Are You A Charlotte? - And Just Like That…it happened to her.

Episode Date: July 2, 2026

In this special episode, we’re allowing for a time jump, as Kristin sits down with Kelly Rizzo as she shares the heartbreaking reality when life imitates art.The night before her beloved husband Bob Saget passed away, she found herself at home watching the premiere episode of And Just Like That.Although she didn’t know it then, the following morning she would learn the similarities between her own life and that of Carrie Bradshaw.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hi, I'm Kristen Davis, and I want to know, are you a Charlotte? Well, this is a special, special, interesting different episode that we're going to do of our year, Charlotte with Kelly Rizzo. Kelly, was married to Bob Sagitt, who I knew not really well, right?

So we've never met, but I know that you have a very, very interesting story about, unfortunately, Bob's horribly untimely passing. And I just want to say, yes, I did know Bob.

I knew Bob for two reasons. I need to hear about this. I'm so excited. One is Stamos, who I did a play, with. And, you know, Bob was such a huge part of his life that, like, you know, you would just, like, he'd be on the phone with him. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So there was this Stamos connection. And then, and I'd known John, I known John before we did the play. The play,

I want to say it was like 2012, maybe, like a while ago. And then also stand up for pits, which is Rebecca Corey's foundation for Pitbull. Oh my gosh, yes. Yes. And Bob would often come and do comedy for free, for the benefit, so sweetly and so funny. And he'd be on the red carpet and cracking jokes. And, you know, he just had such a beautiful way about him. And, you know, he was so different than his, you know, full house character. Isn't that crazy? Yes.

People were very surprised to find out about the real box. Exactly. Exactly. But I think the thing that was similar about, and I didn't really watch a lot of full house, So I was always so surprised by how people would react to John as well. He had, I think, energetically similarities, you know, which is true, I think, for a lot of actors, right? Like, the character is very different, but energetically very similar. Like, even if he was telling the most X-rated joke, you know, he's so joyful about it.

Did it while he was very lovable and cuddly. Yes. And he still loved hugging people, you know, just like Danny Tanner. Yes, yes, yes. Well put. So he was just a force and it was just so, so sad. And I felt for you so much when he. Thank you.

I mean, it's just so shocking. You know, you just don't feel like that can happen. Yeah, it was. It's still. And I can go right back to that moment in an instant of just how shocking it was. And that's why I was so excited to be able to chat with you about this because I had such a special, intrinsic, unique moment of my life that tied in with. And just like that. I mean, sex in the city, of course.

By the way, you had an episode recently where you were talking to your guest and they're like, I've seen the whole series through like five times. And I was like, five times. That's amateur numbers. I know. That's what everyone said on Instagram too. I was like, oh, dear. I know.

I know. It was so funny. But, yeah, so, you know, obviously that was such a big part of my life. But to then have it tie in so interestingly. to and just like that. I was like, we've got to talk about this because it was so unbelievable just how it happened. And it was a really strange life imitating art type situation that actually happened to me. Right. Right. Which is, you know, it's like I think I'm not, I've been told that I sound like a victim about and just like that. So I'm not going to do that. But I do want to say one of the

things about and just like that that we wanted to do and I do think we did is to talk about the things that start to happen to you when you are lucky enough to live past 50. Yeah. And, you know, people maybe didn't want to see that. I don't know, but I do think it's really real. And I think for many people that I see and meet and run into, you know, they have some connection. They want to tell me, you know, this happened to me and that happened to me. And, you know, I think it's important to tell those stories. It's so important. And that's why, you know, I'd never really thought about grief before or death until I lost Bob. And then it kind of became almost all I was talking about.

And then you realize when it's something that becomes so normalized to you, it's still not normalized to other people. And talking about grief and death was still and has been still very kind of taboo. Which is so sad. Right. Which, because it happens to everybody. It does. Like, we're all going to experience it in one way or another.

And it just became so normalized for me. And so it is interesting then, because I just two days ago, went back and rewatched those episodes because I hadn't seen them since the day before. Not even the day before, hours before Bob died. Oh, my God. Okay, so let's tell our dear listeners this story

because it's so crazy to me. It is really crazy. Kelly was a fan. That's how it starts. You know, obviously had, grown up on sex in the city since I was in college and had seen it so many times and it was such a big part of my life and loved it, loved it, loved it. And then I had just started watching and just like that because it was, you know, season one, episode one. And I think I'd been putting it off because

