Are You A Charlotte? - Do the Clothes make the Man?

Episode Date: December 22, 2025

First, a groundbreaking reveal about The Devil Wears Prada 2!!Then, Carrie’s famous fur has a secret and Molly Rogers is letting you in on it.  She shares some concerns about Aiden’s style, that turquoise ring and chocolate suit.Plus, the details you want about Charlotte’s wedding dress!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I said, you're going to see my face till the day that you died. Listen to the Girlfriends Untouchable on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, I'm Kristen Davis, and I want to know, Are You a Charlotte? Hello, everybody. Welcome to Are You a Charlotte? Today, we have one of my all-time favorite. people on the planet earth. Molly Rogers are incredible costume designer who worked with Pat Field from the pretty much very beginning of the show and then also designed and just like that. And she's going to recap all the outfits of season three when we really just jumped up a whole level in terms of the fashion of the show. So please enjoy. It's a fun time. You guys, Molly Rogers is

with us coming to us from the Bahamas. Oh, we are jealous. Thank you so much for having me again. It's so fun to talk to you. I know. It's amazing to have you back. Thank you for joining me from your vacation. Apparently, vacating?

I mean, what's happening? I don't know. I just, by the way, I just want to say it's horrible here because I don't want anybody coming. Well, I saw the picture you put on Instagram. of the traffic, which is, of course, a sandy, sandy path. I was just immediately filled with jealousy. I am not going to say anything about this paradise. It is fantastic.

You're in a secret location. I have done my homework. Oh, good. I looked at how jam-packed that season was. I mean, season three, we had to have you back on to revisit season three because it is incredible. There is so much in there. And can I just say, and I don't know if this was your experience, season three was when we started going into stores and people were like, oh, yeah, I know that show. Definitely.

Like it was really starting to borrow and, yeah. Yes, I do absolutely remember that. And I feel like, you know, Sarah Jessica, this is when I think, to me, things clicked in my mind. that Sarah Jessica had had these previous relationships with designers, right? And had known them and gone to events with them. And she understood, you know, kind of the personal side of it in terms of how to go about that relationship and being respectful, of course, and returning everything when you were supposed to and all of that.

And that was when I started trying to find, you know, who I liked, number one, who fit me, number two. And then trying to kind of develop those relationships, whether it be through going to fashion week to their show or, you know, getting to know, like the personal shopper at Prada was our close friend for a long time. Oh, that's right. Remember her? She was fantastic.

Well, I remember, yes, she was great. And I remember Kevin, too, who's there. Yeah, amazing. Amazing. Well, you educated yourself so, so quickly. Thank you. Because that was kind of unexplored territory in a weird way for television. Oh, very much so.

I mean, obviously, we were in television, we were HBO. Yeah, like, yeah, true. But I remember people, we go to ask for something, and people were like, sex in the city, is that some show about work out? Like, they wanted to see it first before they played with us. Oh, for sure, for sure. And I feel like it was also the year,

this is the year that we got nominated for the Emmy, which was like, for me. I remember everything about that so vividly. And the shock, like the shock. Do you remember how shocked we were? And the fact that we then win it eventually, like the next year, also just still insane to think about because no HBO comedy had ever been nominated,

much less won, you know? And we always thought that the Sopranos would be the ones. And of course, they also were. But it was so wonderful that we were thought of in that way. Exactly. So heavy hitters. Yeah. In it. Yeah. I just have to say your hair. Thank you. And your skin is always flawless. Thank you, baby. This is neglected hair that is very, very long. Okay. It's very, very long and slightly dead on the ends from work. So it needs some love. But you're looking fantastic there on your bake cake. Well, let's just say, oh, this paradise is not telling you my GPS location at all. Never come here. It's horrible.

I will not. But I'm happy that you're getting some rest because we couldn't have you on for a while because you were working. You have been busy, busy, busy, busy lady. I have. And it was, as you can imagine, an incredible experience that you gals trained to me really well for. I'm just going to tell everybody. So Molly was doing the Devil Wars part of two. She was on the Devil Wars Part of One with Pat.

And, you know, Molly and Pat have been with us since the very, very beginning. Well, Molly was not on the pilot. She was on episode one. So, you know, episode two, I guess, right? But that's pretty much the very beginning, 1998. And we love her desperately, people, desperately. And as Sarah Jessica and I have many, many times discussed, the level of detail that you bring to everything you do is,

beyond. Like, we have, neither of us have ever worked with anyone that brings the level of detail of each button. Molly has an obsession with buttons, you guys. You do. Buttons and tassels and trim, okay? Trim, brograin, ribbons, tassels, buttons. She has, like, a column in the, you know, in the fitting room that I think you guys have seen the pictures on Instagram. I'll repost when we air this. She has, like, a column where, like, buttons, like, sheets of buttons that she got in like midtown you know like there's ribbon store in midtown Molly will go and she will find all these ribbons and bring the ribbons back and make earrings out of them for you okay like earrings if you're so craft no it is it is crafty because

it's like old school you know right you also will take a dress completely apart and re put it together obviously with our wonderful tailor Adrian or you know totally whomever you're working You know, I'm sure those ribbon stores and button stores were probably not there anymore. They are losing, losing the garment center as we speak. That's upsetting. And I learned detail is for winners from those control freaks, Pat, S.J. Yeah. And I guess you, for sure.

Oh, no. You taught me, babe. You taught me. Attention to everything. Yeah. And as we know these days, that is so true what people pay attention to. Oh, my gosh. I mean, yeah, you were...

