Are You A Charlotte? - Is Slut a Bad Word? with Not Skinny Not Fat Amanda Hirsch... (S3 E6 "Are We Sluts?")

Episode Date: November 24, 2025

She's well known for hosting the podcast Not Skinny Not Fat, and now it's Amanda Hirsch's turn to analyze everything Sex and the City. Amanda's hot take: she loves baby Aiden but finds him annoying.  The popular podcast host shares with Kristin why Miranda's loose behavior with her work phone is so risky. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to starring Desi Arnaz and Wilmer Valderrama on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, I'm Kristen Davis, and I want to know, are you a Charlotte? Hi, hi, everyone. Welcome to Are You a Charlotte? Today, we have the amazing Amanda Hirsch. She is the founder, creator, and host of Not Skinny, but Not Fat, which is his whole brand. And she is here today to rewatch, Are We Sluts? Which aired July 16th in the year 2000. And it was directed by Nicole Holofsner, written by Cindy Shupak.

I like that intro because I feel like you. personally have been on the forefront of kind of navigating this new world that we live in with what appears to be ease. So I would love just a, just a minute, you know, kind of description. Like, how did you build this whole brand? Like, you were so smart to start when you did. I was smart, I guess, but I think it was just out of pure. And this is, like, advice that I give people is, like, my passion was so there. That when I started, it wasn't even like, let me build this brand. You know, it was like, if this is a hobby, if this is that I do this after work to fill my soul, then that's what it is.

If this gets me an opportunity or a cool connection or I always thought like something good can come of this and I just kept going and going. And this was like before TikTok where you could like, I know, how old do I sound that it's like before TikTok? Oh, I'm way older than you. So, you know, roll with it. I mean, I feel you. You've been doing, by the way, you've been doing so good content-wise. You deserve all the props. I feel like you've been-

You've been killing it. I try, but it's not easy, right? It's not easy because for me, obviously, you remember what it used to be like. I mean, you started not seeing that fat in 2016, right? Is that right? Yeah. So, I mean, that was, it doesn't seem like that long ago, but in some ways we're just moving so quickly now in terms of the changing.

And for me, I've been. In, you know, Sex and City, we started in 1998, which is insane, right? Insane. And obviously, I was acting before that. And so just the amount of change that's happened and me trying to just force myself to be in the present, it's hard sometimes, you know? It's like, huh? But on the other hand, I also feel like it's fun.

Yeah. Like, you get into it. I can tell that you, because I think, like, whether or not somebody is helping you or forcing you or whatever it is like you can tell when it's like okay but she gets it like she's in it so you deserves the props because like even for me when i have to like lip sync the thing oh i love to lip sync i mean that's the funny thing yeah you have to find what you're comfortable with and i definitely have people helping me and i love them very much and in the beginning they would come you know with a list of ideas and i'd just be like no no oh no like you know so stressed by it all

but once I looked at it kind of almost like an acting you know like a scene you know I have to look at it like that and then it can be fun and like the lip syncing somehow frees me up whereas some of the other things I'm just like so self-conscious you know well maybe it's the actor in you yeah you know maybe it's like the let me get my lines yep let me be like on on point and on time yep um but back to your question it was just a passion that's a That I'm so happy that it's where it's at today. But I was so naive and, like, go with the flow and believing that, like, if you keep doing something that you love, something good will come of it. Yeah. So it's, it was just like this really natural progression that I'm just so happy about. But it, you know, when it started, like, I think about even, you know, your show, it's like what I started by doing, was kind of watching shows and talking about that. Right.

I was going to ask you what the kernel in the beginning was. Like, was it just kind of like your love for what you were watching in pop culture? Yeah. It was like, let's talk about, you know, what's going on in pop culture, but also I would like watch a show with people. So I would like film the screen, talk about it. Wow. That's cool.

And kind of that was not to give myself too much credit, but nobody really was filming their ugly TV screen at the time and then like flipping the camera. Yeah. Because it was like an old, you know, it wasn't trying to look pretty. It was just like filming a scene,

talking about it. And people really, as you know, because even think about rewatch podcast. Yes. People love diving deeper, talking, even if they've watched the show a million times, even if you're late to it,

because there are shows that I'm not like timely about. It's like, oh, let's watch a show that everybody watched five years ago. But it really builds. like this community of people that like love to like dig in you know yeah and I feel like it's more people than not that like you know all these after shows and like I said recap pods and like let's talk about it and let's go back to it and let's so there's really like um appetite for that yeah so uh so it so it grew from there amazing and it keeps some kind of like changing and

evolving but my love for like my podcast and talking to to people like you is really, you know, what I love because it's just so fascinating to me. You know, loving it for so many years and then getting to talk to the people that are doing it, that are in it, that lived it. Yeah, it's fun. So it all comes together. I think it's really fun too. And I do love like it's a kind of a really interesting, unexpected thing that you can now rewatch.

