Are You A Charlotte? - Everything’s GOLDEN with Mickey Guyton.... (S3 E2 "Politically Erect")

Episode Date: October 27, 2025

Season 3 is coming in HOT…like a HOT HOT SHOWER. Kristin is “going” there and is joined by Country Superstar Mickey Guyton to break down one of the most talked about episodes in the series. Before Madmen, John Slattery became infamous for playing politician Bill Kelley…and sharing his unique fantasy with our Carrie. This takes “water sports” to a whole new level. Kristin and Mickey are unafraid when it comes to discussing this erotic potty habit.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Oh my goodness, everybody. Welcome back to Are You a Charlotte? We have a very special guest today. This is my first time meeting her. She is amazing. Her name is Mickey Guyton. Mickey is a singer-songwriter who is known for her single, What Are You Going to Tell Her, and Black Like Me,

and she became the first black woman to ever be nominated in the best country solo performance category. So she is a joy. She's also on a show called The Singer, which is China's most competitive music show, which has an average of 115 million viewers. One hundred and fifteen million viewers. It's insane. She is a country music star.

I don't look like it right now. I look very California right now. No, you look amazing. Okay, I love your hair. I love your whole look. My daughter would be like, how do I make that happen? I got you. I want to hear all the details.

Amazing. I would not have looked like this. Well, you look fantastic, and I love it so much. And do you live here or do you live in Nashville? I live here in Nashville. Great. Yeah. So my husband's a lawyer and he practices out here.

Got it. And so I guess I am a Charlotte. Maybe. We'll get there. We'll get there. You wait. You wait. We'll get there.

But that's great. My public assistant best friend also lives in Nashville and here. And she has chickens and horses and all that stuff there. I don't have that, but yet. Well, I mean, one day you could get that if you want that. That's really why she moved there because she wanted to have that life back or really, I guess, for the first time. But she missed it. National is awesome.

Yeah, she loves it so much. It is. It's great. Sometimes, you know, there's a lot of flying involved. Yes. That four-hour flight, it's tough. Yeah. Could be worse, though.

Yeah. It could be worse. It could be worse. I was just in China. That flight was very long. Because you're on a show there. I was. Tell us about this.

So I got the opportunity. It's basically what I like to describe it. The show is called The Singer. And I would describe it as like master chef for singers. Okay. And you're getting judged by the audience. There's no judges. Oh, wow.

But it's all professional singers like Jesse Jay has done this. Charlie Puth was there. Oh, wow. A guy, a Christian vocalist named N Voice winner. Jordan Smith was on it. And Adam Lambert. It's a really massive show. I was out there for three months.

And I competed with artists from around the world, Chinese artists. It was crazy. Wow. I have been to China and the jet lag. Oh, it's so painful. I'm still, I've been back for almost a month and I'm still exhausted. Yeah, it's hard. It was really hard.

It's really hard. And I even got this like circadian rhythm. It's called the flight kit. I've seen it. It works. No. But I worked when I was there. But when I came back, I didn't take it properly yet.

Oh, wow. Okay. I'm happy to hear this because I've seen it. I'm always like, no, no, no. It works. No, it really. No, it really does work. You will not be fighting for your life.

That's amazing. So do you continue with this show or is it, are you done? I'm done. I got second place. Got it. Oh, wow. Yeah. Amazing.

Yeah, I did. It was amazing. It was such a, my son went with me out there, my husband. And it was just such an eye opening experience. I can't even imagine being on a competition show in China. It was wild. But also didn't have some kind of insane audience, like 112 million people or something. Yeah. It was like every week it was like singing at the Super Bowl every week.

It was insane. There's so many people in China. And I was just getting exposed to such a really cool audience. Wow. They gave me gifts. Amazing. Oh, that is one thing. When you travel in Asia, they give you gifts. And maybe I feel like a terrible person because all I did was bring merch. And I was like, here's a shirt. Meanwhile, they're giving me like a hundred flower bouquets. It's terrible. Oh, that's the Swedish thing about Asian culture. Don't you think it's very polite? And they all. also squeal in a very high-pitched way. They do. Do you want to know my nickname? Tell me. They started calling me mama. Oh.

