Are You A Charlotte? - Don't Cheat on Your Realtor with Caroline Aaron...

Episode Date: May 9, 2025

Before you fell in love with her on The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel, she was Pamela Glock — the realtor that Samantha two-timed for a man! Caroline brings a unique perspective, because when she filmed that episode, she couldn’t have imagined how the show would explode. She reveals why she loved it just from reading the script. And a fact about Charlotte is revealed that you may find shocking!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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She is an incredible actress who has done Broadway, film. She's worked with amazing directors and so many incredible parts on television. She's incredible. We have a great conversation. We talk about Michael Patrick King, who she's known forever and loves. So please join us for a fun talk with Caroline Aaron.

Welcome, welcome Caroline Aaron. I'm so excited to have you. So excited to see you. Oh, you're so sweet. We, I mean, first of all, when when they printed out your look at the number of papers I have about your resume my good lord I don't even know where to start but we're gonna start with Sex of the City Because that's why we're here. But I mean there's so many things I could talk to you about your career is so amazing

Which I knew but now I I really really know and props. Okay. Thank you I really, really know and props, okay? Thank you, sweetheart. It's so, so, so nice. So tell me, I love to ask people what they remember. This would have been what, 1998? Was that the first season? Yep, you were on the first season. Wait, you're, wow.

I know. Well, and I'm only 30, so that was 20, so I must've been three. So I must've been three years old. Yeah, we I'm only 30, so that was 20. So I must have been three. So I must have been three years old. Yeah, we were all little babies, all of us. Such little babies. Yes. This is what I remember of many things that I remember. I remember meeting Sarah. I had never met her before.

Okay. I think I said to her, Do you have all the same number of organs that I have? Because I could. She was so tiny that I thought, she can't also have a gallbladder and a pancreas. Into a little rib cage. No, she's tiny, yeah. She was itty bitty, so that was like really different. And I knew all the, you know,

I'd met Michael Patrick King doing a play that he wrote. Oh, which one? It was, I don't even know what the name of this play was, but it was from a long time ago before he was Michael Patrick King. And I was sitting on a white bench popping up and down in Culver City. He'll wow. And then I knew Darren and I knew Andrea King, who was a writer during that first season, but I didn't know if you ladies, I was sort of right at the beginning.

And I'm thinking when I first got there, I was in New York City during my salad days in that, and I went, wow, I wish I'd had the life these girls had when I was in New York. Listen, I felt the same way, because I was also in New York City when I was an actress waitress. So I was like, this is the life,

and I'm just gonna try to pretend like this is my life because it felt very surreal you know. So what so you knew Michael Patrick years before? Yes years before I knew him and I think I knew Darren I mean they just asked me so it was hot off the press so nobody knew it was Sex and the City. Uh-huh. No you just go okay I just want to be there for my friends they're working on something new. It's got an incredible cast with the four of you. And I don't think Evan Handler was on it then. No, not yet.

Harry had not shown up yet. Harry hadn't shown up. I did a Broadway show with him. So now that you guys have been on for so long and done so much, I probably know almost everybody who's ever been on it. I love that. Well, I think you have worked with everyone in the industry for sure.

What play did you do with Evan? A play called I Hate Hamlet. Oh yeah, yeah. I heard of that. Yeah. Oh, wow. Wow. I'm going to talk to him about that.

Now, this is what I love so much about you. Like, as much as you are a brilliant character actress where you can do Broadway, film, Woody Allen, Mike Nichols, television, vintage, you know, period pieces, blah blah blah, everything, you are also very specifically you. Like your voice alone is like so evocative. Like I just hear your voice and it's very powerful. So when Maisel came on I was like oh this is like the best thing that's ever happened we just get so much Caroline which I really love. Right I have to say that was a the gift that keeps on giving. So special. Very special and very exciting and you know because I worked with so many great great film directors who were auteurs

starting with I think the very first Broadway play I ever did was directed by Robert Altman, one of our filmmakers with Cher. What? Love it. And Chastity was always there. That's Chas now. I understand.