I'm like, okay, I want to really dig in when I can give it some proper attention. And Bob was out town doing, he was on tour, he was in Florida, and he had done one show the night before, and then he was doing a show that night. And this was now January 8th, 2022. And I was lying in bed with COVID. And I felt awful. I had the worst sore throat. I was just miserable and I'm constantly texting Bob, like, I don't understand. Like, I should be getting better by now. And he's, like, giving me all these instructions of, you know, what meds to take and, you know, what to do. And a lot of it, I'm like, yeah, okay, I'm an adult. I know I should take Advil or whatever. But, you know, so we're going back and forth. And he's like, why don't you just

watch something that makes you happy tonight and makes you feel comfortable? And just, he's like, I'll be home tomorrow. Just, you know, watch a comfort show. And I was like, well, that's usually sex in the city. I was like, no, no, wait. I have. And just like, that's out now. Oh, no. So I told him, I was like, I'm going to watch this. And he's like, great. That's perfect. Take some meds. relax, watch that in bed. So that's what I did. I watched the first episode and, sorry, spoiler alert, Big Dyes, right? And I remember feeling so devastated for Carrie, because, you know, this character,

like he's been in everyone's life for 25 years. And I'm like, oh, like, that's awful. And I had already started comparing Bob to Big and certain ways in the good ways. You know, they're both very tall, dark, handsome, love cigars, you know, this kind of cooler, cooler than life persona, just very smooth and suave. And so, you know, Bob was kind of like my Mr. Big in a sense. And so I'm watching this and I remember thinking like, oh, my husband's a little older. And it just kind of hit me. I was like, oh, that would just feel so awful.

And I remember just feeling gutted like for her, but also putting myself in that position. Like what would that be like? And I remember just like crying and being so sad and you're like, well, this probably isn't good for my sore throat, but whatever. I'm into it now. Totally.

And then I start watching the second episode where it's the funeral and what she's experiencing. And I got to tell you, when I just rewatched it and I saw, It was Michael Patrick King who wrote that. I'm like, how much this man must have known about grief or what that process is like? Because he nailed it so perfectly. That's nice to hear.

Thank you. I mean, it was just the feeling and how you have to have your friends sleep in bed with you. And just, you know, it was just on point. Thank you. Anyway, so I'm watching that second episode and just being like, that would just be so awful. like, oh, how sad to have your husband pass away. Yeah. And but thinking so vividly remembering being like, oh, thank God that's not me.

Thank God it's not me. At least that's not me. But one day when that happens to me, now I have some sort of frame of reference of, you know, what that might be like. And then going to sleep that night, feeling so heartbroken for these characters that you're seeing on TV that, you know, I've loved for so long. and then being like, oh, but that's not me. My husband is safe and in his hotel room just finished this incredible show that he was so proud of and so happy with.

And then waking up the next morning and can't get a hold of him. And then obviously finding out that time-wise, he probably passed away a few hours after I actually watched that and had those thoughts. So, so sad. It's just so crazy. But it didn't really dawn on me until then I went back, even maybe a couple months later. Because obviously I don't watch TV for a long time after that. And I was like, I think I want to go back and watch more of that and watch the several episodes after that of and just like that. And then it all came back to me.

I was like, oh, my God. That's what happened. I watched that right before Bob passed. And then I started watching the episode, you know, with Charlotte and Carrie where they're going through the boxes and his stuff. And I was like, I had to do that. You know? And then I was like, this is my life now. It was just so surreal and just so weird.

My question is, I mean, it is, it's amazing to hear that, I mean, I'm horribly sorry that you had to go through this obviously. But then the fact that you were in it and you could, like you, that you've been watching it and you were. trying to empathize and thinking, I'm so lucky I'm not there. I mean, this is really why we do what we do, right? To try to have real, you know, and to empathize. Oh, it was real. Right. Unfortunately. Unfortunately.

Yeah. But to empathize is such a beautiful thing. You know, you're trying to think like, oh, that's so sad for her and how would I feel. And I'm so happy that my husband's safe, you know, but is anyone ever really safe? No. Right. No. Unfortunately, no.

But it's such an interesting thing to think about the connections that you can make through what we do, right? and that's why we do it, the connections. But then, you know, did you feel like it helped you later on to recognize things? Like, I did feel this. Or, you know, she, when I, because you talk about his closet as well as these things. Like, was there help in that connection? A thousand percent.

And that's interesting that you asked that because I hadn't really thought about that. like did seeing that portrayed whether, you know, it's a TV show or if it was a documentary. Right. It almost doesn't matter because you're still seeing real, you know, actual portrayals of somebody had gone through that at some point to even come up with that idea. For sure. So because when it happens to you and then all of a sudden, you know, you're a widow and, you know, in my case, I was 42 at the time. And I didn't really know other widows. Or if I did, I didn't know, like, dig deep into that world because it didn't apply to me yet.

Right. You know, so it's kind of on the periphery. It's very personal and internal in a lot of ways, which is not necessarily all that helpful, right? But it's really hard to be with someone in their grief. You can try, but it's hard to do it. Yeah. And, you know, until you've lost somebody, like I had never really lost anybody close to me and anyone who has, like then it's like you're in the club. Like you get it.

Yeah. And I didn't get it before. Got it. And so when I saw anybody, like when I met widows after that, I felt so not alone like, oh, my God, there's other people who get this because you feel so alone in this really weird world. But then rewatching it again being like, oh, my God, I literally felt all those things that Carrie was feeling. Like when she went into the closet and when I rewatch it, I realized that she was like,

hugging his suits. And I'm like, I did that. I remember like hugging Bob's suits and seeing them all lined up so perfectly just like Biggs were. And like, I remember like smelling them and being like, oh my God, like he's never coming home to this stuff. And it was just so such a bizarre feeling. But then seeing it, you know, on TV. I'm like, okay. Like I'm not crazy for feeling this. Or I'm not crazy for experiencing this. No, not at all. Not at all. Listen and you're there for heart-wrenching knockouts. The world's biggest stage! And breathtaking triumph.