So they'd be mommy. Mommy, I swear to God. Yeah, they called me mama. Yeah. That's so nice. Did they also sometimes cry? All the time. Yeah.

All the time. Like they're very, you know, it made me really think about, you know, especially Asians here in America. And after experiencing like their hearts and the love and the sensitivity and how they wear their hearts on their sleeves. It made me think of Asian hate so much more out here because there's a sweetness. Yeah, there's a sweetness to them. And I don't think understood necessarily as a cultural phenomenon.

100%. Yeah. I know that when we did the films, we went to Tokyo. I guess it was a second film. And first of all, it was a next level type production to have anything entertainment related. I mean, we rose out of a stage. Oh, wow. Like something that you guys would do in the music world.

You know, we rose out of a stage. We were terrified. We were like, what do you do when you're rising out of the stage? Then when we got to the top, we had to walk down this staircase. Oh, God. I believe Sir Jessica and I held hands. And then all the meanwhile, I think there was smoke. Oh, you know what I'm saying?

And squealing. Yes. Right? The whole time. And then by the time we got down there, tears, tears from the audience. Oh, yeah. I mean, it was so sweet and beautiful. And you do just want to hug everybody.

You know, it's a very warm, warm feeling. Yeah. Same at the airport. Yes. People are there with huge gifts. Yes. At the airport. They're at the hotels.

Right. To welcome you. You just have gifts. And it was like I said, I was like, here's a merch shirt. Thank you for this Baccarat stem wear that you just got me. Literally, someone got me some Baccarat stemwear. Yes. I couldn't believe it.

I mean, if it's your merch, I feel like that's. nice. Yes. Yes. It's nice, but it's not Baccarat. Well, you can't give it. Baccarat to everyone, I don't think. And how would you carry it?

Yeah. Right? Yeah, exactly. But it is very lovely fan experience. Yes. And sometimes they'll write you letters that they hand you. Oh, yeah. I've got some from Hong Kong.

Yeah. Yeah. It's very, very fascinating. Okay. All right. Okay. So, this is what's wonderful about Mickey. She is younger than me.

I don't know how much. I'm not going to ask her. But she loves the show. I just so. So wonderful, and I'm always happy to meet new people who love the show, and I love to ask people, when did you first watch it? So I first, so I was really young when sex and the city came out, so I wasn't able to watch it when I was in high school, but I've watched all the seasons since I was probably about 21. I'm 42 now. Got it. So it's been a huge part of my life.

The movies, like, I definitely got all dressed up. I went to the movie theater to go see the movies. That's so nice. It was just like, I cursed the day you were born. That was a good line. That was a really good line. I think it's really great to this day. Thank you.

It could apply to a lot of people. It holds up for sure. It says everything that you need to say in that moment. I should remember that line more often in my own line. You know? That is a useful, useful line. It is. It's a useful line.

It really is. Thank you for reminding me. That's true. We haven't gotten to the movies yet. One day we'll get to the movies. But luckily, we're kind of in. You are here to help us with episode 302, which is, in my mind, when I think back, and I don't know if this is going to be true when I'm rewatching, but when I think back of the heyday, like, the amazing part of our show, when everything gelled and came together, it's season three. Yes.

I love season three so much. Yes. And when I, I don't know if you listen to the podcast, but I've been rewatching since the beginning. And I was very impressed with season one and season two. Because in my mind, we were still finding ourselves. It wasn't all together, the writing and the acting and the, you know, everything. And now, now I realize that all the pieces were there. And maybe some episodes were this or that.

You don't know what I'm saying? I thought it was perfect from start to finish. Oh, you're so sweet. You're so sweet. Thank you. That's so nice. It's interesting from your perspective to hear that. You know, I mean, sometimes you're not objective, right, obviously.