Cher and Sandy, Dennis and Karen Black, and Robert Altman directed it. So that was really exciting because it was his first time sort of doing theater himself. And because I've worked with so many iconic filmmakers and, you know, I always say like auteur filmmakers are different because there's nothing being done by committee. It's all one vision. You die on that hill or you succeed on that hill. And then when I got in Maisel, I went, oh, there's a tours in television too. And you are a part of a show that has a television auteur. And so was I. Definitely. I'm doing a lot of TV. I remember one time years ago, I auditioned for something and my agents called me and said, you're their first choice.

And I was so excited. And they went, unfortunately, me and said, you're their first choice. And I was so excited. And they went, unfortunately, this time they're going with their second choice. Oh my God. And I went, you're kidding. What? And they said, because you think about it, when something's being done by committee, not everybody's going to have the same first choice. So you and I have to agree.

We're going to throw out our first choice. Then we're going to go to our second choice, our third choice, whatever it is. So when you work on a show like Sex and the City or Maisel or whatever, we're gonna throw out our first choice, then we're gonna go to our second choice, our third choice, whatever it is. So when you work on a show like Sex and the City or Maisel or whatever, it's one person's vision and that's pretty exciting. I agree, I agree totally. And I don't know if people really realize that in a way.

I mean, I think true fans realize that, you know, but I don't know if everyone does. And I sometimes wonder if everyone realizes that, I mean, for us also, it's been amazing to also have this length of time working together. You know, it's very unusual, obviously. And we have a lot of input, which is great, but it is still Michael Patrick's vision, you know?

Yes, you're dealing with one person who has this, and you know, I love him. And I tested for a bunch of shows. You know, he did a bunch of shows before he did your show. But he, the reason he, I think once he became even like mildly successful, he either rented or bought this theater in Culver City because he wanted to keep doing work. He wanted to keep turning over the soil of his own artistic imagination. And then you guys snatched him up and kept him.

Ah, we kept him. But then he did Two Broke Girls, which you were also on. Oh, that's right. That was Michael's. Oh, that's right. That was right. Right, right, right, right. So fun.

I mean, you do everything like you do multi cam. This is very impressive. What is your favorite? Well, I just closed in an off-Broadway play here and it was just a two-hander and it was just me and this kid for two hours and I loved it so much. And I went, wow, I'm really working for a living now.

I had no idea. When you're doing eight times a week and it's just you, but you know, I loved it. And I would have to say, it's not the, what I would say the delivery system, whether it's television, single camera, four camera or film, indie or studio or theater, Broadway or off Broadway. It's, it's the part. Yeah. It's always about what is the part? What are you communicating to people

and who is this person? And that's always gonna be my favorite is whoever it is that I'm playing. If I'm very turned on by that and I like to do a deep dive, I'm sort of a nuisance when you work with me because I ask so many questions. Ha ha, I love it.

I love it. I'm not difficult, but I but I'm curious. Well, I think that you cannot be a good actor and not be curious. I mean, that's I think possibly number one. I would know. Yeah. My question for you about choosing roles, if that's the thing that's really driving you, because sometimes for me it's about the role, but sometimes it's also about who you're working with. Which sometimes I make a mistake that way, do you know what I'm saying? But I love the collaboration you wanna be

with people that excite you creatively. But also I feel sometimes when I look at different things that I've done in the past, and maybe there's a practical reason or whatever, but usually it's like some weird, unconscious reason that I choose a role. Do you ever feel that? Like something in yourself that you need to express practical reason or whatever, but usually it's like some weird, unconscious reason that I choose a role. Do you ever feel that like something in yourself that you need to express or that hasn't gotten attention or light? Yes. You know,

I think I'm always going to be drawn to not repeating myself. You know what I mean? It's like, if you, if you were offered like in the next 10 years, Charlotte, Charlotte, Charlotte, Charlotte, and you would go, you know know what I've already played in this sandbox I want to play in another sandbox oh for sure oh I've definitely taken parts just based on that it's not always a great thing I know yeah really yeah no I definitely have done that also because I have now played Charlotte for almost 30 years which is really plenty I love her I would like to keep going but I don't

need to do any other versions of her. That's right. And you've been to the mountain, you know what I mean? You've got to talk with this character. You don't need to do that again. No. You know what I mean? No, no.