I mean, for me, I wanted to rewatch our show partly because I felt like all these other people were. you know, who don't have anything to do with the show. And of course, that's flattering that they even want to, right? But then I thought, well, wouldn't it be amazing for us to be able to kind of go back in time and talk about what it was like? Because back in the day, we didn't really, I feel like for us, we felt like we shouldn't talk about the reality of what it was like. We just wanted it to live in a fantasy on the screen, right?

And so, like, if people would say, you know, oh, isn't it fun? Isn't it fun? We just say yes when in fact we're just deliriously exhausted and we've worked all night and you know what I'm saying? But people, we felt like we didn't want to necessarily like that we would seem like we were complaining if we talked about the realities of it. But I feel like now people are so much more educated about what goes into making shows and films and, you know, they're interested in the details, which I think is really cool. We're interested, but okay, so here's my thing. I feel like sometimes we're too interested. You know what I mean?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because, like, even now, like, I love, like, what you're talking about, personally, like the inside baseball and breaking the fourth wall and, like, all of it. Like, give it to all to me. Like, I care about every last detail. But I feel like there's something to be said about, like, exactly, like, your time of filming it, how mysterious, how chic that we didn't know fucking everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And now it's, like, every actor that has a fucking, kissing scene needs to talk about the intimacy coordinator and we hear about if you like the intimate if you use it if you didn't use it and then oh you know what I hate the most when like let us live in the fantasy that these actors are in love and like I don't care that you have a family and like a husband well that's a good point that is a really good point and then they go in these press tours like actors that in the movie are like oh my god they're in love like you want to believe the sex scene you want to live it and then they're in a fucking interview being like like, you know, it was so technical.

That's what they love to say. It was all so technical. You know, it's not anything like you think it is. You know, it's... And I'm like, I know, are we losing something? Are we losing something that is an integral part of the audience experience by discussing it? Yeah.

And so there is that. I've thought about this. As you can tell, I've thought about it. Yeah. There is that that that I don't love. And another thing that I don't love, and I wonder how it was like when you were filming is like the paparazzi. Yeah. I think it's terrible.

That we're seeing every guest star, you know. You're seeing what they're wearing. You're seeing what they're wearing. Do they look mad? Are they mad in the scene? You know what I'm saying? You're seeing so many elements. Kissing scenes that maybe we're not supposed to see.

Yep. So. Yep. No, it's out of control. It's out of control. It's out of control. It's fully out of control. It was out of control for us for a really long time.

But back when we were doing the original show, they were there, you know, all day long with us. But we didn't have social media. So it was which picture did the magazine buy, right? So you might see one picture. And maybe sometimes you'd see a picture that would end up like in a tabloid. And we would often be rehearsing our lines, you know, with our script in our hand. but maybe they would crop the script out so it looked like we were arguing with each other

when in fact you're just trying to remember your line right and then they would read into it like Kristen's mad no no whatever nonsense you know what I'm saying in like the lower the lower tabloids right but you wouldn't see the whole day right you know what I wouldn't circulate

like it wouldn't be shared a gazillion times to be one magazine you saw it or you didn't right right right right right now it's the whole you're just papered I mean I also feel like it makes you, for us, the thing that was hard, we needed to be out on the streets, right? That's part of our whole, you know, brand and reason, whatever, I don't know how to put it. It's like integral to the fabric of our being, of our show. And yet we knew if we were out there, everything was going to be documented.

So then it affected kind of like what scenes were inside versus what scenes were outside. And then sometimes we would do pretend scenes to throw people off. it just became a whole other animal. Oh, wow. So do you think everyone's dealing with this? Like, everyone who's filming now on the streets needs to think about it? Depends on how much experience they have with it, right? Because I think for us, we did have this really long history of the Papps being with us,

where we know their names and they eat at our craft services, which is, you know, weird, but that's how it was, right? Like, they were just part in a weird way. Like, we need their cooperation, right? Because, like, if they're in the shot, obviously that that's not a good take. So we had to say, like, please, you know, can you guys back up? Like, we need their help. And so we kind of had to deal with it in a certain way.

But I don't know that everyone is used to that, right? So I don't know that, for instance, their writers aren't necessarily thinking about, oh, okay, now blow by blow, this is going to be documented and circulated, as you said. Right. Do we want Anne Hathaway to be falling down the stairs publicly or whatever? or should we put that scene inside? You know what I'm saying, right? We were both thinking of Devil We're as Prada too. Definitely, definitely.

