Are You A Charlotte? - Alrighty… it’s Happening. Kyle MacLachlan is Here!

Episode Date: December 1, 2025

Trey and Charlotte are together again!!  It’s the reunion we all need this holiday season! Charlotte fell in love with Trey and thought he was her forever Prince Charming but between Bunny and the bedroom issues this fairytale fell apart. Kyle MacLachlan joins Kristin!  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Thanks. I brought the cardboard baby just, just, it's just outside in the hallway. The cardboard baby is not allowed. Yeah, not allowed of this room. Not allowed. So happy to be here. Thank you for having me on. Thank you for being here.

I can't wait to get into everything. Oh, it's a fun conversation, you guys. Kyle has an amazing, amazing style and home decor. Oh, well. Thank you very much. I got some really good advice from Kyle back in the day. Oh, remind me. what I said to you. Did I say something really, really old apartment, Upper West Side pre-war.

Beautiful. Yeah. And I said, I don't know. There's like wires coming out of the walls and I don't know. And you said, you need an alabaster sconce that's appropriate to the time. And this is where you go to get it. And I still have them. I love them. I don't have anywhere to put them now. Yeah, right. You still have them. You save them. Because they're gorgeous. Yeah. That's a beautiful light that comes out of there. It's a very flattering light. Very warm light. Warm and soft. I know. It makes us look good like the lighting you have here.

It's warm and soft. I know. I feel strongly about lighting. It's important. Right? Oh my God. And the older we get, the more important it becomes.

Right? Yeah. Yeah. That's what I love about your hair. Oh. Like your hair is kind of like creating like a beautiful halo around your face. Thank you. I love it.

I love it. Yes. You still have a ton of it. Got a lot of hair. It's a little different color. I know, but wasn't it that color then too? And you were. I've been.

coloring my hair for, well, I started going gray in my 20s. She's so crazy. Is it hereditary? Yeah, my mom. She was totally gray in college. Wow. Yeah. And did she just wear it?

Well, my mom changed her look many, many times. So she colored her hair and then she had a wig phase. Oh, yeah, the whole thing. It was the 60s and 70s. So it was all about that. Right. You know, it was kind of up style, blonde, you know. Got it.

She was very, very, in the small town of, you know, Yakima. She was very fashion-aware. I guess fashion-aware. Not a fashion-forward necessarily fashion-aware. That would be hard. Yeah. In Yakima. Yeah. Oh, yeah. For sure. But I remember at the time that we were on the show, we would talk about your hair and how, like, would you ever be able to just be your natural gray self? And now you are. And now, it's happened. I love it. Right. I gave up. And you're embracing it. I think it's fantastic. Thank you. And you went, walked in the Vogue world. Yes. Yeah, the other night. That was really fun. Was it? That was really fun. Yeah. It was, I mean, Bazelerman did the whole thing, and it was just so beautifully realized, I thought.

And a nice, a meshing of fashion and the fashion world, of course, and all of the designers. Right. They chose for the films. Yeah. And it was really great. And it was huge. Big. So big.

There were over 140 people walking in the show. Good Lord. Yeah. I mean. They heard makeup room alone. I can't imagine. It wasn't even a room. It was a, they had a soundstage.

Wow. Filled. Wow. Yeah. It was wild. Did you film it? I did a little bit. Yeah, a little bit.

Because that's interesting. I felt a little like, not uncomfortable, but like, oh, I don't want to invade. Everyone's getting ready. And I was like, it's not really the time you want to do that. So I did it kind of wide and sort of vague. But that's interesting. I think that's really interesting. Yeah.

It was cool. I would like to be there. That would be interesting, though I would not want to walk in that thing. Oh, you've been great. Oh, you just walked down the street. Really? Yeah, it's on Paramount. Yeah, you just walk down.

And there's people from the other side. They're cheering you on. And you're like, hey, man, I see it. It's very positive, fun. I think you're very, you've walked in shows before and things. You've done a lot of things I have not done. I mean, I feel like you're... The time is now.

Well, the time is now for sure. But also, I think you have to know your, like your wheelhouse or whatever. I don't know that that's mine. Oh, I would not discount that at all. That's so sweet. You would fit right in. That's very sweet, girl. Thank you.

I don't know. I don't know. I feel like you have had... in some ways, like many different careers. But maybe it's just different eras, journey mean, and you always kind of had one foot in fashion and design. Yeah, I like all of that. And I've been able to sort of, I was able to manifest it at a certain time.

And it sort of stays around. I mean, that was one of the pleasures of doing this whole world was I got to see people that I hadn't seen, oh, for like over 20 years. Amazing. Yeah. Some of the makeup and hair people that I remember. And Anna Wintour was there. And it's nice to see her again.

