Are You A Charlotte? - Michael Urie discovered Sex and the City thanks to this Oscar Winner... (S4 E14 "All The Glitters")

Episode Date: June 19, 2026

Shrinking fan favorite Michael Urie is spot on with all his takes from "All The Glitters." He's shocked by Samantha's behavior and flabbergasted by the fried chicken. Plus, Michael reveals the Oscar-winning actress who introduced him to Sex and the City.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We filmed it the summer of 2001. You know. Whoa, before 9-11. Yeah. Right? Because you guys were in the middle of all that. Yeah. How old were you that year?

I was, I turned, I was born in 1980. So I turned 21. Wow. Like a month before 9-11. Oh my God. And where were you? I was in New York. Oh my God.

You were there. I was in New York. What do you remember that summer? I remember New York being. like this year New York like the sex in the city New York was like my first beginning of my New York because that was season four right right this this air this this air so what what they did and I'm trying to get to the bottom of it even Michael Patrick doesn't know exactly why we filmed 18 episodes we had wrapped September 9th I want to say like two days before I was flying no no

we'd wrap like maybe four days before I had a photo shoot and then I was flying on September 11th. I was trying to fly. It didn't go well. And our episodes had been airing every week. And then they had decided for some reason to stop in August, hold six for January. I want to say. Oh, quite a while.

Yes. Like to split the seasons. And I think that was because they didn't have a sopranos. I think that's why. Because they used to have a plan where we'd come on in June and I think the sopranos would come on in the fall. Oh, I see. Right, but I think they didn't have them to come on. Or maybe the sparras would come on in the winter.

I don't know, something. Something had gone awry with their little plans. So, like the episode right before this, 413, came on in January, even though we filmed it in the summer. So the sixth that came on in January end with Iheart New York, which is the episode we had filmed right before 9-11, but everyone thought we'd filmed after. Because Michael changed the voice over a little bit. Because it was supposed to be about the fall and things changed. And it's dedication, right? Yes.

Yeah, yeah. Right. Yes, yes. But we had filmed it before. Wow. Yeah. And you'd filmed all these six before, too. Yes, yes, yes.

Wow. And my memory of it all is that that particular summer, I mean, every summer that we filmed, but that particular summer was like the brightest. It was like everything was extreme, you know? And you see it in the episodes, too, like this particular episode. Yeah. It's just so vivid and vibrant. and glittering all the glitters.

That was the whole summer. Like everything. And when I look at Sir Jessica's work, like she is so, I mean, she's hysterical, but also so deeply felt, but also so animated and glittery and amazing. Like, everything is working. So alive. So alive. She comes over.

She's like, I've had five drinks. Yes. And she gets the chicken grease all over her dress. She's so, like, alive. I know. It's so good. I know. She's so amazing.

I know. It's really interesting. It's really good. And the whole thing is great, though. You dancing is great. When Kim is doing her walk of shame is so funny. That was really good. I've forgotten that. So funny. On the phone in that little tiny dress. She looks fantastic out there. Right? I had totally forgotten that whole thing.

And I had forgotten, like, the whole Richard storyline with Samantha and Richard. I had forgotten how good it is. Like, it's really interesting. And he does bring out this whole. other side, you know, like of Samantha for sure, but definitely I also feel like for Kim's work, like it's a different thing happens, you know, which I love. But then she's still, you know, her fabulous, powerful self, you know, it's interesting, but the vulnerability. Yeah. I love it. And then Miranda Alter. Oh my God. What did you think of that storyline? That cute boy. He's so cute.

So cute. So many cute. See, you know that this show is like, this show is so gay. And the gays are so authentic. As well, they should be, right? Absolutely. But back then, it was like, really, like, I don't know that people were, first of all, people weren't doing big gay storylines like this. Right. But they certainly, like, the gays weren't being played by gays.

Right. Well, it was not gay. Right. Yeah. But they would always tell them to be more gay. Because he wanted to play Stanford where you couldn't tell if Stanford was gay or not. Because I think the person that he was based on, mm-mm. Wow.

Yeah. See, that's so interesting because that's when I remembered and I was talking to someone. They were like, of course he was. I know. There's a lot of confusion about it. I know. He seems very gay. I know.

And it feels authentic. I understand. He was not gay. But I mean, I had many conversations with him about women and women in his life and women who was dating and women. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, a lot, a lot. I knew Willie before the show.

Oh, you did? Yeah, yeah. I met Willie in Vancouver. he was on the X-Files and they were filming at this old hospital that is often used for scary movies and I've filmed there since then too

it's still very scary. It was like a mental hospital that's abandoned like on the edges of Vancouver and we were there all night long and of course he's hysterical, funny and I just loved immediately as everyone did but he was straight

and the character that he, Willie, the character that Stanford was based on is this man like a real man in Candace's life who you couldn't tell, but was gay, but you couldn't tell. Oh, interesting. And so that's what Willie thought he was going to do, right? He was trying to be, like, true to that person

that he was told Stanford is based on that person. But then he said that Darren would always say to him, you know, gay it up, you know, and so he tried to gay it up, but he felt uncomfortable about it. And then he felt like they pushed him to be gayer or whatever. I think he did a great job. Gay is closed. They put him in some gay, gay clothes.

I mean, that green suit that he's in in this. It's so funny. Oh, my God. Shades of Ugly Betty. Yes, no, totally. They would talk about Stanford in my fittings. No way. Oh, yeah, for sure.

I remember, like, talking about, that's the way we went with Stanford in. You know, I remember Pat. Yeah. She had a good time with that. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. It is.

He got to wear really nice suits when we were doing and just like that. And I remember him saying, like, these are so much nicer than what I used to get to wear. And I mean, I think they were nice. I just think the colors were so bright that it threw them off. But these were like a little tamer but beautifully cut. You know, he was happy. He was happy about it. I know.

But like that, you know, Murray and, and, I mean, I assume I really would. But like Mario and the blonde guy, like, it's authentic. I'm not sure about the blonde guy. Did he find out? I feel like, I know, I'm confused. See, this is the other thing that has happened to me. I assume everyone's gay because we lived this life for so long, right? I assume that people are gay until I'm proven wrong.

