Are You A Charlotte? - Speed Dating with Clark Gregg

Episode Date: January 26, 2026

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Hi, I'm Kristen David. And I want to know, are you a Charlotte? Hi, everybody. Welcome to Are You a Charlotte? Today, we have a fantastic actor joining us. It's Clark Gregg. You may know him from a few good men, wow, to so many things. The West Wing.

Obviously, Sex and the City. Agents of Shield. And now he has a new show called The Artist, which is on a new streaming app called The Network. Can't wait to see it. So joining me today to recap, Don't ask, don't tell. Clark, Greg, is here. What I want to say about you,

and this is one of the things I love so much, is like you have worked on everything. Like, you have worked and worked and worked. And I saw that you told a funny story in a different interview, like in the past, about when fans approach you and you're trying to guess what they might be going to talk to you about.

I'm always wrong. Are you really? That's funny. You have such a variety of things that you've done. You know, if you hang around long enough, totally, totally. If you're desperate enough, like, oh, look, everything but dancing with the stars. Well, you know, me too, me too, because there's not enough money in the world for me to do that. No, I watched my ex-wife live through it. Oh my God, right, right. Yeah, see, physically, I just don't think I would survive much less emotionally. But yeah,

I think you'd kill it. Oh, my God, you're sweet. I think you would kill it as well. But, yeah, it's never going to happen only in my fantasies because I would really devastate anyone's preconceived notions of me if I went on that show. But you've done so many things and we were very, very lucky to have you on Sex and the City. It aired on August 27th in the year 2000. Which means I shot it in the spring of 2009 or in the spring probably because we would go to work in February. We would be filming while it was on the air like in the olden days we used to do, right?

in like TV land. So yeah, you probably shot it in the spring. Yeah. I mean, what do you remember? Like, did you know the show? Like, did you, what were your thoughts? I knew the show a little. What was I doing?

I was living in New York at that moment. But I was back and forth between New York and L.A. a lot in those days. And I don't think I had HBO. Right. So I'd seen a couple. And I just knew that it was something that, Guys I knew were like, I'm the bimbo this week. And it was kind of passed around like different guys.

I'm like, oh, what's your kink? What's your thing? Oh, I like that. So I was thrilled to join that club. And I feel like I had met, I knew Liz Chiloh and maybe Cindy Chupac. I knew a couple of the writers. Right. And I had met Sarah a couple of times when she was doing a Robbie Bates play at Playwright's Horizon.

I was in another play. in the smaller theater upstairs. So I knew her a little bit, but only my, all my love dealings were with Miranda. I know. So wait, you had never met Cynthia. I think we'd met one. You know, we were all in our whatever latest 20s or something in New York. And I'd bumped into people here and there.

So I was always like, yeah, yeah, we kind of, yeah. Yeah, yeah. But not, you know. Not in that way. I get it. So I love your role so much. and I had completely forgotten all the details because I haven't seen these shows

since we made them, right? No, I did a sitcom with Julie Lloyd-Dreyfus like six or seven years later than this and I watched them like, I've never seen the show before. I'm like, this is so exciting. What's going to happen next? I'm saying a bunch of stuff. Yeah.

I must know. And that version of me knows. Right, right. And I mean, I didn't remember at all. Like, first of all, I completely forgot about the speed dating like this was a moment in time before the dating apps had come about where you could sign up at a restaurant. Miranda does this,

this is her storyline. And it's like, what do they say, seven minutes or whatever? And the guys, the women are just sitting at the table and there's a little bell. And like the guys just revolved through. I never did this, but I remember people talking about it.

Oh my God, how crazy. I did one last weekend. They're still out there. So that's the people who are like, we're not going to be on the apps. We're just going to do it in person. I love it.

Because it really is so much precursor of like swiping left or whatever they, is that one. 100%. Right? It's really just poor man's raya. Definitely. Poor man's riah. I love it. So, but the funny part is that you are face to face, which is like, you know, much more loaded.

Don't you think? Better. For sure. Then you don't have to have that moment when you sit down at the cafe and go, oh, for Pete's sake. Use a picture from this decade, would you? Have you had that moment, Clark? because I have not done it. Maybe some have had it with me.

I don't know. Wow. Wow. Well, people would know who you are. I don't think they would have that moment. There's, you know, if they, if they get reruns, they've seen a somewhat recent picture of me. So funny. So the thing that I love is that, so Miranda's there.

She's, you know, being her true Miranda self and she's saying that she went to Harvard and she's a lawyer. And the guys just immediately look off. They just immediately are like next, you know. Yeah, they didn't, they didn't make them even a little bit ambivalent. They just were like, I mean, no. I was like, why don't you think that's hot? I don't get this. Well, I mean, look, it is a real thing.

It is a real thing, I think. The stewardess thing, they call them. I mean, I don't know if, I don't know about the. If you say stewardess now, people's heads whip around. Like, what did you just say? It's like a racial slur. Yeah, you got to say flight attendant. Oh, gosh, I guess that's true.

