Are You A Charlotte? - D*ck or Treat? with Benito Skinner (S2 E9 "Old Dogs, New Dicks")

Episode Date: August 14, 2025

Not only is Benito Skinner the "it" guy, he’s also a Sex and the City superfan. Benito explains why Carrie and Big are a super couple and why Miranda needs to stop being so mean to Steve.And you won’t want to miss Benito’s hot take on “Old Dogs, New Dicks.”See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hi, I'm Kristen Davis, and I want to know, are you a Charlotte? We are back, you guys. Benny's still here. I'm here, yes. It's amazing. I can't wait to hear what he has to say about this episode. I have so much. I know you do.

It's episode 209, Old Dogs New. Dix. Excellent. And this is directed by Alan Taylor, who's incredible. Fabulous. Who goes on to direct, he's Sopranos, we stole him from there. He goes on to do a lot of Game of Thrones and all kinds of amazing things. A legend.

We love him so much. And it's written by the wonderful Jenny Bix, who we also love so much. Okay. All right. This is one of those ones where I'm like, you know, let's discuss Big and Carey, because I know you've got some thoughts and feelings. I have a lot of thoughts and feelings. Here's my thing.

I know that everyone is kind of like big is terrible. That's kind of like the general consensus. And how much are you watching like fan edits on TikTok? Because they're electrifying, by the way. No, I don't know. Because I never know when they're going to be mean. Oh, there's only good ones of Charlotte. It's like Charlotte has one line and then boom.

It's like, you know, all these like clips of her likes are eating down. Okay, okay. I'm going to send you. But I know, here's the thing. In between the movies and just like that, there is a happy marriage there. You're right. They were together for a long time. And the days they have that we see where he's kind of putting on like records and she's

like getting takeout and they're kind of like hanging out. He's got a cigar. Yeah. I don't know. It just seems like they really, they match each other's freak. No, I think you're right. And they're slight, you know, I don't, I think we say narcissistic a little too freely. Yes.

Of course. It's very common. You know, they both can be self-centered at times. I mean, but can we all. Yes. Yes, and I think that he is, of course, toxic, but I do think that he loves her. And his actions in The American in Paris, part two, I'm like, he loves that woman. And he did, and at the wedding, it was a lot.

I kind of see why he was a little bit, like, freaked out. And I do get that he was like, it looks bad because it's my second marriage. And I've already had my, my marriage was in the trades. I think also he tried to call. she's got to start using that phone She's got to get that Exactly I'm like Lily Don't play this

I know I'm like I think of course I'm glad that she was like You at the wedding I mean that was and when my girl gave them the Adelves One of the few ad lives ever That's my girl But yeah I

That was all the years of them telling me Charlotte Couldn't be angry pent up Got to come out a bad moment Watch this Is that posing on ready to rip Yeah you go Let's go. Right.

But I just, yeah, I think I kind of, I'm, I'm a Charlotte in that way that I am like, I do see that there is like a love and a friction here. I think there's other powers that be, do I think they're like totally perfect for each other? Maybe not, but I do think that there was a beautiful bond there. And I really don't want to, I don't want to speak ill of it. I don't like her and Aden together, way more than I have problems with that. Yeah, we can't talk about that right now because we will never talk about it. I know. Yeah, sorry.

Okay. It's okay. This is my thing. So I, at the time, right, because I play Charlotte and Charlotte was always believing in love and always proven, right? So I never, ever, ever second-guessed it at all. And I'm not the kind of actor where I read a script and think about it from an outside perspective. Cynthia does that beautifully. Like she'll say, oh, we need more of this or this or that.

You know, she can think about it analytically. I'm in it from the second that I read it. I'm never out of it. You know what I'm saying? Oh, of course, you're like, this is, only the information I'm getting in this is. Right, and I'm going to go with it. And yes, I'm building on it in my head, right? Like, what do I need to deepen out here in my mind that I'm going to play, subtext, whatever, blah, blah, blah.

Especially in the beginning, right, because we were just starting. But I never questioned big. And also, and I've said this many times, but, oh, I see Benny with the Kardashians. I was supposed to talk to you about that. Next pay. Next time. Okay, good. I really felt, I really felt, like, I look back on it now because I never rewatched before

I am now, right? So I'm, like, these episodes, I hardly remember. Yeah. It's fascinating. I don't know what I'm about to do. I'm like, what am I about to do? When they came out, did you watch them? I watched it before they came out because they'd give us a VHS.

