Are You A Charlotte? - Cynthia Nixon is here...

Episode Date: February 24, 2025

The incredible Cynthia Nixon joins Kristin this week for a conversation filled with memories, lots of laughs and unexpected revelations. Cynthia Nixon almost wasn’t  Miranda. She was moments from not being a part of this cast. And, the secret to Miranda’s short red hair that surprises even Kristin.Plus, friendship, the future, and of course fashion.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I think not really. But we'll get to that at the end. I think not really. Thank you, Cynthia, for being here. Thank you for having me. It's beyond exciting. It is, it is. So, okay, what we wanna do, I mean, there's a lot, right?

There's like kind of endless amounts of things to talk about, but what I wanna do with you, because there's a lot, right? There's like kind of endless amounts of things to talk about. But what I want to do with you, because I have you here. And for me, once I started rewatching, which you remember, I never rewatched. Like I watched at the time, but I find it like uncomfortable. But but at this point, looking back, it's not so uncomfortable for me. It's more like archaeological, right? You know, like what is going on?

You know, so I really once we started the podcast, I really felt like I need to have us on to talk about the beginnings. Right. Because all of us had different experiences, and all of us were coming from different places, you know? And that's what's kind of so interesting about it, I think, in a way. Like, we were all so different in terms of the careers we were having, and then we all came together for this,

and magic happened, and here we are almost 30 years later. Hee hee hee, which, you know. Crazy. Insane to think about. Crazy. So tell us a little bit about, I mean, should I intro a little? Like, you know, you were this incredible Broadway actress. I mean, I had seen Cynthia, not knowing Cynthia,

in, when, when, I didn't see her early, but I saw the other one. The real thing. The real thing, which I love so much. Yes, so beautiful. So she was in two Broadway plays across the street from each other at the same time, okay? She'd done Juliet and Shakespeare in the Park.

You'd been in Amadeus. You, I mean, just you'd been in the movie. I'd worked with Robert Altman of course. And Sarah Jessica and I, of course, really knew each other. Which was amazing. Because we were child actors in New York. Right. And you were in that. We did a bunch of things together. Right. With Vanessa Redgrave. We played sisters in a TV movie with Vanessa Redgrave. And Jack Albertson, yes. Unbelievable. So when did you hear about Sex and the City?

When did you get the script? What did you think? So, OK, so again, as I think you've talked a tiny bit about, so when the show first started, the premise was that we were going to really, a launch, you know, come from her column and the people she was writing about would be kind of like the first episode starts with the main characters like we're not anywhere in sight, right? It's the woman she's talking about, right? This horrible thing happened to. So when I first read the

script, they asked me to read for Carrie as script, they asked me to read for Carrie, as I think they asked you to read for Carrie. I did not know this. Yes, they asked me to read for Carrie, right? And then I did. And they were like, yeah, not so much. But I did not tend to be very proactive about these things. But for me, because I was like 31, I want to say. Right. And I had been acting literally for 20 years at that point. Wow. And a lot of success and a lot of, but I was, you know, when I first started acting, I was

a child and I was in school. So I was very like, I only work in New York. Right? So this show in New York was like unheard of. Unheard of, right? We had Cosby, I think we had Kate and Allie for a while. We had Law and Order. We had Law and Order.

We used to have the equalizer like we had, but you know. But it was Slim Pickens. Yes. And not all those shows were on at the same time. Those were like the things that we had. So I did call my manager and I... I guess she was my agent at the time. Emily.

And I said, okay, they don't want me for Carrie. No one's really surprised here, but... There's like seven women on that show. Couldn't I get one of them? Because it didn't seem like there were four. It seemed because these other characters, at least in the pilot, were like central. Kind of coming and going. And then we had all those testimony from women on the street.

It seemed like a larger group of women. That's true. But even had there been four, maybe I wouldn't have been so optimistic. But I was like, can't we? You're like, I can get one of those. I can get one of those. Yeah. And so they said they'd like me to come back

and read for Miranda. And is this just casting directors at this point? Like Billy Hopkins, Kerry Barton? I think, I don't remember, but I would assume so. Okay. But I don't. Like you didn't know Darren. I didn't know Darren at all. So I went in and at some point,

maybe it was the first time I went in for Miranda after, so it was like the second audition maybe. And my Emily said to me gently but clearly, she said, maybe put on a little lipstick. Maybe you could comb your hair. I was like, I'll try. I'm going to try. I love it. I love it. I love it.

So then they really liked me. I mean, it's like an endless saga. I mean, I think you said yours was like a matter of weeks. I mean, mine was months and months and months. And it wasn't like I was endlessly auditioning. I think I auditioned, they really liked me, and then I think they moved me on to like testing. Right.

So I tested. Right. Here in New York. Here in New York. And I think I was one of the very early people that tested. Oh, yeah, yeah. Did they know that Sir Jessica was potentially Carrie yet? I don't remember.

So I auditioned and that, you know, nothing happened. Like they, my contract lapsed. So I was basically, right? I mean, it went on for months. Wow. And Emily would call and say, what's going on? Yeah. And they would say, we haven't found anyone we like better yet. Oh, gosh. That's painful. And I think and I can't, it's so terrible that I can't remember this at this point.

