Are You A Charlotte? - Sister Wives with Marcia Cross (S3 E13 "Escape From New York")

Episode Date: February 5, 2026

Marcia Cross joins Kristin to continue to take you behind the scenes of the Los Angeles episodes!  Miranda riding the bull at Saddle Ranch ripping open her shirt, Matthew McConaughey causes a ruckus, and the STAMP experiment!Find out why Marcia Cross was jealous of Charlotte!!!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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So she's been flown out by what she describes as a small production company. Of course, this is the olden days when these things did exist. Now, who knows. And then Sarah Michelle Geller plays. She was so good. Was she? I thought she was fantastic. Did you?

Were you scared? Yes. But she just did it so well. She did it. I was like straight up. It's hard to walk onto a show and be really good of running, you know, a show. Yeah. And do like, I just thought she was great.

I nailed it. Boom. I agree. And it was. I was thinking that in some ways, it's almost too insidery that they make her junior executive. Like, she probably should have been an agent. I see what you're saying. Because, like, you know how she's like, you're, exactly.

We know the difference. It doesn't matter to anyone. But how she's, like, calling across the room and everything like that is such a known entity. Oh, my God. It was perfect. Right. It's scary. It's so scary. And Carrie is like, what is happening, you know, which I really love as well.

But also, to me, it's so funny then later. So then she'd be. with Matthew McConaughey, which is a trip and a half. Oh, my God. I forgot he was on. Right? I was like, oh my God, it really is him. Yeah. It really is him. And he ad libbed, as you can tell. Okay, yeah, I didn't know that. I do not think all that was in there. I don't remember what was in there. There had been a glass coffee table that he jumped on and shattered. Oh, my God. Yes. Like it was a full on day. Wow. We had our first blackberries back then, the little ones that went on your, like,

okay, that's just like a, right? Right. I could just for a cartoon to be like right. Oh my gosh. And Sir Jessica would text me like, like Matthew McCona. I was ad-living. And I'd be like, my God. Like, no one I lived. But he's so great.

That is fantastic. And her, she's just honestly reacting to him at that point. Like what on earth? But how many meetings have you been in when people have said some crazy. Can I tell you how happy I was when, because I didn't remember the episode even though I saw. I was so happy she didn't go back. Were you?

Oh my God. I was like, yes. Because I was confused. I was so happy. I didn't remember. any of it. I didn't either, but I, I mean, were you happy because you felt like it would be like selling out?

Yes. Yes. I felt like, I felt like most people come to L.A. and they'll do anything. Yeah. To get anywhere. And because she was, she is who she is on the show. Yeah.

But, you know, that she was like, yeah, no. And I love that. Yeah, it was unexpected. I didn't remember it at all. And I was like, wait, she doesn't go back. I didn't either. That's like, yes. I know.

I was like, wow. Yeah. I was shocked. And I couldn't tell if it, I mean, they are trying in the voiceover to relate it to the fact that they're trying to tell her about Big and Kerry, which, of course, is herself. Right, right, right. Which I also completely get and understand, like, you know, she has a strong enough sense of herself to say, like, you're not going to tell me. Yeah.

And also, the thing that I loved about it that I hadn't remembered at all is that McConaughey is doing the thing that was the normal thing to do, which is making it from the male perspective. Exactly. That's what I mean too. Like, no. Like basically trying to take it from her. Yes. And then like, what the fuck is wrong with Carrie? He goes. And she's like, uh, and let's be real because a lot of time has gone by and that's how everything was.

Everything. So that was another reason why I was like, that didn't, you know. Yes. Yes. I mean, that was the norm. We didn't have a choice. No. We went for whatever three parts there were. Totally.

And you kind of just tried to sit there in the meeting. with the wacky shit they might be saying. Right. That's great. Great. And then when he goes like, do you know when he goes, when McConaughey goes like, you know, let's fuck or whatever? And she's like, uh, uh, you know.

I mean, how many times have we been in that situation? A lot. Right? That would be a whole other podcast. Exactly. But it's interesting. It's interesting to think about because like also it was like when people go, well, why didn't you leave or why did you do this or why didn't do?

Oh, my God. It would always be caged in a way where there were. It was so convoluted. and messed up. And you're not sure. I literally said to people, nothing ever happened to me. And then I've gone,

are you out of your mind? Like, that's how convoluted it is. I agree. Okay. Yeah. So, and then I go like, I'm so, I'm lying and I don't even know that I'm lying. I'm sorry,

I'm just off topic here. But no, right? Yes. You're like, you got taken advantage of in so many ways that you didn't even quite realize it. Right. And also when we say that,

what we mean is it wasn't the worst case scenario that we now know, right? No, no. So that's us. That's us going, oh, nothing happened. It was normal. Right, because it was so normal. It was so normal.

It was every day all day. I mean, this play I'm doing, they brought in, you know, a intimacy coordinator. And I was like, I wasn't there. So I said, what was it like? Because I'm so fascinated. It's a trip. And I know nothing really huge happens in the play, but it was like, I guess the boundaries were really clear. And I said, you know what?