No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No.

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in the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So in your mind, like with Maisel, I mean, also, I part of the reason I talk about Maisel is that we have a lot of the crew members from Maisel. We just love to remind us. We do. We have a lot of the camera crew and they're always like that time on Maisel when we shot a three block with the crane. We're like, we know, it was amazing. You know what I mean? They're still basking in the glory basically. All right, so I feel like we talk about it. I mean, also it was such a beautiful New York show in a different way, in a different era. But so for me, I love that era so much. I know, it made me miss my era so much. I know.

It made me miss my mother every day. I wrote a novel that was published in a magazine. I think the name of the article was called The Mother Load. And originally they were going to interview me about Maisel. And then I was like, and I'm sure you feel this too, I really am so sick of talking about myself when you're doing a lot of press all at once and you just feel like, oh, no, no, don't talk to me about me. So then they said they offered for me to write it. I went, right. So I wrote about my mom, a mom. It was great. And where there was an

overlap between her mothering and and Shirley, the character putting on the clothes, it was like, and I kept thinking, why did I give away all of my mother's clothes? Oh, my gosh. Yeah. And, you know, I don't remember it well enough. But one of the sort of like iconic things about Shirley was this white mink that she had all the time with her. No matter if it was 80 degrees up. And it was a real mink and Amy wanted it to be white as opposed to brown.

And it was the fifties and they searched it out. And then a to brown. And it had to be the 50s and they searched it out. And then a couple of months after the show wrapped, they sent it to me as a gift. That's so sweet. Isn't that so sweet? And I go, what will I ever do with it? But maybe it will come back in. But it was those kinds of things, gloves, hats, all those things that my mother always it was just her everyday life.

And that was things. And I think that made me miss her. Yeah. Well, those details, I mean, that's such an interesting thing to think about when you're when you are playing a part. And sometimes when you're doing something on stage also, because I feel like when you're doing something on stage, they really build a costume from the ground up, you know, in a wonderful way, which changes how you feel and how you're moving and all of those things,

which is also true of modern clothes as well. We just kind of take it for granted. But I feel like the details, the details that went into those costumes are amazing. You know, our costume designer, Genius, when people, I would come in some days and I'd go, do I have to put on the girdle? You know, and the pointy bra,

because there'd be a scene where I'd just be in my robe and she'd go, yes, you have to put it on. It makes you walk differently. It makes you talk to me. You know what I mean? It's like, I cannot believe that women in that age and during that time didn't have a lot of bladder infections. I can tell you that because none of them wanted

to go to the bathroom. There was a lot to take off. Oh my God. I feel you. I mean, I can only imagine. Yeah, like even just for Sex of the bathroom. There was a lot to take off. Oh my God. I feel you. I mean, I can only imagine. Yeah, like even just for Sex and the City, there's a lot to take off. And sometimes we're in locations

and they don't have nice bathrooms. And we're like, you guys, you gotta sweep the floors because these clothes are gonna be a wreck because we gotta take care of all the layers anyway. And the belts and the, well, yeah, yeah. But yes, I mean, Maisel 100%, but I'm sorry. I obviously I'm a big fan. So I'm just gonna talk about Maisel, but I'll get off Maisel.

