Are You A Charlotte? - Let’s get Funky with Lala Kent... (S3 E9 "Easy Come, Easy Go")

Episode Date: January 8, 2026

This episode has left us wondering, did it affect Bobby Cannavale’s love life?  Lala shares the recipe for the cure!Lala notices something that puts Trey in a trance that could be a power move for women IRL.Plus, Kristin has a behind the scenes Tiffany’s story.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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and across the pond, plus much, much more. It's a crash course in the last 12 months, how we made it through the year, and a look at what might be coming in 2026. Listen to next question with me, Katie Couric on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Kristen Davis, and I want to know, are you a Charlotte? Welcome back, everybody, to Are You a Charlotte, Part 2, thanks for joining us. Let's talk about the actual episode, because we haven't even touched on Samantha, which is a very funny and good storyline, very funny and good. And I just want to say Bobby Canavale plays the guy here. I think his name is Adam Ball, which is also kind of entertaining and I do think he was based all of our storylines are based on

some real story that the writers either experienced or know of right you it's too good you can't make it up no I know from a real experience 100% and I have forgotten all I remember obviously funky spunk became like quite you know a big thing and I don't know I know Bobby I've worked with Bobby since then we were on Will and Grace together I don't think I asked him like before I started doing this podcast, it never occurred to me to say to the guys like, hey, what was that like for you? Right. You know what I mean? And I'm dying for Bobby to come on. Bobby, please, if you

hear this, please come on. He's a great, great person, so sweet, such a great actor. But I just wonder, in life, what was this like for him, like, walking around? I was thinking the same thing watching last night. I was like, because obviously we know he's acting or whatever.

This is a script. But I'm like, I wonder if after that people didn't want to blow him because they were Or if he's walking down the road and people are like, yo, funky spunk. I mean, like, how mortifying. I didn't think about that. I just figured he would never get another blow job again. I mean, he's doing fine.

He's with Rose Byr and they have children. I think it all worked out. Everything's fine for him. I think it's all good. But in that moment, watching, I was like, I wonder what it was like after this aired for him. And the fun of the thing is like, why didn't I ask him this when I saw him in life? But I think you just, I wasn't, I didn't have that viewpoint of like, what was this like for them? You have to have him on.

I know. I know, I know, Bobby, you must come. You must come. Um, but he's so funny in it because he's not, um, I love his way that he does it, which is like, you give such good head. You know, he's like really into it in such a funny way. Yes. And then also so, so, and I also love that, um, Samantha takes him and makes him drink wheatgrass juice. It's really funny. She's like, how long does it take for it to work its way through the system? Half hour. I know, but then it doesn't work. I think he's going to need more days. I think

it takes like, he needs pineapple. I think he needs. I think he needs. assayee also. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Assei, pineapple, a lot of fruit. Right. Right. He needs, like, more alkaline diet. I don't know. I don't know. But the thing that's funny, too, is that then I was a little unclear when she, so, so it's kind of a saga, right? Her trying to figure out this and talking to us and Charlotte gets up and leaves. Yeah, you were very angry. I know. Not you, Charlotte. I know it was so funny. Like, of all things, I'm just going to be like, no. But I think that's because I'm engaged. I think I'm engaged and I'm like above this now. totally that's what i gathered right so i'm like okay wait i've talked about so many crazy things with

these ladies but whatever okay i'm just going to get up and go it was a funny moment but um i think it's funny how she wants to make it work she tries to take him to get the wheatgrass she tries it again and then i had forgotten that she gives him this huge speech about how it is a job and you have to think about your jaw and you have to think about your teeth and you have to think about your tongue and men don't know blah blah blah and i'm also thinking like you know all the men watching this are like women don't know yeah and then she's like but with the right man right it can be fabulous i know i know which is also it's all very trippy to me then i forgot that she makes him taste it and he shudders right but they don't show it like it's interested they i don't know

what i'm talking about what do you mean like you don't act actually you see him no you don't see the come but you see him he puts his fingers in his mouth okay He does. Okay. Okay. And she said, if you're fine with it, I'll blow you. And he pretends that he's fine with it. I know, I know.

