Are You A Charlotte? - All about Charlotte with Simon Curtis... (S4 E12 "Just Say Yes")

Episode Date: June 8, 2026

Actor, musician, and Sex and the City superfan Simon Curtis opens up to Kristin about why Stanford's character forever changed his life and why Kristin holds a special place in his family. Plus, Kristin reveals that one of her favorite Charlotte scenes is in this episode!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to Drink Chams from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, I'm Kristen Davis, and I want to know, are you a Charlotte? You guys, you guys, we have a very exciting, a very, very exciting guest, Simon Curtis is here with us. He is an Uber fan. He is a super sweetheart. We met on social media of some kind, but it was a long time ago. I think like 12 years ago. Right.

Like a long time. And he is so great, you guys. And I'm so excited to have him. And we have a lot of levels of Charlotte that we're going to explore. A lifetime of Charlotte. A lifetime of Charlotte from age 11. Oh, my gosh. Amazing.

Amazing. Do you remember? Like, how did we connect? Because I don't even remember back that far. I've literally been a fan of the show since I was 11 years old. Wow. I used to sneak watch it while my parents were watching it. It was like the perfect way to watch the show.

My parents would be in the living room watching it. And then I would go sneak watch it in the back room at the same time. So they weren't getting up to go see what I was doing. So every Sunday I would watch. Oh, I love it. So you were watching it in real time when it was on the first time on HBO. Yeah. Well, that's fantastic.

The ripe age of 11. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. And how did that affect you? Well, I think that was one of the first conversations that we ever. had and God, I feel like I'm going to cry six times today, but this is, I might as well just go ahead and jump into it. I think one of the first conversations that we ever had was telling you how much of a life raft the show was for me. I was an 11, 12 year old gay boy in Oklahoma. And the show

premiered, was it 97 or 98? 98. So 98. So I was 12. Wow. In Oklahoma. And that was just like, And at age 12, that was coming into my sexuality, going into puberty, not knowing what is this, and kind of being so isolated. And sex in the city was the first thing I ever saw that showed gay people, that it wasn't a tragedy. It wasn't, you know, we were coming out of AIDS at that time. And it was showing gay people just living life. Like Stanford, I think, is second episode with, you know, the mob.

bone. And like that was just so like, it was so much wonder for me. It was like, oh my God, this look at this world, look at, look at these people and this is so different and he's accepted and look at all this love he's surrounded by and just in general. So it was, it was such a life raft. It meant so much to me as a kid. Even though, you know, you might say, the show might not be appropriate for a 12 year old, but it, it was a life raft. It saved me in so many ways. It's amazing. It's such a crucial point in my life. That is so great.

That is so great to hear. I mean, intellectually, we know that to be true in a way, right? Maybe not all 12-year-olds or whatever, but just that we were, we forget, I think, now in 26, how different television was back then and that it would care. Culture. Culture in general. Society. Absolutely.

And for me, I was really, you know, exposed when I was 10 and I started acting in the community theater in South Carolina. that is really where all the gay people went, right? Because you didn't have a lot of freedom and options, you know, in regular life and in that time. So I was around gay people, like my whole life and I think gay people are fantastic. But second of all, you know, it was just so normal. Like if you're a theater kid, that is your world, right? And I was too.

Right. You know, from the time I was 10, that's what I was doing. That's great. And, you know, but it was still at a time when I would. hear the commentary from my parents who were driving me to and from rehearsal about people in the cast and it was just like, oh, they're going to make me one of those. So the outside was still. Yeah. Oh, definitely. And I was raised Catholic, you know, so it's, there's, there's, you know, in addition to Oklahoma, there's Catholicism, there's all of these things. Yeah, yeah. And truly sex in the city was

the first sort of like guiding light of, wow, there's, there's, there's, there's, Yeah. So much life. Yeah, truly. So much life. That's so nice. That's so nice. I'm so glad that you reached out on whatever. Was it Twitter? I think it was Twitter. Like 2016. Wow. I think it was 2016 when we were DMing. No way. Yeah. And I just wrote you that whole thing. And I was like, I just have to tell you this. I'm so glad. Me too. That's the best kind of social media, don't you think? Absolutely. And you've been a part of that since. I feel like we've been 10 pals ever since that moment. It's so true. It's so true. Well, because you're just very real and you're very positive and you're super sweet. And you know, you're very vulnerable in a way. Like, you know, when like I'm not going to do details.

But like things have happened to you and you've posted about them. And I was like, Simon! That actually is how you became my Charlotte's godmother. And I have to say, I was waiting until we were recording to share this. Because I don't even know if you are fully still aware of the full scope. of how serendipitous it was. So in 2021, my partner and I, we had been spending time in Oklahoma pretty much full time when the pandemic hit.

And like with family, it was just a nice place to be at the time. And he was modeling in Mexico City and it was September 2021 and he was gone for like two months. And I was there with our 16 year old Chihuahua Lexi and she passed in her sleep in the bed with me. and you were one of the first people to reach out immediately. And you kept checking in on me and it was so kind and so sweet. And it was right about that time I met a chihuahua breeder nearby who let me come to her house for puppy therapy.