The minutia. The minutia. Yeah, absolutely. It's not pleasant. No, the minutia is a little bit much. And as we talked about with a different person who was on a couple weeks ago, the bizarre paparazzi, you know, like continual paparazzi all day long, which you guys also got on Prada, is I think in some ways detrimental because you're seeing

these outfits out of... context. Like I remember when we came back within just like that, we knew that we had killed big, but not everybody knew. Thank goodness, we had to keep it top secret. So people were just so confused why Carrie was dressing like that. And it was so frustrating because they don't know the plot or the story. Thank goodness they don't, right? But you're seeing just you're being inundated all day long with the paparazzi pictures on your Instagram and you're thinking, why is she wearing that? You know, and it makes no sense. Whereas if you knew the plot, it might make sense, but I feel like you've already gone through this gauntlet of judgment

from the paparazzi pictures, which is really unfair because the costumes are supposed to tell a story. They're not just supposed to be great standalone outfits necessarily. Right. They're not commercials. Like I, in the conjecture, which is what you're talking about too, that goes on and on, why would she wear that? I just experienced the little taste of what may be coming at me, there was a teaser release of product. Oh, honey, I know. Do you, did it get you to? Listen, I follow everything because I love you so much. And so I'm always, and I'm not, I don't even obviously text you if it's stressy, because I'm like, I know she's stressing. I need your warnings. Oh, maybe I should warn you. I mean, look, I also feel, I mean, what I like about,

if I have to try to find the silver lining of the critique that's happened. continually is that when they first see something, right? When when Instagram, TikTok, whatever, first experiences something, they'll, they say their gut reaction. Like, why would Miranda Presley be wearing, you know, what you call them studs? What do they call them? Which, Valentino Rock Stud, thank you so much.

Why? Why? Why? And then they were like, there's this shoe, there's this shoe, there's this shoe. And, I mean, it is a kind of a tyranny in a way. like I was invited to something recently and I really just was like frozen. I thought like, I don't know if everyone is going to be wearing couture gowns from the runway

or like a black dress to look decent and whatever. But like all the people and I love them all. I love Nikki Bell. I'm all for them and I love their point of view. But like it's scary, right? Yeah. Am I going to be picked apart if I don't wear

a couture gown from the runway? I don't know. It's so scary. So I didn't go. I'm just trying to live my life. I know. I'm just trying to live my life. I know.

And I wanted to support it. It was for Clooney and I wanted to support, but I didn't go because I was like, I don't have an outfit that they're not going to kill me for, so I didn't go. But it's the same with these teasers, right? You put out a teaser. I thought it was fantastic. And then first they're like, she would never wear a rock stud. That was 19, whatever, blah, blah, blah.

I don't know what year it was. What is the message here? Right. What is the message? But what I loved is that it did come around. Like first they were like, no, no, no, no, that's terrible. No, whatever. Then, and they were like, this is.

is a better choice. This is a better choice, which always cracks me up. Also, right? And also, you're working with actors who have an opinion. And I'm not saying Merrill chose that shoe. I don't know who chose that shoe. You don't have to tell us. I want to. Okay, great. Tell us. Tell us. Who chose the shoe. Sometimes, well, I wasn't in the room, of course, but sometimes you're in a room with people like marketing people. Who think they know better than you. And that shoe, if you want a bang and a punch for a commercial, yeah, that's like a bold statement.

Was it character related? No. Got it. So it was insisted on. and both shoes, mine and theirs, was shot. And then when I saw the teaser, I was, who did that? Oh, Molly. Yeah.

That's so upsetting, you guys. This is really important because everyone wants to blame the costume designer. And it's so not fair because there are so many players, the director, the actor. He has a very good, you know, very distinct. Frankl, David Frankl, director, and he has a good opinion and is respectful, I believe, you know, to Polly, which is wonderful. And then the actor sometimes has opinions, you know, certainly. If they have a bunion or something. Sure, they might have, they might have some, like, real actual walking issues, like a serious issue.

That's true. Like, there are some people that they cannot wear the super high heels. And then there's some people, they might be really, really good at it. I'm not going to name names right now. but then they hurt their foot in a certain shoe and that kind of hobbles them and then you are just like trying like one time I know for for you know for myself I was trying to wear those super high heels I was like I can still do it no no no no and then we were doing the dress for when I fall on the mattress in the art gallery right and for some reason I chose those lunatic level lubitons that Zendaya wears I think we just thought they looked good with the dress in the room I forgot everything that I have to do in those shoes. And then after that, I was in some pain. And there was a coffee, no, it's not coffee shop, the Mario's place, you know, the bread, the bread place. Hot fellas. Hot fellas. Good job, Molly. Is that it? Yes. Hot fellas. I'm in hot fellows. I have to get up

at one table and walk to the other table and my feed hurts so badly that I kind of teeter totter across the room in like the saddest way. Oh my gosh. Because it was. like the week after or whatever. You know what I'm saying? So like I had I had done myself in in the gallery and then I was still wearing those really high shoes because I think we had them in like every color, you know? And I had that thought to myself. And you were paying for it. Right. And I was like, we're just sitting in the restaurant, right? It'll be fine. But I forgot I had to go talk to the other moms. Oh my gosh. But I have to say that I think was because of the physicality in the gallery because you are pretty, pretty, you know, stealth and good in really tall ones,

like truly. I'm usually pretty good. It was that I had to run in them and then fall and we had my scent double, but she never did it because that's how it always happens, right? So I did it like 40 times maybe, you know, kind of cuckoo level. And I think it was pretty late at night, you know, which is our way. Who would you call if the unthinkable happened? I just fell and started screaming.

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nora jones is playing along on the iHeart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts okay there were choices of shoes is what you're saying there were choices so your choice is not what ended up, and this is a reel. This is important to have on the record, Molly. That was not your choice. And so there were marketing people involved. And what you're saying to me is that they felt that that was kind of an identifiable, bold choice. I think that through their untrained eye and not just seeing like a gold grommet,

they thought that has a lot of punch. Interesting. We got to get a lot for our money. Wow. I don't think that these things are translated into character. She would never. No, probably not. No.

No, no, wow. It's too flashy for her. It's flashy and it's also like just slightly not current. Yeah, but it's like things happen as you know. Yeah. This is important to be on the record about it, I think, because sometimes people want to just take you to task. And I feel like it's very unfair. It's very unfair.

And there's some things in this episode. I mean, the season, I guess, we're looking at the whole season, season three, which is like the year 2000, right? Which is kind of a long time ago. But it's also so amazing how incredibly current things really look. Absolutely. Which is bizarre to me. Is it because the 90s or whatever they want to consider it the 90s is kind of back? Or is it just that they're timelessly good outfits?

I don't know. mean, I'm looking at all your references from this jam-packed season. Yeah, it's a lot. And I see things that are, you know, like a lot of Cavali on Carrie. Oh, I know. I know. Listen, I brought my Cavali. I need to show this to you guys.