And that has gotten me in some trouble. You know what I'm saying? It has got me in some trouble occasionally where people are just like, I thought you liked me. And I was like, no, I thought you were gay. So I was totally relaxed and like not worrying about my actions. You know what I'm saying? Anyway, so I don't know for sure.

We're going to get to the bottom of it. But yeah, it was back in a time where you didn't know necessarily if the actor was straight or gay because... And most of the... Especially, like, on network. Yeah. Nobody was out. Right. And...

Wait, did you... What did you do? I was... I was like, well, you know, like, when I was on that show, I was nobody. And everyone was like, don't tell it. Don't talk about it. No way. Yeah.

So I never lied, but I didn't talk about it. People in your life on your team or people from the show? Team. It's cool. Show didn't care. Got it. Team was like, don't bring it up,

don't talk about it. And I remember I was on a red carpet. One of my first ever red carpets. And this guy goes, so are you out? That's the way he phrased it. And I was like, oh,

I don't talk about my private life. And he wrote, when asked if he was out, Uri, hemmed and hawed, and then said he didn't talk. Like he wrote literally. What a jerk.

I know. I know. Right. And then, you know, but at that time, Ellen had come out and been shunned. Rosie had come out and been shunned. And around, like, right, I think we were already on. And, you know, Patrick Harris came out, kind of forced.

And then I was like, this is stupid. I'm not going to not talk about it. anymore. And so my coming out was like very quiet. It just sort of... Well, thank God. Yeah, it was very simple and it was not a bit... And I was playing this extremely extremely feminine gay character.

And then I started playing. It was when I like somebody had said you can play with this gay character but that's it. And can you imagine if I had only played one? Oh my gosh. No. It wouldn't be an actor anymore. And also I mean that's just so crazy. It's so silly. It's also like the implication there's only one

kind of gay person. Exactly. And I was the between season two and three, I think, I was doing a play off Broadway where I played a gay guy in fashion, just like my character on Ugly Betty. But it was a drama. It was a totally different character. It was about it was about it took place in the 50s. And I was doing it. I was like, wait a minute.

So, so like they're saying I'm going to be pigeonholed as gay. And I'm not even pigeonholed as a gay guy in fashion right now. I'm playing something completely different in the same world. Amazing. And that's when I was like, this is stupid. I'm not doing this anymore. That makes sense. That makes sense.

Good call. Marching the parade and everything. Definitely. But I mean, I just think, too, it's just so much pressure on people to have to be thinking about this stuff. Yes. You know? Yeah. Just bonkers.

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Drop what you're doing and listen to Hey Jonas on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your podcasts. Okay, let's talk. We didn't talk about poor Charlotte and Trey. It's so sad. Yeah. Oh, my good, golly me. At least she gets her picture, and at least he comes back to take the picture for house and garden.

But she'd be town and country, but when she says... but whatever. It's fine. I'm sure they wouldn't say yes or something. Every time they get it saying, I'm like, wait, what? I know. House and garden. What?

Okay. But whatever. It's an apartment. Exactly. I know. I know. I know. I was like, what?

What? Yeah, it must not have cleared. Exactly. Exactly. But it's so hard, very sweet that he shows up for the photo. Yeah. Also like, oh, just poor Charlotte's like, I feel, I feel this way a lot about Charlotte that, like, like she, she's in her own way sometimes with what this, this, like, this perceived perception.

I know, I'm talking, I'm talking, I'm working on eggshells like you're really her. You can, you can say whatever. I'm not really her. I've heard it all. But that, like, she's in her, she's, she's her own, like, worst enemy sometimes. Yeah, that's true. That's true. She has such standards.

Lofty, lofty ideals. The lofty ideals. I know. And I was thinking about this earlier, too, with the episode right before. you know, she's really alone in the whole wanting to have a baby. You know, the friends don't really feel that way, even though Cynthia, Miranda, sorry, you know, I mix them up too. Miranda's pregnant, you know, it's like by mistake and she's going to have it, but she doesn't

really have a plan. She's so conflicted. Yeah. Like, like, even because Trey can't talk about his feelings, right? And so Charlotte's just kind of like, by herself, like when she goes over to Samantha's and they're watching the gay porn, and she's like, I'm depressed, you guys. I can't have a baby and you're watching gay porn. Like, I just feel so bad.

for her and they're just laughing at the gay porn you know what I don't watch gay porn right now I know I don't want to watch gay porn right it's so funny it's pretty funny like on the one hand I feel bad for Charlotte but on the other hand I'm like see this is what's so great about the show they've just leaned all the way in like they're watching gay porn and laughing like so hard you know what I mean screaming yeah I know and then at the end Carrie tries to like do some gay porn on aiden or whatever which was also really weird. I was like, wait, is she doing it? Is she singing it? What is happening? I know, I know, because Sarah Jessica doesn't really want to do like two overtly sexual things. So I think she was

just making it fun. Yeah. But I think that is the point of that scene. Yes, I think so. Yeah. Because she learned something from the gay porn. And it's the music she learned. It's like, I'm going to go down here because that's what they do. Right. Right. I mean, it was interesting. I had totally forgotten about all that. I hadn't forgotten about the gay porn because that meme lives on, right? Like the memes are what you see the most, you know, which I think is very cute. But that joke when she's like, do I have to have seen, I can't remember the name of the porn, but do I have to see one through three to understand what's happening in part four? And they're like, no.

He's like, no, but it would help. Yeah, it's pretty funny. It's pretty funny. But I was so, like, I was so when, when he's like, when he tells Charlotte that you can have the apartment, I was like, oh, oh, that's nice, but also like, oh. Yeah. Well, you know, there was a whole drama already, right? Where I tried to negotiate with Bunny, because we've already broken up.

You're separated. We were separated. Then we get back together because we started having sex. Oh. Remember, he couldn't get it up the night of the wedding. Yeah. The night before the wedding. But then Charlotte goes ahead with it because, you know,

Charlotte has her ideals and because she really loves him. Right. And because, you know, he's him. I mean, you know what I'm saying? It's confusing, right? Yeah. But then, so then they don't have sex. And she's like, he's like the ideal.

He's the ideal. So much so. So they don't have sex when they're married that season three, right? And she takes him to a therapist, but he won't really do the things that he won't do the work, basically. Yeah. He doesn't want to talk about it. You know, he's unable to, you know, be with it or whatever with his feelings.

