Are You A Charlotte? - Rabbit, Rabbit with Mario Cantone... (S1 E9 "The Turtle and the Hare")

Episode Date: April 7, 2025

Everybody's BFF, Anthony Marentino (aka Mario Cantone), is here, and what an episode this is! Immediately, we have to address Charlotte's addiction to the rabbit. Plus, everyone can relate to being relegated to the singles/kids' table. The conversation takes a more serious turn when Kristin and Mario address settling when it comes to relationships. And, the coffee shop that just isn't the coffee shop! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Something unexpected happened after Jeremy Scott confessed to killing Michelle Schofield in Bone Valley Season 1. Every time I hear about my dad, it's, oh, he's a killer. He's just straight evil. I was becoming the bridge between Jeremy Scott and the son he'd never known. At the end of the day, I'm literally a son of a killer. Listen to new episodes of Bone Valley Season 2 starting April 9th on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Kristin Davis and I want to know, are you a Charlotte? We are here at Are You a Charlotte with the fantastic guest Mario Cantone and

we are going to rewatch episode 109. It's called The Turtle and the Hare and it is directed by Michael Fields. This is the second episode directed by Mr. Fields who unfortunately I have no memory of. I'm very sorry Mr. Fields. And it is written by Nicole Avril and Sue Kalinske. Who I did stand-up comedy with. No both of them? No, Stu, Sue Kalinske. Who I think I've met.

Yeah, we worked together many times with while Michael was at the club at the improv. Okay, so there's a connection. Because this is the season when our writers weren't really with us necessarily. They had written in LA, Darren had had a writer's room in LA and and scripts would come and we wouldn't necessarily meet them, unlike every other year, right? And Jenny, at this point, we rewatched last episode 108 with Jenny, that was her first, Jenny Bakes, that was her first episode, and she reminded me that she had been a consultant, she'd been brought on, she'd been, that was her episode to write, and then she was a consultant, so it was her, Darren, and Michael in in a room which is kind of amazing to think about

and I hadn't really remembered that she had been around first season. Jenny, after Sex and the City put me on two seasons of Men in Trees. No way! Yeah. Oh, fun. Which was very nice. At first she called me up, she was like, come on. Yeah, she's the best.

She was great. She's the best. Okay, so this is a very interesting episode. Yes it is. As are all the She's the best. Okay, so this is a very interesting episode. Yes it is. As are all the episodes in the first season, right? Yeah. So as you know, all of us are in it. And then we have, we start at this crazy wedding.

Didn't it look like it was the 80s? Yeah, well, yeah. I mean, cause it wasn't the 80s. No it wasn't. But I mean, the colors and the room and the, and also we had no money. Like at one point, Samantha goes to a restaurant that's supposedly the talk of the town.

And I'm like, what? What is that restaurant? Oh yeah, with the bar and the, yeah. Yeah, that's like the saddest talk of the town restaurant I've ever seen. But we had no money in the beginning compared to, you know, later and now especially. But, you know, luckily now we have people asking us

to film at the super cool restaurants because we're still recovering, you know, the restaurant business. But back in the day, not so much. No one knew who we were or what we were doing. So we begin at this wedding where a character named Brooke, not played by myself, little bit confusing because I have previously played a character named Brooke for Darren, but no, it is not me. She's getting married, but Carrie thinks that she's getting married to someone who she doesn't really love.

And this begins the thematic conversation of, is everyone in New York settling in their relationships? Which is a really good conversation to have. And a very, very important, I think conversation to say in my mind, obviously I'm single, but in my mind, you should never settle. Like, I do not think that you should settle. No, I agree.

People are nodding at me. Yes. Oh, I agree. And I love, there's this one moment, I'm just going to talk to you about it now, I sometimes go out of order. There's this one moment where Carrie goes out with a bride after the wedding to return some wedding gifts. And's still trying to figure out like, is she happy? Is she not happy? What's going on? Is she pleased with her decision or not?

If she doesn't really love the guy, which doesn't seem like she's passionately in love. And she says something like, what does it feel like to be married? And the Broke character says, it feels like a weight has been lifted. And I felt that, I felt that. And isn't that crazy that I would still feel that today in 2025. And I know that things have changed about this, but like we are so socialized that you have to be paired up in whatever way that is.

