Are You A Charlotte? - Catching Up With Friends: Rebecca Wisocky (S3 E16 "Frenemies")

Episode Date: May 28, 2026

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I'm Kristen Davis, and I want to know, are you a Charlotte? Hi, everyone, welcome to Are You a Charlotte? Today, we have a fun episode of catching up with friends with the fantastic Rebecca Wasaki, who plays one of my sorority sisters in the wonderful episode of Frenemones from 2000. It's season three, episode 16, and you, I'm sure we'll recognize her. She's incredibly gorgeous. She's currently on a CBS show called Ghosts. and it's really fun to catch up with her.

So please join me in catching up with Rebecca. Hello. How are you? I'm very good. I'm so excited to be doing this with you. Oh, thank you so much for doing it. We love to have our little segment called Catching Up with Friends because it's fun because everyone has such different memories and I'm just so curious what you're, I have very little memories.

I remember being so stressed when we filmed that scene. Yes. Okay, so late 90s, everyone in New York wanted to be on your show. And it was a very small part. I don't know if you can can recall it. Yes, I can. I just rewatched it. It was my very first job I ever met because I was working deep downtown theater,

dance theater. And it was so it's notable for me in many ways. Wow. I did my very first, my very first real job. Was it scary? I mean, you know, yeah, sure. It was nice. Lovely.

I don't know if you were, well, you say you remember being stressed, but you were very nice. I'm so glad. Thank you. Good. Hapacapal ladies did bond and we stayed friends after.

I haven't talked to either of them in years, but both very talented actors. You had many great, you know, downtown theater actors on that show. Yeah, we really made an effort. And I think that's what helped make the show what it was. People might not have known that who were watching.

it, but, you know, we knew and like the level, you know, of, I think Michael Patrick also, like, very, you know, he wants everyone to be like just on it, you know, in a way that theater actors are just already prepared to be. You don't have to explain it, you know? And I think that's part of what made this show so rich is that like all, even a technically small part, people were just so super talented and ready, you know? I don't think people still stop me. People actually still recognize me and text me about it. I saw you on. Yeah.

I mean, you know this well, but it was such an important moment in television, and it was such an iconic group of women that we were so dying to see. So this angle of your podcast is also very, very smart. Oh, thank you. Thank you. I enjoy doing it.

And part of what's fun is getting to hear other people's perspectives of what it was like. So take us back, like, how did you get the part? I mean, again, I was making the rounds so somewhat fresh out of school, out of acting school, doing a lot of theater. And I actually auditioned for the pilot. Which part? For Samantha. What?

No way in a million years I would have ever gotten. But that's how I was perceived in that moment. Wow. Probably how I perceived myself in my 20s. Turns out I'm not at all, Samantha. I mean, much more like a Charlotte, because, you know, I ended up marrying the good guy after my big, you know. Got it.

So, yeah, I mean, it was an audition. Like, you know. Of course, right. I mean, what, it was over 25 years ago. I, I'm aware. It's crazy, right? It's crazy to think about it. So you auditioned and then did you, so you're aware of the show and you were like, yes,

yes, I want to be on it. I don't care if it's, you know, this part of that part or whatever, right? Like you were gay. Oh, again. Downtown theater actor. There was no part that was too small. I was just so thrilled. And it was just such a, I mean, it was such a sexy credit.

And it was just was such a fun thing to be a part of even just for a scene. And a very notable episode. You guys coined that term. Frenemies. Yes. I mean, look, I always feel very nervous about saying that we coined anything because I just feel like it seems like maybe it might not be true. Right. it's really hard to get to the actual origins of a new word.

Do you know what I mean? But it was certainly a big introduction of the world to the culture, to the popular culture. You know what I'm saying? And also the concept, the name and the concept of like what does friend amese mean? And I think it's such a great, great episode that really stands up, you know, so beautifully now. When I rewatched it, I was like, wow, you know, that's really, really good.

There's so many different angles, you know, two friends. enemies and what it means. And I had, I only vaguely remember this because Charlotte had so many kind of interesting different, you know, she's so unexpected at times. And this is one of those kind of unexpected things that now is a meme. That's super embarrassing, but whatever, it's cool. The thing that I mostly remember about that, I remember feeling excited that I got to go backwards, you know, that Charlotte's like, oh, I need to be with my, you know, with my normal girlfriends or whatever. And then I wear this sweater over my shoulders. And that had been something that I hated to do. Like every part I've ever played in my life, I feel like some costume designer tries to put a shoulder.

You're the sweater? Yes. And I just hate it because it's so preppy. And I grew up in the south where like it's, you know, Preppyville. And I was like, it's just two on the nose, right? But for that scene, it was perfection that that's what Charlotte would do going back to see her college girlfriends. But I remember being stressed because I had to get drunk and say the crazy like, Don't you ever just want to, you know. And then I remember I had to throw that money back. Like it was a physically challenging thing to do. Like I had to get up and store them off and then throw the money. And then it landed in the glass.