And I mean, we know them. You know, that's our costume designer and David Frankel is one of our directors. But they hadn't been out there in a while, so I don't know if they were really aware of what they were walking into. You know what I mean? They might have been.

I don't know. It's interesting because I think on some level, I think that studios feel like it's helpful. You know? Like getting it promoted and like, yeah, exposure. Yeah, but like devil wear it's product too. I mean, I get if you're doing something, but I mean, we're going to be there. You know, like I'm not sure you need it.

I know. And I also feel like so much fun is in the outfits and the interactions and you don't necessarily want to know stuff. You know, I don't. I don't want to know. I think a lot of people feel like that. Yeah. So I don't know like how it can be avoided. But, yeah, some things were lost in this craziness.

And some stuff is too much. But I do love, like, knowing kind of what happened. I feel like I wonder if with you, this is me like flipping the script. It's okay. Go for it. I expected it. But like, if also the time away from the show and being able to rewatch it, because in it makes sense, you're working, you're this, you're that.

You're not able to see it from the outside. But like, are you able to see from the outside? I'd now like, damn, that was like iconic. Like, that is a once-in-a-kind of generation. I mean, yes, definitely. I hate that word so much because I feel like people use it so much now. I know, but like, but you text in the city, Diane Keating, when I use that word for her, rest in peace, I was like, she is an icon, you know? Like, yes, yes.

No, that's an appropriate usage. Yeah. Yeah, there are people and things that, like, are deserving, but I agree with you on that, too. It is overused in general. It is. And I think part of the reason that I don't like that word so much is because even at the time, people would use it to our faces. And we'd just be like, ah, ah, you know what I'm saying? Like during the original show. And we just be like, we're too young and new to use that word. Also, I think because we were in it, right? So like on the one hand, I think on a certain level, like we knew from the response, right, that things were powerful. But until you have some time and some space, to look back. It's really hard to take it in, I think. So I think for me, like the joy, part of the joy is connecting with people like

yourselves and, you know, fans and unlikely fans and then also people from our show and being able to talk about what it means today, which if you had told me in 1998 that we would be doing this, I never would have believed you, you know, in a million hundred years. And that's the power of the writing, I think, you know, and the power of what the show was. the idea of the show being about four, you know, powerful women who are all different, but trying to navigate, you know, relationships and talking openly about it. Obviously, a great idea, Darren Starr had and Candace Bushnell.

But, like, the fact that it hasn't been really replicated, I mean, yes, there are definitely shows similar, right? Like, now we have, I love L.A. or I don't know if we really think that's similar, but you know what I'm saying? Like, girls, you know. insecure. I mean, I could keep going. And I love all of those shows. And I think all of those shows have their own kind of identity and DNA, you know, but they're, at least their women's perspectives, which I love so much. You know, that's a show that I want to watch all those shows because I love a woman's perspective. But when we did it, the fact that we weren't a soap opera, you know,

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I know. I know. When I look back on it, That part really amazes me. It's so short. Like, I, I'm interviewing, like, somebody from a reality show today. And every episode is an hour, okay? Wow.

An hour of reality TV and episode, okay? And then I got my homework for this, which I obsessed. And, and it was a... I know. I know. I feel the same when I watch it. I was, like, 23 minutes. Yeah.

That's it. And so much story, right? And so much story, like, no wonder people are binging it now because it's freaking bingeable. I agree. I agree. I agree. I'm so proud of it. You know, when I look back, I mean, I am able to be much more objective about it. I think at the time, because the thing, the reality for us filming it was that it's 22, 23 minutes. But to film it was very hard because we had to do all the little scenes that would connect by the voice.

over to fit, right? So it was like the A, storyline, B storyline, C storyline, D storyline, that we're all part of the theme, especially in third season where we're watching now, everything's like really gelled together. Right. So it's like filming an hour long show, but we don't have the time for an hour long show, especially in the beginning. And then the scenes are really short, right?

Because she's connecting them through her voiceover. So people, when people would be like, oh, it's so fun and you're on a sitcom and we'd be like, well, we're not really on a sitcom. We're on a single camera show that's like doing a every week. You know, like a, it was, it was, that is what made it, um, challenging to film it, but it's also what made it great to watch it. Yeah, now that you're saying that, I'm like, right, it's like, in the episode, even that we watched, it's like telling stories, the same theme, similar theme, but like, we get to see you, Carrie, Samantha and Miranda all going through something all in 23 minutes.