It might be married, it might not be married, whatever it is. It is a social situation where people want an explanation if you are not paired up. Oh sure. And it is stressful. Yes, I'm sure it is. I'm sure it is. Right? Yeah, especially for, I think, well back in my day, especially for straight people. People were gay, they were like, whatever. Right, but then gay marriage became acceptable. And I don't know, do you feel that pressure now? You've been married for a long time. I've been married for a long time do you feel like that pressure you know I never felt that

pressure because I just I'm a coupler I definitely was always a coupler I wanted to be with somebody right um yeah but when I met Jerry it was you know 1990 I met him well and I was with someone else at the time and then we were friends for a year and a half and then I went when I broke up with my ex-wife we started to get together like six months later it just accelerated into that but it's yeah I mean I didn't settle I knew yeah oh he's awesome you didn't settle at all no no okay so wait this is okay so first of all let me talk about how we look at the wedding. Because what's going on with all of our hairs? My hair? What's happening? You look, the four of you in that corner with all the big hair.

We look insane. And it is ADS. Right? It is ADS, ADS-esque. And kids got feathers in the back of her hair? Yes. I've never seen that. What were we thinking?

And you looked all kind of like, like there was a slight like punk thing going on too. Totally, we're wearing black. And we talk about like, oh, and then when they cut, she was at the kids table. Oh my God, I almost fell out because this still happens to me.

I mean, it's rough to go to a wedding at this point because I'm like, if I have to sit with those children, I don't know what I'm gonna do. I don't know what I'm gonna do. You don't wanna do that. I don't really wanna do that, but you know, sometimes people do get married and I do feel like I should go.

So we'll see, but I have one coming up. I'm sure she's not. I mean, if I'm sitting with my own kids, it's okay. Yeah, sure. Right? Well, don't you hate when they mix you up too? They won't put you next to the person you came with. Why are you doing that?

That's not right. Yeah, no, that's not right. I want you to get to know people. I don't want to get to know people. What is your situation? You know what I mean? Right? They can be.

But anyway, we're at this woman, Brooke's wedding and we're at the reject table. Yep. Which is like so harsh. It's so harsh. We've got kids and then we've got this man, Bernie Turtletop. Yep. Who's kind of hysterical.

He's known for good investments, but bad breath. And I'm really happy. I mean, first of all, Samantha has this whole storyline with him that I found kind of perplexing I don't remember this at all right. There's like since when did Samantha try to like fix anyone up Yeah, and right and settle right even if it's a lovely sheet She knows she comes to her senses, but she kind of but it's definitely different than we see later like like it I also thought like oh Samantha also is getting kind

of worked out, right? Because I don't ever remember that. I don't ever remember that. But the nice thing about when she takes this guy out, she dresses him differently and whatnot. And she tells him that he has bad breath. And he says very sweetly that he's taking these Chinese herbs, which I totally relate to, because I have many times

in life been taking Chinese herbs, and I probably had Chinese herb breath. I don't know. But he very sweetly says that and she's like, oh, we can work on that. And it's kind of sweet of her. You know what I mean? Like she's very kind of motherly to him. She actually wants to better him. I know. And then she gives up. He's talking about those mushrooms for too long. Okay. He's analyzing the mushrooms in his dish. And there's like six possible mushrooms it is and she's like, yeah Maybe no one cares. She says really sweetly also really sweetly and he's like, maybe it's Chanterelle or whatever it is And then she's like I'm out. Yeah, which is really that really made me very but that was a very departure type of a Samantha

Yes, right. Also similar to when I mean mean, not similar but kind of similar. Earlier in the episode she comes to my, I take her home because she's drunk and she sleeps with my doorman. Yeah. Yes. Also, I mean, very Samantha, but also it's funny to see her drunk and like not together. Yeah. You know what I mean? And Charlotte's trying to take care of her, which is kind of cute. Yeah. And then this is the the rabbit storyline when we actually went to the pleasure chest and filmed. Oh, that's right. We're at the pleasure chest. You know what's funny about this episode? I was rewatching it and I had just seen it. Coincidentally, I had just seen this episode on HBO. Oh, wow.

Maybe like a month ago. You're kidding. I was like, I was rewatching. I was like, wait, I just saw this. Wow. Wow. Because I remembered you being addicted to the. Yeah, I'm addicted to that rabbit man a departure for Charlotte a very very different thing for Charlotte Charlotte and that's what I thought when I saw it. Yeah, that's what I thought when I saw it I know about a month ago. I just remember this was my take it out of bed

No, I know my hair is a mess. Yes, you mean and I'm wearing green Silk what the heck, man? Yep. And you see like a lot of my apartment, which is not how my apartment was later. And I've got a big wall of books, which I think is super awesome. And where did those books go? Because now in Charlotte's apartment, they're all white. They're wrapped in white paper. Yes.