That's his whole shortcoming. Trays. Right. You know, he's, and then later, then they break up. She goes out to the family house. He gets in the bathtub with his mom sitting there. She kisses the gardener. And then he's playing tennis and he's really mad.

And she's like, oh, yeah, my Waspie family plays tennis when they're upset too. And then she goes, I think we should separate when we go back to the city. And I'm like, really, Charlotte? Like, wow, okay. Like, she's interesting in her decisions. But then they do separate. When they separate, they start having sex because the pressure's off. Right, right.

So then they start having sex. Then they get back. back together and they moved back in, right? Because she'd going back to her apartment. Right, right. But then there's a whole talk about, is she going to get the apartment or not with Bunny? And that she said in the engagement in the pre-in-up that she was worth a million, right? And then we haven't gotten to the divorce yet when Harry shows up.

But then they argue about the apartment. Bunny does not want her to have anything. That's the big compromise. And in the end, Trey sends a telegram saying, to give her what she wants to give her the apartment. So he, he in the end does the chivalrous thing. But that hasn't happened yet.

But everyone listening knows what happens. But he says in this episode. Yes, he does. He casually says it. Yes, he cat. I was also like, what? Yeah. Like he just throws it in there.

Yeah. Yeah, no. I think what he's saying is I'm going to move out because the last time when they split up, she moved out and went to her apartment. Oh. I think that's what he's trying to say. That's not you can have it forever.

I don't know. It was odd the way he said. And it is the thing that they're going to you about, right? And Michael Patrick does really plant little things in, like, in the group scene. I remember when we came back to work this season, because Michael has his whole plan ahead of time, right? Actually, was it? Yeah, it was this season, fourth season. He said to me, I want you to be wearing a diamond cross. And I was like, a diamond cross. Why? I have like all these other pearls and diamonds and wonderful things from Van Cleith and whatever. And he was like, no, no, no, you got to wear a diamond cross. You got to wear it a lot.

And I'm like, okay, seemed a little bit like backwards to me, right? Like, why do we need to go back to like 22-year-old Charlotte or whatever? But I started wearing it. And because I didn't know the Harry converting to Judaism situation. So he wanted me to be establishing in advance, right? Yeah. So I think, and I mean, she's very waspy. It makes sense, right?

And a lot of those girls wear, you know, crosses and whatever. So I did. And it pays off later. But then like with the apartment, I think that was him also. Because I think it had been discussed with the first breakup. Because I think there's a voiceover.

This is like, thank God she kept her apartment. You know, she's like subletted or whatever. So she'd gone back to her apartment. But then they get back together and she reddoes the apartment, Tray's apartment,

because it used to be like ducks and stuff. You know, like prepy plaid and ducks, right? So she reddoes it. Yes. And that's why. So I think that's why he's... Anthony is like, you got to see what she did.

Right. And I think that's also why he says that, like you can have it because you may, you did it. It's yours anyway. It's interesting. But then the very next thing, he says that. And then the very next thing is the voiceover, Kerry says when the pictures come out, they're already divorced. Right. The pictures in the magazine, they're already on the way to divorce or something. Because I don't think they're divorced because I think you're going to see us get divorced.

But yeah, it's sad, isn't it? It was, yes. So sad because she doesn't. yeah, I really broke my heart. I know. It breaks my heart to look at it too. She, like on the one hand, she does want the apartment, but what she really wants is.

She wants him, but the thing that she wants, and this is what I find so interesting and confusing, and I know this is probably, I don't even know if it's helpful for me to say these things, but like when I watch Corbett and Sir Jessica,

their chemistry is so amazing. And Corbett is such a great actor. But like sometimes he's also ick, you know what I'm saying? Like, Aidan is ick. But the fact that they have, this incredible chemistry. Yes.

You still want them. Yeah, but he's ick and she smiles. Right. You're like, oh, well, I guess he's not so ick. Right. Or she doesn't think he's sick. Right. Yeah.

And the chemical thing that's happening on screen in front of you is like more important. Yeah. That's how I feel when I watch Kyle and I, right? Because like he comes in that last scene where I'm getting, I'm getting the picture taken. I've told Anthony, like I don't think he's coming. And then I'm sad, but I sit down and then he's right about to be like, it doesn't matter. Let's keep going. Right.

And then and he's like, am I. too late for the picture and you're like, oh my God. And then he comes and we look at each other and you're like, maybe it could work. That's what I think when I look at it, right? But that's me and Kyle. Because if you really think about it, you don't really want that for Charlotte because he can't even talk about his feelings. No.

And these photos aren't going to be good. I mean, the photos are going to be good. The apartment, but they're like. The reality. Yeah. Very stiff. Like he's. Oh, that's true.

That's true. See, I don't even think about that. Uh-huh. Yeah. No, I just think about him. him, right? Right. Yeah.

But yeah, you're right. It's stiff. There's a stiffness about it. And he can't talk about his feelings. Like you can't even, like, you know, when she, a couple episodes back when she's like, you know, don't you still want to have a baby? And he's like, I just want to play golf. Yeah.

You just like, oh. You know? But yet is Kyle saying it. So you don't totally. You're like, ew right now, but it's still dreaming. I don't know. That guy. He's always, he gives me, not, not, I mean, that character.

You were not, you know, you were not, you were not, no, no, no, got it. No, got it. Got it. But I always felt like I, I always, I was always like I need to protect Charlotte at all costs. That's nice. And that's true. She's not, she's like. Yeah, she's the one that needs of everybody.

Yeah. And because I think her, she's just going to keep trying for that goal that she has. Right. She's not going to give up. And that's what's scary. Do you mean? Like she tries for too long, you know? Yeah.

But the good news is Harry's coming soon. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. All right, let's talk about Samantha because we didn't talk about her. She's got this adorable thing where she says, I love you to Richard, which is so funny because she took ecstasy. Takes ecstasy from some stranger. I know. And I really like that scene where I'm like, Samantha.

Yes. And rightly so. Rightly so. Could be anything. Yes. And ecstasy lasts a long time. I mean, I don't even know that. I've never taken ecstasy because I've been sober a long time.