And also you remember what it felt like, also more so than the finished product. And so, like, for first season, we filmed the whole thing without anything airing, which is common now in streaming. But back then with regular, like, TV, you would be on the air and you would know what the fan reaction was or what the ratings were or whatever thing you cared about. And luckily, HBO didn't really care about anything, which was great. They just wanted us to find our way and they gave a space and they were super supportive, you know. Which is awesome. So rare. So rare in our business.

music or film and TV, right? Especially now. It's very different. It's very unusual to have that situation. So we're so lucky that we did. But when I look back, I mean, there's so many great things. This is what's funny about this episode too. This episode is called, Lord help us. It's called Politically erect you guys. Okay. Wow. I mean, I watched this episode and in my mind, the things that I remember about this episode, we were just back to work. So whenever we would just come back to work, it was usually February and cold,

which I didn't think about it all when I was watching this. Often when I see it, I'm like, oh, we're freezing right there. You know what I mean? I do think I have a cold in it. Like my Kristen has a cold in it. Yeah, I look a little off and my voice is a little off,

but that's fine. I just, you know, it's me nitpicking. But we, I think this week is the week. We would film two episodes at once. I believe this week was a hundred-hour week. Oh, my God. Yep. My God.

So you were just on set like 24 hours. All the time until the sun came up. Oh, my God. And we're trying to talk fast. The other thing that I watched when I was, because this episode is directed by Michael Patrick King. He was writing. He had come on first season to write Darren had created the show, Darren Star,

and then Michael Patrick was our second writer who came on. And he really understood comedy, which was great. So he infused everything with a lot more comedic jokes. and whatnot, I guess. I mean, they're not joke jokes. Like a sitcom, but, you know, funny, funny things. Funny moments. Yeah, and like timing.

He was about timing and kind of like exact timing, which was important. But this episode aired for the first time in the year 2000, which means we made it probably, I think we usually came on in June. Yeah, June 11th. So we started filming in February of that year. Oh, my God. And then the episode would come on in June. Oh, my God. Once we got going, that was what we did.

We'd go in February. pretending it was the summer. Freezing our little selves. In New York, February, it's freezing. It's gnarly, and you know what we wear. Yeah, tiny little clothes. Yeah, really cute thing. Thank you.

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We're politically erect. Now, as I said, what I remember about this is Slattery, John Slattery, and this was his second episode. And I just remember it being just fantastic, right? Yeah. So then when I rewatched it,

I'm like, this is dark. Yeah. I was kind of, And so irrelevant for what's happening right now. So relevant in like kind of a frightening way. Yeah. I mean, I had just so many moments of like, oh God, yeah. You know, and also like just how different the world is in ways that we could never have seen coming in the year 2000.

Never. It's so sad. It really is so sad. And it makes me just, I mean, obviously we know that our, you know, political lives have like created this kind of really negative. argumentative, divided 1,000% culture, which is so bad for the country. It is.

I mean, whether we agree or don't agree, like the tenor of the conversation is problematic. Isn't that so wild? Yes. That it's like politics, like what that is has like divided a country. I try my artist not to straight on talk about politics. But we have a show called Politically erect.

And it's like, Literally about a politician who has a peeing fantasy? Yes. It's really hard not to talk about it. It's so wild. It's insane. It's so relevant. And the thing about it is so interesting.

And let's just talk about this storyline first because it is like super fascinating. I think for one thing, John Slattery is a fantastic actor and a great guy. Yeah. And so fun and so loose, which is what I remember and think of, of course, and of course, since then he's been a madman and he's amazing and everyone knows him now, which is such a joy. to have an actor that we all knew because he's in New York and Sarah Jessica knew him

and everybody knew him and then to have him go on to this huge success is wonderful but then to see that he actually kind of plays an Ick character and so well right it was so natural

like yeah that's true and if you think about Mad Men he also kind of is an egg character but Slattery's charm is such that you don't realize right like it kind of

smooths it moving over, you know, to where you're just like, if you're handsome and. I mean, so non-threatening. I don't know about non-threatening. He is threatening, right? But like, you're like, good way. When they're good looking like that, you're like, what is it about you? Definitely. Most

definitely he has the it. He has the it factor for sure. Because I mean, I don't know that I don't know that I would use the word threatening or non-threatening, but he's so charismatic that in a room you can't not be aware of him, you know. There's a flag there. You just don't know what color it is.

