Are You A Charlotte? - Charlotte & Trey with Kyle MacLachlan
Episode Date: December 4, 2025Kyle MacLachlan returns and takes us behind the scenes with a story of sweaty tennis. Then Kristin and Kyle go there, to a topic that HAS to be discussed… the cardboard baby! Kristin gets into ...the mother-son Bunny/Trey dynamic as she talks about Charlotte signing her prenup. Alrighty… let's go!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Hi, I'm Kristen Davis, and I want to know, are you a Charlotte?
We are back with Are You a Charlotte?
We're going to continue with the fantastic Kyle McLaughlin.
Oh, I'm having so much fun.
Thank you.
I'm really enjoying this.
You were a great host.
Whoa, you're so sweet.
You're a great guest, of course.
And I can't wait to listen to you.
podcast.
Thank you.
Thank you.
What are we even doing?
What are we even doing?
What are we even doing?
I know.
And you can say a number of different ways.
I know.
I like that.
What are we even doing?
Yeah, it depends on the moment.
It depends on the day.
It does.
It does.
I like it.
I like it.
Cool.
What I didn't get to in my rewatch of last night was when we go to Connecticut,
which I don't even know if we really go to Connecticut.
I think it's Bunny's house.
Okay.
And we play tennis, which I have a lot of photographs in my possession of us playing
tennis.
Yeah.
I don't know why.
We must have had to take like prop photos or something.
Oh, I remember the tennis one.
It's sort of towards the end, right?
It must be.
I don't know.
I didn't get that far,
but like I make it out with the gardener apparently.
Right.
Which I thought was a dream.
But apparently it's real.
No.
See, I don't remember everything accurately.
No, it's okay.
That's all right.
What was Charlotte doing?
Is it because we're not having sex?
I don't know.
I haven't gotten to that part.
Anyone know?
Yes.
Okay.
But I mean, that's so sad.
You blanked it out.
That's okay.
I did.
I blanked it out.
I remember.
I remember the tennis court.
I mean, it was the same sequence there, the night shot.
Yes.
And I had gone out because I was frustrated at myself.
I was angry at myself and I couldn't do what I was supposed to do.
And they had me out and I was out the tennis court.
And I remembered I took tennis lessons there at Central Park.
There was a wonderful facility there.
I didn't play tennis.
I was like, okay, I got it look like I know what I'm doing.
Yes.
Which I really didn't.
But, you know, it was.
I've been through this so many times now with Charlotte.
Yes, yes.
And I was there.
and I remember it was a warm night
and I was hitting balls
and the makeup ladies came over
and they were like,
you need to be a little sweatier
and I was like, okay.
And they started taking baby oil
and rubbing it on my chest.
And I was like, that's the one right there.
Look it, that's it.
Oh my God!
And I was like, I said,
I think this is a little,
I think it's a little too much, right?
And I was like, oh.
And they were like, no, no.
And they were like, no,
And they were, like, doing this.
I was like, look at you.
Oh, my God.
There's a young man right there.
That's incredible.
And I was just like, I always said, okay.
I said, all right.
That's fine, whatever.
I'm sure all of the guys and all of the girls on set were having a great time.
Very, like, not shy.
I know, why do I go make out with a gardener?
Why don't I just try harder?
It's just, you know, it's the whole thing.
He looks good on the outside, but the inside is just not working.
It's sad.
It's so sad.
Yeah.
It's so funny, though, because.
I only remember some of it.
It's interesting.
Yeah, there are a few moments that, like, I remember the scene in the bathtub with when, for Francis.
Yeah, I'm in the bathtub.
And Frannie is sitting on the toilet smoking.
It's not good.
I mean, it's good, but it's not good for Charlotte.
Yeah, and you kind of poke your head in and it's like, what the hell is going on?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I haven't forgotten that.
Yeah, but I immediately recognize.
I said, this is the entire relationship in one scene, in one visual.
Yeah, that's true. That's really good. And I think that we had. And I said, no, give me a washcloth and I'm going to be washing.
Not just soaking. I'm actually washing my leg. And we're chatting like everything is totally fine. And I said, there's a brilliant moment. And the other one that I loved, which you're probably remember is when we're shopping for a bed.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's the three of us on the bed. And it's just, again, I'm like, there's a.
there it is.
That's a good visual.
It's a good visual.
I'll tell you what I remember
because I thought that it was very hard
and I was very scared to do it
and it might have been Charles also.
And the other thing I want to say
about Charles before we move on
because I was watching them in order, right?
