Are You A Charlotte? - It’s a Baguette with Timothy Gibbs... (S3 E17 "What Goes Around Comes Around")

Episode Date: March 2, 2026

She was robbed! Her Manolos were stolen which led us to the hot detective! Timothy Gibb played the hunky detective who dates Miranda!  And, in a true investigative report we learn about a deleted scene with sex and vomit.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hi, I'm Kristen Davis, and I want to know, are you a Charlotte? Hi, everybody. Welcome to Are You a Charlotte? Today, we are having a really interesting conversation with Timothy Gibbs, and he played the detective who comes when Carrie gets robbed on the street in episode 317, What Goes Around Comes Around, which was written by Darren Starr, directed by Alan Coulter, and he's a fascinating guy. So please enjoy this conversation with Timothy Gibbs.

How's it going? Oh, it's going great. How about you? Good. It's pretty good. It's pretty good. We're in L.A. And it seemed like the sky was going to fall last night, but it didn't.

So we're okay. I've been looking at it on the news. I'm over here in South Carolina. What? Where? I'm just outside of Charleston. I love Charleston. I'm from Columbia.

Oh, really? Yeah. Do you know a little town called Ellery? Yeah. I mean, not well, but yes. That's where we have our store and we have a couple of buildings. here on this little street with the one stoplight. Oh my gosh. How adorable. Yeah, it's pretty great. That's so sweet. Charleston is one of the absolute best cities. So you can just like

zip over to Charleston. Yeah, we love it. We're there a lot. And I mean, that's where you go for for culture or anything because we're really, this little community, it's tiny. I think we have, now we're up to about 660 residents. Oh my gosh. How amazing. Yeah, it's pretty cool. And it's an hour. It's an hour from Columbia, and it's an hour from Charleston. I know my kids love Charleston, and they love the beach so much. And when we go to see Grandma in Columbia, they're like, are we going to the beach? We have to go to the beach. And sometimes we do.

Sometimes we don't. How did you get from South Carolina to Hollywood? How did that happen? You know, just drive, I guess. I just loved South Carolina. I love so many things about it. But at the same time, my parents had always taken me to New York to see theater every summer. We would go.

And to me, that was about the best thing that there was, right? So I was just like, I've got to get out of here and get up there. I've got to get to New York. I've got to get to New York. And then I ended up wanting to go to acting school. And I went to Rutgers because they had an MFA BFA program. And you could kind of be there, but also go into the city to see shows. You were close enough to the city.

my dad taught at USC, the South Carolina USC. So he felt really strongly about college. So I went to college at Rutgers and then I moved right to the city. I was an actress waitress, you know, for a long time. And then I moved to L.A. And then I got work that took me back to New York. So it all worked out. But I do love the South and I do miss it.

Yeah, yeah. It was, I have lived every. I was actually, I did it in reverse. So I was born in Los Angeles. Wow. raised there. Wow. And my father was an airline pilot. And back in those days, they gave you, they gave the, the employee, a thing called a term pass for each family member. And you could kind of take, it looked like a little credit card with your picture on it. And you just walk up to the ticket

counter and you'd say, oh, I want to go here. And they'd put you on standby and off you'd go. Amazing. It was great. And I ended up traveling all over. And, and I'd lived there. And I'd lived there. all over. Amazing. Had never lived in the South. So we've been here now. My wife and our two children, we've been here now for going on five years.

Wow. I love it. I love it so much. That's a cool story. It's been great. It's been lovely. We have an antique and fine art store here. And I build, when I,

I sort of retired from acting and I started building farmhouse furniture. and I was doing it as sort of a hobby and it just kind of took off. And that's my primary business now. Wow. And that's what I do here. Oh my gosh.

I love farmhouse furniture. Oh, cool. You got us in some of our stuff. It's really cool. I mean, I'm basically a Southern girl. So it's all good. It's all good. This is very cool.

I mean, I always love to catch up with people who are on our show because people are in such different places and doing such different things, which is very, very, Interesting, you know, because acting is obviously not always like your, your forever thing that you want to stay in, right? Yeah, I think, you know, you know as well as I do that the folks who can not only build a career, but one with notoriety in it, and then maintain that over years and years, that's a really, really difficult and special thing to be able to do.

