Are You A Charlotte? - Sex and the City with the Uptown Girl (S2 E8 "The Man, The Myth, The Viagra")

Episode Date: August 4, 2025

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Hi! Hi! How are you? I'm great! How are you? Good! You know, pretty good. I mean, hanging in there, rolling with it, you know. Looking back, it's super interesting and this is partly what I was thinking about with

your book as well because obviously, I mean, we're here to talk about the show. We will talk about the show, we will talk about the show, but I love that people that I grew up with watching, like yourself, and also have gotten to meet over the years and admired are now writing about their lives in such an interesting way of like all the changes that have happened culturally and how you've kind of been right there for a lot of it. And I think it's such a gift and how was the experience of looking

back? You know it was it was a really interesting experience. I have kept journals for the past like 50 years. Smart. And sometimes it's just drawings on the pages, sometimes it's things that I glue in there, souvenirs, ticket stubs and leaves and whatever. But then it really guided me for the book because I came across the journals and I started reading going, wow, I really have had a lot of adventures. And whenever I tell

my adventures stories, people always say, you got to write a book. So I started writing the book and I quickly discovered that some chapters I really didn't want to write about. But, you know, I really didn't want to write about. Yeah, yeah. But, you know, those are the chapters I think that that the, my publishers were most interested in. Of course. You know, I love the, the, the, the daring do adventures and all of that. And yeah, but they're like, no, no, no, people will relate because people go

through divorces and people go through all of that. And, and it has to be relatable. And if you're going to give the fun adventures and some of the stuff that modeling has afforded me, you also have to say it's not always only the good stuff. Absolutely. Life is a series of moments, and if you're going to write a book,

you kind of have to give the good and the bad, the beautiful, the ugly, the whole thing, warts and all. So. I mean, this is life. This is life, and it is life, whether you might be one of the most beautiful women in the world or not. You know what I'm saying?

I think that's also just such a really fascinating and powerful thing. But I also feel what I take from it is that, you know, you have been through so much and yet you still do have this kind of beautiful, hopeful, you know, love of adventure and openness. And that's what I admire so much. Oh, thank you.

And I feel like that's a gift that you're giving. That's something that I admire in your character, Charlotte. It's very related. It really is. I don't even really have to ask you if you're a Charlotte because I kind of think I know. I mean, I, you know, my daughters, my daughters and I have this on 24 seven. I mean, it's like, it's like comfort food, you know?

Yeah, I do. The world's so crazy. Yeah. We could put on an episode of Sex in the City and the music wakes up and then it's like being with old friends. Yeah. And it really is something that we really enjoy together. and then it's like being with old friends. It really is something that we really enjoy together.

And we're always saying, I don't know, I think I'm this, I'm that, you know, just- Does it change? Yeah. Interesting. You know, I think I've been a little bit of everybody. Wow, okay. Well, we'll get to maybe more of that later

as we go through the episode. That's an interesting answer, Christy. I would not have, one I would have anticipated you saying. Very interesting. Okay, I like it, I like it. I feel like too, it's one of those things for me where I didn't really ever rewatch

until I started the podcast. Because I just felt like I don't want to live in the past. You know, it was such a mixed thing. But on the other hand, and I hadn't seen the episodes since we made them, and they would send them on the VHS tape and we'd run home and watch them. And I wouldn't really watch them on HBO at the time either, because, you know, I was living my life and enjoying everyone else saying, but this is back in the day where we talked about it rather than writing about it online,

of course. And I'd just love to hear the reaction the next week or whatever. And now to look back on it, because so many people are now seeing it from Netflix and rewatching it and telling me what you just said. And so many people watching it with their kids too. Yes, which you know, mind boggling. Mind boggling, like we never would have dreamt this in a million hundred years, but I love to hear the different generations and their thoughts and feelings about the characters,

about the bigger plot points, which plot points or stories or themes still resonate. It's super fascinating. But it is such a, it's very kind of therapeutic and interesting also, you know? I mean, sometimes I have unexpected feelings and sometimes I don't remember anything. And there's parts of this particular episode, and I should tell everyone, we are rewatching the episode. It is 2.08, so we are rewatching the episode. It is 208 so we're still in the second season. It is The Man, The Myth, The Viagra. A very

mysterious and loaded title and it is directed by Victoria Hochberg and written by Michael Patrick King and this one would been, we would shoot two at a time. So the last one that we watched was the chicken dance, which Victoria also directed. So we would have been filming them both simultaneously. And sometimes I find that I remember one plot more than the other plot, you know, because you're just so like overwhelmed basically

in the moment. And obviously it was a while ago and we were always up all night and, you know, semi-delirious. Hehehe. So let me ask you two, I'd love to hear, like, when we were doing the show in the beginning, which would have been, you know, 97 is the pilot, 98. Where were you?