Oh, whoa. Before it was on HBO. Okay, so you'd just watch that and then that was it. We'd run home and be like, oh my God, you'd be so excited. At least I was, right? You know what I mean. I wasn't that critical of myself back then. But also, I was so into the world we were creating.

Well, yeah, of course. Yeah, I wanted to see. So, yeah, yeah. And see what everyone else is doing. That's always fun to be like, I even know you were shooting that. Right, because you weren't there. Yeah. It's so fun.

It's really cool. Yeah. So I never thought twice about big. And I also think that we were just very, very used to men like this. Of course. And I mean, it's not like they don't exist now, but like back then they were kind of the norm. Yeah. Him in this episode, looking at women, I'm like, yeah, that's, I don't see any changes now.

Like, I still, I'll still, I'll still literally. literally be with like a guy a straight guy yeah it's rare but I'll be with a straight guy every now on them and I'll see like them check out you know a waitress and I'm like I'm sure I do that to guys you know I'm like I get that and also I've seen like women do that I mean my friends but do we do it as obviously no of course not there's um so men don't do this thing it's called being discreet I would say that that's not necessarily on the menu right but I do think that um yeah I get where Carrie's coming from I wish big I hate him in that bar scene with the cigar.

That part is so... Oh, my God. Isn't that so cringe? It's like I die a little bit. That's where he loses me. You know what's so sad. It's so sad because the episode before he sings to her in the Italian restaurant.

He says my girlfriend. And you're a love and says that you're just like, everything I ever said wrong about him. I take it back. Exactly. And then... We're now in this episode with the waitress. And he wants to smoke a cigar

and this adorable young waitress comes and Carrie puts up with it. And I'm dying for her. And she looks fabulous. She looks fabulous. She looks fabulous at all times. Really at all times. It's insane. You know my favorite carry moment?

I feel like actually now I think it's getting its flowers. But when she's got the newsboy cap on ponytail, midrift, Gucci. Gucci belt. And she shows up at the bar and Aiden's playing like Yotsie with the bartender. And you guys want me to like Aiden. Don't be crazy. Don't be crazy. Funny.

I haven't gotten to that part. I know the outfit. Oh, get ready. He's a bastard. when he tries to, when he tries to punish her for her little, her love with Big, sorry. I love Carrie's Holmerich. That's a whole thing. That's a whole thing.

We're not there. We have to sit here. I know. I know. Yes. Okay, okay. So, here we are. He, so this is the thing that bugs me about the, so what about Samantha?

Samantha says, so Big is very obviously looking at other women as Carrie in here walking on the street. Yeah. Then she talks to all of, no, she talks to just Samantha when they're walking in Central Park. and she basically says that he's wondering and he's very good and she says

Samantha says you can't change the part about a man it's in their genetic code like something else I'm not going to say she said like farting yes thank you yeah of course you gotta have

I say all the crude stuff I need to get it here totally but this is her she's a theme right because in the cheating episode she's like this is just what they're gonna do it's in their code that's genetics it's who they are

like are you of that thinking that it's just men are going to do this yeah um oh i mean there's a pattern for sure i think that there's a natural thing that we tell straight men that there's like always a something better out there for them you know so they don't think gay men feel this maybe sometimes but i do think it feels very straight guy to be like the world is built for you and i think it is in a lot of ways so then i think they're they're like hedging their bets because there might be something better maybe. And also I think, um, yeah, I don't think Samantha's wrong in that if this is like a huge red flag, I don't think that this feels like the biggest red flag just because just I think guys

in general. Now, the red flag is how he acts in that restaurant. Totally. Totally. Totally. That's where I'm like, you're so brutal. I know. And thank God. She's like, yeah. Doesn't she say she's like, you're so, you're so full of yourself? Does she say it there? She says something like that. We'll get to it in a second. I mean, but this is when this whole episode starts and you can, she's holding it and holding it in, holding it in, holding it, and holding in it, which I really relate to and feel for her. And, you know, it's fascinating to watch and she does it so beautifully, you know, because I was talking to someone else who said, oh, you know, she makes drama when things are good. But that's because she's held in so many things. Yeah, of course. Also, she's

an observer. I think, like, she's coming to this as, like, a writer in someone who's writing about it. So it's like, her being thoughtful, also talking to her friends a lot about it. I don't know if I necessarily think that that's like narcissistic or like I think it is her job right and that to me I'm like is kind of the this feels like you would anyone in relationships is probably talking about it too much especially a new relationship with their friends that's just kind of like what people do and I want my girls too they once they're done I go start from the top let's go I want to hear it again what do we think he's doing I got to hear this again oh my god you're such a good friend I love that so your Anthony in a lot of ways.