I mean, it depends on. And like, I mean, I mean, back then. Yeah. That lasts 12 hours. Wow. Or you're up all night. Like when she's let that amazing scene, that amazing walk of shame. Yeah.

It's so good. She's definitely like still. Wow. I think still high in that scene. Love it. Love it. Love it. Love it. But I also love when she go, when she's feeling all like embarrassed about it.

And Richard's like, you're high on ecstasy. Like he knows. You know what I mean. I thought that was really good. But then she kind of still. I know. She's glad that the air is cleared, but she realizes she does.

The ecstasy was a truth serum. I know. It's good. It's really good. And then Miranda, that storyline I thought was a little weird with that, with that coworker. Yeah.

And a little like, well, and then he comes to his casual Friday at the end. I mean, and he's wearing the mesh see-through t-shirt. Good Lord. I know. He really.

He went too far. He went too far. Well, that's the thing. I was saying about like we're either in the closet or we're all the way out of the closet. That was that era. Like you couldn't be anything in between. Wow.

That's interesting. That's interesting. But that makes sense. Where she goes into his office and then that busy body. Yeah. She thinks it is so, so funny. Also, I didn't know. I felt more worried for him that she outed him than I was for her.

Totally. Me too. Okay. I was concerned. Oh, yeah. That those stuffy senior. That made me think about like, oh, this was an era. Even though I know the show was made by gay people,

this is in an era where like the consequences of the gay, you know, the gay people's consequences were less impactful to people then. Just in media in general, like bad things happening to gay people was not as, was not looked at sympathetically because they were, you know, they were already,

that was my memory of, like, I mean, I think that's probably true in general, for sure. You would have, but. Well, I think we were just like, I mean, I don't know for, because I'm not normal, right? Like, I've just been surrounded by gay people since I was 10 and started doing theater, right? And I would be very worried for people getting out in,

you know, like in the South, it was like serious. Oh, yeah. I'm from Texas. Totally. Like, it was not as bad. It was bad. It was really bad. Speaking of Texas, you know, Connor's story grew up in Texas and did these cute YouTube videos.

I didn't know that. Oh my God, you must watch when you get home. It is so adorable. He has no friends. So he's talking to the camera. Okay. He's adorable. It's the cutest thing in the world.

I heard that the crew didn't know he didn't speak Russian. I fully believe that because it's so impressed. All right. I'm kidding. Stop talking about. I just couldn't not. She's heard it all. I've already had a few.

few episodes where I've gotten distracted by heated arrival, but it's great. It's great to have something like that to be distracted by. I just want you to see the Connor videos. It's exciting these days that something can spark like... There can be a collective experience. Water cooler.

It's so few now. Watershed. Watershed. Watershed. Watershed. Water cooler. Both. Or both. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, I do feel the shrinking unites people. Don't you? Do you experience it that way? I feel like season three was a big Like, I don't know what, I don't know what happened. I think it just built and built.

I think that's how it is now. You're either like, hit a referee, bang, and then it's like kind of hard to maintain. Or in your case where it's a very beautifully crafted show because Bill Lawrence knows what he's doing and your other writers. You know, and it just builds and builds. But I think there's so much out there that it takes time. And it's great that Apple can stay committed and spend the money and make a beautiful show. And people can find it. Yeah.

Right? And amazing that you guys have been out there, like how you have been. Yeah. It's great. You've been out doing some work. And it has grown. Yeah. But we've always had eyeballs because we have Harrison and Jason. You know, and Bill. Yeah.

You know, and Apple. I mean, like it, so even from the beginning, it was, we didn't, we weren't like a sleeper, really. No, no. No. No. No. No. It just built in general, like the way Severn's built, too. Yes. You know, they haven't had as many seasons as you because they take forever. But, you know, first season was like a little group of avid people. And the second season was like way more avid people. And I'm sure third season will be as well.

I think our show also benefits from timing. Like the first season was kind of right after the pandemic. Yeah. And I feel like one of the few good things to come out of the pandemic was the sort of mental health. Awareness. Yeah. Right?

The taboo around talking about mental health was kind of lifted. Like we were all collectively depressed. Totally. And we were like allowed to talk about it. And for a show that really centers two straight man, action hero, bro, you know, to be these two guys talking about their feelings. That's so true. I never thought about it that way, but that is part of the appeal. Yeah.

Yeah, like, well, if Indiana Jones can talk about his feelings, so can I. Totally. You know? Yeah. If forgetting Sarah Marshall can talk about his feelings, so can I. Totally. And I mean, like, obviously, like, there's also, you know, other, other types of people on that show that we've seen talk about their feelings before. But like, these guys, we don't see shows about mental health.

That's a really good point. That must be why I loved it so much. I mean, I think I loved it anyway, because I, it's so beautifully acting. but like there is just such an appeal to openly having characters discuss and feel that you wouldn't expect right though you wouldn't expect those characters they're not the normal ones to be doing that that's so true you know that thing at the end the very end of did you remember in season the end of season three the last episode they have that great scene Harrison jason jason just had that amazing scene where he's like he any any he's like go have breakfast with

Kobe Smolders and that's who you're here to see and choose wisely, he says, which is an Easter egg from Indiana Jones and Last Crusade. Oh my God. That Harrison had no idea about. Wow. No idea. Somebody brought it up in a panel and he was like, what are you talking about? And they're like, that's direct.

Live from last crusade. Oh my God. That's really funny. I think he still doesn't understand. But there's a line where he says, how can I, Jason says something like, how can I go? go and talk to this person, I'm just covered in scars. Right. And Harrison says, what a shame it would be to be 42 years old and not covered in scars.

That was a direct quote from Jason's therapist. Wow. They put it in the shell. How great. Isn't that beautiful? So beautiful. And it's such a beautiful. You like to just let yourself off the hook.

Definitely. You've been through some stuff. That's what makes you. Definitely. Definitely. It's such a good, good show. It's so affirming, you know, to watch as an experience and feel all the feelings because it'll get you.

Your show will get you at the weirdest times. I know. You're laughing. And then you're like, what the fuck? Yeah. What are they doing? But that's what we want. You know, that's what we want.

