Are You A Charlotte? - Parlez Vous Français with Ben Platt... (S2 E12 "La Douleur Exquise!")

Episode Date: September 1, 2025

Au revoir, Big! Tony and Grammy Award winner Ben Platt is sharing his love for Sex and the City with Kristin. The Dear Evan Hansen star even wrote a song inspired by Charlotte. Ben and Kristin discuss Big's big move to Paris, Carrie’s reaction, and Will Arnett’s performance. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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In session 418 of the Therapy for Black Girls podcast, Dr. Angela Neal-Barnett and I discuss flight anxiety. What is not a norm is to allow it to prevent you from doing the things that you want to do, the things that you were meant to do. Listen to Therapy for Black Girls on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, I'm Kristen Davis, and I want to know, are you a Charlotte? Okay, you guys, today, thank you for joining us on RU.S. Charlotte. We have an incredible guest, Ben Platt. He is almost an Egot winner. He has a Tony, an Emmy, and a Grammy, everything but the Oscar,

which I have every faith he will one day get. You would know him from Dear Evan Hansen and also pitch perfect. He plays Ben G. And also, he was on the politician, Ryan Murphy's series. I mean, he is incredible. and he has this unbelievable concert at Radio City Music Hall where he basically says that he's a Charlotte and then he sings a song that he wrote about it.

So we're going to talk to him about that and so much more. Here is the incredible Ben Platt. Hey. It's very exciting. I'm so excited to be here. And we have a bunch of similarities or connections, though I've never officially met Ben. But what I have to start with, though,

and I don't know if you are aware of this. Tell me. So I fly a lot. I fly around a lot. And we had one season of the show and just like that where it was during the school year. So I was literally flying to L.A. every weekend to see my kids. It was hard. And I was deliriously tired.

So one flight, I'm on the flight, and there were some adorable young men on this flight. I was like, they seem familiar. But I was so tired. And we take the whole flight. There's some chatting going on. There's possibly a mother or a mother-in-law. do you do they mean there's some chatting there's some boisterousness i'm like i don't know who they are but they're super interesting we get off and i'm like oh my god i think that's bed plaid oh it was me i think

so and your husband was in york to l. yes i mean we do be doing that flight you didn't notice me no are you thank god i would have bothered you i'm so glad because i was so mortified that i didn't say hi to you i would have made you make a video for my sisters thank god in heaven because i thought to myself like, I mean, I was in my like, do not look at me phase, do you know what I mean? I might have had a hat on. I was in like my... No, planes is the most like, mortifying zone

to be a person. Okay, great. Because later on, I felt so bad because you have that super adorable concert where you literally say that you are a Charlotte. It's true. I do. I do. It was everyone in their brother sent to me. Yeah, I wrote a whole song. I don't tell us

about it. Well, yeah, I mean, I've very much identify as a Charlotte. Always have. I grew up with two sisters, as I said, and they loved the show and exposed me to the show, and most of the show memorized. So it's very formative to me as a gay person and a New York person. So I also from a Jewish family and very much the MO culturally, as obviously Charlotte becomes, is, you know, you've got to find your husband and settle down and buy the China. And, you know, it's all about like making a home.

And so for me and dating, like, even prematurely, that was very much my MO. And so I very much consider myself a Charlotte. So I wrote this song called Share Your Address. in my first album that's about kind of jumping in really quickly as soon as you like someone after the first couple dates. And I always say that it's very much inspired by Charlotte. Oh, which I love so much and it's so beautiful in the concert. It's so, so, so beautiful. And people kept sending it to me and I was like, this is adorable. It's before I had the podcast. But then I was like, yes, this is, we need to have him on the podcast.

Yeah, as soon as I heard this was a thing. Yay. I'm so glad you're doing this, by the way. As someone who loves the show and watches it before I go to sleep, but it's just nice to have someone to chat about it with. I do find this whole new, it's really. It's really. amazing to have lasted this long in terms of the show being culturally discussed at all. And then obviously we got to go back and do it and just like that. And then they came to me while we were doing it just like that. Asked me if I wanted you to do the podcast. I had had other chances to do a rewatch podcast.

And I hadn't been ready in a way. Yeah, of course. It seems weird in a certain way to look back and kind of live in the past. Like I didn't want to live in the past. Of course. But I had also never rewatched the show. and in my mind of course I love the show

I always love the show everyone knows I love the show but when I watch it I'm blown away by how good it is Yeah it's really good I hate to bring it too it's really good Thank God right thank God

like it's such a gift as an actor to just luck in like literally fall into a situation where everybody is trying to do something new and everybody is committed and everyone cares so much and our writers were so amazing

and still are and, you know, so many different things. So I'm so lucky that I did say yes. I'm so thankful that I did say yes. And I so understand that having to have the right amount of time between to live your life and be a person and separate and then come back to it fresh. And like I so understand that you needed to wait until the right moment to revisit. And now it's very therapeutic, really.

I would imagine. Right? It's so interesting. And sometimes I remember nothing. Like this entire episode was new to you? Totally fresh eyes. But when you watch it, does it put you back on the day? Like do you get flashes of like working?

days and random things. Little flashes. Because that is the way actors remember things. Yes, always. You remember like I was so hot that day or whatever. Like you can see me melting. Exactly. I can see me melting.

I'm going to see weird details that no one else would see or whatever. I don't even think I do. Yes, I did have flashbacks. Okay, good. I was hoping. I'm remembering now. The funny thing is that sometimes, like for instance, people over the years, it's always interesting to see what people remember and talk to you about, right?

People would talk to me about the S&M Club, and I'm always like, I don't know what you're talking about. Of course. This is apparently what I was talking about. Yes. The, la, la, la, delure exquisite. Thank you so much. I kinked to my hair. Good job.

I know. That's Charlotte's kink. I know. And I don't, I didn't, I have no memory of this at all. No memory of this at all. Except that there is, there's a picture of the cast, and I don't know where we are, possibly at a, like, a premier party. And my hair is kinked. which you know is scary okay it's a scary thing do you love it yeah of course and I just love that

that's her interpretation of the assignment when she shows up I know Charlotte is true to Charlotte always Charlotte is true to Charlotte well all four of them are which is why they're so iconic well this is true everybody sees themselves in in them is that they're very true to their you know their centers obviously they all change and experience things right they have like an id each of them that like stays very consistent and makes them feel like real people I agree 100 percent I agree 100 percent there are people there are people in the world who do not agree with us. They can come to me.

Actually, don't. Do not. Absolutely do not. I love that, Ben. Thank you for putting yourself out there for us. Thank you. Okay. So the thing, okay, here we are.

We're back. Should we go back and discuss? Oh, my God, of course. Okay, great. Or should we, I just want to just briefly touch on. So you're happily married. I'm happily married. I want to tell the story.

I found my hairy goldenblatt. And how did you find your hairy goldenblatt? Well, we met, his name's Noah Galvin. He's very talented actor and writer and singer and performer. And he and I met when we were like 19. Wow. Making like a web series, like a comedy web series. I never saw the light of day. I didn't even know this. Yes. We met really early on. Whoa. Our mutual friends who we made this film theater camp with, they were one of the first things that we all made together was this web series. They invited me in and I met Noah doing like

improv with him and we had a talent crushes immediately on each other. And then we started, you know, working together in the theater community, like workshopping musicals and stuff. And we started dating like right away when we were like 20 years old. Wow. And I, like, really panicked and sort of freaked out quickly. Understandable. And for reasons that I don't think I understood at the time, at the time I sort of expressed it like, oh, like, I think we're best friends. I think this is like a lifelong friendship.

I think this is like a lifelong friendship. And I don't want to ruin that by dating. And I don't think I understood at such a young age that, like, that is one and the same. 100% but nobody when they're young understands that. No, I thought those were like totally different categories. Right. You were looking for the heat. That's right.

Right. And so I sent him a text message. I was so long that it has an arrow at the bottom to go to the the rest of the text message, which wasn't the nicest way to do it. But he, so he was mad at me for a little while, but then he was, we became friends and he was very patient. And we were friends for like five, six years. Wow.

And then sort of had like a maturing turning point, mostly on my end of coming to my senses and realizing, you know, this was the sort of greatest person that I know has been in front of me the whole time. And he graciously allowed me to come to that realization. But we really gave both of us a chance to like sew some oats, which I really appreciate. I'm glad he didn't get together right away. and we're able to come a little bit more fully formed and we've been married almost a year.