The first time I did something, Chris Christopherson, it was with Chris Christopherson. He was a total gentleman, right? Right. I said, and then he hit on me afterwards. Right. And that was perfectly fine. Right. But he took care of me during the scene.

Which is great. So I'm like, that's how it was done back then. Absolutely. Absolutely. But it's fascinating now. It's super interesting, right? I've had bad and good though. Okay.

Yeah. You've had the coordinators, you mean. Yes. Where it wasn't good. Okay. Where it wasn't good. Like I had this one woman right before COVID, right when it was kind of brand new. And it was on a very weird movie that I'm really not going to say the word of

because I really hope no one ever watches it again. But I had a great actor who I also, I'm not going to say his name so that you don't know. But he was going to protect me anyway. I didn't even need any. You know what I'm saying? Yes, you know. You're used to, right?

He was a professional. I felt totally comfortable with him. And this lady, the intimacy coordinator, had been a dancer. Okay. So she came to both this actor and I, who was a veteran actor and said, like, I'm going to count you down. Kiss, two, three. What?

Oh, no. And we were like, cool. No. No. No. No. No. And then one time she was, so then I started avoiding her, right? I was like, that lady is going to like, you know what I mean? I was like, I'm just going to avoid that lady. So six, seven, eight. I mean, like you're not already confused enough. You know what I'm saying? You don't need that, right? So I was like, yeah, we were just like, we're cool. We're cool. We're good. But then there was this other scene involving this other actress. And it's a long story, but. I avoided her so much that she would plan herself by my chair. And she'd be like, we need to talk about the fingering scene. I'd be like, I'd be like, please don't ever say it. I mean, it's just putting somebody in the middle of the most kind of delicate things that we have to do.

And you hope that they're there to protect you, but they can also kind of scare the shit out of you. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Or take the, you know, something out of it. Yes, like the kind of whatever specialness that you could try to bring is now a person. Gone, right? Yeah. So I was like, oh, God, Jesus.

But then when we did have it in inches like that, it was good because just personally, they'd say, like, what do you need me to do? And you could say, I'm worried about this or I'm worried about that or whatever it was. So they were eyes at the monitor. They could then help you. Okay, that's good. Yeah. That was really nice. Yeah.

And then they just had to like just appease Michael that they were going to do whatever. he wanted, you know what I'm saying, that they were not there to get in the way. Yeah, you know, because I think for the directors, it's like a whole other person to deal with. I don't want that. But I think it's great because it's just that little security in case you get in a situation that you don't know. Oh, you have to have it. I mean, now. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I think some people are confused and think that it's because we were somehow hit on in the moment of the sex scene by directors or something, which I don't think. No. Right? happens. No. Me neither, right? No one is like trying to grab your filia up.

At least not for the most part. No. It was not my issue. Yeah. No, me neither. There's always in some other weird way. Exactly. It's a more convoluted way and it's not on the set.

No. So if the intimacy coordinator is only on the set, it's not protecting you from that other stuff. Yeah. Right? Yeah, that's interesting. Isn't it? Nobody ever explains that to the rest of the world.

No. No one knows and no one explains it to you when you're starting out. Yeah. No, my. Ah, so you can. kidding? It wasn't even in the zeitgeist back then. No, no. It's super interesting, isn't it? It's changed. It hasn't it changed? I know. All right, let's talk about the show. It's so much fun, though. Okay, so this is a fun episode. We begin the episode with myself and Kyle being back in New York.

I know I was a little jealous. I was a little jealous. I'm like, I don't know if I can watch this. And he was so young, he was such a baby or both such babies. And then with this, you know, penis. And I was like, oh, my God. I mean, right? And isn't he's just so cute laying in that bed? He's so cute. He's so cute. I mean, don't we just love him so much? Do you know, my opening scene with him was like when I was like, here, this is Kyle.

And then we were like making it out in a rainstorm. And I didn't even know him. I was like, okay, let's go. I mean, right. He's just such a good man. Isn't he such a good man? I had to immediately make out with him as well. It's really rough.

It's tough jobs. Really, really hard job. Really, really hard job. I know. Gosh, how did I be doing it? One crazy thing. Sorry. Yes.

We love it. You can cut it if you want to. No, no. Okay. So, you know, I got pregnant, like on desperate. Yes. So I'm working with Kyle. We're like getting married.

I'm totally nauseous in real life. You know what I mean? Some beautiful bridal gown. But I'm like, right? And then we get married on the show. And, you know, and I have my babies, right? And then when I'm on the show, Desiree gets pregnant. And so he had Callum.

She had Callum. They had Callum on the show. And now Callum and my daughters have been at school together. No way. They're now gone off to college, but literally. That's amazing. I'm like, if someone had told me this years ago that I was going to be looking at, you know, Callum and Savvy or Callum, whatever, I'd be like, are you kidding me? Anyway, it's just unbelievable.

I love it so much. It's so sweet. Yeah, no. The thing that I do love about our, you know, what we do is that sometimes you get to have this kind of long relationship with people and you might not see them all the time. but then the kind of interconnectedness of all of it is quite amazing. It's beautiful. It is. It was really nice to have him too.