Yeah. We want to feel things when we're watching things. You know? Yeah. Close your eyes. And you can hear the entire world come alive. 20206 FIFA World Cup is on And you can stream it all live on TSN Radio

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Rape a murder for a child. Just as bad as it gets. I would think so. People wake up. I'm the one that saw the murder take place by Crevette and DePippo. Anthony DePippo showed no signs of remorse. appearing unfazed after being sentenced to the maximum.

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It was the same thing with Slow Hands. Slow Hands is not about anything else, really, is it? You know, or taste so good can't be about food. You do the same, Nick, with some of the stuff that you've done. You too, Joe. Drop what you're doing and listen to Hey Jonas on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your podcast. I was going to ask you about your character adopting and what you think of it.

And did you do research? Like, what did you do? Do you know people? How did it go? It's really interesting to watch as an adoptive parent. Yeah, cool. Yes. A slightly scary, occasionally scared.

Yeah. I'm sure. Yeah. I mean, I love your adoption person. Oh my gosh. So funny. That's Brian Gallivan. That's the writer who I.

No way. Oh my God. He's great. He's so great. He's really funny. He made me laugh. Yeah, I like him a lot. Such a jean.

Did you ever see his old YouTube videos? No. He used to do. Oh my God. But long ago, he did these YouTube videos called sassy gay friend. What? And it was, it was imagining that the tragic heroines from Shakespeare had a sassy gay friend. Funny.

And how much better their lives would be. And so it's like, it's like Ophelia about to jump into the river and kill herself. And she's like, Hamlet loves me not. And he pops up. And he's like 10 feet tall. And he's like, what are you? you doing? What? What are you doing? And he's like, talks her out of it. Oh, my God. It's funny. He's like, Hamlet, Hamlet. Wow. You're going to go and you're going to write in your journal.

You're not going to jump in this lake. And then he's like, I can't believe. He's like, P.S. This is the best your hair has ever looked. She's like, really, I can't believe you. We're going to get it wet. I digress. So my partner and I have been together for all. almost 18 years. Oh, wow. We do not have children. Okay. But of course have thought about it and of course have considered it and imagined

what it would be. And obviously, like, it's a, you know, a very complicated thing for anyone to go through the process of having a child. It is. And especially if it's not just like, you know, a few steps. Yes. It's very complicated. Yes.

And for us, it has ultimately ended up, you know, so far being a complication that we don't do. We don't pursue. That may change. Who knows. But like, like, it's always been something that, like, we've kind of just gotten. We end up at an impasse. Not that we're, like, in disagreement or anything like that. It's just like, it is a very complicated thing.

It is. No joke. You know, we're both actors. And we're all over. the place. Right. And so I was really interested in the storyline. Yeah.

And excited about it. And a lot of the stuff that we do in our show is based on one of our producers' actual experience. Got it. That was like Sex and the City. Oh, really? Yeah, the writers. The writers had all the experiences. Right.

Yeah. Go ahead. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. So there's a lot of that going on. Got it. So people in your world of shrinking have adopted.

Yes. Got it. Yes. And I was able to. And I know a lot of people who've adopted over the years. A lot of gay guys who've, gay couples who've done it. Lesbian couples who've done it in various ways. And my sister and her wife have two kids.

So like, and my sister is much older. So I've been aware of this for a long time and I've thought about it in many, many different ways. But the specifics of our story mirror, one of our producers. got it. So that was really useful. Cool, cool, cool. And really cool. And I loved the story because it was so specific.

Yes. And it was so real. And that guy, our adoption liaison guy, I forget his actual title. That's a real thing. Oh, yeah. And I've talked to people who said, I didn't know that was a thing. My partner and I have been trying. And it's been so complicated.

And thanks to shrinking, we went and found one of those people. And now we have a child. That's great. Yeah, I've been able to sort of watch it work for people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's amazing. Well, it's nice because when your character's like off on a tangent, he's like, oh, yeah, that's not going to go well.

I'm like, thank God that guy's there. Totally. It's so funny. Yeah, because you need help. It's hard. It's kind of hard. It's scary and hard. It's a strange process for sure.

And it does take a lot of turns, which is what I do like about yours, in that it is a very specific. story, but also like an unexpected journey. And I do think that's how it goes down many times. It's not my story at all, but it is other people I know close to their story. Not exactly. But you know what I'm saying? You just don't know, because there's so many people involved in this process, right,

of adoption. And you don't know what the birth mother's situation is or personality is or what they're looking for. Everybody's so different. And it's just finding the right fit. And sometimes you can't find the right fit. And sometimes it happens just in a weird way and it's perfect. Yeah.

Yeah. But you don't know. I mean, I had so much anxiety. I was like, oh, my God, no. Don't say that. I'd think like, don't say that. And then I'd be like, don't move the birth mother in. And they'd be like, oh, it's working out.

I was like, oh, thank God. That's so funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then I was like, oh, God, they need a nanny. Oh, good, they got a nanny. Thank God, they got a nanny. Thank God it's not Christmas character. Yes, not Liz.

No, no, Liz. Yeah, I had a lot of feelings, a lot of feelings. Oh, that's great. Yeah, and I was like, look, they're good at it. Yay. Yeah. Yeah, you don't know. You don't know.

That's the other thing that I was so glad that like by the end of season three, we sort of see Brian is, I sort of feel like Brian is just getting started. Which is great. And that's fine. It takes people time. Yes. Yeah. Just like a lot of dads of regular straight couples.

They don't know what to do in the beginning. They're like, what do I do? They don't need me. Right. You know what I mean? And then they just find their way. I mean, do you feel like have people, how has the fan response been to the adoption storyline? Really, really? Yeah, really positive.

Great, great, great. I mean, people have definitely been like, your character is not ready to be a dad. But that's okay. That's okay. But that's like, that's good. That's part of the drama. Like, I love how flawed he is. Yeah, definitely.

And also, he's not pretending, which I think is great. Right. Yeah. Yes. I mean, he's full out. He's full out failing. And, and then he starts to like come around. I mean, at the end of season three, he starts putting Charlie and Sutton first.

Which is awesome. Yeah, that was really nice. Oh, I was very worried. I was like, wait, they're going to Tennessee? Yes. What? Yes. I was like, oh, God, Jesus, what's going to happen?

