Are You A Charlotte? - Lip Service with Lena Waithe… (S3 E5 "No Ifs, Ands or Butts")

Episode Date: November 19, 2025

Is Aiden trying to control Carrie  or does he genuinely want the best for her? It’s a debate that has been raging for 25 years!  Is Aiden actually the better boyfriend.  Is he better than Big? Plus, the kiss that left its mark on Charlotte was based on Kristin’s real life — hear the story!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Part 2 of Are You a Charlotte, rewatching, no ifs, ands, or buts. All right, now, we have not talked about all the different things. Let's talk a little bit more because, you know, we like talk about the macro here. I love that about you. But I wanted to get your point of view on Aiden and Carrie. But Aiden especially, because obviously at the time that Aiden showed up, he was like the anti-big. Yes. Right?

And when I see his little baby face. I know, you're a little, like, cheeks. my God. His hair. I mean, just so adorable. And he was always wearing what he wanted. I just want to go on record about this. Because people really criticized what he wore and just like that. And I was at his fitting. I had pulled out some things. I had a fitting right before him. And they were like, John is coming. I was like, oh, these clothes are beautiful. So I pulled out all the beautiful things. I put them together. Like I was picking outfits for Corbett. Right. And he got there. And he was like, no. And I was like, okay. All right. I'm leaving. Goodbye. Right. And I left Molly with him. And he wanted that narrow jacket thing. that's what he wanted to wear, right? And then everybody was like, why did Molly Rogers put him in that? She did not put him in that, right? Like when he was wearing the double gene in the beginning, that is Corbett. Canadian suit, yeah.

Right? With the rings. Yeah, the turquoise. This is Corbett, right? No one put that on him. Well, they're trying to, he is supposed to be like, isn't he like a Midwestern type guy? Does he ever say? I mean, he doesn't say right away.

Maybe he doesn't say right away. Maybe he doesn't say that. I don't know, because remember he had been on Northern Exposure. Okay. That was how we knew him. exposure. I remember that show. I mean, what I liked is the voiceover is that he's very all American. Right. So he's also something

a bit out of a Ralph Lauren ad. You know? If you think about it, they're wearing the denim on denim and the turquoise jewelry as well. And he's got his longer hair. Yeah, he's got the dog. He's a little baby face and the dog who wants to hump carry's leg. Of course. He makes furniture. He literally makes furniture. Which is so dreamy.

A chair that lives in the show long past him. Forever. I had forgotten all of this. His chair survives him. I I think, you know, I think I love the introduction of that character. I love how they introduce him. It was good. I love that she says she has a crush.

I love that she has to, there's always going to be a conflict. So I love that she has to choose between him and cigarettes. And I even Googled. I said, how addictive are cigarettes? And I just Googled it because I'm not a smoker. I don't smoke cigarettes. But I said, how addictive are they? I mean, yeah, they're as addictive as heroin and, like, you know, like all other kind

of hard drugs. So you really feel for her, you know, trying to figure that out. She's all jittery and everything. Right. But what I do appreciate is that she's willing to say, you know what? And I love the girls, too, are like, we all hate it. We all hate that you smoke. I like that scene.

I like that scene a lot. I forgot about that. We're like, he's right. Yeah, like we put up with it because we love you. Like, that's so rare. Yeah. That we're like some guy we've never met. We're like, yes, you should listen to him.

Well, but it's not even listen. It's more about it's not a great habit. No, it's tough. Absolutely. I thought that's what's so great about that argument. is, because you can say, oh, he's being controlling, and that's something I can say, or he's trying to say, yo, it's not healthy. Definitely, absolutely.

I mean, I feel like. And also, if anybody's ever kissed somebody who just smoked a cigarette. I'm with you. I mean. That's what's so funny to me when she, so she gets the cigarette out and he goes, oh, we have a problem. And then she's like, what? She thinks it's about that she lied that she was a designer, right, to get the discount on

the chair. But it's not. It's a cigarette. And he goes, you know, I can't date a smoker. And then she's like, oh, I'll just put it away. She goes, she turned her back. Then she turns back to him. she's taking a puff and then he kisses her and then he goes and she it doesn't even

occurred her that she took a puff yeah and I think some of that is the 90s New York like everybody was just smoking right like when you see the first season and she goes to that book party of the Justin um what's his name um thank you Thoreau's character like he plays two writers do you remember this and he played two different writers his first writer's like kind of an ick like um oh now I'm going to say a name but I shouldn't say a name he's like one of those, like, you know, super cool, young guy writers. And every one of that party is smoking. That's what I remember.