And before Lexi had even passed, my partner, Jor, he started having dreams about a white chihuahua. Wow. And the first one that I met was the runt of the litter, this little white chihuahua. named Henry. And from Mexico City, he was like, that's my dog. That's like, we have to, we have to have him. And then there was this other little puppy named Charlotte. And come to find out, she was born the night that Lexi passed. And she had just all these behavioralisms that were just her. And I was like, oh my God, this is Lexi. Like she reincarnated instantly. Wow. And so when he got back from Mexico City, we went to go meet both of the dogs, and we parked in front of

the house afterwards. And I just, I said in the car, I was like, what are we going to do? We can't get two puppies. And at that exact moment, my phone vibrated. And it was you sending me a message. And you said, hi, honey, I know it's been a minute, because it was like two and a half weeks, or like almost a month after the fact. I just wanted to check in on you and see how you were holding up. And in the car, I just started crying. And I was like, well, Charlotte just texted me. We're getting Charlotte. We're getting two puppies.

I'm so glad I had a positive impact. Oh, my God. But it was literally, the words came out of my mouth. We can't get two puppies. Just checking on you, seeing how you were doing it. I love that. Yeah, so you've been her godmother ever since. How's she doing?

Oh, she's so good. She's so good. And the other story I was telling you before we started. at Airwain, because I'm always at Sportsman's Lodge in Studio City. The gym is there, and it's just, it's like the fun place in Studio City. It is now, which is really interesting because it wasn't always the case. It used to be scary. I don't think I'd ever walked through there until they turned it into...

Right, and now they've done like this magical rebrand or whatever. Before, wasn't it like the haunted place of like studio executives past? It was dark. Yeah, it was dark over there, okay. You were like, what has happening in these four walls? Dark, devious deeds. Yep. But now it's really cool. Okay, good.

And Charlotte is kind of like a mascot there. I take her there, and she's so social, and everybody loves her. And so when I bring her into Air One, everybody knows who she is. And it's just like the cutest thing. That is cute. And one of the employees there, she's an adorable girl named Charlotte. And she lives in the neighborhood where we walk all of our dogs. And so we've bonded.

And she told me once that her parents named her after you, after Charlotte. Love that so much. And so one night I came in, and this was last year at some point, I came in just to grab something in my pajamas, holding Charlotte. Charlotte was checking me out. And she was like, oh, my God, you just missed Charlotte. Kristen Davis was just here. And I was like, is she?

And I ran out to the parking lot holding Charlotte. I was like, where? I am so sad. I missed you. I texted you immediately, but I don't think you saw it like the next day or something, because it was the middle of the night. But I was like, there are so many layers of Charlotte happening right now. Like your goddaughter. I'm just really sad, though, that I missed you in your pajamas with Charlotte at Air One.

You are living in L.A. life that is awesome. True. With the Air One cashier who's like this 17-year-old girl who's named after you. Oh, my God. Insane. Insane. True. Well, thank you to the parents of Charlotte who works at Airwant Studios.

city. That's lovely. And I love any dog named Charlotte just so everyone knows. It's always like makes my heart sing to meet the little puppies. You have so many God babies in this world. Oh, I love it. Anytime I meet a dog named Charlotte, it's always because of you. Any dog named Charlotte. I don't even know if I should really take credit for that, right? I think Charlotte's just a good name, but I do feel very excited whenever I mean. Oh, no, because I talk about it with people. Oh, you do? And they always clarify. And there's always a post conversation. Okay. Always. I love that. I love that. You're out there representing, Simon. I really appreciate it. Can I also mention because, just because, you know, let's be thorough here, you have a very beautiful voice. Oh, thank you. Now, I knew that you had this whole career in music, but like when I'm just sitting here listening to your voice, it's so incredibly beautiful. Thank you so much. Thank you. So just tell us a little bit about your music. Yeah, I start. So I started on Nickelodeon in like 2009. I was in a musical called Spectacular, a movie musical.

And that was like post high school musical and all of that. And I started as an actor when I moved to L.A. And then I had some interesting experiences that were a little traumatic at the time looking back. And I pivoted and was like, you know what? I'm so tired of hearing no. I'm so tired of people telling me that I have to not be gay, all of these things. Yes. And I'm going to release music.

And so I released my first album, Ape at Heart, in 2010. And it went super viral. And I've had this incredible fan base ever since with my music. Amazing. Yeah. So it's been making music ever since. So, and you have some crazy number of streams. Yes.

So I think the grand, like, lifetime total of my music that's up on all the streamers, right now is it like 1.75 billion streams cumulatively? I mean, yeah. That's so crazy. Crazy. I also feel like there's just like music is so interesting, right? Because people think it's just pop music, but it isn't. Like you can really have this blooming career kind of somewhat independently. Is that the right word? Completely. And truth be told, I was one of the very first people to just start releasing independent pop music. In 2010, that was a really revolutionary thing. It was really just like rappers releasing mixtapes. And so I was one of the first people. And so I was one of the first people. who put out an electronic pop album in that same way. Wow. So it's, yeah.