I know. It is amazing to think about it. And again, I just go back to our writers and how incredibly economical and smart they were. And also the thing that sometimes surprises me because what I remember is the dialogue and having to really, you know, the dialogue they wanted us to be like fast, fast, fast. You know, like an old school kind of almost like Carol Lombard or I don't know how to put it, but like quick. quick, quick, quick, right? And so if we had a, we didn't have one in this, in this episode, but like if we had a long walk and talk with all of us, it was like very challenging, you know, because we had to be on it. We had to be walking and talking in those heels and everything had

to be fast. And then I would have thought when I'm watching it, I'm surprised by how many moments of silence there are. But I think that's- Wow, you're really, like you're watching it from like so many different. For sure, for sure. Well, I mean, that's partly why actors don't like to watch themselves, right? It's like we dissect and, you know, critique everything, right? But it's nice from this perspective of time, right? Because I obviously cannot change my performance now. Do you know what I mean? Not that you ever can, but you know what I'm saying? Like, it gives you a freedom to just look at it, like honestly, you know, in terms of all of the things that are working. And every once in a while, I think to myself, like, I could have been better

in that scene. But whatever, it's just that's how actors are. You know what I'm saying? But I think it's like the reason that people, I think there's a couple reasons that people still love the show and the writing and the subject matter, I think is kind of like forever interesting relationships, obviously. But then I think the reason that people feel so connected to the characters are these moments of silence. Because I wish I noticed that. Now I'm like, do you know it? The next time you see the show, you'll think about it. You'll think about it. Like for instance, Samantha's storyline. I had totally forgotten about this one, which is part of also why it's interesting for me to

look back at the show. There's some things I have no memory of. I remember every moment of my storyline, which we'll get to. And it's not one of my favorites. It's my probably possibly least favorite. But that's okay. It wasn't as bad when I look back

at it as how I had remembered it, you know? Of course, because I had to live it at the time. You know what I'm saying? I had this dude shouting, shouting obscenities in my face, but we'll get to that. But the thing about Samantha's storyline that I loved, I had completely forgotten why she moved from the Upper East Side

to the meatpacking district. I had not remembered that she had let one of her gentlemen callers in late at night and a criminal had followed him and, like, robbed and beat a woman in her, like an older woman in her building. I had completely forgotten this. And it was kind of sad, I thought. But, and also sad that they all judge her in the way her, her neighbors are so judgy. I had totally forgotten this.

And it's interesting because I feel like she has her Samantha bluster, you know, but at the same time, you can see the hurt in her face, you know, in those quiet moments in the elevator. And yeah, where she's like self-conscious. Yeah. And it's interesting because I don't, the thing that I remember mostly about Samantha is the freedom, you know, like such a powerful character. and she is so free, but at the same time, she's still human. And those moments are kind of cutting, you know, like to see her face and then see her try to kind of put her cover back on, you know, like, you know, how dare they judge me? But at the same time, you can tell it hurts.

Yeah. That's so true. But I feel like that's why people, you know, connected with Samantha so much because she is so, like, multi-layered. Like, it's not just, like, oh, I, like, sleep with everyone and I don't care. You know, she has those moments of, like, feeling. Yeah. And feeling, like, she didn't care to, like, make out in front of the elevator guy, you know, every day of the week.

Yeah, that montage is pretty hysterical. I know. I know. I died over the elevator guy. Yeah. But, yeah, the minute that she has everyone in the building judging her. Yeah. She wants out.

Nobody's kicking her out. she doesn't she doesn't want to feel judged it doesn't feel good for for anyone no of course it doesn't feel good for anyone for sure and i like that and i had totally forgotten about it i had also completely forgotten about the miranda storyline with steve where they discuss how many people they've had sex with and i also forgot about clemedia i forgot all about this stuff so and i think about steve that i did remember that you know your show has so many lines that are now i can never say iconic again Sorry, sorry, sorry, no, you're right. You're right. I'm with you. So many lines that are like top, you know, like ones that you will remember forever. They're in the, go in the history books. And I have to say for me personally, and I wonder if for other people, they're like, what?

I'm a bartender and I'm cute. Oh my God. Yes. So good. So good. I feel like the minute, because like you, I kind of forgot the clematia storyline and everything, but the minute Steve said like. what? I'm a bartender and I'm cute. I'm like, I was brought back. I was brought back.

And I was like, that's like, I mean, top, top 20. Like one of the lines that that you remember. And also like he's so interesting. Steve is such an interesting character. And David does obviously just incredibly brilliant job in terms of like the way that he is within what they've written. You know, he has so many, so many emotions play on. his face at so many different... By the way, I didn't remember if he, like, had sex with a lot of people or not. Me neither. And it could have went each way for me. Like, if he would have said, you're... I'm a virgin.

You're the first person I've left with. I would have been like, Steve, you know, so... I thought he was going to say four. I really did. I really did. So exactly. That's where I was. I was like, wait, what?

