Are You A Charlotte? - A Revelation about that Infamous Burger Post It Note!

Episode Date: June 5, 2026

Michael Patrick King shares a Sex and the City secret that is in almost every episode! The heartbreaking decisions they had to make after 9/11. And, why it was important that Miranda was the first of the women to have children.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hi, everyone. Today is part three with the wonderful, brilliant. And Michael Patrick King. Thanks for joining us. A little segue, I want to talk about the comeback for a second. Because I love it so much. Thank you. Of course, whenever I watch anything else that you do,

depending on the thing, obviously, right, but the comeback is always, like, so close to home in so many ways, right? Because she's an actress and she's our age, basically. And, you know, the first episode, the first season was right after the end of our show. And I've told you many times, I was just laying on the couch crying. So it wasn't a great time for me to be watching to come back. Though I really wanted to watch it, but I was just so sad, you know. And I was 40 or 41 or whatever it was, right?

So like, we didn't know what was happening. We didn't know if we were going to get our film made or what the hell was going to happen. Right? Over. Yeah. So it was just painful, you know, because Valerie is always down and trying everything in her beautiful, sweet way to get things going and trying to make the best the situation that she's put in.

It's just heartbreaking, right? And I love this current one. And I laugh out loud so many times, but also like, why did you name her show that? How's that? Uh-huh. Her name is, her show is named How's That? Because Lisa and I, after we did season two,

there was never like a mandate to come back. We were just kind of like, everybody thought we did a good job, and that was that. And HBO was kind of happy with it. But every now and then over the last 11 years, 10 years, Lisa and I would have lunch and we were, what was Valerie doing? Maybe there's something to come back for. We never really came up with an idea that was a big enough machine to come back.

We had funny things like Chicago, which we put in the first episode, Valerie stars in Chicago, like, because all the real house was. So fucking funny. Oh, my God. Yeah, I know. But it was like, we knew it was like, boom. Right. But it wasn't, you can't build.

No, it's not a whole show, but it's super satisfying. It was a great thing. And we had that like five years ago. We kept thinking, well, it's not enough. So then one day we were talking and Lisa said, it's too bad Valerie wasn't around during the SAG writer's strike. Yeah. Because she would have been hilarious.

Yes. And then all of a sudden a door opened in my mind and I said, why can't we go back for a minute? Yeah. Why can't we start then? Because if it's so funny, why don't we start then? And the thing about the SAG writer's strike was when it ended, the thing, the sentence that stuck in my mind was we're going to have to renegotiate in three years because of AI. And as soon as that's what everybody was saying at the end. Like it's a happy ending, but we're still going to negotiate in three years because of AI.

And the minute that popped into my mind, I said, and then three years later, we're at AI. And Valerie's cast in the first multi-cam written about AI. And Lisa went, click. And then we started talking about it. It would be a bed and breakfast, like a typical sitcom. But we thought it was going to be all about like she's a Luddite and she doesn't understand technology. And Lisa within two minutes did a little. monologue as the proprietress.

And she went, I don't know what I'm doing everything I can. I don't know. I can't do anything about it than that. How's that? And it just came right out of her mouth. And I said, how's that? That's the sentence. That's the phrase.

That's the name of the catchphrase. That's also the sitcom. So it just presented itself. It didn't remind you at all of and just like that. How's that and just like that? Uh-huh. Uh-huh. No.

Because it's not because it has the word that. They're just, they're just interestingly similar kind of like dot, dot, dot, dot, question. You know what I'm saying? They're phrases. Well, and just like that is a dot, dot, dot, dot to infinity. Right. And this is a question mark in an exclamation.

Right. I'm sorry, I said that to a writer, you guys, I'm in trouble now. I'm just letting you know that, and just like that alludes to something happen. Yes. This is just like, it's a comedy. It's a sitcom. Got it, got it. Got it.

So I don't connect them, except the word AJ, AJLT. Yeah. And H.T. when I would see it, I go, oh, that. I guess I like the word that. Yeah, I think you do. Because every time I say, I'm like, wait, is he talking about us? I mean, there's so many times.

I'm like, wait, wait, wait. Because obviously you have so many situations in there. Like you have Benito on, Benny. Well, Benito is. Oh, my God. A dream, right? But that whole scene, I'm dying. Yeah.

