Are You A Charlotte? - Charlotte’s Wylie Coyote with Brian Van Holt... (S2 E10 "The Caste System")

Episode Date: August 21, 2025

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We still have the amazing Brian Van Holtz. What worked so incredibly well for the part of Wiley is that you knew the character that you were playing, but you weren't that. Right. So there's a sweetness underneath where you totally understand why Charlotte is so excited and so into you, right?

And then this kind of goes in a horrible direction. And thank God she got up. Because I was like, I don't remember what happens now because I blocked this whole part out, right? And thank God I get up and very politely leave. Thank God, right? But you, to me, that's a great combination of when you know the milu that you're playing, like the life, the people, what they're like, but you're not actually that.

Of course. Well, thank you. I certainly hope not. Yeah. Yeah. It was good. All right. Let's recap a little.

So let's say again, Alison Anders directed such a joy to work with her. Absolutely. That was, what a gift. What a phenomenal director. I know. I was such a privilege to be able to. And have her on the pride, don't you think? She was so nice and so kind and so, such a great director in allowing me to just do, you know, what I do.

And also, they made me feel comfortable because, again, I was pretty, you know. Well, I couldn't tell it all. I was really nervous. But she was so sweet. So sweet. Like, so positive. I had never had a director just be like, good, baby, good. Right.

Do you remember how she'd be like, very nurturing? Yeah, I feel great. Yeah, exactly. You'd be like, okay. I feel like, just do it again. Like, so easy. I love her. Love it.

So much, me too. And then Darren Starr wrote this, which I didn't realize at this point that he's still actively writing. I thought he was kind of a little bit moving on to his next show. But no, he's still around. He's writing, which is cool, because I love this episode. You wrote that line, I bet. I bet he did. Let's not even think about that anymore.

Are we going to avoid that? So keep going on. What else do you have on your list? Okay, can I say, when we, I have the whole show on my list. It's a lot. But I know, we're going to talk about the important parts. So one of the things that I love when I'm rewatching, you have so many feelings watching.

I mean, I do as an actor, but also just as a viewer, like it lets me be objective as a viewer. So when this episode starts and it has those beautiful shots of New York in the spring. It was that? The whole opening of it, that felt the same way when I saw that when I rewatched it. The whole opening of the episode, it's a thing. Springtime in New York is so special and it's so beautiful for some of the shots that she was using.

but it's that vibe, it's that feeling, and I know you know what I'm talking about. It's, it, the town just goes from such a positive energy. Magical. It's magical. It's magical. It's a thing. It's a thing.

They did. So right at the top of the show, you're just flooded with feelings. I love that. It's so impressed by us, you know, in respect. It's amazing. So we hear Carrie. She's giving us a voiceover. And she's talking about how she wants to tell Big that she loves him.

This is what her theme of the episode. Each of us are, we're now getting to where the kind of themes are playing into each character really, really well, weaving them together, which I thought was great. And she wants to tell them, and, you know, this is one of those times where I really have been having this love, hate thing with Big when I'm looking back on it, right? Which I never had at the time. I never thought twice about how I felt about the big character while we were on it. Of course, I love the big character. You personally? Yeah, me personally.

I haven't thought about it. You know what I mean? Because you're playing your character. Of course. you're not really thinking about it objectively. At least I'm not, I'm not that kind of actor. But when I look back on it, and also everyone has so much to say in social media about that, which I get, I totally get.

And sometimes I just hate him passionately, hate him, like that withholding guy. It was such a thing we all went through and we just thought it was normal and whatever. It's still happening, obviously. But like, at least there's conversation around it and deeper understanding, I think, of like that you need to ask for more and or walk away. You know what I'm saying? Like, I know, I know from, I'm not that guy. I'm the exact opposite.

I don't think you're that guy. Yeah, yeah. But, yeah, I hear you. No fault. No fault. No fault. I hear you. But this is one of the times when Big is actually adorable.

Thank God. I thought the same thing. Good, yeah. Chris Nothen. I actually was for, I hung out with him a bunch of times back in the day. I'm sure you did. And, um, but there's a moment where I hadn't seen him be vulnerable. Yes.

Ever. Yes. And in that episode. He really is. You know what I mean? Moments. Moments. Not the whole time.