I always admire the folks who have been able to do that. You're one of those people. Oh, thank you. Barely. Okay. Barely. But it's, you know, I started when I was very, very young. And it all just sort of happened to me. I didn't really, I was too young to make it happen. So it had to happen to me. Wow. And I've, I've always had a good relationship with the work and with the industry. I love it. I love the process. But I reached a point really where, you know, I think it was having. children and finding the relationship I found because I had struggled in in in the relationship area and mostly at my own doing I hadn't really become the person that I needed to be to maintain a good quality relationship that was you know good for good for both and when I found that in my wife and found the kids I really wanted to just plant myself and we came back

We lived in Barcelona for 10 years. Ooh. We started at our store in Barcelona, and then we moved it to the United States, and it kind of took off here, and it made the decision for me. Wow. That's super interesting. I mean, I do think also being born here is, first of all, so rare. Like, you almost never meet people who are born in Los Angeles, right? Native's right, yeah.

Yeah, very rare. And also, I don't know how old you were when you started acting, but I can only imagine how. how kind of odd that is to be in it as a young person? You know, I was 11 when it happened. I can tell you I was playing Pop Warner football, which was Little League football. And my coach was a commercial director. And he was great guys named Coach Blaine, Colin Blaine. And he went to my parents during the actor's strike of 1978.

Wow. And he said, I can't hire a union actor during the strike. but your son is perfect for this commercial I'm shooting, and it was for Girideli chocolate chip cookies. Amazing. So he goes to my dad, and he goes, and my dad was coaching another team, and he goes, well, your son, do you think Tim would want to eat chocolate chip cookies

in a commercial for me? And my dad said, well, given how he eats them at home, I would imagine, yes. But, you know, go ask him. So he asked me, and, of course, I said, yes, I ended up in San Francisco shooting this commercial, and long story short, that puts you into the union, right? You go through this. It's like a catch-22. You can't work if you're not in the union, but you can't get in the union if you haven't worked. And a strike offers that opportunity, right, to make that magic trick work. And that's what happened to me. And the next thing I knew, I was auditioning for Michael Landon. Wow.

For the spinoff of Little House in the Prairie called Father Murphy. It was on NBC for a few years. And I got that role and it changed everything. Amazing. But yet you seem very grounded and whole. You know, was there something that you did to get through being a child actor that helped you? You know, I wasn't always grounded and I wasn't always whole. Okay.

I've had, first of all, I'm the youngest of five kids and they've all played a role in one way or another of whole, you know, grounding me. different time. Certainly when I was a younger, when I was a child actor and had more notoriety and I sort of went from one series to another at that time for a few years, I was too young to be, to struggle with some of those social things that you struggle with when you get older. And so I had that family around me. It was so easy. You know, my parents were really involved and they had us going from one thing to another. They didn't take an eye off us too much. So a lot of that stuff that happened to kids and child actors didn't happen to me. I was very, very fortunate.

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, gosh. Good for them. But later, you know, I've, I've, I had my own fair share of struggles. And much of it was just self-imposed, getting wrapped up in, you know, maybe too much drinking or maybe drugs, stuff like that. Oh, I mean, there's so much of it. You know, and I definitely had my fair share of years in there where I was putting more emphasis on going out and getting into trouble than I was on really anything else.

So that's not good. You're not really forming great relationships in that. And it wasn't until much later. I'm now almost 60. But Patrick and I have been married now for almost 15 years. And it was when I met her that everything started to kind of come around. That's so nice. Yeah, it's amazing. Help me put Sex and City in the middle of this. Like, where were you in your career when you ended up being our incredibly good-looking detective? You know what?

That was a big year for me. I was on a daytime soap opera at the time on One Life to Live. And I think I had just come off of, just gotten an Emmy daytime Emmy nomination. Nice. And that was a big deal for me, of course. and then I got this role. I went in and an audition for Alan, the director, and he just makes a decision sort of on the spot very quickly.

He's a great guy. We love Alan Coulter so much, yeah. Yeah, he was a super talented guy too. So, yeah, I walked in there and kind of walked out knowing that I was going to be on this show. And the thing that I knew about it, even though I think that was, I think it was season two. It's season three.

Season three, our best season as far as I'm concerned. Season three, And it was like already, it was in, you know, at the flashpoint of the zeitgeist, right? It was just, well, I remember I did that show and then it aired and it was, it seemed like all the other work I'd done before where you'd get stopped in the airport once every third trip. Now you're on sex in the city. It doesn't matter whether you were a guest or not. People are going to are going to recognize you and recognize your work. And that was a lot of fun.