He's like, I'm fine with it. You know, I wasn't there on the day that day that they were filming that, right? But you know that was like so much disgust that that's also why we need, Bobby. We need to hear about the different takes, do you know what I mean? And how big of a reaction versus how small of a reaction to, do you know what I'm saying? To give. Yeah. Once you taste your own funky spunk.

Yeah. And, I mean, I wonder how many men have actually done this. I don't think very many. I don't know. What do you think? I don't think so. I doubt it. I doubt it too, right?

I really doubt it. But then also, Samantha says she's not swallowing. And I'm like, wow, I would have thought that she was swallowing. She seems like a swallower to me. But you know what? I gave up swallowing at the age of maybe 24. Swallowing is hard. I mean, it's rough, man.

This is what I want to say. I don't think that cum belongs in my stomach. I don't think it does either. You can put it on my face. Okay, okay. Because it is great skin care, especially if you're broken out. My stomach, my back, if I want to have a baby,

do your thing, which I don't want to have a baby. I understand. But not in my stomach. I just don't fit on, not in. It's hard to swallow that stuff. It's hard. It's hard. It's more about the texture.

The texture's awful. It's awful. horrible. It's awful. But also it's just such an awkward, awkward moment of like, do you swallow or don't you swallow? And what do you do with it if you don't swallow? Oh, well, back in my heyday. Yes.

Usually when I would swallow, I would chase it with like a shot of vodka. Wow. Yes. Okay. Well, that's probably the way to go. That's the way to go. I would think. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. See, I've been sober for too long. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, because I didn't get sober until 28. Got it. And then if you don't swallow, I think you have to be near a bathroom to like spit it in the sink, the toilet.

To me, that's rough. That's just all very difficult because then it's like an ache factor that you need to go spit it out. I don't recommend swallowing on an empty stomach, though. I know. That's the other thing. I don't think that people, meaning men, really realize that it's like a very potent kind of weird thing to eat. You know what? They should try it.

So they understand what we go through. You know? I do. I do know. But I think they would also say the same, you know, about women, not that they have to swallow something. But you don't am trying to say. They think that we don't understand.

Yeah, but I taste myself before I know someone's going to go down there. You know, you give it a swirl. You put it in the mouth. Wow. Thanks, Lala. Yeah. Is that too much? No, it's really good.

What if you don't feel like it's up to par? No, she's always good. Okay, great, great, great. I was going to learn something. I was looking to maybe learn some tips. I'm very into my vaginal hygiene. I love it like I would my skincare routine. Nice.

Yeah. Oh, that's very nice. I feel bad for the people who come over, my amazing housekeepers that keep all of the ducks in a row and me feeling like my kids can crawl on the floor because they see all of my products that I'm sure they're like, what? Wow. I'm sure they think I do porn or something.

You would have to. I don't think that they'd think you do porn. That would be so extreme. But you mean like maybe they just think that you're really into cleanliness. Let's go with that. You know? I'm an extremist. Right? Wow.

I do feel I need a list of the products though. I mean, I'm super curious now. I've got you. Wow. Okay, great. And my friends and I like to go back and forth with like what they're using. Like my friend told me about these wipes that taste like something. No, I don't think that's good.

I don't think those are good for you. I don't think they're good for you either. No. That's weird. Because I'm also really, I'm a weirdo. Okay. Because I, I'm in, I shouldn't say I'm a weirdo. Okay.

I like to read the ingredients. Like, I'm very funny about what I put under my armpits. Me too. I don't know that I love putting something on my vagina that tastes like something. No flavors. No flavors. That's strange. I think that's healthy.

It's not healthy, but also like when he's down there, I don't want him to be like, oh, a banana. That's weird. That's so weird. No, that's so weird. No, no, no, no. I don't think that's good. I don't think that's good. Because there would have to be something sweet in there to make the banana and then you might get a reaction. Or you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying?

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It's sort of like the game of life. I don't know if you ever played that game. Oh, my gosh, yes. You take the car along and you try and get money, and you try and get degrees, and you try and get to the end where either you have a mansion or a ranch or a shack. And once you get to retirement, you're done. What about the whole path along the way? So join me to get unstuck in 26. Listen to the Happiness Lab on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your shows. always say new year new me but real change starts on the inside it starts with giving your mind and your spirit the same attention you give your goals hey everybody it's michelle williams host of checking in on the black effect podcast network and on my podcast we talk mental health healing

growth and everything you need to step into your next season whole and empowered new year real you listen to checking in with michelle williams from the black effect podcast Podcast Network on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, the carry of this when I was watching it, I feel like it's kind of a film. You know, like it's a lot. Like a lot happens. And I love Charles McDougal, who directed it one of our just best, how he uses the camera, how he moves the camera. Like, it's so beautiful.

