Are You A Charlotte? - Great Scott! Adam Scott on Trey, Harry and if he’s a Charlotte!... (S3 E1 "Where There's Smoke")

Episode Date: October 22, 2025

Adam Scott continues his passionate deep dive into all things Sex and the City.He isn’t a Charlotte but who he is will surprise you! Plus, why Harry is perfect for Charlotte.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen and subscribe to here we go again with Cal Penn on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Kristen Davis, and I want to know, are you a Charlotte? And here we are back with the fantastic Adam Scott. We are going to recap season three, episode one, Where There's Smoke, written and directed by Michael Patrick King. So here I am, and this is what we've decided to do, because, I mean, you guys recap on your show, on your podcast about your show, but you also play the scenes, right?

But we don't do that, right? So we, what I like to do is I talk about, talk about the characters through line rather than like bopping around to the different. Yeah, is that cool? So the thing that I love about this, first of all, do you know slattery? Yes.

Isn't he fantastic? And he's so good on sex in the city. Right. So that's one of the his superpowers, I think, is when you watch slattery, you're just so at ease as an audience member. Absolutely. He just, he's got this.

I mean, you don't have to. It's incredible. He only doesn't even have any hardly lines. I know. I think it's crazy. He's such a presence, and it's hard to believe that it was even written. It feels like it's coming. He's just great.

Right? He's great. I know. He's so incredible. And you want them to be together. I know. You want them to be together until the thing happens. Until the thing happens.

Which is the next episode, is that right? I think it's coming because I haven't seen it yet. I haven't seen it yet. But also I asked him to be on the pod and he said no. And sometimes I'm like, why do they say no? And then I forget what the guys had to do. Like, sometimes they had to do kind of ick things. Right.

Maybe they don't want to talk about it. I don't know. Right. And then like different co-stars who have come on, guest stars, tell us like, oh, yes, you know, now I'm still asked about it. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You know. But that's, the story was about the women and think about all the dumb stuff women had to do over the years as.

Thank you, Adam. You know what I mean? Yes, I do. Like, come on. Yes, I do. We can take a few for the team. Thank you so much. Thank you so much.

I do think, I think it's weird in that I think for them. And I think at the time we were somewhat aware that it was odd for them to come in and that guested our way of like the boyfriend because as women we were very used to being the guest our girlfriend, right? But they were not so used to being the guest our boyfriend. So it was emasculating for them to do that?

Possibly. I mean, I've never used that word to them. I've just said, was it weird or uncomfortable? And they were like, yeah, kind of, yeah, yeah. And the thing I was going to say that reminded me when I watched this, and I remember this time, you know, very well because it was when things really were like clicking and happening. And, you know, that first week was so hard

and we were on the Staten Island Ferry, and I remember all of us were like, oh, my God, we're on the Staten Island Ferry. And we had to keep turning it around so that the background would match, you know, so that the city would match. Remember how we're talking about, like, look at how small it looks. Right, that was really fun.

But when we're going and we're talking about, like, look at how small the island is and it has all of our ex-boyfriends on it. And so we had to keep turning the ferry around, and the ferry's huge. Yeah, it takes forever. And people were throwing up over the side. You're anything like you.

So you get seasick on the ferry? I don't, but other people did. But you do? Because you don't normally turn it around. Yeah, you're not on it for that long. Right. It is too big to keep, you know, circling back or whatever, like how we had to do it. And that was an all-nighter, I mean, so bad, like till the sun came up.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And luckily, I just had to act crazy for that other one. But I don't really remember that as well. It's funny because I think as an actor, like you have to check out a little bit when you're going to act all crazy like that. But it's adorable to watch. I do remember being cold because we would go back in February, but still have to probably be

wearing our little dresses. freezing right but at least in this one we get to talk about it yes yes and i literally am like i'm so cold which i probably just begged them please let me say it because i've got to hold on to sarah desks i'm praising we're on the water in february for god's sake you know but it was it was really it was fun times but the thing that i think so when i look at in in terms of let's talk about charlotte for a second this is when they had sat me down and said you know this is when we want charlotte to really decide that she wants to get married this year and she's going to do what i'm ever it takes. And she's going to be like a heat seeking missile. You know, like, and soon I'm

going to get the book, like I have a book that's going to talk about how to get married or whatever, like craziness, right? Because is it, is it in the next episode where you're like, where is he? It's this one. Oh, it's this one. It's this one. Yeah, which is great, which is a great scene. And so I was, I was all down for it because I knew, you know, that culturally women are are like this. Women are fed this thing, you know, about, you know, getting married and having the perfect And you only have this one window. Exactly. Exactly.