And now Callum's grown. And when he first came on the show, he was dating Desiree, but he never mentioned her. So I didn't know that he was dating Desiree, right? I never met her for the longest time. I read in the paper that they got engaged. Oh, my God. And I was like, Kyle, you got engaged? And he was like, oh, yeah, I've been living with her.

I'm like, well, I didn't know. But he's just very professional also where I think he wouldn't have been necessarily talking to me about that. You know what I mean? But it is all amazing. Of course, we see her out in the world. And Marge's like, to my daughter, look at this woman. This is a mover and shaker. Most definitely.

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podcasts. Cut to the episode. And I mean, the thing that's so funny, too, and it's of course the character of Charlotte, you know, but like the, I just feel so. bad for them with this impotent situation, right? It's hysterical, though. And he won't talk about it. And then Carrie, she, I call Kat. Well, we're all, you know, we've gone to something and I'm trying to kiss him and all.

And he's focused on the wedding gifts. And I'm just like, I thought it would be on the honeymoon. I thought it would be. I feel terrible. So sweet, though. And then I couldn't figure out. How did she do the stamp? I couldn't figure it out either.

I don't really get that. I lick it. Because it has to be attached to something. Well, I think I wrap it around his penis. Yes, but if his penis only... Oh, you have to do it very tight then to see if it... I must have. Oh, I thought it was a ziva one like that.

No, you just want to see if it... Yeah. During the night. I know. No, hey, why not? This is a show about Sexa City, right? I'm like, well, I hadn't remembered it either. So I was also with you, like, what on earth did Carrie just tell her to do?

This is interesting. And also, Carrie goes into, like, I'm a relationship columnist mode. She goes into like, right? This is what you should do, which I really liked. Like, Charlotte needs practical advice. You know what I'm saying? It was very sweet when you, the thing, when you realize, oh, you can, but it's like, I know.

I'm like, why do we think that's such a great thing? But that's what's so great about your character, though, because it's like the absolute brilliance of the moment and then the, oh, no. Definitely. Definitely. And it's really funny because sometimes, and there's a lot of this that I don't remember at all, right? Like, there are things that are very clear to me.

And then, like, that whole storyline, I have no memory. Yeah, I have plenty of that in my life, so I understand. like episodes I've shot. I don't even remember shooting. Right. So it's fun to watch because you don't know what the heck you're going to do. No idea. It's bizarre because that's your body and that's yourself.

I always wonder if like, you know, like these new drugs they have. Like if you are under, does your mind contain all those memories, right? Somewhere in you? Yeah. I think it must. Right. But you just don't remember. I think that's the weirdest thing.

I do think it's weird. Like shooting whole episode. No memory. I agree totally. I agree totally. We understand. But I think the thing for me that I come back to is that. that I remember Kyle, right, like off camera.

So I think that it's all intertwined. Yeah. And so it's mesh together in a way where you can't separate it out, right? So like what you filmed wouldn't have been the most important thing to me as a person. No, it would be Kyle sort of tap dancing on the side. Totally. Being funny. Totally.

That's what I remember. Being adorable. Yes. Being so light. You know, like all the things. Like being just such a joy, right? Yeah. And that's definitely what I remember.

And he had a little dog at the time. You know how I feel about dogs. Yes, I do. So, you know. Yay, Marsha. Yay, I'm so proud. That's great. You know, I never thought I'd be a dog.

I'm so glad you had a dog. Because I'm definitely allergic. Remember when you got your golden? I was like, I can't come here anymore. I'm going to die. You had to sit on the top of the sofa. I know because there was just like golden retriever hair everywhere. I literally go.

I know. It was so awful. And then I had kids in. And of course, at some point, you know, I won't get into it, but you wind up with a dog. And the dog winds up yours. Yeah. So, and I literally love my, I have a doodle. A doodle.

I wash my hands. They're probably old, a thousand times a day because I'm still allergic. Oh, but doodles are better. I love her. Right. Yeah. I'm glad. They're gifts.

They're gifts. They're gifts. I think of you because I thought never in my life, right? I'm so glad. I have a little dog now. Oh, you too. Yeah, because my son likes little dogs. Oh, what kind of.

Okay. He's a, it's fine. He's won me over. Okay. He is like a chihuahua mixed with all different kinds of terriers. And Minpin, don't ask me. I mean, he's just an amalgam. He's adorable.

His name's Chui. He's very cute. Chewy. We do love him. We do love him. I mean, anyway, yes, you had a big dog at the time. One day, I'm going to have some big dogs again. You know what I'm saying?

One day, one day, one day. But Kyle had a little log. It was adorable. He'd bring it. It was so much fun. So, anyway, back to us. So, yes. We're there.

We're in New York. Charlotte is her innocent self, unable to get her adorable husband to talk about impotence, which I mean, I guess would be hard, but also, like, at a certain point, you're like, really? Like, oh, my God. I can't even imagine the terror. I know. I know played it really well. Do you think?

Well, yeah, because that has to be the most, I don't remember what happens on the show. How does it work itself out? I mean, Kyle told me we go to therapy. Oh, okay. Did we go to therapy yet? We didn't go yet. He told me we're going to go. Okay.

