Are You A Charlotte? - Model Behavior with Andrea Boccaletti...

Episode Date: February 20, 2025

He’s “Derek” in Models and Mortals. Andrea Boccaletti aka Derek was Stanford’s most important client. There is something fascinating about the model who never dated models and just wanted to lie with Carrie because the city made him feel so lonely. Let’s investigate the character with the actor who perfectly portrayed him.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen and subscribe to Leave the Gun, Take the Canole on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are you a Charlotte? This is very exciting because we have the one, the only Andrea Buccaletti who plays Derek in episode, I guess it's technically episode two, is that right? Models and Mortals of the original season of Sex and the City.

And you play this very elusive character who's much discussed and much missed over time. And it's so amazing to have you and I really appreciate you being here. Thank you. I have many, many questions. It's such a pleasure to be here and to see you again after so long. Thank you, I know! I mean, so long.

Yeah. I think I saw you at a movie theater across from Lincoln Center for some premiere one time, and that's the last time I ever saw you. Was it the one with the beds? Do you remember how, there's one where we had like, beds outside where I was like, what did Peggy do? Peggy, remember Peggy the event planner

and they were like crazy those parties. Yeah, I remember that, I remember that. And I remember thinking, because I wasn't there when you worked, you know? Only Sarah Jessica was, right? And especially back then, we moved so quickly, you know? And so like if you weren't in the storylines with the other people, you just kind of missed out

and you couldn't wait to see it in the finished version. You know better than I do. Well, I mean, that's how it was. And that's how we felt about you. And I think because you played such an interesting character who was based on a real model, but you were also modeling, correct, before. Okay, so take me back to what your life was like in 1997,

what you remember. Well, I really wanted to quit modeling. Okay. I had done it for four years, four and a half years, and it really burnt out. I had it up to here. It's a hard job. Yeah, it was just grueling, the traveling,

just never being able to settle down, ever. Yeah. And never have a relationship. Yeah. And it was just. Never have a dog. All over the map, yeah. Like, I don't know if you're into dogs, but I mean, you just don never have a relationship. And it was just- Never have a dog. All over the map. Like, I don't know if you're into dogs, right? I mean, you just don't have a life.

Actually, at one point, I traveled more than flight attendants did. Wow. I mean, that's being super successful, but it's also very, very difficult. Yeah. Yeah. So you were already at the ripe age of- 28. Wow, burnt.

You were burnt on the modeling. Yep. Okay, so. You were burnt on the modeling. Okay, so you wanted to act. I wanted to act, and so I was, I got with an agency named J. Michael Bloom, and they were handling a couple of people, Maury, J. Michael Bloom was handling a couple of people that wanted to make the transition

from modeling into acting. Right. And this was the first audition. Amazing! So yeah. No way. Do you remember how many times you had to go in? I went in twice.

Oh, that's pretty good. Yeah, just the initial audition and then the call back with Sarah. Got it, got it. And to prepare for that, I went and just, I went to a video store and I rented any movie that I could find with Sarah in it. How fun! And just wanted to get familiar with her

because I knew that I was going to have to be right in front of her and doing the lines with her and I wanted to be comfortable. Yeah, and were you? I wanted to feel like I already knew her a little bit. Did it work out? It did, actually. It helped a lot.

She's so easy to work with. She is. Yeah, I mean, I think sometimes people, right, and I mean, you're so great. You're so great to work with. She is. Yeah, I mean, I think sometimes people, right. And I mean, you're so great. You're so great in that episode. I was like, why did we not have him back? Why? I know, I was supposed to come back in the eighth episode.

What the heck? Dennis Erdman, who is Darren's boyfriend. Yes, yes. Just, he said, don't take it personally. The writing just took a turn and that's what happens. And I was really bummed. But maybe if I'd been in season two, I might've been able to develop more of a character

or something, but I know the first season it was really about all your experiences and Mr. Big. That is very valid. But I feel two things. Number one, you know, we had these, for season one, once we got picked up here, you know, we were, I was here in LA, Michael was here in LA, Michael Patrick King, Darren was here in LA, and we got picked up,

but Darren had the writers' room here in LA with a bunch of writers that we literally never met. We don't even still know, like, I don't know who they are. I could see one in the hall, I wouldn't know that they were them. So we didn't have our team yet, you know, really like congealed. And later on we would get them

and we would have Michael Patrick King, then we had, I believe at one point we had six women writers, which was great. But we were kind of just leaping off of Candice's book and Candice had this story in there based on that other model who apparently auditioned to play himself, but they told him he was too old. That's crazy.

