Melissa Jeltson. My new podcast, What Happened in Nashville, tells the story of an IVF clinic's catastrophic collapse

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deep into the incredible power of secrets, the ones that shape our identities, test our relationships, and ultimately reveal who we truly are. Listen to Family Secrets on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. this reminds me of a different really great product sorry not product Charlotte dress that I remember complaining about what were you complaining about this I was complaining because I love it on me I know it's fantastic I should have kept my little mouth shut pets got a big long ponytail I think this is also when she was lobbying for those short bangs, right? Which, of course, I said no, too. But the thing that I think of when I look at

this outfit, this is in the gallery, and it's one of those ones where all of us are together and Willie's there. And it's a great lineup of outfits. I'm going to find the picture in a second. But the thing that I think about this one, first of all, it's a great shape. I love the whole thing now when I look at it. I think I felt insecure. And I'm wearing hoop earrings, which you know Pat made me do because I don't ever wear hoop earrings like this. No. But I love it. I love it. And she made me wear this whole long fake ponytail. And I remember saying like, Charlotte wouldn't do this.

No, no, no, no. But it looks fantastic. I was so silly. It does. I love, love, love this dress on you. Me too. What a galerina. I know.

It's so good. It's so good. I don't know where the group photo is. But do you remember the group photo? It's one they use a lot. You know, like in retrospect. I remember it. Yeah, I don't know where it went.

I remember it. It's good. It's also. like an iconic lineup of you guys. It is. Everybody's in their style lane. Everyone's in their style lane and it's beautifully are directed in terms of how we all go together by you guys, you know, which, you know, I don't think people realize how hard

that is and how much added, added work that is in a way that I think people are just watching the show and just thinking that it just happens or whatever. Right, right. Yeah. It's tough. You got to like, I remember you guys, you know, we would have like three or four fittings or whatever, just because, you know, we had to fine tune or we might have to change something based on what someone else is wearing or, you know.

I can't believe you guys gave us that much time. Oh, we did. I do remember. It's incredible. It is incredible. And one time I did get in some serious trouble because we were at Silver Cup and it was one of those times when I was supposed to go to a fitting after work. But I got done with work at 2 in the morning.

and I assumed I was going to go home. And they were like, oh, no, no, you have to go to costume now. And I was like, it's 2 in the morning. We were there waiting for you. You were there waiting for me. And I was like, you guys. And I was like, you guys, it's like so late. Do I have to go?

And then word got around to certain people that I had complained. And I was in the dog house. I was seriously in the dog house for like a week. Yikes. I know. I know. But I was like, we didn't want you when you were exhausted. We didn't want you to come in and not be able to pull stuff over your, you know, that was bad for everybody.

It was, but we didn't really have a chance. We didn't have a chance. We didn't have options, you know? If you were working every day in that episode, no. No. Oh, oh, you were coming it too. I want to ask you about this outfit. I love this outfit.

There's a lot of season three. What I was going to say about season three that I remember, I did not know about how much drama you guys were going through. I remember that it was like so much storyline for me, right? Like Charlotte had never had this big of a storyline, like the whole tray thing. And it was also like just such a glorious, intense summer. I barely remember what was going on in the bigger picture. I just remember being just so excited about my own stuff and just trying to get through it or do it well. You don't know what I'm saying?

Like I kind of tuned out a lot. Yeah, it was very focused. But it was really, I had to. For sure. And it was, they were asking more of me. So I was, you know, trying to make sure I gave it well. But when I did rewatch, it was fun because I didn't remember a lot of other people's storylines. Like, I didn't remember, like, when Carrie and Aden start dating me, he won't have sex with her. She wears this. And it's like cut on the sides. Oh, it's incredible. And it's embroidered, like, hand embroidered. I don't know who made this thing, but it is so good. it is so good i i looked at that when you sent that picture and i was like micro micro minnie on carry big time it's because she's trying to get him to have sex with her and he won't have sex with her that crazy man and they make out in the doorway and it's very hot wow and then he leaves and it gets her she's so confused like what am i doing wrong what is going on and he says he's they got this crazy speech he gives her like you know carry i just want to you know i've done it

I've done sex quickly and, you know, how he talks, like, kind of slow back then. Yeah. I just want to make sure, you know, that I, you know, feel something for you and I feel like you're someone I could care about, he says. And she's like, okay, like, it's pretty, pretty odd. Wow. I know. I don't remember that part.