Like I watched more than I would normally watch last night.
And so when you switch from one director
to the next, you're like, oh,
you know, when it's someone new, right?
And he would film us even in the intimate scenes
on a longer lens.
And it's so cinematic.
And that's when Carrie's having the affair with Big behind Aden's back.
And it's so beautifully filmed.
Yeah.
And she's so great.
Yeah.
I mean, everyone's so good.
It's so nice to see.
He's a really good visualist, too.
And he's a good director.
I mean, he's a good director.
Such a good director.
Yeah.
But then what I remember with us is when, so you in Bergdorf, you hand me, I say, oh, did you do your list for the party?
And you hand me your list and behind the list for the engagement.
party is the pre-nup.
And I'm like, Trey in the middle of Bergdorf, what is this?
I forgot about that.
Yeah, and you're like, oh, it's nothing.
Everyone in the family does it.
You know, you're very easy.
You just, you blow everything off.
And so I go to the girls and I'm like, can you believe this?
And I've got Miranda looking at it.
You say, oh, just have your lawyer look at it like I have a lawyer, right?
Well, luckily Miranda's a lawyer.
So I take it to Miranda.
And she's like, oh, well, this is interesting.
You know, it's normal.
People do this.
Like, I would do this if I were getting married.
And then she gets to the part where it's like, I guess.
extra money if I have a boy child, but I get no money if I have a girl child. And I'm like,
what on earth? And I mean, rewatching, I didn't remember any of this. I was like, that is
fucking weird. Yeah, the writers are so brilliant. Right? I mean, really brilliant. But then,
where I didn't get to last night, but I know is good, the party, I go to and negotiate with
Franny, with Bunny. And that's what I say I'm worth a million. Yeah. And I remember being so
petrified because it was one of those shots where they set the shot up and it's like a super
super close up and you know it's a super close up and it's kind of like someone's like choking you
like the pressure and they keep trying to explain to me how I feel and I remember Jenny's trying
to explain to me how I feel and Charles is trying to tell me what to do like how to do it or whatever
and I'm they just want me to like embody like I'm worth a million or whatever but like what does
that mean yeah like I was struggling like what does that mean well that's perfect actually that
you brought all that into it is it perfect because that would that would be sure
You know.
Thanks, Kyle.
Thanks, Kyle.
She wouldn't come in.
No, she wouldn't suddenly come in like hard, hard, hard, you know what I mean?
That's not who she is.
So everything that you were going through was perfect.
Thank you, Kyle.
Perfect.
You should direct.
No, no.
No.
You're so smart.
I'm not good with people.
No, I'm just, are you insane?
You're so good with people.
Well, thank you.
What about, what about, moving on?
What about the whole, remember the whole wedding thing that we did?
Oh, my God, yes.
Insanity.
My favorite moment of all that was the gentleman who played Kim's Paramoire in that moment.
Was it, is it Richard?
Is she with Richard by that?
His Scottish accent.
Do you remember him?
Oh, wait, what's that guy's name?
And I was like, and he'd make out a word every now and then.
And I said, years later, when I was playing golf in Scotland,
and I have a Scottish coach.
And I said, oh my God.
I said, it's the same accent.
Wow.
I can't understand a word.
He's from the far north of Scotland.
And he would say to me,
Kya, you know, he, yes, me.
And I'd be like, that's good.
Excuse me?
And I would sit for a minute, kind of there.
And I'd be like, like thinking like I knew it, like listening to his comments.
And I'd be like, I'm just trying to figure out what the hell he said.
I can't figure that.
And then I would, then I would go, oh, okay, I think I got it.
You know what I would say, oh, okay.
And then he'd say something else.
And I'd have to take a minute to.
think about.
And like, we played it in your head.
Yeah, I just loved, he was so fun.
That's funny.
I didn't remember him at all.
Who was it?
Wow.
I don't remember him, but I mean, good that they brought a Scottish should wear the
kilt and whatnot.
Yeah, I don't even know if he was truly Scottish or not.
He just, I think he just was doing something crazy.
Oh my God.
But he was, he was truly wonderful.
That was a whole really fun.
It was a beautiful set, I remember.
So incredible.
Yeah, yeah, it was pretty cool.
So beautiful.