That whole scene. Yeah. Right? Like I'm having similar situations in my current life, you know? I think it's interesting because Valerie's world is usually about people diminishing her. And she's got to fight for her thing. Our world and just like that and sex in the city never felt like there was any mandate to diminish any of you. So the costume or clearly to me would never happen.

on one of our shows. No, no, no. What happened on every other show. Oh, definitely. Yeah, no, I mean, I'm having Kristen life. Oh, yeah. Yeah, because that is our world. You are diminished and told things by young people that are wrong.

I mean, you realize that in season one when she was 40, they made her an aunt in a funny, awful track suit. Yes. You're done. Now, that part is a similar in the brands. Yes. Women saying, stop seeing us like we're done. Right.

And that's the connection between and just like that. Totally. Totally. Totally. It's like the thing that I love the most about what we did with that show was saying, stop seeing us the way you think we should be. And start seeing the way we are and can be. And that not only goes from the way the characters evolved, specifically from Miranda to Miranda, but also the way that you were allowed to look and dress. And I guess you're not allowed to be 58, 59,

and go to a bodega in a tool skirt without meaning the end of the world. And it's all really about how both the shows are about how women are fighting the way they are, being told be or seen. Yes. Or not seen. You know, fighting to exist. Or don't see. Right.

I mean, the great shocker. Mm-hmm. Of it and just like that to me was how there seemed to be, you go away. I know. Like, we don't need to see you now. I know. And that happened on the second movie. Right before the second movie, there was.

an article in New York Magazine where there were the four of you from Sex and the City, a promo from back in the day, and they had masking tape over all four in your mouths. Oh, I remember. That was horrible. It's like, what are you talking about? You haven't seen them. That was actually the first movie. You haven't seen them in four years and they can't speak. Why? Right. And it happened so much that I put it in the second movie when Carrie has tape over him out in the review of her book. Right. But like, Like, why are they told to go away? Right.

Why are they told to not speak? It's like in mainstream media told without apology to go away. That's the part that bugs me. Like, you should be embarrassed to say that. You know what I'm saying? Like, how dare you tell a whole demographic of people to go away and not speak? What is that? We know what it is.

It's audacious. It's misogyny on their part. It's society still. Right. It's society still. It's true. This is why I'm not worked out about and just like that, just so you know. Because you're like, when we began, you were telling you.

You were telling me, yeah. I'm not worked out about it. No, there's a lot of things to have an unrest about. Yes. And when I was doing press for the comeback in Europe, somebody said to me, oh, I think it was a British. I'm sure you're hoping that this goes better than your last attempt to coming back. And I said, what are you talking about?

They said the reaction to him just like that. And you know what I said? Call me in four years. It is going to it. I saw that quote. pulled out. And I actually just recently heard something Lena Dunham said in her press tour about significant shows are never about when they're launched.

They're about where they are in 10 years. Interesting. I like that. Do they stay in the consciousness? And I feel that and just like that was incredibly well made. and energy again, which is what I'm so happy about. Right. Because when we started sex in the city, it was your 34.

Right. You should have a husband. Right. Was that simple. Yes. And if you don't, there's something wrong with you. Right. And then just like that was, you're 50-something.

You should have this figured out by now. Right. And if you don't, there's something wrong with it. Right. And also, you should just be quiet. Just be quiet. Mind your own business over there. in the corner or whatever.

Just quietly go into the background. Right. Don't be old and bright. Right. And confused. Right. And alive. All the things.

Don't be people we've never seen before. Right. That really upset them. Room McClanahan on the Golden Girls was, I think, 50. And they had already retired and were in Florida. Right. With nothing. Right.

No future. I mean, and then there are all. are all those women on and just like that, violently fighting to be themselves still. And it was quite a expression. And I think people like their stories left alone. Right. It's the only thing I'm interested in.

I agree. It's never entered my mind that they would want their stories left alone. It's the same thing that made sex in the city work is the evolution of the character. Right. And I'm really interested in the evolution of characters. And it was a bold move to come back again with Valerie Cherish 11 years later. Yes. But I'm only interested in how people are growing or changing or not growing or not changing.