Yeah, I hit a moment, like, you know, even when his look on his face when she tusses his hair. Definitely. You know what I mean? Yeah, because you know he hates that. He hates it, but he just went to, he went back to being a 10-year-old kid. Definitely. It was adorable. It was adorable.

Adorable. And this, really funny, just for the girlie is listening, this is when big kids carry the supposedly semi-ugly Judith Lieber, which this was so funny, the little sparkled back. The thing that's funny. The thing that's funny. funny about it is that to me, now obviously there's the animal Judith Lieber, then there's like the classic Judith Lieber. Like Judith Lieber was such a part of our whole life that at one point HBO gave us Judith Lieber's as a rap gift. But they weren't animals. I'm acting like, yeah, I know what Judith Lieber is. I know, you don't care. You don't care. It's adorable.

It's adorable. But it's funny because, and also in the movie, it ends up being a huge point because my little fake child puts Carrie's phone in her cupcake, Judith Lieber, that I have bought her like a $4,000 purse to go to the wedding, which is insane, but very Charlotte. And that's why Carrie doesn't get Biggs calls when he's not going to come to the wedding. God, I remember. So Judith Lieber is a huge through line for a show.

But it's funny because Carrie's so upset about not liking it's a swan, right? Is it a swan? Does that what it says? You can't really even tell what the heck it is. It's an animal purse. Yeah, it looks like a duck. It looks like a duck on when I watch it. It does.

It does. And then they go to this party where all the women, and have different animal and it's on Park Avenue and Carrie hates Park Avenue which is interesting right because Charlotte ends up living on Park Avenue I was like oh my gosh but obviously this was kind of like a different group it was like Biggs

friends and not her friends and then she gets together with or it doesn't get together with whatever something does something with this young waiter guy who's a performance artist but also produces a flower out of his hand which would imply that he's a magician right so I was a little confused you too performance artist and is that is he a clown

with the form of the fake rose comes on. He's like, a mom, I'm right? I know, but he's adorable. So who cares, right? Jeremiah. And I have to say, because out of order here, it is one of my all-time favorite Sir Jessica moments

when she is walking down the street with that guy singing Jeremiah was a pro. She is so great. Yeah. And she's drunk, but she's not stereotypical drunk. No. She's singing and then she goes up the wrong stairs. She goes up the wrong stairs.

She's like, I don't live here. It's so good. I thought to say. Same thing when I saw that scene. And she and that guy, whoever his name is, I'm an incredible. Sam. Sam Ball. Great.

Yeah, he's great. I didn't even get to meet him or work with him at all, I don't think. Yeah. I was so good. He was, yeah, it was a sweet guy, too. Oh, he seems like a sweet guy. And she had great chemistry with him. 100%, yeah.

He was good. Very handsome dude, too. He's like a movie star. And, like, funny and loose. And it's interesting because at that point, so Big has started out being adorable, and then we go to this party and he's super not adorable. because he's like with these uptight people, right? And that lady who's having the party is like bitchy to carry.

And he seems to not care, which is not cool, right? And I'm like, yes, leave with the cute guy waiter. Leave with the cute guy waiter, Carrie. I support that. And it's interesting because I also think when we're looking back because there's been this whole thing where people talk about Carrie being narcissistic, which I think is very misplaced criticism. I think she's a very complex character that we've had for 30 years.

And you're hearing her internal. right voiceover right of course she seems narcissistic in a lot of ways yeah yeah yeah yeah I mean yeah yeah I do I do and also like why can't a woman be complicated and complex and never do not not never do the right thing sometimes do not do the right thing do you know me of course I mean right yeah I mean we we are all complicated women are complicated absolutely men are complicated right like men can be serial killers and still be the lead of a show and much beloved right you're mean you've played one yes exactly exactly exactly Yeah. It's a very common thing. And everybody's like, that's the hot actor, the one who plays the stereo character killers. You know, it's weird, right? If you think about it.