I'm going to put it on the Instagram because I brought this because I was going to wear it, okay? And it looks really big how I'm holding it up right now. I was going to wear it. But when I put it, it's like a little handkerchief. I was like, I can't wear this. I was going to wear this in honor of our podcast because I keep this a little drawer at home, but this is a Kavali. It's like so of the time, right? It's so cute,

isn't it? Absolutely. The fabric and the crisp, the glitter. Yeah. It's like a painting. You wore that as Charlotte? I wore this on the rooftop. Remember the baking hot? Oh gosh. Yeah. The cookout. Yes, the end of the season with that iconic picture. If I do say so myself, of us laughing, when our feet had sunken into the tar because that was. the level of heat we were dealing with that day. Oh my gosh. Those are the things you remember. It is.

And also the elevators broke. And so we were walking up and down the stairs of that very tall building. Yes. Yes. The days. That's a really great photo, though, I have to say. It has so much of the energy of the dynamic four. I agree.

I agree. That's why it's one of my favorite all-time photos for sure. Everybody looks nuts. Like Kim. Kim in a two-piece gingham outfit. She looks like, you know. It's fantastic, Mary Ann from Gulligan. Yes.

Like what it was. Yes. How far can we push this? They're having a cookout. Gingham, two pieces. Yes. Glitter Cavali. Glitter Cavali.

And I think I was wearing like a short skirt and I never get up because I'm and I'm like kind of tugging at the skirt. Like you just know Pat was like, wear it. You know, I love when you imitate. Because you sound like her, you know it well. I don't think I do it justice at all, not at all. I try. I do you?

It's hard. It's hard. Okay, let's start a little bit at the beginning, if you will allow me. I have my phone. Oh, fantastic. So I can reference what you're talking about. Of course, of course. I have a few stories as you do as well.

Oh, I can't wait. I think you're going to have stories that I don't even remember. Okay, this is the episode. It's called Where There's Smoke and we go to Staten Island. Now, the thing that I remember, whenever we would go back to work, because this is the first episode of the season, right? And obviously, we're shooting two episodes at the same time. So I think the next one, the first one is where there's smoke,

and the next one is politically incorrect with slavery, right? Yeah, that makes, yeah, that makes sense. So we would always film two at once. And I remember every year because it was February that we'd go back to work, but the show didn't come on until June. So we're freezing, like freezing. New York City in February is so fucking cold, you guys. And I am a lightweight.

I'm a Southerner, as is Molly. I like my hot humidity. It's like what I live for. So I'm always freezing cold. And Pat always wanted us in furs. And I believe this was the year. I never wanted to wear the fur. I always begged, please, please don't make me wear the fur.

And she was like, no, it's wonderful. It's fabulous. And I had to go to Bergdorf, I want to say, to the fur department. Do you remember this? Like, it was either Bergdorf or sex? It might have been sex. Sacks was where they would loan them out. Got it.

Okay. And there was a cape. Good memory. Thank you. This was a trauma for me, all right? This was like up there in the trauma level. There was a chinchilla cape. And she really loved it for Charlotte.

Now look, I get it. Capes are fantastic. And it was kind of soft, but it had the little chinchilla. And it just looks like little chinchillas. And I went home that night, and I had nightmares that the chinchillas came alive. And were crawling all over me. And so then I was like, I can't sleep, thinking about that chinchilla tape.

Like, please don't make me wear it. Please don't make me wear it. And so I would wear her down. I would, like, keep on begging and begging and begging and begging and end up in the shearling. That was like as far as I could get her down. And some of these pink shearlings that I wear are still on people's favorite Charlotte outfits ever. Wow. I know.

Okay. That's what you wore on the ferry. Exactly. Right? Yep. Yep. And I think I have it. Not to be confused with the baseball game.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, because I have a different one there. I think every year she would get me in a pink sheirling. And then there's one coming up when Sir Jessica is pregnant and we're cold. And I'm wearing a pink shearling that people put in like top 10 Charlotte. You know, I'll post on the Instagram. It's not in the season. But I mean, like, I think three or four seasons she found somehow a pink shirling for me to wear,

which, you know, was a good compromise for me at the time. I think of Pat's top ten. Disappointments. You rejecting the chinchilla cape is probably way up there. But can I say... I mean, that sounds like her. I know, it was up there. But can I say that she's got Kim in some major furs. I mean, obviously, we also have the vintage fur, which we should touch on a bit. Carrie's vintage fur, which we have.

Now, there's... May I speak on it? Please do. Please do. Okay. Now, I believe I am correct. At the time, I was so curious, what is that? I believe I was told it is muskrat. Have you ever heard this? No, I have not.

It's muskrat. That is what I believe, because that is morphed into it's an opossum coat. It's not. Oh, God. I remember calling Ina's, and I believe that's what it was. Now, it was not until season three, and this picture that you have of her wearing it with, we had it for three years. It was the first thing we bought Carrie. Right.

We did not find out that it unzipped into a short jacket until the third year. I didn't even know this. Yeah, it's longer. Oh. We had no idea until somebody looked at and goes, hey, this thing gets short. Wasn't that fabulous? That is fabulous. But wait, did we have another piece or is this it?

That's the shorty version. Oh, got it. Because, yes, there's a one where it comes below her knee, right? Yeah. Got it. And that is a fabulous thing. It is. Let me ask you, it's not Pierre Cardin, correct?

No. Yeah, the internet thinks it is. It's not, you guys. It's like a no name, isn't it? I don't think so. I think Sarah thinks it's a no name. I'm not sure about that. I mean, they have season one and two continuity books at HBO.

Oh, well, we better get them before someone is HBO, when we can't get the stuff. Right, before it's Netflix. Yeah. But it's really difficult because it's all of our handwritings on Polaroids. Wait. And it's not, you know, it's not like. The Polaroid books are at HBO?

Digital, digital copies. Got it, got it, got it. One and two episode. I mean, season one and two. Got it. Yeah. Wow. That's interesting.

I mean, Sarah Jessica feels like it's a vintage no name that came from Ina. you know, in the very beginning, right? She could be right. I remember, you know, as you do find in vintage coats, someone's monogrammed initials in the chest lining. Right, right. Like a person. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That would make sense. It was definitely passed down through to Ina, but I just found that to be so interesting to find that it had a piece that came away. It's very cool. Now look at this crazy fur that she's got Kim in here. for the fire station, I believe. And then she takes it off.