Yes, exactly. You don't know if it's good or bad. But, I mean, slattery in life, it's good. And that's what's funny about when you watch the show, you're like, oh, no, it's not good. It's bad. The character, no, no, bueno. But slattery in life, yes, yes, yes, all the way, yes, right? He's just a joy. So it's really interesting to look back because, of course, you don't remember what's on the screen necessarily.

You remember the vibe, you know, in the room. And you just knew something was kind of. You just didn't know what it was going to be. 100%. And I, this is my other admission about the storyline. I thought the way that I remembered it was that he wants to pee on Carrie. Right. But that is not what it is.

She wants, he wants her. He wants her to pee on him. What on earth? You know, this. This. It's so hard to talk about, right? But this is the potency of the show, right? Yes.

we are. It's 2025 and this show came out in 200, 2000 with nothing on it. And we still have trouble talking about it. But this is what I want to ask you about because you're younger than me. So to me, when I look at our just culture in general around sexuality, it has advanced, right? In terms of like people are more free to be who they are and to like what they like. And, you know, they'll say things like, you know, this is my kink. It's, you know, don't shame it. You know, there's that vibe out there, right? But I mean, for me, it's hard for me to understand

that this. What do you think? Well, I just, because something similar happened to like one of my absolute best friends. Oh, tell us all about it. So I can't name her name. Of course. She would kill me. That's fine. She was dating

this guy and I, he was a little actor. Oh. Handsome. Oh, no. Like beautiful. really and they were like they just came together and like we thought oh this is about to be your

man like this is going to be so good I'm so happy for you and it was all going well until he wanted to sit on her face oh no oh no

and he had like a oh no no no don't say anything else don't say anything else that's horrible what did she do it was something that she could just it was very this whole thing like she just couldn't

follow through with that like it was just like this is what I think is really really important she didn't knock him like whatever it is that you do but that's not I'm not comfortable and I think that's what's so important is you absolutely have to stand up for what is good for you or not good for you

right we were not prepared for that no but you know what this is the show right this is the thing is that we're going to talk about stuff okay But the thing that I think is important is on the one hand, yes, let's not knock people for what they like, but on the other hand, don't do something you're uncomfortable with. Women, especially, I feel, do not do something that you are uncomfortable with. Do not ever, ever, wherever the camera is, ever do anything that you're not uncomfortable with. You can say no.

Right. And you can leave that situation. Definitely. So often, especially, you know, I'm a millennial, like we were just taught to kind of keep our mouths shut and kind of do. deal with things. You feel like that's true? Very much so. I think there's a lot of unlearning in my generation for sure.

Oh, wow. Yeah. I think that's certainly true for my generation. I don't even know that we've unlearned it. I don't think a lot of it. I think we're trying to unlearn it. Yes. It's a process.

It is a process. But that's why we talk about it. Right. That's why we talk about it. And tell the listeners these stories because we've all been in compromising situations and you can absolutely get out of that. You can say, no, this is weird. I don't knock it, but this is weird for me.

Right, right. And that's a delicate line, but I think that is something as a society that we're kind of learning, which I think is great. Yes. Because it used to just be like, you know, oh my God, or whatever, like the, you know,

you can't talk about it. Right. And not talking about it is not helping anything. No, let's talk about it. Definitely. Yeah. That's the joy of our show. And thus talk about it.

That's our podcast. We must also talk about it on a podcast. The thing that was so interesting, to me. So when we, when we start the episode, she says, the voiceover says, so I had been dating, whatever his name is, hold on, my politician, Bill Kelly, Bill Kelly, such a politician name for three weeks, but she's full on in like Jackie O year, which I love so much. She's got the nice sunglasses. She says she went shopping. She found a vintage coat. The dress with the flowers. Yes, the flowers are in full bloom. We are suddenly in the full bloom carry flower era.