Oh, do you remember the opera? I do, actually. Gorgeous. I killed myself to get you gal's opera glasses. I remember that. and they were good because that was part of the plot. She had to see Big and Natasha through the opera glasses and they were beautiful

vintage like Mother of Pearl. Do you remember what you were wearing? Yeah. So classic Charlotte. I'm wearing a Chanel like short kind of corset chiffon thing that I still own that I love very much. And I do think that you actually got me in an actual fur. I'm very sorry everyone who loves animals.

I do believe I'm wearing an actual fur. It was very hard to say no again to Pat, but it does look beautiful. That looks vintage. It does look vintage. It's very, very old fashion. And then this, I think, is Dolce. Sarah's beautiful dress. It's so her.

I remember that, I could be wrong. Somebody can tell us, but I remember we went through an Anna Molinari phase with Carrie. Yes, because she wore Adam Molinari to the Emmys, that yellow dress. Do you remember the yellow beaded, like bugle beads? No. Yes, the first time we go to the Emmys, Sarah is wearing Animal and Erie, and everybody was like, who? But that actually looks like it does have a Dolce bra, doesn't it?

It does. I feel like it's Dolce, but I really could be wrong. I really could be wrong. No, it looks like it. I love animal. I just love that I pulled that name up. You did. You did really well.

Now, my producers love this picture of Miranda, which I think is so hysterical because she has a scarf tied around her neck. And what does that make you think of, Molly? Well, between the scarf around her neck and that hairdo. Who is she? I mean, I don't know. She could have played Charlotte and then just like that. Because remember my scarf storylines that we got rid of.

A stewardess. She's a stewardess. Oh, this is the pretend stewardess. You're absolutely right. Is it? Yes. She wears this scarf and then she still has it on when They have sex when she's pretending to be the stournest, and she's got some crazy hair. This is what it is.

You're so smart that you pulled that out. Oh, my gosh. This is a good shot of the bulgarie necklace. I remember the bulgary. Weren't there relatives of this necklace? Yeah, I believe so. Like, she had a bunch, and they were like very, we were very excited that we got a hold of them. It's like finding jewelry for four distinct characters was always such pain.

Yeah, I know. But then think about, like, when we didn't, just like that. Oh, my gosh, the embarrassment of riches. I mean. Oh, my God. There was just a plethora. It was incredible. The jewelry game is like the beauty game now.

Oh. A whole different story. It is a totally different story and a good one. Wait, this is my all-time favorite outfit. I so forgot about this. You're kidding. I love. This is diabolical.

How is this? Happen. I love the hair. I love all of it. How did the tights happen with the jeans skirt? I'm sure that looks like a Rebecca move. Wow. Yeah, that looks like something Rebecca would be into. Oh my gosh. Yeah, let's do it. You did a belt around your, you did a belt around your waist walking down the street. Let's do this. That's what people do with their panty hose. I don't remember this at all at the time. I think it's really funny. She has an open-toed shoe on with stockings. This is like whatever rule there is, we're going to break it. Yes.

And I think that's what I like about it. This is diabolical. But she looks fantastic. So who cares? People dress up like this for Halloween. Oh, my God. A shiny bra like that? She wouldn't be caught.

I mean, I know. Can you imagine? It's like a Victoria's secret bra. Like, what on earth? Like, we lost our minds. little bit in this season, you know? Yeah, for sure. But in the best possible way. Look, here's the vulgarie necklace again with the DVF. We've got a lot of Sarah in DVF. Carrie carries in a lot of DVF this year. Also, yeah, that's, I mean, I can see how, I mean, that that holds up, doesn't it?