Good. I got a lot of questions I didn't know the answer to. a lot of questions about you guys. Oh, well, you really only work with, well, you worked with Sarah and Cynthia, but predominantly Cynthia. Yeah, that's right. Like, I don't think we ever met that I know of.

No, we didn't, we didn't meet. And if I'm totally honest, I wanted to meet you. I think I wanted to meet you more than, than any of it. Well, darn it? Well, why didn't we? Darn.

And I didn't, I didn't meet you. I remember talking to my buddy Paul was like, what was it like? I was telling me. Did you meet Christmas? I said no. Oh, I wish I had met you too. I don't know.

I must have been, I feel like in this episode, I'm off in Connecticut with the Kyle's family, the Trey family. And I do know we went to Connecticut. So I might have actually physically not even been around. You know? You know how it is on sets. You can, it's possible for you to, you know, it's possible for you to inhabit two roles that are well featured. You might not ever see each other. It's true.

But it's a bummer. It's a bummer because sometimes we would have readthroughs where everyone would be there, but I don't know if at this point in the season, because I think at this point in this season, this is 317. So it was like back in the day where we used to make so many episodes in a season, right? I think we were hectic. You know, we'd gone to L.A., I think, and come back. Like, we were, I think we just lost our minds at this point in the season. Yeah, I, you know, I remember it being very, it felt to me anyway, like kind of an efficient machine that was moving very fast, much faster than I expected. Right. Of course.

You know, on daytime in soaps, it moves so lightning fast. Oh, God. I was on a soap once. It was crazy. Yes, it is crazy. So you're like, you know on a busy show, you're 30 pages of dialogue a day. And so I went there. It was like a vacation.

You know, a few lines here, a few lines there. And it was great. Sure. I have a pressing question for you, though. I've been really curious about this. Is it my imagination? or was there a part of this that you filmed with Cynthia where she throws up on you while you're having sex?

Oh my God, it's true. It's true. You're right. I'm right. Okay. This is so crazy to me because you know they cut it out. Oh, I know they cut it out. They cut it out and they change the ending

so that she wakes up with that massive hangover, stumbles down her hallway, and finds a note. she thinks it's going to be his phone number, and he's left her the phone number to AA. It's so sad. It's so sad. So what do you remember?

Like, because I remember there was a lot of discussion. There was soup. They put soup like Campbell's soup in the thing, and they put a tube, and she had to throw up on you while you're having sex. You're 100% right. It was the most, first of all, let's talk. Sex scenes in Hollywood, it's not, it's the most,

it's mortifying. Totally. You've got, you know, a bunch of people around doing the various things that need to be done from lighting to measuring your nose and you're trying to get the rolling

around right and the kissing right and the whole it's just crazy. So of course Cynthia made it easy she's a total pro. The way they had this thing structured right, I'm in her bed, I got the pillows behind me, she's straddling me so I'm, you know,

they've got me naked from the waist up and they've got her in the pasties so she's got the bare back and they're over her shoulder, or no, no, for this particular shot. They're like two shot, right? They're in a two shot on the side. And her profile is blocking the machine, which is basically like this massive, like two-inch or three-inch cannon that they've set up that's like air actuated, right?

And they filled it with with chunky soup. Yes. And then the way the scene was written was, she's, sort of, you know, I got to go through it. So she's sort of, she's writhing on top of me. And we're, you know, and I'm holding her. And she's getting seasick from all the drinking that she did. Right. And so for whatever reason she felt inadequate,

she drank herself through it. She starts to get sick, motion sickness. And she throws up on me. And they fire this, they fire this stuff out of the canon. And it's like projectile, like horizontal across the screen, just right into my face and in my mouth and in my chest. And I didn't have to do anything because I don't need to react really beyond. I mean, it's just, well, they looked at that apparently. This is what I heard.

I heard they looked at it in post, of course, and they were like, no, we can't. I mean, it's like Linda Blair on, you know, on Mestlin. We can't, we can't do this. Oh my God. This is going to be indelible. They're only going to remember this. I'm imagining it was their inner dialogue. But for whatever reason, they just thought it was too gruesome to be able to show it.