It is. You know, we all have our quirks and wrinkles. Of course. And what kind of an interesting character wouldn't? Exactly. Right. So then, okay, let's keep going. So I agree with you. That's unfair. Thank you so much, Brian. Right? I mean, it's unfair. I think it was unfair at the time that there was kind of a general, kind of a sexist conversation about these four women talking about their sex loves. I mean, obviously. we still succeeded, but to us, we just heard the criticism of, like, kind of the fascinating, though, but it was interesting to see what, you know, it did, and I'll say mostly men, obviously, would get intimidated or upset about the show. And I was like, I have four sisters, so I know what it's like. Awesome. And I go, and I'm like, what are you,

do you guys, just quit being so weak. I was really surprised by a lot of the opposite sex reaction to your show. I'm glad you remember it, because some people don't even remember it and look at me funny when I talk about it. I'm like, no. It was a big deal. I'm like, no, they were upset. It was a change. It was a big.

Some dudes would say they, you know, ruin my dating life, man. I was like, no, you ruined your dating life, dude. Good call, Brian. Don't project your issues onto these beautiful women. Thank you. Excellent job. Okay, then we have a really adorable storyline with Miranda and Steve.

I had not remembered this either. It's so incredibly good. How good was that moment? Oh, my God. Higgenberg is just so great. She's so great. So good. And the door scene when he breaks up.

I wanted to cry right there. Me too. She's so good. I know. She's just so good overall, obviously. She's so incredible. And he's so good, too. Sorry, I'm going to take away from me.

He's great. Yeah, he's amazing, too. They're both incredible. So basically, Miranda, who's trying to climb the ladder at her law firm. She wants to be made partner. This has been true since the show started, right? To hold through line for her. And she's dating this bartender.

We have a very funny and interesting conversation about money and dating. That's in this episode, right? Yeah, no, you had the most memorable scene of the show with the, you guys are getting pedic, oh, sorry, am I blown it for you? No, okay. You're good. The pedicure scene, go ahead.

It's a good scene, right? It's amazing. Yes, and like, interesting. All driven by you, too, by the way, you delivered the hammer and it was so good. Like, like with the truths, you know? So basically, we're talking about dating and money, which I think is still such. a big, big topic, right? Like, did you watch White Lotus?

Of course, yeah, yeah. And you know that beautiful girl who's dating the guy who we think killed Jennifer Coolidge, but he didn't or what he says he didn't, whatever, I don't know what's true. Thank you so much, he's so good. He's amazing. And, you know, he's got the boat and the money

and everything that he inherited. I was also up for that role. No! Oh, my God. Mike goes, you're just not right for it. You are not right for that part. I agree with Mike. Jonathan, yeah, but I just throwing you like, I really wanted it to...

You're connected to everything, Brian. Well, if I'm old... No, you're not. I'm old, too, babe. I'm old. No, being connected is great. You know what I love Mike. What a great...

What a great person, isn't he? He's such a... I love him, too. And do you remember when, so they're all those beautiful girls on the boat? And is it, um, Parker's like, why are all these beautiful women with these ugly men? Exactly. You know, it's so interesting, right? Like, because it's still, it's still an important conversation to have.

100%. Right? But yet somehow it's expected that the rich men who are older are going to have the beautiful young girlfriend slash wannabe wife and that that's cool. But it's not okay to have a rich woman who is dating a bartender because that's somehow not okay. And so the end of the storyline in this particular episode, as we know, it's not the end of Miranda and Steve. But the end is that, you know, basically Steve says, I feel uncomfortable. She tries to buy him an $1,800 suit to go. go to this very, you know, she-she law firm party. He won't let her buy it. He's uncomfortable. I totally get that. I feel that it's an uncomfortable thing in a relationship, you know, that someone is... I've been there. Me too.

In different ways. But I've been exactly in that sort of similar position. So I totally understand that dynamic. But go ahead. Because there's a brilliant... Because when he comes and says to her, he comes on the evening that they're supposed to go to the party and she's ready and waiting. And he comes and he's wearing jeans and a t-shirt.

and she says, why are you dressed like that? And he says, I can't go. I took the suit back. I couldn't afford it. And she's like, oh, but da. And then he goes, you're an amazing lady. I believe he says. And she goes, are you breaking up with me?

Because I'm successful, basically. And he says, no, I don't mean it like that. And she's so emotionally present and moved and upset and, like, devastated, really. Because it's true. It's like, what her line was, I'm being punished for being successful. Yeah. And that's pretty profound. and there's a lot of truth to it, obviously.