Do you remember this? I do. Yeah. And it didn't seem to be, it didn't seem to be anything that was that complicated for you. You did it. Damn. That's, it didn't seem bad acrobatic, but maybe you made it work easy. That's so funny to me that you, because I obviously, first of all,

thank you for the opportunity to deep dive because I like everyone else in America, watch the show. Well, not everyone. Most women watch that show every damn week, but I have not seen it in many years. And so I took a little deep dive and I couldn't stop watching and I binged a bunch of them again. But I'm surprised to hear you say that in the frenemies episode, that was anything you were concerned about because you had when you, when you stand in your bedroom.

Oh, yeah. Oh, I was concerned about that too. I mean, that was such a beautiful scene. I know. Vulnerable, important scene for that character. And I had forgotten about that part of the episode, you know? Yeah. I mean, that that scene specifically happened.

I forgot that that was in the same episode. And that's one thing I do think when I rewatch is the writing is just so good that there's, there's so many like interesting, emotional kind of important moments that happen for all the characters. And that's the division between them too. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's really so much. And in my mind, those two storylines, those are separate storylines, right, in my head.

So I don't even put them still after rewatching in the same one. Like for me, you guys, and also I think it's because of the memes, because memes rule our lives now, right, in a weird way. And because I do this podcast, my phone shows me so much Texas City content. Oh, my good Lord. I didn't really know before I started this podcast how much was out there. People who are at best. It's so fascinating.

It's amazing. It's truly amazing and continually amazing. But I do think, again, that there's just so many different reasons for that. And I think a lot of it was the writing. I think the writing was just so brave and deep and funny. And it's hard to be deep and funny at the same time. And also unlike anything else, as you mentioned. But then also just the actors, like so many incredible actors joined.

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Take me back to your thoughts. Like, okay, it's your first TV job. Yeah. You'd been theater, theater, theater. And when you got there, did you think, like, wow, this is wacky? Or did you think, wow, this is great? What did you think of the day? I'll be 100% honest with you.

Because back then, and this is what the Law and Orders and the Sopranos and all this other stuff was for, theater, especially downtown theater, paid absolutely $0. So I, we had, I think you guys ran over. over the first day we was scheduled to do the scene. Always. And it was on a Friday. And so me and Vivian Benish and Sherry Parker Lee, who were the Kappa Kappa Kappa,

we had to go home, not shoot the scene, and come back like four days later, which means we got paid more money. Great. I have to say, back there in the day. Like that was the first thing that was like, okay, great. And you were, I was like,

she's fantastic. This is lovely. lovely, you know. Oh, good. I'm glad. Did it take forever when we did finally film it? Not to my recollection. No.

Good. Oh, well, that's amazing. One of the reasons might have been, I looked back and I noticed that your director was Michael Spiller, who was your DP for most of the season, right? That's right. So I would imagine he might have been a little faster. I don't know. I mean, yeah, maybe he was. I don't really remember him being faster. I don't remember anyone being faster, really.

Because we would just film all night long until the sun came up so many days. And I remember just being just delirious half the time, you know, and trying to be like, oh, get with it. You got to act, you know. And especially, especially once third season is really in my mind when everything kind of like amped up in terms of the response and award shows and all that extra stuff, you know, that you're doing on top of the show. And then fourth season, I've just started watching and I have like no memory. memories, which I just think I at some point got kind of overwhelmed, you know, in a way. Yeah. But I, in a good way, right?

In a positive way, I was loving everything and just trying to function through it. Like, how can I do this the best I can do it? But also, I need to go to sleep. It's fully immersive. You know, we do 22 episodes a season on the show that I'm doing. No way. Wrapped our fifth season. And fully don't recall a lot.

And we shoot on location in Montreal, too. So it really feels like we're, you know, it's another life that completely takes over. Because it is. It is another life that takes over. But also, I'm so thrilled they're doing 22, like the olden days. That's amazing. I know. I know.

I feel really, really lucky. I know how lucky I am, especially in this climate right now to have a job that I love that people are enjoying watching and most importantly the company of actors that they have because it's a big main cast and we all really really love each other we're all all of us are most of us at least come from the theater so everyone knows what it means to be an ensemble which is so important that's so great that's so great I'm so happy to hear that because you just don't know these days it's just so rare few and far between that that's the situation so I'm so happy for you that's amazing five seasons also like, whoa, never happens these days.

I know, I know. And Montreal, incredible. Have you been to Montreal? Never. You should visit. It's really pretty. People love it. A little Paris in the old town area.

Yeah. I've worked in every other Canadian city, but that one. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you should come be on ghosts. I mean, tell them to call me, Rebecca. I'll do it. I'll do it.