And such, like, we joke about it.
it with the girls because I have pictures of them sleeping on the pews because that's how long
we were there, you know, which is like very much our MO, not our personal MO, but the
show's MO, right? Everything took forever. But I also have pictures of me, like, in the courtyard
of that church. Like, they had to, I couldn't sit down. Like, I needed a leaning board for the dress
because that huge Vera Wang. And so I'm sitting and, like, funny on like weird purges and whatever,
like just so thrilled. Like, I'm actually getting married, which I actually don't even care
about, right? But it's like the enthusiasm of Charlotte was inhabiting me, do you know what I mean?
And I'm just beaming. I'm so excited. And the girls are so mad. Well, it's a crazy thing because
rarely were all the cast members together like that. I mean, I know in each episode there was always
a moment when all the four of you came together and kind of hashed out stuff. We're not there.
So it was rare when I was there. I think there was one dinner sequence when I was there with the girls
And I remember, I only think I remember it was a restaurant.
It was one of the oldest restaurants in New York.
Oh.
Where we went.
And I don't even remember where it was.
Me neither.
Somewhere in the theater district.
Well, I don't even remember this.
I think it started with a B.
I don't even remember.
Anyway, that was one.
And it was an all night one.
So we were all like completely like, oh, my God.
Right.
And then the wedding sequence was another one.
And I love the fact that the writers, like, they took me,
Kyle McLaughlin, and they said, okay, we're going to lean into the Scottish side of thing.
So they had me wearing a.
Kilt, you know, which was also brilliant because it was like, oh, he's wearing the dress
and the relate, you know, it was like, it was like, oh, there's layers here.
Absolutely.
That the writers are thinking about it.
We're just so clever.
So good.
So good.
Oh, my God.
So good.
For the show.
And the only other thing I wanted to mention was about, was Francis Franny because, you know, she played that Upper East Side matron, was was Waspe matron so perfectly.
when she would, I don't remember this,
when she would come to the makeup trailer,
she would come in in like,
she'd have like, like she just came off the farm upstate New York.
She had Birkenstocks on,
like short caprice kind of,
and like kind of a blouse,
and like almost a straw hat.
I mean, it was literally like, I'm coming in,
just took off my gardening gloves, you know, on my trowls,
and now I'm ready to turn into,
and they put her in the Chanel and made her up,
and a cigarette,
and suddenly like, wow, what a transformation.
Also, she was scary.
Yeah, she could be really scary, too.
Like, Bunny was scary.
Yeah.
At least I was scared of her.
Yeah.
You know, you probably weren't.
No, she's my mom.
Right.
But, I mean, that part was kind of surprising because Frannie herself was like such a mom vibe.
Oh, yeah.
You know what I mean?
Like so, so warm and lovely.
She took that cigarette in her hand and, oh, watch out, man.
Yeah.
And then before it's Trey.
Oh, my God.
Yes.
Oh, all of it.
Well, I don't think, yes.
Well, we should do this.
All right.
And you realize he just, he just developed his thing.
That's what happened, you know, after years of that.
He's just like, definitely.
All right, better to just give up and because it was, otherwise it was too much of a fight.
That's true.
That's why I think that the cardboard baby and the saying that you wanted to play golf,
I think it was like you had developed you, Trey, had developed this passive aggressive thing with your mom,
like you're, you know, can you have a way out, right?
And so then I push you so far and I really want you present, right?
I'm not going to be okay with the checked out.
I think that was when I have to rewatch it all to be sure.
But like there's a scene that I think Alan Colter, who I had on.
Oh, I love Alan.
Yes.
I love him so much.
And he's one where he, when he showed up, the visuals like leapt up, you know.
He was such a great director.
And he finally remembers a scene that I haven't gotten to in the rewatch.
Because I think it's after we kind of break up and then we get back together.
And we have some kind of a scene about how we love each other, but it's just not enough.
and he had us just leaning against a wall.
Do you remember this, vaguely, like possibly in the kitchen?
Was it outside the door?
Maybe outside the door.
And I'm wearing like my green, my favorite green slip.
I think it was in the doorway, maybe.
Yeah, it might have been.
People will know once they watch this.
They'll tell us.
Yeah, I'll have you back to talk about leaving.
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No, not at all.
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I don't.
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Right.
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When you got off our show,
did you go directly to Desperate Housewives,
or was there...
Do not pass Go, do not collect 200.
I don't remember.
I've sort of lost the timeline
because I think we were in New York
and then Housewives
obviously shot at Universal in L.A.
Right.
I think there was a lag time, and I don't remember when I started...
Did people talk to you about trade?
Like, was it uncomfortable because of the weirdnesses?
In New York, yeah.
I taught me.