And it is great. I mean, who knew? We certainly did not know at the time that this was going to be a huge thing that would follow us for 30 years. It hasn't left. I know. It's adorable. I mean, I'll see dresses now. I'm like, well, I can't wear that because there's a big flower.

And what a bummer. I'd love to wear it. I can't wear it. You know what I mean? It's Carrie. Right? It's so interesting. But I love that that became the thing.

That's crazy that that because of who you are, that's something you have to. be mindful of. I have to go through a whole thought process like, oh, that's a carry thing. I can't wear it. And then I'll think like, oh, well, look at this just and I'll be like, oh, see, that's Charlotte, but I've been playing her so long. Right? That is so wild. Right. That then I'm like, well, do I want to look like Charlotte for that event? Or do I not want to look like Charlotte for that event? Those are my only two choices. That is so wild. It's a lifelong commitment. It's a lifelong commitment. But it's a commitment that I'm happy to have, right? Like I'm, I feel like it's a rare, rare thing. That's lightning in a bottle. Definitely. Like what you experience. Definitely. It's the phenomena of that and what that did for so many women.

Thank goodness. It empowered women so much. I know, but we had no idea. We had no idea that was going to happen. We had no idea. We're saving lives here in the Sex and the City. I don't know about that, but that's very sweet. But I did also think there was a moment where I'm going to jump to the end of their storyline for a second.

but so basically here's slattery his handsome handsome self playing this politician and here's Carrie really like like committing to being on the campaign trail with him which I was I didn't remember that I was like she's on the campaign campaign and they're trying to put buttons on her in her vintage jacket you know what I mean I was it was very impressive so she's somehow just like fully in it which I feel like this is the first time that you're seeing her maybe the Justin Thoreau character also because she loved his family. But this is the first time you're seeing her with someone other than big

where you feel like, oh, it might work. Which is then why it's really sad, of course, when it doesn't work because of this thing that he wants her to do, but she just can't bring herself to do. But at the very end, when he... So basically, she very sweetly tries to come up with all the other things

she could do. She says something like, you know, maybe when we're having sex, we could run some water or tea. Some hot tea. Oh, my gosh. Gosh, it made me laugh so hard because it was the sweetest. She's trying to compromise.

She really was trying to compromise in like the most adorable way. And I love the way they filmed it because he's in the shower and you can't see his face. And she's sitting in the bathroom like so sweet, you know, in the sheet. Totally. And she's so kind of vulnerable and you can see how much she really likes him that she's trying to make this work out, you know, which is kind of, I feel like rare for her. I don't know if that's true. I feel like it's a little rare for anyone other than big, right? Yeah. For big, obviously, a lot of compromise involved.

But for other people, we haven't really seen that. Like, she liked it, let it go. Right. She didn't want to. She didn't want to let it go. She wanted to make it work out. She wanted to be on the campaign trail looking like all Jackie-O. Yeah. You know, it was like a fun part for her to play, kind of. So she's trying to make it work.

And then, you know, he's silent in the shower for a while. And then he moves the shower curtain. And he says, oh, you know, I wanted to tell you something. And he's kind of a bit of a jerk. And she goes, uh-huh. And her cute little vulnerable face, uh-huh. And he says, you know, how I was telling you, I read the column. And, you know, there are people in my life in the campaign who feel like maybe it was a little much.

And she's like, oh, and you could just see her wheels turning. The audacity. Exactly. Like, what does he mean? And then he says, you know, they were just thinking that right in the middle of a campaign that I shouldn't be, you know, dating a sex columnist. And she was like, ah, but wait a minute. You wanted me to pee on you. Exactly. And then he says, but nobody knows that. Right. And exactly. She has the power of her column, which is a great thing.

But it also reminded me in the writing, this was written by Darren, directed by Michael Patrick. We were still battling this kind of sexist reaction to the show. And I feel like that's what they were writing in there. Because there were still people who would write articles like, well, this show is silly, but it's obviously caught on. You know, it was always like kind of a hit against it. This is a show about women. Because they didn't understand it. Exactly.