I mean, I see her occasionally out. and everything, but within the confines of the fashion element. It was really fun. Nice. Yeah. So let's go back in time. Let's go back in time. Do we need to do anything special?

Is there a music cue? No, we're low-fi. We're low-fi. We just go back in our minds. I like that. Just come with me as much as you can. There's your coffee. That's going to help.

This is going to help me go back in time. It's going to help fuel the memories, right? I can tell you that right now. I do think there was a lot of coffee going on on our sets because we were working all night. Working all night. Oh, my gosh. Working all the time, right? And it was mostly you and me.

Some people asked me, they say, hey, what was it like with all the girls and everything? And I was like, I don't know. I worked with Kristen and we did our thing. And then I would come out and I'd see, you know, have somebody else walking around. And John Corporate would be there and his pink slippers and fuzzy slippers and whatever bathroom he had on. Whatever cookie thing he had on. You're up. You know, that was kind of the way it was.

But you know what I did remember, too. And I mean, I want to talk about when you first came. But what I did remember, because I was watching last night, right? Because you were coming. Right. And I do my best to be really disciplined about the rewatch. Because I haven't rewatched these things in 30 years, right? Yeah.

So I try to rewatch right before I'm going to come, talk to whoever it is. But with us, we had so many episodes, and it's a whole big, big storyline. And I just fell down the rabbit hole, and I was just watching and watching and watching. And then I was like, I've got to go to sleep. I've got to go to sleep. But it's so good. Yeah. It's really held up.

Like, have you rewatched it? I haven't rewatched it. But I remember. of being good at the time, I thought one of the strengths, in particularly our stuff, was, you know, let's say the conceit of what was happening was funny and embarrassing.

I'll be honest. But at the same time, they gave us a chance to deal with it in a fairly educational and understanding. I think so, too. Non-judgy. Non-judgey, right? Yeah, exactly. And, you know, the mind of the humor of it. But it was

it was definitely something that was it had I think it had a deeper there was a deeper thing going on there which I really which I really appreciate definitely did they tell you when you came because this is what I remember I remember that I knew this was going to happen right that this storyline was coming we didn't know it would be you of course and the original plan that I I think I mean I knew that Charlotte was going to you know be hell bent on getting married which made sense for her blah blah blah and I would you know had my books and my different things you know, and I remember that being very challenging for me because I don't really subscribe to that or whatever, but I know there are people who do. Exactly. I had do my research and get the books ready. And then I knew that you were going to come, you, whoever you would be, Trey, and that

she would get what she wanted, but then it wouldn't work out. And I didn't know why, right? And then, and I didn't know who it would be. And at that point, we had just started to get the significant guys, like Eigenberg was there. You know, we already had Chris, of course, from the beginning, but then Corbett had come and, you know, Sarah Jessica was involved and I think Cynthia was involved in Eigenberg and so I thought I might get to be involved. Then Michael Patrick went to a picnic one weekend

and met you. Do you remember this? I don't remember him at a picnic. You were at some picnic. I don't know. He comes to work Monday morning and he's like, I've got your guy. And I was like, wait, wait, I don't get to meet him. I said, who is he?

He said, Cal McLaughlin. I was like, oh, okay. No complaints. No complaints. I'm very excited. That was how it happened. I said, well, what happened? And he said, I went to this picnic, and he was there,

and I just couldn't stop thinking about how perfect he'd be, and he was so charming. Oh, that's nice. Do you not remember this? MPK, no, no, no, I don't remember the picnic, but I do remember the meeting that I had with he and Jenny Vicks. Oh, got it. So you did have an official meeting?

We did, yeah, we did. Okay, and what did they say to you? Well, the things that stand out or stood out to me, and again, this is a long time ago, So, I think it had been presented to me, like, come, you know, join Casas Sex and the City. He's a little bit of a descriptor. Like, he's from the Upper East Side. You know, he has kind of a strong mother.

He is a heart surgeon. You know, he speaks to athletic, you know. And at that point in my career, I was like, this is perfect. I said, because I've been playing Agent Dale Cooper. And I've been playing, you know, somewhat. eccentric sort of oddball characters. Right. Not romantic characters. Not really romantic characters. And I said, this is a great opportunity to finally, you know, tap into that because I've been kind of pigeonholed.