Steve? Steve? I know. And then so, and then when he does that line, you know, It all kind of comes together. It was really good. It was really good. But I'm with you.

I was like, wait, like he's, you know, he's like one of those sweet, loyal puppies that always has a girlfriend. Like, it's going to be a low number and Miranda's going to feel slutty, right? Right. Because that's the name of the episode. But, yeah, that was surprising when he had a, like the kids say today, high body count. Totally a high body count for Steve. Wow.

Yes. And for Miranda. So it kind of works out because for me, when I watch that whole. episode. First of all, I totally forgotten about the chlamydia. I felt so bad for Miranda. You know, it's like such a kind of a nightmare thing for a woman that you go to the gynecologist and all of a sudden, they're like, oh, yes, and you have a sexually transmitted disease. And I, you know, how horrible. And she's been in this relationship with Steve for a while. And then she has to call everybody, which is, of course, beyond mortifying. And I'd forgotten that it's David

Lansberry's character, who gave it to her. who's so cranky. That's David Lansbury. Yes. Remember the angry guy? Like he was the shouting guy? Oh, yes. And she calls him and he's like, what?

Like he's really mad. And she is Miranda. It's so interesting to see Miranda get like shaken by somebody. She stands up. Do you remember she's on the phone? She's like rolling the calls of all the guys. And, you know, he's like, what? You know, so mean right away.

And she stands up because she has like a physical memory of him just yelling at her. I don't know if you remember the episode. I think it was last season, season two. And she kind of turns into like a, she's like waiting on him, like a, like a trad wife or something. Do you know what I mean?

Like she's like just trying to keep him calm because he's just shouts and everybody. It's super interesting. So it's really so sad and also kind of hysterical that he's the one who gave her chlamydia and that he's like, yeah, I had it. You know, he doesn't even, didn't call her like completely inconsiderate.

It makes Steve like. It made me laugh that she called him from her law firm office phone to his like whatever he does. Yeah, I think he's also a lawyer or he's a finance. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He looks financing. He looks finance, Disney. I feel like those are the moments because you were saying before, like the show is so timeless in a lot of ways, you know, like in the way that like even this episode. Like, I don't think there's anything about it that really couldn't apply to.

today. Such a good point. Yeah. With like wanting to sleep with somebody, them waiting, you being all of that, feeling like a slut. STDs haven't gone away. You know, the whole thing. Yeah. So, but like the, but then you're like office phone and office phone would never happen today. That's a good point. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a good point. And also just the phones in general. Like when Samantha's on that old fashioned phone, what on her is? I know. It's a funny. I just actually posted the other day, I had this, like, flashback that, like, I used to call my mom's office and ask for her as a kid, you know? Yeah. And, like, how embarrassing for my mom that all day were three girls, like, I'm calling

my other sister, and we'd call for anything. Like, we wouldn't, like, filter the calls. And everyone was like, oh, my God, yes. Like, we used to call our parents' office, you know? And if it couldn't get to them directly or like a secretary was it whatever it was it was like hi and it was it's just a different time and I feel like now even if you have an office phone you're not making personal calls off that phone no definitely not making STD related calls off that definitely definitely I just had a moment that I thought of and just like that when I'm trying to sell the painting to Sam Smith and rock calls over something really minor and I'm like I'm like I I'm trying to celebrate into Sam Smith.

And I'm like, why are you calling me? Like, I thought someone died. You know, I'm in a panic because they're like, Charlotte, you know, Rock's still on the call. And it was very much a throwback to how it used to be, which is interesting to think about because now we would just text, right? Now we would just text. Yep.

And you would probably text about the clemen. Yeah, you for sure would text about the chlamydia. Because you'd be too embarrassed to call. I know. I wonder. Listen, I'm not in the dating world. So I'm, I probably don't have. the, you know, the knowledge, but like, do people do that?

Like, they get an STD and they go through their Rolodex. Yeah, I don't know. Do they go through their Rolodex or their, like, app? Do you know what I'm saying? Right. Who did I swipe left side or who did I? Listen, it is, you know, there is a stigma around it, but it is embarrassing. And what I loved about Miranda in this and just, like, shows you about Miranda.

Like, she was not embarrassed to tell Steve. She was so. cool about it. Like, if you need to watch an instructional video and how to, like, handle telling a partner, like, slap on this episode. Yeah, yeah. Because the way she tells Steve and, like, is so cool. I agree.