For my whole life, I loved it so much. I'm so glad. Isn't that just such a gift? It's such a gift to have something. That's what you guys have to do is that we are all in touch with each other all the time. We will never let go of each other. And I kept thinking to myself,

I even said to Amy and Dan once, and you should ask Michael this too because I don't know the answer, did they cast chemistry for us and all those people? I mean it was unbelievable and they didn't. It was they just sort of amazing. They just looked at it and we still are all very much each other's family, creative family. Absolutely. I mean for us they also, we didn't read together anything like that. I have never met Sarah Jessica, I had never met Cynthia, I met Kim briefly. But the it is just such a very very unusual situation where, and I mean this is our job right, like our job is to go on to a

set and to make that work, you know, to connect. But it doesn't always work the way you want it to, right? Like you can try and try and try, and sometimes you still don't have that kind of frisian. Chemistry, and that doubt, and yes, you're right. I remember when I was studying, when I first came to New York, I was studying with the great Uta Hagen,

and one of the big questions was, so I'm in a scene, and it's a love scene, and I hate the guy I'm with. I just hate him. I hate what he's doing. Oh, no, no, no. Uta, what do you do? Yeah. She said, you know, you use the magic if.

It's as if he's the love of your life. It's as if you can't wait to get your hands on him. Sometimes that works. Sometimes that doesn't. Right. And if you can't make it work, you have to quit because you can't legislate another actor's performance. I'm sure you've tried to legislate what you're doing. I would never do that to another actor. It's certainly been done to me.

Me too. Right? Haven't you been? Yeah. I'm like, okay, you know. Usually by men. I've had male actors. Male actors. Male actors, saying things to me, I will be nameless, but I was doing a movie and the actor came up to me and said, you know, if you make it very real,

it'll be funnier. And I went, really? Thank you so much for that tip. I'm gonna use that. Oh my God. Oh my God. I've had two actors say this to me, kind of early, like maybe the first week,

where you've got some scene, and these were roles where I'm like the mom, right? So you're usually in a kitchen, you know those kitchen scenes where you have all these props, but you have like little kind of inconsequential dialogue, and the actor has the main, he's driving the scene, and so you're just trying to be real, as you said, and do your best

that you can do and you're actually rehearsing. So I was rehearsing the prop work and the actor is standing maybe three feet from me in terms of the director and says she's not going to do it like that is she? Oh my god. I'm just like oh my god. I was like uh I was rehearsing. Hello, I can hear you. And I was rehearsing. And we ended up getting along great. But in the beginning, I mean, it does scare you. Like, oh God, Jesus, is the whole job gonna be like this? Yeah, but that's good to know.

I would never say anything to another actor. So we were really, really lucky on Maisel that the chemistry we got for free. We didn't it. It was just there. We cared about each other and we see each other now all the time. And the opening of the play I just did off Broadway, my pretend son, Michael Zeagan was there with my real son, the son of the play. So I was there. My three sons all standing there. It was really great. Oh, I love it. I love it so much. Rachel is so nice.

I see her at events. She's so lovely. And I'm so looking forward to Superman. I feel like she is the star of Superman. It is. And let me just say, you know, it starts with number one on the call sheet. And I kept thinking, why is this working so well?

But I'll tell you, and it was Rachel's, it was all of our attitudes. The project was more important than any single one of us. So everybody was bringing their A game to the material. And so that was the star of the show, the show. Right. Well, that's what we wanted. That's what we tried our best to do.

I mean- I think you did. Thank you. Not it, because where you are, you're still going, Missy. That's right, which we still going, Missy. That's right, which we're just so incredibly lucky. Do you ever think about your whole career and when you were starting, what was your biggest dream or what was your fantasy version of your career?

My fantasy version hasn't happened yet. I can't wait for it. Oh, I love that. Okay. Do you want to put it out there? What is it? I lived in LA for 24 years and I said, until I came back to New York for me, but I used to say, what I want for my career is to know where my parking place is.

So I just want, you know what I mean? It was like, I just pray for that. I just pray. I think I would like to be on a successful, important, interesting TV series for a number of years. I've never done. I mean, I did that with Maisel. Right. It's great. And I would like to have that back because it's like being a school teacher.

You have three months off in the summer. You can do other things that you really, really want to do. And although what's going on in our business now is very complicated. Oh my God, yeah. It's just chaos. It's just unbelievable. And who knows where this is all going to land.