I so relate. And it's still to this day. I know it, right? I think it still exists to this day. Why can't we fix this? We're going backwards in a lot of certain areas, too, I think, in our culture. But it's, it is still, it's interesting that it's a real thing. Even this, we know, this, this time arrived was like 25, almost 30 years ago.

Yep. And it's still completely true. Exactly. Unbelievable. It is unbelievable. Right? But I love the writing and I obviously love the acting and they're so good together and you so want them to work. But you can also understand, you can totally understand her viewpoint of like, why can't you just be okay with this?

Yeah. Just let me buy you a suit. Who cares? Right? But as a guy, I think the way men are conditioned, it's not okay. Well, he has in line, too, it was, I get it. But it's also came off. It's like also pathetic and weak.

But he's like, you know, I don't feel good. about myself when I'm around you. Right, that's so sad. I'm like, ooh, well, that's not, that's your issue. Right. It's not her. True. You know.

True. And obviously he, I can't remember the details of how they come back together. I can't wait to see. But he's also valid to have those feelings. Yes. It's a very complicated, you know. Yes. Dynamic.

It is. It is. As humans are complicated. For sure. For sure. I totally understand what both those. Me too. And I think society, you know, does a number on people.

You know? And like this whole, the idea when Charlotte says to the girls, you know, you all are pretending that we live in a classless society because they're just talking about money and they're not talking about class. And I say, you know, you can't think about being with a guy whose income is based on tips, which is like so practical and weird. Like I would never say that in life. You know what I mean? It would never occur to me in life. You know what I'm saying? But Charlotte's going to be practical and she's obviously got her end game in mind and she thinks other people too should have the same. end game whatever. But it is true, I think still today, that the class situation in America is complex and not worked out. You know, it's hard. You said, yeah, what is it? It's hard to date outside your class or something. Right. And also it's, I say, I say, yeah, you're ignoring, because they're just talking about the money and Mara. Samantha's like, it's totally, that's not true. You know, women should be able to be successful in date whoever they want, where they have the money or not. And of course, I agree with her. But then Charlotte says, but you all are forgetting class. You're pretending that class doesn't exist. And that's a really true point, I think. And I think

part of what's happening in America currently, culturally, is based in the fact that we have a society that's based on, like, achievement and class, based on achievement, which is not great. You know, it's not a great way to be. No. You know? I know. December 29th, 1975, LaGuardia Airport. The holiday rush, parents hauling luggage, kids gripping their new Christmas toys. Then, at 6.33 p.m., everything changed. There's been a bombing at the TWA terminal. Apparently, the explosion actually impelled metal, glass.

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I know. Going there big time. There wasn't a lot of boundaries to, which was great. It's true. So wait, this is when you come in. I just want to mention how cute that art scene is when you want to buy the fire estate. It's hysterical.

It's so good. The writing on that in that moment is, And it's, I collect art too. Right. One of my best friends is, is a big art consultant, I'll say. Right. So my, I have a lot of experience in that world. And I'm like, but I do some of the ridiculousness of what.

Right. Like, isn't there a banana pill on a wall? Isn't that, is that in those commercials with the Chris's? Yeah. Right. Right. It's real, right? So, but yeah, I mean, some of the, some of the art that I, it's, it's funny.

So you're not wrong to think. that that fire extinguisher in the wall might be the art and that's the one you're going to buy in in Charlotte wasn't wrong either by take it someone's going to think it's exactly you should take it they'll think it's Jeff Coos I know you're going to take it out and sit in the middle of table and that's that's you know totally totally or just put a frame around it put a put a frame around it you know what it becomes art if you just put a frame around it totally that's amazing and but you're so funny and you keep your cool which I think is so amazing like you're so amazing like you're so naturally just cool and calm and collected and I'm so like goofball you know goofball Charlotte

which I really enjoyed watching you know what I mean like it really it took me back to the 90s so much right you know too me too yeah yeah I love it I love it and you're so good then all of a sudden we're in the car making out I mean man it was like smash cut I mean wow I know we yeah I forgot I thought about it, too, until I watched the episode again and smash cut to the limousine. And it was, you know, it was full, you know. That's what you did back then, right? I was like, whoa. Yeah.