And she does say at one point, doesn't she? Yeah, they talk about that. Yeah. Oh my. We're so on top of it way back in the year 2000. But it is funny that like I think for Miranda too, because then she puts that scarf around her neck when you guys go out or whatever, which is so hysterical. I've forgotten all of this. She has like a scarf and like her hair is poofy and like she's fully committed to playing this part. It's so funny. And she's like a floral bra on, which is also funny. And you also, we have no idea that this is coming. I did not remember this when I'm watching it. I 100. percent believe that you are an ER doctor. Yeah. No, in my character work. Yeah. You committed. No, he was. He was. He was. The whole thing about the athletes, what? That's just because he had done some bad. No, they didn't have Google. I couldn't have even checked. See, this is also. They, they couldn't have done any digging on each other. That is so right. It's a different time. It's so interesting. And this is what I love to look back on, because there's some things that still rings so true. Like, I do think it rings true that men would not. I don't know. know, I guess it depends on the man, right? Definitely, if they would be into a Harvard-educated lawyer. I think there are some who would not be. But then I think there are some who would be, right?

Like, there's some things that are still really, really, really true that we wrote about in 1999 slash 2000. And then there's some things that aren't right. And a lot of the logistics have changed. Like, we could Google people. We would look into people, blah, blah, blah. You couldn't really lie that much. I mean, I presume that you're like me. Yeah. In that you fly a fair amount. Yes. And I certainly, I remember when what I would consider a kind of aggregate flight attendant, what they would be like. And they're different now.

That's true. They're different now. Very true. And I look, there's so many terrible things that have happened in terms of flying and how tense it is and how they've crammed us into like. You see those, sometimes it'll come up like, here's what it was like to fly first class in 1967. Oh, my God. And it's like you're at Heff's house. And everybody's like, you know.

And now it seems like there's some very, and they're a little crabby sometimes. This is true. But also like, how could you not be? Right. No, it's super intense, super intense to be a flight attendant. I agree. I mean, also, I just remember from when I started working, which would have been the first time that I would have ever flown anything other than coach, right? And they would have that little, you know, push cart with the caviar and whatnot.

Like, and that's not that long ago. I don't feel like. Like, how, I mean, I know how. technically like what happened that made it go down. But it is kind of shocking now. And I do feel like the flight attendant's job is like a whole other level, partly because everyone's always filming all the angry people on the flight that they have to deal with. Does your Instagram show you that?

Oh, yeah. Oof. People lose their minds upon a flight. Horrible. Horrible. Oh, my goodness me. But yeah, the idea of Miranda actually being a flight attendant is pretty hysterical because you could see she would like cut someone down real quick. You know what I mean?

but I love her her characterization of it all is adorable. So when you went, so you knew Cindy who actually wrote this episode, right? Cindy just barely a little bit. I think, yeah. Yeah, and Dan Allgrant directed. That's right. And I knew Dan through some people, I just a little bit, yeah. Oh, got it.

Cool. He was chill. I liked him. He was good. He was calm and good. What do you remember about like, what was it like for you to put the limbo as you said? I hadn't done that much. I mean, I hadn't done that.

that much, I still hadn't done that much film stuff. Uh-huh. So I remember being kind of nervous still a little bit, like, oh, we're going to do the same thing on this side now. But I also, I don't know, I thought it was funny scenes like. They are. I just kind of liked that. I thought it was a funny bit.

I do have, of the people who come up to me, there is definitely a twinkly-eyed, twinkly-eyed person, often a woman who's like, you. You're not really an emergency room doctor. And I'm like, it landed for some people. Oh, definitely. So I remember that. I just remember it was kind of fun. It was really fun.

I mean, it's fun because also this episode is kind of serious in a lot of ways because, you know. Well, you're going through a lot. I know so much, so much. And when I look back on it. You've got the most charming man in the world, Kyle. I mean, beyond, right? Beyond. Oh, I love that guy so much.

So do I. But not. Not his character. I know. It's interesting. I was trying to like work through the innuendo to figure out exactly the specifics of what the problem was. The sales would go up, but they wouldn't stay that way.

I know. We say a lot of weird things, but we don't actually show it, which is kind of interesting also because on the show we show so much. But in this particular situation, we cut away. And I, you know, and then we just show us after the fact and we're discussing it. And it's a little bit vague. And I think it's because Kyle told me, because I didn't remember any of this. What I remember is that I knew Charlotte was going to get what she wanted,

and I knew it wasn't going to work out, right? So like everything would look perfect. Everything would seem perfect. But then it wouldn't really be, you know, the relationship. And frankly, she's having to make a very tough choice. There's so many things about this guy. He loves you. He's devoted.

Seems to do very well. But you're going to have, it's a Greek myth, really. I know. But you'll have to give up. you're smoldering sexual fire. That's very kindly. But I know I hadn't remembered. I love it.

You make a very modern choice. Do you think? Yes. Okay. Okay. I was shocked when I looked back on the episode. I didn't really remember it as clearly as we lay it out, you know, that I have to kind of like that scene in the bed.