And I was like, that's good. Yeah. But his character does not want to talk about it. and that's what ends up breaking us up. I think. I think. Meaning like he can't. You know,

when people get to their limit and they just can't deal with their issues, that's, and then I would have a baby, and we try to have a baby, but then he doesn't really care, and he gives me the cardboard baby. Oh my God.

Yes, which he still remembers as being really horrible. And I was like, oh, I totally forgot about the cardboard baby. I don't remember the cardboard baby. I have to go watch. It's a thing. It's a thing.

He thinks it's funny or whatever, but I took a, I took it as like a misplaced, like when you're really uncomfortable about a subject, but you don't know how to, yeah, you do dumb things. Totally. And then in the end, I say to him, like, I thought this is what we wanted. I remember this scene. And he says, well, I'd just rather play golf.

Oh, I think I remember that hard enough. And then you're like, well, it doesn't matter how adorable you are. No, it really doesn't. This is not going to work. It's so sad. Really sad. The package is so good. Oh, my God.

I mean, also when he came on the podcast, he was like, I do. have this memory of me playing tennis and the nighttime and the makeup artist covering me in baby and I was like, what? And then they pulled it up and I was like, I have a heart attack. I mean, the beauty. Oh, the beauty.

The beauty. The thing about Kyle, though, and we're going to stop talking about Kyle is, you know, people like grow into who they are, like, nothing about Kyle was good looking, leading man. True. He is like just an inside. He's a completely different guy. I agree. So that just kind of like was there.

But that's not really like who he is, right? I think that's why it's so disarming. It's disarming. Because when they're that good looking and they know it and they're kind of living in that, you don't like it. No. But when they don't seem to know. Yeah.

And it's also not really attached to him. No. He just happens to be living in that body. Totally. Yeah. Yes. No. And he's just like a sweetheart.

No. This is like three hours on Kyle. People want us to talk about Kyle Marcia because they post about us on Instagram or whatever. Like I think it would be. I think it'll be cool. We can always, you know, we'll edit. But you know what I mean. Yeah, we'll have a special episode.

Everybody who's ever been played opposite Kyle. He would die of a Merrittsman if he was here. Probably. Can I tell you just one little other side? I think maybe I shouldn't say. He came on the podcast. It was so exciting. I was waiting until he appeared on the show.

Yes. It would be appropriate. He also has a podcast, right? So we were talking about that. And we talked about all different kind of stuff. And he only remember some things, but it was super interesting. And at the end, we did this TikTok video thing. It was really fun.

Thank you. You were amazing. Oh, thank you so much. I was very scared. I thought for sure he was going to play Nikki and I was going to be Linda Perry. And then they were like, no, thank you so much. I was dying. I was panicked.

Thank you, Marcia. I appreciate that. That was like two takes, but thank you. Oh, my God. Sweating. Oh, poor baby. I know. And it just reminded me of the sweetness of him.

Right? Yeah. So sweet. Yeah, that's really, yeah. Yeah, it was just such a gift to have him on the show. And especially because Charlotte had never had any one of any significance, right? It's just a guy, guy, guy, guy, guy.

And then to have Kyle, who is just a gem. Brilliant casting. And then you got him. I'm so glad. I'm so lucky. Anyway, I'm in and I start this episode. And then I'm like, no, no, I need a break. I call Carrie, which is great.

Carrie gives me the advice to try to put some paper around his penis. Bizarre. Okay, I've never heard this advice. But whatever, Charlotte's game. So Charlotte puts stamps. Yes, really funny and weird. And she licks the stamp. and puts it around while he sleeps through it.

Yes, I do think that like, okay, well, that's our TV convention. Totally a TV convention, but he looks so adorable while he's doing it. He looks like a little kid, do you know what I mean? Just happy sleeping. And then in the morning, the paper's broken, which theoretically would mean that he has no physical problem. Charlotte thinks that's great. And then Charlotte suddenly realizes we hear in the voiceover, maybe that's not great because that means it's emotional. Which makes her get on a plane to go to L.A.

So now I'm going to watch the written next episode then. Okay, because I haven't seen that episode. Oh, the other L.A. one? Yes. This is when we go to the Playboy Mansion. Okay, that's why, okay. It's interesting. It's all very interesting.

I mean, to me, it's like we did a mini movie. You know what I'm saying? And they're both kind of works. Like, to go on a total location for that show. Yes, yes. And we're cross-boarded and all that stuff. Yeah. So I show up in L.A.

And they are all having very interesting things. I had fully forgotten about the porn storyline. Uh-huh. that Samantha meets a guy at a bar. Yeah, that was something. I know. I vaguely remember that we filmed. Oh, my God, it was so funny, actually.

Right? We filmed at that hustler on sunset. Oh, really? And I remember just being, like, semi-mortified to go in there. But now I'm like, what were they so mortified about? You know, because it was. It was, right? It was raunchy.

Like, yeah. Right? Yeah, you're a Southern girl. Come on. I know. I know. Totally, totally, totally. But it is funny to think back, like, I was on a show called Sex and City, but I was still, you know,

didn't want to go in a hustler store. And you're Kristen. Exactly. It's all meshed up. Yeah. And so I thought that storyline was really funny because I like the storylines where Samantha is like the guy in the relationship. That slayed me. I thought that was hysterical.