Were you watching? What were your thoughts? OK. Well, also, I just have to mention, you know the scene where Mr. Bigg sings? Yes. So I love that. I was surprised.

He's got like a real Frank Sinatra voice. Totally agree. And I just love that scene. But I think that that was across the street from the Ambassador Theater where I played Roxy Hart. I think that that was across the street from the Ambassador Theater where I played Roxy Hart. I think you're right! Oh my god!

Incredible! I think when I first saw that I was like, oh my god, that's the restaurant across the street. I think you're absolutely right. Yes. Yes, yes, yes. That's a good one. That's a good one.

It is one of those things too where I do have so many thoughts and feelings and memories about all the locations, because of course, when we were around and there, and we were always trying to film somewhere that was familiar to us and or the moment, you know, the restaurant of the moment or whatever it was. But I think that in particular was Chris's special place that he obviously loves.

Yes, yes, yes. They really do do the singing and I bet he really is a regular. Yes, yes, yes, yes, which is incredible. Okay, so where were you when you were in New York? I'm trying to think of, what year was that? 97, we did the pilot, 98, we came on the air. Okay, 97, okay, so that was, I think Sailor, let's see, Sailor was born in 98.

Oh my gosh, amazing. Amazing! That's what you were doing. Yeah, so 97, I was actually just fresh out of one divorce and just rushing into another marriage. Got it, got it, got it. Didn't take time to learn the lesson. You're human, babe, it's okay. Rushed into another one and then, you know, a year later, there's Sailor. Right, right.

So that was, yeah. Right, a lot going on, A lot going on in Christie's life back then. I love it. I love it. And when, do you ever remember, did you already have your house at the beach at that point? At that point, I had, I had moved lock, stock from the Hamptons to Colorado. Oh, all my stuff was still in Colorado. So when I came back, my apartment in the city was empty. It was summertime. And so I wanted to look like despite the fact that my life was in shambles, and I had a brand new baby boy, I was like thinking, cause see, Jack was, so Jack was born in 95, Sailor was born in 98.

Got it, okay. This is around this time of like craziness in my life. Yeah, yeah, that's a lot. The chapters that were hard to write. I understand, I understand, totally, totally, totally. I'm just wondering, like, were you, were you aware of us so much then or was it later when you were settled out, out in the Hamptons? Oh, I was aware, I mean, you know, when you guys came on the scene, it was quite a big splash. Everybody knew and everybody was talking about it. But I didn't have time to watch a lot of TV. Right. But so I was very aware and I was aware of all of you and the clothes and the looks and all of that.

Right. But probably really, when I think it was during quarantine that I, yes, no, really, because I really, I really wasn't watching a ton of TV in my life. Yeah, yeah, I understand. But I, during quarantine, I learned about streaming things. And we would just like binge watch. Oh, got it. And it was so great to look forward to another session the next day. Yeah. So you're relatively recent. Interesting.

So you have met all of us, I assume, over the years and like known us without having seen the show. Yes. Wow. Okay, super fascinating. Of course I'd seen the show, but not in the secrets, in the- Got it.

Really into it the way, and especially with two girls on each side and all their opinions and all of that. It was really amazing to watch. I mean, every time I bumped in, I always have to tell every one of you, like I bumped into Cynthia at a screening in the Hamptons, I was like, you cannot believe your show is

on all the time and go through it. And yeah, and recently I also saw Sarah Jessica over the summer. She had an event at her house. Right. Really smart, political kind of event that I wished I had time to get more involved with. But anyway, and again, I had to go. Even though I was at the opening also of, and just like that, that premiere. I remember.