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Listen, inside American soccer with Tom Bogart and Tabramos in the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcast. Grief is hard to even touch in terms of portrayal or, you know, any of it. it's such a very unique and everyone obviously has their own version of it, right? But especially like sudden loss like you experienced is just horrible. Like you have no preparation whatsoever. And that's the interesting part of this story for me is that there's no way. It's not as though he were sick. It's not as though you had had some kind of health warning or anything like that, right?

So in some ways, this was your only preparation in a weird way, meaning like time. in terms of the time and everything. And you really trying to empathize with Carrie, which is so sweet. Like that's the connection to that we have with our viewers that, you know, you guys are like, oh. I felt so bad for her. Right.

Like you feel that in a different way. It's got to suck for her. For sure. I don't need to worry about that, you know? Right. Right. You know, until five hours later. But what the show also did very interestingly was the use of humor as well.

And that's something I learned from Bob so much was that, you know, that's part of why he became a comedian because he had so much death in his life. He had so much death and, you know, darkness and comedy helped him. Yeah. And even since I knew him, there would be people, you know, friends of his that he was losing all the time. And he would call their wife or call their family and, like, make jokes to them.

Like, the day they died. I'm like, you can't do that. Right. You can't joke with somebody about death. And he's like, yeah, you can. And you should. Right. I mean, I guess in the right way.

I mean, if you're Bob and you're really funny, you should. Exactly. I was like he had a way about it. Yeah. But then I remember in some of those episodes, you know, like Miranda was trying to make a couple of jokes here and there. And sometimes they didn't land. And I was like, oh, like, that would have landed for me because I would have appreciated the joke. Yeah.

But some people don't, you know. No. No, no, it's very, very unique. And I think that's also what's so hard about portraying it or connecting to it is that each version's going to be different, right? Oh, I remember the story. And I don't remember. Did, do you know, did Bob know Roy London? He was a really great acting teacher we had.

Sounds so familiar. I feel like there was a connection, but I can't remember what it was exactly. But Roy used to tell the story about he would coach people for big films and, you know, like break down the script with them and talk about things to do. And one, and his thing was like, not to have any rules or parameters around how you responded in the moment and to have freedom on the set that you were going to do what you felt the character needed to do and not be shut down by the director or anything like that, right? And there was a scene.

I can't remember who it was, but it was some big movie star person in a film where someone died. And he wanted them to, I believe, stand up on a table or something, something odd, right? And the director was like, no, no, you can't do that. And he told the actor to say, well, this is what happened to me

when my dad died. This is what happened to me. This is what I did. And that that would... And it was true or wasn't true? Wasn't true. Oh, interesting. But it was because every version of grief

is its own thing. And you don't even understand when you're in it. Yeah. What you're feeling or saying or doing your... You don't know what I'm saying? You're in an alternate universe

that you didn't... expect to be in, especially in the situation with Bob where it's a sudden, bam, you know, like your life has changed dramatically from one hour to the next hour. And I think that's important to remember and sometimes really hard when you're trying to portray it on screen, right? Because you're trying to connect and you want it to seem real. Obviously, it's not real, right? We're acting. But I know that Sir Jessica and Michael Patrick really, really wanted to tell the story and have been talking about it for a long time. And it was a huge risk, obviously. I mean, there's people who are still upset with us about this.

You don't have saying that they did not want... That big died right away. Yeah. And just that he died in general. They just don't want their characters to die. I get it. I get it. But I did feel like it's just a very, very relatable thing that women go through.

It's real. People in general go through. He was a few years older. They were together a long time, but he had a heart attack and died. Like, what's more relatable than that? Either it happened to us or someone we know. I mean, I'm sure, you know, you know somebody who lost their husband suddenly to a heart attack or something. Like, it's so common that, and it's interesting to see then what the characters do with it.

But, like, as you mentioned, I would never have thought that I could have, if you would have told me a day before, by the way, you're going to lose your husband tomorrow. And I'm like, you're going to be making jokes the day he died. I'd been like, absolutely not. That's awful. And I remember I was at my house and a house, like there were a ton of comedians over at my house that day. And, you know, Jeff Ross is there like making jokes. And like I started, I actually like smiled. I mean, I'm devastated and sobbing 99% of the day, but then he'd say something funny.

And then I would laugh and then I would attempt to say something funny back. And that's just life. Like you can't plan it. No, you can't plan it. And also, those are Bob's friends, right? So they're going to have that similar sense of humor to him, and they're going to understand that that's what he would want them to do for you in that moment. Yeah.

And I think that's beautiful. I think that's beautiful. And I think people are complicated. And you can't put yourself in a box or put other people in a box and say, oh, well, this wouldn't happen or this would happen. You don't even really know. No. There's so much of it that happened that I never would have guessed.

And then it really truly dawned on me, as I mentioned, just a few weeks ago when doing my podcast. And I'm like, I want to tell this story. Because I mentioned it to somebody in passing. They're like, wait, that's crazy. Like you watched that episode a couple hours before Bob died? I'm like, yeah. That is crazy. That's insane.