You know, it's like. really, really up the game in terms of the visuals and the, you know, like in the elevator, it's beautiful. Oh, the elevator's amazing. Can I tell you what I loved? Tell me. Is when Carrie finally calls Big Back and he's in the car and it goes from the driver, but instead of just popping onto his face, it gives you like a, it's like a whip around.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. To the backseat. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's good. It's really good because cars are hard to film in because you don't have a lot of space. Oh, right. No, Charles is going to figure that out. Charles is going to have an idea and he's going to do it.

It's going to be, it's going to take 30 takes, but he's going to do it. It's the big moment. We watched Miranda listen to this message with Carrie over and over again, and she's finally decided to call him back. So that take of like big in the car driving, whip around to him answering. Right. You finally know, like, what did you want? Definitely.

And then he's just such a jerk. Oh, my God. Oh, we love the men who are like a little bit of like dickish kind of. Do you think? I don't love that. I don't love that. You're a healthy woman. Well, I think I've been through it too much, right?

I mean, not this particular version. Like, to me, it's so profoundly ick. Like, if a man said to me after this nonsense that he's put her through and then, and he's told her in a drunken moment at a furniture show with the like, like through a thing. It's not working. Like, get that out of my face. Totally.

And then you call him back after this like dramatic voicemail and you say, what is it? And he says, I thought about what I said and it would cost me too much money. click. I never speak to that person. Get out of my face. I'm done. I'm done. You're like, ew. But then how can you get away from him when he's calling your apartment,

talking to Aiden, and then coming to where you are? No, that's bad. That's stalkerish. It is stalkerish. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that's another thing. When I was watching, I was like, okay, I've had this behavior with a man before. And if this weren't a show, this is alarming behavior.

To show up where I am, and I'm telling you not that I don't want anything to do with you, and you continue, you know, of course, we hear her thoughts. So we know, like, I couldn't, I had to sleep with him. And she says, like, fuck me or whatever. In real life, no, the experiences where it's like, okay, this, this is a toxic man. He just told me he was leaving his wife, then told me he wasn't leaving his wife, then showing up to where I am, you're getting, it's the high highs and the low low. Yeah, I'm not into it.

And the great gestures. Ick. it's hard for me to feel anything but ick though i do feel i feel that sarah jessica and this is like her strength one of her many many strengths really as an actress like things are so real you know they seem so real and so deep so like as much as i mean you know there's part of me i obviously know what's going to happen right and i know they're going to go kiss that elevator but i'm just like ugh like i don't like him like what are you still liking i mean i mean they have the chemistry but she also has the chemistry with it and you know what i'm saying she's just

so good though she's so good and you do feel i do intellectually understand the forbidden you know i get the forbidden but when he's being an ass i'm like boo on the forbidden the forbidden doesn't trump that he's a jerk right and you know but what i've learned throughout time is even with friends i'm like my heart isn't involved yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah no of course as an outsider this behavior. I think you should run. I think it's a world of heartache. Right. But you're going to do what you want. Right. It's true. And the other thing is the unfinished business. The unfinished business to me makes sense and not saying that it's right because like you're only torturing yourself by continuing down the road of the unfinished business that we know is a drama. Right. Like there's

no evidence with big of any kind that it's not going to be a drama. Right. So like she's just willingly subjecting herself to a drama. But if we do go and say, okay, we can look at the Aden relationship and realize that he doesn't really get her. He's not really completely seeing her. She's not giving herself, but also he's not completely seeing even a basic that she works from home when he said, I'm going to redo your floors. Let me do this for you. A nice lady. What does he say like a lovely lady deserves a lovely home or something weird, like kind of traditional journey? And then, you know, he's taking her whole house apart and she's like, I can't work like this. Like, how come he doesn't get that?