Sipping the cosmos. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I feel like you've been around the whole time, really, you know, because you're kind of a fixture in the Hamptons and New York and, you know, I was always aware of you being around and- Yes, and Kim, I would bump into quite frequently in the Hamptons.

Right, right, she had a house out there, yeah. At Kinniss, I remember we bumped into each other. Oh, that's nice, it's good. So it's funny, it's like you're kind of adjacent to the show in my memory the whole time, you know, in terms of New York and like friendly faces that we would see, you know, supportive people that obviously I was aware of my whole life because I was a huge fan. And I'll just say for any of the young people listening, part of the reason that I was a huge fan,

which I think is important to say is that, so Christy was this huge, huge model. She was on Sports Illustrated in, I can't remember the year, I should look it up. But the thing that I loved the most about you is that you had, in terms other the other presentation of models bodies, you had a womanly strong body, which as a young woman, I really, really respected and appreciated you were incredibly gorgeous, but you were never like that twig looking

now, you know, thing. I tried to have that look a couple of times, but you know, life's too short. Absolutely. And you gave that energy as well, which was so important back then, because nobody else was, you know? You were like the only one for a long time who seemed like a real person who wanted to live life

and have fun and looked incredible, you know? So it was like a powerful person who wanted to live life and have fun and looked incredible. So it was like a powerful, powerful message to my young self, which I really appreciate. That's so nice. Yes. So you had a special place in my mind because of that anyway, you know? And then to see you around,

and it was just always very, very cool, I thought, like very nice. And also you were always so involved in so many interesting things, you know, politically and like community wise. And I really respect that, of course, also. Yeah. What's up, guys?

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Yes. So this particular episode, I didn't have many memories of, but when I watched it, I was really into it. I think it's a great episode. I was surprised also, especially by the big developments. You know, I think that one of the things I find most interesting, and I wonder how your experience of watching with your daughters is in terms of the big Carrie relationship. The first season, I was kind of horrified looking back on it. I hadn't really remembered that he was so aloof and kind of not

giving to her and open. But I also feel like back then we were all so used to that as women. Yeah, I mean, it's funny because sometimes we look at it and we go, you know, he, he seems very patient with her. Yeah. He's, you know, he seems like, I mean, we kind of feel like he had a worse rap than he actually was. Okay. Okay. Yeah.

And you know, and it seemed like Sarah Jessica, I mean, Carrie was constant. She seemed to be the one that was trying to advance the relationship too quickly, you know, get the key, get the leave something, you know, all of that. How can, you know, like try almost a little too controlling of him. Oh, this is interesting. Okay. Okay. I mean, I felt like, I mean, it's great that she speaks her

mind and says what she needs. Yeah. But also, it seemed like when they would be having a fine time that she was making it into a problem. Okay. Thank you, Christy. This is super interesting. My problem is that because I was in it, right, I never thought about these things objectively at all. And now looking back on it,

I have so many different feelings all the time. Like, also because I know her and it's so hard to separate the people from the characters, even when you know them, because they're so vivid on the screen, they're so great, right? So, you know, in the first season, there were more times where I felt like

she is kind of asking for more. And yes, sometimes it does seem like it comes somewhat out of the blue, but I think that's because Carrie is very complex and she has a lot going on, right? So like, and she's holding it in. Like in this particular episode, she's holding in that she doesn't like him looking at these other women.

And they do discuss that this was very common and they show all these other people on the street looking at other women. And obviously we begin the show with all the beautiful women in New York, which is 100% true. So, I mean, and I also feel back then, you just didn't think twice about this. This was just the way life was or whatever.

And I think Samantha also has a line that she kind of has a theme going on where she's like, that's just their biology. That's just who they are. You know, men are like that. Like, she's always saying that, which I find interesting. Because she kind of, I feel like Samantha is like, her frame that she sees the world in is like primitive. You know what I'm saying?

Like primitive and I'm going to be primitive and they're going to be primitive and I'm not going to expect more, right? Which is interesting. But then with Carrie, I feel like she does hold it in. So when it comes out, it's coming out of these kind of weird times where everything kind of does seem good, but she's kept so much in. And I so relate to that.

