Are You A Charlotte? - Should we all be eating fried chicken in bed?? with Michael Urie... (S4 E14 "All The Glitters")

Episode Date: June 17, 2026

Shrinking fan favorite and Ugly Betty star Michael Urie joins Kristin for the sex talk! Michael reveals the most impactful lesson he learned from Sex and the City. Plus, discover the surprising connection between Sex and the City and Ugly Betty, and find out which White Lotus star guest stars in the episode "All That Glitters."See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hi, I'm Kristen Davis, and I want to know, are you a Charlotte? All right, you guys, we're already in it. But let me just formally say, we're very excited today because we have Michael Yuri. I am the biggest fan. Oh, thank you. The biggest, biggest fan.

Ditto, back back you. Love Ugly Betty, but we were also, I feel like working during that phase. Though maybe not, because you had Pat. The movies. the movies. Thank you so much. So I was not 100% like I would see it, you know what I mean?

And think like, oh, how fresh and amazing and interesting and different. And then couldn't be a bigger fan of shrinking. Thank you. I mean, I love it so much from episode one through the last season. And I'm just so happy it's going to continue because I was a little worried. Well, I know. It seemed. And hadn't Bill said Bill Lawrence, the creator, hadn't he said that it would only be three or two

or whatever. Two, three, three. Three, three. That was the idea. It was three. And that's what they told us from the beginning. Oh, no.

I mean, we didn't have like a guarantee for three. Right. Or anything like that. But you knew it would only be, or like it would end theoretically. Yeah, that was their idea was like, would be three. And then the first one will be this. The second will be this. And then sometime during three, we started to get the sense that like maybe there

would be more. But it's kind of a bit. So we're jumping in time. Oh. Two years. Well, that's interesting. It's a little bit of a new story. It's a little bit of a...

Are there new cast members? There are not like major... Not new main cast, but there are some new people. Okay. And things are... It's very different. What do you mean? Well, I don't know what I can...

Okay, don't say how much I can say. I don't want to get you in trouble. But the easy one is my baby is now a toddler. Well, fantastic. That went so cool. I know. That went so quick. I know. Showbiz is tough. That poor little actress got fired. Well, that little tiny little baby doesn't know that they got fired. So it's all right. But that baby was cute. Oh, beautiful. Oh, my God. And do you remember the episode where she's first born?

Yeah. And we passed the baby down to Harrison and it's that beautiful moment. Oh, my God. He has the baby and he goes, he goes, enjoy the ride. I know. I know. And the baby had like a single tear. I know that baby. How? How? How? That baby knew that something magical was happening. When my daughter was one, I did the best man with James Earl Jones on Broadway. And she would come to the theater, especially if we had like double shows in between. And she would play in the dressing room with makeup brushes and whatnot.

And we would always do a vocal warmup together. And he would come. Yes. And he would come, okay? Like insane. You know what I mean? Like my whole thrill was just to be around him and watch him and like, you know, soak up every, every moment. So we'd be doing the, ah, you know, ah, ah, ah, you know, all the things.

And Gemma, exactly. And he would shake. He would do like the physical warmups and stuff. And he was older, you know, it was very impressive. He played the old president, like they're the former president? Yes, so perfect. So perfect and amazing. Do you want to hear one more story before I connect to your story?

10 more stories about this. So one thing that he would do with that, I found super interesting, they built a dressing room for him on the first floor so that he just could very easily come and go. And we would go in there to hang with him after the show because whoever came would want to see him

and it would be like a little social hour. But he was a little bit shy. You know, so he loved to have us around and, you know, kind of like, if he felt really comfortable, he might tell stories and whatnot. But, you know, he would take some getting warmed up or whatever with people.

So we would go in there It was really fun. He would write copious notes, every performance about his own work. What he had tried and what had worked versus what had not worked versus like what he wanted to try tomorrow. Like crazy things. And you just be like, James, like what, what, I mean, he could just walk out there and do nothing and it was amazing.

You know what I mean? But like he would change it up. Like you never knew what was going to happen. So you noticed a difference. Oh my God, yes. Like sometimes, one time in particular, he just decided to just not go for the laughs, which he can do, right?

He's James Gerald Jones. So it was like a different show. And all of us were just like, what, what's happening? I mean, not when he was on, right? Like John Stamos and I just did what we did. We weren't going to, we weren't good, we didn't have a lot else other than the laughs, right? We were going to go for the laughs.

But James just decided one night that he didn't want the laughs. And I said to him like, why? like what happened? And he said, I just really wanted to do something different. I can't even go deep enough. I just thought, I think he felt like maybe it was too much laughing or,

you know, going for the comic. He could probably get a laugh with like just anything. Totally. Like nothing. Nothing. But then one time, this was also interesting then.

I'm going to go back to what you said. He, I had this line. And now I can't remember what it was. But I played, you know, a Southern wife like a, like a mover and a shaker wife, right?

Like I was married to Jonas Demos and I wanted him to be the nominee and blah, blah, blah, blah. And like possibly an evil character. But of course, I didn't play her as such, right? I just played that she loved her husband and she really wanted to succeed and whatever. Don't judge your characters. Right, right, right. So, but you could also see how both of us might have been slightly evil. But we weren't going to play it that way.

And I had one line and it would always get a laugh. And I would, I think it was something. I said jokes about like sex and stuff, which, you know, it was set in the 60s, right? So like it was somewhat, I was like, you know, pushing the boundaries or whatever. And I said something, contraception, contraception. That's what it was. And I, you know, I had my southern accent, so it was kind of sing-songy. And one day, James Earl Jones had said something to the stage manager who would give us a notes as is normal about that line.

and the stage manager said to me, you know, maybe you want to try it without the sing song or whatever. And I was like, well, and then he said, well, it wasn't my suggestion. It was James. I was like, what? Oh, God. He's watching me. He's watching me.

Exactly right. And I mean, I would hang with him backstage for a long time and we would talk about all kinds of things, acting and not acting, whatever. And my daughter and, you know, adoption and all different kind of things. And he said, I said, James, why, why do you? Do you want me to do that? What are you saying? And you said, oh, I just thought that you could try it differently.

And I was like, okay. Well, then no laugh, okay? No laugh. All in your head. All in my head. Entirely up there. You understand. So then I felt really bad.

And I was like, James, I can't do it. I'm really sorry. I've just got to do my thing. Yeah, yeah. Because I'm not like you. I can't, you know, like he literally. would just analyze like every intonation

of his own performance. It was very, very fascinating. So how did he take you? He was like, okay, darling, darling, sure. Go back to your thing. Totally. He was like, okay. So of course, darling. You know, he was very, very sweet.

But he was also just like searching. You know, he was always searching for like what would be better. It was super amazing. So this is what I was going to say about my daughter. So Gemma would come and when we went down to do the vocal warmup, it would be time for her to go, right? Because she was little. She had to go home and go to bed with the nanny.