Yeah. You know, and like on our set, everybody would smoke. So we'd be in that small, like the soundstage at Silver Cup, I feel like the ceiling was this low. And like our first AD would smoke, like a chimney, sir, Jessica was smoking. There was just a cloud of smoke, do you know what I mean? Like all night long, you're just in there. You'd be like, I got to go outside to breathe.

Whoa. Yeah, it was a lot. Throwback. I know. A decade ago, I was on the trail of one of the country's most elusive serial killers, but it wasn't until 2023 when he was finally caught. The answers were there, hidden in plain sight. So why did it take so long to catch him?

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Oh, I think Aiden is actually quite old-fashioned. In a good way? Yeah, I mean, I think, just in many ways, I don't know if it's good or bad, you know, but I think, and obviously I love, obviously I started, it's Netflix, so the next episode begins and, you know, you just kind of let it roll a little bit. Yes. But I do love the episode where he waits to have sex with Carrie. I've forgotten about that. Yeah. Very interesting.

And she's a little like, what is happening? Yeah. And I think that to me, again, what's cool about Sex and the City is that, you know, that's why I don't get too concerned about the politics. around certain things because it's more about how do I age with the show rather than how does the show age. Interesting. Because for me, you know, in my early 40s now and watching a character say, you know what, I want to hold off on like just jumping in the bear right away. I want to really continue to get to know you. I want to make sure we have a foundation. That's something now that you can look at and go, oh, I relate to this. I understand the idea of not centering sex

in a relationship. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it shows his maturity. and that he's like, look, I've done the, we have sex early, and it hasn't quite worked out. And so he's like, I want this to work. And I love that she is like, huh, now I'm like nervous to have sex because there's an investment. Definitely. And I just sort of think that, and also, you know, well, Aiden, I'm talking about Aiden later too. Like when he, there's a breakup, obviously, and then he comes back and there's a willingness to forgive. There's a willingness to keep trying.

and but I also think because look I'm childless by choice and I think some Aiden was very determined to be a father and we see how that choice affects his life later with Carrie

and and sometimes it can be frustrated because you're like okay your kids are practically grown like they're their own people how much micromanaging do you need to do again you have to have conflicts at the TV show not complaining but I do think there's this idea

If he hadn't been so concerned with being a father, he might have been able to be a better partner and a more, you know, free version of himself. That's so interesting. I like that so much. Yeah. I mean, I'm going to, I'm going to, now that I'm back in the old Aden, right? Yeah, no, we're early Aiden, early Aden, early Aiden with that little, little baby face of his is so adorable. And he is so different. And just the energy that he brings is so different.

Oh, yeah. It's a very, it's specific and interestingly different. Yeah, he's a bit of a hippie and, you know, free spirit. He's got a strength. Very grounded. Yeah. Very comfortable in his skin. Yes.

Yeah. Which is so nice for her. Oh, absolutely. She, like, he wants her to meet his parents and she's all like, what? Right. So it's that thing of, I love how he's offering, obviously, everything big didn't. And what I really appreciate about the different. between the two is that big as who women, one,

Aidan's almost like the person you need. Definitely. And so you, because Aden's concerned about her health. Right. Big is like, I smoke too. Definitely. Big's like, I'm not really trying to commit. And she's like, well, that's frustrating.

And Aiden's like, how about I buy the apartment next to us? We break down that wall and make this our home. Right. And she's like, what? You know, so it does kind of push, you know, carry or a woman to ask themselves, wait a minute, what do I actually want? Right.

Because the thing I said I want, I'm now kidding. And I'm like running from it. Right, right, right, right. And that is something I'm so fascinated by. Me too, and it's so real. It's so real. So real. Because she literally is having a panic attack with the wedding gown,

with him coming through the wall. And it's like she can't keep a track of his dog for enough time. Oh, that's such a good episode. It's just sort of like, Carrie. And I think that's the, it's interesting because it's a question I ask in my work on the page and also in life a lot is what do you actually want and I think you know in life in a relationship in your career and I think people are almost afraid to say it out loud because then you can't you can't unsay it that's true and and once you put it out there and also you have to

ask yourself is this what I want or is this what I've been taught to want right is this what my parents want right or is this what society is telling me I should want. Right. Is this what my friends want? Yeah. Or is this what I actually want? Yeah.