But I had auditioned, I had never, you know, gone out to LA to test for things. But I did, maybe the previous year or something, and I tested for a lot for things. But I did, maybe the previous year or something, and I tested for a lot of things, and I didn't get, I tested for like, the best friend on Ally McBeal, and I tested for a thing, like a thing where I was a nun, like in the name of the father, and I tested for the Fargo, the woman in Fargo,

which was then made many years later. But I didn't get any of them. And I remember Becky Ann Baker, who actually ended up playing my sister briefly in the show, said that means you're very close if you keep almost getting these. But you don't get it. Don't think about like, I didn't get it, I didn't get it.

You're close. No, she's right. That's so good. Anyway, months and months and months went by. And it was like, you know, and every day Emily would call and not every day, but she would call. And they would say, we still haven't found anyone. We like better. Okay.

So then there was a pilot presentation. Do you know what that is? Right. So a pilot presentation is not like a real pilot. Right. It's like they do it live. It's very bare bones. Right. And they had some pilot presentation they were doing that shot in LA.

There were some okay people in it. I can't remember now. And they had a part for me and it was an okay part. It wasn't a great part, but they were like, we just want her. And if she'll just come and test, we'll just go right into production. Like there's no one else is auditioning.

Okay. So I wasn't really that interested, but I was like, it's money. And I actually did need some money at that point. Sure, sure. So, but it was Passover week. Okay. And I was through my boyfriend, Danny and I,

the father of my first two kids, we were throwing a Seder for his family, which I've been to right, right And so it was like a big, you know, and we've been planning it for a while And so I think Passover was like on a Wednesday that year and I was like, but I don't want to miss the Seder Oh, so I so they let me fly out the idea of someone to fly out Friday morning or Thursday night, I was going to test and we were going to go right into the first read through, whatever. Wow. And I was like adamant that I want to do this thing. So then it was like Passover.

And Emily, my manager, spent, my agent then, like called them, I think, all, like every hour. Oh, what? And she would give them a count. She would be like, you're gonna lose, cause I think the next morning, maybe I got on the flight, whatever, maybe it was Thursday. And she said, you're gonna lose her in 22 hours.

Wow. You're gonna lose her in 17 hours. You're gonna lose her in 10 hours. Oh my gosh. Right? Because as soon as I get on that plane, Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, they have me under contract. You're doing to lose her in 10 hours. Right? Because as soon as I get on that plane, they have me under contract. And at one point she actually apparently broke down and cried on the phone with them. Like, what are you doing? This is the perfect person for the part. You love her. You've looked for months. you haven't found anybody better. Come on, pull the trigger.

Good job, Emily. I know. And like literally, literally during the Seder, at like nine o'clock at night, my phone rings. And Emily is like, I got it. That's amazing. I have never heard this story. And it was, but it was literally from the time I tested.

I mean, it was months. It was months. Wow, I didn't know this. It's amazing. And so in your gut or your heart or whatever, did you feel connected? Like, yes, I wanna do this. Like, this is amazing. Or did you just feel like, ah?

I felt like, it felt like the Holy Grail. It really, I mean, we didn't know what would happen with the show, but it was so interesting and it was so clever and it was all actually about something. Right, I felt the same way. Right? Yeah.

But then there was like all this sex in it, which was like, okay, right? But it was so different, wasn't it? It was so different. It was so different, but also weirdly for me, for people who this is the main thing they know me from, again I had been acting for 20 years at this point. And I had never played anything remotely like this. Like I was a person. I

for a lot of my early life I had long blonde hair and I played a lot of my early life, I had long blonde hair, and I played a lot of, you know, very easygoing, shy, wallflowery kind of insecure people, flower children, waifs, waifs for days, you know? And so to play this woman, and I had been nominated for a Tony a couple of years earlier when I was doing a play called Indiscretions, which was Jude Law's New York debut.

And I was wearing a wig and we ran for many, many months and I got nominated for a Tony. And the guy who did my hair said, why don't we cut all your hair off and dye it red just as a like a really thing. And it was fine because I wore a wig, so it didn't matter what my hair said, why don't we cut all your hair off and dye it red just as a like a really thing. And it was fine because I wore a wig so it didn't matter what my hair was like. So then, so I was blonde, Kim was blonde, Sarah was blonde, you were the only non blonde. So they came to me and they said, we got too many blondes. Would you, we've seen these

photos of you from a few years back with this red hair, would you dye your hair red? So yeah, but so. So that's how that happened. I never knew that either. So in every way, it was such a, it was like such a. Departure. Such a departure.

And you love that. And I was great. It was great. But it felt like, you know, a character that had like not a lot to do with. Well, and I mean, in some ways that's true. And then in some ways it's not. People would ask me, you know, are you,

how are you like Miranda? And I would always say, we both feel confident about our brains, but that's kind of where it ends. Because like I was in a long-term relationship. You had a kid. I had a child. I was incredibly domestic.

I was- She's a really good cook, you guys. I'm very domestic. Like all the things that Miranda has no... At least at the time, had no patience for, right? Those were like my bread and butter. She wants to eat her thing out of the garbage. Exactly. Right, right, right.