At the time, I was like, uh-huh.
I was like, okay.
Right.
You know, that's been from the beginning.
Right.
You know, and I talk about New Yorkers and how, you know, the occasional person,
sometimes I would say, you know, the dormant in New York.
You know, they're also, you know, outspoken and, you know, friendly and kind of, you know, would say,
Hey, buddy, good luck.
I know you can do it.
I know you can get it.
You know, thanks.
Hey, thank you.
Thank you, Mr. Dorman.
Okay.
You know, stuff like that.
Right, right, right.
Occasionally, you know.
But it was, you know, you sort of take it in stride and, you know, a sense of humor.
So for the most part.
Sometimes you're like, yeah.
Right.
Right.
But really, it's so, you know, it's fine.
Good.
And it was, was it fine then?
Or was it annoying?
You know, it was annoying, yeah, actually.
But honestly.
Because I mean, it's an embarrassing.
Yeah, but as an actor, you're like, you know, let's, how do we find the truth in this?
He has an issue.
He doesn't want to deal with that together they're trying to find a way through this.
Right.
And I sort of in my mind, I said, well, maybe this indirectly will somehow help somebody
or maybe they can talk about it with a brand or I don't know, thinking there might be a,
there's a positive, there's an upside here somewhere.
Well, I think the shining truth on anything is good.
Right.
So the three people that I helped, I'm so, I hope that helped.
My embarrassing moment.
I mean, that's the other thing that was interesting.
I mean, as the four of us, we all had many problems, obviously,
and we would fall down or did you get the pie in the face
either literally or figuratively or whatever, obviously.
But we were on there and we were, you know, the show was about us, right?
But then for the guys, often, and sometimes it would just be one episode, right?
Like Bobby Cannavallay is in with the bunkies bunk.
And Bobby's a great actor, right?
Yeah, there were other ones that I felt, okay, at least I didn't have that.
Totally.
Because sometimes I ask these guys to come on the show
And then they don't want to come to the show
And I'm so hurt that they don't want to come to the show
And then I would realize what they have to talk about
That come on and be humiliated within an inch of your life
I would never humiliate further
I would just give them the time to talk about it
Because they were such good sports to come on
You know and that's true for you too
Because of course I don't even remember
Like I had it on my Instagram I was like
I don't even remember why like why did it end
And they were like oh there were so many problems
There was this and there's that
I think it was kind of, we got to find a way out of this.
So they want to take you on another journey, obviously.
Right.
This one had kind of, and honestly, it'd say it had been two seasons, I think.
It had, right?
Yeah, so it was a long.
I'm not even clear.
I'm not even clear in my mind.
Yeah, I mean, certainly longer than five or four.
But I think that you were speaking earlier,
but one of the strengths of the show you were talking about here,
everyone had an issue.
And I said, was that they presented these wonderful, glamorous, fantastic friends,
but they were human.
Yes.
You know, and everybody had issues that they were struggling through.
Yes.
And so many people, I'm sure, watched the show to go, oh, God, I'm going through exactly the same thing.
Right.
How do I handle this, you know?
I mean, I think that's true.
And I also think that it's like, from what people tell me, because there's also been these very interesting phases.
Like, there's this phase during COVID of, like, people saying that Carrie's awful and she's a narcissist.
Right.
People had too much time, obviously, during COVID.
Too much.
You really sit and watch it.
One time, so Jessica said, like, I just don't understand what's, what, what is this on the online?
And I was like, don't even think twice about it.
Because basically, number one, you were a full character.
That was the point, right?
Like, how would we have ever gone on in the way that we have if she was somehow worked out?
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
Like, nobody's really worked out anyway, right?
But I think it's very unusual.
Like, you will have Tony Soprano who literally kills people.
but is the star of that show and much beloved, right?
And then if you have a complex woman,
people are like, she's a narcissist, she's not,
she's made a bad choice.
You know, like there's an unfair judgment.
But part of that is because if you think about the women characters
that we get, certainly in terms of television
and long-term characters,
they kind of have to be like lawyers or doctors
or, you know, like Meredith Gray, you know,
where you're, you know,
The hero, I think.
I mean, I don't watch that show for 21 episodes,
seasons, sorry, you know what I'm saying?
But, like, Carrie was a flawed individual,
and that was what it was supposed to be,
as were the rest of us.
Everybody was flawed.
Everybody in the, everybody was flawed on the show.
Exactly.
And you had the same time, lovable and, like,
and recognizable and identifiable.
And you could align.