And he would be there and he would always just be so fascinated with her. She was a very beautiful little baby. And he would want to hold her. And I would give her to him. And she would just be like, what is happening? Like you could just see her eyes because of the voice, right? Sure. Because you can feel the voice, right, in his chest, you know?

And she just looked slightly scared. She did not know he was Darth Vader. Though later, she would be very scared of Darth Vader, right? Of course, right? She did not know that yet. She was one years old. Yes, knows now, knows now. But somehow, something about animation,

she never could relate to the fact that it was actors that she might have met, even if you tell her over and over again. She just doesn't. No, for like she, she's 14 now. So now she gets it. Okay, now she gets it. But I thought animation, they were just people like in costumes. Like it was, yeah.

I didn't understand how that. No, it's so confusing for kids, right? But I mean, it's also so magical for kids because they don't, they don't have any, you know, whatever preconceive notions. So anyway, I think she understood that someone really special was holding her, but she was also just slightly scared of the intensity. Do you know what I mean?

So I have really adorable pictures where he looks just so relaxed, like when you hold a baby and you're just so relaxed, you know? And she just looks like, what is that? Oh. I know. It's really cute, though. What does she think of that now? Does she, I mean, she doesn't remember, but does she like look at that?

She's amazed. I think she's amazed. She must have met so many people. She's met a lot of people. Yeah. don't know that she even really, I've really tried not to, you know, they're like real people to her, right? So like Sarah and Cynthia, she knew them before she knew how we knew each other.

You know what I'm saying? So we didn't talk about the other that much. So then when we went back to work, and one time on the plane, I've told this story before on the podcast, but on the plane one time she saw someone in front of her had the movie on. Oh, my gosh. And she was like six or seven, I feel like. And she was like, Mommy, that looks like you. And I'm like, yeah.

Hey. And then I'm like, oh no. It's a weird way for her to see it. But like it was the movie and nothing crazy was going to happen. You know what I mean? No nudie. No, no, no, I don't think so. I don't think so.

Not that I can think of. No, no. Because the movie, no. The movie is the marriage that doesn't happen. You know, the wedding that doesn't happen. Uh-huh. Yeah, yeah. That movie.

That movie. The first movie. And the second movie, I don't think there's any nude either because we're running around, you know, Morocco slash Abu Dada. Right, right. Maybe Kim is nude. I don't know. I don't think so.

I don't know. Good questions, Michael. But anyway, it was all fine. When you get to watch the movies. Yes, exactly. Exactly. But it was good because then I feel like it's a healthy way to go for the kids. Yeah.

It's not so much about, you know, fame or whatever. It's more about there's people that are in our lives. Mommy's friends. Yeah, exactly. Exactly, which is great. But that's a wild, you must have seen people watching you planes before. I have, I mean, just, I just flew back from Toronto and both Sex and the City and just like that was on the plane. And I was like, oh, no, we're going to have to like hide when I

go to the bathroom. I mean, there's a good problem to have, of course, but like, it was really early and I had gotten off work really late at night. And I was like, oh, Lord. This is when I'm not. And you're trapped. Yeah, it's not great. What do you do? It's happened. One time I was in like I was in this Christmas movie that had just come out. And it was Christmas time. I was traveling at Christmas. It had just come out. And I was sitting in like a lounge at the airport.

Yeah. And my partner was across from me. And he was like, oh my God, right. You have to turn around right now. Turn around right. And somebody was watching it on their laptop right behind me. Oh, my God. It was so wild.

And then I was at a restaurant in Palm Springs a few weeks ago. And it was empty. It was just us and one other table. and they stood talking about shrinking. Wow. Did they see you? No, they had no idea. It was anecdotal. It was like, they were having a very serious conversation.

I could tell there was like a breakup or something. And they were like, remember that part of the shrinking when they went boops, the boop thing? And I was like, oh, my God, they're talking about. Wow, that's neat. And then Ryan was like, do you got to turn around? And I was like, obviously, it's very serious. I'm not going to like turn around and be like, hey. Yeah, totally.

That's so embarrassing. But then also you feel like you have to hide. Sometimes I feel like I need to hide. A little bit. And I'm sure this happens to you. Sometimes people get very excited if they've like just seen you or like they think it's a really big deal that like I was just watching you. Totally. And I get that it's a big deal for them.

But it's hard to like be excited. Sure. Sure. You know, you're like, well, the things that you can watch me are available at all time. Totally. That's not such a surprise to me. That's true, though I also understand from the point of view of like the reality that it feels like these people are in your living room and or your bed, which is where I watch shrinking on my iPad, right? So it's very intimate, you know?

I saw Harrison when Sir Jessica got her Lucille Ball Award. And Harrison was there with Helen Mirren, which was so great, you know. And when I had to go up and speak, I was like, Harrison's looking at me. oh my God, it's just so much pressure. Now, there's a room full of people look at me, right? But you can just see Harrison. He's just directly in front of you. And he's just looking at you.

And it's just pressure, you know? And I know the man, but like it's pressure, okay? You're scared. You know what I mean? You're like, she's looking. I want to do really well because Harrison's looking at me. And Helen, like Helen and Harrison next to each other, literally just staring at me, right?

So I'm like breathing. I'm breathing. And then we were kind of like sandwiched together. People were mingling or whatever. and I had, you know, possibly the night before or two nights before watched an episode of shrinking, I feel like. You know, it does, you feel very connected from that. And he's playing a character with Parkinson's. My father had Parkinson's really, really severely for five years, I guess, before he passed away.

And it's so great the storyline and what he's doing and the writing and, you know, all of it is so great. And, of course, he's just great anyway, right? So good. But it's just so great that he's giving us this. You know what I'm saying? Totally. of course I felt I had to say something and I think I might have said I just was watching you know so I also understand from a fan perspective like it's weird because they're so alive

you you are so alive I was literally just watching you I mean like there you go and I felt that it's weird right I know right it's weird isn't it it's interesting I know I know so you never I guess you never quite get over it but it no I always feel like I want to give you know when people come like strangers come up I want to give them something like I want to give them something right I want them to feel, you know, like. Yes. That part's hard. That's hard.

Yeah, I agree. I don't have. I'm sorry that I. Right. In that moment, you don't know what to give them. But sometimes people are like just crazy. They're like, you know, they're like, I need this from you or I, you know, that's. That's hard.

And I do think it's important to have, you know, some agency about it. You know, like you might be in a hurry. You might be, you know, you're allowed to, you know, have those things. Like, if I'm with the kids, I'm like, please, please do not ask. me to stop for a picture because I have to be with these kids. I can't be like, sorry kids. I got to go over here and do this. I can't, I can't do it. I can't do it. I feel so bad about it though. Yeah. Or I'm buying emodium. You know what I? Yeah, I do. Regular life things. Yeah, it is hard in pharmacies. I've had that as well. I was at a pharmacy in New York and I don't know

what I was thinking because it was on the uproes side, but for whatever reason that was where my doctor called it in. And I'm, I should never go to the upriest side. Do you know what I'm saying? ever like it's just bad you know what I mean so I'm standing there and it's taking a long time and people come in that place that literally I know from like 30 years ago and I'm just dying I wasn't getting anything embarrassing I was just like this is like so personal and weird and like people are talking to me about people

from like 30 years ago and I'm trying to remember who they're talking about and I'm like oh my god and then people are recognizing us because we're talking and I'm just like please God are you You know out of here right but what are you going to do? I mean, you don't want to... It's hard because I think part of what's hard is that you don't want to disappoint people.