And it's one of those things, too. I'm very critical of myself, right? So I'm like, oh, did I, did I digested enough? Like, do you really feel like it lands for her? I don't know. Did I do enough? I don't know. I'm not sure.

You know, but obviously I'm looking at it from now. You know, you look at things differently at different times in your lives, obviously. I mean, at the time. I thought it was very clear. Yeah. Okay, okay. Listen, I mean, I don't have to do a ton of thinking about this. Right.

I mean, that's what I think I worry that I didn't take it in enough. No, I don't, but that's what I'm saying. Okay. That's, it read right to me because I don't know, what I think works about the episode. You know, when I've talked about this episode at various colleges, is that we can kind of feel the pull. Yeah. To go along.

I can get this part of him going. I can rev up his engines. But, you know, now I watch it from a modern lens and I'm like, you're right. This wasn't going to change. And you're standing up for a woman's right to have her own sexual life and freedom. Right, right. But I mean, it is also. I'm being an ally. Can you feel it?

I'm being an ally. I did. I did feel that. I did feel that. I mean, I think it's interesting too because, like, I mean, I guess it's also because Charlotte has pursued this thing relentlessly, right? But like before he comes, I've got this book, Marriage Incorporated. And I'm like, I'm going to get married this year. Like in so many kind of backwards ways, right?

Like Charlotte, God love her. She's so focused on that goal. And that's why it was so great that the writers set it up the way they did. But I think one thing that happened was that we didn't necessarily know we were going to get Kyle. Right? Like the idea was, you know, you're going to get a great guy and then it's not going to work out. But then Kyle shows up. I mean, he's not a great guy.

He's like a guy. He's a dream. He's a dream. I know. I know. And I think all of us felt that way across the board because he was only supposed to be there for five episodes, I want to say, and he was supposed to be boring.

He was supposed to not be able to perform sexually and to be boring, neither of which was particularly believable, right? Do you know what I'm saying? So, and I mean, I know he committed and everything and whatnot, but like he's still Kyle in the end, you know? He's like so charismatic and fascinating. And he's Scottish.

And he's Scottish. Someone whose family named Greg comes from McGregor. I don't believe in any of this, a guy with a kill who's not going to deliver. Okay, let me ask you this about the Scottish guy. I can't remember this actor's name. It was funny. He was unintelligible.

Yes. Do you think that was a little much or do you think that that was realistic? I thought it was kind of funny. It was kind of a bold choice because I couldn't quite understand most of what he was saying. Me neither. His name is Richie Koster. And I don't know his deal. I should investigate his deal because some of it.

He could be your next day. He could be next week. He could. We could check in with Richie Koster wherever he might be and ask him like, are you really Scottish. Did you, did you put it on a little, a little, little too much? Or is that real? This is a really good bit. You could have him on and he'd be like, no, I totally put it on. And everything else he said would be unintelligible Scottish. That'd be good. That'd be good. That'd be so good. Hey there. This is Dr. Jesse Mills, director of the men's clinic at UCLA Health and host of the

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You're a dangerous person who prays on vulnerable and trusting people. Your creditor, Michael up and good. Listen to Betrayal Season 5, starting on January 29th, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I had remembered vaguely and Kyle had brought him up because Kyle said he couldn't understand him either. So maybe he just committed fully to the Scottish, I don't know. But he was a... interesting. I liked it. I liked, there's so many things about this episode that I like. I really wished that your character had gotten to come to my wedding. Me too. Right. That would have been a great place, frankly, for someone to cut their finger and him to scream like a

girl. I know. See, I didn't remember any of that. So I was like, wait, why is he not helping her? Why is he not helping her when she cuts her finger? And, you know, and it is so her, like, that she would cut it's really bleeding. You know, it was really, it made me laugh. Because I didn't. I didn't remember any of it. I know. It felt really bad to me in the day. Like, why can't she admit that she's lying too? And they're like, sorry, it's not going to happen. No, I agree. I wanted her to admit also because then I thought you guys could a state. Yes.

That's right. But also, I love that she's stuck with it. So she's like, I was like, she's like, I hope I don't see you on any of my flights. I know. And I was like, well, I wouldn't be in first class if I did. And she was like, no, you wouldn't. And I'm like, hey, this is classist now. I know it was sad.

It was very cutting. It was very cutting. But also I was just, I was just sad that you had to go. I mean, I know that that's how we were rolling at that point. Like guys would come through. The guys came blazing through.

And I was telling somebody this morning, I said, I remember the somebody, maybe People magazine or somebody. Somebody sent me once. And it was like, of all the little man toys that came through that show, who was the hottest. And it was a ranking like,

one through 50. And I was a sudden I was on a text chain with like John Slattery and Neil Pepe. And they were like, ha ha, ha, I'm three above you. Oh my God. I love that so, so, so much. I love that so, so, so much. Our guys, I literally feel like we had the most incredible supporting cast for all the years that we went.