Love it. Yeah. Think about that. I will. I will. I think you're less angry than my Anthony. Oh, definitely less angry. Yes, yes, yes.

Yeah, I'm more playful. Yes, which I love. So let me ask you this. We've got, we are in the depths now with Miranda and Steve. He just showed up last episode. Yeah. I, first of all, didn't even realize he comes in the second season. He's early.

And he's amazing. Yeah. From the first second. Isn't he adorable? Which I didn't remember. Yeah. He's really not to, you know, do, you know, not to do it. What would this be?

I guess I don't know. I'm like, what would I, how would this get me in trouble? But he just has a great butt. Well, I never noticed. And so much love for Steve's butt. Like, I feel like people, like, as like a young gay guy watching the show is like, Steve's like kind of hot as hard. Yeah, because everyone's like big and they all other guys, but I'm like, Steve's hot.

Oh my God. He's very hot and he's hot. He's sexy. But because I know him and I can't. It's weird, do you mean? Yeah, yeah. And I mean, yeah. And he's so much more than that.

Right, he really is. And the thing that's great about him is that he's very, in the way that I think Evan also does, and definitely Kyle does, from the minute they show up, even though you don't know that that guy is going to stay. And I can't remember if we really knew what was going to happen with Eckenberg. Yeah. They come with so much. And they feel so real. So real. Like they feel like the fully formed.

Because some I think so beautifully are so beautifully written as. this almost like like the jazz guy for some reason is so funny to me because that is such a specific guy and you don't want to it's like boom that's him there is nothing else you need to know that's true whereas like some just feel like like even in aden i know i'm being really hard on him today i don't know why but um like you just feel like there's a lot yeah i'm not going to mention this don't even don't even okay i don't know what to say to that i'm still recovering myself we hey we all are i think you know this show so beautifully writes these like complex, like iconic women, but the way men are written, I feel like is so, I don't know,

so inspiring to me with the show, because it just, yeah, at times you can make so flat, so satirical, so, but then someone like Steve can come in and they're just, what you thought you were imposing on the spirit, they're completely different. They're not. Yeah, totally. That's so true. And where he's coming from and, yeah, I love Steve. That's so true. And what I love is like, so he really also cuts through her stuff, you know, like Marion is obviously complicated and, you know, tough and all of the things, right? and she was so mean to him in the first episode that he comes. And now they're just having all this sex and stuff.

Oh, yeah. She's trying to stay awake. At 7 a.m. Right. And he wants morning sex and she doesn't. Jesus. It's a very interesting thing. Yeah.

But then she gets all dressed up for him and drinks a bunch of coffee. And then he comes over and he falls asleep and then she's like, no. That's so, that's so like, it's those moments. I think it even is the, you know, the Charlotte. I'm your wife. And, you know, I won't do the whole thing again. But it is, it is fully just putting your, it's like those vulnerable moments, I think are where the show is so.

funny and real and that like there's something funny about turning on sexiness because I think no one knows when they're actually sexy good point like we all think this thing is so sexy but then I say that to someone and they're like no that was it was so much hotter when you did that and I'm like oh my god I looked really gross you know what I'm you're like I hate when I wear my hair like that right right right right right right so it's something I think it's true like that it feels so real and that he's like you look great but it's like that's not the you know Well, it's also like she obviously made this effort, which I think matters because previously she was kind of making none, right? But men don't care about the effort.

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Well, I do think Steve cares, because apparently later, someone else told me this again. I'm really, like, in it. He asks her to do something for him, come to his basketball. And then she doesn't, but then she does, right? Yeah. But, you know, she's just, Miranda has her walls and she's so much, right? And she's like, I'm not going to compromise or whatever. She's stern.