And so I was really excited at the meeting. And I came and I think it was at the region, the regency, I think. Oh, wow. I think it was on the hotel. Yeah, we went up town. Wow. Okay. And we sat down and we had, you know, get coffee and stuff. And they were talking about the show and pleasantries, you know, and Jenny was there. And then so they sort of go into the thing and I'm kind of excited. I'm talking about, you know, I think he's a guy spends time in Central Park, you know, he's probably, you know, he'll be some surgery stuff, you know, and I was like, all this kind of stuff going on. And they were like, yeah, yeah, yeah, fine. And they said, but the two things. He said, one, he's got, um, kind of an unusual relationship

with his mother. She's got a domineering. So he got a very close, and, and he's impotent. And I was like, and I was like, he's impotent. I was like, and I'm there like this, and I'm smiling, and I'm like, you know, just when you think you're going to get out, They pull you back in. And I was like, oh, mother, F. But I'm glad they told you, though. Yeah, they told me.

Yeah, they told me. And I was like, you know, listen, it's a talented cast, talented writers. The show was incredibly popular. And I was like, I'm in, you know, what am we going to do? Thank God. Thank God you're in. Thank God you're in. And then do you remember, and I don't know exactly the specifics,

but I think, I feel like at some, point two things changed once you came one was that I think originally you were only supposed to be like it was a short arc right it was supposed to happen three episodes or six I don't know what it was fall apart right like quick yeah but then we were like no no we can't part with him yeah that was nice yeah it extended you know and I was so happy um good choice of word it extended um sorry I'm very sorry it's okay it's all right it's free here Say what you want. It's an R-rated podcast.

It's all good. It could be whatever. It's the visual. But I was so happy because I was really enjoying my time and working with you. Absolutely. Absolutely. And the writing was exceptional. So good.

And it was funny. That was the thing. I mean, we treated it. Trey treated it. You know, he sort of like stiff upper lip. Sorry, that's another one. Oh. But he kept, you know, he kept his sense of humor about it.

Absolutely. You know, frustrated. But, and then. there I mentioned Francis Sturnehagen and what a wonderful, wonderful person and actress. And so, and I thought that relationship

was also very funny and fraught with all sorts of, you know, just like, oh boy, this guy's in trouble. Yeah. It was an instant character. It was complicated, complex character. Yeah.

I mean, but that's also why, like, in a way, like in a way, you bring something, you know, all of us actors have something that we bring, right? And for you, what I think you bring and why you had somewhat gotten, you know, somewhat pigeonholed by Cooper because he was so amazing, right? Yeah.

Because your relationship with Lynch was, I mean, everything was just worked so beautifully. And I mean, I watched every episode, you know, it was a diehard, which I think when you came, I had to like, you know, like, don't fan girl, don't fan girl. You know, because it's like embarrassing in a way because I've got to work with you and you've got to betray and blah, blah, blah. But in my mind, I'm like, ah! Anyway, I mean, but I think you bring an intelligence, you bring a bit of a sweetness, which is kind of unexpected in someone so handsome, and then you do bring an eccentricity.

And when you mix those things, it's a very unique mix. And I feel like that works so beautifully with Trey. Well, I think you're also talking about your character. Thank you. And you. Because that mix of things is very, very there, right at the surface. And you have an extra thing, which I think is kind of wonderful, which I don't know if we ever spoke about this, but I feel like I said with, with.

With Kristen, I said, I don't know if she realizes she's funny. I think she knows she's funny. If she's inadvertently funny, it's one of the great comedic qualities that you could possibly have. Because I think there are a number of people throughout the history of film and television that you don't know kind of what's going on. Yeah, yeah. But it's funny. I do. Thank you.

I mean, I think that, this is what I think about that in life, previous to, like, success, right? When you're just trying to act, you know, which I've been trying to do my whole life. It was the kind of situation where, you know, with guys, like if I was dating somebody, we got in a fight, they would laugh. And I would be so mad. But like my comedic, because my feelings are so big, right? Yeah. Like, I'd get very super animated. And then they would laugh at me and I'd be like, stop laughing.

I am serious. Yes, but you know they're laughing at me, right? And so, like, at a certain point, you go like, hmm, well, that is interesting. It does hurt my feelings in the moment. But once we started the show, Jenny Bix, when she came on, she said to me, I didn't know if you were funny or not. I thought, well, she's really pretty and she's really nice and talented, but I don't know if she's funny. And then they wrote a scene in one of her first episodes where I contemplated having a threesome. And then it really is just the other two want to make out, do what I mean?

And they kind of push me off the bed. And you're kind of like... Yeah, I'm like, oh no, you know, like very Charlotte moment. Like she's trying something that's uncomfortable and it doesn't go right. And I kind of fall slowly off the bed, but I'm also trying to keep my skirt from writing up, which was really me, you know, right? Kristen, as an actress as well. What a great choice. And then she thought, oh, thank God, she's funny.