And they changed it. But a lot of people don't know that. You know, and somewhere that footage exists. I know. See, in my mind, it was so vividly written. And I feel like somehow I might have seen the dailies. Because Cynthia used to love to watch her dailies. and it was really extreme.

Like I have a very vivid image of it in my mind. And I didn't really, I wasn't sure that they cut it out. But I do remember conversation about it. And I remember that the conversation was that it went too far in the embarrassment of Miranda. Right? Yeah, that makes sense. Because they do love to embarrass us. Like all of the characters get embarrassed in different ways throughout the years.

But this was kind of maybe just like too far. I think so. I think so. I think maybe if they. I don't know if they had somehow not shown the actual action of it all. Maybe it would have worked. But hey, listen, I think they ended up with a satisfactory ending. All right.

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a very odd scene, right? Like this guy pulls this gun out and she kind of thinks it's a joke, which I kind of understand, because it's total of daylight, it's all very odd. And then you come, you're very professional, you know, you're very good looking, but you're very professional. And then Miranda shows up, and the first thing you say to her is something about like, oh, maybe you should read me my Miranda rights or come with me and read the Miranda. Right. A funny little joke.

Like you're like, you have an interesting combination of, like, dignity. You know what I'm saying? Because you're the cop and you're not really like overdoing it, but you're also kind of flirty and good looking and interesting. So she's all like a flutter. And then Carrie is like trying to get your attention while you two are talking. She's like standing on her toes and stuff. Do you remember this?

It's really funny. I love the scene where she gets jacked for her Manola Blonics, which was part of that. And I'll tell you some of the things that I liked about this, the way they, that Alan also, his direction. So when we were in the restaurant, and I've got a lot of comments about this, when we're in the restaurant, Alan told me, you know, your attention is on her that all this external attention this character is getting. You don't notice that at all. And of course, it makes complete sense that he, it goes to supporting the idea that he's entirely enamored with her. and I love the way that read when I watched it

when I watched it in the episode I love the way that that simple little thing it's not even the dialogue really it's just the action that this guy is genuinely focused on her and not on any of this external energy that he's getting and I liked the character for that

I think that's part of where the dignity the character comes from there was another thing that happened that happens a lot as a result which is kind of anecdotal, but it's funny. The comment I'm not kidding. The comment I would get the most of consistently

from people who knew me and didn't know me was you have really nice hands. And that was what they would say. And I came away from that. I mean, as an actor, I came away thinking, maybe I should be a hand model. Totally. That's exactly what I thought.

That's what went through my head. Which is not great for an actor to think. not a great review, right? Oh, no, it's a good review. That's a nice thing. No, it was, uh, that experience was a great one. And here you have an example of something that was a small little blip in terms of the time that it took, but because it was such a popular program and because you guys had landed so solidly with, with the public, they, they, come on, I mean, they, they still devour that show. I still watch that show. I love watching that show.

It's not only a love letter to New York, which is an aspect of it that is near and dear to me. I can't not watch something that's a love letter either to L.A. or New York. But it's also just the nature of what you talked about earlier, how they made you guys very human when they made fun of you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And with your struggles. The whole, yeah, I mean, our writers obviously are, you know, excellent and the reason in our minds for the success. We were just lucky as actors, you know, to get that job, right?

But I love, like, and that's what I love about, about, there's a few guys, and I'm trying to think now of other ones, it's hard to even think of other ones, where, you know, like Miranda, because of her insecurity, because she feels like you're better looking than she is, which is so relatable and adorable, she messes up, right? Like, she messes up a good thing because you have all the digger. you're a cop you're totally focused on her even though the whole restaurant is looking at you which is also kind of an interesting it's like a you know you're like the really good looking girl but with a heart of gold like totally focused and professional and appropriate and all of the things right

and it would have still been true if they had kept in the the throwing up part because you're also like you know what are you supposed to do with that right but without it and writing the AA note also amazing you know what I'm saying? Like, I love the arc. Yeah, I do. I get it. He was a good, he was a good guy. Yeah. And, and, and, uh, it's, still, when I watch the episode, I know I'm kind of taking this off on a different track, and you're probably going to get this. You're probably, if you haven't gotten

to it before me, you're going to get to it. Hmm. I thought that the, the, the character who, for me, stole that show was the, was the, the actor who played Sam. It's so funny. It's so funny. I know who is that guy. I don't know.