And all of that, I don't personally feel, didn't feel then, but I certainly knew a lot of people did. And I felt like this is great. And I also knew that it wasn't going to work out. Yeah. But the plan, the original plan was that Charlotte was going to be like, you know, on it, on it, on it. I'm going to do this.

I'm going to do that. I'm going to look at it like a job. You know, all these crazy things I'd say and they'd all roll their eyes at me. You know what I mean? Yeah. But then it was going to work. And the idea was that I was going to find this guy, because before we knew it was Kyle, I was going to find this guy.

Trey. Trey. Yeah. Good. And I was going to find him and he was going to look perfect, right? So everything was going to look perfect. But then everyone was going to think he was the most boring thing ever.

Yeah. You know, like when one of your friends married somebody you don't really love them. Yes. And like the other friends were like, you go talk to them. Yeah. He was going to be like that. Yeah. But then it was Kyle.

Yeah. And Kyle is just too damn interesting. So then we all collectively fell in love with Kyle. Yeah. And he stayed longer than he was ever. supposed to stay do you know what I mean but we still had to let him go so was the impotence thing uh replacement for the boring thing I think it was I'd have to ask Michael Patrick that but I think so I know I know who would have something that coming because you can build the perfect life

around it and the impotence thing could be a secret right which it ends up being right and so but Charlotte is so dedicated to this idea that and all appearances were her dream come true but there's this corruption at the middle of it right you can't do there's nothing to be done about it right and then the them getting back together and does it go into season four is you know what i don't even know i mean because that's what i was going to say too i only watched these back in the day when we were making them you're seeing them for the first yes sometimes i don't remember well oh yeah sometimes i remember everything right it's weird i watch see when someone to see parks and rack and i do not remember filming that and it's a very

very weird feeling. Isn't it weird? Like sometimes I'm like, what am I about to do? Yeah. Am I going to make out with these people? Right. It's like watching a different person. Right. You're like, oh my God. Am I going to? And no, it was a dream. I didn't. So I was like, I don't remember having a threesome. Oh my God. Oh my God. It was very scary. But I mean, there are some things I remember crystal clear. Yes. You know, like you'll remember that day or what it was happening off camera or whatever. But when we start this episode, I see that I'm wearing a cross. So I also think that Michael Patrick and Darren already planned that the first marriage wasn't going to work out and then I was going to fall in love with the Jewish guy and convert because I had never worn a cross

before. But I remember they started pushing these crosses on me. I have a diamond cross coming. I'm wearing like an old-fashioned looking cross at the beginning of this episode. Like they already knew. But I don't think I knew that whole part. Or if I did, I kind of was just more focused on the Kyle of it all, you know, once that came. Because Harry's definitely not till season four. or five, right? I feel like, I mean, I also feel like in my mind, I know we kept Kyle longer than we were supposed to, but I don't know that we kept him all that long.

And I think this season we do like 21 or something, like in the old days. You know what I mean? So, wild. So many episodes. Right, so many. Like, like, I'm sure you guys did that on Parks and Back too. Yeah, 22. It's crazy.

It's crazy to think about. And we shoot them in five days. Right, which is also insane. Insane. Insane. Insane. Well, I did a show Party Down. We shot four days.

What? Yeah. Oh, like all night. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's crazy.

Did you have kids yet? Yeah, they were brand new kids. Oh, wow. Yeah. That's crazy town, isn't it? It was crazy town. Yeah, it's hard. But it was in L.A.

At least. It was in L.A. Thank God. Thank God. Thank God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God, I know. All right, let's recap.

Let's recap. It's always so hard, especially when I have someone like yourself when I can just talk about all kind of things. Okay. So this is what's great about this episode is that Carrie is heartbroken because Big has gotten engaged to Natta. And she doesn't necessarily want to date. And then she comes across Slattery on Staten Island of all places.

And I mean, who could say no to Slattery? My God. But he has to pursue her hardcore. And he's a politician. And he's a politician. Can I just say this episode has, it just, it has season premiere vibes, which is great. Yeah. It's just so, it's like a reset.