It's right up there with Law & Order and that it's a right of passage for a New York actor of a certain moment. That's exactly right. though we have not done as many episodes as they have. So I guess it was a little harder to get, right? But on the other hand, I remember one time, I guess it was the last season. We were nominated for a SAG Award,

which of course is wonderful because it's the whole ensemble. And we were presenting, I think. I guess we were presenting. I don't even know if we were nominated. And, oh, no, I think we won't. I don't know. The point is we were presenting. And I feel, first,

some reason, like we went off script, which you're not really supposed to do at the award shows, you know, but I think we did because you're at the SAG Awards and you're just looking at a sea of actors and like Bobby Cannavali was there. Slattery was there. So many of our co-stars, of our guest stars were there, right? And I just felt like we should mention them, you know, because it was really like the wind in our sales that we had you guys. Is that what you did? Yeah, I did. I went off. I went off book and I mentioned them and then Kim like went right on book and everybody was just kind of left but I just felt like that's why we're there right like like that's what makes our industry work we were the men toys beneath your wings I know and we needed that we really needed that you know

and I think women are so used to playing those parts and men aren't and I know it takes like a lot to just be like I'm going to go in there and I'm going to I'm going to do this part and then I'm going to go and, you know, serve the purpose. Like, it's a, it's a, it's a lovely thing, I think. Yeah. Yeah. And I think you were so good and I was sad you didn't get to stay. That's my main thing I want to say. It all worked out okay. It's true. Now, let me ask you as a guy when, were you, so if you didn't have HBO and you were on the show, how did you end up seeing your own episode? I think by the time it came out, I had acquired a better cable package. Cool.

Something else had happened. I think a writing job. So suddenly I had my first like, oh, good. I can watch this thing and still have the same feeling of she should come clean. Totally. I thought she should have too. I thought she should have too. And then when you were like walking around in life, what was it?

Were people immediately talking to you about it? Was it embarrassing? Was it okay? No. I mean, you know, it was a hot show to be to be on and to be, you know, what was interesting was I realized, oh, my God, everybody's watching this. And certainly every woman in the country is watching this. Yeah.

I mean, I went to a movie, I think, in Santa Monica. And I, like, saw people whispering. And I'm like, she was lying too. Okay, so this is something you've been holding on to since the year 2000. Listen, I thought the same thing. I was really, I did want her to come clean because then I thought you could have bonded over the fact that you felt. I know, it's not fair for sure.

But also, like, what a beautiful human thing that you would both feel like you had to lie. You know? I thought it was so cute. You're never enough. No, I know. It's not sad that everyone feels that way. So when you look back at this,

because this is a whole episode with the exception of you, it's not very funny. It's, like, pretty dramatic, which I hadn't really remembered. I mean, there's that nasty fight between you and Samantha? I know. That scared me watching that.

I was like, wow, I don't remember this. It was tense. But also what's cool about it in terms, it's really an episode that's all about telling the truth. I know. It's so brilliant. There's a unity to it that's not in all of them, not in all of any shows that I was like,

wow, they're really exploring different themes about this. Yeah. I think that the third season is when our writers really clicked in and were able to unify the, theme that beautifully and the thing in this particular one because sometimes the theme will be a little bit more esoteric or whatever you know like um i can't think of one off the top of my head but it won't be so deep yeah shoes or funky spunk or you know something such like that but in this

one it is a deep a deep theme that is you know coursing throughout and you guys are a funny version of it And then both Carrie and Aiden's storyline and Charlotte and Kyle's storyline, it's a much more deep, serious storyline about big, big choices and, you know, really revealing yourself to the person that you love. And can you do that? And should you do that, I guess, in the, in the Carrie situation. Because I wish you hadn't told me. I know. What do you think of that? Do you think she should have told it?

Yeah, if they're going to get serious, I think. but also I think it's this girl um tell me this I mean like why's she doing that she's like is a big conversation to be had of right why you sabotaging another thing but I but if you tell the guy I mean how's he going to go how can I trust you of course I mean it is interesting because I think I think when I watched it I am struck by how incredibly good John Corbett and and Sargeiska are together like they're so amazingly connected, which is amazing because she is also equally, you know, connected and has incredible chemistry with Chris Noth. So like it and they are opposites, you know, in so many ways the characters and also the people kind of like the vibe or whatever is so different. And she's so skillful in terms of the, you know, the depth and the reality that she brings to those relationships. Obviously, she's amazing. But it when he, I think that she felt that they're, connection was so intense that she could tell him that she did this and that they would have a fight or whatever it was and then it would be okay, you know, but it's not. It's sad. Yeah. It's sad. He looks so

crushed, Aiden. I feel really bad for him. But then obviously, you know, we know what happens and whatever. But I also many things happen that I don't even remember between now and then. But You know what I mean? But I thought like And I think when they There's a voiceover where they say that my character that I'm 34 because I can never remember how old we're actually supposed to be in reality

because I can't separate real life from the fictional life. It seems when I look back on it and I don't know if this has to do with the innocence of the time compared to now, I feel like we seem younger. do you know what I mean how so

like the kind of does it seem to you because you were back and forth LA New York living the similar lives in a way not to the characters necessarily but to like in New York whatever like a New York life right

do you feel like it they seem young yeah does it resonate with you like where you were in your life I mean the dilemmas certainly. I mean, you guys were living,

your characters were living this kind of very, to me, very uptown, affluent life that was quite different. That's true. Right. It was a little more bohem. But what about the relationship part?