Well, exactly. Yeah. You want to be everything they want from you. Yes, and more. They are genuinely happy to see you. But it's hard to know how to be that in the moment in life. One time I was in New York and

you know how my character on shrinking says everything goes my way? Yes. Oh no. I was in New York and I was rushing to, I was, oh, I know what it was. I had to write an email I didn't want to write. And I was on my way somewhere and I had 10 minutes and I was like, do it now or else I should be thinking about it all night.

So I sat on a bench by the side. I was getting on the subway. I sat by the on a bench by the subway. And I was like, do it right now. Write this email. And I'm writing the email. And I'm, I'm almost finished. I'm about to hit send.

I'm starting to be relieved. And I get shit on by a bird that must have been dying. Oh, no. Because it was the most horrific, like on my shirt. Oh, my God. And I was like, what, and I, and what do I do? I didn't send. I hadn't sent.

I'm covered in poop. Oh, no. And I go to like an ice cream truck. And I say, could you please give me, I've just been shit on by a bird. Could you please give me some napkins? And they're like, okay, here. And the napkin, like, you know, like, you know, like, It must have been like a glob.

And as soon as it touched the napkin, it, like, got 10 times work. It was disgusting. And so I had to go home. I was like, I have to go change. I can't possibly go out now. I have to go change. Email's not sent. And I'm walking home feeling just like New York has just literally shit on me.

Yeah. And somebody walks by and goes, hey, everything goes my way. Oh. I was like, well, you know what? Actually, that's... Oh, that's kind of adorable. Life's not so bad, I guess. That's true.

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Slow Hands is not about anything else, really, is it? You know, or taste so good can't be about food. You do the same, Nick, with some of the stuff that you've done. You too, Joe. Drop what you're doing and listen to Hey Jonas on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your podcasts. All right. So my Hyundai Hot take for all the glitters,

I'm going to have to say when Charlotte and Trey end up taking the picture for, I think we call it House and Garden. In my mind, it was town and country. But House and Garden and Charlotte thinks that Trey's not going to make it. And she's really sad. And she tells Mario, You know, it's just going to be me because we're splitting up. And then right at the last moment, Trey comes.

And then he poses for that picture. And I see that picture so often on Instagram, which is partly why I want to say that is my hot take moment. But also, it's just so sweet and so sad. And when I watched it again, I just really liked it. I kind of remembered it, but I hadn't really remembered it. So it was really interesting to me. I had forgotten the sadness.

Obviously, this is something that Charlotte's really wanted to have this, like, kind of attention to her, her home that she's made. And then the fact that he does come, because I think at heart trades really a nice guy and a good guy. And it's really sad that they can't make it work. So I think that's going to be my hot take for all the glitters. Celebrating iconic moments, bold moves, and unforgettable style, just like Hyundai. Let me ask you this about your shrinking part. Did you know Bill before? No.

That's amazing. Did you feel that this part was written for you? Because it seems like it is. That, thank you. That's such a nice compliment. I, no, I didn't meet him until the read-through. What? And I auditioned.

And I felt really good about the material. It's like, this is great material. Yeah, yeah. My audition was everything from the second episode. Oh. And it was so good. So many different kinds of scenes, different levels. Yeah.

And I had read the first episode and I was like, well, I didn't know Harrison was in it yet. But I was like, these characters are very nuanced. And my character doesn't really show up until the second episode. And I was like, if this is what the show is, then this guy is going to be a lot of different things. But no, it's just really good writing and really actable, like really playable stuff. Yeah. For everyone. No, any of them.

And I had serious imposter syndrome. Because I didn't, I hadn't met a single person. What? I made a tape. I sent it off. I put it out of my mind. I got good at that. I've gotten good at that.

Like you make an audition tape and you send it out. Right. And you just like sort of put it out of your mind. And weeks go by and I'm not, I haven't thought about it. And my agents call and they're like, we have, they like, let's get on the phone. We have an update about shrinking. And we hop on the phone. And my agent says, well, we really thought this was going to go to.

a test deal. And I was like, oh, so it's not happening? They're like, no, you got it. What? Stupid agents. They love doing that. Oh my gosh. Ew. Ew. But I had not met. I thought at least they're going to make me do a chemistry read with Jason Siegel. I'm playing his best friend. That's crazy. That's how good you were. Or like meet Bill Lawrence and see if I'm mottled or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe they had called around and checked up on you. You know, there was what I found out later that there was a writer on the staff that I had worked with. Oh, got it. That's good. So it did turn out that. And his name is Brian.

So I think they named the character. Nice. After him. Excellent. And so he must have vouched for me. Uh-huh. But I, you know, like I never, I never acted with any of them. That's crazy.

Or been on a Bill Lawrence show. That's amazing. I know. I love that. And then the first I read through, I met, I met them all. Amazing. And I didn't have any lines in the first episode. Wow.

So that was also like, we did the first, the table, we did the first episode. And I had nothing. I was up there with my little name tag, but I had nothing to say. And we got to the part, in the first episode, the only thing that I do is you see me from across the way. And I'm pumping gas. And Jimmy sees me. And he's like, we got to get out of here. And he's with Luke Tenney's character, Sean.

And he's like, well, you hate that guy? And he's like, no, he's the best. And you don't know what's going on. You don't know what happened. That's funny. You find out. The next episode that I ghosted, he goes to me. Oh, right, right.

Because I was, my energy was not what he wanted to be around after his wife dies. Right. So we get into table read. And also, Bill runs the table read. And he's like, you know everybody up here. So we're not going to do introductions. We're just going to get in there. We're going to read.

Let's go. And we just start reading. And I'm like, okay, well, here I am. And you know, you know, like a table read. You just, like, want to score. Yes. You want to have your moment to, like, score. That's good that you want that.

Different people come to table reads in different ways. I like that vibe. Michael Patrick would appreciate that. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and also I've been in table reads where like people get fired. Right. I've been in table reads where like your joke gets cut.

Right. That's right. So I've like, I've been in a theories where the writers are very upset afterwards because because people are the jokes or whatever. Right. So I was like, I don't want to score and I have nothing to do. Oh. Because I have no lines.