Right. What the stories around that are. Right. And with you three, so beloved, I thought that'll be interesting. And then they were like, oh, okay. But maybe we didn't want them to change that. Right. which I think too

And I mean I don't really know Because as you know I'm still processing But I also think that some of it has to do With our bigger cultural moment of upheaval You know Like maybe if we weren't in a total cultural chaos They would have had more room for us to grow and change You mean if the world was calmer

The characters could have had chaos Maybe But chaos on chaos Yeah Was a little We want ice cream we don't want A syllabus. Right.

Like, or I don't know, a syllabus, maybe I wouldn't, you know, but yes, it was a lot for them to try to take it on. I just saw something the other day that seemed really smart that was about how, you know, the success of the pit. And the pit, the characters are obviously, you know, beautifully written and deep and, you know, whatnot. But they also are very good at their jobs and they care about the right things. So you're seeing the thing that we're not seeing in the world on your screen. because when I first watched the pit, I couldn't go to sleep, of course, because I have like medical anxiety, right? So I was like, oh, my God, the anxiety.

But then I did want to watch it. I did find myself drawn to watch it and try to get to sleep. I try to watch something lighter after and then go to sleep. But, you know, that people want to see competence and solidness. They're not being super eloquent right now in what they're seeing because the world is not that, right? But we are challenging. Our brand is challenging.

I will say that everything on the pit, which I find so interesting, is the new people. I think Noah's amazing. Yes. And the more people you haven't seen before. Yeah. But all those characters that are making mistakes and putting in the wrong catheter, catheter. Right.

Right. That's a good point. Right. Right. Right. Right. That's a good point. That's a really good point, too. That's a really good point. I think all that stuff is super interesting to think about.

Yeah, I love all the humanity in the pit. I think it's really interesting how flawed the character, especially Noah's character is and all the new faces. That's what TV used to be. Yeah, I agree. It's beautiful. It's beautiful to watch. I agree. And I feel like we did that too, you know, in the first show and the second show. You know what I mean? But I think my other reason that I'm still, you know, first of all, as I've said many times and I'll say forever, you know, I still just want to work together forever. Yeah. Because everything else is like less. Here's the thing. Yes. I got to a point on Sex and the City where my story person that lives inside my head said, we're done for now.

Right. You told me this. And it happened. Right. And this felt like that. And I didn't, I respect everybody so much. much that I thought we're done for now. And I respect that.

I just didn't necessarily expect it in that second that had happened or that moment. I mean, I wasn't shocked. Remember when you called me? I was like, no, I felt the vibes. Yeah. But I didn't feel the vibes from you. I felt the vibes from the world. And I don't mean the criticism.

I just mean the strangeness. I don't know how to put it, right? But like we really just take you for granted that you are like plugged into this, you know, vision board of the ethers or whatever it is because you always really are, which reminds me I need to ask you something from this season specifically. But like, I fully respect that you are the font, right? You are the... Oh, look.

I mean, that's a very grand statement to say... It's true. I'm happily, every now and then visited by an idea that I... This is very clear. Yeah, yeah. And when we were doing the end of season, one of it just like that, we were standing, we were doing the blocking of... Carrie moving into that house and I knew exactly what season. Yeah. Yeah. And I saw the lights in your eyes.

I saw a boom. I was like I know what season three is. And I waited. Right. It didn't come. Right. And it's not I'm not the vision board. I am the executor of a vision. But the reality is. I mean, you're the receiver of the vision. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Or else I have my sense of story taste. Right. And I could work for you with you forever. Me too. Yes. Me too. And that's why. And well. And good. Good. Good. That's what I. I want you to say. Pride is like love. You feel it in your heart.

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Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. So big question, big question with some debate. Remember, I love New York? Yes. How, wait, I heart New York. I heart New York. How, okay, so there's this a picture of Willie and Sir Jessica on the streets of New York wearing an outfit

that is not ever in the show. And Sir Jessica told us it was a scene that was an I heart New York but got cut, but that they had filmed it. but we filmed and wrapped before 9-11. Because I remember we, I wrapped on like the ninth or something like this. Did a photo shoot on the 10th? It was flying on the 11th. Sarah was starting rehearsal on the 11th.

Like we had just wrapped, right? But then for some reason, bless you, for some reason, they held episodes. They cut our season into two that year. Do you remember this? The season was cut into six and then the rest. Okay. So what we do know for sure is that we had filmed, You had written and we had filmed I Heart New York before 9-11.