Like the stakes, I guess what I'm saying is the stakes seems so high. I mean, they're high for Charlotte because Charlotte has this goal of getting married, right? Which is very different than my own goals. But like, the stakes are so high. But also I feel like the innocence is, like I feel like now people are more jaded or I don't know what the word is. I know what you mean.

Yes. There is for it being kind of very sex forward, sex positive, it does feel like there's an innocence compared to now where perhaps be, if we're going to let's go, let's go in. Yeah. Perhaps because of apps. Yeah. And the various permutations of those and but also the culture where there is this form of autonomy that should be there. At the same time, it's made for people like, well, this is what I'm into. This is my transaction. I identify as ethically non-monogamous. And you're like, what?

Right. What is what? Okay. Is that like Polly? Right. What else? And are you, you're by? You're this kind of by. You're that. I mean, it's just there's so much awareness that, that feels healthy in many ways, but at the same time, it feels like some of the innocence, some of the mystery might be getting peeled away. Right, right. That's well put. That's well put. I think also, like, I think a lot of it is COVID, right?

Because we went through this crazy time. So young people, you know, how, what happened with their development of dating? You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't know. The thing about Michael Patrick and Darren that was interesting was, you know, this, the whole show was the show was Darren's idea based on Candace Bushnell's book, right? So Candace Bushnell was Carrie. Just met her the other night. Oh, no way.

You hadn't met her before? I'm sure she was fun. She's really fun. But she obviously had been living this life herself. You know, this was what she was cataloging in her column. Right, right. Right. Right.

But it's actually, it's important to talk about because I think for a long time for us, what would happen, people forget that there was a lot of negative about the show in the beginning, right? Like, who do these women think they are? You know, how dare they? You know, women don't talk like this. Like there's a lot of kind of, you know, sexist, vile things said at us and to us and about us in the beginning especially. You know better than I, but I certainly, I mean, this is only season three, right? Exactly, yeah.

How many were there in the original? Well, six and a half. Because I remember, I mean, a year and a half after this, I am in bed with a baby on my chest with my then wife. And she's making us watch it every week. Yay, Jennifer. She's like, no, no, it's time for this. Shut up. I love it.

And I'm like, okay, okay, I'll hold the kid. You know what? People at the time, and this is, again, a little bit off, but I enjoy it, at the time, a lot of new mothers would come up to us on the street and say, like, you're getting me through. You're getting me through. And at the time, I'd be like, that is such an interesting thing because I wouldn't necessarily think that, like, you have a newborn.

I'm going to watch single ladies. but now that I've had kids, I understand, because you're kind of enclosed, you're somewhat trapped in the newborn experience, right? Like you're not living your life in the same way. It's a very big change. So I think it was like an outlet, like a fun, you know, like how it used to be type thing. Because even if everything is going great, you're like, you're just with that baby all the time. Well, you're watching a form of freedom that you do not have and will not for a while.

Beautifully put seven. and 14. Cute. Yes, and you're 23. Oh, my God. She moved here about it for three months ago. I'm so happy.

Fantastic. Yeah, I don't want mine to leave. Sometimes mine says that my 14 is she's like, I'm not going to go anywhere. And I'm like, that's cool, babe. You don't have to. You don't have to. UCLA is right down the road.

Exactly. But we'll see. We'll see. I know I'm supposed to let her let her go. But, you know, maybe not. It'll happen when it happens. Right, right, right. It'll go the way it's going to go.

Him on the other hand, I'm pretty sure he's going to want to go, but, you know, he's only seven, so who really knows. But wait, back to wait, what was I saying? What was I saying? Something about, about. Women watching who have little newborns. Yes, yes, yes, yes. And I didn't really ever get that before I had the kids. And then I was like, oh, yeah, no, I totally get it because you're home and you need something fun to watch. And you need to feel that freedom.

You're right. That's what it is. It's the freedom of the choices. You know, like that's one thing I love about our characters when you watch it. Because some of these things I don't really remember. Oh, what I wanted to say was the man thing. So what would happen when people would get angry about our show, right? And they would feel like, well, I've got to tear that show down.

One of the ways that they would try to tear it down would be to say they're not really women. They're gay men dressed as women because it's written by these two gay guys, which was so unfair and messed up. Oh, it's so unfair. Right. But I feel like any time women kind of own their sexuality. Exactly. they have to find some thing to take it away or whatever. But also it's like saying that gay men can't write women.

What is that about? Like, you know, no one said William Shakespeare can't write women. I mean, maybe some crazy person did, but whatever. You know what I'm saying? People can write other human experiences. This is the joy of what we do. You know, you don't have to be exactly the thing. And the women that were written were connected with millions and millions of women.