That's so neat. Yeah, it's been really cool. How did you know how to do that? Like, what made you think of that? When I first moved out to L.A., one of my best friends was an aspiring producer, and we just were always recording and making music together. Wow. And that was after Spectacular and after I was having all of these sort of actor traumas,

I just decided to do it. I was like, let's make an album. I'm buckling down and I'm doing it. Amazing. Yeah. That is so, I love to hear the stories where people are able to kind of keep their autonomy, create from a place of, you know, like you're grounded,

you're making what you want to make. And then you're putting it out there. It's so amazing that that's something you can do in this day and age. But I don't think that people are always aware that that's something you can do. And that, I wasn't aware of it either. it was always just a decision. Even, you know, I'm an author as well. And when I decided to write my first book, I just did it.

And I wrote on Twitter, who here knows anything about YA publishing? And one of my turbo fans at the time had this avatar of a little cupcake. And he was like, hey, send me a DM. For whatever reason, I was like, sure. And I did. And he was like, I'm an editor at Simon & Schuster. Oh, my God. And he'd been a fan of my music since I started putting it out.

Wow. And he was like, I want to hear more about the book you're writing. And he wound up buying my book at Simon & Schuster. Incredible. And so that was published in 2016. And then I had my first graphic novel published last year. Wow. So everything that I've done has always just kind of been like, well, I'll do this.

Wow. Well, I think number one, you're incredibly talented. But number two, super smart. That you're thinking proactively for yourself. And I do feel like that's possible in this day and age. I just don't think that people necessarily, maybe they don't have your just innate confidence, right? I'm just going to do this or whatever.

But also, that's why I like to tell the stories like this because I feel like, do you know, Benito Skinner? Oh, yeah, yeah, I love him. I've met him before. Yeah, he's so great. He's super, super, super sweet. And that show. Incredible, right?

I was able to have such a beautiful moment with him last summer at the Hollywood Cemetery. He's good friends with my friend Janet. And we went to see the anniversary showing of Clueless. Okay. And so she's on one of the Bravo shows, The Valley. And so we were in with like the talent section and he was with us. And I happened to go to the bathroom at the same time with him.

And I just had this conversation where I was saying the same thing. Like I'm so inspired. It's so great. Seeing you, you made this. You brought it to life. You're shepherding it. It's such an inspiration. Especially as a fellow gay person.

A fellow gay person and super creative and so nice and so hardworking and so creatively, you know, engaged, right? But he started making his, you know, spoofy videos. 100% on Instagram or TikTok or whatever. And you never know where it's going to lead. Exactly. And you just have to put yourself out there and do it. You just have to do it. And honestly, I feel like that's such an extension of my teenage years. And even tying back to what the show did for me, because when I moved to L.A., I was 18. Wow. I saved up. I was working at P.F. Chang's in Tulsa. Oh my gosh. Which I also have a good. story because I was working at P.F. Chang's, the night of the series finale. And I've heard you

talk about what the impact of the show was for the outside world because it was such, obviously such an insular experience for you being in the middle of it. Yeah. And I mean, I can remember before the show premiered, front page in the newspaper, like the headline, let's talk about sex. And this, like in the newspaper in Oklahoma, before the show ever premiered. How much of a cultural phenomenon it was. Wow. And by the time the series was wrapping up, it was like, it's so hard to describe what it was like going to work that night. And every single person coming in the door in this busy restaurant in the middle of the winter and every single person was, well, are you going to blah, blah, blah is watching the show. Do you want to know? Do you want to

know? And it was like this palpable. And at one point during the shift, somebody, said there was like somebody who was a little tipsy and somebody said at this table, she wound up with big and the entire place cheered. No way. It was it's so hard to describe because it wasn't like the Super Bowl. It just felt bigger. It felt so culturally pervasive. I miss those days where we could have a group experience, not not of us, but just in general.

Yeah. You know, like the group experience of watching something together. Yeah. Talking about something, you know, in culture. And I mean, it kind of happens now. Like, I guess, stranger things, you know. But it's still kind of separated, you know, like in terms of the cultural conversation and the experience of watching it. Totally.

But sex in the city started it. Oh, I don't think we started it. But you're adorable. Oh, no. And that's another thing that I said before we started. I will defend two. the death that I truly believe sex in the city is the most significant TV show that's ever been made. You're adorable.

I say it without hyperbole. I know. You're so cute. Because if you look like the history of television, what TV was as a medium, as an art form before sex in the city changed forever after it. I don't know. It was a truly, it's like a deviating path in the timeline. Really? 100%.

That is so sweet. I don't know if that's true, but I really appreciate it. I mean, I do love us. I do love us, right? Obviously, I wouldn't do a podcast about us if I didn't love us. But I don't know about like, it's still a little hard for me to fully be objective. I say, like, I take for example, euphoria, something that's airing right now. It's, Hans Zimmer is doing the score for every episode.

Kodak invented a new type of film for the season to be shot on. No way. You weren't getting these experiences in the movie theater these days. Wow, wow, wow. And this show on HBO is getting this. Like Sam Levinson is just getting to make the movie of his dreams every week. Yeah. That is a direct result.

But that's even just somebody, even if whether or not you like it, like somebody is able or whether or not you think it's even good. No, no, I understand what you're saying. Somebody's getting at another level. The creative license to, and if you thought about, if you think about TV pre-1998, that was unimaginable. You're right. You're right. I would put us and Sopranos, I think, because

Sopranos, like, because of what they were able to do creatively, I think because we both happened at the same time, which was, of course, you know, the brilliance of the people working at HBO at the time. Carolyn and Chris, it was really just those two, which is also really funny. Like, people think it was like a whole team of people. Not really.