And Bill Lawrence, we get to the part where they see Brian across the street. And we get there and Bill's like, like, oh wait, I gotta stop. I gotta stop. Michael Yuri is in the show too. He's in the show too. He doesn't have any lines in these, but he's here. This is so cool. And in this, you see him across the street, he's pumping gas. And he like, looks over at me. And so I You had dad them? I stood up and. Oh my God. How adorable. I just mind pumping gas. And I got to score. And everyone laughed. And it was like, it was like the most generous thing he could have done. And I got, I got my thing. That's good. That's good. But it was still, I still had

that like crazy imposter syndrome because I didn't shoot you know the first episode took a while took a little while to find find the footing and all I did was pump gas and I was like am I even on this show. Did they make a mistake? I kept thinking I'm going to show up on set and they're going to be like wait a minute you're not Andrew Rannells or whatever. Oh my goodness that's funny. It's working out. It's working out great. You're so perfect. And I think everyone is perfect. I know Ted McGinley from class, like years and years and years ago. His wife Gigi was in class with me. So sweet.

So, so sweet. They're such a great couple. They're the best. I'm so happy. So, so happy for him. And he is just thriving. He's a dream. He's a dream.

He's so great. Everyone is so great. Krista and I used to sit in auditions together. Oh. You know? Like millions of years ago. Wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

She's amazing. She is amazing. And she's also the music supervisor. I know. I love that so much. All Bill shows. She's a music. She or her partner are the music supervisor.

Very interesting. And that's where they all have such, such cool music. Really cool music. Great stuff. It's always really good. It's really good. I love it.

I'm just so happy you guys are not going to end. And I'm happy that you're coming back and I can't wait to see what you come back doing. Thank you. Because I'm a big fan, obviously. Now, let's talk about Ugly Betty for a second. Oh my gosh. I had fully forgotten about Pat being on Ugly Betty. Yes.

And Paolo and Jackie. Palo and Jackie. But what about Molly? And Molly. Oh my God. Yes. We had them all. Everyone.

Amazing. So that was almost directly when the show ended, correct? It was like immediately. I feel like we started immediately. Oh, wow. Like we started, we did the pilot in like March of 06. Oh, got it. So I think we ended in 04. Okay, so it was like right after. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we shot the pilot at, you guys were a silver cup, right?

Yeah, we were. We shot the pilot at Silver Cup. Oh, wow, we just went back there and shot one of our. our seasons there, the place is falling apart. I'm sure. Like they haven't done no work. It's just like... You only shot one there?

One of the seasons? We shot one of the seasons. Yeah, we were at Steiner first and then Silver Cup and then we went to Waldorf. What's it called? Kaufman Astoria. Oh, they moved you around. Yeah. You know, the sound stages at that point post-COVID, like, were so booked.

And the prices would just go up and up and we would always want to store our stuff. And they would be like, $5 million. It was, you know, it was just so much chaos. And we never knew exactly when we were going to come. come back, so that was part of it. Oh. But it was kind of fun to go to different places. It kept it lively, you know?

Yeah, I bet. But yeah, Silver Cup was a magical place in the day. Gosh, right there off the, I mean, just like that neighborhood and the water like that. And yeah, we didn't get, so we showed the pilot there and then they moved the whole show to L.A. Got it. And Pat was like, I'm not going to L.A. Oh, really?

She didn't come? She didn't do the first two seasons. Oh. A great guy named Eduardo Castro designed them. Oh, wait. I've met him. Yeah, he's very good, very good. Okay.

So she did the pilot. She did the pilot and kind of set the tone. Yes, exactly. She sort of created the looks. Right. And the aesthetic, especially for Betty. Yes. Who was like, and literally she took the red glasses off of her face and put them on America

Ferreira. Wow. Yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah. That was literally in the, in the, and there's a great story. In the fitting, she's like, it's not what is it? It's not there yet.

What is it saying? And then she just like. hey try these on and boom wow wow yeah it was really it was it was wow she was wow she was very exciting to be around and and uh i will never forget my first time i was like what because i was a child i was 25 wow i hadn't done anything and i'm going to her like studio where she's smoking did anyone warn you or tell you or you because i do think people think she's more normal than she is She is Like

She is a one of a kind Totally one of a kind Unicorn Yes And wonderful And we'll take a bullet Oh absolutely And she would go to

She would advocate For my character Oh yeah No she has strong opinions About everything She really wanted to direct sex In the city Really

But then once she started Talking about What she would do Everyone would just be like Yeah no It's not gonna happen And then I worked with her again And Darren

And Darren's star I forgot about that. Yeah, and Jackie. Wow. Jackie really did younger and Pat, Pat would come in and out. But Pat would go to Pat. I saw her like take Darren aside and be like, why is he on this more? He should be on this more.

Wow. Oh, that's so sweet. But I went to my first fitting and I'm like, what is the, and there's Molly with her southern accent. So, like, delightful and eccentric and I roly. And Pat, Paul and Jackie weren't. there yet. Okay. Pat was,

uh, so weird, smoking, putting cigarettes out on the table. Her, her, her evil dogs. Yeah,

the dogs. Sultana and Putana. Oh yeah, those dogs. Each one more hideous and evil than the other. I love those dogs, but I know what you're saying. They,

they, they were unique too. Yeah. Yes. Yes. And they would be just hiding under the table and you shouldn't go over there if they're over there. Yeah,

yeah, yeah, don't go over there. Yeah. And then, um, she would like, Put these, I would just stand there and she would put these combinations of clothes and then

she'd put a thing around my neck and then she would come up and have a cigarette dangling and just like be breathing in my face tying it around. And then it would like, she'd step away and there was something. Definitely. Totally amazing. She has a crazy eye. You must have had just like hours of fittings. Hours of fittings and sometimes they'd start at 2 a.m.

I one time got in trouble. like maybe second season, I want to say, because we were working just like horrific, horrific hours. And everyone was like, don't complain, don't complain, you know, just be tough. And we were trying. I was trying, but it was hard, right? And we would see the sunrise like Thursday and Friday into Saturday, right? So the sun would rise on Saturday and we'd have to stop shooting.

We wouldn't be done necessarily, but we'd have to stop. Because the sun was rising, we were doing a night exterior and that was it, right? And then sometimes we'd even be on the stage. tell the sun rose, which made no sense, but that's how messed up we'd gotten during the week, right? And in the beginning, we had all those exterior night, you know, things, whatever. And one time I wrapped it, I want to say two,

and they were like, you know, the ADs are like, now you're going to go to your fitting. I was like, no, come on, guys. And they're like, wait, you have a fitting. You have to go. And I'm like, but it's 2 a.m. We're starting at 2.m., because they would be 5 hours, right?

So I'm like, it's 2 a.m. It's 2. It's two a.m. And I was tired enough that I, like, you know, stuck to my guns or whatever. And I think it didn't happen. And then I was in the doghouse. Yeah. Yeah.

I got spoken to. I got spoken to. Yeah. Really? You need to go to a fitting. I need to go to a fitting and do not ever complain again, basically. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, you know, the whole thing had to be. I mean, they were very much.

I also remember. remember, did you ever meet Rebecca, who was Pat's girlfriend and then wife? No. So Rebecca was around on the show, but then they split up and then she left. But when they weren't getting along, if you went to a fitting, you know, you'd have like, there'd be like 30 bags there or whatever, right? And they'd, you know, they'd get the outfit and the shoes and whatever. And then they'd be like, oh, the bag, you know?