He was absolutely hysterical. He really was. I mean, everything from the voice to the temperament. And when he starts to get like needy, how funny that was. Oh, my God, so funny. The sex scenes were hilarious. Hilarious. Hilarious.

And a lot of that is Alan Coulter, too, as you said. Like he, the way that I think Alan Coulter makes actors feel very comfortable. right, which is really nice. And then he's also really creative about the shots and how he does them. And I had 100% forgotten that entire storyline. Like sometimes when I'm watching, I'm really watching for the first time because I don't remember anything, really. And I didn't remember that storyline not for one tiny second. I was like, who is Sam Jones?

What is this? I didn't know. And then it's this kid. And I don't know who that actor is. I don't know why he has that accent. Like, what was going on? Oh, it was so good. He's great.

He's great. And also, it's so funny the way that the writing, because so the basic gist for anyone who doesn't remember is that Sam is, Samantha is at home in her new loft. And she's getting all these phone calls about this party, this big blowout that she's throwing. And all these guys are calling to say that they're coming. So that kind of piques her interest because she doesn't know what they're talking about. And then she calls the guy that she says something to one of the guys calling her to to confirm going to the party. she says like who you know what party and he tells them where and it's a it's it's it's it's um it's like a downtown uh you know it's by um uh uh washington square park right so she thinks it's very posh because of course you would

think an address down there would be very posh well it's new york university so it's like a fat house exactly it's in a dorm which is so mortifying she makes carrie go i had not remembered any of this it's really funny they go in there and carrie's like like, you know, don't tell anyone we did this. So they go in and there's all these young people. And she goes up to the guy who is Sam Jones also. And he tells her he's a virgin, I believe, which is also really funny. And you can see her eyes light up.

But then she's like, no, no, we're going to leave, you know, which is the right thing to do. And then he pursues her or whatever, right? Like he comes over. It's crazy. And they have like very athletic sex, very athletic and creatively filmed sex. And he's, of course, thrilled. you know, and she's, of course, like, not really thrilled, though she does seem worn out, but not like, she's not in her Samantha Jones way excited.

But he is very excited and tells her he loves her. And she's like, bye-bye. Yeah, exactly. And then he just starts to devolve, right? I know. I mean, I found that whole thing to be kind of poignant, but also extremely funny and touching. That's the sort of, that's the thing that show did is you don't feel. the needle going in, but it did from time to time

touch on something important or something there's a lesson in there. There are very often a lesson in there. Hidden away and all the laughs and all of that. That's what made it so I think it was one of the things that obviously it's your chemistry, you guys.

They got so lucky when they cast that show and they figured out, because you know at any given place that could have gone off the rails or not worked from a chemistry point. That's true. Because there's a lot of, there's a lot of you there, you know? There are a lot of us there. Right. And so it just, it was magic that, that chemistry and everything worked out the way that it did. It's true. It's true. And it was magic because none of us

read together. You know, now they would do the chemistry. Is that so? Yeah. I thought that, I would have thought for sure that you read together. No, no, no. No, that's why it's also just kind odd, you know, it's like Kismet or whatever. It's a strange thing. So walk me, walk me through what, what, how did you, how did it work out for you that you get this? Obviously, your agent calls you, you get this audition. Not exactly like that, because I already knew Darren Starr, who actually wrote this episode. Is that right? Am I correct? Yeah, Darren Starr wrote this episode, which is interesting. Because I didn't realize, I know, it's a great episode. I didn't realize he, he, he, Darren has described himself in interviews as being like a shark. Like he has,

to keep moving. So he likes to create shows and then move on, generally speaking. So I knew him because he cast me on Melrose. And right after Melrose, he left. And I was like, oh, no, my guy left because he was the only guy who seemed to understand my character. So then they were like, we don't know what to do with this character. And so they killed me off, which was fine. I did, I think, 36 episodes, some insane amount of episodes of that show. And then he had thought to himself that he was tired of regular network stuff and he wanted to go to HBO even though HBO wasn't really known for original programming. So he options Candice Bushnell's book of the column, Sex and the City, and he takes it to HBO and he makes a deal at HBO and they're

going to make this pilot. And it was kind of, you know, for all the actresses in L.A., it was like, what? Like four women stomping around New York City in outfits. Like they're in charge. Like why? Like it was unheard of, you know? And it still is kind of unheard of, which is a sad commentary, I think, on our business. But at the time, which was, I think, 1997, that's when we got cast in the pilot. It was, you know, like just, I remember just thinking, so, so the short version of the story, he sends me the script because they had wanted Sarah Jessica to play Carrie. She was getting cold feet about committing to a television show. So he sent me the script with a little note that said, Kristen, read this for the role of Carrie.