Yes. It's just a design. So Charlotte, I know. So Charlotte. Anyway, back then they were all their real bindings, which is cool. Charlotte was interesting, but also kind of mysterious. You're like, where's the real, or who's the real Charlotte? And where is she going? What is she going to turn into? Right. I mean, we of course know.

Oh, we know. But back then, I don't think she knew, right? Because at first she's like, no, no, a vibratorator's not gonna take you out for your birthday. A vibrator's not gonna say I love you She's like gives them a little speech at the very sad coffee shop Oh, yeah, the real coffee shop in in Long Island City that kind of scary coffee shop sad and scary Do you remember? No. Yeah. Yeah No, the coffee shop is not a set it's a real coffee shop in Long Island City Which like in the middle of the warehouses that used to be there. She was saying that, you know, it's not gonna say I love you. And then all of a sudden she's addicted and she's canceling on them.

I know. And she's a bad liar, which is so mean. So mean. I'm a terrible liar. Terrible liar. I know when they come they bang on my door and then they grab the vibrator which I thought was brave. Oh yeah. You know I was like they were and I do vaguely remember some conversation. I also I vividly remember being at the pleasure chest because I'd never been to the pleasure chest. I was like I can't believe we're filming here and we had to hold the thing up in our face right? Like like you can't you know on film you can't ever hold anything down here because then they have to cut to an insert. You have to hold it up. It's like right in our face. I was like, Oh, what? All of us, all three of us are just like, it's got the ears. It had two prongs. I know it's a crazy situation. It's a crazy situation.

Yes. The rabbit was a big deal. I love the title. The turtle in the hair. I know, I know, I know. So I like that departure, but can I tell you what else pops up in my mind? This is what I do. I free flow my memory and then I'm going to look at my papers. Yeah. Sarah Jessica and I are doing that yoga scene and we're in the top floor of Silver Cup, which was empty at the time. So like if you were to look out the windows, you would see Manhattan in the distance, which

we also filmed in last season of and just like that. And I believe we actually. Was it her apartment? Was it her? No, it was somewhere we were supposed to be in Brooklyn. I can't remember what thing it was, but we were supposed to be in Brooklyn so we could use the the the skyline. I remember we heard that. Also, what I did, the scene I did with with with Estee, Sarah Jessica, when she was going to buy that apartment.

Oh, yeah, yeah, I was on top of it. They built it with the skyline. Oh, the one with those with two of the ones. Totally. Yes, they built it up there. That was up. That's the same floor. The same floor. Jessica and I had been a yoga teacher before before I got Mower's place. Oh, and we're up there and it's very cold. They have the air conditioning on too much. And I'm like, you guys, it's too cold. You know, the sets are often too cold.

They're having to do a lot of work. I get it. But we had to do yoga. And I remember saying like, we need to, we need to warm up. We need to warm up. We need to warm up. But Sarah had been a dancer, right? So she's super limber.

I'm pretty limber, you know? And we're just doing our stretches. Sarah Jessica pulled a muscle in the back of her leg that I still feel bad about. Because we had that stretch, but you're acting, right? You're acting and you're not thinking. And I know she's very limber. And I remember just like doing the thing

like we were supposed to do. And I just feel like I pulled her too far or something. And it hurt her to sit on it on a hard chair for years. No way. Like we'd be in a theater scene, you know how we had all those scenes like the fashion show, not that she was sitting with us,

but we'd be sitting somewhere and she'd be like, oh, I just feel terrible, terrible bad. I don't think she blames me, but I still feel bad. I still feel bad, but I love that scene. I do too. It's a really fun scene and we look like little children obviously. Which is really funny.

Okay, back at the wedding, we're at the wedding. I mean, man, oh man. I don't even know what to make of it. Like when you look at people, you know, let's just talk about women right now for a second. Let's leave gay men out of it. Okay. Or gay women.

Yeah. Let's talk about straight women. Yeah. Do you feel like there's pressure to settle and get married and have the thing, the big wedding and you know, still? I still do. I do. And you think times have changed, but I do. Also, there's, I don't know if there's social pressure. I guess there is some social pressure, but there's a lot of inner pressure that women put on themselves. Because they've been socialized. They think that this is what it's supposed to be.