But I just keep thinking, you know, artists are the witnesses and it will be our footprints in the snow that a hundred years from now, people will follow and say, they'll be watching your show to try and put together. What was it like to be right then? This is why I'm doing the podcast because I thought to myself, you know, we've been incredibly lucky and blessed to be a part of this thing.

And many other people have, have shared their thoughts about the show and the people on the show and what they think went on or didn't go on. But I thought why shouldn't we share our own thoughts and memories? So that it's like a time capsule because things are changing so rapidly, you know? Funny because I was only in that one episode for a minute in the first season and like even very early on in the first season and then the show grew up to be, it will go down in history, right? Obviously. And I went to see it, Bucks County,

I saw the original material from Candace Bushnell. Oh, you saw her show? Yes, I saw her show. How great. Which was so interesting. Did you ever see it? No, I just heard her on the podcast. She talked a lot about it.

I mean, she's a fascinating person. So fascinating. And you know what the set was? Did you tell me what the set was? No. Imagine a set like a stage and it was all of these different platforms made out of blue site

and on every platform was just a pair of shoes. A hundred pair of shoes. Wow. That's a great idea. It's a great idea. And so our shoes, I mean, I thought about it. Like we could probably all do that with our own closets. You know what I mean? Take this pair of shoes or that pair of shoes or, you know,

it's like I did Nora Ephron's play Love Lost in Black. Yeah. Same idea, which is, I don't know if it's true for men, but it's certainly true for women. Clothes are like electricity. They're conductors of things and events and memories that we have in our lives. Like when I went back and looked at the episode, I went, I know that jacket. I know that, you know what I mean? It was like, oh, I remembered all of that and why I had that on and so great.

So great. And the thing that I love about you, and I mean, this is true in all the roles that you do, but when also, I don't always remember, part of what's interesting looking back on the show is like, I would never have thought that you were in first season I remember you so vividly being on because you're such a presence but I would have thought it was later but first season we hadn't even been on the

air right so you definitely knew that it was the city exactly you know I mean it was like and I kept wondering what people are gonna like this you know it's oh it's you know I when people would interview me about Maisel and they'd go, why do you think it's a hit? And I would go, hmm. And when they first sent it to me, I was like, okay, this is great. Jews will like it. New Yorkers will like it. I guess that's a lot of people.

And then it turned out that it blew up internationally and we did press all over the world. And I would ask people all the time like we were in Milan doing press and there were all these journalists that came in from like Sweden and Brazil and this place and I'm like why do they like this where do they line up yeah find find a a place to relate to and it was one of the most interesting things that I heard was there was a young woman a young, I think she was from Sweden. And she said, we see a lot of young women on television, but we don't see confident women our age. Wow.

She's, you know, most of the women they were seeing on television, you know, they had boyfriend problems or parent problems or job problems or whatever. They didn't see confident women and it was so meaningful to her to see someone who was ambitious and confident in her 30s. And I thought, wow, isn't that interesting? I thought that was interesting. And, and also it's about family and everybody has fun. Even if it's not, even if your specifics are not their specifics, I think. And it's about dreamers. Ah, yeah. Having a big dream. And I think people like really, really responded to that. And so it was a big mystery.

And I felt the same way when my friends all started on Sex and the City, because I knew Derek and I knew Michael and I knew one of your writers at that time, this woman, Andrea King, who's a wonderful writer. And I think we had become friendly. She was like the editor of the Hollywood Reporter or she'd been in journalism in some way. Wow. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah.

And Darren was like one of our best friends. He asked her, you know, to come to the party. And I remember wondering, are people going to like this? I mean, we wondered as well. We were scared. You didn't know from you. You did the script, you're shooting the pilot, you go, I don't know.

I mean, we knew that we loved it. You know, I think that we had, I mean, I know for myself, I had a sense of how special and different it was. You know, certainly I had been my out of work actor self in New York and then I had gone to LA because there was more work, right? you know, certainly I had been my out of work actor self in New York and then I had gone to LA because there was more work, right? And then in LA, everything was much more,

you know, sound stagey, the guys are the leads, the girls are the girlfriends, you know, all of that kind of thing. So for me, it was something where I thought that this is like shocking basically, that four of us are here, you know, with our own storylines walking around Manhattan at nighttime like yay. But I didn't know if it would resonate out in the world.