Well, September 1st will be our first anniversary. Amazing, but then where's the dear Evan Hansen? So the internet loves to tell me that we met doing Dear Evan Hansen, which is not true. Got it. We already knew each other. Yes, always. For several years, when I was doing Evan Hansen,

I originated the part on Broadway and they were looking for replacement, and they obviously found Noah because Noah was very talented, and I was just like, oh, I loved him, he's amazing. I co-signed, that's amazing. So we already had a friendship and I was able to, you know, help him, you know, acclimate to like that really intense part and at least make the transition as easy as it could be. But, yeah, that was like chapter three or four in our story. That's amazing. That's amazing.

I love that story so much. And I love, I do think that there's just so many different elements of, first of all, you know, meeting when you're 19. I mean, that's kind of insane. Totally. So it's amazing that you were able to navigate that in a way and both have patience or. whatever it took time and patience and growth to come to the point where you did realize and you hadn't burned that bridge. It was, yeah, I'm very grateful to the universe that like I, for whatever reason, wasn't ready to deal with it. And so kind of blew it up for a moment and also grateful

to him that he stuck with it. And amazing. Congratulations. Thanks. It seems definitely like we could use the word Bichert. Yeah, it's Bichert. Love it. That's right. Love it so, so much. Yeah. I love that story. And I think it's also funny. I love to correct things that are wrong out there. Me too. Because people go on to something and then it becomes like it's real, but it's not. It's in the narrative, yeah. Right.

And I get it. It's such a fun, that's such a fun story. It is. Like we met doing to do Evan Hansen and it's like we both played Evan Hansen, but like, it's more boring to be like, actually, we had done a workshop of a musical called Alice by Heart and we had also made a web sketch together and gone to Bassar and stuff, but, but yeah. I love it. We still did both play Evan Hansen, so that's great.

Of course, of course. And that's a funny, it's a funny, like, quirky little, yeah, it's a quirky little thing. So, a year married. A year married. And is it what you thought it would be? Yeah. I mean, I think the bigger change for me, especially because I've known him for so long, was the cohabitating, like moving in and really, like, building a home together for the first time.

And this is a very Charlotte type of a thing. Exactly. How has it panned out? Really, really well. He's very aesthetically gifted, and that's very much his strong suit, which is not mine. I'm very good at cleanliness and organization and like logistics and sort of executing and he's a good visual ideas man so it's a nice combo but because we had already done that and started living together for like almost a year by the time we got married I think the marriage

part was sort of just like of course like this is naturally what we want to do next and what feels right and we didn't sort of come home the next morning and think like oh now everything is different and we've changed everything we just kind of watched Pop Star Academy and I love it. The funny thing about Charlotte's whole thing because people do talk a lot about the China because the China you know when she marries

Kyle and we're in Bergdorf and I flipped that plate over but also even the first season I go out with Carrie's discarded man and he doesn't like my China taste and I'm like out which is really funny to me but sometimes if you know you know

if you know you know in whatever way you find out whatever meaningful thing in your mind that is, I guess that's important to me. I do think like, wow, Charlotte. It's very picky, but she is. But she is. And I love that with Harry, they had to trial and tribulate and come to it on their own time. There's growth in Charlotte, which is super important. But the thing that was funny about it in my mind, and this is, again, like an actor type of a thing. So when she was married to Kyle, obviously, sorry, what's his name, Trey. It's so, It was so messy in my mind at this point, Ben.

I can't even. Did you have a nice experience working with him? It's a dream. Okay, good. He's wonderful on the show. He's amazing. Love the character. I know.

Amazing, right? And complicated. Very, very. Yes. Very human and, you know, heartbreaking and great and funny. I haven't gotten to that part of the rewatch yet. I'm looking forward to it because I do feel like I need to work some feelings out. We all do.

But what I remember is, of course, you know, the thematic is that this is exactly what. what she was looking for. Everything looks perfect on the outside, but it's not perfect on the inside. And that is her growth, is that that's not going to work out, sadly, and that then she's going to expand and grow herself inside and realize,

no, this person who doesn't look anything like what she thought she wanted is, in fact, what she really wants on the inside. And it has worked out to be, thank God, a happy relationship and marriage in the sex in the city universe. Kind of the only one. Exactly, the only one. As he likes to say, the last man's standing.

It's true. I know. And I'm so happy. I'm so happy for her and for him. Feels earned. It does feel earned. That's well put. Hello, it's Danielle Fischel. Rider Strong. And Will Ferdell from PodMeets World. And we're bringing you Viva Las Content. That's right. We are back in Las Vegas, the city of sin, and giving the people what they want. A full week of Y2K content. Wait, we're back in Vegas?

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He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them.

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It was right after COVID, we were, we had to get the sets out of storage and or rebuild them, depending on the situation, and recreate. It's like Twilight Zone. So much so. But yet, our children had grown up, right? So they were trying to update. They were like, how can we update? How can we change in a way that makes sense?

So the first day, I was the first person to work. What was the first thing you shot? Basically a day of crying because Big has died. Whoa. With the children who are now grown. Yes. Okay? That is brutal.

I had to go to work at 4.30 in the morning. I hadn't been to work in a while because of COVID, right? And sometimes the first week is awash because you're just like getting your bearing. And you're, that's so unfair. I know. I would never have known. Thank you. They expect a lot of me, okay?

But Michael Patrick was directing. So there's an ease in that. But I had my new children who we, you know, we've done a read through. We do, we're old school like that. So we've done that. I had my new dog Myrtle, love her so much. She's a she. I feel like I can say this now.

She's a she. I've been trying to keep this quiet for years. She's a she. So I often just refer to her by her character name, but she is a she, Myrtle. I love her so passionately. and I might start to cry. She's eight, okay? We just lost our dog in the spring.

His name was George. Here's George. Oh, George is beautiful. George is beautiful. Let's not cry about the dogs because really it could happen. So I'm just going to close my eyes for a second and talk about being at work, going back to work.

I'm all so excited but also so nervous. I have so many important scenes. I have to basically cry for like three episodes when we first came back. Right. It was a lot of Charlotte crying. And I can do that, but it was still a lot. So I go, I go into Charlotte's set. I'm so excited to see the things that I recognize. You know, she has that beautiful China cabinet with all of her China in it. We know this is important to Charlotte. Then there's this little vestibule where you're walking from the dining room into the kitchen. And it's where there's like kind of desks on either side. And they had decided that this was the children's area and that the children were messy. So it was like, if like someone's a bedroom exploded into a very small area. And I was like, you guys, whoa, what is this? Are you not finished?

You know, like setting up? Like, we could see this in this shot. They're like, no, no, that's how it is. Because, you know, the kids are messy. And I'm like, but I'm still Charlotte. It's true. They can't be this messy. She wouldn't let that fly.

Like, what on earth? And they were like, oh, so this whole conversation has to happen. And I'm like, anxious. So I'm like, no, it can't be like this. You know what I mean? Did they take the feedback? They did. Good.

Yes. That's what makes it feel real after all these years. Like Sarah Jessica talks about this too. Just like you guys take all of the details very seriously. Everyone. Because you know these women really well. It's true. And everyone on the set also takes all these details really seriously.

So it's really interesting. But what we had to come to like a happy medium of it, right? Because yes, they are teenagers. Right. But you're right behind them. Exactly. And also I would want them to be trying to be doing better, right? better, right? So also in their bedroom, we had like Lily's side be really neat and Rose

slash rock because she wasn't rock yet, not be really neat, right? So it was all very interesting. But anyway, you reminded me of that with the China because this really, the China stands out to people about Charlotte. It's like emblematic because she's also like very, I don't know, optimistic and elegant and naive and it sort of like symbolizes all of that. And that's also a really hard thing to play just to like gas you up for a second to play somebody that's so coming from such a place of earnestness. As someone who plays a lot of characters that are very earnest and is a very earnest person, that people don't have a lot of, like, they don't have a lot of, like, a very large tank for that. Like, it fills up quickly for them. So I think the fact that you made her

feel like a real person and sustained the character for so long and let us, like, go on the journey with her and lived in that space so consistently, it's like a really challenging, impressive thing to do. Thank you so much, Ben. Isn't that an interesting thing about society? that people are so funny about kind of like earnest, open-hearted characters. I know. It's one of my least favorite cultural shifts, I would say, is that like everything is cringe unless there's an apathy to it. I know.