Wasn't it funny? Oh, my God. And he's like, can I tell you more about myself? And she's like, uh-huh. So good. And then he says, I write poetry. I know. And she's like, oh, God.

And then he stands up and that guy is really good. I can't remember. He's really good. He kind of like moves his hands with his. He did such a great job. And she's just like rolling her eyes, just can barely, can barely get through it. And then, and then he says he wants to move to New York. Oh, my God.

Well, this she, you know, I like that she was straight up with him. Me too. She thought quick, man. She thought quick. She was like, no, no, I have an answer. Yeah. I couldn't share you with other women. I thought the whole storyline was really great.

I do too. I love it when she is like the guy, like fully like the guy. Just wanted. Yep. And yeah. She didn't want to hear nothing about him. Nope. She didn't want to talk about herself.

Nope. Not at all. I'm totally into it. So that was really enjoyable. Then Miranda has an experience that I think probably almost everyone has when they come to L.A. God, was that just on the nose, right? Wasn't it great? Perfect.

So good. So she's talking to a guy at maybe at the standard. I think they're at the standard. Yeah. And he's super cute and he's telling her how smart she is because she's a lawyer and she's witty and she's making like repartee. And then a really beautiful girl walks behind her. and he's like, excuse me. Will you excuse me for a minute?

Exactly. Like he's going to come back. Exactly. He ain't going to come back. And she so knows it because Miranda is so aware of everything. And she says that she feels invisible and that these other women, I love it when they are in the hustler store. And she's like, you're like, look at this woman. Like she's so obviously ready for sex.

And she's wearing like a gold lamay, like short dress with boobs and everything. And so Carrie and Miranda staring at her And then she's like, yes, do I know you? And they're like, no. And then Miranda says something like, I'm just admiring your dress. And she's like, oh, thank you. And she goes like, are you in the sex industry?

I'm whatever. So good. And she goes, no, I'm a lawyer for Disney. And it's so perfect. It's so perfect. Because all of Los Angeles dresses like this. Who wrote that episode? You know who wrote it?

Michael Patrick and Becky Hartman Edwards. So good. And I don't know Becky Hartman Edwards. She's like a mystery writer that I guess I need to track down. Yeah, because it was really good. Really good. And I feel like she fully lived here because it was very accurate. Yeah.

I mean, Michael and I lived here and Darren lived here. We all lived here. So for us, it was really fun to come back. You know what I mean? Yeah. And then it was directed, I should have said this at the beginning, by John David Coles, who had directed a bunch for us. He was super low-key, easy-going straight guy.

So I think he, I remember everyone being really into the whole Playboy Mansion of it all, which is the other L.A. episode. and just being like kind of somewhat grossed out by it myself. Yeah. But then being like so excited. Yes. Because those parties. Yes.

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Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr. had both been assassinated. And Black America was out of breaking point. Writing and protests broke out on an unprecedented scale. In Atlanta, Georgia at Martin's Almond. Ramada, Morehouse College. The students had their own protest. It featured two prominent figures in black history,

Martin Luther King's senior and a young student, Samuel L. Jackson. To be in what we really thought was a revolution. I mean, people would die. In 1968, the murder of Dr. King, which traumatized everyone. The FBI had a role in the murder of a Black Panther leader in Chicago. This story is about protest. It echoes in today's world far more than it should, and it will blow your mind. Listen to the A-building on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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So keep this secret for so many years. He's like a seasoned pro. This is a story about the end of a marriage, but it's also the story of one woman who was done living in the dark. You're a dangerous person who prays on vulnerable, of trusting people. Your creditor might go up and good.

Listen to Betrayal Season 5 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, host of the on-purpose podcast. On a recent episode, I sat down with Nick Jonas, singer, songwriter, actor, and global superstar. The thing I would say to my younger self is congratulations.

You get to marry Priyanka Chopra Jonas. And also, you know, your daughter's incredible. That's beautiful, man. Yeah, thank you. That's so beautiful. I can see that got you a little. Yeah, for sure. Our daughter, she came to the world under sort of very intense circumstances,

which I've not really talked about ever. Growing up on Disney in front of million, how did that shape your sense of self? I went blank, I hit a bad note, then I couldn't kind of recover. And I had built up this idea that music and being musician was my whole identity. was my whole identity. I had to sort of relearn who I was if you took this thing away. Who am I?

Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the IHart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, so Carrie, Samantha, and Miranda are driving around in the beautiful Mustang. Yes. Which is a stick shift. And Carrie thinks it's going to be easy,

but it's really not. I cannot even imagine driving in Los Angeles traffic in a stick shift. Oh, my God. You never relaxed, right? You're just, although people must. Some people love that, right? Do they? Well, yes, I remember a guy. Just came back to me. Tell us. He had a little Alpha Romero. It was a great little car. He was a very handsome man. And I was always like, why do you want to be with me? Like, I didn't have that. Like, he was like, you know. Of course he would want to be with you. But I didn't have that. Like, I was just like, you know.

Yeah. And he drove it. And I was just like, he just liked it. Wow. I didn't think about it just that second. And it was in L.A. Yeah. And I was new to L. and it was like, up, up. I mean, it does give you a lot of control, right? Yeah, if you want to. If you want to be doing that. I can't imagine personally wanting to do that. I'll ask him next time. Totally ask him, ask him, ask him.