Oh, she recognized. Right? And then they, because they knew me, and I think because Charlotte had such an earnestness, which played to my strengths. Yes, right? So that I could, I always knew as Charlotte that the way to make Charlotte funny was to really have deep feelings, to really invest. Yeah. Which I think is something that I think some young actors sometimes don't understand, like they want to play it cool. Right.

But cool is not really funny. Right. You know? Right. I think that following the truth, which I think is what you're saying, in terms of what's happening in the emotion is, and really believing. and then kind of it's like you turn the dial up one more tick.

Totally, yes. So it's not extreme, but it's enough to just people go, oh my God, that's hilarious. Absolutely. Yeah, and I think you have that. Thank you, thank you, that little extra. I appreciate that.

To do that. I've always admired that. And I think we had it together so well, like we were so well. It was super dry, right? Yeah. Well, you were super dry. I'm not super dry.

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I got judged horribly. The judges were like, you're trash. I don't know how you got on the show. Boo, somebody had tomatoes. Now, I'm kidding. But if they had tomatoes, they would have thrown the tomatoes. Let's be honest. We've all had those moments we'd rather forget.

We bumped our head. We made a mistake. The deal fell through. We're embarrassed. We failed. but this podcast is about that and how we made it through. So when they sat me down,

they were kind of like, we got into the small talk and they were just like, so what do you got? What ideas? And I was like, oh, no. What? Check out Not My Best Moment with me,

Kevin on stage on the Iheart radio app, Apple podcast, YouTube, or wherever you get your podcast. When I watch us, I'm just kind of amazed. Like I don't know, and I've had it. amazing co-stars. Obviously, Evan's amazing, you know, who came later. Such a great actor. But, like, the ease, I don't feel, like, I have a different thing with him. And obviously,

it's been forever that we've worked together where, like, you kind of just know what each other's going to do in that way. And I didn't really feel that way with you. Like, I wasn't quite sure what you were going to do in an exciting way, right? Oh, cool. Like, in a way where you're, like, there, you know? And I also think because the relationship was written so unusual. Usually. Yeah. Like that, it's not something that we've really seen before or since. Yeah.

Right? And I think that's partly why, and I'm just going to leap in here because it's on my mind, partly why you didn't want to come on and just like that and wrap it up. Well, it was partly that, yeah, because I feel when they came and presented an idea, and I was like, I get, I see it. It's so kind of a one joke idea. Right. And I was like, and I really felt, you know, I felt like we had invested so much in

this relationship and and I think culminating in that moment when I actually return and we do the photo because it's important to you so sweet yeah and I felt like you know there's there's more here than that and that and I was just like and I felt I felt like because it would have been fun to come back I mean what we just really wanted you back yeah I know I know I was and I was and I was like this would have been great yeah but I just felt like and and so I kind of you know said, you know, I'd love to hear an idea, not to insinuate myself into the show, but let's have a couple of episodes or something that has a little... Something. I agree. A beginning, middle, and an end, not just like putting a...

Correct. ...finished. Like, this is what it is. Yeah. Caput. Yeah. I agree. I agree. When I saw you at the party, I'm glad that I saw you at the party because I was so sad that she didn't come back. I was like, oh, what? What do you mean? He said, no. Like, I was like, what? And of course, I didn't hear anymore, right? I just heard that you said, Yeah, you don't get the backstory often about the rationale. I saw you because it didn't make sense.

And I also feel like people, like, because I wasn't ever rewatching, right? Because I felt like, well, I'm just going to live in the past if I just watch the show all the time, right? So now I have a job where I get to rewatch the show, which is fun. And it's also fun because people talk to me about it all the time and people talk about us in a very interesting way. Which is not that they don't love Harry, they do. And I think that people feel like that was the right thing for Charlotte. But I think there's also like whenever anything comes up, up and I put it on social media.

I can't remember what I put on. I must have been a podcast-related thing, but people start in the comments like, you know, you shouldn't have given up on Trey or, you know, whatever. And then other people are like, of course she shouldn't give it up on Trey. When Trey brings in the cardboard baby,

I mean, it's a problem, right? The cardboard baby is a problem. Because then I think I put, like, I can't really remember, and I still can't remember every detail because there was kind of a lot. Yeah, there was a lot going on there. I don't, it was kind of a blur of the end.

And then we, you know, we went through kind of the difficulties. And then there was, then there was the too much, you know what I mean? Which people forget about that. And then, and then it sort of ended. And I think in some ways, and I don't, I've never asked anyone. And I said, I feel like they had to end it somehow, right? And they didn't know how to end it. Well, because I think everything had gone off the track of the plan when you showed up.