Isn't it? We were friends. I know. We were friends is the magic word because something happened at that premiere party after it premiered and we were all there and the party, I don't remember where it was. It was somewhere on the west side. It was a cool little club. And this reporter came up to me from,

I think from the Daily News, and asked me about, you know, how it was to have been chosen to play the part and how it was shooting. And then he asked me about why he thinks that Michael Bergen didn't, why do I think Michael Bergen didn't get it? And I said, well, you know,

it's probably because he's on Baywatch. And he was on Baywatch at the time. Yeah. I forgot that. And this reporter added a line that I never said that really acted, sounded like I said something bad about Michael. Oh no.

And it ended up in the Daily News and Russian Maloy column. Oh, awful. And it was just awful. It just hit me so hard and I just felt terrible. And I had to put out, well, for lack of a better word, I had to put out a lot of fires. People were calling me, what the hell did you say?

Oh no. Yeah, so. I mean, listen. Lesson learned. Lesson learned for sure, but honestly, I've been doing this a long time, as you know, and there's crazy gossip has always been around us. Here I'm doing the podcast where I'm literally in charge, right, the clickbait headlines that they come up with

over what I'm saying on this podcast shock even me after 30 years. I'm like, what? Like I made a joke one time. I should know better, right? But it's hard. I'm here talking. It's very intimate. Do you know what I mean? I made a joke saying that Sarah Jessica was still mad about the bridesmaids dresses I made. I didn't make her wear that Pat made her wear in Charlotte's wedding. They're like headlines, Sarah Jessica's still mad at Kristen. I'm like, oh my gosh, that's a joke, you guys.

Yeah. I mean, it's insane. It is really crazy. So anyway, what this reporter said and what he printed was, vocal that he says of Bergen, it's probably because he's on Baywatch and that's not saying much. So it really looks like I put him down. Oh no. And I never would have done that, we were friends,

but again, we have not spoken since that time. Oh no, oh, I wish we could fix that. It's the worst feeling in the world when something like this happens and you can't control it because you're just a nice person in the middle of this insanity, you know? Naive. Well naive, but also even, I mean I'm not naive anymore,

but I still say stuff. Yeah, it still happens, right? Yeah, that I think is fine because I know what I mean, right, but in print it can look a different way if they want to make it look a I mean, right? But in print, it can look a different way if they want to make it look a different way, right? That's the thing. So tell me what you remember about filming the whole sequence.

Because obviously, my favorite part is when you get back to Carrie's and you're like, can we just get layered? Can we just cuddle? I don't know what you say. It's the cutest thing in the world. I think you're incredible. Not my lines, but yeah, I mean, it was a fun experience.

That day, I don't remember too much about that day, except for us having to wait a long time, because some of the girls, I don't know, there was a scene, I don't know, maybe, if you said you weren't there, then it wasn't the scene with all of you, but it was the scene with one of the others, with either Kim Cattrall or Cynthia Nixon,

where we had to wait a while because they were take after take after take of the same scene. Yeah, this is the way. And quite ironically, in our scene, we never did anything more than four times, I don't think. Wow! Any more than four takes. Oh, you should pat yourself on the back. That's amazing. more than four times, I don't think. So any more than four takes. Oh, you should pat yourself on the back. That was really great. That's amazing.

But, so I don't remember much about that day. I remember about being on the bed with her, just being in the apartment, moving around from the kitchen over to the bookshelf and then into the bed. But I remember that when it came time for the panning up from the floor, like the morning after, and I'm lying beside her, and Alison McLean was the director,

and I just remember to have this idea to really hide myself, you don't even know that I'm in the bed. Which is super clever, I love it. When the camera's panning up, and then you finally see me and the phone rings and it's Stanford. Yeah, Stanford, yeah.

Yeah, oh, God rest his soul. I know, I know, I was gonna get to him next, right? I wanna talk about him again. But anyway, yeah, just remember that and it's just a really super nice day and I was a little bit nervous and I asked Sarah, like, how are we doing? And she's like, you're great, you're doing great.

And she's again, very supportive. I'm so glad. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Tell me about Willie. What do you remember about Willie? Cause the scene where you're in the fashion show when they come to see you is so, so good. I don't remember much about Willie actually.

Oh. I think we shot that scene in a club called Cameo. Okay, I was wondering where that was. Cameo, interesting. Off of, what was that, Third Avenue? I don't know, I didn't get to go there. And the whole beginning in terms of locations, I was just like, I don't know where we are.