I mean, Carrie's all stressing, and I remember the whole hillside being like the huge stress, huge, huge, huge stress. Huge, huge stress. So then I want to talk about the McConaughey for another second because I'm seeing good points where McConaughey says, you know, because I'm Mr. Big. Like, it seems like Carrie doesn't even really realize

why she's meeting with him. Like she's just like, oh, you know, she's so cute. And he's like, well, I'm Mr. Big because he's such a cool guy. Right. Right. Which, of course, right. And it is such a insidious Hollywood thing that everything is taken to the man's point of view for the man.

Right. That is a whole podcast. Right. But we had it in here in such a great way. That's why I was like, who wrote this? Because both that, if you think about it and the sex scene, right, with, you know, both flip that on its head. What's the name of this episode?

The name of this episode is Escape from New York. Which is interesting because it's so much deeper than that. I agree. But I mean, this is what I love about our show and why it's worthy of you watching it, right? It's because there's stuff there, layers and layers that you might not. And that's really on to have that. Right?

Yeah. Right. And even for me, I don't remember all of it. I'm like, wow, we were like firing on all cylinders. Oh, believe me. I've had that too. I'm like, oh, thank you, Mark Cherry. I didn't know that you were setting me up to be the below.

mother of a gay son for the rest of my life. And I'm like, thank you. Yes. But I didn't know it at the time. Of course. So I just got goosebumps. I know. Me too.

I got goosebumps too. It gets me part of these things. You're not even like. Yes. Well, we're just so lucky. Yeah. You know, but I also think that like you, you know, that thing about like if it's meant for you, it's for you.

Yeah. I do believe that. I think it's true. Yes. And that's what I wish we could have somehow told ourselves. But I don't know if you can ever really tell your young. Although I tell you, every young woman I see, I'm always like. I just do it anyway.

That's great. If I can make any difference, you know, like I was auditioning girls and I'm like, I'm going to find that girl's name because I want her to know that she can do power and I want her to know she can just mess herself up and she, you know, like. That's great. I feel like as an older woman, it's my, it's not a job. I want to. Right.

You want to be a mentor. And I don't know if she can listen or they can listen. I can't. I'm with you. I'm with you. You know what? I also think because a lot of young women worked on the show, right? Like as our assistants is different things.

and sometimes there'd be some things that you'd be like, I need to tell this person that. Like, I need to tell this person, you don't have to greet everyone who comes to work. It is not your job. This is coming from a Southern girl. It is not your job to greet everybody with a hug, a kiss, and a smile. Like, we don't actually have time for that.

Right. And you don't have to give your energy to that. Right. And if you're a guy, you wouldn't do it. Exactly. Exactly. But sometimes they don't want to hear you, but then I'm like, if you just say it as gentle as you can,

maybe later. Yeah, it'll sink in. Right? Yeah, I think it's, I think it's, I like that job. Me too. Me too. I want to give that. And if I give 100 and they get a nickel, totally.

Great. Yes, I agree totally. I mean, like with the podcast too, like looking back on the show and thinking about what's still true, what's not true, what we might have done like this scene we're talking about where the guys are trying to take it as their point of view. Right. These are like just kernels of, you know, interesting things that I hope land. out, you know, in the world. I think they do. I think they do. I think so, too. Sometimes people write me amazing comments on the Instagram, which is really

great. We love it when you do that, you guys. Okay, so let's go back. So Miranda feels invisible, which we can all relate to, man, we can all relate to. And she's like, look at this girl. She looks ready for sex, which is such an interesting way also to be expressing it, right? That's a whole other podcast, too. The whole thing of like, you know, that it's not about being beautiful. It's about looking ready for sex. Right. What are you actually doing? Totally. I think when she gets, when that guy walks away. Yeah. It's a good thing.

I agree because that guy is interested in what that guy's interested in, right? He's not going to be interested in her. 90% of them are interested in that. But you got to find the one who's not. But the thing I think is interesting too, though, for Miranda, right, at a different point, she's talking to Carrie and she says like, I'm on vacation. I want to get laid. Oh. Like, fair enough. Interesting. Yeah.

Do you know what I mean? Like, own it. I've never. No, me neither. I have never thought that in my life either. But I'm also like, see, that frees people up. Yes. To see that.

Yeah. Right? Yeah. Like, you can feel that way. Wow. Do you know what I mean? Uh-huh. And that's why she's, what am I, she's thinking, what am I doing wrong?

Why can I have this? Yeah. And then I love the scene where they do go to the bull ring place. Yeah. What's called the saddle ranch in or whatever it's called. It is this, I know, the saddle peak or something. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

when they go there and she says something else, like, moaning about it. And Samantha's like, well, then just change it, do something, which is great advice. I know. I love that. Yeah. And then Miranda's like, I'm getting on the bowl. And it's just such a great scene. Good.

And the slow-mo. And then she ripped her shirt open. Was that in the script? It was fantastic. It was in the script because I remember being worried about it because Cynthia's never self-conscious at all to the point where sometimes I'm like, someone needs to be on the set. Because there were no end of music coordinator. right?