And because it wasn't, you know, what they considered prestige TV, right? Like, prestige TV was about gangsters killing people. Right. No offense to the Sopranos because we love them. But, you know, that was like, serious, you know, Emmy Town. Let's go, right? We were the girls talking about sex. So they'd be like, oh, you know, this show with all these girls talking about sex,

roll their eyes, you know. That's what we don't do that in person. Exactly. Right. And it was so, we battled that for so long. And I felt like that was what they were kind of writing in also, like that you could get put down really quickly because of that, which is what you see him do to her. Like, yes, I'm a politician who would like you to pee on me, but I'm still going to dismiss you because you're just a sex columnist, you know, which is so ick. But also I love that how they. It is so it, isn't it? Right. Right. I agree. I agree. agree. But I also love how they were so, I feel like because we were living these things, you know, as a group. Because here we are. We loved our show so much. We were so committed. We've got a hundred hour week going on, right? Like, no one in our lives has seen us except for

ourselves in the show and behind the scenes, right? Like, that's how committed. Like, we love our show so much. Michael Patrick and I were just talking about this with that and just like that. We live in Los Angeles with our families and we leave to go to New York to do the show. show. That's how much we love it, right? Right. And so then for people to say, like, that we weren't committed or that we weren't somehow doing our best, it just hurts, you know, because, which is wild to me that they would say that.

But that this episode was very indicative to what you were going through in real life. Yep. I mean, always they are always writing something in that way, but it was, it's always just funny to me when they write that part in. Right. You know what I mean? Like the critique is like inherent in the plot. You know? God forbid four women are sexy, beautiful, intelligent, and have a body that they love

and want to date. Like, God forbid that that's something they have and that the fact that they put that down. Right? And that's, I guess that's what film does, right? Like, I mean, that's what we try to do when we're lucky enough to get a green light. Yeah. Do you know what I'm saying? Which is a struggle that also people don't even understand. I can't even like imagine like. every year hoping your show gets picked back up. Right. That is like such an incredible pressure and you sacrificing so much for that. That's true.

But I mean, I think all of acting is like that, right? So if you're even even in it, you know that's inherent, you know, which is a crazy lifestyle for sure. You never know what's going to happen ever, ever, ever, which is true for everyone in kind of the cosmic sense. Yes. But in actors world, it's like true on a day to day. Do you what I mean?

Yeah. You could get a big job tomorrow or you could get. no job for a year. You know what I'm saying? And that's still really true. I mean, people think somehow that at some point that's not true. No, it's always true. It never gets better.

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I do, too. I'm a gym and I have ADD. Oh, God, like we can jump back and forth. Apparently, I might have ADD as well. For sure. Wow. Okay. For sure. Okay. For sure. I love it. If I was reading a book and you confess to a murder, I would have never heard it.

I could just be in my book and I wouldn't have heard it. Well, that's kind of wonderful. Yeah, so do you ever need to confess anything to me, just come to me and I'll read my book and I will literally not hear anything. Can I ask you a question? I will. Then we're going to get, we're going to get back to the show, but I want to ask you a question. Do you feel that this helps your creative life? Like, talking about the show or just.

No, no. How many ADHD? Yes. I mean, yeah. Yeah, it helps it a lot of my life. Like, I can clean a whole entire house because I have ADD because I go from room to room, room, room to room until like three hours later. And then the whole house is clean. But it's amazing. Yeah, but it's like I will go to the bathroom and go wipe the mirrors down and be like, oh, I got to put this laundry up.

And then I'll go down and go down to the laundry room and put the laundry in and be like, oh, I need to go mop the floors. And it's just this whole thing. It's terrible. But yes, it does create. things I think about in terms of, you know, actors and music and all the creative things because we don't have like a regular desk job, right, where you're having to go to the same place every time and do the same thing. Even Sex and City, which we've been doing all together, you know, since the year of 1998.