That's her thing. And as we know the whole course of them, this is. going to continue in different ways. Yeah. In beautiful ways. I feel like their relationship. Oh, I love it. I think so too. I'm glad.

I think their relationship is so, yeah, I don't know. It feels really real to like, I agree. I don't know. I went to college with a lot of New York kids, and I feel like she feels like a lot of the parents I met. And those relationships feel like the parents I met. I don't know. Oh, that's super interesting.

I don't know how to describe it. Well, I think the people who go to New York, first of all, there's a bunch of interesting people who go, right? Like, you only go to New York if, like, you're full of. of something, right? Something you want to super succeed. A lust for life.

Alpha. Lust for life. Creativity, whatever it is. You only go to New York if you're like overly full, right? And then you go there and then you might be like, oh, shit, what did I do? This place is insane and you might leave. But if you stay and you create a family, that means you're a different type of person. Exactly.

Exactly. That's so, yeah, especially from people who came to New York, not like raise that. Because I had friends who's like parents grew up in Brooklyn. and like that feels different. Definitely, definitely. Definitely different. Oh, yeah. There's something about them. It all feels very real. I'm with you. I'm totally with you. Okay. So I love their thing. Now we see me with this guy and, you know, apologies to this person. I don't remember him literally at all. Like it's so weird. Well, there were a lot. Yeah. Yeah. But you see yourself and you're like, oh my God, I'm kissing. I have no. I'm just like, I was blacked out that episode. I don't know. I mean, the amount of like hours you're clocking in, honestly at that point. It's so. It's so. On a soundstage, it is just like, I'm sorry. No, and we're not even on a sound stage at that point. Oh, are you really not?

I do think I had, I think at this point, I saw my white flowers. Charlotte's white flowers show up in this episode for the first time. It's very exciting. Yeah, huge. I live for them. Let's go, yeah. I think I might have three flats for my bedroom now. Okay.

I started with just two and a bed and a nightstand and a picture of a woman falling through water. Yes. That was it. And that bed that's so high. It's high. It's such a high bed. Yeah, TV in the corner. It's high.

Although I don't think Charlotte would have a TV in her room. No, I know. I think I only had it because I had that handyman one time who had to come fix the TV and then I decided to have sex with him because they could fix it. Exactly. The actor that you thought was gay. Don't even start with me. We can go all day.

I'm way impressed because I didn't remember that. I love that gay guy that you're like, you know, you think he's gay. He's coming. Oh, no. Oh, my God. But that's one that's, see, let me ask you. Oh, my God. That's incredible.

Yeah. Oh, my God. I also had a huge crush. Well, duh. Yeah. Yeah. Let me ask you this. We called him metrosexual.

Oh, yeah, which I think we got to bring that back. That was so. Okay. So you're not against. No, I think, I mean, maybe. I don't know. I'm like, I don't think I'm, I don't know if I'm pro or against. I think I'm more like, I just, if that was a tiptoe into being more accepting of gay people, hell yeah.

But also I'm like, it is funny to finally like give it a term because it's like, you guys are acting fucking gay. You're really confusing us. If we said that at the time, it would have been bad. Yeah. But Metro feels like it was the culture at that. Right. But then see, my thing is also like, they're like, no, that guy is gay. You can't go out with him.

And I'm like, he is? Oh, no. I think. I haven't rewatched. But I think there's like a lot of, um. I think you're like, let me see. I really love Charlotte being like, it feels very true. It feels very true to my experiences with women too where it would be like,

gay was put so far down on the list of things they thought that were going wrong between me and them. You know? They're like, it's me. It's my body. It's my hair. For sure. For sure.

For sure. The way I talk. For sure. And then someone's like, or he's a flaming homosexual. And they're like, no, no, I don't see that. Wait, can I do that your story? Yes, please. Okay, I went to college with a bunch of actors.

I went to Rutgers and they had a musical school of the arts, like the FAA program. Yeah. So when we started. I think I know where this is going. You do. When we started, the sophomores and up would take beds on the freshmen and who would be gay and who wouldn't be gay. And we were just like, what? Yeah.