And then part of me is like, well, maybe it doesn't seem as big of a coincidence to other people. Like, oh, you just happen to be watching. the show, but I'm like, no, it was, it was very intense. And then the memory I had from that when I went back and watched was just so like, that happened to me just a few hours later. It was just so crazy. It is crazy. It gives me kind of like chill type feelings, but also I do feel like, like, in a weird way, sometimes things are sent to us at different times that are going to help us. You know, that's like my woo-woo side. But, you know, like. No, it's so true. Yeah. And ever since then, you know, It's whenever I'm just trying to be cozy and comforted, you know, that's why I've gone through the season so many times is because it's always been my comfort show.

Even before Bob Pass, like, he would know, he'd be like, he's like, oh, all right, why he's not sex in the city again? I'll watch it with you. You know, go ahead. And I'm like, he's like, you've seen it so many times. I'm like, I don't care. Yeah. And so still, it just makes me, you know, feel so comforted. And that even though having that memory of, you know, well, that was an unpleasant memory,

it still, it still was strangely comforting in a way, too. I'm so glad. I'm so glad. I mean, I think it's comforting to think that anyone has gone through anything when you're in a horrible situation, right? Even if it's a fictional somebody. Yeah. You know?

Yeah. And that's what's interesting. I'm like, yeah, okay, that was fiction. But as I mentioned, like, somebody came up with it. It was, and it was done very, very perfectly where I'm like, that was my life 2A.T. I'm sorry, though. I'm sorry. It's like such a mixed thing, you know, it's like on the one hand, you're happy that the work reached someone in a powerful way.

And then on the other hand, I'm just sorry that you went through that. Well, thank you. But, you know, at this point now, it's, you know, I'm still, I just love talking about Bob all the time. And it's never changing. and, you know, I just tell people all the time. I'm like, he's never going anywhere. Like, I'm going to talk about him all the time. I don't care if people get sick of it.

It's been so therapeutic to always be sharing him because then I find out, like, look, I talk to you today. You're like, tell me things about Bob that I didn't even really know. And so there's always memories or things that I'm still learning about him because I'm always still talking about him. Wow, wow. That's amazing. Yeah, it's because so many people, either knew him personally or had some sort of connection to him, even if they're, I mean, he got all the time. I'm sure, you know, in ways that you do too, but he would have people come up to him saying,

like, I didn't have a dad and you raised me. Like that type of thing. Like very powerful stuff. And and so I still get that all the time, you know. Now they kind of transfer that on to me, which I'm just very proud to even have that connection at all. So, yeah, people live on. I mean, it's as it's a, Death is a really crazy thing because, like, on the one hand, it is very final. And on the other hand, it's not, you know, people's energies and spirit and what he created when he was here. Powerful, very powerful. Yeah. Touch so many people.

Oh, thank you. You're welcome. I mean, you know, I didn't know him well, but he was always, you always knew if Bob was at an event you were at. Let me put it that way. He stood out. He did. He did. He did.

He did. Right. He had a very special energy. He did. He did. It was warm. It was very warm and so funny and just, but sweet. You know, he was sweet.

He had a sweetness about him. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he was. And it's interesting to see that kind of continue on. And, you know, like even with my boyfriend now, like people ask me all the time. Like, is it weird that you still talk about Bob so much? Like, is Breckin okay with that? And I'm like, he loves it.

He's very comfortable with it. strangely, and I'm so grateful for that because it was not always the case. Sure. And I was so worried about that. I can only imagine. You know, how am I going to find somebody who's confident enough to know that I'm always going to be talking about Bob? Like, that's got to get weird for somebody. And he's like not weird about it.

That's amazing. Did he know Bob? Yes. Not super well. Not like a Stamos. I don't think anyone who's better than Stamos. No, because that would be weird. Those two were tied.

I mean, it was very intense. Hence relationship. You know, Stamos was the last holdout on Brecken. All of Bob's friends, his daughters, like, love Brecken, like, everyone. But for some reason, John was a little, like, hmm. Interesting, of all people. I don't want you to have a new boyfriend. You know, he was a little, a little sensitive about it.

And then finally he's like, all right, I'll meet him. And then they hung out. Now they love each other. Oh, good, good, good. I mean, Breckin always love John. But so he's like, all right, he's great. But, yeah, they were friendly and respected each other and really liked each other. Like, I remember I would be sitting on the couch with Bob watching TV or a series and Brecken would come on.

He'd be like, oh, Brecken's in the show. I love Brecken. Oh, that's nice. Yeah. But then it wasn't much more than that. Like, I'd met him a couple times, but it wasn't. I feel like I've met Brecken. Oh, my God.

I know, but I can't remember. Probably. I mean, he's just one of those people who's been working for so long. Yes, he's been around for so long. I know, but part of the minute, I'm just like, where, when, how, what? I'm not sure. It's not like Bob where, like, you, I mean, I have very vivid memories of Bobby. I love this.

It's like six degrees of Chris and Davis. I know. Well, in the acting world, if you've made it for any length of time, you know what I'm saying, you tend to. And how long have you been in L.A. ever since? I moved here in 91. Okay. But then I ended up getting Texas and City going back and forth, you know, for years and years. So you were here, too.