That it's going to make you happy. Yeah. When, if you had a friend that you felt was settling to get that marriage, you know, would you say something? No, I wouldn't. You know, after they were divorced, I'd be like, I never liked them. But you know, beforehand, I can't do that. No, it's too delicate, right?

It's difficult. You really have to make sure, even if they don't get married, you have to make sure they are broken up and they are never getting back together again. Before you say anything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. You don't want to create problems. No, you don't want them to be mad at you. Right. Yes. I know. It's rough, though. I don't ever say anything about anything because I don't I don't really know what's going on in that relationship right, it's not look and The rules to one's relationship is none of anybody's business That's and there are different rules to different people's relations. That is a very very good point Something unexpected happened after Jeremy Scott confessed to killing Michelle Schofield in Bone Valley Season 1.

I just knew him as a kid. Long silent voices from his past came forward. And he was just staring at me. And they had secrets of their own to share. I'm Gilbert King. I'm the son of Jeremy Lynn Scott. I was no longer just telling the story. I was part of it. Every time I hear about my dad, it's, oh, he's a killer. He's just straight evil. I was becoming the bridge between a killer and the son he'd never known. If the cops and everything would have done their job properly,

my dad would have been in jail. I would have never existed. I never expected to find myself in this place. Now, I need to tell you how I got here. At the end of the day, I'm literally a son of a killer. Bone Valley, Season 2. Jeremy. Jeremy, I want to tell you something. Listen to new episodes of Bone Valley, Season 2, Jeremy. Jeremy, I want to tell you something. Listen to new episodes of Bone Valley, Season 2,

starting April 9th on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to hear the entire new season ad-free with exclusive content starting April 9th, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. We cut back to Carrie and she's typing Call us on Apple Podcasts. We cut back to Carrie and she's typing in her adorable way, I just love it so much. Then she calls Big and she asks him, why did he get married?

I have to say, I've been on a very big journey with Big, re-watching the first season, because I just can't believe how he is to her. Like he's just so not giving. You know? Yeah. Until this episode, I felt like he broke down a little bit more. He's a little warmer to her.

Do you know what I mean? Finally. Finally. Finally. Because I think also she's going through this whole thing of like oh I'm dating someone who never wants to get married again What should I do and she actually has to contemplate all these things and then he has to kind of like Reach out to her rather than her always reaching out to him none of these things ever occurred to me when we were filming

This well, what's not you're seeing it in totally differently totally I think because the times, but also think when you're in it, you're just trying to do it. You know, you're just trying to do it. And Charlotte was so big. So I was during that scene when they call this a split screen. Yes. Very Brian De Palma issue or love this blitz screen. Yeah, it was loved it. And they they talk.

What do you think of that? I love it. I was weird. I what I immediately went's a split screen. He loved it? I liked it. I did. I did like, I like, look, watching it, like I said to you, I like the tone of it too. I like the tone of it so much. I did like it a lot. And it flies by so quick.

It sure does. It's 22 minutes. It's like bam bam bam. Yeah. And you're like, oh, I want more. It's like, it's a short. It's 22 minutes. It is. It's very short. I know. And they get so much in there. I know. The writing's so much in there. I know. The writing's so good.

So, so good. So, so good. Okay, so Carrie calls Big. And she basically says, you know, why did he get married? And then he says he was a fool in love, which you're just like, what? Really?

At what age were you a fool in love? Cause this is not who we know him to be. And then he says he's never going to get married again. And then... Yeah, which she... You see her gulp. Exactly. You see her shoulders kind of... Which is also, I think, kind of surprising in a way.

Because she's quite the, you know, the girl about town. Well, that's when you know that she really has deep feelings. Deep feelings. I know. Sweet Carrie. Then... So last week we found out that he had been married. Now we're casually finding out, but I do feel like this is how relationships are in the beginning, right? Like people just say stuff, kind of like, of course,

but in reality you're over on the other side, like what, this is a clue, this is a bad clue. You know, like you're nitpicking, not that, not nitpicking, but you're just like accruing details, right? Trying to make the picture together. Okay, so then the rest of us are not surprised to hear that Big doesn't want to get married. But I think this is a major bummer, which is so funny because this is something that I would say now.

Oh, silliness. You wonder if they were paying attention to how I talk. I don't know. But then, of course, Samantha Samantha carried, not surprised at all. And then she says, I wasn't even thinking about getting married until I was told I couldn't. Which I think is so true, right? Like you're just on your own tracks and you're assuming that other people are possibly on that track too. And then you hear that they're not and it's a shock, right?