I have a little story for you if you're interested in this. Number one, that was a Nicole Miller dress, which I'm sure you remember, Nicole Miller. Yes. And I'll never forget that night, Kim insisted on taping her ankles in white. white gauze so she could slide down the pole easier. And if you watch that episode, you see it. What? I must rewatch.

I didn't even notice. Well, that's something, how did she even know that? That's so interesting. She thought it would grease her better. Wow. But you see them if you're looking. I'm going to look back now. I'm going to look back.

I mean, I thought the whole thing was very bold. I had not really remembered everything that she did and she looked so cute when she puts the little suspenders over her naked self. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that was, that's cute. It's pretty good. It's pretty good. But I think that Pat took all the furs that I wouldn't wear and just made Kim wear bigger furs.

Totally. Totally. That color's too hot for Charlotte. Give it over to Samantha. Oh, for sure. For sure. I mean, also I think that it would swallow me and you couldn't see my head. You know what I mean? Rob, yeah, yeah.

It's a lot of coat. It's a lot of coat. It's a lot of coat. She can pull it off. I think also when we see Sarah with slattery is when we really start to see the flowers. So I was wondering if you remember how did it start? Did you realize what you were doing? Like what she thought. Sarah Jessica came in that season and said, I'm into flowers. What she saw that inspired her, I don't remember the person in history that she was like, I want to bring those back. So someone went to the fancy, fancy flower paste on 14th Street and just got boxes of them. And it was a really great thing to introduce. It was so viral, you know, at the time we didn't have that. It still is. It still is. So you guys just went and bought a bunch of fake flower pins or just fake flowers and sewed them on things.

Yeah. And they were so beautiful from that store. had such a fabulous name, like Sherman and Oaks, you know, something bad. That's fun. Did we have Nile at this time on the show as our Taylor? I think so, yeah. I feel like we must have, right? She was so amazing also.

Or Trillion. Oh, Trillion. Trillion. So great. Oh, my gosh. Trillion. We've had some. We all, we broke all their spirits.

Oh, no. Because you guys, there's no harder job. No, no. I mean, every single outfit for every single person has to be tailored within an inch of his life. Absolutely, tailoring jeans for Carrie. Burger. Burger wanted his t-shirt sleeve a quarter of an inch shorter, which almost, we lost our minds. See, it's the people you least expect, right?

Like, if you look at Sarah Jessica and you were like, yes, that would be hard to find jeans. that would fit that tiny little body. That makes sense. But, you know, it doesn't necessarily make sense that Burger would want his t-shirts. That's interesting. Who would you call if the unthinkable happened? I just fell and started screaming.

If you lost someone you loved in the most horrific way. What's the thing you shot 22 times? The police, right? But what if the person you're supposed to go to for help is the one you're the most afraid of? This dude is the devil. He's a snake. He'll hurt you. I'm Nikki Richardson, and this is The Girlfriends, Untouchable. Detective Roger Golubski spent decades intimidating and sexually abusing black women across Kansas City, using his police badge to scare them into silence.

This is the story of a detective who seems. above the law until we came together to take him down. I told Roger Galuski, I said, you're going to see my face till the day that you die. Listen to the girlfriends, untouchable, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Have you ever listened to those true crime shows and found yourself with more questions than answers? And what is this?

How is that not a story we all know? What's this, where is that? Why is it wet? Boy, do we have a show for you? From smartless media, campside media, and big money players comes crimeless. Join me, Josh Dean, investigative journalists. And me, Roy Scoville, comedian, as we celebrate the amazing creativity of the world's dumbest criminals. We'll look into some of the silliest ways folks have broken the laws.

Honestly, it feels more like a high-level prank than a high-level prank than a. a crime. Who catfish is a city? And meets some memorable anti-heroes. There are thousands of angry, horny monkeys. Clap if you think, she's a witch. And it freaks you out. He has x-ray vision.

How could I not follow him? Honestly, I got to follow him. He can see right through me. Listen to Crimless on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Dad had the strong belief that the devil was attacking us. Two brothers, one devout household, two radically different paths. Gabe Ortiz became one of the highest-ranking law enforcement officers in Texas.

32 years, total law enforcement experience. But his brother Larry, he stayed behind and built an entirely different legacy. He was the head of this gang, and nobody was going to tell him what to do. You're going to push that line for the cause. Took us under his wing and showed us the game, as they call it. When Larry is murdered, Gabe is forced to confront the past he tried. tried to leave behind and uncover secrets he never saw coming. My dad had a whole other life that we never knew about.

Like, my mom started screaming my dad's name, and I just heard one gunshot. The Brothers Ortiz is a gripping true story about faith, family, and how two lives can drift so far apart and collide in the most devastating way. Listen to the Brothers Ortiz on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, everybody, it's Chuck and Josh from the Stuff You Should Know podcast, and it's that time of year again when we knuckle down to do our annual holiday episodes. We collected our best past classic holiday episodes and compiled them into a 12 Days of Christmas Toys playlist that the whole family can enjoy. That's right. Maybe you missed it the first time we detailed the history of Beanie Babies, Monopoly, or Yo-Yo's, and a whole lot more. So listen to the 12 Days of Christmas Toys playlist on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Hey, I'm Nora Jones, and I love playing music with people so much that my podcast called Playing Along is back. I sit down with musicians from all musical styles to play songs together in an intimate setting. Every episode's a little different, but it all involves music and conversation with some of my favorite musicians. Over the past two seasons, I've had special guests like Dave Grohl, Leve, Mavis Staples, Remy Wolf, Jeff Tweedy, really too many to name. And this season, I've sat down with Black Pumas, Alessia Kara, Sarah McLaughlin, and more. Check out my new episode with John Legend. I feel like, in a lot of ways, our careers are paralleled in some ways, but they just never intersected for some reason. I know.

Listen to Nora Jones is playing along on the ordinary people. iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I did want to touch on John Corbett as well because he shows up here, right? For the first time, John, babyface John. Yeah. Oh, oh, that's a story. I mean, tell us. Okay. And I know, you know, all these little tidbits. I mean, it's just what happened. I mean, no one any harm. Of course. You know, his reservation jewelry was a big talking point. I remember.

And Pat hated it. But in order to get him to wear some of the shirts she was interested in, she had to compromise. Got it. But in hindsight, that was a, you know, in my opinion, I don't think he needed jewelry. jewelry like that? It was interesting when I watched it because obviously I know Corbett and I obviously know that is his jewelry, but, and I also know that that's his double denim, you know? Okay, you know him well.