It was a really small little group. But to that end, I listened. to the episode of this podcast where you were talking with the executive at HBO. And I loved hearing you say it because I've always believed it. But you

laid out the timeline and Sex and the City was first. It's true. We were. Yeah. And because of the success of Sex and the City, the Sopranos got this creative license to just be what it was. I mean, I think that they went together and I think that

they, they, I mean, we were, I think the thing that's interesting about it is at the time, which I think I said before, we were very much like the girly show, right? We were like a little bit, um, lesser than. I don't know. It felt like that's, that's how it felt at the time, right? Oh, it pisses me off. Ooh, I get steamed. Ooh, I get riled up by. You're so cute. No, I really do. I mean, but it, it, in a lot of ways, it made sense because I think at the beginning, of us, no one ever thought we'd win an Emmy, a comedy on cable, had never won an Emmy, right? It wasn't, you know, whatever. And Sopranos was also really creating first in so many ways for HBO. So we had, we were like tandem, right? Comedy, half hour, you know, hour long drama, obviously. And they got

so many kudos. Well, of course they did, because it's the mafia grow show. Right. But they were also really great. Oh, completely. Yeah, yeah. And that's not to, that's not to discredit them. I just feel like I've spent 20 years, like, defending, like, going to, like, going to that and be like, no, sex in the city was first. It's true. It's true. And also, the thing about sex in the city is that it was a level of honesty that didn't exist on television. That's true.

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One of the things that I am aware of when I am rewatching, I hadn't really. I hadn't really realized how really brave we were in our storytelling, not just with the writing and the honesty, but like the visuals. Like everything was so elevated and really beautiful. And you don't, even though now we have eight million shows, right? Yeah. You don't really see that now. But even with the Sam thing, and I'm not up to date on Euphoria, but like that is like a little movie every week, right? And that's, I think like the, the, the, joy of it and maybe you don't love it necessarily. I don't know. I'm not up on it. It's a lot. I love it. I love it. My issue is that once I get the kids to bed, I have like one hour, right?

And I am scared to watch something so intense because then I can't sleep. It's a little intense for me. I will sit because you're Pisces, right? I am also a Pisces. It's the Pice. All of my Pice's friends are obsessed with it. Really? It hits. Do you, it's like, did you enjoy the very first Kill Bill? Yeah. Oh, I love Kill Bill. That season three of Euphoria.

Oh, really? It's so imaginative. Okay. It's a constant, everything feels like a dream and a poem. But it's like possibly also a nightmare. Oh, totally. But I mean, in terms of the storytelling. Right.

I mean, it's, you get a fantasy sequence that it's like I always think about. in Kill Bill Volume 1, one of the scenes is fully anime. And you're not taken out of the movie. That's true. And it's Lucy Lou's character's backstory, but it's just an anime sequence. I forgot about that. And then one sequence, as you're watching it, goes completely black and white. You don't notice it until it's, and it's things like that.

Good call. Yes, I understand what you're saying. So all of my Pice's friends who are obsessed with like Pan's Labrance or, you know, things like that, it's just. That's not me. It might be a little too scary. But the level of imagination is what I'm saying. Yes, which is impressive. It's like unbridled imagination.

And that's what's really amazing about HBO. And, you know, I really hope that they're able to keep their own autonomy and the current insanity of our business, you know, because they do allow people to take those risks. 100%. And that's where sex in the city stands alone. Yeah. Also, Sarah Jessica doing sex in the city.

That's another. reason the show was so significant. There'd never been a movie star that had just all of a sudden done TV like that. That's true. That was, because I, Sarah Jessica was such, like I grew up with the VHS of Flight of the Navigator as one of my very first repeat movies. Like, it was brave little toaster, little mermaid, and Flight of the Navigator. So I had all of her dialogue from Flight of the Navigator burned into my brain from the time I was two years old. is like out of my realm of knowledge. Oh my God, yeah.

Someone else brought this up to me and I was like, I don't even know what you're talking. It's a beautiful movie. Wow. And she's an icon in it. Wow. How could I have missed this? But then she went from that to, you know, as a child, like I'm talking, I was watching that as a two-year-old.

Got it. Like on repeat. Crazy. And then from there it was hocus pocus, pocus. Right. Which, again, on repeat. And then First Wives Club. Right.

I was like this little fifth grade gay boy who couldn't stop watching First Wives Club. And so it was just like this string. And then that led right into seeing the newspaper of Sarah Jessica Parker. Let's talk about sex in the newspaper and being like, she's on a show. So it was just this like seamless thing for me to experience. That's interesting. I like that.

I like that. She would like that too. That would be nice for her to hear. I love it. Honestly, that's one of the things, I think I might have DM'd you at some point. In my many diary entries I've sent you over the year. Oh, I love a lot. Just like even that, you know, because I've always told you that the show was such a guiding light for me in my life.