You know what I mean? Are you from out here? I am from South Carolina, and I had moved here right before, maybe three years before the show, maybe more. But I did Melrose here, so I was already working here with Darren and then I got the show. But I had lived there first and then here, but I don't seem like it. Like when I see the pilot, I'm like, that girl that know nothing about New York,

that's what I think to myself, you know what I mean? You did a great job. Thank you so much. It evolved though, as you said, it evolved, it evolved for sure. But I mean, I remember like when I look back now, cause I had not seen these episodes in almost 30 years. I saw them in the, when they first were made,

they would send us VHS tapes and we would excitedly watch them. But those bars and clubs or whatever, I mean they look like, they look like we just found a basement and threw some people in it. But is that what they were like? Like are they real?

I mean is Cameo like a real place? That was like, wow. Cameo was a real club. I don't think I'd ever been, I'd maybe been there for one other event. But yeah, it was actually near my house because I lived on Tenton University. Actually funny enough, right near Christopher North.

I would bump into him a few times in the neighborhood. You did, but also what a great address. That's dreamy. Yeah, the Albert of Tenton University. How great. Okay, so you go on the show, it goes well. You think you're going to be in episode eight. They had told you this? I was put on a veil. Okay, so you go on the show, it goes well, you think you're gonna be in episode eight, they had told you this?

I was put on a veil. Okay. And it canceled, I think, three weeks before. Well, I don't even remember what episode eight is. Me neither. Interesting. I should've watched it again last night. Darn it, no, that's okay.

And then you never heard anything else? Yeah, and I never came back. Because you were disgust, you were disgust. Yeah, I wanted to come back in one of the movies. It would be amazing. I thought maybe they'd call me back. I know. Maybe Derek comes back and he's not so much of a nice guy.

Oh my gosh, anything. It could have been so many things. So many things. And then, I mean, I feel like we talked about you forever and everybody was always like, where's Derek? That's so nice. Where's Derek? You know what I mean?

Where is he? What happened to him? Why can't we see him? I remember being at the second year Rap party for the for your second season and all the girls all of you were the bone We were always Just talking about you and waiting for you to come back. I missed you girls I mean, I cried actually, you know the last day of my third day of filming was at Silver Cup Studios.

And I asked to be dropped off. I mean, I was being dropped off at like 5.30 in the morning. That's how we roll. From the night of shooting. And I asked to be dropped off two and a half blocks or three blocks from my house. And I just remember fully crying. And I had this little video camera with me

and I was filming myself. I was doing a selfie before selfies are really normally filming myself crying. Because it was just, it was so emotional. I had such a nice time and a fun time doing that. And yeah. Wow. Wow. Well, we missed out by not having you back. Because your energy in that episode with her,

because she's so kind of, you know, she's thinking and she's so kind of crackly and, you know, together and you're just so simple but also so beautiful. Like it's such an interesting contrast and then also Willie is so like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, you know, into you and, you know, doing his whole shtick really like, you know, of, like, I'm your manager, but I'm really in love with you.

There's just so much great stuff. I wish that we had had a better, my memory of the first season is that we didn't know if we were a comedy or if we were supposed to be pushing the sexuality. So like one week Darren would say like, funny, everyone has to be funny, come on, be funny. And we would just be like, did you change the script?

Or we're just supposed to be funnier with what's written? Like what do you mean? Then the next week he'd be like sexier. And I'd be like, me? Me, me? Like really? Like there's, I'm not, okay. But you know, we were very much.

That's great. I mean, it, God, it works so well. It did. I mean, it worked well eventually, I think, because HBO allowed us to flail around like that, you know. Actually, it's funny. They cut one line from my whole, from everything that I did in those three days. And maybe it was too risque at the moment. What? What?

Right before we, Sarah and I get into the cab to go to her apartment, I said, you know, I can't take these crowds, you know, can we, whatever, I need to get out of here. And I said, I have a joint. And they cut that? Right before I get in the cab and they cut that, yeah. That's so weird.

So I guess that was too risque, that was pushing it too far for that first ever episode after the pilot. That's so crazy, because it makes perfect sense. Also, I do think that might be the last time I remember her talking to camera. Because you get in the cab and then she has to turn, isn't that when she has to turn over the cab

and talk to the camera, which is so awkward and weird. There's a lot of fans who are like, we love talking to the camera. But can you imagine you're doing a scene and then you just have to be like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like it's very, very strange as an actor. Very strange.