And we all really thought that it might just, well, Sarah Jessica says that she didn't even really think about the success part, which is super interesting, but I do think she's very, you know, kind of what you're saying about the part, she's kind of project focused, you know? She's not big picture focused. I myself, I felt like I want this to keep going, and I hope we can get at least a niche type following,

you know? And wouldn't that be great, right? And obviously it unfolded in a very different and fantastic way, but none of us saw that coming. You could never see that coming. You know, it was really interesting when I went back and watched this episode. So we are saying it was,

what year did you say the first season? 98. Okay, so it's 98. And there was all of this talk about oral sex for women. And I, like, I'm re-watching it now and going, that was radical. Yeah. That was radical. It, that's radical.

It doesn't feel radical right now to revisit it, you know, to have that conversation with your character about when you said, I don't like it. And even a woman saying, I don't like it, I don't want to do it. It's not for me. And I'm like going, wow, this is pretty brave. Oh, I know. We were scared. Yeah, this was really brave. I don't think people can for now can even realize how brave it was Absolutely through yeah things have changed in some ways so much and then other things have not changed

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or wherever you get your podcasts. follow OK Storytime in the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I remember being nervous about so many elements of it and thinking like, are people just going to be outraged? Like, oh my God, turn this off, you know. Exactly. Nobody should see this. It was like, yeah, it was. Yeah. Yeah. It would have been, you know, you would have thought it was late night cable. Right, because it did have that element. It did have that element. And there were, I remember the press that came out in the beginning,

and a lot of it that was kind of male driven reviewers, kind of snobby reviewers was very negative, very negative. And part of us was, I remember, I'm not a big review person anyway, but it trickled down to me, generally speaking, and we were just like, we're not gonna even, that's not who we're making the show for. We're just gonna block it out.

We're not making the show for these white guys who write for papers, you know? Yeah. And that is a good skill to have anyway, because you can't really do your job if you're worrying about them. My daughter told me when she first discovered she's 28, I can't remember. So let's say, you know, she's the second round of audience members for Sex in the City. Second or third, yeah.

Second or third. So she's like, let's say five years ago or whatever it was. So I kept saying to her, so said, why do you like it? What's in it for you? Said because it's women talking about sex. We don't ever get to see that. And that was that was a couple of years ago. That's incredible. So that has not happened. You know, like it's it still occupies that

own the lone territory. Which is crazy. Isn't that crazy? Yeah. It's crazy that some things have stayed the same. Yeah. For young women who want to have that conversation or see that conversation, it was very, she felt very much like it was a source for her. Yay.

I like that. I mean, younger women say that to me and I'm pretty sure I'm happy. Like sometimes I feel a little nervous, like, oh my God, I don't know. You know, cause we were trying, we're playing very flawed characters, obviously, you know, or it wouldn't be interesting.

But then on the other hand, I think, no, I think that the main message is, you know, we're representing so many different viewpoints and we're all together in it. That's right. You know, the friends. And many different viewpoints and we're all together in it. That's right. You know, the friends. And I think that's a powerful message. And for each other and you're also imperfect.

Yeah. And you remember in their internet Instagram generation, perfection is always being put in front of them and making them feel really insecure. And then they watch this show and it's not about perfection. It's about equality for women. And I think that's a comfort. Absolutely.

Thank God. You know, I'm just so happy to be a part of it. Yeah, it's amazing. I have a pressing pressing question for you. Okay, good. I'm excited. I love pressing. Are you a Charlotte?