Like, you would be here a lot. Right. When we were on hiatus or whatever. Oh, got it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I bought my house after the first season. Oh, okay. Yeah. And I remember Sir Jek was like, why are you doing that?

I said, because it's very calm there and I can rest. Were you the only bi-coastal? No, no. There were Michael Patrick was here as well. And Darren's star was here as well. And acting-wise, yes. Though I think when we started Kim had a house here, but then I think she sold it. And then I think Chris had a house here.

I mean, a lot of us went back and forth. It was so weird. I saw him in a grocery store parking lot like a few weeks ago. Oh, wow. Or maybe a couple months ago. And part of me wanted to be like, I think it was like the same week I recorded my podcast about. Wow. Right.

But I was like, oh, I'm not going to bother him. But what are the odds, you know? Yeah, that's interesting. I know. That was crazy. That is crazy. But, yeah, it's been such a. ongoing therapy session to always be able to talk about Bob.

So I'm grateful to you that you gave me this opportunity to even like really kind of dive into it more, you know? Yeah, definitely. I mean, I think, I think first of all, I think grief is super fascinating and we do not talk about it enough. And second of all, I love Bob. So in Bob's memory. Well, and I think talking about grief in a way that makes it not so scary or heavy, Like when you can joke about it or when you can throw in things that are a little bit more lighthearted or like, you know, tie my grief into a TV show. Like there are ways that make it more palatable, which is why I had started doing my podcast originally was because I'm like, I want, you know, it's called comfort food.

Like I want it to be comforting and not dark and sad and scary and where people don't want to listen to something that's about death because they're like, well, that sounds awful. Right. It's like, okay, how can we make it more related? and not so heavy. I just feel like it's such a service because the fact that our culture has decided, like, okay, we're not going to, this is random what I'm going to say,

but our culture's like, we're not going to talk about it, but obviously it's a part of life. It's a part of everyday life, basically, right? And then also the other day, I was listening to this podcast about the industry. I'm not going to say the name of it, but they were talking about how there had been this bidding war for this Jane Fonda movie

called The Correspondent, which is a book, a very much loved book. And this guy who's, he's quite a big reporter in our industry. And he was like, I mean, that's crazy. Like, it's Jane Fonda. She's 80-something. And I was just like the disrespect was so cutting. And it's so wrongheaded of our whole culture, right,

to discount people who are older. Because there's so much wisdom and people who are older. And there are other cultures who honor that. And we are so wrong. long-headed about death in general and aging in general. Yeah. Like there's so much to be learned, to be proud of, to own and share, you know, for the young people to learn things.

And I mean, Jane Fonda's beloved. Like, obviously not by all the men in our industry, but, you know, by those of us with good sense. You know what I'm saying? Do you think it's gotten better, though? I feel like it's gotten... I don't know. I think it's really up and down, right?

I think that that, that I think in some ways, like with the devil wears product, right? too, which is super exciting and did way huge numbers. And they're all like, oh, we can't believe it. Which is every time a female driven movie is successful, they're like, we can't believe it. Who would have thought? Exactly. Exactly.

This massive movie would do well. Exactly. And then I saw something else on Instagram about, I don't know how old and Hathaway is or Emily Blunt, but I mean, they're grown women, right? And then Meryl, of course, you know, it's just a joy. And there's a lot of statistics about older women buying houses, single women buying houses, all of the things, all of those statistics are going in the right way, right? And I think that the thing that's interesting is that I do feel like culturally and in terms of advertising and things that are getting made, like it's still really hard to get a film made that is, you know, about, like it was not easy for us to make it just like that, right? Everyone thinks that it was, but it wasn't, you know, it wasn't like here.

easy. Yeah, have $20 million an episode, go, have fun. It wasn't that easy because we weren't trying to recreate the other show. We were obviously at a different time in our lives and we wanted to write about that. That was our purpose, right? That's a new perspective, yeah. Right. I think it's a mixed bag, right? I think sometimes there's wonderful things that happen like Devil Wars Part of Two or like Jane Greenlighting a movie, you know, that has a bidding war. It's amazing, right? But I don't think it's prevalent. Yeah, I will say I've noticed, even if it's trickling in, Little by little. There is a bit more, because you mentioned the aging thing, that there are more people coming out and being like, no, I'm not doing. Like, Drew Barrymore. I saw a clip of her yesterday. She's like, I'm not doing anything. Right.

And so many more people now are kind of jumping on that bandwagon and saying like, hey, it's not, you know, weird to not do stuff to your face or to whatever. Sure, sure. This should be the norm. And then that's what. I think there are any should be accepted, right? I think that we need to take the shoulds out because I think that's part of what goes wrong. But the thing that's interesting about it. Or that if we do see it, that we shouldn't be like, oh, that's so strange. She decided not to do something. For sure, for sure.

But I also think a lot of this is driven by clickbait and by, you know, social media. Because even if Drew's going on our show and saying, I've made this choice, that doesn't mean that there's not going to be all kind of posts about like, look how terrible she looks. You know, it's ridiculous. And then there are other people who are going to criticize people that they feel like they've done too much work. You can't really win. You're still in a hard to win situation. Yeah, that's a good point because I guess in that industry, no matter which way you go, you're going to have people that just want to be trolls and want to comment and want to say the mean things.