You know what I'm trying to say? Right. Like, let me do this. I'll put you up at a hotel. because you're going to, it's going to be messy and noisy. Right. But also, we're talking about the guy who, like, takes her to cabins and things. Like, he doesn't get her at all. Right. And that, to me, makes sense in why you would be going back to the person who I think she felt he got her, right? Even though he was withholding, right? Like, you can feel someone gets you, but then they have their reasons that they're withholding. Those two things can coexist.

I think so, too. Right. So I think that's what it is. that's what makes sense about it when you're watching it other than the fact that you know she is unfinished you know she's still attached you know what I'm saying right and sometimes you can't explain the attachment to somebody exactly exactly there's something that is just it you can't be described right and everyone around you is like make it make sense and you're like I cannot make it make sense you have to like live inside of my body right that's true that's true that's true that's true

and that that's a really really really important thing to remember because you can't ever fully give advice without remembering that there is a whole experience there, a whole lifetime leading up to it for both people, right, and a connection that you're not present for every moment of, you know, you don't really know what goes on. It's interesting. It's interesting. Relationships are super fascinating, which is why the show is good. You know, they write the difficulties of all of it. But let's talk about Stephen Miranda for a second because that's also super fascinating relationship that's at a very different place, but also like so kind of heartbreak right? Because like on the one hand. That one always devastated me. Did it? Well, because I just, I had, and I find Steve very sexy. He's so fucking sexy. I'm shocked. I'm still shocked every time I'm looking back. Never did I understand this at the time. Didn't understand this at the time. I was like, why do they have her with him for so long? I know. I'm sorry everyone who loves Steve. I love him too now. I just didn't fully appreciate him at the time. And Igenberg is such a good, good actor. Like they are so great together. You know? There's,

so different but yet so also connected and emotionally kind of like there's so many layers going on and I felt so bad for her like she's having to kind of be the mom again and he's sleeping on the couch and you know she's got her cat and he's got his dog and then he can't find an apartment and she has to go to him to that horrible horrible apartment which is not that bad no it's pretty bad it's horrible but he says it's not that bad right right right right right right the doorway to hell yes yes and she's so right and it's like green which is also weird awful like it's really bad and any any basement apartment is rough in new york i feel because you are so you feel like you're on the street right like you could hear everyone outside do you know what i mean

yeah and like people might decide to live on your stoop you know what i'm saying like it's like it's stressful man it's stressful to have any even a first floor apartment is stressful in my opinion obviously i'm very spoiled but um but you know like like like that's that's one of my issues with new york is the noise, you know, like, because you're trying to rest. You're trying to get a little rest, you know? Right. And one time I did live, I can't remember. I feel like it was at the beginning of the show.

I did live in a first floor apartment. It was kind of in the back, so there was some relief from the streetness of it all. But like you really are so, you're like barely removed from the street. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, just one step. Like they can't see you. There's a door.

But, I mean, they're right there. Oh, it's stressful. It sounds awful. I know. I know. I know. I mean, New York is great in so many ways, but it just takes a toll. You know, it's like challenging.

And the fact that, I mean, Steve is so, you know, he seems fine. Obviously, he's going to roll with it. He's like, he's like a kid. You know, it's interesting. Really interesting. But also like. He's very refreshing to me. He is refreshing.

And I think he's good for Miranda because I relate to Miranda's, her being so high strung because that's me. Okay. And like when the dog is barking at the door and it's four in the morning. Oh, yeah, yeah. wants to rip his head off because it's like, are you? And that feeling of, oh, I can't get mad at him because he's sleeping through this. Like, he's off with that girl that called.

I know. And that also is so painful that he just moves on so easily. That's the man for you. I know, I know, I know. I don't like that. And also, I feel bad for her. I mean, obviously, we know more is going to happen. A lot more is going to happen.

But, like, when he leaves, it is sad. I feel sad. You know, I felt sad. Well, it is sad. Yeah. Because I think he embraced all of her, her quirkiness. Yeah, he was okay. Like, he never, I mean, he's sad with, like, he wants to adopt that puppy.

He wants to have a baby, and then he's sad that she doesn't want to the baby. And then he wants to adopt the puppy. And then he's like, come on, you know. And she does it. But, like, on the other hand, he's very in love with her, you know, which is nice. It's so nice. And it kind of disarms her, which is nice to see Miranda. to be disarmed, you know?