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I don't think we had a plan. I think we were just rolling with it. Obviously a mistake on our part. What did you do? What went on? Did you model more? Did you? No, I mean, I modeled a little bit.

I mean, the big mistake that I did was I was at a movie premiere party one time and I went with a casting director named Todd Taylor. And anyway, not important, but somebody from William Morris saw me and saw me there with Todd and wanted to have a meeting with me to go and meet with them for representation. And I made the big mistake of making that leap, that jump to William Morris,

because I wasn't ready at the time. It's like being thrown to the wolves. And also, I had just booked something with J. Michael Bloom and it's this great little small agency. But someone told me, strike while the kettle's hot. And it just was the wrong move. I know, it's hard though, you don't know. I really regret doing that.

And then that piece that came out really hurt me, really hurt my confidence too. And it's just, so yeah, so it was, kind of threw me off course a little bit. I mean, of course I modeled a little bit here and there because I mean, I was officially retired, but. Oh, wow. But, you know, they throw some really good money at you to do something like,

oh, sure, you know, I'll do the Carolina Herrera fragrance, two, one, two. Yes. Launch the campaign. And yeah, so I did that for a while. I feel like I just basically partied in New York for six years. I don't think you were alone. Yeah. That was what people did.

Yeah. Nights, I mean, I remember many, many, many a day waking up at 2 or 3 p.m. Wow. So, you know, I had just come off of working really successfully in the fashion world and just, I don't know, just having fun in the city. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Having sex in the city too, so. I'm sure you did.

Now let me ask you this. Did you know Candice Bushnell before? I did not. I met her on set, I think, that first day. Got it. And then were you guys friends? Did you? We... Don't say too much. Sorry.

Yeah, we, we, no, we became friends. Yeah. Okay. Cool. Because I know there are pictures of you out there and I didn't know if maybe she knew you before, because she did know kind of everybody. She didn't know everyone. Yeah, she's a fun girl. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And did you feel at the time, had you read her column in the book, like did you know the whole background?

I knew nothing about it before. Got it. So you didn't necessarily know, oh, this was Candice's life that it was based on. You didn't really realize. I think I was learning that on set that day. Got it. If I was even paying attention to that,

I think it was just more paying attention to being in the scenes. What you had to do. But yeah, I mean, obviously learned that at some point afterwards. Interesting. And then got the book. Well, she gave me a copy of the book.

Sure. And yeah, so it was, she's, yeah, fond memories of her. She's a fun, crazy character, yeah. Definitely, most definitely. I mean, she created a whole beginning. Created something incredible, yeah. Yeah, exactly. So, and then Darren Starr, did character, yeah. Definitely, most definitely. I mean, she created a whole beginning. Created something incredible. Yeah, exactly. So, and then Darren Star, did you, so.

I didn't know Darren either, and wonderful meeting him. And I just remember when I finished, I sent flowers to Darren and to Sarah afterwards, thanking them for a wonderful experience. So polite. No, but I mean. You're like too good to be in this world. I don't know, it's funny.

I'm so impressed. I don't feel like I was so good at the time actually. I feel like life has almost imitated art since doing those scenes. Wow, okay. Because I was not shy and apprehensive with women. Got it. I mean, I was like, you know.

I understand, you were feeling your power. My traveling all over the world definitely. Fed into, got it. To my lifestyle. Well, that is interesting because that's what was so disarming about you on camera, is that you were so beautiful and we are introduced to you in the modeling world and Stanford like gushing over you and then you're just

like disarmingly real and this is overwhelming and you don't see that coming at all, I didn't really even remember how good it was. So many things I don't remember how good, I had kind of thought, oh the first season we just didn't know what we were doing. When I look back on it I'm like, no, everything's amazing. They're not, it's not gelled 100% how it would end up being,

but it's all there and it's all working, you know? And you especially, and then for some reason, we just talk about you forever and Willie talks about you, Stanford. Everyone's mixed up in my mind, right? The real person and the fake person. But you know, I remember talking about you and I was like, you know, do you know Every Outfit SATC?

It's on Instagram, it's Instagram. Every outfit? Yeah. No, you don't know them. They have, we know them, we love them. They have a thing that began, they had gone, I think to Pratt, they had gone to fashion school and they loved Pat Field and her creativity and kind of like, you know, really incredible uniqueness

of our costume design. And they started a thing where they would analyze every outfit, that was how they began. I think they're called just every outfit now. They ended up going, now they're podcasts, they were just Instagram. They used to talk about you a lot. Like they're going to be very jealous that I have you.