Makes it a non-issue. And then it's like, take care. Like, you go test it out. Make sure you're okay. Like, I was like, I would have sex with her with the chlamydia in that moment. Because she was, like, so freaking cool about it. I agree. And he's so.

childish about it. It's one of those moments where she has to be the mom, which is interesting because he's like, now, now, I don't want to go. And she's like, no, you have to go. She's like, you know, talking to a child. Like, you have to go. And he's like, but why? You already have it. And he says, because then you'll just give it back to me. Like she has to explain, you know, beat by beat. But I also, I mean, it's interesting. It's hard not to think about where we know those characters go, right? Because obviously so much happens with Stephen Miranda

as the years go on and it's all so good like you know the movie with the Brooklyn Bridge pops in my head like so many different things pop in my head when I'm watching them

and I think it's the through line of their characters is so it holds so true you know even with all the different situations they find themselves in as the years go along

and I really am impressed with the writers. I mean, I say this a lot, but it is interesting to think about like how hard it would be to stay, you know, completely centered

in who those characters are and what they've been through for all these years. Yeah, like as actors, right? Yeah. Yeah. Right. How do you do that?

How do you like transform back into... I mean, you click in as an actor. You just click back in. You know what I'm saying? Like, there's like a muscle memory type of a situation that comes over you. But I think that the reason that we can click back in is because the writers have held the truth and written it honestly to where you don't have to think like, wait, is this, what I do this? Would I not do this? Like, like, certainly for Harry and Charlotte, you know, it's I would never even, it just lives.

It has like its own life. You know what I mean? The only person that I don't know about that, that I, that didn't, that, like, I feel like even today seeing him in that episode, Aiden. Oh, no. I'm sorry. Tell me. Tell me your thoughts. I'm sorry.

Can I? Yes. Can I tell you my thoughts? Of course. That's why we're here. Okay. Okay. I don't know.

It's like I missed that Aiden and I miss that Nock and it just like wasn't the same Aiden and just like that. Oh, really? Do you feel that? I do, but like, here are two options. Like, obviously, like, I witness my mom getting older, like, people get older. They change. Their personalities can change. They can become more, you know, of, like, certain qualities in them can become exacerbated.

Like, that thing has to be the same guy. Right. But, like, damn, young Aiden. Young Aiden, dreamy. Like, dreamy, the nook, the, like, romantic. romantic, the peat, like it all worked, you know, like it was true, it all worked. And in this episode, by the way, in this episode, he was a little annoying, like young Aiden. A decade ago, I was on the trail of one of the country's most elusive serial killers.

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We want you to live better. So check out the mailroom on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your favorite shows. So let me ask you this. Do you feel, because obviously I'm watching it, I don't remember a lot of it. Like when I see John Corbett's little baby face, I mean, it really, it, it was such a baby. Such a baby and like so incredibly adorable. And it just kind of brings home to me, like the length that we've all been working together and like so much like a flood of emotion. You know, when I see the little baby face and I love it so much.

And I'm trying to get him to come on the pod and I haven't succeeded yet. But fingers crossed because we've got to talk about all this stuff. But I hate, right? But I feel, I feel unsure because I don't feel like I've got an objectivity on and just like that's Aden, right? Because we're still kind of, I'm not, haven't processed it. You haven't processed it. You know? But I know what you're saying.

And let me ask you the question that comes to my mind a couple of things. because when I was watching this particular Aden episode, I was thinking that there's a like a controlling element of him. Do you know what I'm saying? Kind of underneath. That does kind of remain. Right. Throughout.

Right. No, I'm saying he was annoying in this episode. I was like, okay, love the nook, love the like vibes. Yeah. But did not love. You're right. Oh, my God. This goes deep.

Right? This goes deep. But we didn't. think this back in the day, did we? I don't think we thought this. No, we thought it was like big, bad, Aiden Good. Right.

How did she do this to like good Aiden? Right. And then there was that episode of him being super annoying with like the construction that got us like a little annoyed. Yes, yes. But not like annoyed enough where we would like turn on him. Right. I think we just turned on him in and just like that.

Right. It didn't happen in Texan City. Just like that, we started to like. like ask questions, but no, here he was like, excuse me, sir, why is it your decision by yourself? Like, when you're going to penetrate me? Interesting, right? The bath. If he didn't get in that bath, I know. Let me tell you. If, because again, we talked about not remembering, right? So I'm watching like not remembering. Did he get in the bath? Or does he leave her there like a loser in the bath? Like, by the way, Carrie does.

she has these moments where she's, you know, she goes with the flow. You know, she gives in to whatever the man wants a little too much. Well, I think because she doubts herself. My reading of that was that because of the big situation, she inherently has a question of like, maybe I really do need to just do something different. Right? Like, because Big went so badly, you know, and there hasn't really been anybody like great since then or whatever, right, that I can remember, at least.

So probably not. You know what I'm saying? Like there's John Bon Jovi or whatever. Like weird things have happened since big, you know? And so then I think just as a woman, you start to think like, well, maybe I should just do something totally different. Right. Maybe I should get in the bath by myself and he's like at the door.