Because the plan also, and I don't know if you knew this, remember the boat that we go on this boat with CERC? Jessica and Chris. Yeah. I had forgotten that scene until I watched it. And then I remembered that the original idea was that you were going to be like a dud.

Ah. And that everyone was going to be born. In general. In general. The short version of Trey was that Trey wasn't interesting. That Trey looked perfect. Right.

And the scenario was perfect. You don't I mean? Like the upry side and the surgeon. Oh, I could never play that. Exactly, right. So you came, thus the plan changed, right? And obviously, I mean, I'm in that scene and you're telling the story of us meeting. And Carrie's like, I had already heard this story three times, you know, on the voiceover, right?

And you're telling it, and I'm just laughing. I just think it's the best thing. But the original idea was that you, it would be like that couple that's super boring together. Right. And that everyone is like, oh, God, who's going to go talk to the new husband. Yeah, and tell him. Right? Yeah, nobody wants to.

No one wants to be stuck in the corner with the husband who's going to, like, yak your ear off about some boring something, right? But then you were you. Right. And so it didn't really work. Okay. Right? I mean, it kind of worked like that we were an annoying new couple. Yes.

You know what I mean? Yeah. Most new couples are pretty annoying. Right. And I'm just giggling at everything you say. Yeah. And I'm just like, yes. And then, you know, like just a little over the top.

And she's like, oh, God, right. But we couldn't, that didn't last. Yeah. But that had been the original idea. Oh, I didn't know. I didn't know. See? Interesting. Well, it was, I think it just had to go out the window when you showed up and they had to shift.

Yeah. And then they had to figure out what to do. And then they had to figure out kind of how to end it. Yeah, which I still, to this day, because I said, what's, why would I bring her a cardboard baby? I was literally, I was like, this doesn't track for me at all. But I said, I understand it from the outside, like, oh, yeah, he's like so off track or whatever that he thinks. that this is acceptable, and I said, well, do I play it that I'm clueless? And I said, I'm not clueless. Or do I play it that I'm deliberately trying to end it and being so

kind of cruel? Do I play that? Do they say yes? No. This is me thinking to myself, how am I going to make this work? Yeah, what did you do? So I finally just kind of didn't make any choice at all. I just kind of just said, Cardboard Baby. And I just said, well, it's going to be, I don't know what it's going to be. It's going to be so outrageous. I said, people are going to have any number of reactions to it. Because I didn't really know where to place it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You know what I thought. What I thought, because in general, and I didn't get that far last night because I was like, I will be up all night watching the show. Okay, that's all the way to the end. That would have been amazing. Right, I know.

It would have been amazing, but I would be very, very tired right now and probably not making full sentences. And I always thought I could always have you back to. And I know that you would make that work as well. I was like, he's not that far away. I could maybe make him come back. That's what I thought.

But I, I think that what, I think that the idea, at least from my understanding, and I also think about this in retrospect, like, I wasn't, I was, I can't remember how old I was at this point, like mid-30s. All of my friends hadn't started doing the fertility stuff yet. Later on, they all did, right? Yeah. And I thought, oh, shit. I do not know if I played this, like, right. Oh, interesting.

Because you remember, like, I'm trying and I want to try, and you're like, I'm tired. I don't want to try anymore. I want to play golf. That's what I remember as being the end. Do you mean? I don't remember that at all, but that's very funny. I mean, it was painful. Yeah, that's pretty harsh.

It's harsh. That's enough to end it right there. We don't need a cardboard baby. Exactly. The carpboard baby I felt like was like a, I felt like Trey was trying to be funny, like in a weird way. Like I'm just going to try to make light of this because I don't know what else to do. Do you do what I mean?

Yeah. Because at that point, we were not on the same. actually. And we were not on the same track and you were just like, I'm going to hope that I can make this joke and that we can get on with it and just live a happy life. That's kind of what you wanted. And I mean, I have known couples where the woman is just so like, you know, the baby thing can be all consuming, right? Like fully all consuming almost to the detriment of the relationship, you know? The pursuit of trying to get, like it's in your bones or whatever that you have to continue. Do you mean? Even though it's hell, right? Like hell on. earth. I mean, we probably all have friends who have gone through this. Yes. I certainly have. And the guy is just like miserable and so miserable for the woman. Do you know what I mean? But there's nothing you can really do, right? Like once you've gone to the science, you know what I mean. And I feel like that's kind of what they wrote. But I think also, because I have talked to our women writers.

And I've said like, I don't know if I really, like I might have needed to be even more crazy than I was. Just because of all the hormones and everything going on. Yes. How deep it can go. You know what I mean? And they were like, no, no, no, you did great. Because I also think part of them, they didn't want us to really go. Right.