And I think we as individuals have to really decipher what is what. Right. Because you've been fed something your whole life, particularly if you're a woman, particularly if you have a certain class, if you're a woman of color, because a lot of time you're raised to be straight, you're raised to be of a certain religion, you're raised to make money, you're raised to be successful. Yes. And we don't even have our own definitions of what success is.

definitions of what success is. Yeah, what is success. Yeah. And so, and that's why I even say it goes back to like, how do we handle this? I'm like, you handled it the best way you could at the time. I mean, that's true. That's true. I guess for me, I, you know, because I'm in it, right?

I was in it then and I always want us to, I guess sometimes when I watch it, I'm like, wow, it's so great. And it's so much better than I remembered. Sometimes I feel that, right? Which is, of course, so rewarding and amazing. And then sometimes I'm like, I don't know, I know the idea maybe, but I don't know exactly how that got, how that got fleshed out. You don't know what I'm saying. Well, as a person who's on the other side of it where we're writing, a lot of times we're under in terms of like, who knows what kind of stress. So stress.

Or an actor can't do a thing. No, that's true. Of course. And we're trying to do this. And we have to do it quickly. We have to lose a scene. And, you know, and oftentimes with TV people don't realize it's quick. Like you have to hurry up and turn the script around.

It's true. Especially this third season, we did like 20-something or whatever. And we were, you know, it was like kind of the end of that era in a way. Right. Like I don't think after that we ever did that many. I think we did a lot for the season, but not that many. And I think it, HBO very rarely said that much to us. So it wasn't so much that, though I know obviously normally do have notes and different things.

Right. But I think also, and I'm curious your thoughts on this, you know, the way that we're, living now the way that we're able to immediately critique everything online and everything is kind of like open season open season and compounded right so like if someone starts complaining about something everyone kind of jumps on that bandwagon right in a way where they somehow feel community with each other mob mentality community right what do you make of that in terms of what we do for living well I think here's the deal as artists We, if a bomb isn't chasing you, you're not doing your job.

Wow. Love it. I'm going to try to remember this. Art isn't meant to be kind or to coddle. It's a good point. It's a good point. It's a good point. A lot of the art that I, that has changed me or has pushed me to want to be a better artist often comes in a very uncomfortable, uneasy packages.

And there's no right or wrong way to handle. sensitive content or material. I think also, I think the real test is not where a piece of art sits right now, but how we examine it 10 years from now or 20 years from now. And I think the reason why you can do a podcast about the show is because it's still relevant. Absolutely. It's such a gift. It's amazing. It's amazing. But who knew then? We didn't really know. Because that's how it goes. Right. You know what I love what you said too. You say, oh, when when Carrie wound up with big, people were outraged. And when she wound up alone, people were outraged.

It's so true. It's so true. So the truth is, an artist has to do what feels right to them in that moment. Right, right, right. A decade ago, I was on the trail of one of the country's most elusive serial killers. But it wasn't until 2023 when he was finally caught. The answers were there, hidden in place. plain sight. So why did it take so long to catch him? I'm Josh Zeman, and this is Monster,

hunting the Long Island serial killer, the investigation into the most notorious killer in New York since the son of Sam, available now. Listen for free on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcasts. Hey there, Dr. Jesse Mills here. I'm the director of the men's clinic at UCLA Health, and I want to tell you about my new podcast called The Mailroom. And I'm Jordan, the show's producer. And like a lot of guys, I haven't been to the doctor in many years. I'll be asking the questions we probably should be asking, but aren't. Because guys usually don't go to the doctor unless a piece of their face is hanging off or they've broken a bone. Depends which bone. Well, that's true. Every week, we're breaking down the unique world of men's health,

from testosterone and fitness to diets and fertility and things that happen in the bedroom. You mean sleep? Yeah, something like that, Jordan. We'll talk science without the jargon and get real answers to the stuff you actually wonder about. It's going to be fun, whether you're 27, 97, or somewhere in between. Men's Health is about more than six packs and supplements. It's about energy, confidence, and connection. We don't just want you to live longer. We want you to live better.