So when you took it on, like remember, I mean, you have these kind of aggressive power suits and whatnot in the beginning, you know? Like what did you think? I mean, I thought I have these really good jokes, which is great. And I have a really strong character, right? She's like, I understood who she was. Clearly. And I was really, you know, poor Pat field, who, you know, does the clothes. I was really concerned with trying to look like one of those women does the clothes, I was really concerned with trying to look like one of those women would really look. Which was not Pat's...

Yeah, we really tortured Pat in the beginning. Which was not Pat's favorite. But we reached a, you know... You did. It's good. It's good. And also, you know, I mean, do you remember how in the very beginning, because we would have all those coffee shop scenes, right?

Yes. And we tried so hard to make them real. And we're constantly, not just eating, but like reaching for things and like, right? And so I was... And looking away, I'm like constantly, yes, yes. Like just trying to have as much... So I was really kind of focused on that.

Like have as much sort of real behavior and the clothes and the sort of like the Miranda armor of like the jewelry was very like silver and spiky and like it was like armor. Definitely, definitely, definitely. I mean, yeah, I think that when I watch myself too, I mean, I think a lot of things, but one of the things I do think because I had come from Melrose where you had to like hold still because they were going to do the super close up and just stare at the other person. And I'm always like, you barely see my face

for like the first couple episodes or whatever, because I'm just working so hard to be present and be real. You know, follow your lead and follow Sarah Jessica and Kim. And you know, Kim's doing her own thing. And you know, it's like super interesting to look back on. And I do remember thinking, you know, like, this is different, you know, like this is its own animal. Right. And you know, I knew Sarah, Sarah and I knew each other

quite well, we'd worked together a bunch of times and we were always auditioning for the same parts and stuff when we were kids. And Kim, I knew a little bit, I'd seen her in a few things, but also I think we had auditioned for a production of Miss Julie that we were both, I think she got it and ended up doing it. And I feel like she came to see me in something and I met her backstage. So I had some sense of Kim and I didn't know who you were,

but I looked at the way you spelled your first name with an I, which is unusual. Two I's. And I basically, I decided you were Kristin Scott Thomas. Wow. Well, thank you. I was like, it must be Kristin. That must be Kristin Scott Thomas. You must have been really disappointed. No, I didn't really know who Kristin Scott Thomas was

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Yeah? I remember that we did it at the market. Okay. Chelsea? Chelsea Market. Wow! And I remember Sarah came in and she had just gotten married. She had just gotten married. And I and others congratulated her because she'd just gotten married.

They must have been scouting around there, which is why we did it at Chelsea Market. Oh, I don't even remember that. That's all I remember. I remember Chelsea Market and I remember Sarah coming in having just gotten married. That's nice. This is what I remember. You had like a notebook with your script in it because you know you're very professional and on the front of the notebook was a little baby picture of Sam. I was like, oh is that your baby? You're like, yeah. And I was like, oh, is that your baby? And you're like, yeah. And I was like, aren't you worried to not be at work? You know, not to be at home? And you're like, no.

And I was like, oh. I was just very impressed, very impressed. And you're like, it'll be fine. I was like, oh my gosh, amazing. But I didn't remember the bigger picture. Sarah Winter remembers the bigger picture of the read-through, which is super interesting. Oh, really? Yeah, because apparently there was a Kennedy there. Can't remember the bigger picture. Sarah Winter remembers the bigger picture of the read-through. Which is super interesting.

Oh really? Yeah. Because apparently there was a Kennedy there. Can't remember his first name. He was going to play that part. Which part? Her guy, Sarah Winter's guy in the beginning who ghosts her. And then I guess something happened.

He got cold feet. Who knows? Who knows? Lawford. Lawford was his name. Oh, Peter Lawford? Yes. Yes.

I know. Super fascinating. Don't remember that. I kind of Laufford? Yes. Yes, I know. Super fascinating. Don't remember that. I kind of remember that. I kind of a little bit. Okay, okay, okay. I had not remembered. She remembers Darren coming in

and me talking to Darren because I knew him from LA. I didn't really know the rest of you. I had just seen all of you. You know what I mean? Barry. Barry, right? Barry Jocelyn, right?

Whose name I keep saying, I'm like, oh my God, where is Barry? Barry, yeah. I mean, yeah, he was a big part of it all. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was the Melfi, we didn't have Melfi yet. We didn't have Melfi. Aw.

And do we have Jane Rab yet? I think we, no, not in the pilot. Not in the pilot. We had the mystery woman who gave me the contract to sign where I would have been a recurring. Right. Who, you know, doesn't have a fond place in my memory. No.

I'm sure it's not her fault, but, and I don't know her name, but did you know about that? Did I tell you about that at the time? You told me about it. I think you did tell me about it at the time. I think you might be the only one. Because I really tried to keep it a secret. Michael Patrick didn't even know.

Right. I think you did. Isn't that amazing that Michael didn't even know? I don't know that you told me right away, but I think sometime during the first season you told me. Because it really, it really, like Michael was, Michael, Michael talked really interestingly about his beginnings and how he didn't know how to write Charlotte. He was like, wow, that one, I don't know, you know, which I understand because in the book, she's not really very, um, like she's...