That's why people are like, are you aligned with, you know,
are you a child, or charmed it or whatever.
And I think, because I think we were,
there were this examples,
you were demonstrating examples,
you know, how to handle and not to handle a situation.
Also, I think from what people say now,
when they talk about like re-watching it,
like someone came on and she'd just been through a breakup
and she was like, you know, I just watched it again
and it's totally different to watch it
when you're going through a breakup
than it is to watch it when you're in a couple, right?
And I was like, that's really interesting.
It's hard to be objective, of course, right,
having been in it.
But I love to hear that.
And then Adam Scott came on
and talked about how he watched it
the first time he had COVID.
he had COVID pre-vaccine.
So he was like took himself away from his family
and was trying not to get anyone else sick
and trying to spend his time with something.
So he really felt, he said he really felt like we were there for him.
Which is so adorable.
Isn't that so adorable?
Because he had a fever, right?
I know. And I was like, I'm so glad we were there for you, Adam.
Like we want to be there for you, you know?
But the fact that you can feel like we're real people
is a testament to the fact that they wrote us as flood real people.
Yeah.
know, and that was also that thing where the writers would have to have some basis of the story, right?
And you know what's interesting about that?
I have never asked them, I don't know who the basis for Trey was, like how they, you know,
like, was there a person who had some similar?
Because usually there are rules that they had to have, like, one degree of separation from the story, right?
Yeah.
But I never asked because I was so in it, you know what I mean?
Well, that was always the, that was always the game, right?
It's like, who is this person based upon within the New York's, you know,
community. Right. Right. Who is it? Do we know them? How well did we know them? Are we going to have
to talk to them about this on a red carpet at some point? Do you know what? And then also when we did,
especially when we went back to doing just like that, we would have to figure out amongst ourselves
which writer or writer's spouse this was about, right? Oh my gosh. Really? Oh, God. Yeah. Because they
wouldn't always tell us and we would just be like, do you think that maybe this is about? Because then you
had to be careful with what you might say or the questions you might ask. And you needed to know which
writer was going to have the best information to give you.
That's interesting, you know, I know, it's pretty interesting.
Incestuous, oh my lord, very close.
It is a little incestuous, but in a good way.
In a good way, yeah. Right? I think.
Listen, if you can't base things upon people that you know in situations, is that that's,
what makes it so recognizable, identifiable, identifiable, intriguing, interesting, compelling, you know, all of those things.
Which makes me want to ask you about overcompensating.
Oh, yes.
It's so much fun.
Oh my gosh, Benny, Benito Skinner, Benny, Benny, Benny drama.
Right?
He is such a lovely, lovely man.
And Mary Beth.
Oh, Mary Beth is awesome.
Right?
Yeah, overcompensating was a really, really a fun experience.
Benny and Scott King, who kind of helped him, from what I understand, helped kind of mentor him through this process of writing and telling his story, his story of coming out, was, it was just such a, I remember reading the script and thinking, this is really funny.
Yeah, it's really good.
I love that every character had a very distinct voice.
And you could see it.
You know, it was a very visual script.
Those are so nice when you can,
you see the action as you're reading.
And I love the idea of the character of the dad.
And it was just, I mean, all across the board,
just the greatest experience.
We shot up in Toronto for,
it wasn't long,
it didn't take long from my parts.
We were just kind of isolated, you know.
And Connie Britton was the wife.
And she was.
So great.
I was such a big fan of hers.
And I just felt we have,
we created between me playing his father and her as a mom.
We had this relationship that was,
that was interesting and,
and ridiculous and completely understandable.
You know,
being together so many years that we're both going kind of different directions.
We're both,
we both love and hate each other, you know.
It was very, felt very true.
Nice.
I loved it.
I loved it.
You're very funny.
Thank you.
You're out there.
Yeah.
Man, and you're on some show
that I haven't watched with either.
Ethan, Huck.
Oh, yes.
I want to see this.
Is it good?
Do you enjoy?
Yeah, really good.
What part do you play?
So it's, we're set in Tulsa, and I'm a, I'm a gentleman, I'm running for governor.
I come from a very wealthy money family.
Okay.
And Ethan plays an investigative reporter who's kind of, in his own words, is a truth, is a truth storian.
Okay.
So he's all about telling the truth of Tulsa.
And, of course, Tulsa has a very interesting past.
Okay.
And he is, Ethan is really wonderful, and he worked with Sterlin Harjo, who is our director, who had directed Reservation Dogs, as they call it, which I had seen and was remarkable, also set in Tulsa.