And I came from South Korea. Carolina. So I was super clueless. I know a bunch of gay people, but no one said they were gay. No, of course. They were in South Carolina. Yeah. So in the 80s. You're like, yeah, my prom date is gay, but that's also my boyfriend. So. Exactly. Yeah. And we've been together for a while. Exactly. Yeah. So I have a boyfriend in college in my freshman year. His name was Bob. And he was a sophomore. So I thought, well, he's already passed the freshman test or whatever. Yeah, of course. Yeah. I love this. That test would have meant the world to me. Let me tell you.

He was so sweet, right? And really, like, he could have emotional conversations with him. I had never had this in my young life. Yeah, come here. I mean, I'd never. Totally. So then in the intimacy category, he was really into giving oral sex. Yeah.

Not so much into the other things, right? It's not really my thing, which I know, like, I'm saying a lot. I understand it's click bait right now, but this is the truth in your Benny, so I'm going to tell you. I was like, that's not really my thing. thing so much but it just I could never like get over that hurdle

so real sorry at a certain point I'm talking to my other freshman girlfriends about it and we're all just like huh well that's interesting and they're all like but don't you like that

isn't that good totally like he's trying to please you isn't that great and I'm like well I don't know it's just really kind of all that happens and like I just can't seem to like you just keep thinking it's going to progress

And it just doesn't. And that's kind of it. Yeah. And they were like, oh, but isn't it? That's not really bad. And I'm like, I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I don't know why it took him so long, but come junior year, very gay.

Yeah. But then it was a drama. And it's so sad when I look back on it. I know. Because it was like such a, it's like what your show is about. You know, and that's part of why I love your show. Like it's, it is a specific relationship that you should be able to make great. Yeah.

But it's what, what's so, it's like, it's like, it. It's both sad, but then also in the end, I think there is something beautiful about it. There's like a safety. As long as like women, I think I always feel terrible if it ever comes across as like women getting used in that way. Oh, I didn't feel used. You know, it's so much. I did feel confused. Absolutely.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's it. It's a little bit like mental warfare that we're unfortunately. What's happening? Psychological warfare that we're imposing on women where they're like, what's going. Yeah. And so I think that's the thing too. It's like that everyone is kind of having this in all of their, you know,

sexual exploration, you know? Some level. Some level of it. Yes, yes, yes. And I think that's what Sex and the City does so beautifully that there are so many other ways that these things can be strange because sex is so weird. Like the way that, you know, and everyone brings a weirdness to it. 100%. But, yeah, it is, oh God. Oh, Bob. I know.

And then, but the thing that was sad was that after we'd been so close, I was always just like a little mad at him, I guess. Do you know what I was just like, yeah? Well, mad. Fucker. Yeah. That makes sense. And I think that's, that also is the show. And then I'm like, I, these relationships are so complicated.

Like it does, they're in, and there's miscommunication. And there's, you are, you know, unfortunately, like telling a, you know, something false. Right. And we were 18 or 19 or whatever. Yeah. So you're feeling sure. And you're like, oh, I put, yeah, you're like, I gave you my body. Like, I felt, you know. And then like, oh, he wasted my time.

That was kind of a thing to. Right. No, I didn't have that conversation at that point in time. Being in a theater school, I would say probably most. Oh, yeah. You had to look real hard. You had to look real hard to find anyone And then it would probably be the one you would never would have thought Oh no, no, it was one that I totally thought

Oh, okay And he was great, great boyfriend But it took me till senior year to figure that out But it was great because it was freedom It was freedom once you kind of accepted You know, it's just freedom You know what I'm saying? Oh totally

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Do you want to talk about Charlotte and this boy Let's do it? To get circumcised Which is so weird And honestly, can it even happen? So yeah, I don't know if this I don't think it can.

But I love that Charlotte's pushing our guys like this, that she's saying, hey, I need this. But it is so a guy thing to have this new, at the end when he's like, I know. I kind of have this newfound life. I know. But also, you don't see it coming from this dude. He's like kind of. It's just great. It's just like it's such a deliciously written sequence to me that it's like, I mean, I don't, yeah, I don't.

This is so interesting to me because it is so American and that this is such. Because I grew up in Idaho, so it was like, if someone was uncircumcised, everyone knew. Right. It was very different. It was so different. And so, yeah. And so I feel like there is something so Charlotte when she has that line that she's like, I'm from Connecticut. Right.

That is so. It's so. Mary Beth Barone. 100%. 100%. Yeah. Hey guys. It's AZ Fudd.