Right. But another thing that annoyed me that he said, because he got in the bath, so that's good. Right. But another thing that, as again, a woman, I don't know how I would feel. And I wonder how, like, women that are single and, like, are in the mix right now would feel. But when he said to her, like, the next time I have sex, I want to have sex with somebody that I care about.

I know. So then you're like, so then you're deducing, like, okay, then you don't care about me. Well, it was weird. Yeah. Yeah. And then he follows up with. And I think I can get to caring about you. I know.

it was strange. I know it was strange. By the way, I don't know, like, Carrie doesn't have an ego, but I would literally die. I'd be like, what do you mean? You're not in love with me after a week? You know what I mean? I do. I do know what you mean. I think that, I mean, I'm single. I wouldn't really describe myself as in the mix, but I am single, right? So certainly as a woman when I was watching it, I also didn't remember any of this, right? So I was unclear on what was actually going to happen. You know, I just remember that there was like a series of fantastic outfits that she wears, do you know what I mean? Like the skirt that's like slit, you know, like her whole like it showed like that was hot by the way. That was a hot makeout scene.

They give it to like carry like the makeouts because so many times I like I told you I get into things. So I'll watch shows and I'll really look at the kissing. Yeah. And I'm a purve. No. But and I'll be like I want to see the chemistry like. I want to believe that it's hot. So first of all,

their kissing chemistry is there. And then, yeah, his hand goes up. Yeah. That slitted, yes. Bejeweled skirt or whatever. Yes.

It's so beautiful. And it really goes up in there. And it looks super natural. I know it. So natural. Their chemistry is perfect and great, which is kind of amazing because also the big chemistry

is obviously amazing. Right. So I do think that that is, you know, Sarah Jessica just being so fucking good. Yeah. Like when I look back,

I mean, I tell you I'm amazed at literally all of us, but like they're just so good. My co-stars, my people, they're so good. It is so rewarding to watch. And I think also because you're in it,

right? And we're just all trying to, you know, like we'll get through the hours and working until sunrise and, you know, like trying to figure out what we're going to wear

to the things. And you know what I'm saying? There's so much going on, right? that you don't get to really appreciate each other's work in a way so it's really nice to see and I mean John Corbett

incredibly good like so good because the fact that he can say these things because I also was like wait what you're going to care about her like huh I really think I can care about you one day

I know I know I was also thrown off and I felt like for her and I don't know if this is me projecting it definitely could be. I feel like for her, you know, when the chemistry is so good, right? You kind of can't, you know, really think that straight. You know what I'm saying? And I feel, because she's so confused.

Like when he's not there, she's like, wait a minute. What am I doing? What is happening? What is actually happening, right? Which I definitely have felt so many times myself too. Like when you're not in the presence of the person and you're in your intellectual mind, you're like, this does not make sense. Why am I doing this?

Right? But then when you're there, because the chemistry is there, you're just like, yes, I want to do this, whatever it is. It's going to work out because I think the vibe, you know, is so powerful. But then he ruins the vibe. It's true. But then he like cuts the vibe every time because of this new rule. He does.

He does. But I think she is so not used to that that she doesn't even really know what to do. And I feel like in some ways, and if you think about Big, Big had all the power, right? And so it was like her trying all the time to kind of. express herself and connect and get more out of him, you know, that continual thing that you get into sometimes with men, which I hope to God this is changing, but I don't know if it is, where you're just trying to, you know, like, how do I get them to talk about their feelings? It's so impossible.

And then here's Aidan, who seems, you know, to be so much more transparent, right? But then is also kind of withholding in a different way. So I feel like that must be something that Carrie is. drawn to i wonder if like you do a well you're doing like a rewatch rewatch but if yeah if we would see aiden in kind of a different lens from the get and see all these things in him that maybe come out a little bit more later when he's older and has right right everything but we do know that there are moments where he gets really jelly where he like forces his way into moving in together where he, you know, can't look past the big stuff, which makes sense.

Yes. But it was really nice to see baby John. And the way he is, like, just as an actor, so good at, like, those moments of the insane chemistry. And the moments of just, like, telling her the most, like, annoying, like, devastating thing in the moment. But in this, like, cute way. Yeah. Of, like, I'm going to go home. I know. I know. I know it's so strange. Yeah. It's interesting.