Fleshed out or? Yeah, she's not fleshed out. She doesn she's just... Fleshed out or? Yeah, she's not fleshed out. She doesn't really make a lot of sense. She's just a little different. You don't really, like she takes drugs and goes roller skating. Like it's weird, you know?

You're like, who is that one? You know? And I remember, you know, really feeling like I've got to figure her out. And you know, there was some stress about like, they wanted me to have short hair. I wanted to have long hair. Pat was trying to put me in these clothes,

I was like, what are those clothes, you know, which was, I think, not uncommon for us. I mean, Sarah Jessica was in sync with Pat, but the rest of us were like, what's happening? So that was a process, obviously, but also I think Charlotte had to be developed and that was, you know, luckily happened over time, but definitely was not true in the beginning.

And for me, inside, I had this sense of, oh, you know, someone doesn't know if I'm important here. Right. Right. I didn't know who that was. Right. I didn't know if it was like HBO, because we didn't really know Strauss at that point. We didn't know Carolyn.

No, we didn't know anybody. Right. Right. We were just like... You knew Darren. I knew Darren, which was great. But also, Darren was, you Darren was trying to create this thing. Do you remember one time he came down and he was like, you guys have to be funnier. And we were like, I do kind of remember that.

And then he was like, and then the next week he- Was that a scene in Sarah Jessica's house? I think so when we ad-libbed. Like Chinese food or something. Yes, I do kind of remember that. In the first episode. And we had to ad-lib what we felt insecure about. Right, I remember I said my neck. Yes, and I kind of remember that. In the first episode. And we had to ad-lib what we felt insecure about. Right, I remember I said my neck.

Yes, and I said my thighs. Yeah. Yes, it was the only time we've ever. Yeah, I said her nose, right? Yes, and I don't remember what Kim said. She doesn't, because Samantha's not insecure about anything. Yes, but it was like our only time they ever asked us to ad-lib. Right.

That was the end of that. Right, right, right, right, right, right. But it was very sweet because they didn't want to write anything that would upset us, which was nice. But I remember- They wouldn't want to say, you must feel terrible about your blank, and then you'd be like, that's my best thing.

Totally, totally, totally. But then I also remember a different week when he'd come down, Darren would come down, he'd be like, you know, everyone's gotta be sexier, you've gotta be sexier. And I would be like, me? Like how? In what way? like, me? Like what? Like how?

Like just like this? Like what? Totally. Like just low cut. I don't know. Yeah, it was bizarre. But I just feel, I remember just not knowing, you know, what our aisle was, you know,

what our goal was kind of, or who we were. But then when I look back on it, which having not watched it for, kind of, or who we were. But then when I look back on it, which, having not watched it for, you know, eight million years, we're very good. We are very good. I mean, it's kind of amazing. Like, they have married pigs. Everything is there.

Yeah. You know, like we're together. You mean in terms of our characters, you mean? No, not, they're not fully fleshed out, but like the energy, the gist, you know, we're at that scene with the pepper mill. Do you remember that scene? I do. It was long. With, with what's his name, Sun?

Renee, Renee Aubert-Chenoy's son. Yes. Remy Aubert-Chenoy. Yes. Yes. Good memories, and impressive. You told me you didn't remember anything. That's not true.

You know, and that pepper mill had to come in the right time. That was like our first real true coffee shop scene. Really? I mean, there's one in the pilot, but we're at the Chinese restaurant. Right. Yeah. And it's very brief. Oh, but so only at the Chinese restaurant.

Yeah. There was that, where was that? Remember there was that diner? Yes, on Long Island City. And when, what episode is that? I mean, I feel like Skipper goes there with Carrie. Someone goes there with Carrie and I'm like, what is he doing there?

There's a diner that we use that's a real diner. Stanford, Stanford. Remember the place they would like put us in the van and drive us over there? Yeah, kind of. And it was kind of not the cleanest. I don't want to say anything bad. We were like, ooh.

There's a very interesting tile on the walls. Very, I mean, ugly would be a word. Ugly would be a word. Yeah, that didn't last long. It didn't last long at all. But the other thing I think when I look back on these early episodes is to me, New York looks so different.

It looks like it's the 80s. You know what I mean? Like it's like, and the cars. And like in this particular, in the episode 20 something guys, or Valley of the 20 something guys, you know, we go to these bars. Right. Like downstairs, and they're just like nothing.

They're just like a dark room in the basement. Right. It's so 80s. Right. Super interesting to me. I don't really remember it. Like, I don't know where we are. I have no idea.

No, I have no memory of that. Yeah, and Charlotte doesn't really get to go very often. Like the first, you guys are in chaos, that chaos. Remember chaos? So I don't know if it was a real place or not. I don't think probably it was. In the pilot, yeah. But you're there, that's when Skipper comes

and you push him up against the wall. It's so good. Right. That's a pilot, I think. It's excellent, excellent. But I'm not there. I'm with that dude up on the stairs of the Met. Right, right.