Yeah. The dancing, everything. Yeah. Everyone has good shit. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Samantha. Firing on all cylinders.

Samantha in that firehouse, I had forgotten. I had 100% forgotten about that. And also, and I'm off track because I was going to talk about Carrie, but let's talk about Samantha for a second. Because when we go to that Staten Island bar, which I do think we literally went to Staten Island, though I'm not 100% sure. Yeah, I did have to go to Staten Island to do riding lessons for the season two finale when I ride my horse in Central Bar.

Park, which was my first time to Staten Island. And I was like, what planet have I landed on? I have never been to Staten Island. It's crazy, Adam. You've got to go. It's just a different world. I mean, I think it's, yes, it's totally different than the rest of Manhattan. But also, they have horses and stuff.

Like, who knew, like trees and horses and whatnot. But so I do think we were either in, like, lower Manhattan. Sometimes we would go to Dumbo. Like, when she goes... It's right across the bridge. Exactly. I think she was in Dumbo. with the ferry, because maybe we couldn't shoot in Staten Island.

And I later on for this past show, rented an Airbnb in Dumbo thinking that it was going to be like the old Dumbo. And then I was like, what, Disneyland? It's like Beverly Hills now. It's crazy. Like with like, you know, picture, Instagram picture ops and whatever. No, I remember like warehouse. Sweet green everywhere.

Exactly. Literally every corner has a sweet green. It's quite, quite different. But we, you know, we were somewhere with those firemen taking off their shirts. And I feel like they might have been real fireman. I need to check. But then like Samantha goes and talks to the one that she thinks looks the best. And he is so funny.

Do you remember? He's really funny. He's super dumb and really good at being. I mean, it's incredible. Yeah, he's really funny. I had to rewind and laugh again. Like he just keeps talking and she doesn't want him to talk. She's like, shut up.

It's hysterically funny. She's so funny. And hats off to her doing that firehouse stuff too. I had forgotten. It was incredible. And I had not remembered it. And when she is, so she's, she goes to the firehouse, which also like, what on earth? You know, and then she's, and then the voiceover says like, then Samantha realized, because we do bring up, I love the whole rescue theme, you know, and this is when Charlotte, you know, Charlotte goes out dancing, you know, just realizes, I guess for the first time that she's a catch, which is hysterical, right?

And Carrie's like, yes, darling, yes. And then the next morning, we're hungover. Everyone's hung over, but I'm particularly hungover. and I get to film that scene that then we played at every award show and I got to hear everybody laugh where I say like, you know, I've been dating since I was 15 where is he?

My hair hurts, you know, which was so great. So great. Quintessentially Charlotte and when I die, they can just show that. It'll be fine. You know what I mean?

There's so much more too. There is, but I mean, that would be fine. It's a great scene. It's like when things work, you're just like, thank God, right? So that worked really well. But everybody's got, like, and at that coffee shop scene,

that's one of my favorite coffee shop scenes. Yeah. Because the hungover. The hungover. And then we're talking about firemen and why does everyone like firemen? And this is pre-9-11. Yeah. Which is also kind of amazing, right?

That's right. And we're talking about the hero and like just the look in their eyes that they will save you. And it's so interesting that once you guys all sort of land on that, everyone stops talking for a minute and just kind of absorbs this reality that you've all stumbled upon. And you're just like, shit. It's so good. It's so good. It's so good. And then Slattery does rescue her, then she rescues him.

Absolutely, absolutely. But also Charlotte's dance is really iconic, too. I guess, yes. It's so sweet. Thank you. And she's just having a moment of pure happiness, self-generated. Right. And also free.

She's not depending on any, free, but not depending on the attention of a man or anything. No, that's true. That's true. She is having her own happiness in that moment. That's so true. That's so true. Because earlier I've screwed my face all up into a weird thing and said, like,

there's no datable men here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, you know, I'm so charlady, judgy. But then she sets herself free and has a funny dance to like a weird song. I remember when Michael Patrick, I was thinking it would be something that we knew, you know,

that I would have to lip sync. I don't remember the... It's a very strange song that I still don't even remember because I remember I had to like study it. Like, what the heck? Maybe it was cheap. I think it was cheap. I think that was totally.

totally it. And I was like, couldn't we do something else? And he's like, no, you have to do this one. Yeah, yeah. I was like, okay, okay, okay. Because there was an expensive song earlier in the episode. Right. I think that's right. I think that's right. I mean, expensive for the time, right? Yes. Yes, exactly. murder. Not once. People went wild. Not twice. Stunned. But three times. John and Anne Bender are rich and attractive and they're devoted to each other. They create a nature reserve and build a spectacular circular home high on the top of a hill. But little by little, their dream starts to crumble. And our couple retreat from reality. They lose it. They actually lose.