I have an early morning. Like the way he says it is just so, you know, it's not like an whole guy who's like, can't got to go waking up. But just the way he says it is like so disappointing. And you're like, but why, you know? Totally. And then it begs the question, like, which is the whole episode of, and then Carrie asks herself, wait, why was I thinking that we needed to have sex after less than a week and a half. Like she puts like the time on it. Which I feel like that and I haven't really done the apps but I know a bunch of people who have and luckily know a bunch of younger people and I ask them questions like what

is the norm now. Like I don't know what the norm is and someone someone said to me a guy was telling me about this this girl that he really liked and he'd known her like he was not an app situation. He'd been introduced by I think his uncle that. She wanted to have three dinner dates. And he was like, what? Like, that was so much. He was like, wow, you're really vetting this.

Oh, my God. But the thing is, like, are we talking about this? Or are we just letting like, because, like, with the Carrie and Eden thing, it's like, it's hot. It's heavy. It's there. Just do it. Like, who cares, like, what the thing is that you're doing? I don't know.

to me, it feels like, why are we putting so much pressure on, like, that act? You know what I mean? I do know what you mean. Like, is there a time? Because I know I follow some, like, you know, influencers do some dating advice and I'll see girls asking them questions. Like, when or how. And I just wonder, like, can things that just be, like, based on the vibe and the chemistry?

I agree 100%. 100%. But I also feel these are questions. that we'll never go away. Exactly, which is why it's so good. But the three dinner dates kills me. Like, what if after three dinner dates, you see that, like, you know, he's a turnoff

and he, like, has boogers all the time. I don't know. Then you're still having the sex because it's three dates. No, but apparently what happened in this particular situation was that it was, I think, also really different for him. And I think sometimes there's something to be said. Let's say, like, if you look at Carrie, right, who's obviously like possibly just the hottest person, you know, on the planet, probably she gets what she wants all the time, meaning in terms of the initial beginning of relationships, right?

Not obviously, ultimately, as we know from big, but like this guy that I'm talking about, I just think he's used to getting what he wants is my main point. So I think the fact that this woman who was a little older than him and they didn't meet on the app, right? Like it was a much more kind of old-fashioned type situation. the fact that she actually held herself back, I think made him kind of perk up and think like, oh, this is different. That may happen. That's what is so interesting.

Like, it's, I feel like what I'm saying about following your kind of instinct and if the chemistry is there and if it's all happening, then why not? Why, like, stop yourself if that's what you want? But then there also is this other element of, we do know that playing games kind of works. Unfortunately, yes.

Like it kind of, but yes. It kind of works to be like a little hard to get, but not whatever that is. And it kind of works to like hold off and make them want it more than give it up. But oh my God, that is so confusing all of it. Like how do you, how do you compute it all together? Maybe that's what Aiden's doing. But then you can say maybe there is the person for you that you don't have to play the games with.

And that's like, you're a person. Yes. That's what I want to believe. I want to believe it too, Amanda. Let's go with that. I hate the games. I've never been good at the games. The games in my mind are just that.

Yeah. So, like, maybe there's, like, the person for you that you can just be you. Yes. They'll be them. Yes. Like, you'll give off. And let it be organic. And let it be organic and you don't have to pretend and they don't have to pretend.

And that's what I want to believe. I like it. I like it. Let's go with it. I mean, I wonder, like, when I was watching Aden, I don't know if we're going to find out more about him. I feel like for a long time, we don't really, right? Like, we just know how he is with Carrie. It's coming where we find out that they're friends, Steve and Aiden. And then they open the bar. Yep. Which is all really interesting. And I'd also forgotten all of that. But it kind of, I like it and I want to know more. Like, I kind of want to know more about the men now. You know what I'm saying? You know, when you talk about the show, first of all, I need to rewatch it, too. But, and we have those lines, like the Steve one, there's, like, a line that's so random, but to me it applies to, like, I think I've said it, like, five times in the last month. Wow.

And I say it often. And I feel like other people could get this. So there's the episode where, and this is just like a random throwback, there's an episode where, okay, so Big starts dating. what was his wife's name? Natasha. Right. Starts, I think, wait, was she the model that he was in love with? No.

No? Yeah. No, the model, there was a model that he was in love with where he was calling Carrie about her. Oh, no. Do you remember this? There was a model that he loved. No. And he was calling Carrie about it.

He would be like, Carrie, call Carrie like in the middle of the night. He's like, the problem is, I can't reach her. She can reach me. but I can't reach her. Oh. No, no. Don't you remember? And then he goes to the cabin with Eden.

Oh, you're not there yet. No, I'm not there yet. Oh, my God. This is super interesting. I'm so jealous of whoever does this recap with you because that the cabin episode. Oh, so good. So good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

When you get to the cabin episode. Yeah, we'll call you back, Amanda. Yeah, call me back on it. Okay. Call me back with the cabin episode and we'll get there. I remember the cabin episode being like, like, beyond good. All right. We're having so much.

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