Correct. Correct. Got it. So anyone who thinks out there that we were somehow responding and had gone back to film, no. You had some kind of prescient. Unless the I Heart New York is the one where the autumn leaf falls. Yes.

And Miranda's water breaks. Yes. And she talks about things change. It was a voiceover. Now, I could have changed the voiceover. I could have said seasons change as cities. I remember that. Got it. Got it, got it.

So I could have addressed it there. Got it, got it, got it. Because really where we addressed it was anchors away, the beginning of the next season, which was late week. Right, that's the pregnancy season. And that was we got to go down town and spend some well-earned money because of how bad downtown was. Yes. But seasons change as do cities. I think I probably did redo a voiceover.

to incorporate something. And we did take the World Trade Towers out of the opening credits. Right, which I thought was the right thing. And a couple of scenes, actually. When Samantha and Richard are on the roof of his apartment, the whole background was the World Trade Towers.

And we had quite a debate about, should we take them out or leave them in? But it was after they had gone. So it made the show invalid. I agree. and stressful. Right, very stressful. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's still very stressful when you see them in things. You go, oh, my God. Yes, I agree. Totally. Totally. Okay, that was super helpful because I had also had some weird idea, but I think it was that when we did go back to work, they said, well, you guys go downtown, right?

To, like, be on the streets and, you know, show that we're functioning. I couldn't remember when that was. And because there was this picture of Willie and Sarah in a scene that I don't remember, And Sarah said, oh, yeah, we filmed a scene that just didn't make it in that episode. Because obviously, we had to cut things, like, not based on anything important, just time. Yeah, the only scene that I ever remember seeing pictures of that was not in anything was there was a Willie. There was a Stanford Carey scene in the first movie where she's in a very, very, very pretty pink dress. I think this is it.

And he's in a bright suit, a summer suit. What was the scene? I think it was a scene right around talking about. about Bitsy or something. I don't remember. Got it. Got it. So it was just cut just for time.

Not, not, not, maybe that's what it is. Yeah. This is the, is she in a beautiful pink dress. Yes,

it's what I think. That's from the movie. Got it. Okay. That's from the movie. This picture is what has been irking me like I can't place it. Yeah. Okay.

Got it. Got it. It's a summer scene. He's in a gray suit. She's in a pink dress with like a little eyelet lace. I think so. Ocier top. It's a gorgeous thing.

Yeah. Can you pull the picture up here? It's from the movie. Got it. Because that's been the thing that's been just like, what was that? What was that? Yeah. Or either one of you.

Thank you so much. That was, because when we talked to Sarah, she said, oh, I do think there was a scene cut, but maybe she's remembering also the movie, you know? Yeah. I mean, I don't remember ever putting a Stanford scene on the ground except for the movie. It's funny. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was always so much fun. Fun. Funny and fun. and very, those were like targeted. Like you really wrote those with such intention. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Did you see this sale on Julian's? I did not. Oh, my God. It is so trippy and bizarre. So you can get like, like, all of our props and stuff from and just like that. You can go and buy them at this auction called Julian's. And there's like all the letters that Stanford wrote Carrie are there. Oh, that's my handwriting.

I know. Is your handwriting? Every handwriting on the show is my. Everyone? The Burger Post it is mine. The Miranda list of pros and cons for Steve is my handwriting. Oh my God. Carrie, some of Carrie.

And every now and then I would say to Sarah Jessica, write this. Right. Because she's left-handed and has a weird signature. Right. But yeah, that is definitely my handwriting at Stanford. Carrie's chapters of her book are there? Oh, yeah. Yeah.

I mean. Oh, all that. That's good shit. Yes. That is good shit. I remember writing that and going like, this will be fun to write. And then now it's available. Yeah.

Well, it's available if you go on there and bid. Well, I wanted if it was seen by Sarah Jessica that she didn't feel like she was a bad writer. Oh, that's nice. You know, so at least the first three pages, which you would flip there would be a minute. Right. There's a big thick look. Oh, they just duplicated. Oh, okay.

I don't think anyone, I don't think this sale is closed or whatever. So I'm sure we'll be hearing more. Got it. The first two pages or three pages is prose, and the rest is just, all work in no playbakes jacket, you know, from The Shining. It's just repeated, repeated, repeated, repeated prop. Wow, that's super funny. Okay, good.