And even her being Carrie in it. That was, you know, she was somebody as an actor who's been with me since I was two years old. That's amazing. This is, you know, there's a level of love and kinship that you feel not only for the characters, but for you as actors. And how significant these roles have been in so many people's lives. Yeah, yeah, yeah. especially my life. Like it's,

it's, it's really, really remarkable. It's so nice. It's so nice. It's so nice to feel that. And it's, I think the joy,

the joy of it was just the other day, Lisa Kudrow, who's been, you know, out, I know, right, talking about the comeback and it's over now, which I'm so sad

and it's so good. And she was talking about, she's been talking about so many fascinating things out there. Yeah. She's super fascinating person. And she was talking about how she had always thought

that fame would feel like a warm hug, but that it didn't. It felt, and I can't remember the word she used, but something like an onsla, like an attack or whatever, which sometimes it can, obviously. I think it can feel like both, right? But sometimes, and it kind of comes and goes in waves in terms of the intensity of it, which I think is also important.

Someone said that to me when I was really young, like, oh, it won't always be, you know, if you're having a rough day with it or whatever, it's not always going to be that, which is important to remember. but the warm hug part, I think, is like when you can get a little distance from it, and then you can kind of not feel so inundated, you know, with whatever, you know, you're going through or whatever. And you can just have the connection with people and the connection that people have with the work and with characters and with what you all made, which is so, like, isn't that why we do what we do? And I told you this before and just like that ever even premiered.

I was so amazed by what a gift that was for actors to be able to revisit characters in these sort of, and that's the exact same thing that Lisa must be experiencing right now with the comeback, which is interesting because they're both Michael Patrick King projects, and it's these very unique experiences for actors where you've not only been able to craft these characters with so much love and soul, but you've been able to shepherd them across decades. I agree. And I don't think there are, and I said this to you, when, and just like that premiered, I don't think there are actors who've ever gotten to experience that.

No, I know. It's incredible. I agree. That's incredible. I agree. And what an achievement that is. I agree. It is an achievement.

And we are really, really happy that we got to do it. Don't get me started on that. Well, yeah, I mean, you know, I much like the comeback when I first watched it, I never ever thought that it would come back. And then here we are. Totally. It's, I'm always, I'm always holding, holding out faith for my girls. That's sweet. You know, we did have Michael Patrick here and he said, I said to him, what are he going to do?

This was last week, I want to say. And he said, you know, now that the comeback is done and we're done, I've, I'm all out of IP. I got to create some fresh IP. And I was like, I tried to really like hold myself together when he said that. I can, can I speak freely? Of course. Okay. So my dream, my dream of dreams. Yeah, yeah.

A, I always want my girls back. I need them. I appreciate that. I will follow them into the sunset. Thank you. I always need them. Thank you. But my dream of dreams.

Yeah. Is the original show format. 30 minutes. Like the same, with with Carrie voiceover, narrating. Yeah. And the music. Wait, you don't mean the original format where we're we talk to the camera.

Do you? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I mean, I was like, how far back do we have to go, Simon? No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm talking. When the series was, like, firing on all cylinders, there is, and you can see it, like, people doing parodies. People will write tweets in the format of a page of Sex and the City.

Yes. And it's like Golden Girls. When Golden Girls hit the stride, there was a structure to the show that hit these beats. Sure. And it was like, ah, it just, it's like hitting a, tuning fork and that sound just feels good in your soul. That's what the episodes of Sex and the City are like. The cadence, the pacing, how much you get, it all happens lightning fast in those episodes.

But by the time you finish the season, you've had these character arcs that just, especially by the time you get to season four, which I'm so excited to be talking about, by the time you get to season You're seeing these women's lives change even though you've been watching these 30-minute episodes. And that was like that is my dream. I want 20-30-minute episodes. I want Carrie's voiceover back. I want the music. That was also such a something, you know, as a musician, I love the music in the first series, these jazz interstitials.

And then by the time and also season four is when you start getting the really good needle drops. I think the episode after the one that we're reviewing today is when the Shadee song comes on at the end. That song makes me cry because of the show. And it's the end of the season, I heart, NY, that is my favorite episode of Sex in the City that exists. And Moon River end capping that episode is like it makes. me sob my eyes out. And there's just, you know, I don't know, there's something about the music and the pace. It's how it all came together.

I know what you're saying. I know what you're saying. I don't think that we can recreate that. I totally know why you would want us to recreate that, but I don't think it can be done. And I think that Michael, when we did and just like that, and this is the end. And then we'll go, we're going to talk about the episode. Sorry. I'm telling myself as much as you.

when we went to do a just like that he felt really strongly that we had to be extremely clear that we were not going to be recreating the show because we would just fail because we're in our 50s now and it can't be the same show

and it can't be the same rhythm and it can't be all of those things and I get what he was saying because it would be strange to have us in this whole whole very different decade, right? Yeah.

Trying to do that. I think there's probably a happy medium, right? But he just felt very strongly from his point of view that it had to, we had to be clear that we were being very different. What I think is so interesting is that he is saying that, but also making the comeback, which is, you know, even though the tone, the tone, the tone of season three of the comeback is completely different. That's true. Cadence is the same. That's a good point. What you sit down to experience is experientially the same thing.