He's local there.
Interesting.
And so he wrote this script and this idea and worked closely with Ethan, and then I came in, this is my fourth time working with Ethan, which is so much fun.
Yeah, I really enjoy.
I love Ethan.
He's so great.
So great.
You know what I think I like him about the most is the fact that his process is so collaborative
and that the ultimate goal is to make the scene the best it can be,
which means that he's rooting for his, you know, the actor who's there also with him or actors or situations,
how to make the scene better.
And if it means, you know, doing something else that he hadn't planned to do, he's like all on board.
Let's make it the best.
And he and I work really well together because we're both have that kind of vibe, you know.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And it's on right now.
and a really good.
It's a great character for me.
I get to play, again,
someone who you think you know
who is at the very beginning
and then he turns into something else
towards the end.
Interesting.
And cool cast.
I can't wait to watch it.
Yeah, I think you'll enjoy it.
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Yes.
That's good.
Are you up to over there?
What am I even doing?
Well, the podcast is called What Are We Even Doing?
And I completely agree.
It's very...
Like in life?
In life.
It's all about...
So I...
Yeah, so I've started social.
I've got this social present.
I am out there.
I mean, people are into it.
Engaging.
I love the creative parts of social media.
That's how I treat it.
And it's really for me it's about fun and entertainment.
Occasionally I'll point to, you know, a cause or a person that I think is like,
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But really, it's about making people laugh.
And I have a wonderful, I have a wonderful crew.
So Desiree Gruber, my wife's full picture and the chief content officer, who's with us today.
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And so we work together on this.
So it's a collaborative process.
I'm, you know, very engaged and very involved and kind of up for anything.
They bring me ideas.
I see that, Kyle.
It's so impressive.
It's all good.
I think there might even have been a reference to a cardboard baby at one point in time in the past.
Oh, yes.
I'm not kidding.
We dig deep.
We dig deep.
We dig deep.
Get on it.
So that's been really fun.
And then that's sort of led into this because it's very much a connection with a younger generation.
Right.
And so that's sort of opening up the idea of like maybe there's a way that I can sort of infiltrate this world and begin to understand what's happening with the young millennials and Gen Z.
We need an interpreter.
Yes.
Yes, we need an interpreter.
I brought a glossary.
Oh, fantastic.
I've been a man on the street.
I'm very excited.
Yeah, and I've got some field notes here that I'm bringing back from the generation.
So there are definitely the slang.
You've probably heard about this.
I have a 14-year-old.
Okay, so you are very aware of the slang.
I mean, some of it.
I could actually, I could ask you a couple questions about some of the words and see if you, if that's come up in conversation.
Go ahead. Test me. Go ahead. Chopped would be a good word.
Chopped.
Okay, hold on.
I feel like I feel like I.
I should know this.
Yeah.
It kind of,
I mean,
it's, it,
I think it's a positive.
It kind of eludes.
Is it a positive?
It's actually not.
Okay.
Oh, dear.
Oh, I'm bad.
You are definitely not chopped.
I'm not chopped.
Okay, so that's a good thing
to not be chopped.
Yeah, chopped.
Yeah, chopped.
Ugly.
Yeah.
Oh, no.
Not good looking.
Not attractive.
That's right.
It's chopped.
Okay.
Okay.
Thank you, Kyle.
It's a little bit like cockney rhyming slang,
you know,
where you say one word,
got it means something else
and you have to know
interpretation.
Unk is another good one
I just heard this recently too
You're up on it babe
I don't know I don't know
These are all this all just come this directly
I'm coming right to you from the source
I love it I love it I love it
What's Unk?
Unk is old
Yeah
So I'm I'm approaching Unk
I'm definitely unk
I think we're both Unk compared to these people
You are not Unk
I think I am baby I think I am
Then there's a very interesting one which is
Can I say this
boy or soft boy
You know I have heard this
Okay okay okay okay okay
I literally still feel like I do not know
the definition.
Well, this, this came directly from Geraldine.
Okay.
Please tell me.
Nathan, who was a guest on my, on my podcast.
And the Foy is someone that is very clearly there for one thing and one thing only.
Well, that's pretty simple.
Right, very straightforward.
Okay.
Softboy, on the other hand, if I'm, if I'm understanding this correctly, I may be corrected online.
We'll find out.
Softboy comes across as like very gentle and it's got all your...
But he's not.
But he's not.
He's in there for one thing.