Still very different, right? Everywhere we went, every day is different. You're in a different place. You have different actors. You have different lines. Hopefully you're with the same people, which is the joy as an actor for me at least. But you don't get into acting thinking that's going to happen. You get into acting thinking you're going to get this challenge over here

and then hopefully this challenge over here and hopefully this challenge over here. And I think that there's a lot to be said for the creative arts and ADHD working well together. Because also it's so interesting. It's kind of a heightened world, right? Like you're performing. It makes your dopamine like you get a jolt, right? And you're up in a heighten. in the world, which I feel like connects.

Yeah. Do you feel that? Absolutely. One thousand percent now that you think about it. And I think having ADHD enables you, like you said, to bounce between jobs. Then it's like cleaning the house. Right. Right.

And you can clean the house in between. Yeah, absolutely. You're able to do all these things and compartmentalize your different emotions. That's right. Wow. Which is super important. Look at you. I think about these things right now.

I think about these things. I mean, only because apparently I might have ADHD. Yeah, I don't know. It's all right. I definitely do. Well, I'm glad that you definitely do and that you know it. Good for you. And good for you, then you can use it to channel things.

Okay, back to the episode. Back to the episode. Okay, let me ask you, because this is what I've decided to do now. I like to stick with one storyline, right, and kind of like suss it out because it's interesting to look at how they develop it over the show, right, and what happens. And I love, I'm curious. Do you love Brady? David, David, David Dagenberg, Steve Brady.

I mean, you don't. I can tell by your face. Oh my God, tell me. No, no, I do. I do. Tell me. Do you not think he's right for Miranda? I do think he's right for Miranda.

Okay, but sometimes during this episode, I thought he wasn't. Yeah, because when he meets, you know. At the party. Yeah. That's uncomfortable. I was on her side. I was really, really, really uncomfortable. You know, knowing where the show ends up.

Right. It makes so much sense that they were never going to be right together. It's so fascinating, right? Because now we know so much more and you're watching it with a different understanding. But also the thing that I think is so, first of all, I think Eugenberg is a great actor. Great. So anytime they're together, I'm very much wowed by Eugenberg because Cynthia is a very powerful actor as well. And he more than holds his own with her, you know.

So, like, for instance, that scene in bed where he tells her that he loves her. First of all, that is the scene when he holds her breast in a way that I do not find attractive. And I was very unhappy with him and unhappy with everyone on the set that day that they did not protect Cynthia better. And I wanted to go. Right where you like, ow, right? Nobody does that. Like, ow, it was like, ouchy. That's not real life.

Yeah. I mean, I'm afraid it might be real life for some people. Because of real life in my life. Where did he come up with it? You know what I'm trying to say? Like, let me just... Like, squeeze it. Yeah.

Like, it looked painful. It didn't look comfortable. No, and I was like, why didn't someone just say, just move your hand. No, it wasn't sexy because it looked like it hurt. I think that might have been also a part. Like, I think all of the sex scenes they had together, he always made me feel a little uncomfortable. Oh, that's interesting. I feel when I watch Eigenberg, it's interesting for me now because at the time, there was too much going on for me to really think about.

Igenberg, right? Yeah. And I didn't, hardly ever get to work with him, you know? And I tried to get him on the podcast, and he just cannot come on because he can't remember anything he says, and he doesn't want to talk about his work, which I find so adorable. Yeah. But part of the reason I think that that is true is that he is so unbelievably real. Yeah. Like when I'm watching him.

That's probably, because he's so awkward, and it makes so much sense. Right. Like, it's like he's not acting. I know that he's acting, and he's a very good actor. Yeah. But he's just so real. And, like, those sex scenes are so real seeming. Compared to all the others especially, right?

Like, they're very different. So, on the one hand, he's squeezing. I know. You're in a protective mode, which I am too. The squeezing of the breast is just, it really, it really upset me at the time too. Look those were just like the neck. I know, I know. And I said to Cynthia, I was like, Sin, I am going to come to the set the next time that you have a sex scene with I can work and I'm going to have a chat with him. And she was like, no, you're not.

It was fine. No, no, no. Because she has no vanity or self-awareness or anything, meaning in a good way. Totally. Squeeze them. You know what I mean? I was like, babe, how did you get through that day? Yeah.