Do they have my outfit on this site or something? I think they must have discussed, or they must have discussed like, where did you go? Why don't we ever get you back? They have this whole, oh, okay. Yeah, they have theories of what happened to you. Did you move to Iowa? Do we say in the show that you moved to Iowa?

I think we might. I don't know. I think we might. Really? I think Derek quits the business. I just wanted to move to Iowa and be a cop, have kids and be a cop. That was it.

I think that's what we say, which is crazy and weird. It must've been based on something. I know. I was Stanford's only client ever on the show, right? Correct. That you saw in person. Yes. You were, and literally, I think the only one

we ever heard of for a long time until, and just like that, and then he had another client that then he goes to Kyoto and becomes a monk, which we unfortunately had to do. We wanted him to have a fictional place where we could picture him at peace. Yeah, that was our idea for Sweet Willy. I'm not gonna cry.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but thank you. Ooh, your hands cold. Let me warm it up. Okay, so let me ask you, how on earth did you get into real estate? I got into real estate, just it was a moment of being out here and really.

So you moved out here. Well, I moved out here in 2003, actually. I probably never should have left New York. I should have stayed for a little while longer. But anyway, it was this opportunity. A bunch of my friends had moved out here and I just came out. I actually booked a ticket to come out.

I didn't pay for it, I let it expire. And then magically got booked on a job that weekend to shoot another little editorial with Matthew Ralston, this photographer. I know Matthew Ralston. He filmed one of our crazy promos in the white hat where we have to lip sync. Oh, great.

Yeah, yeah, he's great. Yeah, so came out that weekend and he took me for a hike up Ronan Canyon and I was just looking out on the city and I said, wow, this is really nice. And I love nature so much. And this is how I ended up here too. Not Matthew Rawlson, but Simaul.

So my friends said, Andrea, I think you belong here. I said, okay. Basically I went back to New York, was going to Italy for my summer vacation, but two months after being back from that vacation, I closed up shop and I moved out here. Wow, wow, wow. And I'd already been living in Boram Hill for one year. I sold my apartment on 10th street,

moved to Boram Hill thinking I would rebuy somewhere else in Manhattan and never did. Once the one foot was out, the other left as well. I get it, I get it. I just think New York is an interesting thing because like on the one hand, obviously I'm back there all the time and I do love it, but I love living here too.

Yeah, it's hectic, it's so crazy sometimes. It is hectic there, it is, you can get a little worn out. So you're a real estate agent in the Palo States, so tell us. Yes, I came out, I was a real estate agent in the Palisades. Tell us, and you will be again. Yeah, I will. I mean, let's hope.

I mean, the office is still standing miraculously. Everything around it burned. Unbelievable. Everything. Except for Caddy Corner is the start of Recruz's village or that long line of shops there. Yes. But.

Maybe his guys like put the fire hose over on your building. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know either. We got some overspray from when he was saving the village. Maybe, maybe. But yeah, so been doing that and I don't know when I'll be back in the Palisades. I mean, I really loved going there because many times

I live in Venice Beach. I'll hop on my motorcycle and just shoot up and right off the PCH and up Chautauqua. I go to the office and I really loved that. Yeah. It's going to happen again. Yeah. It's going to take a while. But that's I'm here. This is how I feel. I mean, I don't know. Yeah. But at least you didn't live there.

So so that's good. And good that that you're OK. Yeah. But I feel for everybody,, so that's good. And good that you're okay. But I feel for everybody, obviously. Yeah. So I've been doing this for four and a half years after, I was getting to how I got into it. I had just been volunteering so much time for so many different causes.

Environmental causes, environmental causes, political activism, working on presidential campaigns. And even on the Obama re-election campaign, I trained people to come into that campaign and how to speak to people and how to phone call. And all that stuff. So I was just sort of at a point where I'm so depleted. I mean, I haven't done anything for myself. I haven't made any money in so long.

So decided I was walking by some open houses and went into one. And I saw the price and I'm like, oh, my God, this is how much they cost now because I had bought mine years before and decided, yeah, maybe I'll get my real estate license and sell houses. Cool! So, yeah. Aren't you still filming the reboot right now? We are.

We don't call it a reboot. Oh, sorry. It's okay. I don't know what it's called. We call it a continuation, I think. I think that's our official word. Okay. Oh, great.