Oh, it's so nice. Yeah, but then she gets that she gets that thing back up, like, I'm in charge. And it happens quickly. Really quickly. It happens very, very quickly. And I, but I love her because she, I love a woman who sees things for what they are.

Yeah, yeah. And names it. She names it. Yeah, yeah. Calls it out is very vocal. That's who she is, but she's also a lawyer. Yep. And Steve's actually a really good guy.

Oh, he's a great guy. this is why she attracted a really good guy definitely definitely which is hopeful it's a very hopeful yes like i think that's why it's sad too because that there's so much hope there but obviously we know that they're going to continue yes many different ways you haven't seen everything that happens i don't think but you know many things happen many many things happen it's hard to keep up with it's true it's up and down and sometimes i don't remember all of it either because it's a lot it's a lot we really pack it in but it's believable. It's believable. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's not like a soap opera where you're like, yeah. No, you're like, well, that doesn't happen. No, no one's turning into the devil and talk about this. Oh, God. Jesus. Wow. Thank God. That's days of our lives. My mom made me watch it. It was a snowy day in December and it traumatized me. Gosh. Okay. Yeah. I remember vividly watching days of our lives with that happening. So no. I don't remember that. I don't like that.

Hi, I'm Dr. Priyankawali. And I'm Hurricane DeBolu. It's a new year. And on the podcast's Health Stuff, we're resetting the way we talk about our health. Which means being honest about what we know, what we don't know, and how messy it can all be. I like to sleep in late and sleep early. Is there a chronotype for that or am I just depressed? We talk to experts who share real experiences and insight.

You just really need to find where it is that you can have. an impact in your own life and just start doing that. We break down the topics you want to know more about. Sleep, stress, mental health, and how the world around us affects our overall health. We talk about all the ways to keep your body in mind, inside and out, healthy. We human beings, all we want is connection. We just want to connect with each other. Health stuff is about learning, laughing, and feeling a little less alone.

Listen on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I'm Ed Zittron of the Better Offline Podcast, and I want you to join me at this year's Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas, Nevada, starting January 6th through January 10th, 2026. We're doing 10 radio-style podcast episodes about the world's biggest tech conference, and we're going to dig into the latest and weirdest gadgets, gizmos, and horrible AI gear that the tech industry is desperate to sell you, all while covering the biggest stories in Silicon Valley as the AI bubble threatens to burst. I'll be joined by David Roth, Chloe Radcliffe, Adam Conover, Corey Doctoro, Edon Gweso Jr., Robert Evans,

and an incredible cast of the greatest talent in the tech media. With over 18 hours of interviews, commentary and bizarre stories, all told from the Better Offline Popup Studio connected to its own open bar. Today I did five hours of back-to-back panels on artificial intelligence. It included a number of great moments, including an entire room full of people, laughing about people losing their jobs due to artificial intelligence. Will we make it out alive?

There's only one way to find out. Tune in starting January 6th through January 10th, 2026, and listen to the literal best tech podcast ever recorded. Listen to Better Offline on the IHot Radio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you happen to get your podcasts. Are you desperately hoping for change in 2026, but feeling stuck? Just spinning your wheels and old routines and bad habits? I'm Dr. Lari Santos, and in a new year series of my show, The Happiness Lab, I'm going to look at the science of getting, well, unstuck, unstuck at work, unstuck in your relationships, and even unstuck inside your mind.

I am the absolute worst culprit when it comes to getting into these ruminative loops and just driving myself crazy. We'll look at ways to reignite your sense of purpose, rediscover your values, and get more creative. We'll also explore how to design a life that feels more fulfilling. It's sort of like the game of life. I don't know if you ever played that game. Oh my gosh, yes. You take the car along and you try and get money, and you try and get degrees,

and you try and get to the end where either you have a mansion or a ranch or a shack. And once you get to retirement, you're done. What about the whole path along the way? So join me to get unstuck in 2026. Listen to the Happiness Lab on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your shows. You know, we always say New Year, New Me, but real change starts on the inside. It starts with giving your mind and your spirit the same attention you give your goals. Hey, everybody, it's Michelle Williams, host of checking in on the Black Effect Podcast Network.