Because you're just kind of going about things, assuming that there are possibilities, right? That's not always the case. No, it isn't. Right. But I do feel like that's a lesson that Carrie learns basically every week with Big. Yeah. You know? And it fluctuates too with her relationship with him. I know. Just went back and forth through the whole thing.

I know. And like, God, how? You rooted for them and then you didn't and you hated them. forth through the whole thing. I know. And like, God, how, how? You rooted for them and then you didn't and you hated them. Apparently I only rooted for them. And now I'm like, why did I do that? That's it. Do you know what I mean? Yeah.

But that's how it is too. I think like sometimes when you're too close, you're not objective. No. You know what I'm saying? And I also think that they have the chemistry they have and therefore you root for them. Right. Exactly. Right.

Which is also why she ended up marrying him. Eventually. Just took a very, very long time. Yes. Very, very long time. Took a movie. It took a movie and then another. Yep. Kind of. Yeah. I mean, I guess, yeah, but then we didn't. Yeah. Anyway, back to the show. Okay. Back to the show. So then I say really adorably that I want my relationship to be based on honesty and communication, which I would still say. Yes, you would. In life and in Charlotte. Yes, you would.

Right? And I'm not wrong. No. Like this is what a relationship should be based on, right? No. I think everybody wants that. Well, not all the characters, apparently. Well, not all the characters, apparently. Do you know what I mean?

Well, your character. My character, definitely. And I think that's great. I'm like the mature voice, which is amazing. You're like the voice of reason. I'm the voice of reason. And see, I never realized that in the beginning. I thought I was always so naive. Well, yeah, there's a way to look at it that I am.

You are right. But it's but it's different. It's you're it's it's you're a little bit more conservative than that's what it is. I'm conservative, right. But there's conservative but it's different. It's been, you're, it's, it's, you're a little bit more conservative than. That's what it is. I'm conservative. Right. But there's conservative. Not conservative politically, I'm talking just conservative in life. No, conservative in terms of like, once you get married, once you have kids,

there's very open about that. That's the goal. You know, from the get-go pretty much. Right. And obviously we know, we know that she comes up against some, some, you know, difficulties because of that, which is fine. Cause I like that. So then, as my producers write,

this is the start of a major storyline, a big not wanting to get married, which honestly, I hadn't remembered this either. You don't remember? No, I mean. Well, I don't either, but. Because we were in it, you know what I'm saying? And I think had I remembered that,

then what happens later would have made more sense, right? But I also feel, and I think had I remembered that then what happens later would have made more sense, right? But I also feel and I talked, I had Oliver Hudson on two episodes again, so sweet. I love him. And he's done a lot of work on himself and he's also been married a long time. It was super interesting to talk to him about being a straight guy and what he remembers before he did and also married, right right successfully married before and how you know scared he was of expressing his feelings and communicating openly and then he learned how important it was and how you do feel so much more you're much

more available to love and all of the things that can happen when you're fully present and not you know with the wall right but if you know, with the wall, right? But if you look at Big, the fact that he has this incredible wall up for so long and somehow she handles it. She does handle it. I don't even know how. I don't know. You talk about rooting for someone and hoping they're gonna change

what she actually did later on, but she waited a long time. Right, but in reality, like now we would say like, don't try to change that person. He's not going to change. No, yes, we won't change. Right. Isn't that what I would say now?

Yeah. Right. It's interesting. It's interesting. But I also feel like I feel and I could be wrong and maybe we'll ask her about this when she comes up. I feel like yes, she wanted what she wanted, but at a certain point, she was also willing to not get everything she wanted to stay with him. Do you know what I mean?

Because it's not like in this, in this episode, there's the crazy storyline with Stanford, where she goes to meet his mother, which I had not really remembered. Right? It's so good. Oh, also when they go to the ballet, which, you know, Sarah Jessica loves the ballet so much and now she's chairperson of the ballet committee and does this incredible fundraiser every year and raises so much money for the New York City Ballet. And we on and just like that film at the ballet this year, which was incredible. And we spent so much money doing it. But we wanted to have that iconic New York situation. But to see she and Willie

walking around Lincoln Center in the night and she twirls, it's incredible. It's incredible. And way back then in 1998, we did that. Like it's amazing the kind of footprint of what would come in a much more kind of fully, fully developed way later. And in the settling situation, even though they're close friends and they love each other, there's the idea of them getting married. Right. And Stanford's like, why not? Because he would get his inheritance.