And I was like, I can't play this scary part. Oh, because I knew myself. And I was very Southern at that point inside, even though I don't know if people knew that or not or whatever. And I thought I was Charlotte because I related much more to Charlotte. So I said, Darren, I can't play this part. I've got to play this other, this one over here. And he was like, okay, all right.

So then I went in to test. I didn't have to do anything but test because he knew me. I go into test. and they seemed very unsure about everything except for Sarah Jessica. Because at that point, they had really put all their eggs in that basket. They really wanted Sarah. They were talking to comedians about Samantha. They had asked Kim, and Kim had said no.

I think she said no twice. So they were kind of in this thing between Sarah Jessica and Kim, Sarah Jessica and Kim. No one had ever met anyone except Cynthia and Sarah knew each other from Broadway. And they had worked together before. But no one ever had anyone read together as these parts. whatever. Not at all. That surprises me. That's crazy. Hi, this is Joe Winterstein, host of the Spirit Daughter podcast, where we talk about astrology,

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this story when she came on the podcast. And then they were they, for both of us, they let it go. You know how when you test, you have like a set period of time that they have to tell you. It's like two weeks or something like this, they had gone to the 11th hour for her and not told her. So her manager was calling them basically saying, you're going to lose Cynthia, because it was still pilot season. Remember in the days of pilot season? Yep. She's, her manager was calling them every hour saying, you're going to lose her, you're going

to lose her. She's getting on a plane to go to L.A. to shoot a pilot. And if you don't get her before then, she's going to do this other show. Because really, she didn't want to go do this other show in L.A. She wanted to stay in New York and do our show. So the manager had to, Emily had to do her managerial thing. Right. Of course. And mine, mine, I'm like dying, like so tortured by having to wait.

Like every day I'm calling my lawyer. Every day I'm calling my manager. Every day I'm calling my agent. Like, did they call you? Did they call you? What is happening? I'm just like out of my ever-loving mind. So on the final day, they still hadn't called.

And so I went to the movies in the daytime down at Santa Monica, AMC, just to try to get through a couple hours. Oh, God. I've been there. I've been there. Right. It's so hard. And I remember being in the parking lot. I had my little clunky cell phone at the time in the beginning of the cell phones, and I called my manager like, what, did you hear anything?

And he was like, yeah, they finally said, yeah, but they seemed kind of on the fence. And I was like, ah, well, I'll just go do it. It'll be all right. And I went and did it, and then they tried to demote me to recurring. It's a long story. But it all worked out. It all worked out. Oh, it worked out beautifully.

Thank you. So they answered their question of whether or not you were Charlotte. Yes. And I think you've answered it really well. Thank you. So wait, tell me a little bit. You alluded to it. But so tell me what it was like when the show aired and you'd be walking around. What did people say to you? You know, it was amazing. First of all, I had, that year was quite a year for me where two things happened that were unexpected. They were different jobs for me. Sex in the City, of course, was one of them. And then I did, I was called, this is funny. I was called, well, okay, my agent in New York gets a, submission from these

fellows that come over from Europe, and they're producing a new video game that's a sequel to another one. It's called Max Payne. It was the sequel to Max Payne. It was the game. But they said, what we're doing is looking for an actor because we're going to actually capture,

not just the motion, but we're going to capture his face and his movements through the graphic novel and into the game. And it's like this two-and-a-half-month experience, and we are looking for someone who looks like this guy. And they gave my picture to my agent.

No way. Yeah, swear. That's freaky. Totally. My agent calls me, because you're not going to believe this, but I was just given your picture and told to find a guy that looks like you. And I said, you're kidding.