Absolutely. People don't say this now. Thank God. Though they do, occasionally people will say, oh, I thought gay men wrote that. show and I'll be like, well, can I just show you the list of our female writers? You know, it's long. We have a lot of amazing female writers, but also, who cares? You know, like, who cares?

It's an interesting thing how they'll try to undercut you, you know, sometimes. I hope it's not what it sounded like I was saying. No, not at all. It just reminded me of it. It reminded me of it because I do think when I watch it, there are moments with Samantha where I think, first of all, like, she is such a powerful, powerful character because we have not seen her before. And really kind of since, I don't think we've seen her.

I mean, maybe in reality TV. I don't really watch reality TV so much. But the, you know, energy that she has the, like the way that she embraces her sexuality, the complete unapologetic, you know, way that she lives her life is so unusual and different. And I can see in some ways that, you know, that was a very, like a loud statement made by, by Darren and Michael Patrick in some ways. Necessary one. Yeah, necessary and interesting one.

Because it's interesting she's so, like even, you know, she gets sad and she has all the different feelings. This episode, she's fine, though it is really interesting when I have that fight with her, Charlotte, and she have that fight and Vera Wang. I hadn't remembered that. I hadn't remember that at all. But I also think it's so realistic. Like people get so stressed about their weddings, you know, and just like, like, lash out at people. and I think also there was so much stress about,

I've said this before, and there were weird headlines about it, but like Charlotte is Charlotte, and she wants the big fluffy wedding gown, and she wants everyone to be wearing these identical dresses, and there was a lot of stress for Pat Field, our costume designer, because there was a lot of debate about weather. Oh, God, it was Pat Field. Yes, remember Pat?

I love her. I know. She's incredible. She's incredible. And I'm happy that they ended up in their beige dresses and I love how Sir Jessica styled hers with the little tartan, you know, belt, because that is a very carry thing to do. But I think there was some debate that maybe they shouldn't all be dressed the same, that that's not true to their character. So I think that made its way

into that scene. And Samantha's saying, my hem should be shorter. Shouldn't I look amazing? And me saying, oh, if I have to be a bridesmaid, she says, if I have to be a bridesmaid, shouldn't I look amazing? And I say, well, you don't have to be a bridesmaid, which is really pretty bold of of Charlotte to say also. And then she says something like, well, I thought you wanted me to be. And I said, no, I just didn't want to leave you out, which is like kind of cutting, you know, like,

ouch. But it's kind of, but it's good writing because at the same time, you get why she might want to cut her out, because who the, why do you got to be the hot bridesmaid? The whole point is, being a bridesmaid's dress is, no, you're going to try to,

we're going to try to make everybody look a little frumpier so mama can shine. That's right. That's right, Clark. See, I don't. really, it's funny too, like, I didn't really realize that so much until my friend started getting married. You know what I mean? Like, I didn't really, I thought everyone wanted to look great or whatever. But then I realized like, no, you're, you're, technically, you're in a support

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You do? I don't know. I didn't. Yeah. Me too. He's really into her. Yeah. He seems to have an interesting kind of muted, like not mute, not the right term, a gentle form of masculinity.

Yep. You know, he's kind of, he's talking about the kinds of trees in the way that they compliment each other. I'm like, listen, if you could find somebody like this on a dating app, you would, you would check out of the game. 100%. That's what I thought too. But I was always, you know, you want, or do you? You want the kind of like slightly slutty bad guy in big. I mean, is big slightly slutty? That's super interesting.

I had never thought of him that way. I would describe big as a slightly withholding or very withholding bad guy or power guy or whatever. Why is he being withholding? Because he's working some other angles. I don't know. Oh, I love to hear the man's side. I mean, I don't know. Listen, I'm not a.

You were right. You were right. That whole time he was holding. He reads like a finance, bro, and I think of them possibly in an acquisition-y kind of mindset. Yes, Clark. Why is he not locking that down? Right. This is good.

This is very good. This is why we need the men to come on the podcast, okay? We need to cut through it, all right? We need to cut through it. So when you're watching Aiden, because I also had forgotten him, because I know Corbett, and Corbett is not, like he obviously, he's bringing all that to it. but like he i wouldn't describe corbett as a soft masculinity he's like super masculine you know like have you ever met corbett i don't think i have yeah he is a character and like a one of a kind individual 100 percent but very um i would describe him as more you know like straight up masculine masculine

masculine you know what i'm saying like he's he's also really tall we're talking about the moment where she drops the bomb on him. And there's so many ways to react to that. Yeah. And it's such a primal wound whether one likes, because, you know, you walk around as a male and you have several brains in there. One of them that is in charge way more than you want it to be is about 80 million years old. And it has reactions to things like that that don't make any sense to you,

but they completely take over the ship. Yeah. And I don't know. There just was a way where he just, and I think it was some of the writing, leaned into this kind of like just really, wow, you've really, I'm really, I don't have to say. It really hurts. I know. It was so good. I thought it was so good.

That's what I mean by a kind of gentler. Yeah. Oh, I know what you mean. Exactly. Right. Throwing things. No. No.