And like, someone needs to be on the center and protect her. Yeah. Right. And so I was worried, so I had gone that day. I think I'd finish something or something and I was there.

But the crowd, it was so many people that I couldn't really handle it. And I was like, Cynthia is fine. She's more than fine. She just put on a cute bra and ripped that shirt open.

It was fantastic. And so freeing. And you know, and I love that she's, she got a fellow that night. I mean, or maybe not. And that's what I love about it. She had an experience of herself.

Yes, that's true. Right? Yeah. Like, it's not about the other person necessarily. And I feel like that's also why she was looking at the outfits, right? Like, how come that woman's okay to dress herself like that? But I'm not okay to present myself. It's all very interesting questions, you know?

Yeah. As women, I mean, men too, probably, but as women. Like, you have to think about that. It's much broader range for us. Right? Right. Right. Like, I knew you would wear something like this.

Like this. Yes. Can I tell you? Please. I thought and thought and thought. I'm like, I should get something cute to wear. and every day I thought that. And I went, who are you kidding?

You wear this every day. You're going to wear this now because this is who you are. I think it's fantastic. I wish I had a cute after room more than that. I would have been disappointed. I was like, Marcia's going to wear something preppy. It's going to be like a button down. It might be blue.

So I had a blue sweater. And then I was like, no, no, I'm going to wear pink because she's going to wear blue. I mean, literally now I just do the same thing every day. I love it. It looks great on you. And that's as it should be. That's as it should be okay. Now, let's talk about Carrie because Carrie is wrestling with,

can you run from your problems? And obviously the answer is no. Not really. It all comes back, yeah. No, but it is nice sometimes to change the scenery. Definitely. And I think you could learn things, right, from being in a different environment. Yeah.

And I think it's so interesting how she keeps trying to smoke. And then this cute guy comes to her at the pool, at the standard. Yes. Oh, I don't know that moment that one really got to me. It was nice. But when you're like that, you really, there's nobody that can come in, right? Right, but I love that that she didn't. Because he looked adorable and he wanted to smoke with her.

He was perfect. And yet she's like, no, I need to be by myself. Yeah. It was very powerful. And then at the end, she doesn't go back to Warner Brothers. I love that. I know. I was like, wow.

I was like, wait, I'm really worried that she's hurting her career. And I didn't go through my head. Good for you. So funny. But I do think with all of it, because really they were, they were not honoring her, you know, because she. No. At all. Right, at all.

Like they were basically saying right away, we are going to sideline you. Yeah, we're going to revamp this. It's all about the guy. You're the problem. Right. And why is Carrie so f***ed up? Yeah, exactly. Right.

And also when you have a big star like McConaughey and he's saying that, you have no hope. No power. And she had at least some sense of that, even though she's all like giggly and like, oh my God. You know, which of course you would be, right? Yeah. It's all super fascinating. And I was watching how she reacted. Maybe this is Sarah Jessica, too, but like, you know how is women, you know,

Like you make all those little face, she's making all those faces like to please him in a certain way. Yes. It's not just a woman sitting there. It's like, you have to be like, oh, yeah, that's so. Right. I remember what I was thinking when I was watching it. Yeah. Not just the pitch.

It's that she has to perform too. Definitely she has to perform too. And I think it was many things at that point. I mean, when I watched Sarah Jessica during the season, this is the season where the show really like leaps up, you know, in terms of popularity. and whatnot awards, blah, blah, all this stuff. She seems kind of giddy through some of it, which is so, like, kind of adorable and refreshing and interesting, you know? Like, there was a couple episodes back in New York where we, you know,

the regular show and it's Hot Child in the city and they play like 70s music, like things that I know Sarah loves, right? And she's just so into it and it's with this guy who's not even an actor anymore and we're going to talk to him soon. And, you know, she's like giddy. It's so interesting. And I think she was just feeling the success and like the power of because she'd been so involved in so many ways, you know, in the storylines and how to create. You know, like she really was dug in right away.

Right. In such a, like invested. Well, yeah. I mean, I mean, isn't that like she set the tone, right? Absolutely. You know, there's always somebody who's got up with their fashion and her sensibility. Yes. Yeah.

And thank God it was just... Flood, you know, flies. Yeah, it was such a mesh. It meshed so beautifully. And then it took off. And I don't know. I would have to ask her, too, like what was going on personally or whatever. But I love to watch her work at that phase because also we just finished, you know, and just like that, where we're dealing with very different subject matter.

And it's 30 years later, right? Yes. And when you watch and just like that, she's a woman. Yes. She's a woman who has really lived, right? Yes. But when we look back, you know, we're... So young.

It's like so young. It's so weird, though, because when I looked at you, I was like, oh, yeah, that's Christian. But I don't think of you, like, you look to me just the same. Thank you. But no, I mean, it's just, it's not like a. Well, because we were also over 30. We're just like us. Right, but you remember, totally were us.

Yes. Yes. But remember, like, for us, oh, yeah. We thought it would all be over. That's what they told you. Right? Yeah. Right.

Right. I think I turned 50 on desperate. It was like. Amazing. Yeah. So, you know. Yeah, they scared the hell out of you. Definitely.