And on my podcast, we talk mental health, healing, growth, and everything you need to step into your next season, whole and empowered. New Year, Real You. Listen to checking game with Michelle Williams from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Now, we haven't really talked that much about Charlotte because one of the things we haven't talked about. about is Bunny, Tray's mom, Frances Dernhagen, rest in peace, an incredible actress, an incredible person. She's just so good. She's so good.

Oh, my God. She's just so good. And she's very not like this character. Really? Yeah. She lived in Connecticut. She had land. She's been working forever, you know, on Broadway, all different things.

She would come in in her burk and stock and her, like, gardening hat basically, like, dirty from the garden. I love her. I love her. made into Bunny, you know. And then she was just a sweetheart, just so sweet. But also like not precious about anything, just like fun, you know, really, really fun. And they're so good together, Kyle and she, Trey and Bunny.

I know. I know. I mean, it is kind of like we've just started with that relationship, right? So Charlotte's definitely taking it in and trying to learn from her and obviously wants her approval and everything. We don't really know how weird things you're going to get at this point. You know what I'm saying? It's weird.

Yeah, it gets weird. But the thing that I love, too, is that, and we'll see when we actually get to those episodes. But, like, it's, the vibe is weird. Nothing horrible happens, except when she's sitting next to him in the bathtub. That's weird. But it's, like, still got the veneer of like,

oh, they're just, you know, close, quirky. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's not too weird. No, but the vibe is weird. But even because, and I don't know if this is how it was supposed to play, but when you guys are at lunch, the first time Bunny puts her arm on tray, you clock it with it as it feels weird, strange.

Oh, but I'm learning. But then the second time it happens, your face shows me that you're like, oh, I just learned a little bit of a manipulation tactic. Yeah, definitely, because we've never really seen Charlotte try to manipulate anything at this point. Do you know what I mean? No, but you're getting the ring come hell or high water. Definitely, that's right.

I've had the books. I've had the this. I've had that. I've tried to hang out with my married friends, whatever. I've tried to do all these different things. And now I'm like, well, okay, I'm going to try to figure this dude out by his mom, which is interesting. Yeah, she knows him best. Yeah, for sure, for sure.

And the thing that I thought about also, because I've never, I had never talked to Kyle about any of this until he came on. Because back then, I just wasn't ever asking anybody like, what do you think, you know, whatever? I don't know. You know, it's just in it. We're in it, right? Yeah. He, you know, because he is Kyle McLaughlin, the actor, and obviously I had watched him on Twin Peaks. I don't know you were, you were really young, but I mean, you know.

know, incredible character, incredible actor, but always kind of covered. He has like a cover to his, to his face, to his way that he is, you know? And he thought when they first called him for, for Trey, that he was going to get to play like a normal guy, like a regular surgeon, you know, preppy, normal guy. And then they told him like, oh, yeah, and you have, you know, some sexual dysfunction. And you're very close with your mom. And he was like, darn it. But what I think he brings, which is so interesting, is you aren't quite sure.

Like when he starts saying already all the time, you're like, but what does he really want? You know, it's interesting. And I don't know what I'm going to think is I keep watching. Like, what does he really want? I don't know for sure, you know? Yeah. Did you think that? It's almost like he goes into a trance.

Anytime someone touches his arm that way. Yeah. Because you're like, why don't you have the. tomato with basil it's sweeter and he was like all right and then when it appears he acts like it's the most gorgeous thing it would like it's like a piece of art right you're I don't

I think men who have mothers like bunny there are moments where you still see that mama's boy where like they sort of need guidance and direction maybe yeah I mean we're gonna see where it goes right like because I don't

I don't I don't know because also for me when I'm rewatching it like because I was with Kyle in life right acting right yeah it's so hard to separate you know what I'm saying yeah because you're with the person 18 hours a day doing the stuff you know and you spend more time not not between action and cut that's like the small amount of time right and the writing is so good that the writing you know carries you through that part right and you're just trying to be connected to the person which was super easy to be connected to Kyle because he's just a dream like an always like as an actor as a person you know in all ways he's super sweetheart like so easy incredibly easy to work with and fun you know like

doesn't take it too seriously but is totally professional like interesting combinations that you don't always get you know right um like yes sometimes actors are i don't know who I should name or not name, but certain actors in the show, not my actors, but other actors, big personalities, right? Where, like, you're trying to kind of get them to do what is written. Do you know what I'm trying to say? Oh, they want to go off script and have their own team? That's not really allowed here, right?