No. He doesn't know none of those. No, I'm not disagreeing in any way. I just think it's interesting because John isn't that way himself, right? So he's really doing a great job, you know, with what was written, right? Yeah. Like he's really deepening it. And it's so sad.

Like you feel so sad for Aiden. But then I also felt I also really was, I was so torn because I do feel for Carrie. Like here she's got this amazing thing. She's, of course, messed up by cheating with big. But she wants it to work out, which is why she tells him, because she doesn't want to have the lie. She can't sleep at night because she has the lie. She's out there smoking on.

the stoop, right? You can't really live like that, you know? Like, like it's, it's taking over her her mind. It's like in between them even, you know, because, because she hasn't told them, right? Like, it's living there in her, in her vision. It's living there. Like, I did this. I don't deserve him, you know, basically, which I felt for. No? Did you? No? You looked like, no. Well, no, I agree with everything you're saying. I guess, and I'm looking at it from a present-day lens and I thought there's so many deep personality red flags. I'm sorry, I know it's a fun-loving, promiscuous show, but if you like this guy and you went and had an affair for three weeks, to me, the conversation should be very different. But that's very of this moment. Like,

right. Okay, we have to talk because I've done something horrible. Right. I don't understand what happened. it's not okay with me. I don't blame you if you never, you know what I mean? Yes. I think the conversation is, what the hell is wrong with me? Right.

That I would do this to somebody. Right. I think it came off a little, I got to tell you this thing that happened. It's not like you didn't trip over a pothole and land on a naked guy. You did it for three weeks. It's so true. Which is not a moral judgment.

It's just. Right. No, she doesn't present it well. Yeah. You have no respect for me or this relationship or you wouldn't have done it. Yikes. I mean, yes, I understand. I mean, I think it's an interesting thing.

Maybe that's, maybe that's, my dad was a minister. No, no, it's interesting. I still carry those kind of moral hardlines. I think, but I, but I mean, I get what you're saying exactly. And I think part of the thing about Carrie, which is interesting is that on the one hand, she is the seeker and she's writing this column about, you know, I wonder this and I wonder that. I mean, that's true.

He's getting with, he's getting with the sex columnist. and like, you're never going to believe this, but I slept with somebody else for three weeks. He's like, this is what my friend said would happen. Which is probably true. But the thing that's great about Aden and the reason they're interesting together is that he's kind of not New York. Like, sometimes you don't even know if he understands what she does. Do you know what I mean? Like he's not of her world.

He does. He feels like an upstate guy. And he is. I mean, we have an episode where they're going to go to the country coming, right? They go to the country. I got to watch the show again. Yeah, clearly. Clearly, clearly, Clark.

You've got to watch the whole thing. But, you know, he's so, you know, he's disarming because of that, right? Because he's not of her world, whereas Big was very much of her world. But yet she doesn't, like, she's not, she's not worked out. And so there's been a lot of the conversation about Carrie since the show ended about, you know, she's a narcissist, she's this, that, blah, blah. But, I mean, obviously we wouldn't have had a show if she was worked out. You can't write about people who are. Nobody wants to see a show about.

Happy people enjoying life. No, and also, like, who is that happy all the time anyway, right? Like, all of us have areas of not being worked out at some point. I feel like you're pretty happy. Not all the time. I am, I think my general vibe, like my general energy is happy. But, like, I have my, you know, I have my. You have a dark day?

Do you have a dark day in there sometimes? Definitely. I might try to hide it. You know what I'm saying? No, no. You know? Like, I probably wouldn't, like, come here. be like, I'm having a bad day on my podcast.

I think people think I'm, people are like, I just love how you're always smiling. And I'm like, what the fuck? What I'm talking about? I'm a dark tortured being. Are you crazy? That's interesting. But I do think of you as being like kind of nice and easygoing. Is that not true inside?

No. Wow. Interesting. I have a certain amount of joie. Yeah. Me too. I have a certain amount of I enjoy humans. I enjoy existing in the world.

Me too. But I definitely wake up in the middle of the night, like on the ninth circle of hell. Me too. Me too. I've been wondering this lately. Like, why is it so dark in the middle of the night? Like, things are good. I mean, I might, I'm just going to say what I tell myself in the middle of the night when I wake up

because I do wake up pretty frequently and there'll be some particular little minutiae on my mind. But what I think is it's the collective, like we're just living through some crazy. times. What do you mean? We're not going to go into it because that's not my podcast, but you know what I mean. It's hard not to be affected by it, you know? Okay, let me ask you about your new show because first of all, I need to understand what network or whatever you want to call it.