Because we have now, you know, a platform for everything, right? So there's platforms for people dissecting your face, you know, every day or whatever. It's very interesting, very interesting. It's interesting if you can get a little space from it. You know what I'm saying? Get a little detachment from it. God bless us all. I know.

And the truth is, right, if you're lucky enough to be older and healthy, isn't that what's important? Yeah. And that's, you know, part of, you were just even mentioning, you know, double wears Prada. Like they're like they look amazing. Merrill looks amazing. Like, let's celebrate that.

Definitely. you know, have any negativity around it. But at the same time, you know, that was another really big thing with my whole loss of Bob was everyone was like, I'm so sorry for you. You got robbed. It's not fair. Like, no, I'm so grateful I had him for six years. And I can't be like, it's not fair that I didn't have him longer. I don't think life is fair. Right. Right. I think that's just a crazy idea anyway, right? To focus on the gratitude for the... For sure.

How much time we did have together or how much time you get to be on this planet and healthy and alive. I've met him. You know what I'm saying? To even have come across him so that you could have that joy. I mean, not everyone gets that, you know, at all, right?

So, yeah, it is hard, though. I think with loss, it's hard. You can't be holding yourself up to an unrealistic expectation that you're going to be living in the gratitude every moment either, right? Like, you need to give yourself freedom to have all the feelings. You don't know what I'm saying. Yeah, right?

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And people always want to talk about that. You know, like, oh, well, why didn't you have kids? Why did you not want to have kids? I mean, you know, it's a huge conversation, especially nowadays. That's rough. child free by choice thing. And when I had met Bob, I was still kind of on the fence about having kids like, do I or do I not want to? I was like, I don't think I want to, but I don't know. And then I meet Bob. And when we met, I was 37 and he was 60. So, you know, big age gap.

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I don't want to take that from you. Oh, that's so nice. So, you know, you need to think about that. And I remember thinking. And at that time, and of course I'd seen the episode before, but I remember watching the, it was in season six, it was one of the Alexander Petrovsky episodes, but Charlotte and Carrie were playing with Brady at the park.

Okay, don't remember, but okay. And, you know, Charlotte was like, you're a baby person. And she's like, I don't think I'm a baby person. Because, you know, Alexander Petrovsky didn't want kids. Yes, yes. And Charlotte goes, but how could you give up a baby for a man you hardly know? And she goes, why would I give up a man for a baby I hardly know I want? Wow.

And I, like, that line has stuck with me so much. That's interesting. again, yes, I know it's TV show, but it's so true. And then I remember applying that logic to being like, wait, I'm going to give up Bob, like this wonderful man for like a baby. I hardly know I want. And so since then, whenever it comes up, I always say like, well, you know, like that line and sex in the city. And then I do that line all the time. Everyone's like, I love that's so true. Like that impact me too. Yeah. That's very good. I wonder who wrote that line, let's get to the bottom of it. It's a very juicy line. It's a very juicy line.

Yeah. I do think there is also culturally this just tremendous pressure on everyone to have children. Goodness. Yeah. It's crazy town. It really is. It's such a big thing and I don't think anyone should force anyone or put any pressure and this whole idea that all women secretly wanted or whatever, that's just not true. Right. But I thought, should they? As the whole shitting thing, I thought I would because that's, I should. That's what you're supposed to do. Well, you're supposed to have. So I was just like, well, I guess I will because.

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I went through this myself before I adopted my kids. I really, I really was unsure. I was very unsure for quite some time. I waited so long to try to be sure. But then I did have like a weird, deeper need, you know, like I had to really sit down and think it through in a deep way. Like, why? Why? What do I want? What is it about it? You know, I had to dissect it because I didn't necessarily. want to get married. So it wasn't, I didn't want the picture perfect, blah, blah, blah. But then I had to think about, like, what is it about the children?

And it was a different element. And it was like the unknown. There's an unknown. I mean, in the same way, when you meet someone and fall in love, there's an unknown. Like, what will you make together? You can't plan any.

We don't know what's going to happen. Exactly. Same with children. And it kind of a slightly different way, right? In like a, I did feel like a deeper calling to it, which is why I eventually then pursued it. But there was a long time where

everyone around me would be talking about getting pregnant. And I would just be like, you know. But see, that's what's even more, but see, that's what's even more, I don't want to say, impressive, but more like meaningful and deep meaningful to me about what you did because you were like, I want to be a mother. Like, I want to be a mom. It's not like, I want to have the baby and be pregnant for the Instagram photos or this or that. Right.

Like, where some people, they're like, I want to meet the man and then have the baby. because then it's like that's the perfect life. Right. And Charlotte wanted that. I mean, I play a character who wanted that. She really did. And I had to really dig deeply when I was playing her to make it deeper than that in real. You know, she didn't have social media, right?