And so you'd stand there and one would say, well, I want this back. And then the other would say, well, I want that bag. And so you'd have to hold one, then you have to hold the other. And they have to hold one. And they have to hold the other. And they would just argue and argue and argue. And I was like, you guys need to go to therapy, like not be arguing over this bag. You know what I'm saying?

Like they were breaking up, right? But it would be about the bag. But it would be about the bag, right? So you'd just be there forever. They'd be like, I like this one. I like that one. I like this one. I like that.

You're like on and on and on and on and on. And you just feel like, oh, God, please let me go home. But on the other hand, it was part of it. You know, it was part of the whole show and the process. And no one, none of us had any illusions that it wasn't like, tremendously important. Yes, you know what I'm saying. Totally.

I mean, that was, that show was, I feel like there wasn't fashion on television before that show. I agree. I agree. And I don't even know if there's fashion on television now sometimes. Sometimes I'm like, what are these people wear? But whatever, that's me. That's me being whatever. I do think there's fashion. I mean, you know, I didn't watch the, um, the JFK Jr. thing because to me, it's like too soon. But, you know, there's fashion, right? Like, Brian Murphy.

understands fashion, I think, right? Yeah. Yeah. But that show, like, it was, the costumes had fashion, but your show introduced the idea of fashion to people. Yeah. Like, I feel like it was the first time I understood. That's a good point.

Like, oh, that's a thing people do for a living. For sure. And also a thing that you can do. I think that's what was nice about it. It was like the way Pat and Molly and Sir Jessica approached it was, make it your own, right? Like, yes, you're going to wear these tremendous things, but you're also going to mix them with things from the street, right?

Like the tutu and the opening is $5. You know what I mean? Right, of course. And then, like, high-low is it part of Pat's whole thing, right? Not so much for Charlotte. Though, when I watched back episodes, I'm like, oh, yeah, that's like from the gap or whatever. You know what I mean?

Like, you can't tell because the shoes that we're wearing with it or whatever, do you know what I mean? Right, right. And the styling, right? but I think that was what made it approachable and acceptable was like take it, make it your own. I feel like that was the important, important part of it. Pride Months, Toronto. Pride is an opportunity for you to create your own space, to celebrate your existence.

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It was the same thing with Slow Hands. Slow Hands is not about anything else, really, is it? You know, or taste so good can't be about food. You do the same, Nick, with some of the stuff that you've done. You too, Joe. Drop what you're doing and listen to Hey Jonas on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your podcast. Did you know from the beginning that the show, like, because I think about the iconic opening credits where, you know, she's in the two, two. And then even like that it ends with that goofy face that she makes at the end.

Like frozen. Yeah, totally. It's sort of like, oh, this isn't just like a perfect person. Right. she's going to be. And like, like, that from the beginning was like, like, I guess my question is, did the show know what it was from the very beginning? I mean, I think in some ways, yes, right?

Because you think about like the bus, you know, the bus goes by her and hits a mud puddle that splashes on her and has her face on there, advertising the column with like graffiti on there. Right, right, right, right, right. So like, from the beginning. Very clearly it's going to be, it's going to be a world you've never. scene. And I was aware when I read the script. I didn't know who Candace was. I had never read the column. I knew the paper, the observer, but I didn't know her. Like she wasn't, she didn't, I didn't focus on that world, you know? Yeah. But you grew up in New York. No, I grew up in South Carolina,

but I went to Rutgers and then I lived in New York and I lived in Hoboken and whatever. And I was an actress waitress. And then I moved to L.A. where I started to do better. And then I got Sex and City moved back and forth, you know, back and forth, like we all do. Which is great, obviously, but I knew it was like an unseen world, right? And the world that I wasn't part of, so I thought it was impossibly glamorous and amazing and, you know, like very impressive. And I fully had imposter syndrome, fully, fully, fully, because I was, you know, not of that world.

And even though Sarah feels like she wasn't of that world, but to me, she was very much an it girl, Sir Jessica herself, right? Yeah. She now says, like, what are you saying? But like, you know, like I remember seeing. Oh, she was a thing. Yes, yes. Big time.

I mean, she thinks of herself as being like a journeyman actor at that point, right? I think of her as being New York City It Girl. But I also remember pilot. I remember a paparazzi taking a picture of her walking across the street. And I was like, what is happening? Like I was just just shooting here on like a sound stage, right? Like I didn't know. I was like, what?

I had no idea what we were about to experience, you know. Wow. Many years later, obviously. but I was like, oh, what, who is that? You know what I'm saying?

And like, she's so calm. You know, I was just like, what, what is going on? But, you know, little did I know what we were about to experience,

right? So I knew, but we really, really, really thought it was going to be a small, kind of a cult following type of a show

in the way that Larry Sanders was on HBO because that had been almost the only show that I knew of that HBO had had. And we were fine with that. We were like,

as long as enough people watch it that we get to keep doing it, then great. You know, we had no, no plan that it was going to be what it came, came to be, which was amazing. Now,

I do think that there, so I think in some ways, Darren had a really clear idea of doing something different, right? And he wanted to, you know, it was Candace's column and he was going to, like the first episodes are very, very specifically pulled from the book, right?

Right. Right. And they're dark. It's dark, you know, in the beginning. The men, oh, awful, awful. And Candace came on the podcast and told me that, you know, guys just used to come up to her at parties and just tell her the stories, these horrible, disgusting stories, but, like, bragging to her about the stories.

You know, she didn't even have to try to get them to tell her. They were just, like, willingly, like, and then I filmed the models, and they didn't know I was filming them. Like, you know, shit like this, right? They're the worst. Yeah. I mean, especially back then, you know, like, like, I feel like it's better now. could be wrong.

Well, yeah, I mean, social media is sort of holding people accountable in a way. Yeah, and I think it tells young women that you can do that. You know, I don't think it ever occurred to us. You know, like in the episode where the guy films, it's Gabriel mocked playing this character. God bless him. And he is like awful, right? And he tells her, like, I'm going to show you my masterpiece. And she has to sit down and smoke a cigarette and watch these videos of him with, as she

says, all the girls from Vogue, all the girls from the ads in Vogue. And they don't know that they're being filmed, right? but it's his masterpiece that he's somehow going to show people at some point because it's his masterpiece. But also she doesn't say like, I need to call the cop. That's what's so interesting. Right? It doesn't even, she's like, ha, ha, ha, ha. You know, and I said to Sarah Jessica, like, wasn't that awful and hard? And she said, well, first of all, there's nothing on the, on the, it's like old TVs, right?