Wow. Yeah, but our whole crew. are francophons. So the whole crew speaks French. Every business, if you call any business there, they are actually mandated by law to answer the phone initially in French. Wow. Cool. We're in a foreign country. I love that. Very beautiful food town. Oh, my gosh. I'm incredible. Okay, so take me back. Let's go back to Sexland City many, many years ago. It airs. What was the response like? How did you feel when you watched it? I was thrilled. I mean, first of all, to be able to tell my parents that they could see my work in a way that didn't require them to take a train to New York and sit on the Lower East Side.

That was thrilling. And it just was exciting. It was like I said, it was the show everyone wanted to be on. Oh. Sweet. Did you feel as a theater actor? I know, like, for me, I was trained in the theater. I never really thought I'd be on TV. And I did a bunch of commercials.

I did other things, but like whenever I would watch myself, I'd just be like, what? Like, it was so odd on camera. Yeah. Yeah. I don't love watching myself. But I think I needed to stop being self-conscious at a certain point, you know? For sure. Yeah.

So it wasn't traumatic. You were just like, that's cool. It's good. I mean, no, I probably hated the way I looked. But also, I love and I have, I've been lucky enough to be given a wide breadth of, of, of parts to play, which as you well know is not usual in this business. I am often asked to play the persnickety uptight fancy lady. So my first TV job playing that. Your bone structure. Right. Maybe. Maybe. Definitely. I mean, you did a great job. Like you're so believable.

And I remember that all of you were so nice. Right. So I kind of felt bad that you had to be like bitchy kind of or whatever. But you all did it beautifully. Oh, it was fun. Yeah. It seemed very grounded. Yeah. Yeah. So when you were on and so you're still out there, you're auditioning, you're doing all the things. And then did people recognize you back at the day? Like, did people talk to you on the street? What was it like? I don't remember. But shortly thereafter, I booked a role in the Sopranos. And I would imagine that, you know, being given that HBO, like, she's a day probably meant a lot, you know. I mean, people don't know initially if someone, if a young actor can handle themselves on a set in any way, you know. And, you know,

I'm sure that, you know, getting that first job for anybody is super important. And the fact that it was such a, you know, important show at the time. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Where did you film your sopranos at Silver Cup or out in the world? No, I don't think Silver Cup existed. Oh, no, it existed. Is it?

Yeah, that's where we were. That's where we were filming. We shot our thing on location in Chelsea somewhere. Oh, got it, got it. Yeah, no, we and the Sopranos were both at Silver Cup. No. So Sopranos, we didn't shoot Silver Cup. We shot someplace out in New Jersey.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Got it. You were on location in Jersey. Oh, I probably took a bus from Silver Cup. Sure. I took a bus from Silver Cup. A bunch of the other actors and Aida Juturo and a bunch of other people to go out and do the table read when you all, you know,

battle any table reads with everyone all in one intimidating room. Oh, my God. The Sopranos table read. I cannot imagine. And such a big cast, too, such a great, great cast. Yeah. Was it scary? That was scary.

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Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, Hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys.

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Everyone could hear everyone else's audition. I believe David Chase was in the room. He had to have been. And so there's this long indictment that's meant to be read in the Supreme Court, you know, state Supreme Court. And he's, I remember him saying, that's great. Yes, I really, but, but don't like, make it really feel like you're reading it because this is a very precise legal document. You know, this is not something extemporaneous. And I said, got it. So I got the job. And like a complete lunatic, I show up and I'm like, okay, so I'm just not going to memorize it.

And it bit me in the ass. And because people were just like, yeah, you need to hold the paper just a little bit further away from your face. I'm just a little bit further. I'm like, yeah. Okay. Oh, no. So I just had to like, in between takes, I would just run out of the room and just like try to flash, memorize these things. Because I think it's a point.

But a really great lesson to learn in your early 20s, too. Like, no matter what anyone says, be prepared for every possible. Oh, my God. Yes. That's terrifying. That was really terrifying because I just did not want to disappoint that crew. No, you would want to be like super egg game,

but I also could see as an actor why that would have meant don't memorize because he told me to read. Right. Like I can see both sides, but then, of course, you don't know what's going to happen. But I mean, I do feel when you're young, like you're like, I mean, I never did this because I was already sober, but you know, when people would have scenes where they were supposed to be drunk

and they'd be like, okay, I need to go out the night before and get drunk. so that I'm like still, whatever, people do crazy things is my point. You know what I mean? I never did that, but yeah. Never did that. No, no, me neither, me neither. Well, how amazing that you were on our show and their show at the same time, like roughly meaning time period.

That's incredible. What a great, great beginning to your career. I mean, television was changing in such a radical way with those two shows. You guys were both started late 90s, right? Yeah. We, when we filmed our pilot was 97 and it, HBO, when they sent the contract, they were like, oh, we can't pay with the networks. Pay. We're not a real network. We're just beginning. No, no, no, no, no. We were like, oh, God, all right.