For what? And he explains the whole thing. And I go, well, here's the thing. If I don't get this, I mean, if I don't get this, then there's either something wrong with me or I definitely have the right to be somehow pissed. So I'm going to

go. So I go and meet them and it was a nice meeting. It was great. I ended up getting this thing and it was so interesting because the video game community is this ferocious, you know, infected in a good way

very involved. Like if you think the soap opera, the daytime soap opera fans are rabid. No, no, no. The video game fans are, you know, they're like comic book and they know everything that's that's supposed to happen and how every fiber is supposed to look and everything. So it was, that was something that even to this day, people are still, you know, I still have connections to people who are affected by that who are fans of that game. And the same with, with sex in the city. So this thing airs. And

I start getting stopped on the street in New York. I was still shooting the show, the one life to live. And I was getting stopped all the time when it was when it was airing. You know, just asking me if I was on the show, did you play, hey, were you, Officer Stevens, were you?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that, of course, was, you know, in the, in the, over the years in which I, was an actor, I didn't quite have that kind of notoriety, even on daytime where I, where was somewhat popular. You don't really have that kind of engagement with the folks who watch. So I was gratified by that, actually. I thought it was fun to meet all those people and you'd catch a quick story about who they are or what, you know, their thoughts on the show. Yeah. But they would always ask me about you guys. They would always ask me questions about

all of you, you know, questions about Cynthia that I couldn't answer and show you, because they think that we know each other better than we do. Right.

And so there was a lot of that and a lot of the hands thing, you know, the hands. Interesting. That was so weird. And I know why, because in the restaurant scene, there's, in those shots,

it's, with the wine glass, it's basically my hands are like a third character. Interesting. I was not looking at that. I'm going to have to look back at it. I like it. I like it. Do you miss acting? Sometimes I do. Sometimes I do. Yeah. Sometimes I, you know, the last thing I did was an

independent series a few years back called Paper Empire. It hasn't really gone too far. That thing. It was a producer went and made it on his own dime and started trying to sell it around town. You know how that can go? Yes. But it's the experience of being in front of the camera is the same no matter what the sales experiences later for something. As the actor, you have the same sort of feelings. Yeah. It's always been a career that had been good to me. And I sometimes still even question that why did I, did I stop?

And, you know, those are, it's an interesting, I mean, to be very honest with you, I think that it's a confluence of things really. I think it, I had some insecurities that might have led to putting an arm's distance between the experience of incessantly auditioning

and going, you know, the nature of an act, it is. You know, you know as well as I do that the nature of an actor is that you're, you're, you're out of work constantly, even when you're working. And when you're working, you're looking for the next thing and you're And so I, when I found an opportunity to be grounded, I found it, I was enamored by it.

I felt like I had been hugged. And I don't mean to make it too heady or any of that, but I think it was a combination of me meeting Patry, my wife, and, you know, I have and have had. something that I think perhaps unfortunately most people may never have. And it is, I have this extraordinary relationship that has enriched me and made me so much better than I was. That's amazing. It is, it is amazing. It is, it is nothing short of amazing. And I, I don't know why that happened. And then I have these, we have these two beautiful children. And I don't, I just got, I got this point where I said, man, I have everything I need sort of.

And I can maybe stop swimming against the current to try to be something more. Uh-huh. That makes sense to me. I think that's super smart. I think that's a smart way to go. I mean, you'd already had a whole career, you know? At times it feels smart. Sometimes it feels like I gave up.

Oh. Some days it feels, you know. like it was right and it's just a that's just something that it changes as you think things through and as you're and also you know what all strikes you as you go and you see like for instance you go see something like um and by no means am i comparing my my own abilities to the likes of of these i would mention but you go you go and see uh one battle after another and you know how they generally you know the process of making it and and and and you as an actor who's done it for so long it's impossible for you not to opine for for that opportunity or that feeling. Sure. I don't think I don't think that ever leaves you that you would just simply not ever want to feel that again. Right.

I think that it's not a struggle though in the sense that when I tell you that, you know, how I feel on my home front, it really, that it really is true. And that really sort of makes everything so much easier. Absolutely. I think it's super fascinating. I also feel like it's, it is kind of, it's, because you started at 11, right? Like that is, you already had the length of a career of like an incredible career. Do you know what I'm saying?

Yeah, I did. I did. I did. I had, I mean, I, God, I had, my career had been, it's been an interesting one. I played Merlin Olson's son, who was the famous linebacker for the Rams. Wow. I played O.J. Simpson's adopted son. What?

Yes. What was that like? We have to stop right there for a second. Oh, my God. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What year was that? Okay, that was my, that was 19-7. It was either 19, I'm going to say it was 1979 or 1979.