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So, and I remember that at that time, because also Sarah Jessica does a little dance, and the camera's above us, we would get it at choreographer because we were so nervous about any dancing. If they said the word dance, the choreographer would be called, do I mean, just to hold our hands. I get it. It's hard. Yeah, and it's embarrassing in front of everybody. Totally. You got to free yourself up.

how when if you know some steps or like an idea. And you're not actually drunk. Right. You have to like, yeah. Yes, you're absolutely pretending that as well. We never, we never drank real drinks, no matter other people did on other sets,

I guess. I've been finding out through this podcast. I feel like I would, that would, I think that would be terrible because then three hours later you're going to be like feeling like shit and hungover and you have to work another nine hours. And you're going to have to do other scenes where you're not drunk or right.

I don't even understand how that works. Yeah, I'm sober also. So that would be a problem. Yeah. But I didn't have to do that. So it was all good. But yeah, it was always fun for Charlotte to play drunk, to be drunk because she would be free, you know, which was so nice. So we all have this moment, which I think the entire scene of the, you know, do women just want to be rescued, I think is an incredible theme and holds up still. And a great way to launch the season. Absolutely a great way to launch the season. And still such a, we could do a new show now about that. Totally. You know? Like, do women still want to be rescued?

Yeah. I kind of feel like they do. Well, everything in the show is evergreen, don't you think? I do. I do. I mean, every once in a while, there'll be something where we say something weird, like the, do you know, Danny Futterman? Oh, yeah. Yeah.

And he played the metrosexual. And that was a word. He's so good. He's so good. Yeah. It was a word that didn't survive, right? Like we're past that. I remember that.

We've moved past that. Yes. Yeah. So sometimes there's something like that. Sure. There's little cultural things. Right. But like the bigger themes, I think are 100,

I think even in that case, the fact that these four women come to that conclusion is still interesting and still resonant that that's where they land and they, all four of them at the same time are like, yeah, okay, um, in 2001 or 2000 or 2000. Yeah. I know. I know. I know. I love it. I love it. But I think it's great because it is still something that, I mean, I guess it's specific now to everybody, right? Like, do they want to be rescued or don't they? I mean, I didn't want to be rescued at the time, but I certainly knew that I was supposed to want to be rescued. Right. Which also gets a reaction, you know, yeah. Yeah. So my reaction was like, no, I will not be rescued. I will be super independent. Yeah. Get away from me. Don't open that door. You know what I mean?

Well, you can still be independent and still want that feeling, even if you don't, even if that feeling is it doesn't preclude you from carrying on with your life maybe it's i don't know i do think that's true i mean i did eventually go out with someone who who used to say me like could you just relax with the independence a little bit he was australian so i'm not going to go too much into detail and i'd be like what do you mean and you'd be like well like for instance you know just let me order and i'd be like okay all right i'll try you know you know what i mean go for it like you could give it up you know what i mean i could give up i didn't need to have it you know what i'm saying But you have to, I think I had to prove to myself that I could be independent.

Yeah. Yeah. Maybe that's what it was. And therefore you are. Exactly. And I mean, I was then too, but then I could also just let him have the power if he needed to have the power if that made him feel good. Sure.

And it made me feel good. And then one time I got sick and he was there and I let him take care of me. Uh-huh. Was that a big thing? Big step. Big step. And he was very good at it. Yeah.

And I was like, that's nice. And was it a nice feeling to have someone take care of? Good feeling. It would have been very, because we were on location and he just happened to be visiting. And if he hadn't been there, I would have just gutted it out by myself. Like, I wouldn't have called anybody because I wouldn't have wanted to worry anybody. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Yeah. Like when you're on location, you don't want to scare everyone. Yeah. Right? Because I already, I had the weekend off, but I was like, I would have just hold up in that little hotel room by myself. Yeah. So it was nice. Yeah.