So it's a wolf, it's a wolf and sheep's clothing.
Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.
This is super interesting.
Yeah, glad to know.
Yeah, some of the, some of those things.
You know, there's others, DeLulu, of course, brain rot.
I know Cap, yeah, good.
Cap, yeah, good.
Cap, I find a bit confusing.
I don't know why we need that word for that, but okay.
Yeah.
No, I think it's, this is all good.
I've had, um, the one that I really love is put the fries in the bag.
What does that mean?
It just means, end it.
Put the fries in the bag.
Okay.
Yeah, I'm going to use that.
Put the fries in the bag.
I'm going to use that.
because I need my kids to move quicker.
Well, that's what you put the fries in the bag.
Put the fries in the bag.
You say after them and they're going to look at you like, oh, my God, she's seen into our very soul.
Oh, I love it.
I have the situation now where my 14-year-old does not want to hear about six, seven,
but my seven-year-old does.
Seven, makes sense, yeah.
Yes.
But it's sort of nonsense from what I understand.
It's definitely nonsense.
But they were so into it in the summer especially.
Like in the summer, I had girls over for my daughter's birthday.
They made a six-seven cookie.
And I was like, why?
I let it. Can anyone explain?
Here's the news on the 6-7.
Yes.
You say it's group seven.
Okay.
Breaking Gen Z news.
Okay.
Yeah, group seven.
So that's it.
Okay.
Thank you.
I have something to reply.
Good job.
I'm going to continue.
I like it.
I like it.
I like it.
Okay.
So when people come on the podcast, they help you with these things.
Yeah.
There's some things that they come up in the car.
But really I'm there to, I'm really there because I'm curious.
It's all about the creative process for me.
So it's a conversation like we're having, you know, based upon.
on what they're doing or what they're about to do,
what they've come from.
It's like how they started, what's important,
their authenticity, of course,
and also talking a little bit about, you know,
kind of just whatever moves them, you know what I mean?
And how they use social.
And so this is all, this is part of an exploration
and a conversation.
And I realized, you know, I know, and you're probably the same way,
I know my mentors, I know the people that I admired growing up,
you know, James Dean,
and Martin Brown, these were people,
Monty Cliff.
These are people that I read everything about, wanted to emulate.
And I'm like, I realize I don't have, I don't look back and sort of see who's coming up that I really am aware of or respond to.
And so I've started to do.
That's a good point.
Wonderful interview with Dylan O'Brien, young actor, who I really admire.
And, you know, it's just an opportunity to speak with them about, hey, what, how are you finding this journey that we're on as artists?
Yeah.
That's good.
Yeah, I think that's great.
Well, that's partly what I love about Marybeth and Benny.
You know, like to see young people where they're self-made.
They've just found their own way.
Yeah.
Like Benny on, you know, Instagram.
Yeah.
Initially first started on Instagram.
The Kardashians.
Yeah.
Like, wow.
And then had the forethought to put it on YouTube.
It's incredible.
Yeah.
And Mary Beth, I mean, they were both stand-ups, which I didn't really realize.
But, you know, like Benny kind of like just creatively found that way.
And then here he is also.
able to do the more traditional media.
Yeah.
Though obviously, yeah, it's got King help, which is great, but like, it's his own story.
You know, it's really, it's so impressive.
It is impressive.
And the way they're using social media to self-generate.
Yes.
And it's really, it's really, yeah, it's amazing.
And it's hard work.
Yes.
To have a social presence as I'm discovering.
Oh, my God.
Oh, I have help too.
Yeah, it's hard work.
Oh, because if you're just by yourself, I mean, first of all, like, oh, man, I rely on my
ladies.
They're here.
but you know like because you can't research all the trends and everything
and when they first came over I mean I didn't sleep the night before
I was so nervous yeah I was like what am I gonna do I had to clean the house
because like we're not used to just filming in our house and stuff you are Charlotte I mean
I've been realizing all along you know I had to clean the house that is so funny
do you clean before the cleaners come do you do that kind of thing sometimes sometimes I
tidy a little bit now that I have two children I've relaxed oh yeah everything was
different before the kids before they
kids, I mean, you were spotless.
Yes.
And I mean, there was no clutter, right?
And I loved it.
Yeah.
It was fantastic.
I'm trying to get back.
You've given up.
Yeah.
I did pretty much give up.
And now I'm like, this is stressing me out.
Yeah.
You know?
I find that if I have one space in my house that is uncluttered.
And so I have a little gym.
It was my garage.
And that's kind of my space.