So check out the mailroom on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your favorite shows. On an all-new episode of IHeartRadios Las Culturistas, Emmy, Golden Globe, and Tony Award winner, Sarah Paulson spills on red carpet hacks. We saw these pictures and you're like, what is the story with this? She gets real about the inspiration behind her roles. Oh, no, there is no end to how people will behave. And she puts host Matt Rogers and Bowen-Yag on notice.

I don't think so, honey. I feel very, very triggered by this. Open your free IHeart Radio app. Search Las Culturista. And listen to the full podcast now. On this week's episode of the next chapter, I, D.D. Jakes, get to sit down with Oprah Winfrey, a media mogul philanthropist and global trailblazer.

My life, although it may look like an anomaly, it has only been possible because I was obedient to the calls. This episode dies deep into how Oprah turned pain into purpose and what it really means to evolve with everybody watching. Every decision I have ever made has come from sitting with the spirit and asking God, what would you have me do first? Whether you're rebuilding, reimagining, or just trying to hold it together, this one will speak directly to you. Listen to the next chapter on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast, episodes drop weekly. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, and I'm the host of the On Purpose podcast. Recently, I had the honor of

sitting down with the iconic Chris Jenner. You never quite know what or where life is going to lead you and where it's going to be the best lesson you ever learned and not get distracted by the noise. This is a lot of noise. Even if one of your children has been through something really difficult with their partner or an ex-partner, you still love them as part of the unit and the family.

These are, in most cases, the fathers of my grandchildren. I love these men. and that love doesn't go away when we experience really challenging times with them. Compassion is key into really feeling what somebody might be going through, even though you don't agree with them. If you once love them, then love is love. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,

or wherever you get your podcasts. I mean, the kissing, all I remember is this. It was Nicole Holofsner. Do you know her? I mean, I know of her, yes. Yeah, yeah. She would come, I don't know how we got her to do so many episodes because she was always trying to do her own films, right? I mean, she's a great filmmaker, yeah.

Yeah, exactly. But we would just steal her in between. And she was so funny and kind of light about it all. But also, sometimes she would just give crazy direction. And I remember her telling that guy, whose name I could never remember we would run into him and Cynthia would be there's that guy. I'd be like, which one?

You're like, the one who leaked your face, he's over there. I'd be like, oh, my God, what's his name? We could look up his name right now. But I just remember standing. That was before I married Carl, so I hadn't moved to Park Avenue. So I'm actually on Central Park West at an apartment building that I actually looked for an apartment in, not realizing it was Charlotte's apartment building. Whoa, this is very meta. So meta.

And I was like, oh, God, I can't live here. Like, it's too much. Too much if I was just going to work out the door with that. That frilly ironwork. I was like, this door looks familiar. And they were like, yeah, you filmed here. I was like, oh, this was the door. So sorry.

Got a bad kiss at. And a number of other things, I think. Like other men have been standing at that door with me. Uh-huh. I was prolific in the beginning. Yeah, you were. Trying to find the husband. I know.

And just, just sampling all kind of different people. So wait, was it, is it, no, Brad the bad yet, Ross Gibby. Okay. Is it Ross Gibby? Say, in real life, he's like, I'm not that bad. I'm sure he's not. Nicole was just like liquor, liquor, and I would just be like, ah. But it works, though.

It was hard to watch it. It works. Yeah, because you're like, yeah, man, that's bad. It was bad. And you needed to be that bad. With coaching, though, I thought was nice because you were always trying to. I liked it. You were really trying to get the guys to.

I was like, just, come on. Let me help. Yeah, just, just. I like that, though. Me too. I don't get you not giving up on the guys or straight away. No, I agree. The girls are, like, dump him, let him go.

You're like, hold on. I'm like, over at that kiss? Because he does seem really nice. We never see him other than when he's like my face. But previous to that, in real life, I had, there's a guy, and he had a prominent chin, and I had gone to work with like a rug burn on my chin. Wow. You know when you just really kissed a lot? Okay.

I've never had rug burn on my chin, though. Good point. Okay. But you know, when you've kissed. a lot, right? Sure. Yeah, and it's fun. Yeah.