But the tone is... The tone is different, right? I mean, I haven't watched this. Oh, I watched it, yes. But I haven't watched the first one in a long time. Oh, okay. I mean, that's, you know, that is... It's kind of like akin to old Ricky Jervas,

situational, single cam, like the original office. It's like humiliation comedy. It's deeply uncomfortable to watch. Well, that's how I felt the first time. And it was also right at the end of our show, right? And it was about a 40-something-year-old actress who was over, quote over, trying to make a comeback. Yeah. And being humiliated all the time.

And I was basically just laying on my couch crying because the show was over. So I was like, I can't do this. What are you doing? Like, and I felt so guilty because I couldn't watch it. I love him so much. I wanted to support. I was like, it's like daggers in my heart. I can't watch it.

But now, and to what I was saying, even though it's the same format, we're experiencing Valerie Cherish in a totally different way. So true. That is so true. And in this season, we're seeing, even though similar things might be happening to her, we're seeing that she has so much wisdom and she's earned so much respect. So much. And so much. And people are giving her her flowers the entire season. Yes. Yes.

And it feels very natural because of the time progression. And they didn't have to throw the baby. out with the bathwater. They didn't have to completely reinvent the show to do that. You're giving me good ideas. That's really, really true. That's really, really true. I hadn't thought about that. You know what I think is also interesting? And I'll have to think about the some more because you bring up good points. Lisa and Michael wrote the whole this season together, right? And they wrote in the beginning together. So I think that because you have another voice with you, maybe he doesn't have as much pressure. I mean, that's a big thing. He really carries the

pressure, the creative pressure. Totally. Like kind of alone, even though we have these incredible writers. Yeah. It takes it so. And I cannot imagine what that must be like with Sex and the City because, as I said, it is the most significant TV show in the history of television. So that's a lot of pressure weighing on that. It's a lot of pressure.

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It's called Just Say Yes. And honestly, this is, I've said this before. I mean, I don't remember a lot of season four because I do believe in my mind that I had, season three and season four were together because Charlotte's arc is still the same. right? Like because the tray marriage overlaps in a way that was never supposed to happen, right? And I'm going through all the things. Like I didn't separate them in my mind, I think, which is why I think they were all just season three to me. And also, I have to say this before we get into the episode itself, how did you feel going into, I mean, I guess season three and four? Because to me, having watched every episode at least 70 times, like actually, how did you feel as

an actor just getting these scripts. Because this... I was very excited. Very excited. Very excited. I mean, that's always how... I mean, this is how I felt we would get the scripts in a manila envelope. This is back before they would do the watermarking and all that stuff, right?

And you would just go to your trailer and rip it open and try to read it before they called you back to the set, you know, because you're just dying to know what's going to happen. Well, yeah. Now, we would have known from Michael the general arc, right? And so he would always give us the plan and run up by us and get our thoughts and whatever. But you never knew how that was going to manifest itself into script, right? And because each script is assigned to a different writer. So this particular script, just say, yes, is Cindy Shupak.

I have to interject. Sure. I have another layer of that in my life. So I'm from Tulsa, Oklahoma, where Cindy Shupak is from. Yes. And so growing up, watching it, my best childhood friend, Heather, her older sister, was lifelong best friends with Cindy's sister. And they're both Jewish, the Jewish community, and top. Tulsa is very tight-knit.

And so growing up watching sex in the city, Heather's dad, Larry, was just always, always bragging about her and, oh, have you watched sex in the city? You know, Cindy Shupak is writing it. That's so great. So it was just like when I saw that, when I saw that she wrote this episode, I was like, adorable. And it's such a good one. And she really is very charlottie, very, very charlotte.

All the writers in the room considered her to be like a good Charlotte voice, right? Wow. Because she's very, you know, she came. on the show and she said she was a Charlotte, I'm pretty sure. She had a lot of, even though at this point in their lives, the writers didn't have a lot of this experience

that Charlotte's having yet. It was like they hadn't found their purse, they hadn't tried to get pregnant and all that stuff. But she really wanted all those things in the same way that Charlotte does, right? And the thing that's interesting in this particular one, I would say for myself when I rewatched it, so much happens with Charlotte.

Like I had thought that these different scenes, I remember the scenes, but I thought they were in different episodes. I didn't realize they were all jam-packed into one. And let me just ask you, because this is on the top of my mind. Yes. Do you remember when I don't know if we've explained this or not, right? Like, do you remember when he tells me that he doesn't really want to have a baby anymore and he's tired? And I walk into the other room and that mural is there? Do you know what that is?

I don't. Isn't it kind of scary? I mean, it's terrifying. It's like, I feel like there's a certain element of like, Tim Burton macabre to all of that, like, what's at the Manhattan Who's It? Totally. Totally. And Charlotte's like, oh, you need a Manhattan who's it.

And it's like this weird, like, what the heck? Crawled out of a Tim Burton movie. And I remember at the time I was, I think I felt the same way. But also, like, I didn't want to hurt anyone's feelings. I didn't know who had painted it. Like, this is the situation you're in on a set. It's for the baby. It's the baby's room.

Yeah. That's, oh, no, I knew it was for the baby's room, but it's still like horror. Maybe horror. You know, I didn't get to the bottom of it. I don't know why. But like when I'm re-seeing and I'm like, wow, it's scarier than even I realized at the time. And it's also so big and it doesn't go with their apartment at all?