I don't think so. I mean, let's see. Am I a Charlotte? I don't think so. I mean, let's see, am I a Charlotte? I don't think so. No, what are you? I don't know. Let's think. The reason I was saying that I wasn't a Charlotte is I feel like Charlotte stays in the lines

of the coloring book or she used to. And that's where her comfort is, is. And I don't think, I think I always felt very other. Oh, yeah. And I don't think Charlotte is the character on that show. That's other. You're so right. Yeah, you're so right. And I don't think probably. If I had to be one of the four, I'd be Cynthia.

Yeah, Miranda. Yeah. And Miranda, you seem like a Miranda to me. She's very intellectual, but she's also like, says it like she sees it, you know. Yeah. Yeah, Miranda. Yeah, Miranda. You seem like a Miranda to me. She's very intellectual, but she's also like says it like she sees it, you know. Yeah. Yeah, I like that. And she's kind of she's willing to go into uncharted territory, certainly now in her character. But yeah, or, you know what I mean? She's going to go out there and say, okay, I don't know if this is gonna work out for me or not. Charlotte seems a little risk adverse. Well, I have to say the funny thing.

I totally agree. And I know why you're saying that because she was so focused on her goal of marriage and whatnot. But when you actually look back, when we finished the series, the first series, they did a book called Kiss and Tell. And in the back of the book, they put all the guys

that each character had been with. And guess who had been with the most guys? No. Yep. Charlotte is the slut. I'm so sorry. Charlotte's our little slutty girl. I know, I also was a little shocked.

I was like, wow. But I mean, in some, so in some ways she's got this kind of more traditional picture she's trying to create, right? But she was pretty adventurous in terms of how she was gonna get there, which is interesting. Isn't that interesting? I know, yeah.

It's also surprising when I rewatch back to the early days, I'm like, wow, I am all over the place, man. I mean, it's fun, it's fun to watch. And I don't always remember those parts, because I think her through line was always this much more traditional thing, which was kind of my role, right, in the mix. And that was, it's not really my life.

So I had to work hard on making that grounded. Yeah. But it is interesting to think about, I mean, yeah, she's done some slightly crazy things, but that's okay. Yeah. Yeah. But it is interesting to think about. I mean, yeah, she's done some slightly crazy things, but that's okay. It's fun. You know? Why not?

She has friends with Samantha. So, you know. From the show going off the air sex in the city, how many years was it until just like that? When did that? Well, the movies were in between, right? So like for me, it all blends. Like I have to remind myself of

the actual shifts and breaks that happened because obviously like we're there together still, right? So it still feels like the show, except that we're getting ready to air season three of it just like that. And I watched the first one, I'm like, Oh no, these shows are very different. They're very different. It's so fascinating, you know? Same characters, but the vibe, like the way that we shoot it and the pattern and the timing and kind of the subject matter, all of it, very different. It's super interesting. That's so great.

That's so great. It is. It's a very rare situation. But in between, to answer your question, we did the first film, I think, was released in 2008. I think we went off the air in like, oh, four, I feel like. And then, so then the movie, the second movie would have been roughly 2010, 2011, something like that.

Then we took a kind of a long break, but we saw everyone, like you were saying with your cast. So you had a through line, you know, personally. Right, right. And what you guys have, what your own personal lives have evolved, you became mothers, you became wives, you know, all those things happen to you guys along the way, which is, which is also very exciting because you do bring that whenever, you know, the great director Peter Brooks said, you know that which is truly personal is universal and we're always bringing Our personal selves to whatever we are doing as actors and I think that's really exciting I agree to do that through time. I agree very different woman than when you started this show I mean, yes, like we were little children when we started this show really, you know, we've lived lives like lives

Multiple it's it's really fascinating. Are you in LA? I am I'm in LA right now getting ready to go back to New York We're back and forth still which is great. I love to be back and forth Yeah, and we're getting ready to do the press for and just like that which is fun But also stressful in this new streaming world, you know. Because it's just like a blast. Like you just blast it out there. You know what I mean? Well, I took a picture of all of the underwear I had on the years we were going to, you know, when you're going through the Emmys and the Golden Globes.