Because it's not Sex and the City. It's End Just Like That. And we have new characters, which is nice. I think that's our official word. Because it's not Sex and the City, it's just like that. And we have new characters, which is nice. And we're just trying to be where those people would be in their lives. So obviously we're not dating necessarily, though Miranda has blown her life up and is dating. But it's very different.

It's not about finding love in the way that Sex and the City was about. It's about aging and your relationships and your figuring yourself out as you go still. Because it never really ends, does it? Okay. Yes. I don't know if I described that well.

But yes, we are still filming. Well, I have to see it. I mean, is it already second or third season of that? The third is coming. It hasn't come yet. Which is somewhat miraculous that we're getting to do it. You know, like it's obviously, every time everyone thinks,

I think, I don't really know what people think, but it seems like everyone thinks that we're, you know, this big franchise and people just give us things, you know, here, do a movie, here, do another show. No, every single time we have to go repitch, we have to kind of basically like come, like please, you know, please, every single time, because we're, you know, we're a female based franchise.

It just doesn't really happen that much, you know? I can't think of another one that really has happened. So we're very lucky. The success that this show had is just crazy. It is crazy. Also, I was in Sedona, Arizona a year and a half ago. No, actually it was, was it, no, it was spring 2024. And went to Devil's Bridge, which is this hike.

I've been there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Did you walk out on it? Yeah, it's scary. It's scary. went to Devil's Bridge, which is this hike. And- I've been there. Yeah? Yeah. Yeah, did you walk out on it? Yeah, it's scary. It's scary, yeah. And those winds, it's like hectic.

Yeah. So we were walking back and trying to, I was trying to find the parking. We were trying to find the parking lot with a friend of mine. And this other group was with us. And there was this younger girl and this other guy. And anyway, at some point, this guy comes up to me and said,

hey, I just have to ask you a question from my niece. She's 17. She wants to know, well, do you want sex in the city? And I said, oh my God, she's a 17 year old. You know? I know it's amazing. It's Netflix. New and still recognized me.

I don't know how. That's impressive. I love it. Yeah, I love it. I know it is really odd. It's crazy how it just keeps recognized me, I don't know how. That's impressive. I love it. From that time, yeah. Yeah, I love it. I know, it is really odd. It's crazy how it just keeps going on and on and on. Yes, it is crazy and really hard to even like,

let really fully sink in sometimes, you know? Like, that's part of the reason I did this podcast is because when I'm out in the world, the different people who come and talk to me, it's just amazing, you know? And I thought, this is so lucky and unusual and obviously we really worked hard, obviously, but you can really work hard

and it still won't happen that way. It's not always in relationship to how hard you work. But you couldn't find a people who care about it more, a group of people who care about it more. I don't know if I said that sentence right, but all my podcast people are like, everyone cares so much. I'm like, yes, this is why we continue to do it and why we loved it.

You know, it was like our baby. We loved it so much. And the fact that it lives on is really amazing. And that's why I'm doing this, to kind of bring everyone together and share our memories and also create community in terms of like all the new people watching it versus all the original people who watched it.

And I feel like it's a bridge and there's so few of those in today's world, where you can kind of connect people of different generations from different places of different ethnicities. Everybody has opinions and feelings about it. And I love that. So let me ask you a really weird question.

I haven't asked a man this yet. Are you a Charlotte? Oh, am I a Charlotte? I was thinking about that because I looked up the background of your character on the show, actually. Oof. You don't have to say yes. I was never, I mean, I'm slowly becoming a Charlotte.

Oh, I like that answer. I've been transitioned. Okay, that's cool. For the past 10 or 12 years. I get it. That's how it is. You can be one and then you transition to another. Relationships started getting longer. Yeah.

Wanting more to settle down with someone. Nice. But it's not always so easy. It's not easy. I'm single. I fully understand. I fully understand. Me too. Right, but I mean, this is the thing I think is important though. You don not easy. I'm single. I fully understand. I fully understand. Me too.

Right, but I mean, this is the thing I think is important though. You don't have to be a Charlotte. I wouldn't think badly if you said, no, no, I'm a Samantha. I'd be like, cool. Do you know what I mean? They all have their own thing. And I think part of it is just like owning who you are.

Yep. Right? But sometimes it's owning the changes that are happening also. You are such a sweetheart to come on. Thank you. Thank you. I love you. So nice to see you.

I love you too. It's so nice and we really, really were so stupid not to have you back. Sorry. C'est la vie. C'est la vie for sure, but I just want to be the one to say that now cause I'm here and you know,

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