Just jump on in there. No intimacy coordinator. No discussion. An intimacy coordinator. Yeah, no. Just go. Yeah, we didn't have that back in the same. We didn't.

We didn't. But it was fun. It was good. You made me feel very, because it's awkward. Yeah. I mean, it's strange. Yeah. And it is, it is a weird thing.

But you're so cool. Thank you. You made it very, you know, very comfortable and, you know, and enjoyable. I'm glad, that's, yes. Yes, I enjoyed it. There was, to be honest, there was a crush for sure. I was, I was the, I was definitely a fan. Oh, that's sweet.

And I am a, I'm a, I'm a Charlotte for sure. Oh, my God. I have a type. If you see my, you know my history a little bit. I have a type. Yes. Yes. You see my wife.

my wife. Oh, I can't wait. I can't wait. I'm so excited. I'm so happy for you. But I definitely had to crush back. And thank God, if you hadn't been dating Manda Pete, I don't know what I would have done. I would have lost my cool in every which way. Do you know what I mean? Right? But I had to keep a veneer of professionalism on top of it. Well, we, I tried. Me too. Me too. But it was funny. You made it very comfortably and awkward, which mostly, most of the times those scenes can be incredibly awkward and weird. But it was, it was a, it was a chemist. It was great.

It was great. It was great. It was great. Which is why I think that's really the only part of the episode I remembered. Selected memories, right? There's that more or no. Yeah, no, there's that crazy bar scene. So this is also when we get to Samantha's kind of bonkers storyline, which I also didn't remember where she's dating this very wealthy man who has a servant.

Oh, my God. The servant's so funny, too. What was her character's name? It's some. She is scary. Funny. Funny. But it's scary.

Yeah. Okay, it's scary. So basically the gist of that storyline is that this man is like, oh, someone's going to take such good care of you. And the second he's gone, she's like, get out of the bed, whore. Like at one boy, he's like, you slut, you are. You're just like, oh, my God. And it was so real, seeing me.

So real. The actress was so good. I don't know her name. But anyway, she was. Gina. Oh. Gina, oh, you did a great job. And it's very terrifying.

And Samantha, of course, is very scared. But there's also this whole facade where she's acting one way to her body. and the other way to the woman with her boss. And in the very end, when I think he tried, oh, he's in the shower. And I guess the lady who works at the house, I hate to say the word servant, comes in and just like, get off the sheets.

I have to wash them. She finds a condom wrapper. Oh, is that what it was, a condom wrapper? Yes. Is that the time on that? Yeah, it must be. I feel like there's a couple scenes with her where she's mean to Samantha. And then the guy comes out, and then the lady pretends

that Samantha hit her. Devastating. I mean, awkward and awful, but I mean, you know, these kind of things happen and it's kind of scary. You know what I mean? I can imagine.

I haven't had too much experience with the servant life. I haven't either, not the servant life, but like complications with people. Like I had this guy who was doing like, what do you call it? Like putting in my video, audio video, what do you call it?

Yeah, it's like a word. Yeah, there's a word. Yes, AV, AV, audiovisual, tech guy. Yeah, yeah. And because I'm a woman, single woman who owns my house and pays for everything, right? And I also have, I think at the time I had an assistant that I had him. So he'd been dealing with the assistant. But one day I came in, he was still there.

And he had his people were there, like, installing wiring or something. And he didn't know who I was. And I was, you know, wearing my regular very unimpressive clothes. And he just turned to me and started to talk. to be like, it's such a mean way. And I was like, what, what's going on? You know what I mean? And I could see the guy behind him who worked for him, knew who I was, right?

But he did not know who I was. And he thought that I might have been the assistant or a different assistant maybe. And he was like, just mean as anything. And I was like, oh, my God, what do I do? What do I do? So I was like, uh, um, should I go and come back? And then he was like, well, I don't know the billing. And I was like, well, I'm the billing.

I'm the billing. And then you could just see his face just like, oh, no, I thought this was a different person. And then he changed back to the person that I'd previously seen, which was super polite. But that's awful. It is, I don't understand that. I know, it's awful. And you could see the guy behind him who worked for him was dying a million deaths, do you know what I mean? But couldn't save it.