Do you know what I'm saying? Like into a drama, like a hardcore drama of baby making with science. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, no, that's the tone of, you know, following the tone of the show, which is really important. Right.

That it's, you know, that there's humor and fun and there's like a little bit of a sadness here or bittersweet and then, you know, pop back into the humor. Right, right, right. It doesn't dwell in that area. Right. And I think also dwelling in the IVF area, It's just like, it's like a whole other show.

Yeah, and how do you treat that with some humor? Because it's really not. It's pretty serious. No, it's pretty serious and hard. Right. I think that the idea was that Charlotte's down that road and fully, fully committed. And you're just like, I can't. You know, I just can't. That's what I thought it was. And that's just so disappointing for her.

Well, it's also hard for me, just as a person, because I've always, I always feel myself as, I'm very supportive. Right. But this would not have been that. I would not have been playing that side. Well, because then it would have probably worked out. You know what I mean? If I'd been there for you, yeah, and then we'd still be on the show. They'd still going.

Well, then you went on, you left us, you went on to do the housewives. Yes, I entered another world. You did. And you stayed there a long time. Well, here's the story on that. I was brought in the first season to be the kind of the, every season, there's a one, you know, person that's the killer, the murder or whatever, you know. Yeah. And so they brought me in.

Mark Cherry, the creator, was saying, you know, here's kind of here's the arc and, you know, you're going to end up, you know, obviously being the killer at the end, right? No way. Yeah. And I was like, okay. And I got in and I started working on where we were a couple episodes in, two or three episodes, four episodes. You know, you can tell pretty early on how it's going, you know, whether you feel great, comfortable and this is wonderful. Yeah. Or it's kind of like, I really, I want to get out of here, you know.

Of course. Yeah. And I was like, I went to Mark. I said early on. And I said, hey, man, I just, I'm having such a great time here. I love working with Marcia. I love everything. I love the fact that it is 10 minutes from my house.

Yeah. I didn't say that, but it was like super convenient. I was just like, you know, any chance that maybe talk to the writers or consider maybe keeping me around for a little bit longer. I didn't specify, I just asked. You know, I said, what's the harm? Right. And he sort of looked at me and he said, let me, let me, let me, let me go talk to everybody and see what they think. And he came back not long and said, we've got an idea.

And they brought in Dixie Carter. She was my mom. Wow. Another one of those. Interesting. And she was actually the master of my mom. And so she became the villain. Smart.

Yeah. And I was like, that's so clever because it added another layer. Very clever. So I know I could be, potentially I was going to be the killer. But then it sort of fell to her. So it actually worked out. Interesting. And that was this, what was I on?

Was I on the second season or third season? in second season, I think it's second season. I have no idea. And then I went, I went for another like six years. I know. When I looked at the dates, I was like, how, how is that possible? Well, they ultimately ran out of stuff for me too. It was one of those things.

You know, the storylines revolved around the women, of course. And so that was the most important. And the men would sort of feed into the stories. Right. But they couldn't, at a certain point in time, they were like, Jesus, what are we getting out of this guy? You know, he's like stealing things, and he's running around doing, you know,

they have you do crazy things. It's one of the scary things about television about getting a script week to week. And I don't know if you have this experience as well, but. On Melrose Place, I totally had this experience. You're like, okay, next script, it arrives and you see it on your desk and you look at it. You're like, oh, boy, okay. And you open that first page. And as you kind of look at it like this, because you don't know what they're going to ask you to do.

Totally. Are you going to be naked or are you going to be clothes? Are you going to have to have an emotional breakdown? Totally. On page 17. Yes. You know, what are they going to have you do? Yes.

And I was always, a lot of trepidation, you know. I get it. Melrose, that's how it was for me big time because Darren brought me in and then Darren left. And once Darren left, he thought that my character was a little bit funny. But then he left and they were like, we're just going to make her really mean and the villain and then crazy. And then, I mean, I was just like, oh, my Jesus God. And then they were like, now you're going to die. And I was like, okay.

I mean, I was upset because I was young. But I was like, yeah, I see. I see that. you don't know what to do with me. I mean, it's a double-edged sort of way because you have a job, we're so grateful, we're working. I mean, it's fantastic.

But at the same time, you're like, we have no control over where the character is going to go. And you have to make it work. And sometimes it just doesn't make sense. You're just like a... A.k.a. cardboard baby. Totally. That's funny that you felt that because I didn't know that you felt that.

Yeah, I was just trying to wrestle with it. Ultimately, the choice that you said, which is he's trying to make fun of something, but I said, is he that? I was just, I was rankling at the cluelessness of it. I get it. But at the same time, I recognize, hey, they need the end to somehow, why not we'll go out with this? Because it's so, it's so unfeeling.