So obviously they didn't have the footage, right? So she was just imagining things. And also, Candace is very cool and not judgmental, right? That was kind of her, like, I'm just going to hang. Like, I'm one of the guys. I'm not going to judge them. whatever. And so Sarah was trying to do that in a way. And then also, but then later, Samantha wants to go out with that guy and Carrie tells her like, no, no, no, you don't because he's

going to try to film you. And Samantha's like, ah, I want to me. And so she goes, right? But I mean, Carrie does say, no, no, no, he's, you know, he's not great or whatever. But Samantha chooses to go. So it's interesting. But I think that, you know, we were so used to that. You know, we were just used to, it's just like, ick. That's the way it is. Yeah. Well, that's the different time thing. Like people say it now. They're like, well, there was a different time about things. But it was. And it really, really was. But yet it still holds up and you can still watch it. And so sometimes there'll be like the cord phones, you know, we're on like the cord phones. And there'll be weird things like that, like anachronistic things. But otherwise, the relationship

stuff is still seems really relatable. Yeah. It's so interesting. What I found, what I've found, because I've been looking at, I've been looking back thinking about us being here together and um and there's a few times when i'm like oh they're not quite woke oh yeah you assume they like i remember them back then they were the wokeest they had gay friends and like you know like all that stuff but like now looking back they're not though sometimes yeah sometimes we'll say something and you're like what yeah yeah yeah yeah like what stood out to you um well in the episode we're going to talk about like some of the gay stuff is a little uh you know like it's just 100%

But it also was a very, very gay episode. I don't want to watch gay porn. I know. But she's like, of course, why would she? Of course. She's never seen it before. I know, but it's so funny that three of them are laughing about it because that was like never seen on television. Totally.

Never, never seen on television, right? There's an episode where she dates a bisexual. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that one does not hold the break. And then she's like, she's just like. She's really upset about it. Yes, she's at that cool party with all those cool people. I know where Alanis Morse said is.

And Alanis Morse is. And Alanis Morse said, and she has to kiss, Elena's more set. And then she's like, I'm not doing this anymore. And I was like, Carrie. I know. And that kid is like a puppy. That little kid she's like a floppy puppy. I know.

I know. She's like, I'm going to walk away from that. I know. It's so funny how often she, like the show ends with her leaving alone in the streets, like in the dark in the streets of New York. And I'm like, what are you doing? You can't just leave and walk away? You mean because she's not safe?

Yes. Oh, yeah. Never entered our minds. Yeah, right. No, we just stomped all around. You know what? No, funny. Like by ourselves, yeah.

Like, like, you put her in a cap. Like somebody walk her, walk into the train. In this episode, Murray Bartlett, just lets her go. I know. No, I know. I know. No, this is how it was because I had a restaurant job, my last restaurant job in New York.

It was in Chelsea, and I had an apartment in Gramercy Park area, not on the park, you know, like on third avenue. And I would walk, exactly. No, I actually bribed someone to get a key. This was cool, which was cool. I paid for a key.

Oh, my God. Yeah, because that little park is so special. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I didn't, I wasn't on, I didn't officially get a key. I would walk home from my restaurant job at like one in the morning. And I would walk right by the limelight, which was still a bar in the good old days. I was sober, so I wouldn't go in. Right, I'd be like, wow, look at that.

And I would just keep walking. I would just walk up all the time. Yeah. We just ran all around. Yeah. You know? I mean, so did I. Right.

But I'm a boy and like. No, I know. But it's different now. It's wild to look and be like, whoa, that's just tiny little carry walking into a dark, down a dark street. Everything was so dark. So dark. Yes, I know. But it really was.

It really was. And we did. Like one time she goes into this like downstairs bar that doesn't look like a bar. It's like a weird room that looks like people should be just doing. drugs or whatever. You know, she just goes down there. It's really funny. She had no fear at all.

I know, but I don't think any of us did. I really don't remember fear in that way. Like, generalized. Do you know what I mean? Like, I think we were just, you know, like, and then if you ever ask anybody from that time about, like, their subway stories, you know, everyone got exposed, you know. Like, that was just normal.

You're like, okay. You know what I mean? It was interesting. It was interesting. So, wait, let's discuss the episode and the gay part of the episode first. Yeah. Because when I watched it, too, I was like, wow, this episode was like gay, gay, gay, gay.

It's a gay show. Yeah. And this is. Yeah. And we've now, we're like doubling down. We're like, let's do it. And I love that. And I had forgotten everything that Marie Barlett did.

And he's so great. He's so cute and wonderful. Oh my God. And he's a little baby face. I was like, I have to think twice, right? I was like, I feel like it's him. Well, when he later, it wasn't even, it wasn't the White Lotus. It was something else.

And I was like, I know I know him. You know those things where you're like, I know I know that guy. Michael Patrick was like, it's Murray. Looking. Looking. Yeah. That was a big.

He was like, it's Murray Barlett. I'm like, wait, what did he do? I was the old guy. Right. But he's so great and he's so beautiful,

young and old, you know? But I don't know how we found him. Like, I'm kind of interested. I want to hear that whole. Yeah. I don't know how Michael Patrick found him,

but he knew him, I think. And, you know, he's great. But he's also kind of an interesting and weird part. You know, like to have, because she's leaving Aiden at home.

Aidan doesn't ever want to go out now. Yeah. And he just wants to lay on the bed in his tidy whiteies. What the heck? He eats fried chicken and she comes home in her cute white dress and he puts his greasy fried chicken fingers

all over. This is all Hannah could think about either. It bothered me so much. I was like, get off of him. You're wearing a pretty dress. I know, I know. Well, this is what I was thinking during that scene.

This is directed by Charles McDougal. Did you ever have Charles McDougal? No. Oh, he's incredible. No. He's just so visually beautiful. And everything was beautiful in this episode. But when we cut back to Corbett laying on her bed with the Kentucky Fried Chicken,

it didn't even enter my mind about the Connecticut Fried Chicken because his hand is in the bucket. I understand. I understand. But this is what got me distracted. Okay, you're going to understand when I tell you. The camera is like below the foot of the bed. And John is laying there with his leg spread in his tidy whitties. And I'm like, what is going on?

and it lasts so long. It lasts so long. And it was so distracting and weird. Wow. And like it. That's not where I was that. You did. Okay.

How come I'm the only one who noticed this? I think we know why. You noticed? Okay, great. I was just like, wait. Who decided to do this? And I also felt like John was really leaning into like, I'm a guy. Like I'm ready, go on the bed.

He's such a dirty man. He's such a guy in this episode. He's hot as hell. He's very hot. He's very beautiful. His face is just so beautiful. But also, like the whole storyline also is just kind of weird. You know how like he doesn't want to go out and his boxes are everywhere.

And I mean, I like that they're fighting because they've moved in together and it's like a new, you know, growth area for them. But then and then she goes out. But then also she's cheating on Stanford with Murray's character. It made me so sad. I know. right? He sees it happening. Twice. I know. I know. And I forgot that part. I was like, oh my God, there's Stanford. Pay more attention to him. And I was like, is she distracted by Murray because of the shoes? Like she wants the shoes. That's interesting. Or she wants to go to Brungleau

8 or I was confused a little bit. It felt like it was like that she was, I mean, it felt like she was kind of using him. And then she gets, she gets upset up with him when he's like, flirting with the dude. You're using him. He's using you. Like you're, like you're, you're using each other. I thought it was interesting. It was. But that was the, another thing that I had forgotten

is these are flawed people. Yes. And sometimes they're jerks. Totally. And that's what's great because now I don't know that all the characters on TV have that freedom. No.