And he would get his inheritance. And they'd both benefit. He doesn't realize. Right, and he would be fine with her being with Big because he's gay. He's gay. Right, and it kind of makes sense. And she's like, maybe this does make sense.

And then his aunt, is it his aunt? It's his mom. It's his mom. Yes. That's his mother? You got to me, maybe this does make sense. And then his aunt, is it his aunt? It's his mom. It's his mom. Yes. That's his mother? You got to meet Willie Stanford's mom. And she says, you know, he's a fruit. He's a fruit. She says.

Yeah. Yeah. And then she realizes that he's not going to get the inheritance. So it's really not going to work. The plan's not going to work. But it is super interesting. I had not really remembered that whole moment.

I liked it too. And Stanford's like so sweet and and like vulnerable. And you remember when he goes, he puts an ad in the paper because we didn't have dating apps. And he basically says, Oh, yeah, a, a, a, oh my god, and Harris type, and Ed Harris type, and which is what you said to me when he said he looks like Ed Harrison and then I say to you Ed Harris how about Ed I have no hair. And then this guy walks up to him on the street and it's like this is not going to happen. I know he's waiting on the corner. Oh it hurt me. And his little face. Welcome to the gay world. Yep.

Oh my gosh that little sad face. Oh it just broke my little heart. Oh. Yep. Yep. Something unexpected happened after Jeremy Scott confessed to killing Michelle Schofield in Bone Valley Season 1. I just knew him as a kid. Long silent

voices from his past came forward. And he was just staring at me. And they had secrets of their own to share. Gilbert King, I'm the son of Jeremy Lynn Scott. I was no longer just telling the story. I was part of it. Every time I hear about my dad is oh, he's a killer He's just straight evil. I was becoming the bridge between a killer and the son He'd never known if the cops and everything would have done their job properly. My dad would have been in jail I would have never existed. I never expected to find myself in this place Now I need to tell you how I got here. At the end of the day I'm literally a son of a killer.

Bone Valley Season 2. Jeremy. Jeremy I want to tell you something. Listen to new episodes of Bone Valley Season 2 starting April 9th on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to hear the entire new season ad free with exclusive content starting April 9th, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. Okay, then, oh, then there's the insanity of the rabbit, which really goes on for quite some time. Right, well, just the, and then the, you know, like Charlotte's version of lying is really funny like, oh, I know I'm supposed to come out with you to go to the gallery, but something

came up. But then they finally go like, this bullshit and they break down your door. Really, really cute. So cute. I love them breaking down my door and taking care of me. It's so cute. It's so so cute. And then I say that I think I broke my vagina. That's right. Wow. Was it? Yes. Was it? Yeah, knowing what your character became, it's like wow.

And the fact that you got, you're the one that got addicted to this thing. That whole thing is just but that was a nice surprise. addicted to this thing. That whole thing is just a nice surprise. Yes, exactly. I agree. And they were trying to figure out like what can we do that doesn't, you don't see coming. You don't even think with her. And I was just trying to pull it off so that they weren't like get rid of her. I'm serious. It was on my mind. I was scared. I was very scared for most of it. So I'm just like, how can I make this? And also I've been in an acting class for so long, right? So I'm just like, how can I make this? And also I've been in acting class for so long, right? So I'm just trying to make everything as real

as I possibly can, do you know what I mean? But it's really cute when they come over. I love it very, very much. I love it and I really wanna watch it again. That was how cute it was. Cause it seems like we're in high school. Yeah. It's like a weird quality.

It's a really good episode. And I remember when I saw it about a month ago, I was like, this is a really good episode. Did you? You thought that? I did think that. Because I just thought the whole first season remembered it which is crazy see I thought that the rabbit episode would have been later like I remember things from it but I don't remember them I was surprised it was the

episode when I started rewatching it again yeah the other day because I was like wait I just saw this and this was from the first season totally yeah it's crazy yeah that's why Cynthia always told me that the first season was good and I was was like, no, no, she's right. She's 100% right. Okay, so we're back with with big Carrie tells a bag that she got a proposal and she's smoking in. Oh, yes. Which is hysterical. Isn't it funny to watch her smoking? Oh, yeah. Right. And like almost blows the oh, yeah, she blows it up. And then she's his face. So it's so close. And then he does a ring. She's on his chest. Do you remember when he does a smoke ring? I remember that. He was like very proud of himself that he did a smoke ring. Okay, wait, this is the intervention.