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There's a lot of things where I have, like, crystal, crystal clear memory. Like, I remember reading you, meeting you at the read-through. Right. Do you remember meeting me at the read-through? No. Interesting. But I remember rescuing you that first scene in the taxi cab. Yes.

That scene. Where it's fall down in the street. Yeah, it was really a lovely scene. It's so good. Yeah. It really holds up. It's so exciting. Yeah, I like that.

The way we shot and everything about it looked. It looked really, it looked like a film kind of. It looked so much like a film, and I think it was Alison Anders directed. Can anyone check? Wow. Right? That's good. I know.

But also, do you remember Charles McDougall who directed the Tiffany's? Yeah. And he's so brilliant. And one of the things that I love to look at when I look back at the show is the kind of evolution of the visuals. Because we really started out quite simply. You know, because remember we used to have people talking to camera. Right. We'd break the fourth wall.

Right. It was very kind of like a reportage, you know, like on the streets, you know, very unassuming in terms of like the shots, you know, just straightforward. And then it gets better and better and better. We start getting the Sopranos directors coming in and her dollying through the rooms, you know. Then we get Allison, is it, was it Allison? Is it Allison Anders? Do you remember her? Yeah.

She'd be like, baby. Good job. Yeah. Let's just do it again. She was like so warm and like mama and comfortable. But also she was like very indie film maker. So she had a bit of a edge in her the way she filmed things, which is what I liked about because I'm with that husband of my friend

because I've gone to the married people. I've basically said in that episode, which we could talk about when we get to it. But I've said to the girls at the table like without apology, I've been like I'm not going to be seeing you guys as much because I have to go hang out with my married friends. which is so rude, do you know, I'm like, Charlotte, gosh. And they're like, oh, okay. They're like, wait, how does that help you find a husband?

And I said, because they know people. The husband's no nice guys. And you have to meet the husband's friends. Yeah. So then I go to the friend of my husband who you've, you've never seen these people before, right? Like now with social media, the way they dissected and just like that's sometimes when I'm looking at Sex and City. I'm like, see, they would complain about that. Oh, people know everything.

My God. Yeah. Yeah, it's two for Twin Peaks, too, for Twin Peaks. And I'm like, I don't even remember doing that. You know, and they're like, oh, you did this, this, this. And I'm like, oh, my God. I know, but I mean, like, it's kind of impossible in a way to withstand the, you know, anyway. Like, when I look back, like, oh, so Miranda has a cat.

And previously, she's never had a cat. And then Steve gets a dog. And then Miranda has a cat and Steve has a dog. And they, they, they, there's no mention. It's really odd. Do you mean that the cat's going to be important because she's going to have the I'm going to die alone and the cast is going to eat my face storyline. So I can see that they're prepping the next storyline.

But like nowadays, if you did that, the internet would be up in arms like, Miranda never had a cat. Where did that cat come from? That doesn't make sense. You know what I mean? But back then, we just did it. Yeah. Every week, we just did our stuff.

We didn't worry about it. No. That was the beauty of it. And I think, you know, going back to speak about the directors and how each one was different and brings a different sensibility and a different energy on set. Yeah. And a different, really a different style. Yes.

Which was, and the show was strong enough to handle all these different interpretations. So true, yeah, yeah. Completely interpretations. No, but they kind of were. You know, the way the camera was used. And it's such a fun thing. I remember on Twin Peaks, the same thing, that they would bring in to guest directors. And they always had a different, you know, kind of a different take on things, a different rhythm, different energy.

And it was always interesting. I remember Uliadale came in and directed. Oh, amazing. At that time. And I initially was sort of rankling at him. And then I sort of settled in and relaxed. And he said, oh, no. He's actually, because there's always that moment,

that first day where you're like, you know, the trust. Not sure, totally, yeah, yeah, yeah. Am I going to let you sort of in here, or am I going to, like, do my own thing? And also, I think as actors, you have to have the ability to do that. Yeah, to express yourself and say what you need and what's feeling and that this is important to you, you know. Right, and cut to when we do the Tiffany's,

when, so we go, I had forgotten about the whole dinner. You know, I go to have tea with you and Bunny and Franny is just so unbelievably great. just so great and she keeps putting her hand on you and trying to basically tell you that you don't know what you're doing or whatever and you need to do what she's saying and then you go all righty

and I see I clock this whole thing so then we go out to dinner and I've been telling the girls like oh he's gonna propose I can tell I can feel it this is the one this is it and I do believe that Charlotte 100% means that like it's not just her wanting to get married like you are it you're what I'm saying

like there's no there's no like I'm making this happen, it really happened for her. You know what I'm saying? And I feel like that's that moment when you pick me up off the street. You know, and that's why they did it so beautifully. Yeah. So we're there with Frannie, right? And I'm like, hmm, she gets them to do what she wants.