Yeah. What the heck, man? And then there's like a chest that's also dark green. And later on I think I have to deal with that. I remember that being like looming large or whatever. Oh, that's so funny. Kind of scary. But also like the way that I like walk in there and like look at it.

all very spooky. But that's something too, I was so excited that I got asked to review this episode because I feel like it's right in the middle. There's a string of episodes that are Charlotte's like greatest hits.

The episode before ends with, we're having a baby. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And your delivery on that, it makes me cry every time. I've seen the show 8,000 times. It makes me cry every time. Thank you.

And then you go from that to this episode. I'm getting some juice. And I don't know. And then the next episode, like it's just... It's a lot. All these scripts are Charlotte's greatest hits.

I know. It's definitely a lot. I don't even know at the time if I realized that. You don't even saying. Like, if I really was like... Maybe that's also why I maybe don't remember. I remember stuff about filming. it, right? But like, the fact that it's all in one, and I mean, in this particular episode,

and then we'll be more linear or whatever, but we're Pisces, so let's not. I had Asif Manvian, he's also a Pisces. We ended up seeing George Harrison, who's also a Pisces, and talking about whether time existed or not. I mean, it's a spirit. So it's exactly, right? Right? It's, right? Everything everywhere all at once. We're there. Let's only have Pisces guests. But it's true. But also, like, you can't, you can only take certain episodes. You can only take any of these episodes without the context of the entire season and the series. So I feel like you kind of have to zoom in. Like, you have to have the macro to accurately discuss the micro. Absolutely, absolutely true. And that's what I love about this season is, I mean, honestly,

it's one of the things that I love so much about the show in general is because you started thinking you're getting this sitcom. Right. And by the time. the entire series wraps, you have the most beautiful, satisfying character arcs that have ever been put to film. And I mean, all four characters. You have Charlotte at the very final episode, this is our baby. God, like, you have Miranda. Steve, your mother can come live with us. Oh, I forgot about that end mirror. And then you have, Samantha, you were the greatest man I've ever known. and then you have Carrie with her phone

and her voiceover saying the greatest relationship you can ever have in your life is the relationship that you get with yourself. And if you find someone else who loves you along the way, well, then that's just fabulous. Amazing. They are the four, it's all intertwined and they are the greatest arcs that you've ever gotten.

And each season is also its own arc. Definitely. And I feel like having seen the show so many times, Charlotte was the very first one of the four characters that started really getting like the meat and bones character art. Starting in season three. Wow. And especially just seeing the scripts that you were working with. It was because everybody got that.

Every single one of these characters went into some real shit. Definitely. But Charlotte was the first one. Charlotte was with her marriage dissolving. And then the fertility journey. Yeah. Charlotte was the first one who was like, especially as an actor, they were throwing you into some real shit. They were, they were.

I mean, I look back on it. And I mean, I do think I was very excited. I think it was kind of scared. And then like when I watch it, I'm like, oh, my God, so much is happening. So much is happening. And if I were to do it now, obviously 30 years later, or 25 years later, whatever it is. You know, I would have more to call upon as an actor. But I feel like the thing that's interesting watching it, because Charlotte is one of my best friends described Charlotte as like my younger sister.

you know, because she's different but similar, right? And she's kind of more, you know, innocent in some ways and whatnot that I am. I don't know if that's the right word, but, you know, she needs her. She hasn't been through all this yet. You don't what I'm saying? So like sometimes when I watch a scene, like sometimes I'll watch a scene, like I love the scene when Cynthia, when I do go, you know, Cynthia's decided to keep the baby. I love that scene.

I'm not totally sure about my performance on the street, though. That was last episode too. You know when Cynthia follows me? When Miranda follows me? Are you sure? 15% chance of ever have. Are you kidding? Oh my God.

No, you feel that in your... I need Simon to be with me at all times, you guys. I will be because, no, you feel that in your fucking gut. Okay. There's panic. There is shame. Okay. All of these things come out of Charlotte's eyes and face in two seconds.

Okay. And you get to see Cynthia. like Miranda shifts because she's so pissed. And then you see her heartbreak. Yes. And it's... She's so good. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no.

I will not take this slander. Okay, okay, okay. No, because it's, I'm telling you, like... You need to be implanted in my brain. No, I will because it's... Okay, you're so sweet. This season is Charlotte's greatest hits. Okay, so let me ask you this.

Let me ask you this about Charlotte. Okay, so this, this, this, but as I'm watching, I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, oh, this. Oh, this. Oh, my God, they're all together. And my favorite, one of my favorite scenes, which I fondly remember and did live up to my, to my memories of it, is when I'm practicing my Mandarin. Yes. And I'm doing my nails. Yes. And my vintage slip.