Right. Let someone, even if it's for their sake to let them feel like they are taking, you know. Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. But I think, and that's why it was, and still is, you know, whenever I do play Charlotte, it's still interesting, is that she wanted all these things, but then is also super, super capable, right? Yes. But still thought she wanted the fantasy. Yes. And then has to let go of elements of the fantasy, but still found the good guy.

That's right. You know, but then, like, when, if you ever are on a plane and watch and just like that, you will see, like, Charlotte runs that family. Yeah. Is what I mean? Interesting. Yeah. It's great. But don't you think Harry?

also... He's powerful. But he also, one of the things he loves about her, at least in Sex and the City when they meet. And then the movies as well is that he does love

that she's independent and she can take care of herself. Definitely. And he doesn't think she needs him to rescue her. Definitely. Definitely. They have a very good partnership.

Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Like he respects her from the start. Absolutely. And that's, I think, the thing that catches her off guard and, you know, is so attractive, right?

Like the kind of deep respect and also he's just such a good human being. Yeah. You know, which is what's incredible. But also doesn't really take any of her shit. No, no, he doesn't. That's a good point. That's a good point.

And I mean, I haven't gotten to rewatch that part yet. And I feel like I'm really going to discover a lot when I do. Do you know what I? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Because, you know, like sometimes when I rewatch, I'm like, wow, I didn't like see all these subtleties, you know, because you're in it.

It's super interesting because it's super interesting when they, meet. It's great. Yeah, I mean, Evan's great. I love, yes, and I love you two together. It's so fun. Thank you. I mean, we lucked out with him. We lucked out with him. He's so great. I know. I'm going to have to keep rewatching, but I do. I have to ask you this question because I'm dying to know. One of the reasons that I think about Evan, and I think about how lucky we are, is that that part was written for another actor that Michael saw doing a play off

Broadway. And then it became between that actor and Evan. And Evan, we used to get to read with the people who were in the finalists for our main guys, right? Not Kyle. Kyle, Michael met at a picnic and just told me it's going to be a Kyle McGuagwin. I was like, okay. I mean, what are you going to say? Right? But Evan came in in this audition with props

and he took this big muffin out and just ate it and talked with like the crumbs coming out of his mouth, right? Like super confident. And I remember seeing and I don't know if this was intentional or not in the lead up to the Emmys that Brits audition tape. Did you see that it like got out? Yeah. Like how does

that happen? So interesting. Um, I mean, I think they put it out. They did on purpose. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, got it, got it. Because it was so incredible. Yeah. I mean, my God. Yeah, she sent that in and it was an incredible tape and then came in and we read together. Got it, got it.

And she was great. But yeah, that, that tape is fantastic. And he showed you the tape because this is in the self-tape era. Yes, we've seen the tape. Got it, got it, got it. Um, But I hadn't seen it when she came in to read. I hadn't seen it yet. Okay.

But I knew Britt from before. Oh, good. And when she walked in, I was like, oh, my God. Yeah, of course, Britt. Right. And I knew immediately it was like, that's, that's her. And she's so perfect. Oh, yeah.

Absolutely. Amazing. Amazing. Like, when you see that self-tape, I mean, it is, it's perfection. It's all there. And that's a hard, hard scene. It's not easy. Good Lord.

Yeah. So impressive. Anyway, sorry. I'm always curious about when they release those things, like, how does it happen? Yeah. You know? Yeah. I mean, I wish we had those.

I don't think we do. I think it was like, this is so great. Should put it out. Yeah, cool, cool, cool. I totally agree. All right. Samantha's in that firehouse. So I had forgotten that she goes to the literal firehouse.

Yeah. And thinks it's going to have some like sex fantasy and all those dudes are there just staring at her. And they're not all like hunky. No, they're not all hunky. Of course. And then she's like, why are all the outfits here on the floor? You know, which is just really funny. he's like for a fire and then of course the bell goes off and then she she before that when

she gets gets in his or whatever she looks so incredibly cute yes like it's so fantastic but then that fireman really yells at her like get out yeah he's like get the fuck out of it's like crazy it's so good and then she's standing there by herself in the firehouse I know no clothes very brave yeah very brave very brave on her part and really incredibly good like you're right every single storyline is so, so good. And it's such a compact amount of time. Yeah, Michael Patrick wrote and directed. Amazing.

That's him at his, he's like all cylinders firing. Yep. So then we've got Miranda, who is, you know, struggling. This really, I've related to this so much, talking about independence. She's got to go have her Lasix. And she doesn't want to call a friend. I've been in this place so many times. I'm like, I won't need a friend.