Nice.
However.
Yeah.
Because I don't have any other place to sort of put stuff.
Uh-oh.
Inevitably, I find there's three boxes in here that I did not put in here.
And I become really, and I'm like, excuse me, excuse me.
These have to be removed right now.
Good for you.
I like my little, yeah.
That's good.
That's all I need is one little area.
Listen, I've lost all my areas.
My areas are gone.
I mean, I have this house.
I got this bigger house when I had the second, when I adopted him, I got this bigger house
so that everyone could have space.
That was my idea that we'd have a playroom, you know, with the toys.
Because at my old house, like, I was living under toys.
You know, it just like takes over.
Takes over.
It's insane.
So I got this playroom, and I was like, the toys are going to stay in the playroom.
Well, no one told the seven-year-old, right?
So now I've got like, you know, these bay blades?
What the heck?
Was your son not into these?
What is it?
It's a weird thing.
Is it the tops that fight?
Yes, and they're so loud.
For a moment.
Yeah, for a moment he had a thing.
But I don't think he really appealed.
He had other stuff that he was in here.
Scares the dog.
It's like a situation.
We've got them everywhere, okay?
Yeah.
And then we've got Legos everywhere.
Oh, Legos.
Oh, my God.
Yeah, you've got to be careful.
And then we've got, still toy cars.
Yeah, toy cars will stay forever.
Legos, in fact, stay forever.
Which, I mean, Legos are great.
Yeah.
Right?
My son still loves Legos.
A pain.
I love Legos.
Well, I mean, I do sit down and do Legos.
My son thinks I'm bad at it.
And he tells me you are not good at Lego's mommy.
They have a facility about it.
They look at the thing and go, which I think is great.
It's made.
Right?
They're building.
Building is great.
Yeah.
But I guess I'm not that good at it.
But also, I look at it as, like, resting, right?
Like, mommy's going to rest a little and build a wall.
You build, you build characters.
That's what you do.
Thank you, Carl.
That's so sweet.
I try.
I do my best, man.
It's not easy.
It's not easy, man.
I know.
I know.
Well, the toy thing does eventually move.
I can't wait.
I mean, we're at that point where we've got the little toys that need to go.
Yeah.
But see, I need some help.
Yeah.
I need some help.
I wish when I was, because I had two younger brothers from growing up.
Yeah.
And we had, that was kind of the advent of Hot Wheels.
Oh, yeah.
We've got a lot of those.
And we had tons of Hot Wheels first run Hot Wheels.
Oh, wow.
And you didn't keep them.
No.
Goodwill.
And which I understood, you know, there's a lot of toys.
I mean, we had a lot of toys.
But I do think back on some of the early games.
And I said, I wish we had the original.
Yeah.
I don't know what we'd do with it.
Honestly.
I know.
You'd have to be in a box somewhere on the shelf.
But I'd be like, I know, I know.
And occasionally, yeah.
I'm with you.
I have this memory game that I don't know.
I had as a child and it's so vintage.
And somehow the pairs are in there and seven-year-old has discovered the memory game.
So now at 6 a.m., when the coffee hasn't really hit, I have to play the memory game.
But I'm like, this is good.
This is good for, you know, anti-dementia.
Yeah, it's impossible.
Yes, yes, that's impossible.
But it's also like these vintage 70s cards, which is like just kind of a miracle, right?
So it does make you really, when something survives, you know, you appreciate it.
But you know what I realized?
I forgot to ask you, Kyle, are you a Charlotte?
Yes, definitely a Charlotte.
Yay, yeah, without question.
Love it.
Yeah, I feel you are too.
Yeah, didn't even have to think about it.
Yes, I feel you are too.
I just wanted to double check.
Oh, yeah.
And it's my official thing I have to do, right?
Yes, of course.
Absolutely.
Thank you.
Of course you're a Charlotte.
Yeah.
Kyle, you're a dream.
That was so much fun.
I know.
Thank you for being here, and you need to come back.
I will come back.
I really enjoyed it.
It's so fun to rehash with you and hear your perspective on things and have those memories.
And also you remembered a lot.
I did okay, right?
You did great.
Well, I was saying before, your prompts were very good.
Thank you.
Thank you very much.
Yeah, I remember quite a lot.
It was such a really, it was a wonderful period of time of my life.
And I really enjoyed it.
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And you were, and we're so lucky that you were with us.
Thank you.
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The IHeart Podcast Awards are coming back in 2026.
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Deadline, December 7th.
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