Oh, my God. It's so amazing. The wrap dress. And also, like, DVF for the show, so perfect in terms of who she is and who she designed for, right? Look at Miranda's work look This is a good Miranda's work look It is It's really, really good This is when I think she's talking about How Steve is a child

I could be wrong But Steve is around You know, looking adorable But also acting very, very childish Occasionally Which is also pretty funny, pretty funny Okay, wait Now I'm getting to episodes that I haven't rewatched yet

Okay, okay, where are you? What are you looking at? I'm, I've got this one picture of Carrie. I don't have any idea what the heck she's wearing here. That was some, maybe related to the Iranian. Oh, need of. Possibly. Incredible.

Look her G-string showing. Ooh, this is so 90s. The thing that I think of here when I look at Samantha, because she's in all one color, and then she's got like a, it looks like a, I don't I don't know what bag it is, maybe a vutan or whatever, but it's starting her, remember how eventually she would be wearing head-to-toe logos? Really? Oh, yeah.

Like, I feel like Celine maybe or something Gucci, maybe. I mean, at a certain point, man, and I wonder what people are going to say about that when we get back to it. It was a lot. Label on label crime. I know, label on label crime, but she could pull it off, you know, she could pull it off. And it kind of made sense. I'm investigative journalist Melissa Jeltson.

My new podcast, What Happened in Nashville, tells the story of an IVF clinic's catastrophic collapse and the patients who banded together in the chaos that followed. We have some breaking news to tell you about. Tennessee's Attorney General is suing a Nashville doctor. In April 2024, a fertility clinic in Nashville shut down overnight and trapped behind behind locked doors were more than a thousand frozen embryos. I was terrified. Out of all of our journey, that was the worst moment ever. At that point, it didn't occur to me what fight was going to come to follow.

But this story isn't just about a few families' futures. It's about whether the promise of modern fertility care can be trusted at all. It doesn't matter how much I fight. Doesn't matter how much I cry over all of this. It doesn't matter how much justice we get. None of it's going get me pregnant. Listen to what happened in Nashville on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Dad had the strong belief that the devil was attacking us. Two brothers, one devout household, two radically different paths. Gabe Ortiz became one of the highest ranking law enforcement officers in Texas. 32 years, total law enforcement experience. But his brother Larry, he stayed behind and built an entirely different legacy.

He was the head of this gang and nobody was going to tell him what to do. You're going to push that line for the calls. Took us under his wing and showed us the game, as they call it. When Larry is murdered, Gabe is forced to confront the past he tried to leave behind and uncover secrets he never saw coming. My dad had a whole other life that we never knew about. Like my mom started screaming my dad's name and I just heard one gunshot. The brothers Ortiz is a gripping true story about faith.

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Listen to Decoding Women's Health with Dr. Elizabeth Pointer on the IHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you're listening now. You know what I was thinking about, too? You know what I think that people, I don't know if people still know this or not about and just like that because I just saw, because I talk about this now and so my Instagram is all full of this, right? And I saw this really adorable kind of template of carry in and just like that. It was like four outfits and the hat is there, the Holly Hobby hat.

And they were, I don't know if they were all from the last season. They might have been all over the place. But I don't know if people realize what you guys were doing with her silhouette and her overall look in the final season. Right. I don't think that translated that she was writing that book. And it was influencing her silhouette, her choices, because it was kind of seeping into her. But it was fun.

Isn't that fun? But this is what I think about it. People might not realize it intellectually because I didn't even realize it intellectually until the cat dress that she wears to my birthday party at her house. Because it had that bustle. And I had seen it upstairs because you guys had to really remake that dress. Like you had to work for a while on that dress, right? Yes, we did.