Yeah, but he works it out. Good, good, good. I know, I can't wait either. Yeah. Very excited. When will it be on the air? I assume in the early 27, usually it's like. It's like January or something.

It's like a very dry time that we need, we need you to be back. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Good, good, good. I'm excited. Thank you so much for joining us. I have one last question. I have one more question. Okay, you go.

I know what your last question is. Actually, well, first of all, there was a question I was told we asked. It hasn't been asked yet. And that's when I first became aware of sex in the city. Oh, yeah. Or first watched it maybe. Please, yeah. Tell me.

I forgot to ask you. Maybe that's not a question you asked. No, it's totally a question I asked people. Sorry, I forgot. Yeah. I was in school. any TV. Juilliard.

I wasn't watching any TV because I was busy all the time. Yeah. And I certainly didn't have each year. Also, they kind of shun TV. And we shun TV. Yes, absolutely. And I didn't have cable growing up. Right.

So I'm not sure. When was the first season? 98. So I was, that's when you were graduated high school. We didn't have cable. And then I went to do it. So I knew about it. I'd heard of it.

But I hadn't seen it. The first time I saw saw was backstage. at Juilliard during tech rehearsals over Jessica Chastain's shoulder. She was in my class and she had the DVDs. That's a great story. She had the DVDs. She had the DVDs. God love you, Jess.

And she watched it on her laptop and I watched it with her. That was the first time I ever saw the show. That's a great origin. It was great. I was like, oh, this is that show, huh? And she's like, yeah. And she was so, I mean, she was so smart always. She was like, she was aware of everything that was going on.

And she was always had her finger on the pulse. And she loved the show. And I think it was like, she was like, this is the kind of work I want to be doing. Wow. Wow. Did you love it when you first saw it in that way? Yes. But I didn't start watching it.

I then like rented it on, you know, on Netflix. I remember getting the. Well, Netflix was recent, baby. No, but we would get the. Oh, you mean you. You got that you got it in your queue when you used. I would get the... Wow.

I didn't know that you could get us that way. Yeah. Back in the olden days of Netflix. Back when I would put it on the queue. I would put it on my queue. Wow. Oh, I love it. Remember how frustrating it was when they would send the wrong thing?

I mean, listen, I wasn't even into it. I was like, what the hell is this? I'm just going to go to Blockbuster. I was like, I don't understand this. I don't understand what it is. It's weird. You got to wait for something to come in the mail. I'm just going to go to Blockbuster.

Like things on your cue would get pushed down and down. Vagely. It was a system that I didn't understand. So I was like, that's weird. I'm not going to do it. I think also we were, I feel like we were working. I don't even know what year that started. What year did Netflix start?

Does anyone know? Anybody? Anybody? It was like 2000. I want to say like three, four. So like the end of the show type time. Yeah. Yeah, that would make sense.

I didn't really watch it until it was all over. Got it. And you liked it. Oh, yeah. Cool. just check. What am I not gay? I mean, who knows?

Everyone could have their own opinion, right? Yeah, no, I definitely. But my other question I have as an actor, when you guys did phone calls, like the amazing four-way phone call in this episode. Yeah, that's really good, yeah. Were you on? So for that one, I was thinking to myself

because I was just on a set where we had to do a very hard phone call. And you know what they did, which was really cool? They had her actually on the phone. this is what we do now. Who knew? Right? So, like, she was in the makeup trailer.

She wasn't at home. She was in the makeup trailer, because I thought I was going to have to do it was because I thought I was going to have to do it, but I had, you know, I wasn't on this project for that long and I had done rehearsal with scripty, and I was like, oh, this is going to be hard. Yeah, this is going to be hard.

It was an emotional scene, right? I was like, oh, God, I'm going to have to, oh, Lordy, what am I going to do? Didn't know we were going to get the other actress on the phone. And then they were like, oh, she's on the phone. I was like, oh, thank you God. But then, so in the scene, she surprises me that she calls, and I haven't spoken to her.

So it's like an emotional thing that she calls. And I look down and I see that it's her. And I pressed the button and I hung up on her. I was supposed to pretend press the button, but I for real press the button and I hung up on her. So that was a cut. So it did remind me. We talked a lot about how we used to do it on Sex and the City.

And for Sex and the City, we would try to be on set. So we would try to be like on the other side of the flat, you know, of the set. Now, it didn't always work, right? And I thought about it when we were watching the four of us on the, I'm sure all four of us were not there because that would have been really hard. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. So usually because at that point we knew everyone so well, actor-wise and also crew-wise.

So either a scripty or we had this first AD, Betty Ann, who was like considered herself a part of the show. The fifth. Yes, I was going to say that. And she would read. and she was funny herself. So she wouldn't really do the other people's pattern, but you could hear the other people because we really knew each other

like the back of our hands at that point. But I did think about the four of us doing that thing. And I thought like, how did we do that? I wonder. Because like if we ever had like, there's a scene where I argue with Miranda and I was there for her side and she was there for my side.

You know what I mean? Because you know, it's going to be different and it's going to be unique, right? And we made a big effort to make that happen. Like if you had a day off, you'd go in. You know what I mean? That's awesome. Yeah.

And you'd try to have a fitting or something else. You know what I'm trying to say? Try to bubble things. But you'd make a big effort to do that. That scene is so good. The foursome scene is so good. Yeah. I loved it.

I was like they feel like they're together. I don't remember. And I do know that if any of us had been around. Like sometimes you know we'd like multi-board locations, right? So like if there was an apartment, they tried to get a restaurant near it. Right. So you might be coming in later. to do your whatever scene, date, whatever, blah, blah, blah.

So you might come in early to do the phone call. But I don't remember, and I do, the thing that I know at this point in time, I knew, you know, you just can hear their voice. You're with them all the time, which was part of what was so great to going back to do. And just like that, you know, it's just like so easy, you know, to be together. And, like, you just know the rhythms and, you know, we had new people, which was fun. But also, we just know each other, like, just. so well, which is wonderful.