In our world, you can't go off script, right? But, like, their personalities are just so huge and charismatic, incredibly charismatic, and big personalities. And then you're trying to get them to just do what you wrote, you know? but they're bringing all that with him, which is what makes it so great, but also you kind of have to manage it a little bit. You know, Kyle, no managing.

He's just in the groove. He knows what he's doing. You know, he might ask questions or whatever. You know what I'm saying? But he's just so professional and great. That's largely, so you can have fun, is what I'm saying, kind of. Like, it's just fun and easy, so easy.

I do also think that was really the first time. Oh, I forgot. I mean, on Melrose, I was on Melrose for a year working with Andrew Shoe, who had been a soccer player before he was on Melrose, right? So he wasn't really like an actor, actor. You know what I'm saying? Right.

So it was, it was, I was always like, you know, let's act. You know what I mean? And he was like, he was like, please, please don't suggest any blocking. And I was like, why not? What do you mean? Like, Kyle's not like that. Kyle's like, yeah, what do you want to do? Like, let's do that.

Yeah, like, great, let's do that. let's ask for that you know he's just easy it makes it fun you don't know what i'm saying once the fun is gone what are you doing totally and i mean sometimes sometimes to get good work you might not have fun right so you kind of have to surrender to that as an actor like each situation is different each actors different each actress is different right and so sometimes it might not be fun but the work might be great right and that's okay because the work is what really matters you feel like he was he was a he was a well-balanced actor yes he could come and do his job make it fun but everyone got to go home on time

and it was like... Oh, we never went home on time but it had nothing to do with him. That's not how we roll. We do not go home on time. If there's time in the day, we will continue to do angles and takes and, you know, like I said,

like when we, the first, one of the first things I remember about Charles McDougal was we go to Bergdorf and I'm looking at China with Kyle and I'm flipping this plate. He brought a crane into Bergdorf, like up on the upper, floor and he had this shot that he wanted to do where you would actually see the pattern of the china and then i would flip the plate and you would see who made it because that's what i'm saying

in the scene 36 takes i remember doing 36 takes of just flipping the plate well he'd flip the plate and then he'd paned back and the scene would start so that would be the master you'd call it and then you just are in the master where you're getting the whole yeah whole scene and then you cut into close-ups right so it's just a couple seconds really but he wanted it to be amazing And it was, but I mean, that's 36 takes. No, no, no. This is when we really started to get the money. Yeah, it was incredible.

But it was fun because, like, it's a challenge. You don't know what I'm trying to say? Because you're having to flip the plate just right, but also be in the scene and be, you know, do your lines and be good and whatever. You know what I mean? And also in this scene, sorry, this episode is when we're walking on the street to Tiffany's. That was also really fun because he was on a long lens, which is what makes it look like a film.

Yeah. Rather than like a super short lens where they're really close. close on you. He's on a long lens blocks away. And he would put Kyle and I like five blocks away and he'd say just walk. And so there's a few extras right close to us, but the rest are like people in New York City. Yeah. And then he'd just be like walk. And I'd be like, Kyle, do you think we're on our marks? Do you think we're in the frame? You'd be like, I don't know. Let's just walk. So you don't even know if you're in the frame, right? Wait, so those are people just walking through New York City? Yeah, some of them. Yeah. And so what they would do if you ended up being in a

take that we liked is at the end, they would get you to sign a release. They would say like, oh, you just walked through our scene, could you sign a release if that's okay? You know what I mean? But then the people closest to us would be extra so that they would keep walking and not just stop or whatever. You know what I'm trying to say?

Yeah, I don't stop the scene. But then, and then we walk up to the really cool shot through the window. So he's in Tiffany's filming through the window at us because I think at the time we couldn't film in Tiffany's. They could film at Tiffany's, right? But they didn't want us to come in and film.