Right. And I was like, what is going on here? And then I was like, oh, my God, it's because of the book. She's reliving. She's living in this old, you know, historical brownstone in Gramercy. She's writing a book about a woman going through the turn of the century and those different things. And her silhouette is changing as a result of this. And that is brilliant.

Right. That I want to tell you a little story about that dress really quickly. That fabric is beyond belief up close. It is metallic thread. It is stunning. and to even chop something on that dress to make it different in the front was wrecking my nerve. Then I didn't quite think we had nailed it. We sent SJ seven pictures of what the top could look like.

It could be roached here. It could go here. It could do that. Okay, she chose one. And so we did it. I would say two months ago, I ran into the girl that sold it to us. in London, and she said, oh, I noticed you

cut the cat's ears off on the sleeve. Oh, no. It had little tabs here on this eye. She goes, those were the cat ears. Oh. Who knew?

Oh, no. Well, listen, I think it turned out gorgeous. Yeah. That is sad about the cat ears. But yeah. To touch that. fabric was so frightening. But like how old was it? I have no idea anything about it. We were mesmerized by the fabric. Adrian didn't have enough fabric to do one of the alts on it. We sent a scrap of it. Someone

tried to recreate it and you can't tell it on the dress. There's a piece of fake cat fabric in there. Amazing. So you bought it in London at a vintage place, but we don't know the actual. fabulous. No, I don't know it's provenance, but I should find out because that was, it made us cat crazy, first of all. We were such, I don't know, that season three, we were crazy for cats. You know, we had them all on the pillows in her. We just went. I love it. Because she had a cat, chew, and or lotus in real life. I love it. I love all those details. And I mean, I think it's interesting because on the one hand, everything is nitpicked and, you know, analyzed, as we were saying, but then sometimes there's a bigger picture thing that isn't seen. Right. The story, which Michael Patrick always accuses me of not reading. No, you were always reading and doing your own version of it. And that's where Sir Jessica, you know, really, like, connects with you about the bigger picture,

you know, what's happening in the bigger picture underneath. what might be obvious, you know? It's just a lifetime thrill to shop for you, for you all. I mean, honestly, it really is the special moment and time. It is, isn't it? And you know what I really loved? And my publicist also really loves the little show that you guys made, you and Danny, where you go shopping around town.

I don't know if you guys watched it. It was called, what was it called Get the Look or something like this? I don't, yeah. something like that with Genesis the car yes and those are some nice cars and I remember we were like I don't know what's happening we're going to drive around you know right we were kind of having to simulate each episode shopping for it I didn't I don't know if we pulled it off or not but it totally did you know what you did because listen I know the truth is maybe not that more glamorous right like not possibly that glamorous but on the other hand people really don't

understand what you guys do, right? And you have to go to jewelry shops and you have to go out to Brooklyn to like, you know, find, like I remember one time before I'm looking for some gloves, I think, and you had to go like far, you know, like you're always on the search. So whether it was like completely 100% accurate or not, I think it was a really lovely kind of like bird's eye view of, oh, what do they do? What it takes. Yeah. The treasure hunt. And you know what else I wish we had footage of or more footage of? Because I'm sure there's some footage of. When, you would come in. So every day when we would have had our fittings, probably more than one, you know, sometimes you would have a fitting like, let's say it was my birthday dress, right? We knew

that was coming. We had our idea. Maybe that wasn't what Michael Patrick saw. We had a process, right? And we won, which was super exciting. I love that dress so much. It worked out. But, like, that will be over time that we'll be, each fitting will revisit that dress, right? And then we'll think about accessories, shoes, jewelry, hair, tiara, blah, blah, blah. So, So it's a process. And then on the day of, the first time you're putting on an outfit, they'll call Molly and Danny to come make sure everything's perfect. So maybe you might have jewelry choices that weren't totally decided on.