We started, you know, 1998, 2007, actually. But, you know, because some people really deeply, deeply have that vision for themselves, right? Like they have a vision and maybe it is affected by how they grew up or by the, society or whatever, but it is their true vision. So I think that that needs to be honored as well. I think the question is always, you know, like, how, where are people coming from about what they want? Is it from a deep place? Is it from a social pressure place? You know, because those are the people who then sometimes are really unhappy when they do get that thing. Well, exactly. So I'm saying to do it your way because you felt a calling to it and not because like, oh, I'm going to check the boxes that society

says we should check. It's so sad. It's so silly. Like nowadays, even when people have a certain wedding, I'm like, are you doing that because you truly want the wedding or you want to show the pictures on Facebook and Instagram? I know. If there was,

I mean, of course, weddings existed before social media, but nowadays with how they're structured, like if there was no social media, a lot of people nowadays, especially with like how much they cost and everything, it's like, let's just and we just want to be married. Let's just a lope. Who cares? We don't need the pictures.

You know? I do know. I do know. I think it'll be interesting. I have a, my oldest is 14 and she doesn't having social media. Thank you. 14 and how old is the other eight? 14 and 18. And I'm wondering because there is this kind of turning away from it all now, you know, not across the board, but like there are young people who just don't want to bother with it, you know? And I wonder if it's going to come full circle and it will be interesting for us who had a lot of life before it, right? Like a ton of life. And then now life has been greatly changed by it in terms of all the things you're talking about, the pressures and how things are presented versus how they really are. Right. Like I also think these things when I see, you know, things on social media,

and I'm like, hmm, you know, I don't think that's really how that thing actually is. But when you have experience and you've lived some life, and like I've been married twice. So I've had the divorce and I've had the loss of a spouse. And so. So, you know, I've had all these experiences now where, you know, when you see somebody who's like 25 and they're like, I'm just going to do this and do that, I'm like, okay, take a breath. I'm telling you. Oh, I know. It's not how it always goes. It's hard to tell them, though. Right.

Right. It's hard. And then. But also they have to go do it. You know, they have to go do it, right? Because how else are they going to learn things, right? I mean, yeah, it is really interesting when you have gone through a lot of life. And then you want to try to share it.

And then you, I think there is such great things to be had from different generations, having kind of deep conversations about these things, right? When they want to, when the time is right. And maybe they'll listen, maybe they won't. But it's super interesting to share our thoughts and our feelings and their expectations. Like, because they're living in such a different life than we did. It's like going back, you want to be able to be like, I wish I was 18 and I would have listened.

I would have been like, hey, grandparents, tell me what I should and shouldn't do. But we would never do that. We would never listen at 18. Oh, my grandparents had a lot to tell me. And I did not listen to them. And it's okay. Because I never would have left the house if I had listened to them.

Well, yeah, I'd probably be a farmer. Exactly. Exactly right. That's exactly right. But they, but they, I think what they did tell me and what I feel like got transmuted or whatever you would say. was about work hard, work ethic, things like that, which I feel like also culturally were kind of in like a weird thing about it

because I think things are so much less linear than they used to be. It's not like you can do the certain things you're supposed to do and have it necessarily work out, right? It's much more chaotic now. So I think that sometimes what we, I'm older than you, but what I received from the generations before me was about kind of that if you really apply yourself and work really, really hard,

that things are going to work out for you, right? I don't know if people feel that way now because the world is so different. Well, yeah, now you have social media where you could be 18 years old and have a TikTok account and start making millions of dollars from TikTok tomorrow. And then kids see that and they're like, oh, well, I'll just do that. Right. But then my fear for that, for that, because it is super interesting and it's real, right? It's not like it's not a real job.

It is a real job. It can be real. It can be real. It's not going to be real for everyone who wants it. Like, can be real for anyone, but not everyone. Exactly. But also then my question is, where is it going to go? Right?

Because then it, let's say that you hit, that you're one of those people who hits as a content creator. What happens next? Like, what are you going to do with that? Is it going to last? Are you going to save that money? Probably not. I don't know if they think that way.

It's probably like what happened to a lot of child actors maybe. Yes. Yes. Good analogy. Yes. Which is scary. They get really, I mean, granted, the era of. child actors, let's say in the 70s, 80s, 90s is different than today because of social media.

Right. But, you know, they get so big and then they burn out. And then there's a lot of issues that follow with that. For sure. And that's exactly what I worry about. That's exactly what I worry about that they're, because there's also no network or like structure for content creators, right? Like they're just kind of on their own, you know? Whereas if you're a child actor, not that this always worked out, but your parents.

were supposed to be around and stuff, right? Yeah. And now... It's supposed to be, yeah. Yeah, now, didn't always work out in the past. And they're supposed to be saving your money for you and all those things, right? But content creators, I don't think anybody's overseeing them in any way, which is really interesting to think about, like, what's going to happen.

Yeah, I think there's some law that, you know, and I'm sure anyone can do research on this, but I remember hearing about it very recently that for people who put their children in videos, like content creators who put their children in videos and money's made from that. Like some money has to go to the kids. Thank goodness. And then there also might be some sort of laws about like time. Wow. Because you know everything that happened after that was named Ruby Frankie?