I couldn't get in front of him and be like, don't do it. Do you mean? Right? Because I just hate that. I don't want that to be true. Yeah. But in reality, there's things in reality. that we don't want that are true, you know?

It's like somebody, I agree with you. It's horrible and it makes me so uncomfortable when in those moments. Like, for example, you probably had this experience too when you're out to dinner with a friend or whoever. And it's just some people treat waiters with little or no respect. It's upsetting. Especially if you've been a waiter. Oh, exactly. I mean, I was the worst waiter.

Me too. Me too. I was briefly. I got fired. Oh, no. Yeah. I brought out the, this is when I went to UCLA. I graduated right around the corner, by the way.

We're my old stomping grounds. I didn't, the fajitas weren't sizzling enough. Oh, my God. And he goes, take them back. And I'm like, they're hot enough. You eat them. Anyway, I was terrible. But anyway, it's a hard job.

It's a very hard job. And it's like they work their asses off. Yeah. And it just really troubles me when, when. Oh, it's rough, man. It's night or day. I don't take it. I don't accept that.

No, me neither. If you're not nice to the waiter, it's a very, Very, very bad look. Really uncomfortable. I agree. Really bad look. And I don't think the same about you as I did previously to that, basically, just for anyone. I was curious.

Okay, then we're back at this Park Avenue party with Carrie. And then she runs into Jeremiah, who's so adorable with a flower, which is mysterious, as we said. And then we go to, oh, the poor Miranda. I mean, there's really a lot of sadness when you look at this episode, which is interesting because it starts with just that love of the spring. That's right. I didn't even think about that. Yeah, but now that I'm looking at it, that's the other thing when you reflect back,

like how much we could pack into 22 minutes. A lot. So much. A lot. Right? I didn't realize how much you guys did until I watched it again. Right? And just talking to you right now,

realizing, oh, you know, you're going over the episode. That's a lot of information to cover within 20, 22 minutes. It is a lot, and it's highs and lows. Like, it goes. And it works. So somehow it connects and it's smooth and it's, for the most part, seamless.

Yeah, with the editing and everything. It's amazing. We have the same editor on it just like that, and he's an amazing guy. Michael Barronbaum. Thank you very much. There's been a bombing at the TWA terminal. Apparently, the explosion actually impelled metal glass. The injured were being loaded into ambulances, just a chaotic, chaotic scene.

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And then I'm not going to repeat your line. They wrote it down here like I would, you funny people. I'm not going to repeat this line. But thank God you pushed me too far. Your Wiley character pushes me too far. You're not going to repeat the line. I am not. Are you?

You can if you want. Tell me when you said that this would come back to you. How did it happen? So this is for your audience. I won't say that the... Oh, yeah. You're right. The audience needs to know.

No, no. I would... You know, my character got to, you know, again, I've been so blessed in my career. in my career to have delivered something insane one-liners. You know, I told Kyle Seacore, I asked him if he likes my nice, hard ass, you know, over and over again. Oh, my God.

I won't go over all either. There's some, really, there's monumental moments, but this was the Hall of Fame line in moment of my entire career. And I still hear from it. I still get recognized from it. No way. To this day and not really recognized because now I'm, you know, 100 years old. You're not a hundred years old.

And I just look like a baby in that thing. You do look like a baby in the thing. My voice is, I mean, I don't think my balls dropped yet because my voice is, I don't know what that. I didn't notice that. I didn't notice that. I was probably nervous. Oh, that is cute. But, and then I'm like, oh my God, how am I going to do this?

But I just channeled my, you know, my inner douchebag. And I got to deliver the line of like, you know, Charlene, first of all, I would, that guy who wouldn't even, you know, have enough respect to call you by your... Right. Charlene's not a bad name either. No, of course not. It's just not mine. It's like, oh, Charlene, I want you to go to the bathroom, stick your finger in your hoo-ha.

Oh, my God. Come back and let me smell it. I'm like, oh, my God. And the fact that we were able to do that, I'm like, there's no way they're going to let me do this. I'm so sorry. It's okay. It's so funny. It makes me feel stressed like I'm sure I did at the time.