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It's so much so that acting is. really feels really fun oh my gosh yeah yeah i'm like kind of back in back in the swing of things yeah love it love it i love that take on it um i don't i think she could have maybe come to love it at some point if she really ended up liking the guy yeah i don't think that guy was exciting enough i completely agree and i think she was like oh yeah maybe let's see and then right i'm getting it done though at first i could see how that'd be like for me right no that was exciting a gift for charlotte you're 100% what could be better than that and also the girls are like you know the girl Girls don't even get on her thinking, which is obviously not unusual, but it is very sweet.

But there are also so many big things that happen, but, you know, we don't want to, I don't even want to try. Well, Samantha's my favorite is very much, I really see myself reflected in that of returning to an ex-girlfriend and you're, like, dressed up as them in a way. I don't know. I think about that a lot where I'm like, well, yeah, I had kind of been with this girl in college if you, and so I'm, I wonder if she would ever see this. We're telling college stories. It's okay. And I just, I've never heard. a single thing from her about anything

and I've never heard anyone ask her but I am curious like if she it seems like maybe she is kind of like more on the mad side of you know and kind of like what the fuck you really duped me. Maybe you should reach out. Does she still live in Idaho? No, no this was in college

so this was like Georgetown oh my god but it's just so but it's so funny to me to think like oh my god yeah I don't know that scene feels so real of like my thought looking at it was why is she not more flattered well what i mean incredible delivery of like i'm so much prettier than her um that is so it's just that's incredible um i think now maybe more flattered i think at the time i think it might be a little

bit of the the bob thing where you're like damn wait really and like am i the reason that you're out now right and she's confused by that that makes sense but i'm a perfect woman right right you know like how so I and I think there is just something so almost in that of him like taking her entire vibe for the drag queen I feel like is also maybe where is that not flattering I think both the name and the look is kind of like that could be like too much wait you're you know of like calling yourself you took my whole vibe yeah got it got it got it got I'm clearly the reference here right you know and but but it's just a I think that is almost like just a beautifully like comedic scene in a in an in an episode. that feels more like about this complicated of like carry in big kind of being hell a little bit yes definitely so you almost need that moment of like oh definitely i was thinking about this as i rewatch like how once we feel more confident to be dramatic yeah the things that we have deemed to be the comedy subplots have to be upped of course yeah yeah it's like tone i mean that show like i think sex in the city balances tone

so beautifully because it's like the second it would maybe get too much than there is like a like laugh or just like someone one of the side stories whether it be you or Miranda or you know and that these and or Carrie at times where like that that's the humor like even I think hot child in the city I'm trying to think of what the other storylines

were but Carrie's just kind of funny because it's just like a young guy that she's like smoking weed with yeah and it's like she kind of gets to have that kind of like fun light sexy hair yeah exactly and he's like he draws her in a comic book you know and it feels very oh we had a new writer

Who do comic books. Alan, this is why it happened. Yes, it is all coming back to me. It just feels very light. And I think the show can balance that. And what a gift of an ensemble. I think that that's so fun for writers to be like, okay, if it's going to be so, if this is going to be so sad,

like I remember when I was writing the fifth episode, Scott King and I were laughing so much at the thought of Haley spreading mono at this party while, you know, me and Carmen are getting our hearts broken. But just playing within that world of like, because, you know, people sign up for a, comedy. So you also want to give them. Definitely. Can I ask a very risky question? Please. Please. I never want to leave. You're so sweet. I don't want you to leave. I don't want you to leave. So obviously we took time off. We did the movies. We took time off. We came back with then just like that.

Yeah. We intended to come back and make a different show with the same characters, which I know is slightly insane. I don't know if I knew it then, but I definitely know it now. Well, of course. As is always the case. Right. And no one had really done this. It's not something that's commonly done. We're so lucky we got to do it obviously. And the tone is different, obviously, because we could never replicate the tone. Yeah. You know, and it's twice as long and there's more characters and we're dealing with different things.