And that reminds me of, I know you haven't seen the end of just like that. Sarah Jessica and I go in Tiffany's but we had to go in really early before it opened and we had to be out at a certain time so we were rushed just like so rushed but we did it and it was magical to be filming inside Tiffany's obviously

yeah it was it was amazing but back in the day we couldn't afford and or get to be inside so he had to be creative about framing us in the Tiffany window which was so beautiful it worked out I love because and then Carrie's voiceover talks about

that was going to be the story I tell right which is so Charlotte and she said all righty I know I know I know yeah the already really takes over that was like oh my gosh who says that right was now going to be your response totally which I think is great but obviously they don't last so I don't get to tell that story but that's okay and then you go into another relationship where it's like I this is not how the story is supposed to go in my head I know but it works out it does work It's all about having to roll with it. Yeah. Yeah, which is super important.

All right, wait. Very important question that I sometimes forget, but I think we already know some of the answer. Okay. So you've already said that you love Miranda and you recognize Miranda and yourself. At this stage of my life, I would say I'm mostly a Miranda. Mostly a Miranda?

Okay, so is there any Charlotte in Lala Kent? I feel not right now. Okay. That's cool. I totally just lied to you. Okay. The being in my head and how I picture things going. Okay.

And that will never leave. Right. Right. That's just who I am by nature. Right. I was like, no, the wind wasn't supposed to blow this hard today. Oh no. That's hard.

My whole day is thrown off. Oh, no. That's funny. But sometimes I think that that, sometimes I think that quality can really serve you well in life and that like you're trying to create, like it's a creative form. do you know what I mean like I never tried to deny that part of myself that's good because obviously looking at the way my life has been and that piece of me has been with me since I was a child and I think my daughter Sosa who's 15 months now has that same oh great yeah and I'm like

you know what I find it to be something that served me so I don't need to I don't need to try and fix this and alter it absolutely absolutely so you have your On Traditionally Lala podcast. And so that's on right now. That airs every Wednesday and a bonus episode comes out on Mondays. Cool. And then here. The second podcast is coming.

Yes. Tell us. So I started a podcast with my friend Amber Childers. It's called an unlikely affair. And although there's nuance to our relationship, but I won't bore you with that. Oh, no, I'm not boring. Long story short, she was the wife and I was the mistress. Incredible.

And I still stand by, I did not know. And maybe had I been sober at that point in time, I would have not painted red flags green. Doesn't matter. It is what it is. So this person didn't tell you I'm married. This person said we are separated. Oh, got it.

This happened so much. And I actually found out that after I had left him, I got a text message of a screenshot. And it was between Amber and someone she was dating at the time. And it said, from Amber, I am no longer going to be able to see you because I've decided to give my marriage another shot. And so I learned like, oh, oh, I was very much in the dark about a lot of things.

So anyway, after I had ended my relationship with the person we had in common, I called her and made an amends. And we've just gotten so close. That's so nice. The timing is perfect. Yeah. And she's really helped me through a lot of rough times that she's been through. And I offer her support when she needs me.

And it's just an untraditional relationship. I love it so much. Yeah, it'll be a lot of fun. That's so great. I love to hear about women coming together. And I do think so many people have been through situations where they're not told the whole truth. And then people tend to blame the women, which I think is unfair. Because how do we know?

We can't see through everything. Right. We don't know when people are manipulating on. sides? No, you don't. And it's really, it's just such an uncommon bond. You hear about people, you know, going their separate ways, getting remarried and all is good and they're like one big happy family. It is very rare that someone is the wife and the mistress and those two end up. No, it's so great. She was like, I feel like you should have just had an affair with me. I was like, yeah, I feel the same way. You're much better looking, Amber. That's so nice. That's so,

Oh, so nice. And so what is going to be the topic? Like, what are you guys going to talk about? We're going to talk about co-parenting. We're going to talk about dating at this age, sex, what that looks like at our age. Her kids are older than mine. But again, they share a dad. And just parenting tips and what our kids have in common, what it's like to raise kids in the social media world. And like, nothing is going to be. off limits. Amazing. I know that so many podcasts are like, we're unfiltered and unapologetic, but this is very much a podcast where it's raw and I'm just so excited. It's spicy and sexy and the dynamic is very different than most podcasts out there. Cool. Very nice. I can't wait. I can't wait to listen. I'm super curious. Yay. Thank you. You're welcome. I'm so excited. Thank you for joining us. Thank you for having me. You're super interesting. I don't know about it. that, but I had the best time with you.

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