Thinking I'm on like the perfect date and then he goes and has sex with Samantha. I know. I know, poor Charlotte. She's a bit of a mess. So wait, let's get back to you. Let's get back to you. So we start the pilot.

You did feel like it was the Holy Grail. So you had a sense that it was amazing. Well, for me, cause I was at a point, like I had a kid and like, and like I just bought an apartment and like I needed to earn some money. Yeah. And so much so that after literally 20 years of saying, I will not audition for anything that shoots in LA, you know, like a long term or even really, you know. Yeah.

I was like, get me a TV show. And it was like, here's a TV show here. Wow. That's so great. Yeah. You know, so I did feel like it was the Holy grail. Yeah. Yeah. And when we actually did the pilot,

did you feel like, wow, wow, wow? Or did you feel like, oh my God? I always thought it was all great. I just thought it was all great, you know? I thought, how am I gonna be this like, you know, sexy person that's like going on all these, like, never dated, I had like long-term relations, I never dated. I remember you saying this, yeah.

Right? I also remember you saying, I never had like girlfriends where we would like go around and kind of like be powerful like this or flirty, flirty. Right. My, my, my girlfriends, right. We're not ever out on the prowl and we never were. We're like my friends from high school. We like hang out with the boys in our high school. You know what I mean?

Yes, I do. I do. It was not like we'd go and meet strangers and go to bed with them. I know, I know, I know. It's super interesting to look at the beginning episodes. Like there's a, you know, like a, it's very sex positive, which is wonderful before we ever called it that. But also like an openness, like a, you know,

everyone's, not everyone, you know, everyone's, not everyone, I guess Charlotte's not, but like Carrie especially, like the Valley of the 27 Guys, you know, I mean, it's very interesting. Well, so remember there was all this stuff, I don't know if you've spoken about this yet, but there was all this stuff, there was this backlash

where people were sort of, some people were like horrified and said these aren't women. Women don't act like this. Women don't talk like this. Women don't have this kind of lack of inhibition and lack of sentimental, romantic necessity. These are gay men disguised as women. I do remember this. It was very troubling. Right. It was very annoying. And I also remember, and I don't remember what season it was, where we had a reporter, like all four of us were talking to this person at the same time,

and the reporter said, do you think this is a feminist show? And all four of us basically almost took that person's head off. We were like, well, of course it's a feminist show. Like, what's wrong with you? We're all feminists. It's a feminist show. What would it be if it wasn't a feminist show? Because we're wearing lipstick and high heels?

It's not a feminist show? What's wrong with you? Absolutely. But I do think that that also reminds me of the different times, you know, and the fact that we were not there was no blueprint for us, you know, and and that right in some ways is, I think, like this kind of magic about us coming together and HBO allowing us to find ourselves, and then also being able to do the movies and then also being able to do and just like that. I mean, like there is no blueprint.

There is nothing else. But you know what? It's really funny for me because as I said, I started acting when I was like 11, 12. And one of the very first things that I did was this movie called Little Darlings, which is starring Tatum O'Neil and Christy McNichol. And then there are six of us who aren't those two people. So there are eight young women. Amazing. And we're all like, we're all supposed to be like mid teens,

I would say. And some of us like me, her 12th, because I'm tall. And other people are like 18, but they're playing 15, whatever, we're all playing like. And it's about two girls who don't like each other at summer camp, and somebody starts a bet to see which one of them can lose their virginity first. And all the rest of us line up with one or the other,

and there's lots of betting on it, and the whole camp gets involved. And this was a very popular, successful movie that is like very dear to a lot of people's hearts. Right. But when it came out, I remember one review that started, now here's a disgusting idea for a movie, right? Critics were horrified.

And this was like literally 20 years later. And it was, I was like, it was deja vu for me. Yeah. It was like, here are women who are talking about sex and the possibilities of sex with their female friends and then going out and assertively pursuing it. And audiences are like, wow, cool. And critics are like, ew. So crazy. It's, it's, but, but, but I mean, I think that that's, I mean, you know, it's a show that women and gay men have

always particularly, you know, embraced. But what we would hear again and again and again, what was first on was like, the men want to watch it too, and the girlfriends get them to watch it, and the girlfriends get them to watch it, or the wives get them to watch it. And then they're fascinated, and they love it, and they're entertained. But also then it sparks all these conversations

about this semi-taboo stuff that maybe if you're dating somebody, you wouldn't talk about it because you'd be shy or something. But it's happening in the episode, so it's a perfect entree, right? Like the up-the-butt stuff in the Brights. Of course. Everyone likes to say all the things that embarrass me.

But yes, very good example and also such a fun, fun memory. So great. Such a great memory and such a funny. I mean, now that I look back on it, which I didn't really compute this or whatever, that's really my first storyline. Like where it's like a beginning, middle and end, right? Like Carrie's like, you know,

and then Charlotte has a new boyfriend and we see him. And I'm like, did I tell you he wants to buy a painting? And you guys are like, oh, you know. And then we do that scene. No, then we do the scene. Then I call her, right? And she's like, oh, Charlotte, I gotta run out the house. And I'm like, oh, and she's like, oh, Charlotte, I gotta run out of the house. And I'm like, oh, and she's like, I'll be right there.