It makes me want to cry. Yeah, it's not the best. No. And I feel like people do really, really love Charlotte. They do. I do. I'm glad. And I love you and your characters.

And I feel like we have to just keep on. You know what I mean? And even if people want to be critical and say like cringe, cringe, cringe, whatever, blah, blah, or she's not believable or whatever it is that they say, you just have to hang on and just do it anyway. Because if it's coming from a place of love and optimism, there's no downside. Right? It's just to add positive to the world. Yes.

Thank you. Yeah, yeah, of course. That's very healing conversation for me to have at this time. It's true. That's why I identify with her so much. Ask my husband, I'm very earnest in our home. I love it. I think you have permission to be earnest.

anywhere you want to be earnest. Thank you. Agree. You know? And I want to say also this is going to be on whatever. It's going to air. It drops after and just like that is finished. Oh my God, the whole thing will be done.

Wow. I mean, I only have the last two to see. So I don't want to hear, but I'm very anxious to. Very anxious to see. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

I haven't seen neither. And, you know, it's hard. Of course. It's a big chapter. It is, and it's a bit of a shock, you know? So I'm trying to keep myself together. I understand. Yes.

I have this portrait in my family's house of this clown, this, like, crying clown that was in my grandparents' house. I'm familiar, yes. So like the end of every show, because I, you know, since I've been doing this since I was a kid, so every time a shoot finishes or especially when you're doing a musical for like a year or two years. Oh, so intense. And you're like breaking with a family every time. It's like, it's a whole thing. Yeah, it's like a loss in a way.

It is. The good news with this is that we have already thought we were done a few times. And the joy of life is that we're never done in life. Yeah, of course. So everyone was like, what's it like to get back together? Well, we were getting back together on the set, but we have been together the whole time. Yeah, these are real friendships. Yeah.

Thank God. You know what I mean. It's very special. The pain is that I love making what we make. so it's sad not to make what we make. Of course. Like I would make whatever we wanted to make

with these people until I die if I was given that choice. When you find a happy fulfilling environment you never wanted to because they're a few and far between. It's true

as much as everyone tries to be that in our industry it's not always going to be that. You're not always going to hit the bull's eye, yeah. And I mean, you can have a great time and it cannot turn out well. Or you can make something incredible that everybody loves

and it was a miserable experience. Exactly. Yeah, which often is the case I find. Of course. Yeah, it's a weird. Definitely, definitely. Anyway, thank you.

Thank you. We're having some therapy on the podcast. That's what I'm here for. I appreciate this so much. Okay. Now, we're going to go back to this episode, La Delure Exquise, which aired in 1999,

which is crazy to say that out loud, right? I mean, I don't know. I was six years old. I love it. I realistically probably watched it somewhere like 2009, 2010. Got it. And how did it? And how did you start to watch?

Was it the sisters had it on? So my sisters watched, especially my oldest sister, Samantha, watched it like in real time. And I always knew it sort of in the background of my life. But I was obviously a little mature for me. And then when I was in like, you know, early high school and figuring out who I was as a queer person and developing my own taste and wanting to watch something that I thought was funny and culturally interesting and it sort of like came back into my mind.

And again, because my sisters, it's always there. Like they have trivia games. merch and so it's always was there in the back of my head and so I started to watch it and then I used to watch it every night before I went to sleep and just burned through the series and then since then I'm you know I can't really count on my hands how many times I've gone through and watched it amazing I probably have a lot more memorized than you which is great and that's what I started to say also the fact that it is now comfort food comfort watch for people if you had told us this in the beginning we never would have believed you like for us you know

people were like so upset with us in the beginning, which people forget now, right? They think like, oh, of course. It was amazing in the beginning. No, everyone was like, who are these women? Who do they think they are? I was sluts. I was going to how it was received initially. Because my other show that I always returned to and that I'm obsessed with as girls,

which is sort of like a metaphorical cousin of the show. Yes. You know, I think Lena's brilliant. And it was sort of a similar thing. I mean, I loved it the first time around, but where I think people are rediscovering it and re-appreciating how daring it was and how interesting and original. 100%. I feel like this is maybe sort of the same thing of like maybe we didn't appreciate quite at the time, like to center these women and the way you were centering them.

I think it was so shocking in the beginning. And really, if you think this is something I'm thinking a lot about now, our world has changed so drastically with social media, right? Where literally everyone is a critic and everyone has a platform, right? Back then, there were like a handful of white men critics predominantly, maybe a few others. at the big newspapers this was the thing or the magazines right so like we knew we had filmed the whole first season before it had aired

oh wow so there was no pilot situation it was just we did film a pilot and then they took like a year a year and a half something in my mind too long to pick it up but they did pick it up you shot the pilot and went away for a year so the second episode is a year later I got to go rewatch it and with that in mine

roughly Sarah's hair is brown in the pilot yes I remember yes now she tells me that I'm might be wrong, but this is like 1990, 97 that we filmed the pilot. No one can find the paperwork like exists somewhere. And I forgot to ask Chris Albrecht, who was running HBO then. We were still analog at the time. We were. We had to wait. Willie and I waited at the test for our very thick contracts, seven-year contracts, to be printed by the fax machine. Because the fax machine broke. And so we had to wait and wait and wait. No one was allowed to go in until you had your

your big contract printed. Do you remember the other people that were testing against you? It was no one, well, there was one girl who was there testing against me, though I really didn't perceive it that way, because in my mind, I was 100% Charlotte, and no one was going to come close. Though I do know another actress who's really wonderful who ended up being on another HBO show, who I do think tested, though, she wasn't there, which was good because I did know her, and that would have been weird. Perry Reeves.

Do you know Perry Reeves? Yeah, yeah, of course. Yeah, Perry was in the mix. Oh, great. would have been perfect and wonderful. But at the time, I was like, back everyone up because I'm getting this part. As soon as you read it, you were like, this is for me.

Yes, yes. But luckily Willie was there, so he was entertaining me, and I was not freaking out in the way that I would have been. And then there was a guy there who ended up being, he was reading for Mr. Big, but he ended up being Biggs toxic friend who would be like, that bitch, I divorced. Oh, at the dinner at the El Cantonori thing? I think so.

Is he that, he has two toxic friends? He always has a toxic friend. Exactly, but this was like the really handsome guy. I cannot remember his name right now. Anyway, he was there. And Willie was there. And then maybe like two other women. I think like a potential Samantha, because I think at that point Kim had said no.

And some people were stressing about that. Anyway, it doesn't matter. It was that, you know, the buildings, the tall buildings in Century City, the twin. Yeah. Yeah, it was when HBO was there. Wow. I know. So whenever I drive by, I'm like, oh.

The beginning. The beginning. Anyway, back to the episode. So we are here. The idea here is that, first of all, I want to say this. Do you know Alison Anders, the director? Alison Anders directed this. She was an indie film.

This is in our indie film era. I see. We had an indie film era in the beginning, like Nicole Holossoner. Oh, of course. Yes, I always recognize the name. That was our gig for a while. That's cool. Then we start mixing in the Sopranos guys.

So we got Ellen Coulter, Alan Taylor, you know, a bunch of, oh my God, Van Patent, Timmy Van Patten. Amazing, amazing. So then we kind of shift a little bit and then we get this incredible Charles McDougal British guy like amazing but then we've still got like indie women which was great and Allison was one of those Gas Food Logging was big in the 90s

and it was like right before this and I can't remember that much about it except that she was so cool she had tattoos everywhere and she's like like a mommy presence but funny and offbeat Mommy and so like it's a really well-directed episode right

Mm-hmm. Hello, it's Danielle Fischel. Writer Strong. And Will Ferdell from PodMeets World. And we're bringing you Viva Las Content. That's right. We are back in Las Vegas, the city of sin, and giving the people what they want.

A full week of Y2K content. Wait, we're back in Vegas? Tell me why. Well, for the Backstreet Boys residency at Sphere, of course. We sat down with Kevin Richardson and A.J. McLean just minutes before they took the stage, and our very own Wilfredel basically became the newest member of the band. Boy band, please. Plus, the man who has the longest running comedy show on the strip joins us and gets his props.