It's just campaign problems. I understand. But yeah, yeah, yeah. The shoes and the clothes and the underwear. And I was like, oh my God, I'm doing a show about feminism and look what I have to put on. No joke, no joke. I know it's really an interesting thing.

And sometimes you can go like, I'm not going to do this. I mean, certainly in my regular life, I just wear my jeans and my Adidas and I'm not going to be bothered. But that is the joy of what we do in a way too, right? Because if you don't do it for a while, don't you kind of do it for a while, don't you kind of crave the costumes? Yes, exactly.

Yeah. Me too. And I've learned a lot. And because Sex and the City's also been about fashion, and I didn't know anything about fashion till I did Maisel. And I was like, wow, it's quite a subject. And it's really interesting.

I agree. I do think that fashion is the breadcrumbs of the times we live in. Yeah. Back and know a lot about us from fashion. Absolutely, that's a really valid point. And I think our issue, I think sometimes with Sex in the City is that it almost seemed like fashion

overtook the actual stories, the actual storylines. And we felt some stress, like it seemed like we were just trying to sell shoes, which was really never our intention. It just grew, you know? And then I think we felt this pull away from that when we came back for Injust Like That, partly based on the stories also,

like there was mourning and death and whatnot. We didn't want to be running around and head to toe Gucci, necessarily. So it's interesting, because you wanna have the through line be there, but at the same time, we're going through different things. So that's gonna be reflected in what we're wearing. It's always super interesting.

It's always super interesting to think about it. It was really funny about Maisel, which I never said in any interviews was, and this never has happened, is that four of the seven regulars were over 50. Amazing! Amazing! And every time I'm on a TV show, it's like, who am I going to have lunch with?

I'm the only one who's over 50. I understand! Yeah, we're in the same boat over there and then just like that. Exactly, you're the only one and then I go, wow, take a note. You know what I mean? Yes. Take a note. And it wasn't about being over 50.

No. It's okay. You could put characters on the air, all different ages. And you don't, you know, there is this feeling that, you know, the 30 and under is where the pot of gold is, but maybe not necessarily. Maybe the- And also why can't all the stories get told?

Right, exactly. Why not? You know? I mean, I know we're so lucky that we get to do our show. I fully, fully understand that. But sometimes when people are like, are you shocked that you ladies who are over 50 are getting to be on the television?

I mean, it's hard not to be offended. Like, why wouldn't we get to be on the television. I mean, like, it's hard not to be offended. Like, why wouldn't we get to be on the television? Well, why? Because there it hasn't happened before. It's like... I know, I know, but it's messed up. It's just so messed up. It's so wrong. I actually sold a television pitch many years ago.

I'd never done it before for a show that I wanted to see about women. And we got to the point of having auditions. And I don't know if you remember this company, Carsey Warner, but Marcy. Yeah, of course. And I put a friend of mine down on the list to come in and audition. And after she had to choose a brilliant actress, and Marcy went like this to me. What is she? 30? She said like that.

And I went, no, she's not. But I said, because I played my daughter in a play and so I know her and I went, but I said, so is the moral of the story that when you get your period you should just cut up your sad card? And she said, pretty much. That's what she said. Oh my God.

I mean, it's so insane. But I do remember as a young actor being so worried that I wasn't successful. I wasn't successful until I was 30 and I was like, well, I'm only going to have 10 more years and then it's going to be over. That's it. Right? Because that was how we were brainwashed.

And everybody seemed to accept it as a truth. Exactly. Every time that truth gets disproved, like by your show or our show or whatever, you're like so relieved. Not that they catch up to that truth. No, no, I know they forget immediately. They forget immediately but it's like that's what I want to see is like I want to see everybody. Me too. I want to see it all. I want to see young people and older people and old old people and yes the human experience. Yes. What our job is.

Yes, yes, yes. God yes yes. Alright, you're a joy. Thank you for joining us. So great. Give my love to everybody. Thank you. I will, I will, I will. I'll talk to Michael soon. Okay, bye Caroline. Bye honey. Bye. I found out I was related to the guy that I was dating. I don't feel emotions

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