You know how many times do you have to do that? Yeah, a lot. For sure. But back to the scene. He tells her in that scene that he loves her and it's so good. And I didn't remember it. It was really sweet. But I was like, what's going to happen?

Because he's just so good. You don't even know what he's going to say. Yeah. It's so good. and she's so good but I did also love before that when they're walking on the street and she's all her powerful corporate self

and he's his kind of adorable goofy self and he's talking about how he wants to go steady and she looks like he so doesn't read her do you do what I mean? Like her face is like no no but she doesn't say it she just thinks it.

He's like I know right I know I feel for him I think she always thought And her character always thought she deserved something better. But see, then my question is, and I think it's hard for me to totally separate from Charlotte's journey, right? Yeah. Like, what would have been better? I don't know.

I know. Do what I mean? Yeah. Like, maybe Blair Underwood. I mean, he was so good. Right? I loved their relationship together. So maybe Blair Underwood.

But I also loved when, you know, Steve. Of course. Like, that was one of my favorite things when she was like, I love you. of course of course of course and i mean they that whole were not to that season yet but that the way that they played the two of them yeah they were so hot the writing so hot so hot and just just sad sad side note we were planning a way to bring Blair back to and just like that I know right like dagger to the heart right like dagger dagger that we didn't get to do that I'm not even going to get into the wise that we didn't get to do that but we had a plan we were

We were so excited. I know, right? Because we need Blair in everything. And everything that we do. He was everything. Right? And I remember at the time being so excited that we got him. But I don't mean to diminish Igenberg because there's a part of me where I feel and I feel like.

He was perfect. I mean, everything was so perfect. Right. And he evens are out in a way that kind of Harry even Charlotte out. Yes. So even though we're very far from finding Harry, when I watch them, I do think about the fact that they're different. and the fact that they're different might be a positive. Oh, it's perfect.

Like, you need someone. When you have someone like, you know, Cindy or Miranda's character, she was so strong, so indecisive, so independent. She needed someone that annoyed her just enough. But he was so sweet. He was like a puppy dog. He is sometimes like a puppy dog. That's true.

And I feel a little afraid for him. I feel a little afraid for him sometimes But he can handle it Because puppy dogs like That's true That's true But you know Because they had already broken up

The first round Which would have been season two And he just looks so hurt When you break up that time Like so hurt So I do feel concerned for him a little bit Also I think because we know where it's going Yeah

So it's hard not to feel a little bit worried for him I know, we're like oh you'll be fine Well kind of and kind of not Yeah Like it's sad I don't know I had a lot of sad and weird feelings watching this particular episode, I tell you. I don't know if it's just my mood today or whatever, but it was a lot. It was.

I think it's because it's so relevant to today. Yeah. I think you're right. In a way that you just can't even believe. It's even stronger now. I do. It has resonance. Yeah, like you even see like Gen Z that are in the dating world right now.

You felt that when you're watching it? I mean, like that's what I was thinking about. Really? You know, like, you know, like women that are liberal that, you know, will go on these dating apps and what you see. It's so relevant to-and-compromising, like wanting to compromise, wanting to make it work. Because I genuinely feel like people really do want to meet somebody. Definitely. And to have to make those considerations.

Yeah, that's a real thing. You know? Yes, I do. Oh, my God. Yes. See, I'm single. so I totally Oh, God.

No, I'm single and, you know, I'm like, not willing to compromise. You can't. You can't. Therefore, you're just like, I'm fine all by myself.

Exactly. Exactly. Well, I got my kids, so I, everything's about them, you know, yeah. I tell, if my husband and I don't make it, I, like, that's it for me. Like, I found the way you will.

You know, I absolutely think we will, but, you know, like, I just think about it. Like, like you said, when you have your kids like yeah what else do you need definitely I mean there are things that are missing

don't get me wrong but you know it's like are you going to take time away yeah and are you worth it for me to take definitely that's the bar that's hard to meet

the bar is like all the way in heaven right now totally it's like it's really really high okay it is too much fun talking to you Mickey we're going to have to have you

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