They're when you were, yeah. Right, or maybe they hadn't come yet, right? Like we might have gotten more jewelry, like Fred Layton sent something really special that you picked out in advance and we have to look at it. And so they'll come that morning. It's much more involved than I think. I think people think that when you have one fitting and everything gets said

and then they just hang it in your room. And it's not that, at least not with us, right? Until it goes to camera, we still have the opportunity to make it just one more fit better. I remember us waiting and waiting and waiting for the perfect pink shoe to land for that. I don't know that we were waiting and waiting. What else is going to come? It's true. That was a hard one.

That was one of those scenes, too, where you don't even, I don't think you ever see my shoes. No. That doesn't matter to you. Doesn't matter to you. I know I love it. It's living in my closet in that really lovely box. Yeah, of course. Okay, good.

Let's talk about Alanis, too. Do you remember anything about Alanis? No. This is when Carrie's wearing like gold boots and just to walk up this long stairwell to the like cool 20-something party, which is a very, the whole episode is so prescient and could literally air today. Totally. Boy girl, boy girl, it's called? Oh, yeah.

Now, that dress was pleather. It was highly, highly flammable. Ooh. It was purchased on probably 14th Street. Wow. It was scary, some kind of oleo margarine fabric, God only knows. And we stuck a flower on it. Amazing.

And I cannot imagine S.J. even, she must have been horrified to wear that thing. It was so short. She looks fantastic. She looks really like a round. Well, because she's dating that younger boy, you know, who looks like a little 18 year old. Which is another story point. You're wearing something, you know. Yep. And didn't she have like a little bomber jacket over it at one point in the stairwell, I think? Maybe. Yeah. It was pretty cute and very now, like very now. Like pleather from some rock, let's say trash in vaudeville or somewhere. Love that.

Something like that. Love it so, so much. Oh my God, that's a good one. There's so many good ones. You know, we should touch really quick if you don't mind. Her crazy outfit on the roof. Remember she's got like flesh colored. Fishnets.

Yeah, which I remember we were very obsessed with at the time. Yeah, Pat was, you guys were. And I'll never forget the shoe. was a kind of a Wizard of Oz Dorothy. You looked like you could do a tap dance in them, and they were Sonia Rikiel, and they were bizarre with that Louis Vuitton. They were nuts.

I don't remember that Sonia Rikail made shoes. You know, Sarah and I both have those bags, and that's just me fully copying Sonia Rekiel or copying Sir Jessica that she has it, because I didn't know who that was. That's such a great bag. I love that bag so much. It will live forever.

I keep it in a special place. I love it all. And then Kim is wearing her Marianne outfit, and she looks fantastic. I'm wearing my Cavali. Look at Kim's hairstyle. I know. It's hysterical, but it looks great. I love it so much.

It's two little ponytails on Samantha. I know. I don't care. I think it's great. And it's almost like Carrie might have an orchid on. And you know she's anti-orchid, which is kind of funny. But it's not her normal flower. Yeah, yeah, okay.

And then Miranda's got like a like a, a picnic table looking. That looks so vintage, doesn't it? Yeah. What have you got on? I've got on the Cavali tiny top that I have here and some no name like the gap, the gap skirt or whatever that's too short. So I literally, I'm literally in the scene pulling my skirt down like the one time that I'm

on the chair by myself. And you can just tell I'm just dying, just dying that Pat's trying to show my legs. Wiggling and going crazy. Exactly. And just try not to have to move. What a hot, hot day that was. It was a hot, hot day. And I don't know how I walked around that day.

I don't know what I did with myself. I might have covered myself up or something. I don't know. I don't know. I love every outfit. Thank you, Patricia. Thank you, Patricia. Thank you, Patty.

That's right. That's right, Patty Poo. I might put that old picture of you two up, too, on the Instagram. I love that picture that you sent me. Remember that one when I said, look for your old pictures? Oh, it's really cute. It's so cute. It's really good.

There's not many of us. No, I know. It's hard because you guys were always working. You know, you were never holding still to get a photo. What a fun time. I'm so glad we got to talk about it. I know, me too. Bye, have fun.

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