And then for our crew, we filmed our pilot, I want to say in June, Mayor June. And then they wanted to make a double deal with our crews that they would just go right directly to do the Sopranos project, a pilot. So it was right after us in Jersey. And I remember, I think our makeup artist saying like, oh, yeah, You know, they want us to do some mob show set in Jersey. And I was like, oh, don't do that. Like, we so did not understand what it was. You know what I mean? Like, no one understood what it was. It didn't exist until that.

Yeah. Right, right, right. So a lot of our crew did go, but then we would overlap. So sometimes we would, that's why we, like, they'd be down the hall at Silver Cup and we'd try to steal their food. That's the story I've told that was printed everywhere because they had really great craft service, right? way better than ours.

No offense to ours. But like meatballs and hot food and like they were so into their food and we would just be like, how can we get that food down? But it was really fun. I don't remember the snacks. I don't remember the crafty on either job, which probably goes to answer your question more honestly, which is, yeah, I was probably completely scared shit less on both jobs. Why wouldn't you be?

Why wouldn't you be? That's incredible as your first jobs. My God, so great. But, you know, obviously you're just super talented and they could see it. right away, which is wonderful. Well, that's kind of you. Yes. Yes, look at you still having such a great career.

It's not easy. Well, I feel like I've aged into my face. I have a period face. Oh, I'm literally playing someone who's, you know, 150 years old. Crazy. That's super interesting, though. And yeah, I mean, you have a very specific look that I think lends itself to a lot of good things.

Like, I could see you playing an attorney. I could see you playing my like, you know, kind of upper crust sorority sister. you know, you definitely have a period face. I mean, but those things are so, so great, but then if you don't have the things, the skill, the, you know, talent, all the things to fill that in, it doesn't really mean anything, you know? Yeah. Anyway, I love it. I love talking to you. I love seeing you.

Sometimes I'm like, oh, one of my sorority sisters. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. You live in New York, right? I live in L.A., but we were working in New York. But yeah, no, I just mean on TV, like on the screen or whatever. You know what I mean?

I'll be like, oh, yes, yes. Yeah, yeah. Also in the streets of New York. I mean, people must feel like they own you in New York, right? I mean, yeah, it's kind of the opposite of the norm in that, you know, they're always like, oh, New Yorkers don't care. But I'm always thinking like, wow, I mean, it depends where, right? And depends how I'm dressed. So, you know, you can, if you think it through before you leave the house, you can.

you can fly under the radar. But like roughly I can't, I can't walk down Madison Avenue, really. I can't shop, you know. Yeah, it's just too, it's too specific. You know what I'm saying? And when Barneys was still there, we couldn't go to Barneys,

which was really hard because we really loved Barneys. And we kept trying to go and it just didn't go well. But, you know, there's just too, it's too much, right, to think that I could somehow anonymously do the things that the characters do, right? Though I do think that Sarah and Cynthia, who live there, I think that they really, I think that it,

that they've got it down, like how to, where to go, what to wear, how to, you know, you can do it. You can do it is what I'm trying to say. You can fly under the radar if you're, if that's what you would like to do that day, right? They're both lovely, but, you know, Cynthia Nixon, I see her out and about the theater and stuff sometimes and we've lost unusual friends and she is,

I think possibly the very nicest one. woman in show business. She's so talented. And so she just finished the run. Did you see her I missed it? I missed it. I'm so sad. I heard that play Jordan Harrison and she was magnificent. I heard Sarah Sarah loved it. And I had a plan and then the kids got sick and I couldn't go and you know, it's sad. Yeah, I love to see Cynthia on the stage. It's super special, super special and amazing. Do you miss the theater? I do. You know, my husband is a lighting designer for the theater. So I kind of get my fix in that way a little bit. But we just relocated from L.A. back to New York, like just within like a couple months ago. Oh. Which is intense. Yeah. Yeah. So I think I might do more theater now. Yay. That's exciting. Yeah. That's great. Nothing. I'm 22 episodes. I'm, I need a little bit of, I'm, I need a little bit of, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm I mean, yeah. I can't even believe anyone's doing 22 episodes these days. It's pretty exciting. But yes, it does take over your life for sure. For sure. Well, thank you so much for joining us. I love it so much. It's so good to connect and hear the updates. And congratulations on your show and moving back to New York. That's fun.

Congratulations to you on the podcast all else in your life. Thank you. And for looking truly like you have not aged. Not that it's time to age. I know, I know. But there. Thank you so much. I have a lot of light on me right now. As you can see, my glasses. Like I said, a lighting designer. Oh, it's beautiful. Oh, nice. Nice. Perk. Love it. You look fantastic. Thank you. Wonderful to chat with you. You too. Thank you, Rebecca. Have a great day.

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