I mean, your character, you're kind of a jerk sometimes. Yeah, well, I'm, my character's a crazy narcissist. Yeah, it's great. But you guys make jokes about it. Yeah. Which is great.

Like, you do it, and then they make jokes about it, and then you're lovable anyway. Right. It's fantastic. But I don't feel like there's, that many characters that we could really point to. I mean,

Jason Segal's character, he kind of has his flaws, but I think it's very understandable because his wife died, you know? Yes, and he has a great reason. His wife died, and he spent a year at Rock Bottom. And now he's like putting himself back to that, like the show's sort of about him, putting himself

back together. Right. And I mean, like if you ask a real mental health professional, then they will tell him, they will tell you that he is a terrible therapist. Right. Because he's... Oh, for sure. That part's super fascinating.

I forgot about that part. Yes. But also, isn't it based on that real therapist guy, right? Who's very trippy, right? Right. That, what's his name? John Hill. Yes, Joan Hill did the documentary about.

Harrison's based on that guy. Right. And... Who also has Parkinson's. Who also has Parkinson's. Right. And that... And that...

His methods where he's... I think his big thing is he, on the first day, he's like, I'm the boss now. or something like that, which is kind of great when you think about, like, how we want our therapists to, you know, like, we want. I don't know, Michael. I find that scary. That the therapist would tell you what to do? Yes. Don't you sometimes, though, think I want my therapist to tell me what to do and my friends to just listen?

Yeah. And it's the opposite. No, that's a good point. Yeah. That's good point. To the extent that, I mean, he's obviously like, he's almost a bully. It seems like, yeah. Yeah, it's a little scary.

It's a little scary. See, I would not respond well to that. I'd be scared. you know, to tell them stuff if they were just going to be like... That's interesting. You know, you know what I mean? I'd be scared.

I'm a good girl, right? So it would like play on that, you know? You're such a Charlotte. I am. Sometimes I really am. But like the Jimmy character is not based on a real, real therapist. It's sort of, they sort of, I think there is a guy that he sort of based on that. But his methods that he kind of discovers organically in the first season.

Yeah. are based on Stutz's. Okay, got it. Because Stuss has some crazy things he does. Yes. Which is interesting. But I'm very fascinated. Oh, I know.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But like my therapist watched the show and I was like, what did you think? And she was like, he is very unorthodox. And she had everything. Well, no joke. Yeah, no jokes. Everything was about him. And I was like, what about me?

That's funny. That's funny. That's funny. That's good. I mean, yeah. I mean, you. The show is honestly open about that. They're like, I mean, right?

Yeah. Yeah. And our show, yeah, I mean, our show is like about our flaws. It's about our flaws. Right. Which is great. Which is great. Yeah.

Which is great. You're right that so many shows, especially comedies, are about. People can't be complicated now. Right. Because everyone's like so quick to judge. Right. think it's partly that. I also think it's like whatever our business is going through,

which is obviously big and weird and whatever, it's weird times. But I think that when, because we were obviously wonderfully without social media, right? Yes. So there were the reviewers who were, you know, really,

really mad at us and, you know, whatever. But they were like old white guys. Mm-hmm. Yeah, they were like, what is this?

This is stupid. This is crazy. You know, we wouldn't want to date these girls. Like, every bad thing you can imagine. You know what I'm saying? But they were like old white guys

that were like in a little corner over here. It did hurt us. Like it hurt our feelings or whatever. But on a certain level, we knew that it didn't really matter. But now, you know, everyone is opinionated immediately. Yeah.

Right. And then immediately voicing their opinions in real time, basically. And I think that like, you know, the group thing, the group hate watch situation takes over.

over and I think affects the choices that are made in our business, you know? Yeah. And I think that's sad. I mean, you can. You can try, but like it's hard to not, especially it with something that's ongoing. Like, you know, when you make a movie. Shows are the worst. Yeah.

Shows even limited series you can kind of do because like whatever, it's going to be over. You know what I'm saying? Right, right. But ongoing shows where people need to invest in it as a fan, but yet it takes this turn where the hate watch takes over and then like the hate watch fans up everybody. Like the negative is so much louder than the positive, you know?

Totally. Totally. And we are afraid. I mean, I don't know how much you look into, you know, I'm on social media, but I don't love it. And it's like I'm always really afraid I'm going to see something bad. Yeah, yeah.

As well, you should be. You've got to protect yourself. Yeah, yeah. I've never seen anything bad about your show. Oh, thank you. I once saw somebody say something kind of negative about me. Oh, no.

About, in, in, in, in the show. And I was like, oh, my God, what if, what if Apple sees this? Oh, what if they decide? They're going to, you know, like, and, and, and I should just, like, not look. Like, like, and, and also that person, like, you know, they're not, nobody's, like, they have no followers or whatever. Like, nobody's, nobody's going to, I was not going to see that. Apple's not going to care. But, like, that wasn't, that wasn't, there was no social media back then.

Yeah. And HBO, especially then, now still, I mean, there's still like the best, that they were, they were such punks. Yeah. It was like punk rock. Yes. And they were doing like. They're not punk rock anymore. No offense, Casey.

They're amazing, but they're not punk rock. Well, they're so big. I think it's changed, right? And it was prestige then, but I think there was a freedom to the prestige, do you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like, where they could just be like, well, this is what we want to do. Yeah. You know, and they didn't give notes.

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It was the same thing with Slow Hands. Slow Hands is not about anything else, really, is it? You know, or taste so good can't be about food. You do the same, Nick, with some of the stuff that you've done. You too, Joe. Drop what you're doing and listen to Hey Jonas on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to your podcasts. So what was on?

Larry Sanders was on. Larry's Sanders was on before us. Six feet on. No, six feet on is after, baby. Everything's after. And soprano's after. Sopranos, same time. We filmed our pilot, like they filmed right after us because they had tried to make a deal.

Because back then they would say, like, we're HBO. We can't pay your quotes because we're just a baby network. You know, it's funny now, right? It's funny now. And the time that that changed, I'll never forget this. You know how Vanity Fair does their power ranking? In their power ranking, I'm reading, you know, I'm into the industry writer. I'm reading everything and I'm reading down from number one.

And I get to like number 10 or something. And it's HBO, Jeff Bucas, you know, who's in charge of Time Warner at that point. And maybe they quoted Chris, I can't remember. And they said something about how they had made a billion dollars that year. And I was like, what? Oh, really? Really? Can't make my quote.

Maybe. We could get to a little raise. Wow. You were like, wait. Because when we started, they were like, oh, we're not a network. We're not a real network. So they had gone to our crew after our show, which we filmed in the show, in the city, of course. And then they said, we want to make a double deal with the crew members where we'll hire you for more weeks or months.