Right. On YouTube where she's monetizing off her kids and these kids are like working 20 hour days on YouTube. I think because of her specifically, they made some long. about that. Wow. Good. Yeah. Good. I mean, who know? It's still so unregulated. I mean, this has been my, you know, world in business for the last 10 years and my line of work. And it's interesting to see, you know, because it was the Wild West for so long. I feel like it still is. It still is. It's just slightly, you know, there's certain regulations. If something's sponsored,

you have to say it's sponsored or things like that. But I feel like not everybody does. No, definitely not. Definitely not. Okay. I mean, I do. Yeah. Yeah, because I'm always scared. I'm so scared. I'm scared. I'm like, what if, you know, the FCC, like they're only watching me.

I mean, I don't think they're only watching anyone, but I do think that you can get flagged at any time, right? Like if you're not doing things properly. I'm always scared. I'll be the one. I'll be the first one ever who gets in trouble. Oh, no, people are getting in trouble. I've heard of people getting in trouble.

People just don't know about it. Mm-hmm. Ooh. I mean, I think that. But I think, I don't necessarily think it's the, the, the creator's fault. I think it's lack of clarity from the brands, you know?

Yeah. Well, see, that's the thing, because I've had several brand deals where I'll say like, well, aren't I supposed to put hashtag and they're like, well, the brand's not requiring it. And I'm like, I know weird, right? Isn't that strange?

Okay, but I still think I should. It's all over the place. It's all over the place. Some people used to put ad in the corner. Do you remember like a little? And now you never see that. You never see that. And now sometimes you'll see hashtag partner, right?

And that's interesting, but I don't know, but you're supposed to put it at the top, like, sponsored. Yeah. But not everybody does. Right. Yeah. Super fascinating. I know. I always get so scared that I'm going to get in trouble.

So I always go above and beyond. I'll be like, okay, I'll tag it here. I'll tag it here. I'll tag it here. Better safe than sorry. Yeah. But I don't think everyone's doing that. And I think sometimes that's what's really gray about it is like if you're watching content that is actually

advertising, but you don't know it. That's weird. Yeah. Well, I mean, that's not supposed to. happens so much that I'll see. I'm like, I'll be, and as a content creator, who's savvy to this, there are times where I'm watching something and it's not until the end of the video. I was like, this whole thing was sponsored. I didn't even know it. You know? Right. I know. I know. I, I'm, I'm unclear on all of it, right? But I'm also just really like, I don't want to do things where it's

not clear because I don't want to be part of the problem. You know what I mean? Well, you know, it's still kind of the wild, wild west. It is. Yeah. It is. It is. So wait, you have a podcast.

Tell us all the different things you do. It's super interesting. Oh, gosh. It's so funny when Bob used to, like, people would say to Bob like, oh, what is your wife to? He would say the most random things. Because like, sometimes I don't even know what I do. Like, you know, when you start doing all these different things, like, what do I do?

But he would be like, she's a shout. I'm like, I'm not a chef. You can't tell people. I'm a chef. That's funny, though. Like, I was like, me? You cannot tell people I'm a chef. Or he'd be like, she's a, she's a travel journalist.

And I was like, I'm not a journalist. You can't tell people I have like, you know, degrees that I don't have. I know. He was like, what do you want me to say? Just give me the script. Anyway, so. And then did you give him the script and did you do it? He tried.

He would try. Okay. Anyway. So, yeah, you know, I've always done a food. and travel content creation for years, for over a decade now, like before it was really even a thing. And then after Bob passed, I had all these people coming to me, just not even really asking advice, but just kind of being like, I remember after he passed two weeks later, I went on

my first hike. And, you know, I hadn't been sharing anything on social media, but I posted one thing of just the mountain and just saying like got outside today. And I had all these people being like, my mom just passed away last week and you just inspired me to go outside. And I'm like, what's good. Like I don't know what the heck I'm doing. Like don't follow my lead. I'm new to this game, you know? But I started getting all these people coming to me. I was like, okay, maybe I'll share a little bit more. And then I'll share a little bit more. And then it kind of became a thing where people were like, this has been helping when you talk about

this stuff. That's great. So then I started the first. first season of comfort food, which was, you know, the podcast a couple years ago. And it was really just interviewing people, just sitting like this talking about grief and death. Like, you know, whoever my guest was, it's like, tell me about the loss you had. And let's talk about that while eating my guest's favorite comfort food. Oh, that's fun. To make it a little easier. Sure. And I did a full season of that. And then I took a hiatus. And then I just came back just recently. But I'm like, I've grown since then and I don't just want to talk about grief anymore. So now it's all different topics.

You know, some solo episodes like my Bob and Mr. Big episode where that was, you know, grief in a sense and loss. But then, you know, I have topics where I'm talking about romance scams or, you know, I had one talking about like red flags and relationships. You know, it's all over the place. But the overall theme is something comfortable. at the end that people can take from it that hopefully can be helpful. That's nice. That's so nice. Thank you. Well, thank you for joining us, Kelly. Thank you so much for having me. This was such a treat and I can't believe I got to talk about sex in the city and just like that with you. So such a dream. So thank you for having me. Thank you for coming. Hey, everyone. It's the Jonas Brothers. If you haven't heard, our new podcast is called Hey Jonas. And this week, we're hanging out with someone we're really big fans of.

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