Now we're back to Samantha with the turtle, which again, so adorable and sweet. And he's sweet. Yeah, he is. Kind of feel bad for him, right? Oh wait, it's Stanford's grandmother. Yeah, that's... I kind of feel bad for him, right? Oh wait, it's Stanford's grandmother, not his mother. It is his grandmother. Yes, yes, that makes more sense. That makes more sense.

Cause I was gonna say, we really don't see anyone's parents. No. It's his grandmother who has the money. That makes sense. Then we're back. Now this scene really, really killed me because there's so many future callbacks to this scene where big is making sauce. Okay. And giving her the spoon. Yes.

Right. Being Italian, I had issues. You have an issue. Oh, yeah. Oh, he was like, you brown the onion and you brown the garlic and then you throw in the onion. I'm like, no opposite. You you brought you brown the onion. Okay. And then you throw in the onion. I'm like, no, opposite. You brown the onion and then you throw in the garlic quickly and then you throw your sauce in and then you cook it. I just made it the other day. That's all I do is make sauce. Okay.

Yeah, so that was wrong. The recipe was wrong. But do you remember how many times through all the years they've done this? That they've made sauce. Yeah, and he gives her some food. Like in the movie. Yes.

They do it in their beautiful apartment. I know, it kind of broke what's the second part was due to, you know, it's adorable. I know. But it's also like, that's the him that I like. Yes. You know, like, when I'm like this, this I can see what they had to be a certain thing about him, even at the very beginning that you rooted for and was hoping for that change and for that connection and ultimately that marriage. So you know. But see there are fans who would say that they were not hoping for that marriage. And there are fans who would say that they were on Aiden and not big.

Yeah, oh yes. You know what I mean? So not everyone. Right. But for sure, I mean the writers definitely, it was like the central storyline for her, right? Yep. Too big or not too big, you know, right?

Do you know what I mean? Wasn't it? Yeah, the sauce thing I... But I love that scene. I thought it was a great scene. And she basically says, you know, this other marriage proposal, like, God is not gonna, is not gonna work out. And then she says that she does want to get married someday.

And when you think about that this is season one, and they're having this conversation and how many years of show and then movies would go on for this to get worked out. But I also think it's very real. I mean. And also when they're in bed together and she's like trying to be all cocky. Like we're gonna get married and yeah I got a proposal today. And then he said, Stanford, and he knew, he was like, isn't he gay? I was like, yeah, and so the cockiness kind of flips back to him like, I got nothing to worry about, he's gay.

It's great. But isn't that kind of their thing, right? Because like, do you remember early on when he's kind of evaded her, wherever they're supposed to get together, they didn't get together, and she sees him on the street, and she leans over and tells him the word of the crossword puzzle.

Yeah. Like it's nice how they like trade power. And they do. Right. And that's, that's the saving grace of it all. Right. If it was just him being aloof the whole time, boo. No.

They trade back and forth. And, but this scene in particular, I felt like at least we're seeing the potential of him, the potential of their relationship, the potential of him being nice to her. Because like he holds her and kisses her at the end and is kind of reassuring to her even though he doesn't say, oh yes, I do want to get married. He doesn't say that. No, he doesn't. But his actions are more like caretaking and make her feel good, which is interesting. Um, then the, okay, the, blah, blah, but settling.

And then I got the paper in front of me. Um, yes, the theme is settling, which I think is obviously a fantastic theme and still incredibly relevant. Um, but we don't get a solution. Of course we don't get a solution. How could we get a solution to that? The series has to go on. And also this is still a question in society.

Like what's more important to you? Security, right? The security of a relationship or not suddenly? Sometimes that's the choice. Yeah. Don't you think? People do both. It's true.

Plenty of people that do both. And you, they either settle, and they settle because there's money and power involved. And, you know, Let me tell you something. I always said this. I was you know, what's going to be on my gravestone? What I can buy the whore.

I can't be one. Wow. I do not think that you should put that on your. No, I would never. Okay. I mean, what I mean, metaphorically, what I mean is, I can't I don't care how much money you have. Totally not going to be with you for money you have totally not gonna be with you

for money yeah I 100% with you I mean I'll buy my my suite at the day we're seeing Rome I'll buy this but I'll buy a car to get me some you know hysterical but I don't I was like I'll be fine I'm the one that's gonna have the money well I agree that's my motto is that. That's how you do it. Yes. And yeah I'll never marry someone. I know right. I don't understand it. I know I don't understand it either and the thing that I think is really dangerous about it is if you're a young woman like Charlotte right and I mean the thing that I do love about Charlotte though is first season she talks about the gallery every single episode which I love. Like work is important to her, you know, which I really love and I had forgotten.