And we'll just send you to New Jersey to do this show about mobsters in New Jersey. So our crew was all struggling with this decision. Like, you know, I don't know. Do I want to go to New Jersey to do a show about the mob? And we were like, what? no that sounds horrible like we didn't know we hadn't read this script exactly we were like why would you go to jersey you know my god and that it was the sopranos so did your crew do both shows some of them tried but then so we would be on and off like we had this one ad mark mcgan who did both

but then we started overlapping because once david chase like they kind of pushed him to do the seasons on time and he felt like he had not done his best writing so he said you're just going to have to wait for us we're going to take our time. Whereas we went to work every February. Like we started every February so that we could come on in June and be on in the summers. And we were doing like 13, 18, 18, like so many shows.

Were you still shooting when the show would be on TV? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We would start in February. We would work until about August or September. And then every year it got longer because we got more money, you know, for our overall budget. And sopranos would just come and go when they chose.

So at a certain point, it started overlapping. So then we couldn't have. We didn't really have that many overlap people. But there weren't that many even really to begin with. You kind of had to choose your vibe. You know what I'm saying as a crew member. What a time. What a time.

I know. It's fun to talk. This is why it's so much fun to have actors on. I haven't had an actor on in a while. It's really, really wonderful. It's always my favorite thing. You know, because we always have always so many, you know, what's it called? Connections or whatever.

Yeah. And to shoot in New York. It's the best. And get to be on that. Like when we move. then they moved ugly Betty back to New York. We were on the streets. We were, you know, like, shot in Dumbo between all the bridges.

And we're shot in time of square. Have you been to Dumbo lately? No. It's unrecognizable. Really? I rented an Airbnb for one month of, like, one of the seasons. And I thought I was picturing Dumbo, like, back when she, like, we went to, wait, does your shoe get stolen in Dumbo?

Something important happens in Dumbo. And it was like warehouses, right? Yeah. And it was going to be cool in warehouses. Oh, my God. Yeah. My Airbnb was on the blue. block that is the photo block of the bridge.

It is insane. Yeah, I have been there. I've seen that chaos where there are just people there all the time. I was on Washington. I was in the block and I had booked it and the lady didn't tell me, well, it was actually great. She gave me a little warning. She said, I'd already paid, right? She goes, you know, you might want to, you know, you might want to go somewhere for the weekend. And I'm like, it might have been the Fourth of July or something when I moved it. with something. And I said, what do you mean? And she goes, well, you know, it gets kind of busy. And I'm like, really? What, what do you mean? Is there like a festival or something? She's like,

well, the block, you know, the block is just, it's a popular block. And there's a lot of Instagram people there. And I'm like, well, I don't understand what you're saying. Like, I was so dense, right? And the window looked over that block of the cobblestone street, right? And the entrance was right there. So that's a great spot. It's a great spot. It's a scary spot to live in the neighborhood's trying to to like organize against it. But what was great no one looks at you because they're focused on taking their pictures.

So interesting. So you can just people watch and sometimes on the weekend I would just look out my window. You'd see naked people you would see people getting their bridal pictures taken. Kinseniera you name it. They're there. You know what I mean? People painted like their body painted red

posing you know in front of the bridge. Exactly all the things. It was really fascinating. And no one. never noticed me. My driver had a bit of a time picking me up. You know what I'm saying? Because you couldn't really drive down the street. But he would just go down the block and I would just walk and no one noticed me. It was great. Well, that's like Carrie's, Carries. Oh, I know. In the West Village. I've stumbled upon it before and I'm like, what's happening right now? I know. Oh, right. I know. I also live near there and I would forget. And I'd be like,

oh, shit, I'm on the wrong block. But no one would notice me there. But if they did notice me, it would have been bad, right? But, but we always joke that that's like the best block for Sarah Jessica to walk down because like they would never even think. Yeah, right, right, totally. And I also lived kind of near the friends building and the funny thing about the friends buildings. They were literally never there. No, right.

I was like, you guys, there's nothing to do with friends there. But because it's in the, like they'd cut to it when they were, you know. Yeah, the establishing shot. Yeah. They're all there taking their pictures. I'm like, this is really funny and weird. So funny. Isn't it?

It's really funny and weird. I was, you know, Barstant, Trall? Yeah, of course. It's like tough to get in. It's like a, you know, like a, like a theater hang out where like, you know, like, you know, not allowed to take pictures. Right. It's, it's great. I swear to God, I was there one time and there was a booth of people who were on a sex in the city tour.

Because I was like, who are these people? And the more I could like over here, I was like, oh, they're on like, did you all shoot there? It was there scenes? I believe we did. Yeah, yeah. I think we shot everywhere. You know what I mean? I think we did.

Or talked about it. Yeah. No, I think we might have filmed there. because we all go there, obviously. You know what I mean? I love it there. It's a great spot. Yeah.

Let me ask you, is this bar that we go to in this episode, all the clitters? Is that real? Yeah. Is that real? I don't know. Me neither. If it is real, I don't think it exists anymore. Yeah.

I think it might have been made up. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. What did you think when you watched that scene? Did you think it was realistic? Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. That looks very real. Really? Okay. Oh, yeah. That seems very authentic. It's so, I mean, it's, it's, intense. It's so crazy. And I guess like it's so it's not shocking anymore, but it must have been

crazy then. I mean for us, you know, we in our lives were exposed, you know, to a lot of stuff, right? Right, right. These are our lives, right? You know what I'm saying? So for us, I think it was just really fun. Yeah. Right? I think it was fun and different. It looked like you were having fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it was fun to be, you know, anytime you're doing those really big scenes, it's a little bit hard, right? Sure. But I think that because for us, like if we go to, we would go to regular straight bars or whatever

and get drunk, our characters get drunk and have to dance, we'd always be so nervous about having to dance. We just had to respond to everybody, you know what I mean? And it was just all around us, you know? So it was really easy and such a good time in the same way that the characters would have a good time of like not having any pressure on them, you know? It felt the same as an actor, you know what I'm saying?

And I'm sure that all those guys were just all over you. No, they were like, Super polite. Super polite. But, like, thrilled to be there. Yes, thrilled to be there. Yeah, I mean, like, just like, yes.

Like, it must have been the best night of their lives. I have no idea. We should try to find somebody who's in that scene and ask them. I'm sure Mario remembers. Oh, we should ask Mario the next time we have Mario on. Write that down here. That's good. We should ask Mario.

I'm sure he remembers what that was like, because I'm sure, like, he was probably the liaison to all of the background. Oh, I'm sure he had a great time. Totally. Also, Chris Payne Gilbert, who plays Gordon, the blonde guy. Yes. I saw him somewhere and we're trying to figure out where I want to get, see if we can catch up with him. He's really great.

That scene where you're dancing with the two of them, there's no lines. Yeah. And you're just like watching them like get closer. Yeah. And then you're like, I'm like trying to dance my way out. I'm like, trying to dance, trying to dance. And then I get to the girls and I'm like, woo. That was really fun.

It was really, really fun. You guys, this is so much fun. that we are going to have to have a part two. So join us later in the week on RU.S. Charlotte. Joy is essential and it's also elusive. But now, there's a new and exciting way to start your journey toward a more joyful existence. Joy 101.

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