And then we're in that big cab, do you remember? It was like a 1970s cab, and Allison, the director, and Marice, who's French, the DP, who I could never say her name right, they're in the front seat, do you remember this, with the handheld? They're in the front seat, like on the floor, that's how big the cab was, that they could do that,

and they would like pop their heads up and give us direction as we're driving around and then pop back down. And then we added you guys. And I remember it being so fun, but also being so even just like mortified to say the words out loud. They kept messing it up.

Like I couldn't say the words. Cause the first time I say it is just there, Jessica, with me, right? It's just Carrie with me. And I had so not said it in rehearsal. Remember how we used to run our lines all the time, which I told Michael. Michael was like, I didn't know this. I was like, wait, we were so scared that we weren't going to talk fast enough for you.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, at least I was, right? So we were, remember we were in the makeup trailer, just running, running, running, running, running. Do you remember this? Did they have us do that? Did they have us watch some, like, His Gal Friday or something? I think you did. But I don't think anyone told us to.

No, I think that was your creative, you know, thought process. And also, I was, I told you I was going to tell you this. I do think this is when you started saying to me quietly, like, not my medium, not my medium. Because we'd be in some complex thing where they'd say like, and then you find the lens, and then you move forward and you find the lens, and you would just be like, not my medium. Right. And I'd be like, it is, it is.

Hitting the mark, finding the lens, continuity, these have never been my strong suits. Well, they are now. Well, that's very kind. It's true. But number two, I mean, first of all, I see those early episodes, you're like spot on. I mean, you're amazing.

So, you know, some of it I think is just your own mind, but I also think also it is obviously a very different experience doing a show is a very different experience than even just a film, you know? Well, it's right. It's not like one long arc. It's like every week or every two weeks or whatever it was.

We got a new script and new things happen. Definitely new things happen. Also, we film a lot quicker, especially back then. Right. Remember, we would film like so many scenes in a day. Right. And it was that was partly why it was so complicated. Right. Because we couldn't like stop. Like now, now it and just like that we do. We take some time, you know, to do the singles and whatever.

Back then, we were like on the go. Do you remember they used to like wheel those huge lights down the street, you know, from one location to the other? Like it was kind of amazing to think about, like guerrilla filmmaking a little bit, you know, back in the day. And such crazy hours. Crazy hours.

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Because remember how people just come up and be like, isn't it so much fun? Like once it started to kind of, you know, take off and we'd be like, yes! Like as we're like, you know, fainting, you know, as we're just so tired. Right, right. But we couldn't really say that.

We felt like we couldn't really say that. And our feet hurting, yes. And our feet, I mean, you know, I told them the story, I had the bigger size shoes for the weekend. My tennis shoes were bigger so that I could like let my little swollen feet rest. Yeah, because remember how we would film till the sun rose and then start at 5 a.m. on Monday? So you had this tiny little window.

To recover. And you had a whole life. I didn't even know nobody at home. Sam was like, I think, eight months when we did the pilot. Exactly. How did you do that? Well, I don't know. I mean the pilot I what I think of is When we were getting ready when we've been picked up and we were getting ready to do the second episode, right? The first episode of our first season

You remember this they just so we shot in Silver Cup, which is in Long Island City and right All of us were living in Manhattan, right? I mean Kristen had an apartment in Manhattan, right? So we shot in Silver Cup, which is in Long Island City in Gwinnett. Right. All of us were living in Manhattan. Right. I mean, Kristin had an apartment in Manhattan. Right. And they decided that we were going to take the subway to work. Oh my God!

Do you remember that? It was like, we're not going to pick you all up. You have to get here on your own. I was like, what? And so I think I was coming for fittings or something. Yes. I was coming for fittings. We were in the warehouses. And Long Island City at the time, maybe, well,

this is before Google Maps. Yeah. Right? It's a confusing, windy place. Oh, Lord have mercy. And so, and my kid at that point is, I think, like 15 months or something. I'm not sure how old he is. Right. And so, and my kid at that point is, I think, like, 15 months or something.

I'm not sure how old he is. Right, right. And my father has just died. Oh, I love that. He has died of like weeks before. And my father was living in Mexico. Right. So I don't speak Spanish.

I've gone down there. My boyfriend was sick. I went down there by myself with my kid, not speaking Spanish to try and deal with his, not only his death. I mean, he was cremated, so that wasn't a big deal, but you know, his belongings and his finance, everything, right? And so I came back. I'm coming for this fitting where they've, Shelly, do you remember Shelly? Yes, I do. Shelly told me that I had to take the subway or whatever. Oh my God.

And so I take my kid strapped to me on the subway with all the diaper bags and whatnot. Yes, yes. And I get off the train in Long Island City and I can't find it. And I'm walking around the streets and I call Shelley. And I'm like, Shelley! I have my, you know, 15 month old, my father has just died.