Well, you have a wife, right? But do you still try not to? Well, I remember. in my single days just like moving by myself exactly like I don't want anyone to help me right I don't need help I don't need help and then you're like oh my god my back is killing yes right and like Moran is so adorable like she wakes up from Blasix and they told her every different way that she needs a friend and she wants Carrie she doesn't want Steve and David tries his little sweet self and then she wakes up and it's all blurry and she sees him there and then it's nice he's so sweet isn't he

Yeah. Isn't he so good? The best. David Eigenberg, yeah. He's incredible. And I love that she writes those big notes for herself. Through the Chinese restaurant. Yeah, which is the same Chinese restaurant she orders from the whole series.

It's a three line. Yeah. It's a very important three line. Yeah, it's just like her favorite place. I know. And that's the other thing rewatching where I really respect the writer so much, you know, like the details. Totally. But on the other hand, I would also say there are sometimes inconsistencies,

which in the olden days, pre-social media, we were allowed to get away with. Of course. And now we are not. Well, you know, one thing that you notice is that when you guys go to restaurants on the show, often it's the exact same menu. Have you noticed that?

Yes. It's our prop people are like, get out the restaurant menu. Totally, totally, totally. Sometimes that's because we are at a real restaurant that we are going to use as the real restaurant for one scene and one episode, but we would cross board,

we'd shoot two at once, right? Right. And so then in the back, we would have asked for like a back room and we've dressed it differently to be like an innocuous restaurant so we can use that restaurant twice and get away with it.

But yes, little details like that I do sometimes see. I'm like, oh, that's funny. That's the like, it's got like onion soup or whatever on it. Like it's got like funny things. I see stuff like that and love it. So do why. So do why.

So do why. As actors, I mean, because we understand why, you know what I mean? But like you guys on Severance could never get away with any. No, but one thing I do notice too is when people look down for their marks. But whenever I pointed out, my wife is like, what?

What are you talking about? Oh, my God. It's so. I know. I know. I love it. Yeah. I love it.

But I remember like when I first was guest starring or whatever, I mean, the panic about your mark. It's terrifying. And if you have to docee dough. Oh, yeah. Back in the olden days. Oh, yeah. Or if you're doing a long walk and talk and you have to land on a thing.

Right. I mean, this was our show, the walk and talk. I mean. Oh, yeah, I'm sure. And you're out in the wild, too. In the wild, with the strangers yelling at us and whatnot. But you can feel it too in these great scenes. Oh, absolutely, absolutely.

Sorry, you're trying to. No, it's okay. I want to recap, but I mean, also, I just like to talk. Yeah, I like talking to you. Okay, Miranda's storyline, I mean, I think we did the important part. The important part is that it's adorable. And then when she does wake up and she sees Steve and she puts her hand in his hand. Yes.

Oh, my God. It's the sweetest. Yeah, when she wakes up and takes the goggles off. Yes, and she can see clearly. and then she sees him clearly. It's incredible. It's so good. I love those too.

I do too. And I did not appreciate him at the time. I've said this already. And I mean, not that I didn't think he was great or whatever, I just, I think I liked when we were all single somehow, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I didn't really understand how incredibly good he was

and how opposite they were and complimentary and how good the writing was. Yeah, and she certainly, fights it. Yeah. But when you love someone, you love them. Absolutely. Even if they aren't what you pictured. And even if you didn't even think you wanted to get married and whatever. And if you want to be a partner at your law firm, more than you want to get married and all the different things. And he embarrasses her and he makes dumb jokes. And she's like, God, you know, fights it every step of the way. Every step of the way. And she's just so good. They're both so good. So good.

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This is leading up to that she's in debt. This is when I think they're really thinking about. When they get to her borrowing money from you. Exactly. Exactly. Wanting my ring to pay off her shoe debt. Which is. Yeah. Because, but that's. Yeah, because that's after Trey. Right, right. So they're really at this point, I think they've got their writer's room together before the show and they're really planning.

And then also, is it post-split up with Trey that you're walking and Cynthia follows you? Oh, yeah, well, no, no, I'm still with Trey because that's when I really know that I can't have a baby. And remember when you gets that paper baby out, that that poster baby? Not a great move. I know.