There is some legitimate writing by me. Wow. Wow. Me as Carrie writing a book. Maybe Craig should go on Julian's and bid. Craig actually said to me a couple of times, Paige, what about this auction? Yeah.

I always feel like, um, I don't know. I feel the same way. Like, I don't know if I want to see any of our magic. I know, right? Down to a table. I know. I mean, they have Myrtle's dog bed, Richard Burntz's dog bed and the little taco dog toy.

I kind of want that. You know what I have? In my office, I have Charlotte's white opaque drinking glasses. From the bedside or from the kitchen? No, from Sex and the City. Oh, from Sex and the City. kitchen and every time I get a drink of water, I have that white, opaque. That's beautiful.

Yeah. I have like six of them. That was a good one. Good call. Good call. I have Charlotte's pink lamp. Huh? I have Charlotte's pink lamp from the very, very beginning.

Fantastic. And in and coulda what it shoulda, at one point, Carrie has a very tiny silver shamrock necklace on. Yes. With a little diamond chip in it. Oh. And Pat Field and Sarah Jessica gave me a duplicate of that. It's such a delicate that I wore it, baby chain.

I wore it from the minute they gave it to me, season four, all the way through and up till the movies. And I actually took it off when the first movie, it wasn't going to go. Oh, because we thought it was going to go, and then it wasn't going to go. Couldn't make the deal, couldn't make the deal. And that night, it was three, the script was ridiculously long.

It was 300 pages. I had a big fireplace in LA. place in LA outside. I remember where we did the ceremony on New Year's Eve. And I said, all right, I have to let this go. And I took the 300-page script and I sat in front of the fire and I started throwing pages in like I was in an Ibsen play. And then it was so hot.

I was like, I started throwing in 30 at a time and I was still there. My knees were, and I went upstairs. And I took off the chain ceremonially and I put it away never to be thought of again. And the next day they called and said they made the deal. We're doing the movie. away. After I had let go. You made it happen. I let go of it. Yes, that's how you made it happen. Got it. This is fascinating. All those years. Wow. Wow. And I called that baby chain because it was so delicate. Yeah. Where's the necklace? Huh? Where's the necklace? Oh, good. It's saved. Good, good, good.

But I saw it on and Carrie, I was like, oh, there it is. Oh, look, there's the picture. There's the picture. That's it. Can you see it? Yeah. Thank you so much for answering that question. We have ask that question. That is definitely not in IHart New York because that was that that was fall. Right. That's pink. That's the movie. Got it.

Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. That makes so much sense. Pride is like love.

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Take pride with you anytime, anywhere. Just ask your smart speaker to play IHeart Pride Canada. Stream us on your phone or listen now at iHeartRadio.ca. Number one hits, millions of records sold, awards, sold out tours. You think that Jonas Brothers are satisfied? Nope, it's podcast time. We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions. Hey, Jonas is available now, and their first guest is a big one.

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Listen to Hey Jonas on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Here's something that should not be as complicated as it is. Getting a racist statue removed. And here's something that should be a whole lot easier than it is. Getting a new one put up in its place. As long as there's a politics of race in America, there's going to be a politics of remembering the Civil War. To get to school, I had to go down Robert Lee Boulevard. Get to the grocery store. I had to go down Jefferson Davis Parkway. If you're an historian and you leave out half of what the

history is, you're not doing your job. I'm Akila Hughes. In Rebel Spirit, season two, goes deep on both of those things. The fights, the politics, the people who won, and my personal campaign to add something to the Kentucky State House that's actually worth the wall space. We are more than our bodies. We contain essence. We contain spirit. How do you write? represent that. They are just fueling a fire that is really catching. You'll see what I mean. Listen to Rebel Spirit Season 2 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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I'm like, yeah, this is crazy that this, you know, she's so like. Hard ball. Hard ball. Racquet ball. All the. Yes. Yes. Everything she says about being a mother.

She says, okay, kids, let's forget my life. I mean, literally everything she says about love. Yeah. Do I mean like? Well, she says to Carrie at one point. Okay. And you know what else is interesting? There's some things that I didn't write and I wrote lines off of Carrie and it happens

twice, off her reaction. The first thing is, okay, what's with the eyes, you say? Oh, yeah, it's really good. You're given the eyes. Yeah, it's really good. Because there's no really words I could say. I just had them say things. It was great.