I do. I mean, don't we all, right? Because Corbett is a pretty big personality. He's not somebody who's just like, oh, yeah, I'll wear whatever you want. That's just not who John is. He has a lot of opinions and, you know, feels very much like this is who the character is or isn't. But the thing that I liked, me too. I mean, you need that.

And I think that in our world from the men, you really needed that. Because, you know, they needed to be feeling confident and, like, they could make their own statement, right? Because it was so much our show, right? Yeah, it got to them. Right. It was hard. They wanted to be one of the divas. For sure.

And more power to them. I'm all for it. But, like, for him, when I looked back on the show, first of all, I didn't remember him. I'm having that little baby face. It really just like, oh, that little baby face, John, is just something, right? And the long hair, he is so one million percent the anti-big that is powerful, right? And the jewelry kind of takes it further. Yes.

So from that perspective, I got it. Like he's not New York City. He's not, you know, fashion. He's, is her own thing. That's really important. to bring up, you know, but Pat, as a true New Yorker, did not understand a turquoise ring, you know, like, huge, huge turquoise ring. She was not interested. I love it. I get it. And then there's this one thing I want to talk about, too, because it has to do with him and I don't know

if it was you guys or him, because one of the things when I look at the show, the old really, because now we're in 2000, which is really right on the cusp of the 90s, right? when he comes to my wedding, which he doesn't come to, right, Aidan doesn't come because they end up breaking up. Remember this? Right. Outside the wedding.

But he's dressed to come to the wedding. He's wearing this massive suit, okay? And it's brown and it's like not tailored. It's like kind of flowy. It's strange. Like, what is that about? First of all, when I saw your note about that, I was like, brown.

That's so odd. Right. You know? And I think there were big discreet. about this guy doesn't alter his clothes, you know, he's not turned, you know, he didn't go to a tailor, he didn't go into the store and, you know. I thought it was something like that. I think there was opinions that wanted it, you know, not ill-fitting, let's say.

And it really was. It really was to the point where I was like, what's going on? But also at that point in time, because the season before, we've got big getting engaged to Natasha, and he's also wearing a brown jacket. And I'm like, oh, the brown, like, and it's not the brown that we would use now if we did use brown, right? It's like a black. Pat loves chocolate suits and they're so hard to find or they were then. Right. And whenever she saw one, she was like, somebody's wearing that. No way. She loved them. That's weird. She thought they were so sexy and chocolatey and I don't know. Wow, that's

Super interesting. It's also, to me, there was like a change happening and suiting for men, but it hadn't really happened yet. Like, Tom Ford hadn't really happened yet, you know? There were things that were coming that were going to really change tailoring, how we looked at tailoring, what we expected. And whereas Big had always been beautifully tailored because he was playing like a, you know, media dude or whatever, right, a finance, do whatever he's supposed to be.

Yeah. But everyone else is, you're like, huh, what are they wearing? But I kind of like that. Okay, wait, I have a question. That's so funny. I need to watch that again for John's Brown suit. That's hilarious. It's like tope brown.

And then on and just like that, we had him in a suit that didn't fit when he went to that other. Remember that? Yes, but that was a story point, right? But then they cut that scene, didn't they? Did they cut the scene where he, they think there's a big and tall shop on the corner, but it's gone? I think we refer to it. We refer to it, but he's got those short pants, but it's so funny. It's really, it's so obviously funny.

Did you not think it was funny? Were you dying? We were hoping that you would see that they were short, you know. I think you did when he's walking down the street with her, you know, towards us. I mean, it's pretty obvious. It's pretty obvious. I mean, it is funny. You know, I don't think people also realize how tall Corbett is.

Yeah. Well, you do when you see them together in a closet or, you know, for sure. But somehow she's up there on those tiptoes. He is a tall drink of water. He is a tall drink of water and a sweetheart. All right. Yeah. I'm still trying to talk him into coming on the podcast.

So if you run into him, Lisa. I will. Yeah. I will pester him. Thank you, Molly. I know, right? We need his voice. We need his memories.

He's got great stories. Right. Right. We need him. I'll do my best. I'm trying. I've been texting him. But he's not responding.

All right. This is Carrie. Oh, my gosh. When we dance. On the dance floor. Dancing to... That, too, too, to... Yes.

Beep, beep, do, do, do, do, do. I think so, yes. That's so great. You two are so distinctive in your dance moves. I love that scene. I think we had that choreographer there. Do you remember how any time it said the word dance? She'd be like, where's the choreographer coming?

Even if it was just casual. Yeah, because it was scary. You know, we were scared. We were always scared of dancing. You know what I? I mean, like, you know, and I'm happy. I'm happy that we did. I also, I have that bag that I have on my, on my arm when I'm dancing. I think it's Celine and it's white. It's like a white rhinestone. I should have brought that in. I thought you had a false body. Cool. Exactly. I do have

it. I do. I have two of them because at some point. Yeah, isn't that strange? It doesn't look anything like Celine of today. Nothing. That's pretty impressive. I'm glad you have it. I can't wait to talk about another outfit of yours. I'm praying you have it. Which one? I'll hold. I'll hold. We can always get it. No, no. Whatever's on your mind. Go. It's fun. That halter dress that ties in the front. Tiffany's. Yes, of course. That's a good one. And apparently it's Versace. Is that right? I don't even remember that. No. No. Is it Mugler? Yeah. I thought it was Mugler too. Sometimes the internet has things wrong, you guys. I don't want to break anybody's spirit or anything. But sometimes I look at the little captions.

I'm like, no, no, that's not it. Here we go. It's a good one. It's a really good one. And I feel like we have had different. Your hair is perfect with that. Thank you. They did great, didn't they?

I think this is when I had that really nice French guy. It was his name, like Pierre maybe. He used to give me the most amazing blowout. My whole neck would be like getting pulled off my shoulders in the trailer, but it was worth it. You know what I'm saying? Wow. Like he just be like.

He had to manipulate hair. Big time. Big time. That's like movie star Elizabeth Taylor hair. Thanks, babe. I mean, I think what we were going for because we knew we were going to end up. This is McDougal.