Not a great move. I know. And I thought it would just be. a little chuckle or whatever he says. I know. That's when he's really annoyed. Oh, boy. But he's still him.

But you walking home and the voiceover sang, she knew if she would turn around. That's like... I know it was good. It was really good. It was really good. I look back on those storylines. I haven't watched it again yet, right?

But I look back on them. And I think in some ways I was a little young, like all my friends hadn't started going through that yet. Do you know what I mean? Like there was a time maybe like five years after that where like all my friends. are going through IBM. You're like, everybody in its hell.

You know what I mean? We hadn't really known people yet so much who had done that. And I wonder if I did it justice. You know what I'm saying? Oh, yes, you did. Okay. It's so good. Thank you, Adam.

It's so good. Not just that, but also it's the, Charlotte is going through so much because there's the infertility, but then there's the marriage falling apart. and she has to redefine herself. Yeah. She knows she can't do this. Right. She knows she can't stay with this guy.

Right. And it takes a while for her to actually come to terms with that and make the move. Right. She can't do it. No. It's hard. It's hard. Because you had everything and bunny.

Oh. Because the apartment, the money, it's just like impossible. All of it. But also that scene with. Miranda following Charlotte home, it's also, it's a little micro moment of what the show really earns and builds, which is these four women are bulletproof.

When they're together, they'll do anything for each other. Oh, dude. Absolutely. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's so good. Yeah, yeah.

That, I think, is the legacy, you know, in so many ways. I mean, there's so many different elements of the legacy. One is the talking freely about sex, of course, but like the women being together, not being pitted against each other ever at all, which is shocking for a TV show at the time, which is so bizarre, right? Yeah.

But I'd come from Melrose Place where like that's all you ever were were pitted against the other women, you know, like soap opera-ish, right? But the fact that we were chosen family and that we were there for all of it and that we were the, you know, ride or dies or however you want to talk about it.

And I do feel like culturally now, that's much more celebrated. I think with men as well, Which I feel like men are like a little behind with the, you know, male friendship being celebrated or whatever, you know? Mm-hmm. Like, it's important. Yeah, it's incredibly important. Right?

Yeah, and that was all, you're right, that was a huge part of it, too. There were so many firsts with the show. Yeah. And it's all just so valuable. You're so sweet to be such a fan. I love it. And you're incredible. Adam.

Yes. Are you a Charlotte? That's a good. question um any answer is acceptable i feel like i'm a miranda wow really i think so that's interesting i think so in what way i think that um miranda is i see i don't like putting any of them in boxes because i think they're all like whole human beings that's one of the superpowers of the show, as they all are lots of different things. Yes, thank you.

So, um, but I think that the sort of resistance of Miranda and the sort of isolation of Miranda that she, that she kind of thought was her ethos and then eventually discovered was not. Right. I kind of connected to that. Okay. Wow. Wouldn't have seen that coming.

Yeah. Um, uh, uh, yeah, but I, I, but then I also connect with Charlotte, uh, on things and, and Carrie and Samantha. What, really? Well, I mean, I don't know, but I think that they're all, that's adorable. I think they're all, uh, they're all, you, you can find entry points with all of them. Definitely. For sure. For sure, for sure. And that, and, and over time, some people tell me like, well, when I first started, I was a carry. Uh-huh. And then I kind of, you kind of,

and I went through my Charlotte phase and now I'm divorced and I'm in my Samantha face and I'm like, that's cool, it's all good, you know what I mean? Yeah. And I mean, I would have always said and I think this is still true.

I have to guess I have to rethink it but I'm like kind of Charlotte, kind of Carrie. You know what I mean? That's really interesting. It's so interesting just to hear kind of where you were when you were shooting the show

and how different you are from. I mean, in some ways so different also I've adopted children. So, you know, some big similarities but I did it on camera first, which is weird. I know, weird, right? But I think Michael Patrick knew that I had that in my mind as a possibility. You know what I'm saying?

I would have to ask him. I don't know what came first, like us talking about it or, you know what I mean? I don't know. It's all very interesting. That's great. I know, but it's fun. But you're just so sweet that you, I had no idea that you had really rewatched three times. You're like way ahead of me.

Oh, yeah. And because you had me watched this episode, now, like I said this morning, I was watching. I kept watching a few episodes. It's just hard to not continue watching. Which is so nice. I feel that way about Parks and Rec. Oh, thank you. Okay, Adam, you're incredible.

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