And it reminded me, do you remember later when Charlotte didn't just like that? Yeah, you get the big eyes. So good. But what about in the Miranda scene where Carrie's saying, she's saying, you're not going to have it? She gives her a look. Yeah. Oh, you're right. I'm going to give up everything I wanted in life and have Steve's baby, pizza for

everyone. The sarcastic. Oh my God. It's intense. Fantastic. Buzz saw. And, you know, that really leads to the fact that when they did those polls back in the day when we were doing the show, who do you identify with? Oh, yeah. And it was always like 11% Miranda. And I was like bullshit. I know so many Miranda's, but they don't want to attach to that wildly sharp wit. sarcasm and negativity. Wow. You know, no one wanted to identify

with that even though that's a lot of world. Yeah, and also, I mean, Miranda's brilliant. Brilliant and had great jokes. Yeah, great jokes. And, like, she's not wrong. Miranda had one of those things that I love is when a character has a sense of humor.

Yeah. And you know what? Like, it's not the writers putting jokes in her mouth. Yeah. Like Miranda has a sense. of humor. Definitely. And Miranda has imagined saying something funny.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not like a character, an actress doing a joke. It's like Miranda's funny. Right. She's funny and whip smart. Like, I mean, super smart and insightful. Yeah. And just going to call it like it is.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's quite something. To a fault. Absolutely. But still. Great storytelling. Yes, yes, yes. Yes.

So when she does, I mean, I really was just thinking like, yeah, this is a stretch. Like this is a big stretch to have Miranda just suddenly decide. But when she's in the waiting room with Carrie, oh, it just is so good. That is interesting because it was kind of, as you said, none of the writers in the writing room were at the trying to have children or having children yet. I think Julie might have kids when we met her. Julie? Julie and Ben were together. I think they were together, but I don't think they had a kid.

Well, they don't because their kids are 13 and 17 now and we're way past those. Right. Right. They had babies after. Yeah. But the thing that Miranda says that's interesting is what about when I'm 40 something? And her scary age. Her scary age.

Yeah. She says, Charlotte's having trouble now. And then she says, is this my baby? I know. It cuts. Oh, it cuts. It's so good. It's so good.

And that's also like, Cynthia's just so good. You know, she's just like, I mean, everyone's so good when I look back. I mean, not that I didn't think they were, but, you know, the layers. The layers. And the complete evolution, there's a slight evolution in everyone from doing it and being it. Yeah. Being it. At this point, everyone's just being it.

Yes. You guys are acting and stuff, but you're sort of embodying it. You're just living in it. everybody's very relaxed and happy and we all know what our jobs are and the writing is leaving space bam bam oh you mean like there's space for you to feel underneath it yeah you're saying jokes but filling them in with subtext and yeah but that's also the editing like you guys were editing so carefully yeah and lady stansell yeah amazing because like there'd be silences where they remember in the beginning it would cut cut when you spoke right and then like you might

have a two-shot reaction, but now there's so many silent. It became a very, it had a great vibe. Yeah. It grew into a great vibe where there was pace, but also unexpected. Like, people were surprised every week. I mean, I'm surprised re-watching it, and I thought I knew everything, but I do not. There was a surprising. Oh, they're going to, Miranda's pregnant?

Right. How are they going to get away with that? Yes. What are they going to do with that? Now Miranda has a baby. How's Miranda going to be Miranda? I know I can't wait. Just like how's anyone going to be a mother?

Yes. And still maintain themselves. It's a huge question. It's still an ongoing question. It was relatable. Yes. And yet still seems current. Well, this is why we're still talking about it, why it's on Netflix and why all kind of young people come up and talk about it.

Yeah. So nice. Yeah. Amazing. Yeah. But I just want to talk about the comeback for a second, too. Because like when I think about you and I thought about this when we were at the, human rights campaign when the package rolled, which was so brilliant, and so many different things

and different shows and different, so many different ways. It was a package that I put together of all my LGBTQ plus characters and the straight friends. Yeah, the allies. The allies. Yeah, and the visibility. The award was for the visibility. And it was so brilliant to see it all together because I was so much, right? It was so much over so much time, too. And it was just beautiful to look at. And each show, obviously, is different, it has a different vibe. And that's what I was thinking about when I watch the comeback. It's so incredibly different.