Charles McDougal is directing this, which of course, one of my all-time favorites. I thought he really understood a great guy and he understood Charlotte and he understood Charlotte and Trey. And he always had like such interesting, creative camera things he would do, you know? And he always came to work in that beautiful suit. So he understood fashion.

Oh, yeah. He was a cool cucumber, that one. He really was. Yeah. So I think we were going for like an Audrey Hepburn-esque, but like modern and casual version, you know, like not trying too hard, right? It looks so amazing in that dress. Thank you, baby. That holds up for real.

It definitely does. And I don't own it, which is really sad. But can I tell you, there's some really funny details here. So number one, we have done this dress, different versions of this dress through the years. Like, do you remember in the movie, I have a white version, which I think is also Mugler, which I think is also Mugler, which I have. I do own. It's like a wrap. It wraps around and is backless that we wore when I have that hot nanny.

Do you remember that? Yeah. When the hot nanny comes out in the slomo with her bozums. Yeah. Nipples. Exactly. And I love that dress. That dress you could get out and wear right now.

No problem. Totally. That is a classic Charlotte silhouette. Backless, halter, full skirt. It's just a no-brainer. Love it. Then I have these, I don't know if you can see them. There's some kind of strappy shoe.

It's white. I literally have worn that shoe in many different iterations through the years, including in and just like that. Do you remember when you go to. Over and over. Right? Over and over and over. We go to stalked Natasha down in Soho on the pebbles. And I'm wearing these with that.

Amelia. Maxi. Yes. The sailboat. I know. Isn't that funny? I don't even. think we're intellectually doing it?

No. I think it's a part of our cell DNA. Totally. It's a part of our cell DNA. Oh my God. I love it. Wait, I don't even know. I'm not really in order, but it's fun times, so I don't care.

Okay, sorry. We flipped over to the Mugler. Now, for some reason, I'm in episode 10, but I think that's because I had to find them in Mugler. But it just reminds me that I have this Donna Karen dress that I wore. Do you remember this? The blue Donna Karen to the. engagement party.

Like it was yesterday. I know. I still own this. It's in storage. I remember how much you loved that dress at the time. I passionately love this dress. Did you find that dress and make us get it? I think I did.

But when I look at it, I think it's a weird choice. And I think it's so interesting. Like, I don't know what was going on in my own mind. Other than that as you started talking about the season saying it was when we really did get to start really borrowing designer stuff. And I remember feeling like I couldn't fit in designer stuff because it was still very narrow in the hips, how they were cutting things.

Right, right. And so I was always so anxious that I wasn't going to be able to fit into it, which is actually part of how I found Prada, because Prada is cut in a more like 1940s way, you know. Right. More like for, yeah, hips and waist and all the things. Curves. And Donna Karen is like so user-friendly, right?

So this is Donna Karen. and it's a very cool and weird dress. And in some ways, also kind of not, in some ways when I look at it, not what Charlotte would actually be wearing to her engagement party with Trey and Bunny. Yeah, it's very watery and soft chiffon. Yeah, my Pisci and self took over and you somehow let me. Let's say Pat was into that. She must have been.

And the thing that I do like about it is that is that here, Charlotte is marrying into this, like, you know, bastion of prepiness. Story family. Right. Like uptight. Bunny's wearing all the, you know, Chanel boxy jackets and everything. And she shows up in this, which in some ways I think is great because, like, she could have just looked like everybody else. She could have been wearing her pearls. She could have been wearing Chanel, you know.

A hair ribbon. Exactly. All the things that we do later. Right. A dupe of bunny. Exactly. But I love that she didn't, that we didn't. That was cool. But I don't know if I meant it or not. You don't know what I mean?

It's odd, but I like it. Isn't it? It is odd. And I kept this thing, and I'm so glad, and I should get it out. But I feel like I'm too old to wear it. I don't know. Who would you call if the unthinkable happened? I just fail and started screaming. If you lost someone you loved in the most horrific way I said through you shot 22 times The police, right? But what if the person you're supposed to go to for help is the one you're the most afraid of?

This dude is the devil. He's a snake. He'll hurt you. I'm Nikki Richardson, and this is The Girlfriends, Untouchable. Detective Roger Goulopsy spent decades intimidating and sexually abusing black women across Kansas City, using his police badge to scare them into silence. This is the story of a detective who seemed above the law until we came together to take him down. I told Roger Galuski, I said,

you're going to see my face till the day that you die. Listen to the girlfriends, Untouchable, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Have you ever listened to those true crime shows and found yourself with more questions than answers? And what is this? How is that not a story we all know? What's this?

Where is that? Why is it wet? Boy, do we have a show for you? From smartless media, campside media, and big money players comes crimeless. Join me, Josh Dean, investigative journalists. And me, Roy Scoville, comedian, as we celebrate the amazing creativity. of the world's dumbest criminals. We'll look into some of the silliest ways

folks have broken the laws. Honestly, it feels more like a high-level prank than a crime. Who catfishes a city? And meets some memorable anti-heroes. There are thousands of angry, horny monkeys. Clap, if you think, she's a witch. And it freaks you out.

He has x-ray vision. How could I not follow her? Honestly, I got to follow him. He can see right through me. Listen to Crimeless on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Dad had the strong belief that the devil was attacking us. Two brothers, one devout household, two radically different paths.

Gabe Ortiz became one of the highest-ranking law enforcement officers in Texas. 32 years, total law enforcement experience. But his brother Larry, he stayed behind and built an entirely different legacy. He was the head of this gang, and nobody was going to tell him what to do. You're going to push that line for the cause. Took us under his wing and showed us the game, as they call it. When Larry is murdered, Gabe is forced to confront the past he tried to leave behind and uncover secrets he never saw coming.

My dad had a whole other life that we never knew about. Like, my mom started screaming my dad's name, and I just heard one gunshot. The Brothers Ortiz is a gripping true story about faith, family, and how two lives can drift so far apart and collide in the most, devastating way. Listen to the Brothers Ortiz on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey everybody, it's Chuck and Josh from the Stuff You Should Know podcast, and it's that time of year again when we knuckle down to do our annual holiday episodes. We collected our best past

classic holiday episodes and compiled them into a 12 days of Christmas toys playlist that the whole family can enjoy. That's right. Maybe you missed it the first time we detailed the history of Beanie Babies, Monopoly, or Yo-Yo's, and a whole lot more. So listen to the 12 Days of Christmas Toys playlist on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Nora Jones, and I love playing music with people so much that my podcast called Playing Along is back. I sit down with musicians from all musical styles to play songs together in an intimate setting.