I'm wandering around. Can someone please just pick me up? So I think they gave up on the subway idea. I think that must have been somewhere close to me trying to also do the same thing with not a child, but just my really challenged sense of geography. I mean, I used to live here, but it never, you know, it's just a challenge that I have, right? In wherever I am, it's a challenge. And there was no phones to be doing this. There was no Google Maps. There was no-

Right, no Google Maps, nothing. And I had never in my life even heard of Long Island City. I was like, I don't understand, like, just where are we? I just don't understand. It was like a place where you assumed a lot of, like, snuff films were there. 100%. There was just warehouses.

Warehouses. Anything could happen. What's happening behind those doors? Exactly. So I had gone, tried to go to my fitting, sometimes probably like the same day or next day or wherever. It was raining and I'm just wandering, like a little lost wet kitten,

like help me, help me anyone. And then crying, like finally, I think calling Shelly also like, help me, I don't know. I don't even know if I'm in Long Island City. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like all of it. And then she was like, yeah, Cynthia had a problem too. I was like, you know, maybe you guys should send a van.

Send a car. Send a van. I remember the 16 seater that we did end up spending a lot of time in. Anyway, I do remember that. And I was like, if Cynthia had a problem, I don't feel so bad, you know? But then remember how we both lived on the Upper West Side.

Yes. And they would pick us up. Just blocks from each other. Blocks from each other, thank God. And they would pick us up together, which was really fun. And Cynthia very kindly would run lines with me. Cause remember those times when I had those big speeches? Like very didactic, like so poy, like I'm gonna get married

and I'm gonna follow this book and I'm... So hard. And I talked to Michael a little bit about like the word perfect. You know, we had to be perfect. We still have to be perfect. And comedy is very precise, you know, so I get that, but it's sometimes challenging.

And Cynthia, God bless her heart, because I live by myself, right? So like, you can only somewhat do so much work in your own head, you know, to a certain extent. And then what would happen is we'd get there and I'd get nervous and I'd like just freeze up. So on the way downtown or to Silver Cup or whatever, Cynthia would run lines with me so sweetly. Really saved myself so much.

That was fun. And like, we were like kids. That's the other thing that cracks me up. When we watch, like, do you, I don't know how you think about this, but like, we look like little children. Well, yes, we're very beautiful. But also, so I have still, you know, baby fat. No. Well, I mean, from my

baby. Right. But also, I have literally pimples. What? On my chin. I don't see any pimples. Take a look. Oh my God. I still have acne. Hysterical. But the thing that's so funny is that I remember thinking, because I was living in LA before we filmed, right? And I remember thinking like, you know, I gotta get a job because like, we don't have a lot of time here. You know, this is back when like, when you were 40, which I don't think you probably felt

because you were very theater and theater, thank God, goes on forever. But like, you had this sense of like, time is ticking, you've got to like, make the most of it because you're not gonna last long. Well, I mean, that's the thing is like, now we look at like such babies, but at the time that was part of the point of the show

was that we weren't kids. I know that's what's so funny to me. We were like mature women, we had these careers, and we were at a point when, you know, Charlotte or other people in previous, you know, we're like, why aren't you married? When are you getting married? That's a very real thing. Who are you going to marry?

Absolutely, absolutely. And in the Valley of the 20-something guys, when they cut to the guys on the basketball court, which is one of the most enjoyable. I love that. I love that. I know. It's finally like for me, that's when the other people talking clicks in, in a great way.

Because it's all these guys and they're not so horrible. Like in the pilot, every man is just like, right, horrible, horrible, horrible. So finally some of them are kind of likable. And one of them, you know, I think it starts the basketball confessionals. And he says, you know, the great thing about women in their thirties is they're just so grateful.

Like, wow, where we're going to go, the journey we're going gonna go on, people. Oh my God. Who would have ever thought? Yeah. Right? Yeah. And back then, I remember also feeling, because when I was auditioning, I would always just

lie about my age, like whatever age the character was, you'd pick like a year older or a year younger and that's how old you'd say you were. At least that's what I did. Uh-huh. That's what all my friends did in LA. Wow. So for me, I was like, oh, thank God we're playing. Women are our 30s, I can stop lying.

It's so exciting, right? It was such a weight off my mind. And I look at us, I'm like, we're like little tiny babies. I know. Little tiny babies. But I think how much sex we're having and going out and meeting people and going out on dates and just picking people up. There's all that, which is different.

And it's that it's not, it's not, I mean, I don't, there is really nothing to compare us to. I mean, what are you gonna compare us to? Charlie's Angels, I mean, right? Right, no, it's a stretch, man. Right, I mean, they don't talk to each other. No, they don't talk to each other. And they also don't date. I mean, they like, what do they do? Right, I guess they don't. They just sort of like strut around, right, I mean, they don't talk to each other. No, they don't talk to each other, and they also don't date.

I mean, they like, what do they do? Right, I guess they don't. They just sort of like strut around, right? But I think that's the thing is like, we're having all this sex with all these different men that we're actively pursuing and we're talking to each other about it. Right, and we're together. We're together. It's like Bechdel to the umph degree, right?

100%, yes. And that's what was so, so special and amazing about it. Now, let's talk about themes. Because part of the reason I wanted to do Are You a Charlotte? Was because it seems like, I mean, first of all, you know, Netflix, we're on Netflix now, which is like, we could never have imagined these things, right? And all these younger people are finding us, which is so exciting and really kind of amazing and wonderful.