That's so interesting. And then we're at dinner, whatever, I can't remember, close or some restaurant. And you don't like your salad. I remember, yes, yes, yes. And I put my, I try it. I'm like, I'm going to try it. And I put my hand on you. And I say, you know, maybe you should try.

you know, the tomato and mozzarella or whatever. Yes. And you're like, all righty. And I'm like, oh my God, it works.

And I think there's some voiceover maybe. And then I just barrel right in there and I say, I think we should get married. And without a doubt, you're just like, all righty. And you look away.

And then I'm like, oh, and then I go to Carrie. Right. And I kind of, I don't, I didn't love my performance in this scene. I remember being stressed about it at the time.

And I can't remember if it was Alice. or if it's McDougal, I think it might be Allison. I don't know that she is. The thing with Charlotte that I think was hard is that her stakes are so high for everything that you don't know how to modulate the scene sometimes. And I know sometimes, even with just like that, like I would read it on the page

and I would think like, you know, this is like a regular group scene where Charlotte's just asking some questions. And then I'd get there, and Michael Patrick would be like, yell at her. And I'd be like, what? okay okay wasn't prepared for that yeah yeah i'm like oh i didn't understand he said you are the voice of reason in this scene and she's being insane she's blowing up her marriage you've got to yell at her

yeah i was like oh shit i've got to yell at miranda oh my god um but i would and he would be right right but like sometimes it's hard to know like because she's so committed yeah to all the things that she believes you know and love it all seems that one right you don't know which is up yeah Like 100%, which is 150%, which is 50%, right? So that scene with Carrie, when I go, and I'm, like, all shocked. I'm like playing shock, which is also kind of hard for a whole scene, right? And I've got my eyes are all, like, super big. And I'm like, I propose to myself, you know, like that, right?

And she's like, oh, baby. You know, she's very motherly, which is sweet. And then, like, there was no ring, and he didn't get down on his knees or anything. Right. And what did I do? You know, because I think I've ruined, like, my one and only... The moment. Moment, right?

Which I kind of did because I'm so, like, hell-bent on this happening. But then the payoff comes the next episode, which is when McDougal directed. And I don't know if you remember, he would put the camera like blocks away. Right. We're on Fifth Avenue. Yes, I remember. And we don't even know if we're in. Yeah.

And it's real people. People are walking by, and we're there trying to do a little scene. Totally. And he's like, just walk. It'll be fine. He's British. I didn't do his accent well. But he's like, just walk.

It'll be good. And we're like, I'm like, oh, but I need to. know my mark and you were cool as a cucumber having been through you know been in all the films you've been in everything I was just pretending that was all but you but you well you were pretending very well but it was really so great because we walked down and I've got the little bow and I've got kind of the Audrey Hepburn as care do and we walk down to the corner of Tiffany's and somehow you just sense that I'm upset I'm like pouting and then we get to the window and it's so beautifully framed they go inside and they frame us in the window and you say you know

how about we go in there and get you the best engagement ring there is And I'm like, ah, he is perfect. It was really fun. It was so good. And also I'm just remembering shooting in New York, shooting in the streets of New York. Yeah. It's really, it was special. I've never done that before.

I've been there for, we'd done the doors and we'd come to New York for that. But that was interior and we weren't really in the city. But sex in the city really, really used the city and really showed the city so well. I agree. I agree. So well, especially in the olden days, because we had not enough time. So we would like take the lights and like roll them down the street. Do you remember this?

It was like kind of guerrilla-ish film making. But then by the time Charles came, because Charles would do like, we also shot in Bergdorf with the china. And we had to flip the china and he had a crane in Bergdorf. And we had like 36 takes of the crane shot to flip the china, which was insane. And like at a certain point the HBO guy would come and like glare at us. Like you guys are over budget. Yeah, Charles was definitely OCD.

It was one of those. It's just like, it's got to be perfect. And we're like, I, it's pretty close. Right. Right. But he was just so talented. Yeah. I was always like, do whatever the man says.

Yeah. It's great. I really liked him. God, so did I. He was, he handled us. He was unusual, but so cool. So cool. So, so cool.

Oh, he wore a suit. And he always wore a suit. When he directed. He looked very posh. Yep. Very posh. We were lucky to have him. All right.

Kyle, you're too much fun. And we're going to have to keep talking. Oh, good. Can we come back and do part two? Oh, It would be my pleasure. Fantastic. I was hoping good ask.

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