Every episode's a little different, but it all involves music and conversation with some of my favorite musicians. Over the past two seasons, I've had special guests like Dave Grohl. Lavei, Mavis Staples, Remy Wolf, Jeff Tweedy, really too many to name. And this season, I've sat down with Black Pumas, Alessia Kara, Sarah McLaughlin, and more. Check out my new episode with John Legend.

I feel like, in a lot of ways, our careers are parallel in some ways, but they just never intersected for some reason. I know. We should take it slow with just ordinary people. We need to. I don't know which way you go. Listen to Nora Jones is playing along on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Wait, speaking of our silhouette, look at what I'm wearing. This might be the Versace. Look at what I'm wearing in Vera Wang with Anthony. Again, another halter. You guys were on a roll here. You have beautiful shoulders. Oh, gosh, I love this. I think that's correctly identified.

Don't you? Yeah, I do, I do. I do. And I don't own it, sadly. It's really good. I wish I did. It's really good. It's also funny because this is a tiny, tiny hound tooth, which I'm sure they probably told us would strobe.

And so didn't. Well, wow, I love the detail of that front chest. It's so pretty. Beautifully. And that is very appropriate. Very appropriate. Charlotte. Very appropriate with Anthony and Beiro Wang.

Definitely. Now, let's just talk about the wedding for a second. I think you and I talked about the wedding before. And many, many fucking headlines were written, okay, about how when I jokingly said, you know, I think Sarah Jessica still mad at me about those bridesmaid's dresses. I mean, literally like 30 headlines, Sir Jessica angry with Kristen Davis. No, why? You've got to fill me in.

I'm joking. Okay, so remember? Tell me everything. Okay, so I'm getting married. Charlotte's getting married, right? In our Vera Wang, which I have a literal stack of Polaroids of our fittings that we did, which I will get to in a second. But what I remember, and you tell me what you remember.

So here are my ladies wearing slightly different versions of a beige satin dress, right? Like they have their own neckline, which is really adorable. Correct, which is really great. Really great. Did Vera make those? I believe so, but I'm not 100% sure. Yeah, either Vera or Badgley Mishka because my other dresses that we tried on were Bajley Mishka. That's right.

And then I wear Bajley Mishka for Charlotte's second wedding because they're like lovely individuals. Anyway. The second one. The second one, I know. But what I remember about this is that there was some debate about whether or not everyone would be wearing matching bridesmaids dresses. and did they have to be this color? Because certain people did not want to. Right.

Okay, I'm with you. Right. And I remember there being a lot of debates. I remember this. And I remember also there being like a ton of debate about my wedding dress, even though when you really look at all the pictures, I mean, we had like 10 wedding dresses that were all amazing and could have been great. But there were so many cooks in the kitchen.

Oh my gosh. this caused a war, I believe. I believe it did. It was pretty, pretty disgust, let's say. Helpfully discussed. Helpfully discussed for quite some time. I think that's the other thing is that there was a big lead up to it, right? So it gave every one time to weigh in.

And spin around. And spin around, I know. And I remember at a certain point, I didn't care. I didn't care at all. I was just like, whatever, they're all great. I don't know. You know what I mean? Like I think that the idea with Charlotte, because we all,

knew it would be a very traditional, you know, big, whatever you would call it, right? But like I have some here. I don't know if you can see where they're like more fitted. They're less poofy. This is the one I ended up in, which is very poofy. But then there was also the veil conversation, like how long, this veil is like down to the bottom of the dress. But I had to lift the veil. Cathedral. Thank you. You know the words. I had to lift the veil, you know, in that scene with her. This is a different silhouette, but also beautiful. I mean, they're so. many that I could have worn. But I think there were just a lot of thoughts about, you know. A lot of cooks in that kitchen now. You're bringing it back. Yeah, here's a different veil that's

quite poofy. You know, it was like, is it going to be poofy? And then I don't know if you remember when I got married the second time, Michael Patrick sent down his note that I had to be wearing a chantilly lace veil. Do you remember this? Vaguely. And we were like, why? What do you mean? And he said because Elizabeth Taylor wore one in one of her many weddings. And we were like, okay, but we already picked the dress. Like maybe we needed to know that before we picked the dress. But I think we just wore it and it was what it was. You know what I'm saying? It was all good. And nobody came out on the internet after you and tried to like crucify. Because guess what? There wasn't one. Exactly. We could create in peace. This is an adorable picture. It's a much more fitted dress. And there's Pat in the background in her bucket hat. I don't know if you can see her. She's so cute. And then I have one here somewhere. This is a tight one. I'm sure everybody was like, no, Charlotte wouldn't wear that. And I probably really wanted to wear that. There's one, this is one where I have like a very poofy veil on. There's one. This is one. It has a big bottom. And those are Pat's tennis shoes. She is under my dress completely covered. She is Trying to pull down the lining. What a fabulous picture. You're kidding me.

I want to see that on Instagram. I will put it on Instagram for everyone to see. That's funny. Just her sneakers. Just her sneakers are showing. And you would never know that there's a human being under there. She's totally eaten. Okay.

Then I want to ask you something because your memory is so good because it was your wedding. Yeah. What about the Scottish plaid treatment on Carrie's brides? because she was the, what do you call them? The bride's maid, made, made of honor, right, right, right. I love it. I didn't remember it at all, but I love it so much because you absolutely know that was Sarah Jessica. And this is a use of you with your trims.

I'm sure that you were like. Could be. Yes, I will get those little ribbons for you. I will go to that Scottish plaid section and find something appropriate. And I think there's a brooch on top of it, which is also very much coming. It's reminiscent of a flower. Yep. So, it was very smart.

Yep. I love it. Yeah. I love it so much. And there is the guy, you know, obviously Trey's wearing his kilt, which is adorable. And then there's his cousin or whoever he is who's Scottish, the way we can't understand anything he says. Who's also wearing a kill. Yeah, that Samantha sleeps with, I believe, right?