It's carrot top, baby. And finally, we all L-O-V-E-Hur, Ashley Simpson-Ross, joins us to talk about her upcoming sold-out Vegas residency. It's a full week of nostalgic interviews you don't want to miss. Listen to PodMeets World on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Oh, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot.

He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him?

Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. 29th, 1975, LaGuardia Airport. The holiday rush, parents hauling luggage, kids gripping their new Christmas toys. Then, at 6.33 p.m., everything changed. There's been a bombing at the TWA terminal. Apparently, the explosion actually impelled metal, glass.

The injured were being loaded into ambulances, just a chaotic, chaotic scene. In its wake, a new kind of enemy emerged, and it was here to stay. Terrorism. Law and Order Criminal Justice System is back. In Season 2, we're turning our focus to a threat that hides in plain sight. That's harder to predict and even harder to stop. Listen to the new season of Law and Order Criminal Justice System on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, and I'm the host of the on-purpose podcast, and today I'm joined by one of the greatest athletes of all time, Novak Djokovic. The world's number one male tennis player. He's won 14 grand slams in a glittering career. Novak Djokovic! You've been through so many injuries, losses. I always heard himself. What has Novak Djokovic done?

What goes through your mind when you lose? I just want to be left alone. What has it taken to become Novak Djokovic? It's a consistent practice. It's prayer work, mindfulness, meditation, conscious breathing. It requires more responsibility from you on a daily basis to prepare yourself for the biggest battle. When you reach your 30, you start counting your days to your retirement. I'm 38 this year.

How far can I go? How long can I push my own limits? Listen to On Purpose with Jay Chetty on the IHeart Radio Hour. Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Super Secret Bestie Club podcast season four is here. And we're locked in. That means more juicy chisement. Terrible love advice.

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Today we have a very special guest with us. Our new Super Secret Bestie is the Diva. of the people. The dave of the people. I'm just like text your ex. My theory is that if you need to figure out that the stove is hot, go and touch it. Go and figure it out for yourself. Okay.

That's us. That's us. My name is Curley. And I'm Maya. In each episode, we'll talk about love, friendship, heart breaks, men, and of course, our favorite secrets. Listen to the Super Secret Bestie Club as a part of the Michael Thura podcast network available on the IHeart Radio app.

Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. Okay, let's talk about the episode. So this episode is directed by Alison Anders, and it's written by someone named Ollie Levy, and I'm sorry, I don't know who that is. Like sometimes I'm just like I see names. I'm like, oh, I don't know who this person was. Was it like a room and then different people would write episodes?

I think they had a room, and it's Michael Patrick and Ollie Levy, and they would have a room beforehand, and then when we were, working in the beginning. It was Darren and Michael. Then Jenny joined. Soon Cindy comes, but not quite yet, I don't think. Cindy's shoe pack. And then Cindy and Jenny become executive producers as well. And then slowly we start adding in people that last. Right. But I'm sorry, Ollie Levy was not one of those people who lasted. Or maybe had just been in the room. Exactly. So this also, we've got some incredible guest stars, Will Arnette. Very funny. A little baby face.

I know so handsome. Oh my God. Really funny. and it's so good. So dreamy, so well cast. So well cast. And James Urbaniac. Yeah. I don't know if I'm saying his name right. I think it's Urbaniac.

Thank you so much. Urbaniac. That sounds better. And weirdly, both of those people end up on the office. Oh, yeah. Isn't that crazy? That is bizarre. Another show I love so much.

And I also really like James on Difficult people. If you haven't watched Difficult people, it's a really funny show. I haven't watched Difficul. I haven't watched Difficol. Oh. Really, really, like, satirical, funny show about New York. He's very good at that. Very.

So the thing that I find really funny about this, and we're going to be technically rewatching, but I just want to say, you know the whole thing with the internet and the feet? Yes. Of course. Wiki feet. I mean all of it, right? Like, to the point where I have some lovely girls, I call them my digital girlies, and they come over and help me film stuff for social media, and they cut my feet out of everything. And I'm like, why do you guys, it's like the best part of the outfit? Why are you putting my feet out? They're like, we can't put any feet of any of our people on. I was like, is that bad? And they were like, yes, it's that bad. The internet is the shit show. I know, but it's like an early version of it. Truly. That this shoe salesman is willing to give Charlotte free shoes if she tries shoes on. I know.

And then we have this really awkward scene where he's theoretically, potentially having a sexual experience. Though I remember so much stress about how we were going to do that, that it wasn't just going to be awful. I was going to say it's very funny taste. uncomfortable. I think it's, and James does a really great job. He does a great, great job. He does a great, great job. And I do not think I was that nice to him.

I'm just going to be really honest. I think that I was not in love with this storyline. Yeah, you were probably feeling really anxious about it. I was feeling very anxious and like, what are we literally actually doing right now? Like, I get the theme of the show, but like, like, what? Like, what? And I remember that, like, you know, he massages my feet at one point. And I don't think he, I don't know what he.

wanted or what he didn't want because also I was just like what and I remember them saying to me like he's a really big deal in the indie film world like be nicer to him and I'm like I'm I'm I'm having trouble like because to me and I don't really think of myself at all as a method actor but like I am very much informed as this guy exactly yes by the storyline like it's very hard to jump over yeah well that's your first context for someone right and you don't have any other context for them do you mean it's not like we're hanging out enough in a different setting or whatever anyway I was I was really stressed, really stressed about this. But I think when I watch it, that it works. It really does work. And also, again, to bring it, like, only a character that's as pure-hearted and naive as Charlotte, could we watch go through that and be like, oh, you poor thing. Totally. I get why you're saying, yes, they're gorgeous.

You know what I mean? Like, we go on the journey with her. Well, that was my other thing is, like, would she say yes? And, I mean, but the way he plays it, too, it's pretty charming. Yeah, it is. Considering what he's actually asking. Like, he goes about it in a way. that isn't like...

No, there's an elegance to him. Definitely. That matches up with her that she thinks... And it doesn't really start to turn that corner until the very end, that last piece. And then it's not as horrific as it could have been. No, no, no, no. Not at all, not at all.

So anyway, thank you. That was good. We just did Charlotte's storyline. Now, someone else pointed out to me that Samantha doesn't really have a storyline. No, she kind of opens the episode, and then that's it for this. Right, but she's got that whip, which is fantastic.

But I think it's important to mention, and this is something that one time I was doing one of these, and I was like, storyline. She didn't have one, right? Because we had storyline A, B, C, D because there were four of us. And the show's only 22 minutes. Yeah. It's insane what they were able to get in there. It's true. But one thing that I've been watching the development of is that as writers, what they started developing and it hasn't totally gelled in this episode. We have a theme in this episode that's very, very accurate and excellent for the different, you know, storylines. But what starts happening as we go is the, the voiceover, she'll say something like, and then uptown, and they'll cut to me, uptown, and downtown, they'll cut to Samantha downtown, and, you know, on the east side or whatever, they'll be Cynthia, and they're really, really quick, and they pull it all together. But we're not totally firing on all those right now.

So some people might have the D storyline, which is very much less, and so that would have been Samantha. But then usually what we're doing is filming two episodes at once so that we can crossboard the locations, because in New York, the locations are the thing. Of course. So we can have one restaurant where we're outside maybe that restaurant and then inside that restaurant. Maybe we pretend, yeah, we might pretend it's a different place

or we might dress a corner of the restaurant differently so it doesn't look so identifiable. And you probably have a good storyline in the other episode if you didn't have a storyline in the one. But it's hard when you're watching it, of course, to know that or whatever. But it's not like anyone was meaning to leave Samantha out, just like no one was meaning to show like that out.

But it's still finding it's, It's juice and like there are those magic episodes where it's like all four stories are really like inherent to the theme and they all feel like really irrevocable from each other and I totally got it. And the reason in this particular episode that there's not as much time is because the carry and big story line is a big turning point is massive. It's one of the biggest turning points. And it is so unbelievably good. It's really good. And Sarah Jessica, if she hadn't been winning awards, which actually at this point she hadn't been completely one needs one. one for this particular episode.

Yeah, really amazing. I mean, let's just start with the meme. You know it's a very popular meme. Carry out the door with the hat on the whip. Oh, well, as well, it should be. And can you believe his reaction? Like, like two. Well, that's kind of why they were so special together

because he lets her come to him. It's so bad. Which makes us hate him. I hate him so much. I want her to beat him with that whip. But then we get it because we're like, listen, we've all been there. We've all fallen there. We've all been there.