Yeah, for sure, for sure, for sure. It was like that. But I had like a, like a scrape on my chin. Like a kid would get it. They fell down. Wow. Yeah. And it was fun.

It was worth it. But then it was bad at work. Oh. To the point where I think they had to go in in post and fix it. Really? Yeah. What season was this? It was, it's the really embarrassing.

It's second season. It's when the old man, the sex, Charlotte has a guy who falls to sleep while she's having sex with him and so she gets the girls to go with her to a workshop given by this older lady who demonstrates on her husband Right and that's when like that episode I had like a scab on my chin Wow And I sit in the episode like this

Oh see So then Michael Patrick had me sit in the coffee shop Of the kissing With my you don't see it for the longest time. So I'm listening. I'm listening. I'm listening. And then I take my hand out of there like, wow. It was very, it was him writing in something from life, which is bad behavior on his part. I mean, I do it too. Do you? Everything is copy. Come on. We all descendants of Norah Ephron. We just want to put it all in there. That is the goal. So embarrassing.

Real life is better than fiction. That's true. That's true. Sometimes it is. But it's so embarrassing when you have to play something that was your own thing, which another time that that happened. I did a play about people wrongfully convicted and put on death row. And it was all based on true stories. And we were downtown off Broadway. And this interviewer came down to interview me for the New York Times. I was so excited. Right. And they take your picture like there, not a photo shoot like while you're rehearsing, right? And when that piece came out in the New York Times, there was like a smudge of my upper lip and it looked like a Hitler little mustache. So Michael Patrick wrote it in for my engagement.

pictures. Do you remember this? Where I like open the paper and I'm like, oh yeah. That was from real life. Oh, wow. You can't tell him anything. I know it. He'll use it. Right? But that's what good writers do. I know, but we learned that. And so then if he'd walk over, we'd be like, so stop talking, stop talking.

Because it'll get in there. Right. And then we told everybody that was always the writers, which usually it was the writers, right? For sure. They're in there. Yeah. But occasionally it would be a, so when that, but the thing that was funny was that Nicole's direction to the guy was like liquor, how would I get a rug burn from the tongue? I don't

think that would happen. I just feel like there is a frame where he's legit sucking on your chin that I witnessed. Do you feel like I'd have like an open wound from that? It didn't bother you? Okay. It didn't, but it's very given TV. A TV version. Yes, yes, yes. So I'm not that bumped. A TV on the street even. Like we're on the street. True. What could we be doing? True. Yeah, not even inside.

Yeah, and also I got my actual rug burn from like a lot of kissing right not a bad kisser a really good kisser right I'm saying so there were some some similarities so it's all kind of real it is all kind of real it is all kind of real because obviously we've all kissed a bad kisser right I'm grateful to not have had that experience really I think that's because it's women and women are generally I think we don't like to make generalizations I haven't I don't know if I can like confirm that I mean. But I've never had, no, a bad experience.

That's nice. Yeah. That's nice. That's nice. Yeah. This is me promoting women. This is what they say. They're like, Elena.

I love it. I love it. Please, go ahead. Go ahead. I'm like ladies. As you brought up earlier, it is something more people are now considering in the face of. Look, because what is straight even? It's a good point.

Like, we're all humans having a human experience. Absolutely. Don't let gender get in the way of your. Oh, and that's the Miranda storyline. Yeah. Don't let it get in the way. No. Be open-minded.

Be open. You'll live a better life. That's absolutely true. I'm a testament to that. I think I am too in my own way. Hello. Yes. Yeah, you don't have to be.

Still work in progress. We all are. Yes. You don't have to be partnered. You don't have to have to have children. You don't have to get married. You don't have to do a lot of things society tells you to do. That's right.

Lena. Christy. Oh, he's such a joy. We want you every week. Come on. We love it so much. You're amazing. You're amazing.

Thank you for having me back. Thank you for having me back. I'm just so honored that you're my second repeat. My first repeat, you're my second, you know. You're my first person to come twice. First person to come a second time. And rightly so. You should have a place of honor.

Look, I'm honored. You know, I studied this show. I studied it in real time. I continue to study it. I know it. It's a joy. It's a joy. And it's a time capsule for us.

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