Which has so many expectations for what it's supposed to be, right? You're so right. Like when in the scene, when they're in the charming restaurant and he refers to her as his girlfriend, like that was like such a, she was adorable in that scene. So adorable. How she managed to balance that. Like the, you know, that she was living that her dream come true at that moment. And yeah, and, um, and she, um, but it's like, that's important. She likes to define things. She likes to have a name on it, you know, a key, uh, I'm the

girlfriend and you're, and you know, have put, put these boxes around, you know? Yes. She's not as much free or like, yes, like, you know, she's ready to just live and let live and time for me, I'll take it. Right, right, right, right, right. Which is great. Yeah. So, um, but you know, one thing that I didn't get a chance to watch the episode recently, but I just remembered when I saw the title. Right. I remembered one thing that bothered me about the episode as a 72 year old woman. Yes. Was the, was how, how that man's ass. I know.

So hard. Like just one glimpse ruined everything for him. I know it's really a lot. You know, everyone's ass is gonna go south. No? No. Maybe we should be so harsh. You know, yes, of course, Christy,

you're absolutely right. I mean, I was also surprised because I do vaguely remember this storyline and I remember there being stress about it where like, I think that that's not that actor's real, actual naked friend because he didn't look old enough, whatever that meant, because it had to be enough

that it would send Samantha running from this, you know, kind of whatever glamorous thing that she thought it was gonna be. And I remember there being stress about it and I think it was based on someone's story, which is something that the writers all, not our stories, the actors, but the writers' stories. So I think that also in the beginning, which in my mind, the second season

is still somewhat of us finding ourselves, our legs, like our element of comedy mixed in with the real, you know? So sometimes there was stress about going far enough that it'd be funny. And when I saw it, I do remember the stress. And then I was like, oh my God, we went too far. Like, oh my God. But also it is something that is not talked about,

which I think is so interesting. Like even still, it's not talked about, right? And we all are going to age. This is true. This is it, right? So like at some level we need to accept it and not you know, not shame it, which I hope we didn't seem like we were doing

but I could see maybe we went too far. I felt like it was a little shaming, you know, because I feel like as a spokesperson for the agent. Oh my God, Kristy, you don't have to take on the whole thing, baby. Oh my gosh. But okay, I love it that you're going to, tell us. I just feel like age is sort of like that last frontier

in America that does need addressing, but we have to be kinder about it because physical things shouldn't. I mean, I know that, you know, you can discuss that things like that amongst girlfriends and that's what the show was doing. But it just felt like a little much. I know what you mean. I thought the same thing when it happened. I was like, whoa, we went far.

Oh my gosh, we went far. I mean, yes, I think it's such a hard thing. And I think about this now because of then just like that, we do deal with aging things and we get so much flack about it. But when we came back to do the show, it was the reason we wanted to do the show. We thought, why shouldn't we still be telling these characters stories? Why aren't these stories interesting? Maybe even if there was like a thing

like, okay, but you know, he is, you know, he, okay, there's that, but he has other qualities that are... Absolutely. Right. I don't know. No, no, it was not, I mean, and that's, I think back to the early days of the show too, I don't think, because we were supposed to be a comedy, right? And so we were always trying to center ourselves in the comedy.

And when you do look at this episode, one of the things that did strike me also was that we're definitely, as a show, feeling more confident about really having the Carrie Bigs storyline have its ups and downs and go to the drama as well, right? Which, at the time, there weren't that many single camera shows that were doing both, you know?

Like, because we were on HBO and we didn't have to think about advertisers and all that, we were able to have that kind of range, right? But I think that when they took the range to go to the dramatic, I think from a writing side, they also thought, oh, we have to equal that out in the comedy, right? And so therefore they pushed that too hard.

And at the time, I'm sure we were not sensitive to aging because we were in our 30s or whatever we were. You know what I'm saying? So I can see how it played out, but I absolutely think that, you know, I think it is, as you said, kind of the last frontier. Like we are dealing with, you know, sexism. We are dealing with racism. We are dealing with all the different things and ageism kind of just gets like, oh no,

don't talk about that. You know what I mean? Like it's interesting. But yeah, on the other hand, there's this hunger to talk about it. Yeah. Do you feel that? And also, you know, maybe, maybe shouldn't have been dating somebody so young. And that's why they talk about it. Because maybe if he was dating somebody his own age, you know, good point. Yeah. Then it wouldn't have, you know, been an issue. Absolutely. Absolutely. Do you still follow Candace Bushnell? Candace, who, you know, originally, she she lives out at the beach too, and I had her on, and she had so many facts and figures about, you know, she's still Carrie, obviously,

like doing her work, right? So she had numbers, she could tell you like, you know, women over 50 are this amount of dating and women over 60 are, and then she wrote this whole article about being on Raya and being you know And dating in the Hamptons. Yes! It was so good but also so terrifying. Yes.