What did you think when they said we're coming back? Oh, my God. I was so excited. I mean, Willie and I had planned on doing a podcast. So Willie and I had been on the phone quite a bit. It was the end of COVID, right? So we were still on the phone a lot. And we had a whole deal to rewatch Sex and the City together for a different company

that I will not name. And we were very excited. They had asked Cynthia and I, but Cynthia didn't want to do it. I don't know if I'm allowed to say this. I hope I am. She just wasn't feeling right about it. And, I mean, it was an odd thing to think about going back. You know, like, I had made a big effort not to rewatch, like, because it feels like living in the past in a way, you know?

And Sir Jessica talked about it when she came the last time. And I don't know that people really understand what she's saying, but I totally understand what she's saying. But I've loved rewatching it because it has given me so much insight into so many things, like things I didn't realize really, you know, about the show. it's hard to be objective, you know, and our work, like I look at my own work and see things and it's interesting, but just in general, the phenomenon of the show and the things that we were doing that I didn't realize at the time, you know, that live on, which is wonderful. Anyway, it's been great, but Willie and I were going to do it. And we were on the phone a lot about it planning what we were going to do and laughing and having

the best time and thinking about when we were going to do it. And he was like, I want to get going now. And I was like, yeah, yeah, I want to get because we hadn't been working because it was COVID, right? I had no idea Willie was sick. And now I understand why he wanted to get going so, so quick. And I wanted to get going as well. So we were supposed to, I feel like it was a long weekend. I can't remember what weekend, but it was like maybe a long weekend.

And Willie and I were supposed to sign our deal on Tuesday. And on Saturday, Michael Patrick and Sarah called me together. But they never called me together, right? And I had talked to feel like, I feel like I might have called Sarah to ask her about Willie and I doing the podcast. Do you mean to just like run it by her? Yeah. And she had said, of course, you know, whatever you guys want to do.

And then I think she hung up and called Michael Patrick and was like, Willie and Christian are going to do a podcast. We better. Yeah. So they called me together. And I was like, did something happen to someone? What's wrong? You know, I was like, why are you going to leave me together?

It's freaking me out. Like your phone. Or like you were summoned or something. No, I think I was texted. Like, hey, can you talk to Sarah and I at one or whatever? And I was like, oh, what happened? Yes. You know what?

Did I do something bad? What happened? I don't know what's going to. Did you think it might have been the podcast? Like I'm going to get in trouble for the cut. It didn't enter my mind. Yeah, yeah. It didn't enter my mind.

You know, someone's dead or something. Something happened, right? I was like, something happened. Something weird. So they're both on the phone. And Michael says, you know, just want to talk to you about this. You know, Sarah and I have been planning something. And it's gone, gone farther now.

And we feel like we want to talk to you about it. And I was like, what? Like, what? You know, now I see Michael pretty frequently, right? And we always theoretically talk about things. But I never thought like it's real. You know what I'm saying? Like the idea of rebooting the show had been...

No, we would never call it a reboot. I would just say like, we should... What if we have us like... Or like another movie or... Yeah. Or let's take us on a trip. You know, like crazy things. I just say shit.

You know what I mean? And then he go, oh yeah, we could do that. Like fun, just free association. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. But I never felt like he's definitely going to do it. just thought it was fun to talk about. And he never said no,

which was great, right? So anyway, they're on the phone and they say, you know, we want to, we want to, you know, come back together and do the show and we're going to add some characters. And we've talked to HBO. And I was like, what? What?

And we're like, oh my God, what? Really? And they were like, I said, listen, guys, Willie and I are going to do a podcast. What should I do? I was like, you guys got to tell Willie. And they're like, oh, yeah, we've got to tell Willie. And so Jessica knew that Willie was sick.

and she was like, I've got to call Willie. She did. She did, but he had made her swear not to tell it. So she didn't, which she later regret it. But, you know, this is what he wanted. So this is what she did. So I was like, you know, maybe should we do the podcast? Because we're doing the podcast about the old show.

And Michael Patrick said, I want you to wait because I want all the energy to go into the new show and have it be like in real time, us kind of recreating something rather than you talking about the past at the same time that we're trying to do something. something new. And I said, yeah, that makes total sense. Of course, I didn't know Willie was sick. I thought we would do it when we went on a hiatus. Not to be. I know.

It was so sad. And when we were working, Willie would say to me, you know, it's probably a good thing that we didn't do the podcast because I think I would never work again. I would get in so much trouble. He had a lot of shit to talk. Oh, oh. You know what I mean? I was like, Willie would have been fine.

You can say whatever you want. You know what I mean? But yeah, he had, he, Willie had a very, like, acerbic wit. you know, like funny but cutting. Yeah. You know what I mean? And he, I think he, like him in person, he would say, you know, just, he would just freely talk about things.

And, you know, when you're doing a podcast such as now, you feel very free. Yes. Like, we're just talking. Do you know what I mean? It's really fun. Every time I'm ever on a podcast, I leave thinking, did I say anything? I know. And right least so.

Sometimes you forget, like, yeah. It's just like two people having a conversation. I know. Like you forget. Which is the joy, but also the clickbait. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Close your eyes, and you can hear the entire world come alive. 2026 FIFA World Cup is on, and you can stream it all live on TSN Radio.

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They turned black. It scared the hell out of me. That was your first murder case? Yes, sir. Fear to say this was the biggest case of your career? Yes, sir. Rape and murder for a child. Just as bad as it gets.

I would think so. Evil, wake up. I'm the one that saw the murder take place by Creveh and DePippo. Anthony DePippo showed no signs of remorse, appearing unfazed after being sentenced to the maximum. I said, I'm not guilty. I'll take it to the grief. Listen to the devil's quarry on the Iheart radio app,

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And we've had some incredible guests so far. And now our good friend, Nile Horn, is joining the show. How's it going, boys? Hey, Niall. It was the same thing with Slow Hands. Slow Hands is not about anything else, really, is it? You know, or taste so good can be about food. You do the same, Nick, with some of the stuff that you've done.

You too, Joe. Drop what you're doing and listen to Hey Jonas on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your podcasts. So anyway, that was how it all went down. And so then later on I did this, I didn't know that the show was over when I signed on to do this. But the show was in fact over. Yeah.

I know, but I didn't know. Oh. Yeah, but it worked out because now I can do this. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. But, I mean, I still hope that we're going to come back.