Okay. Gosh. And what was he like? Well, you know, that's the, isn't that the thing with him that he was this very personable, magnetic figure with a big smile like Magic Johnson? Right. But we all, you know, didn't realize that his heart was not like Magic Johnson's heart, right? Right, right. But I played a, it was a sequel to one of his TV movies that was very successful called Goldie in the Boxer.

And this was called Goldie and the Boxer goes to Hollywood. And this heavyweight fighter adopts a bunch of orphans who live behind the movie sets. Wow. And becomes kind of a father figure to them. And I remember he signed a ball that I have somewhere to my family, to the Gibbs family and it says peace, OJ Simpson, which is just... Wow, oh my God, oh my God. Yeah, I mean, crazy things that...

In other words, I've had a very interesting track and been able to work with some great people. I played Chad Everett's son in that Stephen Cannell series. So all of these different experiences. And, of course, in Barcelona and Spain, I was shooting movies there. And that was quite fun. Yeah.

So, yeah, it's this career when practiced at a certain level can take you all over and you meet all kinds of people. You shoot in all different kinds of lands and you learn a lot and it's enriching in so many ways. So I definitely feel like I had that experience. Which is so great. So great. And I think it is a beautiful thing that you found this incredible relationship and grounded family and you're building furniture. I think that sounds amazing. Yeah, it's the most, it's, it's so much fun.

I'll show you, I'm in my store, right? Okay. Ooh. So this is one of the tables we build this very old, very old primitive stuff. It's so beautiful. And then we build these stools. Ooh. Yeah.

So this is, this is my life now. Gorgeous. Yeah, it's cool. Oh, I'm going to be on your website. You got to check it out. You got to go check it out. Check it out. Our cave modern.

Amazing. I mean, we could come by the next time we go from Columbia to Charleston. I'm telling you, you could. Yay. I'm so excited. We'd welcome you. Amazing. Amazing.

See, that's the kind of life I feel somewhat jealous for. You know, like you always feel jealous for the other thing, right? Yeah, of course. Yeah. Yes. Like, I mean, it wasn't in the cars from here or whatever, but part of me I can see the joy of like a grounded experience in a tiny town. Yeah, that part of it.

it's interesting. Tiny towns, southern towns, they have their secrets and they have, you know, our little town, it's a tiny town, but it's, South Carolina has a share of corruption at the municipal level. Oh, listen. I mean, I'm not even going to get started, but I know. I could tell you some serious stories. Yeah, it's never boring down there. Oh, we've had police chiefs arrested and all kinds of crazy stuff.

Oh, we. Oh yeah, and this is a tiny little town. So it's, yeah, I won't go into names or anything, but it's been an education across the board, but largely the nature of it, this quiet, sort of simple life, it has its attractions. It has its benefits. And there are moments where I'm grateful to have it. You know, L.A. it's a roaring life. And New York is even more. Oh, yeah.

But this is more of a whisper and it's nice. It can be nice. That's very nice. Well, you're a joy. Thank you so much for joining us. Oh, my gosh. That's part of the fun thing about a pod because you don't know everyone's story

and that's why I wanted to do this because I love to hear everybody's stories. You know, I'm so grateful to you for reaching out And giving me the opportunity, I've always felt like my little stint on that show packed much more of a punch than I expected. Yeah. And I'm grateful for that opportunity. And this gives me the opportunity to actually say that. And that's cool.

Oh, that's so nice. That's the other thing that I love so much when you, you know, when you're around actors, all of us, I think, really, I mean, at least most of us have a sense of how lucky we are. and, you know, we're very, I think you have to be kind of open as a person and grateful. And the things that, you know, you have expressed, that's part of why I wanted to talk to everybody, too, because I love to hear each personal version. And if you weave all those things together, I do think it's really like an interesting backdrop to what people see, right? Because they only see the show, the finished product.

But like what everyone puts into it is so interesting, individually. interesting, which is why it works, you know? Yeah, absolutely. Thank you so much, Timothy, for joining us. It was my pleasure, honestly. Thank you for having me. My joy, now I know the South Carolina connection. We're going to have to find you. Yeah, you'll have to come by and see the store. I'd love to. I'd love to. Have a great day. Thank you so much. Thank you. Have a great one. Bye-bye. Thanks. Bye.

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