And the themes are still so resonant today. Yes, totally. And it's kind of just a testament to our writing, you know, and to just the, I mean, it was kind of just bravery on, I guess, cancer part. Well, but have you talked about the thing about the one degree of separation thing about No. Well, you know, that they had this rule in the writer's room Oh yeah.

that, you know, fantastical things happen on our show, crazy, zany, like, wow, cover your mouth, you're so shocked kind of thing. Right, right. But that they had a rule in the writer's room that you could only make a plot line around something that had literally happened to you or someone you knew.

It couldn't be like my friends, dentists, cats, brother. I heard this. I heard one time that it had to be you experienced it or someone that you could get on the phone and ask them about it in detail. It happened to them. So I mean, I do think that that's one of the reasons it really endures is like, it's the stuff,

even though it's real, even though it's like, oh my God, can you believe what happened on the show last night, right? But it's real and people really, you know, put them, the writers really put themselves in it and located the good and bad and funny and whatever sexy things that were happening to them. Right, right, right, right.

So true. But when you think back on the themes, like, what do you think of in terms of like Miranda's themes or, you know, what stands out to you? What do you think of as your favorite themes or your favorite relationships or things like that? Hmm. I know it's hard so so so Hmm. I mean, I think maybe this is not what you're talking about. But I mean like the overarching theme is obviously We're not sitting by the phone waiting for a man to call in and ask us to marry him, right? It's like we...

Possibly Charlotte is. Well, possibly Charlotte, but then she... But she's aggressively pursuing it, you know. She's aggressively pursuing it, and she... And there's part of her that has this marriage goal in mind, but she also kind of wants to experiment and have fun. Oh, she's certainly more experimental than you realize, for sure. Than you realize she really is.

And I remember, of course, we did the thing... and have fun? Oh, she's certainly more experimental than you realize, for sure. Than you realize she really is. And I remember, of course, we did the thing, they had a thing in a magazine about who had had the most sex. It was the book, it was the book. Kiss and Tell, in the back of the book. But wasn't it even before that? Wasn't it even before that? I feel like there was a magazine article listing how many sex partners

each of them had and that Charlotte, surprisingly, one, she had been to bed with Mormon. But I also think that is what I love about when we think back, and I kind of was aware of this at the time, because, like for instance, you weren't Miranda, right? So you playing Miranda, you brought different things to it, you brought kind of some friction to it. Sarah Jessica is not Carrie, you know,

and she didn't want to show her body all the time, you know, so it created kind of a friction. Like all of us being together and being such different people created kind of an interesting friction. Charlotte wanting to get married, but also being the one who literally has the most, you know, hookups or whatever, it's interesting, right? Like it wasn't, as much as people think

that we were archetypes and whatnot, which I get, right? It really was more complex than that. And certainly like the underlying thing as opposed to what we were showing, I think created a depth and like a frisian kind of. Right, so I feel like in terms of Miranda Obviously she's very she's very smart. She's very quippy. She's very cynical. She's very driven she's all about

her work and getting ahead right and Competing with men on an equal footing. Right. I love that. And she's interested in having sex, but she really has thought not at all about the idea of marriage or long-term monogamy, much less children or anything like that. Which is what's so great, how it unfolds. Right. Yeah. And so... So the fun thing about her has always been that she has this really tough armored exterior,

but that she has all this fragility inside, right? And so, I feel like for me, the turning point for Miranda was, I believe it's Jenny Bick's first episode, that's one of our writers. And when she first came on board, she wrote the episode where Miranda buys her first apartment. Such a good one. Right? And it's like, as a single woman, what does that mean?

Is that intimidating to a man when you already own and you're not waiting for him to buy something with him that you choose together, right? And that Miranda is really determined and excited, but then it brings up all of these demons for her about what does this mean buying this apartment? Does this mean I'll always be alone and she has- I'll die alone. And I'll die alone and like no one will know

and the cat will eat my face. Yes, oh my God. It's so good. It's so great. And she starts to have these panic attacks, which seem very un-Miranda. And, you know, and in the same way that Michael Patrick talks about with Charlotte, Charlotte is a beautiful, intelligent, warm career person who wants to get married. Right. Charlotte is a beautiful, intelligent, warm career person

who wants to get married. And so, right, Michael Patrick says, at a certain point, even though it's about single women, we gotta let her get married because we just can't believe we lost, it's incredulous, right? That she wants to get married, she's gonna get married. And then it's not gonna work out, that's the point. Right.

So, and the same with Miranda, he was like, how much, how brittle and bitter can we make her? It's like, finally, she is gonna just break. So we have to finally, I guess it's season two, I'm not sure. I think so. You know, they bring in Steve, right? Somebody who is like the antidote, like to all of the. Who is happy to be the beta to her alpha.

Right. Right. Right. And who is so into her that she doesn't doubt him. And it's just he's like he's sexy but he's also just very devoted and it's a it's a it's a place where she can land that's a wonderful place to be and it's not threatening. He's not competing with her for supremacy and she doesn't feel like he might walk away and break her heart. Right. Oh, and what a great character. Great character.

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