But the last time I talked to Michael about it, I did not feel that Michael felt that way. Like when Michael came on the podcast, he said something about how, because he had done the final season of the comeback, that now he had to start from scratch, he had no more IP to do. And I was like, uh,

well, something called sucks in the city. I don't believe that. Still some IP, baby. But I didn't want to, I was like, whatever his creative process is, I have to honor it. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah.

Well, listen, that took 10 years. At least. Twice. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Exactly. You never know. Totally.

I really think in the back of my head that they're waiting us for, to have like white hair. I think they want to do like, um, Golden Girls. Yeah. Or not Golden Girls so much as like, you know how there are those movies that have like Mary Steenbergin? Yes. And Candace Bergen, book clubs, Jane Fonda.

Like we could do one of those. Totally. Right? I'll do whatever. I'll do whatever they want me to do. Yes. Michael. Ask it.

Are you in Charlotte? Honest, be honest. So I've thought about this a lot. Okay. And I'll think. Ultimately not, but I have been. Okay. Okay.

I think when I was in school, I was the Charlotte. Oh, that's interesting. I think I was Charlotte. Okay. But now I'm more like of a Miranda. Oh, I love Miranda. Yeah. That's a good answer.

Yeah, more like that. I think I'm a little bit more like. Direct. Yeah. Kind of like cut to the. A little cynical, a little direct. You don't seem cynical to me. No.

But, but, but, but I guess. maybe I'm a, I'm a, maybe I'm a, Charlotte with the Miranda Rising or vice versa. Maybe you're a Miranda with a Charlotte rising. Yeah, maybe that's a bit of that. You don't seem totally different from Carrie, though. Well, I've definitely also been in, like, friend groups where I'm the carry. Got it.

Because that's, you know, where it's, because I don't know, I don't remember, how do they become friends? I don't know. What is the origin? Like, the very beginning. Of Sex and City? Yeah, like, what? You don't ever see the origin. You never know.

We just jump in. You don't know. Except there was a flashback where Carrie, Samantha and Miranda, I believe we're in college. They're at like a dorm room or some party or something. Charlotte is not there. I know. I know.

I came later. Yeah. Was it played by them? I don't remember that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. It was a very minor little, I can't even remember the details.

And it was in like season one, I want to say. And you don't know how you ended up. Nope. They never explained because Michael didn't want to explain. Well, I don't know what Darren thought. I mean, Darren's really going off Candace, right? And Candice, it was just like day in the life of New York City. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And no one ever talks about their, you know, where they came from or who their parents are, which is what Michael also loved. Like, you know how television, you always hear the backstory? Right. He was like, who cares? Yeah, that's great. Nobody in New York is telling their backstory. Right.

Which is true. It's, yes. Yeah, because they're just there. They left their backstory. Exactly. You came to the big apple, baby. You're here now. That's right.

Yeah, so the one person I'm definitely not. You're not Samantha. Samantha. I know. Samantha's so interesting because like when I watch these particular sets of episodes, you know, you get to see this whole vulnerable side of her. But also, you know, she's just so honestly wanting what she wants. Yeah.

It's so great. I know. It's very admirable. Yeah. Powerful. Yeah, you want to be a Samantha. You do. You do.

But I certainly have never been a. Samantha. I need to try to be a Samantha. You know what I'm saying? That's what I need to try to be like, I want this. I want that. I know. You know what I'm saying? But, you know, no, I'm mostly Charlotte. I'm a little Carrie. But I'm not Miranda, but I would love to be. I would also love to be a Miranda. Yeah. Yeah. You know that main character energy thing. Yeah. That's that's sort of, I feel like, a new idea. Yeah. In the in the ether. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. this show is like had everyone kind of had. I agree 100%. And everyone always had a story. I know. Well, not always.

Like you, when you do rewatch, you see that like, and we knew as an actor, you knew like, oh, at some point I'm going to get this small story. Whatever. Michael says he didn't do A, B,

CD, but we totally felt like there was A B, which was fine because you knew that if you had a D story, you were going to get a good story. You know what I'm saying? A story. Yeah, always something.

Always something. Yeah. But it might be really minor. You know what I mean? Like, like, like, one time. Evan and I, this is coming, we go out for Valentine's Day to a French restaurant and eat a lot of cheese and the next day we're sick on the floor of the bathroom. That was our story. And I was very mad. Okay. I was very mad. I did not like it. Because they wanted me in this old Smith t-shirt, because Charlotte went to Smith. That's one thing we know about her past. And they wanted like just Danes all down. And I was like, it's too far, people. It's too far. And they had just like laying on the floor. Like, I don't like bathroom jokes. Not into it. all of it, I think.

Not together. Yes. No. I know. It's gross. Right? It's gross. Nobody would do that.

Right? Even if you only had one bathroom, you would take turns. Right? This is what I said. I did not like it. And I was also like, this is so mean to us. You know what I mean? Like, let us just be happy for a second.

People, I can't be happy. But we were the married couple. So we had to have like, you know, the poop. Rips in the scenes or whatever. Yes. Yes. Anyway, you know how it is.

You know how it is. Because I'm always, on shrinking, we always have a story. Everybody always has something. Everyone does, yeah. But also, you guys are very interrelated and really interesting way, the way that you come into the stories of other people and matter. Just like hang out. But it matters.

Like what you say matters. You know what I mean? Right. Yeah. And there's unlikely, like an unlikely pairing. Yes. Which I like a lot. Yeah, me too.

And that guy, what's that guy's name who's now on the pit? What the heck? Luke, Tilly. Does that he's not? No, no, he's. Thank God. No, no, he's still with us. He's also on Abbott Elementary.

What? I know. I'm behind on Abbott Elementary. How can he be on three shows? Oh my God. He's so great, though. But when he showed up on the pit, I was like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. What's happening now?

No, he's just on the day shift or the night shift or whatever. Okay, but see, you never know with the pit because they're going to change too. What if they change to the night shift? Well, I mean, now you're talking about it. That's above my pay grade. We're not losing Lieutenant. Okay, good. Bill would not let Luke.

Great, great. That's all Warner, but they're all, you know, in the family. Oh, of course. They're in the family, so they'll share nicely. You're amazing. Oh, my gosh. I could have done this all day. I know, me too.

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