Yeah. Okay. I really remember this scene. And I hope this is okay that I'm going to say this. This episode is directed by David Frankel. Yeah. And David Franklin and his wife had gone through in vitro. And he was one of a big, a big influence on how I did things because he had a lot of.

thoughts and feelings and, you know, they have two beautiful children and it all worked out. But it had been hard, right? And he would talk to me a lot about it, which was helpful because I didn't have a lot of friends at that point who had gone through it. It was. It was a big deal. Yeah, it was a big deal. Yeah. It was a very big deal. Yeah. So when, you know, when I'm telling Trey like, oh, this person, that person in our building and he's like, what did you do? Put up a memo. You know, because there was so shame, right, about it, which is kind of adorable. But, and now I feel like a lot of that shame has gone. Thank God. Totally. But I think for Charlotte too, because Charlotte wants to be perfect at everything. And so it's hard, you know. And also, in vitro, as much as it's really commonly discussed, it is a hard thing to go through. Oh, yes.

Like, it's not easy. It makes you feel like you're a lunatic when you're on all those hormones. You play so well. Thank you. And from the moment the scene opens with the shot in the butt. It's just this manic, hyped. And it's so subtle because somebody could have taken that to a place of ridiculousness. And you did.

It was pitch. Perfect. Sometimes I'm not sure. First of all, I do want to say that's not my butt. I definitely drew the line. I was like, I am not going to stand there with a close-up on my butt while you're pretending to put a needle in it. That it would be no. And I can so totally tell because it's not shaped, right?

But whatever, it's cool. It's very nice. It's very nice. It's nicer than mine. Anyway, that made me laugh. But like when I, like, the, I had forgotten about the fling, the Scottish fling. Oh my God. Like I'm not sure if I was crazy enough or whatever.

I did really like how I played the scene where Frannie Bunny tells me that she does not appreciate Mandarin food. The devastation on your face. And I also felt it all over again. Like how dare she? There's so much devastation. That's what I'm saying. This chunk of episodes, it's Charlotte's greatest hits. It's a lot.

The instant devastation, the betrayal. the betrayal because it's that's like such a line to cross with like that tray has crossed that he's divulged that definitely definitely and it's just oh no no no the line delivery there is it's it's it's beautiful oh i'm so glad it's a beautiful moment it's it's heartbreaking and infuriating but your performance is stunning good i like that one but then when i go in to get him out of the center of the the scottish dancing and he rips my dress i'd remember there being so much stress about that. And Pat had to make me that dress

because we couldn't find a dress and it had to be a specific plaid and then he had to rip it so we had to have multiples so they'd had to make that for me. And I remember feeling like, this is a whack dress. This dress is crazy. Like it was so much plaid,

like so much plaid. But he had to rip it. And I remember that was really stressful. But I don't know if I do that right. Like, am I mad enough? I don't know. Oh, no. So I watched it.

again just this morning. It's perfect. Okay. Okay. There's no, I, I've, I live, eat and breathe these episodes and there's never, there's never been a moment we're like, hmm, that could have been adjusted. Okay. Okay. Okay. Good. I'm glad. Because we can't go back now. We can't go back now. Which is what I tell myself. But it is a lot like, and I do like the scene that I love the most, I don't know why. Yeah. I love that scene where I'm doing my nails. It goes in. I'm trying to do the Mandarin. Because Mandarin is very hard, guys. I don't know if you guys have ever tried to speak Mandarin. It's very hard. I took Mandarin in high school. Oh my God. Well, then you're probably really good. And so I spoke like survival Mandarin in high school.

But as soon as I moved to LA, I lost all of it. It's hard, man, because it's hard to retain. Because it doesn't, you don't conjugate verbs. It's a whole different. And the intonation is everything. You can totally change your words with the intonation. And I was trying to learn it a little bit back then. But woo-wee. Then I ended up going to Beijing and Shanghai to do an ad thing where I had to learn it. I had to have like a consultant teach me because it's like impossible. Like my three lines I had to have someone teach me.

But I love that scene because I think I had gotten from David Frankel kind of like free reign to have that scene. Even though it's on the paper. Like I think he does say something like Kyle says, we should adjust your hormones or whatever. But like he just let me do every line like crazy. Do you mean?

But what is so funny is that in that scene, after the Scottish Blink, it feels so grounded. Oh yeah, yeah. It's like... Then we're back, yeah. Well, then we're back because it's obvious that I am doing something

that Trey is not involved in or whatever. It's like sad. It's so sad. And then when he sits down and says he's exhausted... He just wants to play golf. And he wants to play golf. It's horrible. And then I'm like, why?

I feel like I should be more upset. But I also feel that there is kind of like a drip, drip of it, right? Do you know what I'm saying? Oh, it's perfectly pace because it ramps up. Because also, I feel like that's it, that's a dawning realization. That's a, that's a, that's not only just a rug pull. That's not only a realization of Charlotte thinking, what if I don't have a kid? Then that's Charlotte going back to, well, what if this isn't my husband? Right. Then that's Charlotte going in the nursery and being like, I've built a house of lies. Right. What, what, what, how can I be here again? Definitely. And so I feel like you.

Well, I'm good. I'm good. then. I'm good then. Okay. I feel much better. Thank you, Simon. Thank you, Simon. That's good. That was the perfect description of what should be her interior monologue. So I feel really good. All right, everyone on Are You a Charlotte? We are going to take a break and we will be back with more. Simon Curtis as the week continues. Thanks for joining us. Number one hits, millions of records sold. Awards, sold out tours. You think that Jonas brothers are satisfied? Nope. It's podcast time. We get to ask other people questions. because we're sick and tired of being asked questions.

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