Wanted to be the chaser. I didn't know this was a meme, but I totally get it. Oh, yeah, it's big. You'll search it after we do this. Okay, I will. I will. Because her in that outfit

with that whip and that hat is good. Because then she appears to the door again with the beret and the McDonald's, which is also a meet. Which I totally get that one. And I mean, I get them both. But the thing that's funny with the big thing is, so when I first started with the first season,

I'm like, Big is so awful. Big is so awful. It was really this huge thing for me because I had never second-guessed it ever. Obviously, I was in it. Yeah. But obviously we've all known bigs and or different versions of bigs. Of course.

We still know them. Right? It's like very fucking true. Yes. Yeah. Of course. It's so annoying. Of course.

So I'm very identified with Carrie through all of this, right? I mean, we all. Right. Right. And that's why she's such an incredible character and whoever wants to criticize her can just like, whatever. I think a lot of that comes from people recognizing things within themselves that they don't like, that they see mirrored by Carrie. Oh, how mature. How mature.

I love heroes that are complicated, much like, not to always bring it back to girls, but much like Hannah Horvath on Girls, who also does a lot of challenging things, but we all do challenging things. 100%. And it might be hard to accept those sides of ourselves. But that's a much more interesting person than just perfect, perfect.

Absolutely. Well, also, we would never have a show. No. Like, have you seen that there's some guy on Instagram and or TikTok who is like, this is how people want Carrie to be? She's like, it's really, really funny. He's like, I'm going to call my therapist. I'm not going to call my friends and talk to them about Big.

I'm going to call my therapist. And I'm not going to go shoe shopping. Exactly. It's really, really entertaining. Anyway, back to the show. Back to the show. So what I love so, so, so much. So, okay, we start the show.

The first season I've been like, Biggs awful. That's basically every episode. Then the second season, he's amazing. Yeah, he starts to come around. Like, oh, thank God. He's so. charming and they're so great together and I was so happy. Then we have this beginning of this episode. She's there in that outfit and he's just like blah, blah, which obviously then is the

engine that, you know, pushes her to the wall where she finally says all the things she's been wanting to say and realizes her own issues in terms of trying again and again and again to get him to do. To be considered in his life in a real way. Absolutely. Oh my God. You're hired to be here every week, Ben, with these insights. But what I love, so here I am not remembering the episode, right, and just starting from the top and being like, oh my God, I don't remember being at that bar. This must be the thing that people keep talking to me about, the S&M bar. And look at my hair.

That's hysterical that I say. She's like, what's your kink? And I'm like, I kinked my hair. It's so Charlotte. It's perfect. It's so perfect, and I love it so much. Don't remember any of it. Amazing.

Remember all the shoe things. Don't remember the S&M. You don't remember the spanking, the waiter. You don't remember the guy. hide up in the chains. Nothing. I'm sure it's 5 a.m. It might be 7 a.m. Like we were all night, every night, and all those things, I have no memory whatsoever. Which is interesting, because you think I'd remember that. No, it kind of makes sense to me that, like, the things that we would consider to be the, like, shocking, like, oh, you must remember this, like, salacious thing. It's like,

no, you probably remember this, like, two-hander thing that you couldn't get and it was four in the morning. Like, you know what I mean? It's the random stuff that you remember. It is true. And also, I think because I was, you know, nervous and confused about my own storyline that I, that, you know, that took my, my attention. And I also do remember the scene that you're talking about where it's the three of us walking and talking because I was so excited to be there because sometimes Charlotte's left out. Yeah. And I was like, I'm here in the middle. It's wonderful. Like even when you were doing it just like that, if Miranda and Carrie had a walk and talk, I'd be like, why am I not there?

And now that I'm rewatching, I realize that the Miranda Carey's storyline of walking. and talking is a through line that is so powerful and amazing. A couple of friends walked a couple of blocks. Just wait. You have so much. I mean, I know, right? Also, it's because their dynamic is so interesting and Miranda really tells her the truth.

Like, people are like, well, why didn't people stand up to carry? They did. Miranda especially did. All the time. Hello, it's Daniel Fischel. writer strong and wilfridel from pod meets world and we're bringing you viva las content that's right we are back in las vegas the city of sin and giving the people what they want a full week of y2k content wait we're back in vegas tell me why well for the backstreet boys residency at sphere of course we sat down with kevin richardson and a j mclean just minutes before they took the stage and our very own wilfridel basically became the newest member of the band. Boy band, please.

Plus, the man who has the longest running comedy show on the strip joins us and gets his props. It's carrot top, baby. And finally, we all L-O-V-E-Hur. Ashley Simpson-Ross joins us to talk about her upcoming sold-out Vegas residency. It's a full week of nostalgic interviews you don't want to miss. Listen to PodMeets World on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Well, wait a minute, Sam, maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon.

This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, they're the same age. It's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them.

I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

December 29th, 1975, LaGuardia Airport. The holiday rush, parents hauling luggage, kids gripping their new Christmas toys. Then, at 6.33 p.m., everything changed. There's been a bombing at the TWA terminal. Apparently, the explosion actually impelled metal glass. The injured were being loaded into ambulances, just a chaotic, chaotic scene. In its wake, a new kind of enemy emerged, and it was here. to stay.

Terrorism. Law and order criminal justice system is back. In season two, we're turning our focus to a threat that hides in plain sight

that's harder to predict and even harder to stop. Listen to the new season of Law and Order criminal justice system on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, and I'm the host of The Unpurpose Podcast, and today I'm joined by one of the greatest athletes of all time, Novak Djokovic. The world's number one, male tennis player. He's won 14 grand slams in a glittering career. Novak Djokovic! You've been through so many injuries, losses. I always showed himself. What has Novak Djokovic done? What goes through your mind when you lose? I just want to be left alone.

What has it taken to become Novak Djokovic? consistent practice. It's prayer work, mindfulness, meditation, conscious breathing. It requires more responsibility from you on a daily basis to prepare yourself for the biggest battle. When you reach your 30, you start counting your days to your retirement. I'm 38 this year. How far can I go? How long can I push my own limits? Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Season 4 is here. And we're locked in.

That means more juicy cheesement. Terrible love advice. Evil spells to cast on your ex. No, no, no, no. We're not doing that this season. Oh. Well, this season, we're leveling up. Each episode will feature a special bestie,

and you're not going to want to miss it. Get in here! Today we have a very special guest with us. Our new super secret bestie is the divo of the people. The divo of the people. I'm just like text your ex. My theory is that if you need to figure out that the stove is hot, go and touch it.

Go and figure it out for yourself. Okay. That's us. That's us. My name is Curley. And I'm Maya. In each episode, we'll talk about love, friendship, heartbreak, men, and, of course, our favorite secrets. Listen to the Super Secret Bestie Club as a part of the My Cultura podcast network available on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

So Carrie has the scene where she goes to Big in her incredible outfit And she's trying to be funny and fun and sexy And the night goes okay I think they like they hook up they sleep together And then in the morning he just drops the bomb That he is going to Paris for months She asks him if he will go if he wants to do a Hampton chair Because Charlotte has asked her to do a Hampton share

And he says oh I can't because I'm going to Paris And she's like what? And she's standing on the bed And then she leans forward which is so cool and interesting because you know most directors would be like don't stand on the bed but this is why the show is so awesome right she's standing on the bed in her cute vintage

slip which I love so much and she is so good and so deeply you know upset and thrown and trying to hold it together she's really good at I mean she's an amazing actor all together but she's really good specifically at receiving information which I always think is a really hard thing

information that you know as a person as a human being you already know that like making it feel like it's being heard for the first time. Yes. She's really expert at that. She is expert at hearing and also expert at covering. But also it's just enough covering that the audience is with her.

They know what she's going through. Right. It's a very, very fine line to walk. And she's amazing. Yeah. I mean, I always knew this. But rewatching, I'm like even more, wow, wow, wow. Okay.