Yeah, no, I mean, but that's the other thing. Like, I remember thinking when we got Sex and the City and it was going and we all could be open about our age that we were over 30. Oh, my God. It was like, shocking. Well, I guess that's true. And I think about it because the big deal about Desperate was that we were 40. Exactly. Oh, dear God.

I know, right? 40 is like a baby. A show starring a bunch of 40-year-olds. I know. It was shocking, but it's so funny to think about that now. But then also, if you look at the landscape, what show is. is being greenlit starting a whole bunch of 30 or 40 year olds. Not that many.

It's so sad. Or 50 year olds. You know what I mean? Or 60 year olds. I know. We need more people. Especially because life is so profound at that point. I agree.

But you have to have somebody who can write that and. And someone who will green light it. That's true. I think there's a lot of people who can write it. Well, let's get going. Right? Let's do it. I mean, I don't know.

I don't pay much attention to like what the, sells or what does, you know. Well, right now nothing, because the whole industry is upside down. Yeah. Right? But I did, I just met with Apple and I talked to them about them. They were like, yes. And I said, it's a gap.

It's a gap. About the age and what you're, like, I think also for, because I'm single, right? Yeah. You know, there ain't nothing to see like on television. Of course not. Right? But it's so interesting because, like, I don't know if you watch the show with John Ham on Apple, your friends and neighbors.

No, I haven't seen it. Amanda Pete plays his ex-wife. She's so incredible. Yeah, she's fantastic. And it's so interesting because they have this whole history, but yet she's trying to move on with this other guy and it's complicated. And, you know, you've lived so much life by now that there's so many layers, but you still are open and new things can still happen.

Right. Which I think is what people don't necessarily think about or realize, right? But I'm in it. I'm living it, you know. And so I'm pretty sure things can still happen. Well, it's not just that they can happen, but it's not. Also, like, just the way you move through the world is so interesting, too. Different.

Yes. Yes. Which I actually love. Me too. Personally, I love it. I know, but nobody believes us or they don't want to. Right. I wouldn't go back.

No, that's the part that kills me. Right. That's what we need and that's what we were trying to do with them just like that. But also, they were still the characters. And so we were in that, you know what I'm saying? We couldn't break free of that world, right? So yes. Okay.

Go for it. Go for it is what I'm saying. Thank you, thank you, Russia. Thank you for sure. And I think that it would be that kind of thing where it would be a huge hit, like something like that. And then people would be like, oh my God. And it's like, duh. I mean, you know what I mean?

Maybe, but maybe not. If it's well done. And my feeling also is like at this point, everything is so kind of siloed and like sectioned off, right? Yeah. It doesn't have to be a huge hit anymore. Oh, I don't care about that either. No. You know what I'm saying?

Like just something, a huge hit, I mean, in terms of quality. Yes. Yes. Yes. Personally, I never want to be that famous again. No, I know, I know. It's a relief, right? But like just something, yeah.

Like something where the people who need to find that can find that and have it. And get to live it. Yeah. No, definitely. Okay. One thing you're always great at is you have a good business mind too. Thank you, Marsha. Go for it.

People who know me know that I do pay attention. Yeah, you're really good. I'm always like, huh? Which I think is great as well. Not really. But anyway, we got what we got. I mean, it all worked out. It's all right.

It all worked out. Great. Do what I mean? Pressing, pressing question. Let's discuss. what you've brought up at the beginning. Are you a Charlotte? I'm not a Charlotte. I wish I were Charlotte. Tell us. What are you? What am I? Yeah. Miranda Carey. You know, oh, my gosh. Or in pieces, parts. Yeah, actually, I think, oh, I know.

Eden said to me, I'm part Charlotte and part, I think she said, Jessica. Sorry, Jessica. I can't remember, she's going to get mad at me if I get it wrong. Okay, got it, got it. But who am I? I. I'm definitely not a Charlotte. No, you're kind of a Miranda. I am kind of a Miranda. Right? Totally a Miranda actually. You call it like it is. I don't have any of the others. That's okay.

It's so sad. No, why is that sad? Miranda's great. Miranda, you owe my double. No, for sure, right? Yes. Yes. And also, the thing that I love about Miranda is like on the one hand,

everyone's like, oh, she's cynical, she's this, she's that. But if you actually look at her life, right, like she got married, she had the kid, she had, you know, she's with adorable Steve. Right. Then she has this huge life change, which is like a whole other thing, you know what I mean? We won't even get into it. But, you know, she's... Yeah, right?

Yeah. I mean, she's so, you know, Miranda's like a big heart underneath the facade of being cynical. Yes. Yes. And I don't really think of you as cynical. Again, the root of the thing is never thing. Like the biggest cover. Yes.

Yeah. Yes. So that, that to me is a little bit similar with Miranda. She probably doesn't really worry about what she wears either. No. Definitely no. Except for in this particular episode where she thinks she should be wearing gold lame. But, you know, all of us have those moments, right?

Adorable. Thank you. So nice to see you. So nice to see you. Thank God. Now they can tell how we spend time together. It's not just like, totally, but that's the joy of a podcast, right?

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