Yeah. But when you look at, say, the balance of drama and comedy in Sex and the City and then the whatever people want to call it, like people talk about how like we're insane on and just like that, which I don't feel when I'm in it. Like that people are acting insane in the show or that it's or like, oh, the scenario. are insane. I don't feel any of it is insane. I don't think it's insane. I think it's a, it's a shift from the show, but in a way that, yeah, that feels like you have to naturally evolve. I mean, what an insane creative challenge, I think, is like the whole process of it, because also each one is coming to,

you want to show evolution of characters. And I think that's something tricky that, that people, you know, whether they love or don't love how a character is acting, it's like, but the actor also has to bring in history to it. Like, this has been, they are not that character that you met because no one is the person that they were 30 years ago. That would be strange. And that's the problem, though, because we're frozen in time and still being watched. Yeah.

Yet we're making this new thing. Well, that's why it's smart to create a different format for it. But I think there's still an obvious blend of comedy and drama and maybe like a little bit lesser, like intense drama. I mean, I guess big, like literally drop dead, but sorry. I'm laughing because I'm uncomfortable. I get it. No, I get it.

I get it. Just like, I guess. Well, that was how we started. So then that was kind of the ultimate. Exactly. Exactly. That there is like a maybe more levity than or maybe like, I don't know. For me, definitely.

I don't know. I think that the show so beautifully can keep people still engaged. Well, that's true. That's the thing. I'm like, exactly, which I think isn't that like, I don't know, it's kind of proving itself in that it's like still we have so much to say about women and what we think women should be and act and do in culture and whether that be sexually or with their families or exactly so I'm like I don't know and and each of the relationships also still feel complicated like I think the

Carrie and Aden thing does kind of sound like something that I think some people that are single at that age feel and that there's you know so I'm like that feel are you really yeah marry me let's do it but what about your boyfriend is he going to to come he's coming with of course my charlotte yeah oh that's so sweet yeah he really is my charlotte are you a charlotte at all okay so i think i'm charlotte rising okay because at times i am very oh okay you know and i do feel kind of like a preppy boy and i like being straight a i like doing you know i was valedictorian yeah you're overachiever big time very that yeah but then i think i lean maybe a little bit like naughtier like Samantha uh-huh and then i do have like some carry in me i

I was going to say Kerry. I do feel a bit carry-ish. I'm not, but I love her so much. Of course. And I surround myself, I think, with Miranda and Charlott's. Got it. Got it, got it, got it. Like, Mary Beth, to me, feels like a bit of,

she's such a Charlotte, but then I think there's like a Miranda. She got a, she got a, she's very logical, very like sharp. But also like, sharp, sharp, sharp, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Charlotte's not, I wouldn't use sharp. I think she is. She's so sharp. I was so mean right then. She's so like, I think what I love it is like the stances are always just like, it's this.

Oh, that's true. And that feels so merry of that to me. And so my horse girl. That's true. That's true. By like, my East Coast girls. That's true. Like, you nail that.

Thank you. And just like that is a joy. Like, just to be clear, like everything. I think it's cool that there's so much discourse. Like that is so, to me, of course it's scary. But I like, I think I'm getting like a tiny dose. of that with my show where people have so many opinions of characters and they

keep being like redeem him or I hate her or she's a lesbian and I'm like well I know I know right sometimes you're just like what but I think the fact that people are talking about it and electrified and that carry all of a sudden is fucking pissed at Miranda hell yeah I'm seated it was fascinating she's not at her I didn't see it coming man don't drink

that Mexican Coke I was scared I was scared she's like you touched that yogurt one more time I was scared last week when they argued after my birthday party I was like what happened I know I haven't seen the latest week That's tonight Got it, got it, got it Yeah

And yeah Because the coke I think was even before It's been coming You know what I'm saying Well she took the last Mexican Coke I know but see

They have a complex relationship When you look back It's almost like They're kind of in love I think there's something there I agree But they need to kiss But there's something

There's something in that There's something in that pho Oh At this point it's like Letter Rip You know what I mean You go Charlotte's a lesbian too I know listen

I just watched my power lesbians. It was really fun. I was like, Charlotte missed her opportunity, man. That woman, oh my God, her lines. What a great mic drop she gets. Fantastic. But if you're not going to eat pussy, you're not Oh, I know, man. I know. I went to the cubby room when I was young. And we'll end there. I love you so much. I love you so much. You're perfect. Hey guys, it's AZ Fudd. You may know me as a gold medalist. You may know me. You may know me. as an NCAA national champion. You may even know me as a people's princess.

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