Yeah. But it has so much heart. But also, I'm laughing out loud. But also it has so much to say about our culture, but also our industry. But also her is just a human trying so hard. And you just love her so much. Yeah. And you just feel for her.

And it's almost like everything is just stacked against her all the time. She's trying so hard, like the one that I watched this morning, which when I was talking to Julia and Elisa last week, I made the mistake of watching motherboard, rewatching motherboard while I was doing my makeup. Well, then I had to start all again because, man, did it get me bad? You know, I mean, it cuts straight down into the grief and the loss. One of the great ones. So great. So incredible. And so them.

So then. But then what they said was that you were the one who had said, we are going to do this. It was on the whiteboard. We are going to have a death. It's going to be a Miranda's mother. This was not something that was being done. In television in general, in comedies, you know, it just wasn't. But you said, we're going to do this.

And then they didn't know who would be assigned which scripts. And then as it was coming closer, you were like, you guys. And it's just so incredible what they were able to do. And then the next one, a change of address that they wrote also incredible. Like, wow. And they really said that was because you, like, They kind of brought them in. You know, they met with Darren.

They almost missed the meeting because they were going to get on the plane because they're so funny. And then their agent was like, no, you're going. And then they went to the writer's room and you were there and you just kind of cultivated them. And then you would also lean in their office and say, you're fired. Well, they were terrified. I love it. I love it. You have to scream out what the thing is that's terrifying.

Definitely. Definitely. So good. But also they were just like little kids. They were so young. Yeah, but smart. So smart. And so clever.

and originals. My motherboard myself. That's their story. It's so good. Sad Mac, the computer died. That's them. And that was a good story. And then I took a big swing and said, you do the funeral.

And, you know, they're all us. They're all us. So, you know, it is thrilling to be able to completely have different vibrations of shows and still have something that you feel as important. a humanity to them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, you know, the comeback has a wild sort of wheels coming off the cart pace that we didn't have in a lot of shows.

Right. But it does have, it suits its personality. Oh, most definitely. Yeah. So this morning I was watching as I was getting ready, the, I think it's just the most recent one where at the end, you know, they found out, I don't know, I hope I'm not, should I, yes, the leak, which also made me laugh out loud. but then at the end I was just so crushed

and then I was like, don't cry you gotta go put your makeup on, see Michael Patrick. But I mean, it was oh, so good. When things have just like, and it's not her fault. It's not Valerie's fault, but no one sees everything that she goes through. No, they don't know.

The whole TikTok world turns against her and any actors can sort of imagine that nightmare. But the thing that's great about that episode and why you probably cried is because the husband comes home. Oh, thank God. I was so worried. I was so worried that he's not going to come home.

Here's the thing. If you're going to write sad, give them something. Definitely. To be okay about it. Thank God, yes. You know what I mean? That's what we did on every, you know, if Charlotte can't get pregnant, give her a friendship where she sees someone loves her.

And then she shows, you know, it's all about don't leave them there. They can get enough of that. In real life. In real life. Definitely. But to reflect life. And then sort of elevate or not elevate, but like bring a little bit more energy up to it. So you have a little bit of overview so you can sort of cry in a good way.

Definitely. Because it's fiction. Well, cry in a connection, connected way. Like you're connected and you feel. But also it's like kind of about our culture in a way, you know, like the thing, like we're just like this one tiny part of a story leaks and blows up and then the wrong person's blamed. and then someone might be trying to defend that person, but then the other person's still blamed and it just feels like the world is against you

and doesn't understand you. And it's like so just deeply upsetting the culture, you know? It is a very challenging time to be an individual. Totally. And I would even go further a human versus a machine. Definitely. And, you know, everything that's so great about art, acting in it, writing it, directing it, is about being a human.

And like saying, hey, this hurts, it's funny and it's this and it's that. So that's why I think we'll always sort of be here. Because I agree. We're looking for us. Yes. And AI is not us. No. No.

And there's been a million, million. attempts at doing some brand, but unless it has the spark of that individual group, it doesn't track. Right. And it's also, I believe that the things that make people laugh and or cry are unexpected things. Yeah. So how is A.I. going to be able to do unexpected things if it's just, what's the word when you're like reading everything and then spitting it back at you?