Yes. Like most of her arcs is mentioned, you know, and then more so it comes back. Thank goodness. So it's not like she's like, I don't want to work, you know, the later, obviously there's a time when she doesn't work and the girls are like, you're not even working. Do you remember this later on? Anyway, I think that the mistake that, you know, mentally relying on someone else financially when you're young is a mistake. You know, it's a mistake that people very commonly make

because you have to get those skills yourself so that you'll be okay. Right, because, but sometimes you can't rely on those other people and then you're left high and dry and it's way stressful Or your miserable Which seems like a nightmare and then you have kids I feel like the the problem is they're relying on right like you can get married you can settle you can do all the different

Things just don't rely on them like keep your own bank account. Yes Right, right. Absolutely, right Important see and Jerry and I feel the same way. You do? Oh, yeah. We're very, you know, look, we have our money, but we're, we're, we're separate with things too. That's good. And yeah, look, it's, there's times he made more money than me and times I made more money than him. And that's just, you just rely on each other, went back and forth, which is a very healthy thing. I think that's a very healthy thing. And also, cause that means the power

is evenly distributed in a relationship. Right? Yep. All right, Mario, you're amazing. I'm just looking at my papers. I think we've done it. And there's even power in like Jerry and I working together. Yes. When I did my one man charm bra,

he wrote all my music, he writes my music for me. But that's amazing that you can do that. We work together on things. Not everyone can do that. You know, we've done shows together. Yes. When I did my one man Sean Robert, he wrote all my music. He writes my music for me. He, but that's amazing. We work together. Not everyone can do that. You know, we've done shows together. We, we advise each other. It's a, it is a real balance of power. Beautiful. You know, beautiful. And we love each other. We scare each other a little bit, you know, because we're both strict sometimes with things. And you know, we're both control freaks, I think. Not in a horrible way, not in a way where it rips apart our relationship. It just doesn't. I just want to know he's safe and okay.

Of course. That's healthy. For sure. Because we're getting older and I think about life and I just do. We all do. Yeah. We all do. You know? Yeah, I think about life and yeah, I just do. We all do. Yeah. We all do.

You know? Yeah, I do. And that's what I love about it just like that is everybody's older. And we are older. Everyone has changed in some way. Yeah. You know, the audience loves some of it and hates some of it and just, but it's like too bad. This is life.

You accept these changes and you, you know, Anthony has changed. You know, when I first said to Michael, you know, when I had the hot fellas, I was like, so I'm gonna be messing around with this. She said, no, he said, no, no, no, no, cause you don't where you eat. This is, this is, she said, he said, you've evolved.

You're the one that, you're the one that's not, that doesn't do that anymore. Which is why when you find out in the second season that I only hired straight men. Oh, right, I forgot. I could not do that. And then I find out that Giuseppe is gay and I'm like, you're fired.

Oh my God, I forgot, yes. You're fired and then he quits and we get together. So I love that about Anthony. Me too. That he's evolved that way. Well, if we haven't evolved at all, how boring. How boring. That's not real. You know, that's not real at all.

That's not real. I know. And I know there's- And you have done- I don't care. Can I just- No, I- Don't say anything.

Just shut up for a second. Okay, I'll try. And just hear it. And I said this to you, but the amount of people that think you are so magnificent in this iteration of the show and how fucking hilarious you are.

You are really divinely funny. Thank you, baby. Divinely funny. Thank you. You're drunk and stuff, that whole monologue to Harry during the hangover. Thank you, babe. I mean, you work on this.

Thank you. I'm just lucky to have Michael Patrick writing for me. I am too. I'm lucky to have you as my partner on the show. I'm lucky to have you, baby. You're my first and original partner on the show. You're my first and original. And we're still very close friends even though the kids take you away from me sometimes,

and I've said that, Charlotte's up to her ass in kid shit. I know. I'm sorry. I'm very sorry. It's okay. Thank you for being with us, babe. I love you very much. I love you very much.

This was great. Thanks for finally asking me. Something unexpected happened after Jeremy Scott confessed to killing Michelle Schofield in Bone Valley Season 1. Every time I hear about my dad, it's, oh, he's a killer. He's just straight evil. I was becoming the bridge between Jeremy Scott and the son he'd never known. At the end of the day, I'm literally a son of a killer.

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