Then he says, oh, yeah, it might be for years. He's such a dick. I'm sorry. I'm so mad at him. I get so mad at him. it's the avoidant it's the like emotionally unavailable avoidant like like it's just the way it's the way it's first of all it's not like relationship ending to say my work is going to take me to paris and i think we're in a weird space where i don't know how to um handle that and i don't think it's

time for you to move but maybe like it's it's he doesn't have any of that language it's just like i have to be able to just throw things out and like do what i want right i'm going to do what i want otherwise i'm threatened absolutely absolutely he doesn't take her into consideration in any way, shape, or form, which is why she does what she does the rest of the episode, which, thank God, right? Thank God. Okay. Oh, wait.

I have to bring up Stanford for a second. Of course. Love the streetlights so much. So much. So much. And, you know, I was, like, young queer person figuring myself out and doing my first dating and stuff. And so, like, to see, it's just like a regular sweet, like, not Mr. Perfect superhero man, like, go out and try to, like, have an experience like that.

It was so wonderful. And it's like before the apps, right? So he's online. I know. It's like proto apps. I know. It's the cutest. Big tool for you.

Big tool for you. Rick 9 plus. Oh my God. It's so good. And the way that Willie does it is just so sweet. So sweet. He just wants connection. I know.

He just wants connection. And he's intimidated, which I understand so much from a straight woman, but also from a gay man's perspective. Obviously, many gay men friends. And the pressure is real. Oh, my God. Of course.

especially the body stuff. Like, specifically having it be a story where he has to, he's like, in order to have this experience, he got to strip down and just bear it all. And then he has a really great, like, flirtian encounter. It's just, like, so affirming. It's really sweet. It's so affirming and beautiful.

And the way he does it is just so good. And another thing that I didn't really realize at the time because Willie was straight and stressed sometimes about how to play Stanford. I think he'd be okay with me saying this. I hope so. He and I were going to do a rewatch podcast. I know.

Yes, the week that we decided to do and just like that, we were supposed to sign our contract. Wow. I know. We're still cry together. It's going to be bad. I'm going to have trouble. He's around.

I know. So we were going to do a rewatch podcast, which would have been so much fun. But he was really worried because he thought he was going to get in trouble because he had like no filter in life. Did you get to work with him? No. I just admire him from this, but never got to.

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. An incredible human being. and funny and cutting, like super smart and cutting in life. That comes across. Yeah. I mean, Stanford is incredibly sweet compared to Willie.

Willie was sweet, but, like, could also, like, cut to the bone. Do you know what I mean? Sounds like my husband. Oh, love it, love it, love it. So we were going to do this podcast together, and he had said to me, after we ended up doing and just like that instead, basically, it seemed too weird to do both at the same time. And we didn't think we'd have time, which is true.

And I didn't know that Willie was sick at the time that Willie knew. And he said to me, one of the things he was worried about was that when he signed on to play Stanford, in his mind, Stanford was gay, but it wasn't the whole, like, essence of him. He was in this world equal with us. Yeah, it's about the relationship and the person. Right. And then there were times he felt that certain people encouraged him to be more flamboyantly gay than he had wanted to be originally. And there was a person that Stanford was based on who was in our world and would come to our part. parties and stuff, who you never would have ever known was gay.

And I think he was like a lawyer or something. Like, you know, Stamford's a manager, vaguely of models or whatever vaguely. Yeah, the perfect underwear man. Exactly. The boner, maybe, something like this. But this guy was not in any way flamboyantly gay. And the idea was that Stamford was based on him in some vague way. And so Willie's struggle in the beginning was that sometimes people he felt would come up to and be like, gay it up, gay it up.

And he felt like, is that right? Is that wrong? I don't know what to do. Yeah, I understand that. He was worried about talking about that because he didn't want to like ruin Stanford for people or make people uncomfortable about it. But when I look back on his performance, to me, it's just the most beautiful balance. Yeah, I think it's so well calibrated. Right? And I'm not, you know, I think it's like a snowflake in terms of the whole. whole like queer people playing queer people, straight people playing queer people. I think it's case by case. Clearly there was plenty of queer people in the creative like space making this feel

like a real person and writing him as real person. Clearly, Willie's coming out of with a lot of talent and humanity. Like in this case, I see it as such a positive representation of somebody who's also like, you know, or neurotic and nebushy like me. So obviously I connect to him. But just in terms of like an actual person who's not just, you know, I love a snarky gay assistant who's there to just be a starkey gay assistant, but Stanford's like a whole person. So I really, I couldn't agree more. I'm so glad. I'm so glad. You're the first person I felt safe to talk about this. I'm so glad. We should do this once a week. Me too. I mean, I really, I really like, because he's not in the show enough in the beginning, right? Like he comes and then he goes and usually I'm just like awed by just

looking at his beautiful young self, you know, and remembering him. But this episode, because the storyline is so beautifully written, it really reminds me. I love the two of them in the apartment I'm drinking the martinis and him being honest about it with Sarah Jessica. Just like so many times with my girlfriends. Right? And you know their friends from like when they're in their 20s. And you so feel it. Oh my God.

And she can't stop laughing. Yeah. It's so adorable. It is. I'm so glad it's on film. You know, me too. Isn't it a beautiful thing? It is.

That girl and gay best friend relationship is a very sacred special thing. Sacred special thing 100%. And just like Anthony, but that's not this episode. Absolutely. But, but they all. all matter. Of course. You know, and they're all different versions and they're all real to us. And we all have them. Thank God in our lives. And it's so important. So important. Okay, I'm really trying to cry. I don't know if I'm going to do it. Okay, let's get to Carrie in big because

it's super important. This whole episode is so incredible and I so relate to Carrie and I so think Sarah Jessica is just fucking brilliant. Yeah, I agree. Like so incredibly brilliant. And at this point, in her life, she's happily married to Matthew. So even still, like Ozmy the depth that she's pulling from you know and when she throws that hamburger which we're not at I mean it's so good oh god and I love Alesson Anders for making us all feel so comfortable what I see when I look at this episode is all of us feeling very safe and comfortable and settled into our parts at this point in the second season and an audience-wise

you feel which you always to a certain extent you do but particularly in this episode like in the room with people like it feels very intimate very intimate because the show has a lot of style so sometimes the like sharpness in the style can can create like a bit of a move in a way that's i think intended but a lot of these like more messier emotional moments like in this episode like i felt very like let in and i think a lot of that is alison yeah i think she's she was so chill and laid back and i can see that in sarah like there's a there's a take where Sarah's got her computer, but her legs are on either side, and the camera's behind her. Like, it's creative and fun.

And Sarah Jessica loves that stuff. You know, like, give her props, give her, let her do weird things with her body. Like, she's so... She knows how to make a space feel like she really lives in that space. 100% because she's a very physical actor, you know. She's intellectual and physical. It's very interesting. It's very, very interesting.

It's so interesting to watch your friends, too. Yeah. You know, because you know them, right? That's the bad. I mean, especially watching a friend you love and respect. Like, I made this movie theater camp with no. with my husband and being part of the you know the cut process of that and you know shooting and like just watching him work like it it can be a really challenging thing when you're watching a friend

or or your person when there's not a belief in them or like there's there's like a criticism you know what I mean where it's like it's not a talent that you really believe in because it's that that's hard that line is hard but there's nothing more special than like someone you love as a person and you can really admire that there's have a special ability oh absolutely absolutely okay so Well, here we are. We're with Carrie and Big. We're with Carrie and Big. Oh, wait. Should we talk about, we should talk about the Will Arnette? Because that's a pretty funny storyline. So good. And so New York. So New York. But I know what you're saying about the episode, sort of like, that storyline could kind of go anywhere.

Totally. It's just its own little pocket episode. It is. It is. It's not totally a game. It's kind of a game. But it's so funny. Right. It's so funny. He wants to have sex in public places. So they meet at a bookstore, basically the Strand on the street, talking about biographies. So he takes her, where Mark Twain wrote, which I think we all know as New Yorkers, like it's right there, we've all been there, I've never had sex there, and he wants to have sex there, which is funny, and then they have sex in a cab,

which is, that's a bit of a stretch for me. And she says, take 9th Avenue. Yes, which is very, very, very Cynthia, though she wouldn't be having sex in the cab, but she is very directing of the drivers. We can suspend disbelief for the show that they somehow made it happen in the back of the cab. I mean, look,

I'm sure people have. Of course. I have definitely made out in a back of a cab. the best places to make out. Definitely, but not the rest. She's a great on-camera maker-outer, Cynthia, I will say. I think she's amazing. I mean, she has no fear. She has no fear.