It's on. Explain me. Okay, I'm going to give it you fast. Okay. There's a terrific producer in L.A. I've been around for a while, Hillary Shore. Yeah. Everybody loves her.

know her. Yeah. Yeah, she's really fantastic. Really good. I think she would not mind when I say she's one of the great broads. Amazing. Of all time. Love it. And she and this wonderful guy who I didn't know, Aaron Rappaport, a guy here, they, it's like the first year of Sundance in a way. Wow. They formed an indie streamer. What? An indie streamer. It's an indie streamer called the network. Oh my God. And you just download it onto your Apple TV. And what they chose to make, they have another show. I think they have. maybe. But they made a period drama about a couple of murders in the Gilded Age, Stanford White, who was murdered by a guy named Harry Thaw, in a fit of jealous rage over his 17-year-old wife, Evelyn Nesbitt, played by this wonderful young 17-year-old actress.

She might have been 15, the real girl. Ever Anderson, whose mom is Milo Jovovich, and who's just shocking. But it's Mandy Patty Pocene and Janet McTeer and Patty Cohn and Hank Azaria. And Danny Houston. Wow. For a shoestring, they made this period piece set in 1905-ish New York, and it's quite good. Oh, I can't wait to see. How they pulled it off. So that's, um...

That is exciting news. That's what I'm here to get people to do is to try to, among the very important topics we're unpacking. Just to get people to download the network and watch this thing because it's not Netflix. Right. So they need people to. This is amazing. It's an artist-driven thing.

Great. It's a united artists type thing. Amazing. Like I'm going to go talk to them next week about a show I want to try to make with them. Because this is a great, if we could take it over ourselves, we would maybe not get so screwed in the negotiations. Definitely. Also, like the consolidation situation in our industry is so at such a crazy, crazy level. And we've got to create new things so that everything isn't going to be glommed into one thing.

You know? Yes. Yeah. It's crazy town. So I'm so excited to hear that. And I will download it. And I will watch it because I'm. I'm excited. I'm excited to support. Always. Very exciting. God has support the indie, any indie, anything. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you've been incredible. I'm going to ask you one slightly crazy question. Are you ready?

I'm scared a little. Clark. Are you a Charlotte? I really want to be. That's a very sweet answer. But what do you think you really are? You can be honest. It's cool. Do you name which one of the people you are? If you want to, you can be a part of different ones. If you don't say Miranda, I'm going to be shocked. A little bit of Miranda, come on. I don't feel like, I don't feel that. Wow.

Okay, okay, okay. You don't feel that. Okay. You don't feel Miranda. I feel more, I mean, honestly, you're going to have to fill me and we're going to have to go for another 50 minutes. I feel like I live as a duality in that I have at least two of them. fighting at all times. Which too?

Which too? Definitely Charlotte. Okay. I think of Charlotte as softer, good girl, confused by some of her darker naughty impulses. Yes. Well put. Perhaps. I'm not trying to tell you your character.

Yes. Yes. But then a little bit too analytical and in her head too much as I would kind of say Carrie. Yes. And there's always the specter of my 1980s, Samantha, on my soldier. Love it. Love it. Love it. That's great. That's great. I also am in part Charlotte Park, Carrie. I don't really, I don't know that I have a Samantha. I probably should want to have a Samantha,

but I'm definitely half and half, so I relate there. We're the same. Love it, love it. Thank you for being with us. Thanks so much for having me. It's so fun. I wish I had another episode so I could come back. I know, I know. That's what I mean. We should have kept you longer. I'll come back and talk about on his Laddery's episodes. Fantastic. When you see Slattery, tell him he needs to come talk to me, okay? Oh, it's the next call I make. Yay, thank you so much. And anyone else on that text chain, okay? Because we love to have you guys. You have to look up that article. I want to see it. I'm good. You have to make it part of your thing because you have to be like,

how does it feel to be number 27 out of 30? That hurts. That hurts just to feel it. Just to think about it. There was a lot of trash talk on the text threat. Oh, I bet. I bet. Where was Bobby? I don't remember. Funny. It's so funny because he plays Funky Spunk, and I'm just dying to ask him how embarrassing that was.

I don't think I've ever asked him that, and we worked together after the fact, but I don't think I didn't have my podcast self yet, right? Where I interviewed people, how did you feel being Mr. Funky Spunk? I mean, what a surreal thing? You know what I mean? But, yeah, we've had so many great actors,

and it's always really fun. I guess I should feel really good that I didn't walk out of there with a name like that. I think so. I think you got off Scott Free. I already get people calling out character names when I'm walking down the street. I don't need a funky spunk.

I know. Can you imagine? How am I going to explain that to the woman I'm on a date with right now? I know. I know. I know. That's why I'm dying to get Bobby. I'm dying to get Bobby someday.

See, I do have this other thing where like at any time they can come and I'll just do like a little side episode with them because people love to see you guys. If you see them in a restaurant, just like, listen, do you mind if we just do it? Oh, I will. I'll just be like, here's my phone talking to the phone. Talking to the phone. Then I'm going to just be a menace. everyone's going to be like, avoid Kristen Davis.

But hopefully not. Thank you for coming. Thank you so much. It's a pleasure. Have a great day. Have a great day. Yes, me too. Me too.

Don't freeze out there, okay? No, I will. Okay, good. Have a great day. Bye. Bye. There are some things that we didn't talk about. So I'm going to continue my recap.

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