Oh, my God. I mean, it's so interesting. Go ahead. But I'm just saying, like, first of all, I'm like, there's no way after reading. They're going to let me do this on TV. Oh, you didn't realize. I read it. You know how many times I've read a script that was, and then it's changed because of the, you know, the procedures and practices.

Thank you. I forgot about that. Yes. But we didn't have that in HBO. No, I didn't have that. We reveled. You know, especially John from Cincinnati. We definitely didn't have that.

Right. But I couldn't believe I was going to be able to say this and get away with it. And I did. You did. And you know what I like about it? You deliver it. First of all, you start out, like the way you start out, you know, Charlotte is, because I have just brought the drinks for the table, right? And you can see your little mind turning, like, what could I do to her now?

You know, you're just like, what could I come up with now? And you're like, this is what I want you to do. And I'm like, uh-huh. You know? I'm so funny you said it. I think I created as an actor. Like, how am I going to get to this place? Right.

But you did a great job. I made some story, but it was like I just dared or like someone dared me or I just, whatever. Of course, because you do talk to that guy right next to you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you do talk to that guy. Yeah, yeah. The way that you deliver it to me at the time, you do not see what's coming at all. Do you know what I mean? Like, that's what I love the most about it, right?

Like, and you're very charming, right? You're like, this is what I want you to do. And I'm as Charlotte, I'm like, yes, uh-huh, yes. And then you're like, I want you to get up. I want you to go to the bathroom. I'm like, uh-huh. And I'm still halfway. I'm still like, well, this is interesting.

You know what I mean? And then you just deliver it super, super basic. You know what I mean? And I think that was the joy of your choice there. Because you don't deliver it like it is like a crazy, crazy thing to say. That's fun. You know what I mean? It was funny being on the other side of that look.

I was looking at you, your response. When I was in real time, I remember saying and going, oh, my God. I don't think you were acting. You're like, this scoombag. Did you just say it? And you can see, I could tell, I was so, you could tell, when you look at it again, I was, I was, it was awkward for me to even, like, say those lines. For sure, but you really pull it off.

You put it off. You do. I was having such a hard time, like, actually say that. And you could see, like, there's like these little weird quirks that you notice. It's true. That's true. But, oh, my God. But I think it's so great because of the way that it was already set up, right?

That, like, you know, I'm the only one not smoking pot. I'm like, no, no, I don't smoke pot, you know? And you blow it in my mouth, right? And then I get up and get everyone, like, it's already so. so created that I'm the oddball out, right? But Charlotte's still doing her best to hang in there because that's who she is, right? She's like, I'm going to be okay with this.

I'm going to just sit here and be okay with it. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then all of a sudden, it's just one step too far and thank God, because there is a moment, a pause there where I'm like, please, God, because I didn't remember. Was there a moment where you were contemplating maybe doing it?

Right, or just I'm contemplating, like, I think I'm contemplating how to politely get out. because Charlotte always wants to be polite, right? But also, you have pushed me too far. And I'm definitely not going to do that. And I think at that point, I might be remembering that Carrie said, leave right now when I first call her from the car, which was the good advice, of course. You should have left.

She knew. She knew way better than Miss Charlotte. She kind of knew exactly where this was going. It's true. And then let's get to the end. So Carrie tells Big she loves him at the beginning. And then she feels really uncomfortable because he doesn't say it back. of course, of course he doesn't.

Like, you know, he's not easy like that, right? And then she's all stressed about the handbag, and she thinks it's ugly, and then he has these friends who are mean to her, and she goes home with a, you know, whatever he is, waiter slash performance artist. And then he calls her the next day, the guys in her bed, they're fully closed, which I think is great.

And she doesn't remember because she was drunk, and he calls her, and he says, I just have to tell you that I have to do something in my, I have to do things in my own time. And she's like, okay, and she's hung over and feeling guilty. he doesn't realize this. And then he goes, doesn't he say, I do fucking love you?

Yes. Which is so him. Exactly. Yeah, it's so him. But it is satisfying for her because he does do it in his own way. Right. You know, and he sticks to who he is, really. That's a good point.

Right? Yeah. I mean. He came around. He did. In his own way. In his own way. It's never going to be easy.