She's not concerned. Whole hog. 100%. Sometimes anxiety-provoking way for me as her friend. Of course. Yeah, I would be like, is anyone protecting her in that moment? You know what I'm saying? Because there's no intimacy coordinators, as we know back in the day, just whatever.

And she's like, yes, I'll do it. Yes, my feet are dirty. I don't care. Film them. Like, you know, things were I'm like, didn't have anyone have a wet one. Come on. Anyway, that's me. That's me.

That's me. And I play Charlotte. It's very clear, very clear. Okay, so here we are. We're Stanford confesses to Carrie about the cyber sex. Which is so cute. On the internet, big tool for you. We've gone over all that.

Then they have the, duh. I'm back at the shoe store. And his name is Buster, which is kind of hysterical, like Buster Brown. I don't know if anyone will get that reference at this point. I know Buster Brown, but why Buster Brown in this? They make shoes. Oh, the youngsters. This is like from the 40s, okay.

Don't ask me why we did that, but all right. I'm getting free shoes. He's charming, but slightly, ew, but that's okay. Then we have this adorable walk-and-talk. I'm wearing my own shirts for some reason. Really? That's another thing I'm thinking about. Does that happen a lot when you go back and watch?

In the beginning, yeah, we didn't have a lot of budget. You can see that it's getting better. The fashion is getting better. But, like, sometimes I would go shopping and I'd be like, I want Charlotte to wear this. So then I'd just take it, you know, and try to, like, it's a work in progress, me and Pat, figuring Charlotte out. It's a labor of love. And being able to afford Charlotte, basically. Well, Charlotte has very expensive taste.

Very expensive taste. And I'm wearing this beautiful necklace. It's a butterfly. It's got rubies. It's a vintage necklace. I wore it a lot. And then at the end of the season, we're still trying to get press, which I know is insane to think about now. I know crazy.

Yes, but we had to try anyone who. would talk to us. We'd be like, sure, ask us anything. We'll do anything. Like at one point they were like, tell us your worst dates, which I unabashedly did. And Cynthia Nixon called me and she was like, why did you tell them that story? I was like, well, they asked, I don't know. I felt like I had to tell them something. She's like, don't ever tell that story again. I'm like, okay, okay, okay. Well, now it's like the currency, you know, not to get off topic, but in the, in terms of like press tours and stuff, it's like that becomes more important than the movie or the it's like, it's like, what stories are you telling and are you cool on camera and is it, is it, is it

It's crazy town. It's like, what about the, what about the movie? Yes, right? Totally true. I feel like we were on the like the forefront of that happening. Totally. But we understood because they were trying to relate it to the show. You know what I'm saying?

Like you as people, which is the lasting power of the show. Yes. Right? But then you're also giving up your personal stories to whoever it is who's going to present it, however they're going to present it. I think now the good news is you have more control because you have your own social media, et cetera. Hello, it's Danielle Fischel. Writer Strong.

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Listen to America's Crime Lab on the IHeart Radio app, Apple. podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm only going to ask like a few fan questions, I promise. But how far into it was like being yourself around New York like no longer possible? You know what I mean? Yes, I do know what you mean. I would say in my mind, I don't remember getting difficult till third season. In my mind, third season is when we boomed.

other people seem to feel that we were already the shit. I didn't personally feel that. It didn't permeate you until then. I mean, I had been on Melrose Place before that, right? Which had its own kind of culty kind of a following. So I had some of that that would follow me wherever I was. But I mean, like, you became like emblems of New York. It's true. And people always would say, oh, you know, no one in New York cares about actors.

I'd be like, mm, not really true. It's not really true But that was because we were a New York show And they felt like we were theirs You know But I also feel now Well, no, it's different See like in L.A. I learned where to go

And where not to go, right? Like Brentwood, really easy Yeah There's a lot of actors in Brentwood It's cool. Well, it's so segmented Like in New York it's sort of like You're out, you're out

You're out, absolutely But there was a time where I realized I cannot walk down Madison Avenue Yeah And that kind of sucked You know what I mean? But like if I walk down I know, right?

Like if I walked on Madison Avenue, if I actually wanted to window gaze or shop or whatever, I couldn't get anywhere. You know what I mean? It was frustrating. Small sacrifice. Yeah, it was totally fine. I just had to be creative.

You know what I mean? There was one time, and then I'm going to have to get back to the show because you're too fun. There was one time we were shooting somewhere near Barney's. And so Jessica said, hey, do you want to go shoe shopping on lunch? I was like, definitely. She said, let's leave our security behind.

I was like, okay. This is later when we got security. At this point in time, we're just out there. Our trailers would be on the street with our characters' names. And one day, someone knocked down my door, and I thought it was an AD. So I opened the door. And it was some guy, fan-ish-type person saying, ask me, and I was like, well, I shouldn't be talking to you.

And I had to shut the door. Yeah, it was like, kind of cuckoo. We changed all that as time went. But the time that Sarah Jessica went to go to Barney's, we thought we could lose her. security guys. We each had one at that point. Q was mine. Love him very much. Khalid was hers. And she told Khalid she was going to have lunch in her trailer and he could go have lunch. Tricky. And then she snuck over to mine and we went, but Q followed us at a distance

and we didn't know. But it was a good thing because we get to Barneys at lunchtime and we're trying to dry on shoes. It's so stupid, right? Like right in the... It's so dumb. It's lunch hour in New York City at Barneys. It's packed with women. And there's just a crowd. of course and you're trying on shoes at that I know it's so stupid and at one point Q was hiding behind a pole and we just see him like do you need me? We're like yes just so we could get out of the building the lengths you'll go to for shoes I know right and Barneys I mean it was fun we were just trying to be girls for a minute I know okay back to the oh the episode okay oh my god you're too much fun okay

sure that shoe store we're good with that I want to get to big because this to me is... The fight. The fight of the end. Yes. So basically, Carrie talks to us many times about... And this is when I think about the narcissistic Carrie situation, right? Where for like a couple years it seemed like everyone just wanted to criticize Carrie for being narcissistic.

To me, first of all, I don't think she's narcissistic. I think that we're hearing... First of all, everybody is a little bit. Well, yes. Let's just say that. Let's say she's not more so over it. You know what I'm saying. Yes.

And she's like twisting herself to... to try to be what he wants her to be. Exactly. Which is, you know, kind of a selfless thing to do. Exactly. I'm misguided, but. Yes, but we all do this or have done this, right? But also, I think as a viewer, part of the reason you feel like Carrie's narcissistic is because

you're hearing Carrie's thoughts. Yeah. Which I don't think people think about. Like you're in her head. We're getting the whole internal monologue. Right. It's like if we were hearing that for each girl, we'd probably say the same thing. Exactly.

Because everyone's internal monologue is narcissistic. That's kind of important. Yeah. And she becomes like such an omnibonabre. a narrator that she's sort of like helping us craft our judgments of what's happening with the other women. Absolutely. Absolutely. That's a great point. Thank you so much. I never thought about that. Thank you so much. So in this particular episode, she's like almost sending herself up in terms of like there's all these quick cuts where she's like talking to me and talking

Samantha and talking to Miranda. And I just kept trying to be what he wants. Like she's just going on and on and on. And it's actually really, really funny. Because it's like an exaggeration of what everyone complained about later on whatever the first reaction is the like her banging the table in the diner with you guys being like can't believe i'm here again yes and then she does like the one eight she like calls him drunk and like you know makes the wrong move and then does the 180 of like being embarrassed and feeling ashamed about that and so then she's back with with you guys and be like actually you know what like it's paris like it'll be great like i'll go visit him she's taking because that's what charlotte said originally and it's like what's a big

deal you can go to paris yeah she does her she like goes through her seven stages yes while waiting for him to come back. It's like we've all spiraled exactly that same way. That's so right. Does she call him in this episode? Yes. When she gets drunk with Stanford in that scene that I love. Thank God you've watched him so much. Then she calls him and it's like 4 a.m. in Paris and she's like

is saying like a real thing and is like trying to be like you're not considered. She's trying to say what she later says which is like you can't factor me into your life. But because she's drunk, it just doesn't come out well and she gets really embarrassed by it. And then I think she's cranky because he's asleep. And exactly. And so sudden she's like, uh-oh, am I going to lose him? And so let me try to reframe this.