Like it was fascinating because the men you know like there's kind of this really extreme dichotomy between the men who are the same age and the women who are the same age. And the women look fantastic. Yeah. But yet the men who are that age don't want those women. Yeah. I mean, what are we going to do? I know. I know. It's very, I'm not on any kind of dating app like that, but my daughter, Sailor, she's so mischievous. She created, she wanted to see what kind of guys and she put like for like an hour or something, she put me up there with a different name and she said, mom, you're right not to go on it

because the same guys that, you know, said yes to me saying yes to you. Like it was... No! Yeah. Oh, I love this experiment. Yeah. Wow!

Smart sailor. That is a really fascinating, fascinating little experiment. I'm kind of scared and awed by the whole situation that has kind of evolved in the dating world. And I don't understand it, but I would like to understand it better, not for me, just in general. I think like culturally it's really fascinating,

but I have incredibly beautiful friends who are on there and they're over 50 and nobody and these are incredible women who own their own houses and have these incredible careers and travel the world and like to me all the things that I ever wanted to be you know every everything like their kids are grown there you know they have accomplished so much yet the men their age are absolutely not looking for them. Yeah. How can we still be at this place?

I think that what I find that what men like to do is sort of be able to find somebody that's very, oh, that'll be impressed by every little thing that they do. Like, oh, really? Oh, you're taking me to that restaurant? Ooh, you know? I love your invitation. That's great and perfect.

And I do think, I think there are a lot of elements of this that are still true and that would have been true when we originally were making the show, you know? So like, that's one of the things that I also think is interesting about Samantha with that man, that guy is so charming, you know? Like as an actor, he's so like, his energy is so alive and interesting that I can completely see why Samantha in that scene would think like,

oh yes, maybe, because obviously we know her to be going out with younger men largely, right, or her own age or whatever, like whomever, right? But he's got like a very vivacious kind of, you know, energetics and fun and funny and all the things. And then he's giving her all the diamonds at dinner, which is like kind of bizarre do you remember this they're at his like very fancy dining room with the napkin and yes the unrolling of the napkins it's a lot man it's a lot I'm sure you've been like through something like this in your life I have never experienced something like that by the way for those who tuned in late it's not mine. It's a little job. It's like yours. It suits you.

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Like they talk about, oh, he's not gonna last that long. He even says to herself, like, you know, I'm probably not gonna be around 10, 15 years maybe. I don't even, I've never heard Samantha ever say that she wanted to get married, right? But it seems interesting that she's open to it. And then when they do finally, after all the diamonds go to the bedroom,

I believe that the voiceover from Carrie is something to the effect of, you know, when he touched her, it was like a younger man. When he kissed her, it was like a younger man. All of the parts were working like a younger man. So you're really feeling like it's great, right? Yes. And then he walks away, which is so sad.

It's interesting though, because she asked to dim the lights. Oh yeah. She may be suspected that that might be the case. Right. You're so right. Because she was like, let's turn off those lights. You're so right.

Yes. Yes. I like it better. Something to the effect of. It's sexier. I think she says it's sexier. Yes, that's so true. That's so true. But then it's so interesting to me that it is very... it's a very superficial thing really, which is what you're saying. That everything feels great. Like if it

feels great and you enjoy him, isn't that enough? Well, I'll tell you one thing. It made me run to the mirror. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. I'm sure you look amazing. Oh my God. I don't know, how can I see that? You're adorable.

You're adorable. Listen, I think that the standards that women are held to in terms of working out, we're fed this, at least I feel like I'm fed this continual thing about my bone density and keeping my muscle mass. I mean, we have to keep it going. Yeah. I don't think we have the luxury of being like, I'll just let it do whatever it's going

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