There's a word. I think of it. I think it's called reading everything. Okay. There's a better word, but I can't think of it. But you know what I'm saying? It's not an original thinker. Right.

Right. So how's it going to surprise anybody? Unfortunately, there is a ton of television. Right. That doesn't command your heart or soul. I know what you're saying. To enjoy it. Yeah.

You can just watch it. Right. Right. You know, people always thought when we started to come back, it was really about the emergence of reality TV. Right. And it wasn't going to kill the narrative, tell us storytelling. And it didn't. made a very tacky wing on the house.

Totally. Like there's just this tacky wing. Sure. That if you enjoy it, I have a judgment. If you enjoy it, you can go over there, but you can still go see adolescence. Yeah. There's still a world. Yes.

Where there's some very human expression and then just stuff to watch. Right. So I'm sure AI will find it's stuff to watch. Well, that's a good point. That's a good point. How many episodes more do we have of the comeback coming? There's eight in total. Okay.

just aired six. Oh no. Oh, no. Yeah. Michael, what are you going to do next? I'm thinking and dreaming and imagining. And it's a very interesting moment because I don't have any IP right now.

I have to create something completely new and it's thrilling. Well, that's exciting. Yeah, it's very exciting. Are you well rested? Have you gotten rest? I am still a little bit like a crack monkey looking for the button. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I just came off the big press tour and the middle.

machine of it. But I don't think I ever rest. I think I... It's hard to picture. Calm down a little bit. And I dream. Yeah. And I then start thinking something else. Like, what's coming in next? What's coming into the antenna? Yeah, yeah, yeah. What's the next? So it's exciting. As long as there is a next. And I think there will be. How could there not be? Come on. We need you. Yeah. We need you, babe. And we've got to work together again. I know. Anytime. I mean, Yeah, we'll see if I can find anything interesting. I don't know.

It's tough out there to find interesting stuff after you've had what we've had. Is there anything? Yes. It's interesting. Like, there's people that I meet and I like them, right? Youngsters, really. Young directors. And I think like, yeah, yeah, I could go and work with them.

I could go and work with them. But then it's, like, it's hard because it doesn't pull all of you. Like, the parts aren't. And then I'm like, should I do it if I don't care that much? Do you know what I mean? It's hard to be open to be surprised. Okay. Because I just had a meal with two really exciting up-and-comers.

And I'm like, wow. Well, that's how I feel about Benny and Mary Beth. Oh, yeah, come on. I mean, right? They're like, I was like, wow. Those are, and they're self-made and they're doing it. And remember, we had an evolution. Yeah.

Everyone's going to have an evolution. Yeah. But the thing is, uh, be open. You're right. You're right. No, that's good. To thinking of people as wild cards. I mean, the people, I'm totally not upset with the people.

It's more the overall project. And I think it's because I'm spoiled, right? Well, also, there's not a lot of great ideas out there that are getting a lot of light. No. So, you know. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

Anytime people see you, they're excited. It's just, but you do have a level now that you want to maintain. Yeah. So that's the, that's the difficulty. And that's where it gets scary. It gets scary. How long can I maintain my level? But it's not even so much about that because some of that I, I understand that we're in a chaos point, right?

So I'm not so much. It's more about the level of the excitement of the actual creative work. That's where I get hung up. Here's the facts. Yeah. You have a lot to give. and you've been asked to give. Thankfully.

So to give a third. Right. Or less. Or less. I mean. Feels a little bit disappointing. Right. And then I don't want to go if I'm going to feel disappointed.

I don't want to let the people down. Yeah. Right? Sure. Such a hard thing to navigate. Yeah. I feel like I should send you these things in your opinion. I think.

We're done now. We probably are. Because now we're going to just, you know, dice. Now we'll start talking about projects that no one knows about it. Totally, totally, totally, totally. Which, you know, we don't want to hurt anyone's feelings. But, I mean, you know, this is just joy of you. Well, send me anything you want and I'll say yes or no to it.

Okay, great. Thank you. Thank you. I mean, you won't. You're shaking your head. I mean, it's a joy. I mean, there's so many things I was supposed to ask you about, I'm sure, but I forgot. But I don't care because it's just a joy to follow you in a conversation.

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