And then she's with you guys walking. And she's like, you're right. Like, what am I freaking out about? Like, what's the worst thing about going to Paris with your boyfriend? Right. Just like doing her own like mental gymnastics to try to make it work with this guy's giving her like nothing. Haven't we all been there?

So much so. And then he comes back. So that's when she comes in her adorable beret, her French outfit. Someone asked me, how did Paris become this through line with them? And I think it's all just because we all love Paris. I mean, I would have to ask Michael Patrick, I guess. But this is, I think, the first time we hear about it. This is the beginning of what's going to be a very, very, very long through line.

Of Paris. Yes. I don't even want to say how it ends. Exactly. For decades. It's so important. But who doesn't love Paris? Of course.

I just went in the spring with my husband to the first, like, adult, proper trip there. I went with my family and I was a kid, but so dreaming. We just went there all together to promote and just like that. Oh, that's so fun. It was incredible. That is so fun. It was incredible. It was incredible.

So he comes back. She's wearing her beret. She has the... The filetal fish. Yes, the filetal fish. And she apologizes. And she tells him that she thinks they can make it work. And that they can have phone sex if he has to move to Paris, which is hysterical.

Yeah, we can have la phone sex. Yeah, which is also funny in terms of... Very funny. In just like that. because you're expecting something, which literally makes me want to kill him. I don't want you to uproot your life and expect anything. Right.

It's like, excuse me. Tall. It's so... After the mental gymnastics, after all that she emotionally has gotten through to try to get to that point to say it can work, he's like, but don't expect anything. This is the thing with big.

It's like it's one thing to be emotionally unavailable, but be able to articulate that you have that shortcoming, and it's another thing to not have any words for it and to just be abusive. Exactly. It's so sad. At which point she takes the back and smashes it against the wall. Which, you know, hallelujah that she does it, right?

Satisfying. It's very satisfying. And he deserves that and so much more, really. And then she says something like, I don't know if she says this to him. Does she say, why is it so hard for you to factor me into your life in any real way? It kills me. And he has no good answer, really. No, because he doesn't deserve her.

No, he does not. And then she said, you said, you love me, and he said, I do. And she's like, then, why has it hurt so much? And we're back to La D'Laurix squeeze. We are. And then, and this made me upset, and I didn't remember this. Then we cut to Stanford and we have some other scenes, but then he comes to her door in the middle of the night. And she lets him in.

I didn't remember the ending. Yes. She lets him in, and they have sex. They have this, like, unspoken goodbye night. Right. And I'm like, oh, no, because I personally don't believe in goodbye sex. I do not think you should have goodbye sex. I don't think I ever have.

I think I have and I didn't know it. Is it goodbye sex if you don't know it's good by and sex? Well, they know it and you don't. Do you what I'm saying? Because I'm Charlotte, right? Yeah. So I'm thinking that this must mean it's going to be good now that we're okay. But it doesn't mean that it's like goodbye sex, which is awful.

Yeah, it's honest, but it's awful. I don't think it's honest if you don't say it. I just mean like, of course she, of course they would want, like, there was no closure and he has no ability to give them any closure. Well, good point. Because he's such, he has just, like, no, you know, he's a lot of growing to do. Totally. And so if this is the only kind of closure that's being offered, like, I would understand.

Do you? I mean, I do. If I was Carrie and I was in that kind of a web, I get it. Yes, she has a lot more understanding than I personally, Kristen, would ever have in that moment. Because then she's sitting there in her fantastic black bra in the morning. And he says, what are you doing over there? And she's sitting there and we hear in her voiceover that she feels tied to the chair and she can't get up because she knows it's over.

Yeah. And that she wants, he says, come back. And she says, well, I want to, but I can't. It's so good. It is. It's really good. And I so admire her, um, carries understanding, but also Sir Jessica's abilities in that scene to convey such emotion without conveying it on her face.

Yeah. Do you mean? Like you can feel it all, but she's not exhibiting it for him. You know what I'm saying? She's protecting herself in the scene, but you as a viewer know. We're the, this is my other fan question. I promise the last one. Sure, no.

Were the voiceovers already recorded so that, like, you know in the middle of the scene? Someone will say something and then you'll take time to think while we hear Sarah say something and then the, like, she has to then match the timing once the cuts already there. Yes. So basically when you'd read the script, they'd be there. So we know what's being said. Yes. We just don't hear it yet being said. And then she would go later.

And you'd have to ask Michael Patrick and Sarah, and I think I should ask them at some point, how often they changed them. Do you know what I mean? That would be interesting. Because once you see what you have. Yeah. But that's what I was going to say,

especially in this moment at the end, it's like there's such a good synergy between like what she knows we're hearing and what she's giving to him. Right. But I think a lot of that is her incredible abilities, you know, and incredibly, deep thinking on where

Kerry's at and what Kerry's doing and this sinking between Michael Patrick and her and Darren too I can't remember at what point he's how active he is at this point but like even still ongoing like they they have a lot of private conversations about

this and kind of planning and discussing and Michael Patrick was always very including to all of us like even if none of us have credits except for Sarah at this point and I think she's just executive consultant which is kind of a made up title you know but even when we had no titles he would always come to us and say this is the arc

and this is what I'm thinking and this is where I want you to be thinking about going emotionally and you know very inclusive in terms of that which is an actor so helpful and then sometimes it would change but as a character you didn't know that change was coming so it was actually great do you mean and you'd call you like yeah I was supposed to have a baby

when Miranda's also having a baby and then it didn't I know and then it didn't that would have been such a different timeline I know. I mean, I love what it ended up being, but I... Me too, but at the time I was really mad at him. Yeah, I understand. Because I was like, no, she wants this.

She's got to have it! What do you mean? Because I couldn't separate, right, from myself and her. Of course, and you have such love and empathy for her. You want her to get what she wants, but then she wanted it so desperately. She did, and it was even more of a special thing. But he originally, the idea was to contrast how the two would mother. Yeah.

And then what he said to me, right? We still kind of got that eventually. Definitely. And when he said to me at the time... The second movie, when you're at the bar talking about motherhood, Yes. I love that scene so much. Yes. But at the time he said to me, because I don't think any of our other writers, all of whom are women, by the time we get to those storylines, no one had children yet. And he said to me, we don't have enough storyline to do two because we don't have kids yet. It's good to being honest about writing what you know is a good thing. Right. It's a good thing. Exactly. You're such a joy. Thank you so much. This has been like my dream. So fun. Thank you. Thank you for answering all my questions.

I mean, listen, you are a font of knowledge, and I so appreciate it, and you're going to need to come back. It's a formative, very special gift to this show has brought a lot of community. I know. And we have to make another show for you to be on. Great. Sounds good. Internet. Have you ever met Michael Patrick? Randomly, I think, at Chi Cia, like at a restaurant. Got it. Okay.

Justin said, I'm a huge fan. But not, we've never really sat down. Well, I'm keeping a list. Let's just make sure we officially ask you, are you a Charlotte? Oh, I'm very much a Charlotte. Because how many people have written a song basically based on their charlateness? Yeah, I think I kind of win the crown. I think you totally do. Well done.

Well done. Well done. Thank you for being here. Oh, my God, of course. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly. and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit.

Well, Dakota, luckily, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend's been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That seems inappropriate. Maybe find out how it ends by listening to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever.

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Listen to PodMeets World on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. December 29th, 1975, LaGuardia Airport. The holiday rush, parents hauling luggage, kids gripping their new Christmas toys. Then everything changed. There's been a bombing at the TWA terminal. Just a chaotic, chaotic scene.

In its wake, a new kind of enemy emerged. terrorism. Listen to the new season of law and order criminal justice system on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, and I'm the host of the on-purpose podcast, and today I'm joined by one of the greatest athletes of all time, Novak Djokovic. He's won 14 grand slams in a glittering career. Novak Djokovic. When you reach your 30, you start counting your days. to your retirement. I'm 38 this year.

How long can I push my own limits? Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I'm Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford, host of the Therapy for Black Girls podcast. I know how overwhelming it can feel if flying makes you anxious.

In session 418 of the Therapy for Black Girls podcast, Dr. Angela Nielbornet and I discuss flight anxiety. What is not a norm, is to allow it to prevent you from doing the things that you want to do, the things that you were meant to do. Listen to therapy for black girls on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. This is an IHeart podcast.