No, and there is some validity to doing things in your own way where, you know, you might ruffle some feathers or, you know, swim upstream or going against. the current. Yeah, well, you don't want to get pushed into a corner or whatever. You've got to be your authentic self. And I think, you know, how often are we pretending to be or participating in behavior or something that's not necessarily our authentic self? But we're trying to make somebody else happy or feel good.

Absolutely. But that's what Carrie does a lot of. And that's what I see when I look back on it, not this narcissistic carry, but a carry who's like pushing down her own wants and desires to try to be with. him. Right. Which is, I think other people also see that, obviously. And when she had gone to therapy, but if she'd go to therapy, we might not have

gotten to continue the show. Then there would only have been, you know, two seasons. I forgot. She did go to therapy where she met John Bon Jovi's character and then she had to quit therapy so she didn't run into him anymore. That was just, is it coming? It's coming, isn't it? It's coming.

You getting John Bon Jovi? John Bon Jovi was, oh, no, he doesn't want to do my podcast. I know. I don't know why. Maybe we can try him for more. We're going to go. We're going to circle back with John Bon Jovi. great. Let's circle back with John Mo and Joey.

Let's do it. Let's do it. Yeah. You're a joy, Brian. It was so good to see you. Let's discuss more in depth. Are you a Charlotte? I am definitely a Charlie.

You're your own version. That was Wiley Ford, by the way, just for the audience. Got it. You're your own version of Charlotte. I was Wiley Ford. I am definitely a Charlotte. That's a great thing. Oh, my God.

Big time. I don't meet many men who are like, yes, I am a Charlotte. I love that so much. Yes. Good for you. Do you trust it? I mean, yeah, look, I have a, you know, I have a type, and it's Charlotte fits that type. Love it.

Love it so much. Yeah. We need nice men to be Charlott's. Oh, really? Makes the world better. It does make the world better. I didn't know we had a shortage of Charlott's, but I think. I'm going to, now I'm on a mission now.

I'm going to correct that. Do it. Thank you. Charlotte Nation. Here we go. Right. Charlotte Nation. Charlotte Nation.

That's the next podcast. Yes. I do want it to, before we go, real quick story. That damn line, man, comes back. And everybody knows, like, that's probably I get recognized or people want to talk about the most.

No way. Especially with the female audience. That first shot up. But after it aired in New York City, walking down the street, construction dudes, which are construction guys, either they're working for the city

or they're part of the building, I don't know where they were building something, but it was men like that, weren't known to watch the show. Of course. Yeah. Anyway, these dudes, and I felt it. You can't even feel the dudes look at you and recognize you for a second.

And they waited until I got far enough away. Hey, hey, dude, did you smell it? I heard that more than one time. I've heard it multiple times in this street. Yeah, once they get Costco. That's so embarrassing. Hey, man, did you smile? Oh, my God.

I'm like, how do you respond to that? I'm like, um. No. I'm like. Do you say no? I know. Yeah, I did. Phenomenal.

I mean, what are you going to do? What do you say? You just got to look and you're going to go, come on, man. That's really a good comeback. I like that comeback. Those moments just have people just remember those moments. It's so true, but you know what? I mean, on the one hand, sometimes I feel like apologizing to the guys who are on the show because of those things following them through life, right?

Because obviously you're not that character at all. But on the other hand, it's kind of amazing to be a part of something that people remember. It is, you're exactly right. Yeah. It is, sometimes it's cringy, but in the same time, it feels good. I'm glad. I'm glad. And you did it so well.

Oh, and thank you, thank you, thank you so much for, uh, for everything. For the, for being my, my, you know, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my and, my pleasure. I'm so happy you did. It's the best part of doing the podcast to get to have the actors on. I mean, I love the writers, too. I love everybody, but like, to reconnect and hear memories, because you have your own. right? And they're different from mine. And then also what it was like for you after and

where you were at the time. I love it so much. Well, I can't wait to see and hear more about when other actors and more stories because it's like, it's fun, right? It's such a good, yeah, it's bringing me back and it's such a good podcast and you talk about so many interesting things. And I love hearing the stories. Me too. It did, you know, it's just good to hear. Me too. Thanks for contributing to you. Oh, my pleasure. Anytime. Yay. December 29th, 1975, LaGuardia Airport. The holiday rush, parents hauling luggage, kids gripping their new Christmas toys. Then everything changed.

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