Yes, yes. And talks about how there is something under there, but it's easy to get off or something. I don't know. It's very trippy and funny. Very trippy and funny. Now, how many times? were you married lady just twice what do you mean you think there's more first was tray yeah scottish yeah what was the second one it's hairy it's hairy there's nobody in between

okay you only got married twice i'm very disappointed in you are you know why we put on like 40 wedding dresses so i think that's why you think i got married more no no you know you know it finds Harry and, you know, then, then it's game over. It's all right with the world. Exactly, exactly. And remember, he was my divorce lawyer from trade. That's right. That's how I meet him, which is so perfect.

Okay, now I have this picture where my producers really want to understand this necklace. Sarah has, like, just a tube top on very Sarah Jessica. And then she has this big, chunky, it's like a heart or a strawberry. I can't even tell what it is. What is that? Yeah. Well, you know, we got free, you know, it was still about. where can we get stuff. We don't have any money. And Kenny J. Lane showroom was very generous.

Oh, they're so nice. Pat loved trinkets like that. She loved a horseshoe. She loved an apple. She loved a heart. She loved, like that to me is so eye-catching in a, in a, in a childish kind of way. Like, that's a chunky thing. Yeah, but it's fun. I mean, I think it's really fun, you know. And I also think on television, they usually try to get you to have very tiny, unnoticeable, you know, accessories, right? Yeah, exactly. Don't pull the focus. Yeah.

And I think that's why it was so different, right? And, I mean, we're different in many ways, as we know. But I think that was one of the big differences. And I think for me, sometimes it took a little getting used to because I was like, that thing's so big or whatever. You know, but, but I mean, that's the, you know, the joy of it. Yeah, I'm very cautious about stuff like that. I get timid to, you know, I don't want, if it's a beautiful long earring and it's going to swing through the whole bar scene, I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's true, but I feel like something came over us in season three. And I mean, not so much me because I am still playing Charlotte, but I think we were just like, I think the newness of it all and people sending us things, we were just like, yes, we're excited. And it reminds me of this beautiful gold butterfly. That's exactly what I was going to bring up. Also, Kenny J. Lane. Amazing. Yeah. It's so, it just made that dress. Didn't it? And she wears this on the cover of Time Magazine in our photo shoot, doesn't she? Oh my gosh. I believe you're right. I think she does this. Hanging in my closet. I should have checked before I came. Wow. Because I love that. It's my only picture I have hanging of us because I think it's so funny that

that says, who needs a husband? Interesting. I wonder if I have that magazine. I have so, so many. You do? I have boxes. Where are they? Uh-huh.

In the attic of the condo. Oh, we should look. That would be so much fun. So many. Next episode, Molly. Yeah, you're welcome to Paul through them. Oh, that would be fun. The craziest big, huge articles on all of you guys.

Who wore it best. Right. And what body shape do you have? Uh-huh. Are you curvy? Charlotte. Er, still makes me so mad. Okay.

So mad. Are you thin like Sarah Jessica? I was like, you guys, come on. I have seen recently, though, a lot of stuff on Instagram about how rough the 2000s were for women, you know, in terms of body expectations and shaming. Like, it was so. so intense. It was intense. It was intense. Any kind of bathing suit scene would would unravel anybody. Anybody, okay? Oh, and when do you? I don't care who. I agree. Oh, I know. I mean,

the funny thing, Sir Jessica has her wonderful style, but like when she wears those board shorts in the second season, oh, I love it so much because it's so her, right? But if Sarah Jessica Parker can feel self-conscious. Yes. Anyone. Anyone can. There's no hope for Any of us. There is no hope. There is no hope for any of us. But we were in such a pressure cooker. You know, it was really intense. And I remember, I don't know if I've told this story on the pot. I don't think I have, when we were doing the first season, when people were really confused about what the show was, right? Like, they didn't know where we like real sex on HBO, you know, in the middle of the nine. They didn't know what the heck we were. Right. But people, the paparazzi, at least, the fashion people and the paparazzi knew Kansas Bushnell. So they knew of the article, the college. And them, you know, the book. And I was at this event one time. I was just wearing my regular clothes. I think I was with my publicist and we had to go by and check on another client who was at an event. So we kind of swung by after going somewhere. And I'm just in the back trying not, you know, I'm not really there, right? And the poplots you're there and they're

chatting with me. And they're saying, what are you doing? And I was like, oh, we're working on this new show, Sex and the City for HBO. And they say, oh, sex and city like Candice. And And I say, oh, yeah, yeah, it's based on Candace's column. And this woman, paparazzi, says to me, well, you don't play Candace because you're not thin enough. I mean, she might have actually said, you're too heavy. I can't remember what she said. It was so mean. And I was like, no, I'm not playing Carrie.

And I'm like, trying to be polite. And I'm like, where's my publicist? I'm going to die. And then I would see her on red clothes. And I would be so upset. And I was like, why are you like this? You're a woman. Why are you a woman hater?

Right. And you're a paparazzi and you're a woman paparazzi. Yeah. Like, come on. But they'd just be so like openly to your face. Do you know what I mean? Like, well, you're too heavy. You're not thin enough.

You can't possibly play her. And I was just like, oh, Lord. And my other thing, I don't know if I've told this story on the podcast either, but it reminds me of it. So this is when like we. weeklies were coming out like us weekly people right um you what there's more that have gone away like life and style or whatever there's so many yeah yeah and every week my mother would be like oh blah blah blah blah and i would just be like mom i don't want to know i don't want to know because obviously they were just all about you know critiquing everything and or stirring up comparisons comparisons yes so one time

i'd had something happened that i wasn't happy about and so i was walking home as we all do in new york when you got to walk something off, right? So I'm walking something off, and I stop at a at a bodega to get some M&Ms, and I go up to the counter to get the M&Ms, and this girl behind the counter says, oh, I can't sell you these. And I'm like, what do you mean? She goes, yeah, you shouldn't be eating these. Stop it.

Please give me my M&M. You couldn't get away with anything. Please give me my A&M's woman. I need my evidence. I cannot believe that story. I know. No, this is what it was like. Wow.

Like, people were invested in your thigh circumference. You know what I'm saying? That is mind-blowing. It was scary. And I remember just, like, crying the rest of my walk. Like, I can't get me. Wow. No, why didn't I just say, like, give it to me.

I'm trying to buy something in your store. And why didn't I just go to the next bodega? I don't know. But it, like, it hurts so much. It threw you for a loop. Through me for a loop, which is how I felt. lot of the time back then, I have to say, honestly, if I'm just being honest. All right.

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