Are You A Charlotte? - Supermodel, You Better Work with Christie Brinkley (S2 E8 "The Man, The Myth, The Viagra")

Episode Date: August 7, 2025

Our conversation with Christie Brinkley continues as Kristin and Christie really dig into the character of Steve Brady and David Eigenberg’s performance.  But, the moment in the episode that inspires the juiciest conversation is when Miranda answers her date's phone…and it’s his WIFE!!!  You will want to hear Kristin and Christie analyze that hot mess.  Plus, a BIG moment that no one saw coming. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Okay, can we talk about David Eigenberg for a second? Because this is the first effort. we see him. Incredible from even the first episode, which I had not remembered at all. The man, the myth of Viagra, is when Steve shows up in the second season. Oh, yes. I didn't remember that at all. And you get right away that, that, that Miranda has been really hurt. I know. Yes, her pain and her anger. And her anger. Why is she being so mean? Oh, she's really been hurt before.

Oh, most definitely. The one let it let down her guard. Absolutely. So adorable. I mean, so adorable. You know, and he's like, you know, just so, like, hopeful and it's so sweet. I know, it is. It really, I was really amazed.

I don't really remember, like, him coming. and I don't remember, I don't know if we knew that he was going to turn out to be like this incredible relationship for her. But he comes on so vividly, immediately. You know, he's immediately so amazing. And the way that he is with her, because she does really have the wall going like big time. But it is really obvious once they kind of get into it, she's so vulnerable, so quickly. So vulnerable. It could, I think I cried the first time because it was so relatable in that, you know, once you've been so hurt and you just want to protect yourself.

Yeah. And the way that she did that scene, you know, when she saw, it was like when Mr. Big comes down and she was like, she really never expected that. And her mind, he was just another man that was going to let her, you know, carry him. Yeah. It was so, like the revelation that came across her face was so, I don't know, sweet. You understood. And then the way she ran out after him and grabbed. In the rain.

It's so good. It's so good. That's like classic, classic. Yes, so classic and I had not remembered any of it. That's the joy of rewatching is that sometimes I'm just getting to be a fan, you know? I love it. But let's get into one thing that happens before that, which I had also forgotten, and I was kind of shocked by. So, yes, Miranda, when we start, we're talking about the myths of relationships.

And so there's a really interesting, we don't have our coffee shop set built, right? So we're out in a restaurant in the world talking about, I'm saying a friend of my friend was having an affair with this guy who was married. And then the guy left her friend's friend and actually married the girl. And now they're happy with two kids and he's a great husband. And they're all like, no, that's an urban myth. That didn't happen. And I'm like, no, it did.

No, it's my friend and my friend. And they're like, no, that's, you don't even know her. You know. And then I love that because there are so many kind of tropes that we have in our mind of like, Well, one, this could happen or that could happen. I heard of it once, you know, like that. And, of course, Charlotte is the one who believes in it. But Maria is like, no, you know, she's really adamant.

And then they show her going on a date to the comedy club. I don't know if you remember this part. Oh, my God. I hated that comedian. Right? The comedian and the dude. Right? And her date got what he deserved.

Totally. So let's just remind everybody what happens because it is all. also really interesting this particular week in the culture of now having a kind of an interesting thing similar to this. So Miranda's at this very small comedy club. This is the comedy seller. I don't know, but there's like no one there. And there's a very obnoxious like kind of alpha male comedian up there telling just like, I don't know, they're bad, not funny, mean jokes. And she's sitting with this guy and we hear Carrie voiceover and I feel like he's a lawyer or investment Baker or something like that.

And he said, either they're kind of bonding over the fact that the comedy is so bad. So this guy seems like he might be okay. And then he says, you know, I'm going to go get up and go to the men's room. And the phone, he leaves his phone on the table. The phone starts ringing in this obnoxious comedian is like, hey, Red, you know, answer your phone. And she's like, oh, God, they're looking at me. She's like, it's not my phone.

And he says, answer the phone. He's like really aggressive. So she picks up the phone and she says, Alan Miller's phone. And she says, I'm his date. Who is this? And then you just see her face kind of go blank. And then the comedian is like, what's going on and comes to grabs the phone. Exactly. Grabbs that phone and finds out that it is the date's wife on the phone. And basically out Samantha and the man for being on the date, not unlike the cold play situation, living through it right now. And so then the guy comes back from the back.

and walks into this drama of his personal life being, you know, a mess. And I believe he picks up the phone and says, hi, honey, like a fool. You know what I mean? And then Miranda leaves, of course. So it's like we already know from the past show that Miranda has kind of been through it. And then this particular thing is like just salt in the wound, you know, that all men are awful and that she hates them all, at which point she meets Eigenberg. but I was struck by the fact that, you know, the cheating thing, it just goes on and on and on

and it doesn't seem to change. Yeah. What's wrong with people? Maybe we shouldn't get married. I don't know, you know? Yeah. It's, I don't know. You know, I always say I have my mom and dad as proof that it is possible.

You know, they were so great together. Their love could light up a room. Yeah, they never had like a sip of wine. If they were, you know, separated from each other without at least reaching their fingers across to each other and touching them, you know. That's amazing. If they couldn't kiss each other.

And so it is possible, but I don't know. It just seems in this world, today that there's so much temptation or not enough uh not enough what's the word i'm looking for like a guy with a strong character fiber like honor honor that's good word yeah that's what it is yeah you know honorable men are becoming a Rarity. I mean, I don't like to think that, but look at politics, for instance. Yeah, let's not. Let's not. No, let's not. But speaking of which there was a camera. Oh, my God. I almost fell off my bed.

Which got a bigger, ew, and then the ass did. I get it. One show. I know. I know. I mean, honestly, I know in my mind that we have had a history with. Trump on our show. But I tend to block it out, right? And then all of a sudden, there he is, and you're just like, it's so strange. It's just so strange. Who would have ever thought that this man would then be the president? It's fascinating. But we don't really have to go there because it's a brief, it's a brief thing. And he was very much a fixture of New York. So in that way, it makes sense.

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hoping that we're going to kind of come out the other side of that at some point. But I also want to mention, especially in the Coldplay situation, there's also a married woman involved there, right? So, like, to me, it makes me wonder, like, are we, is marriage like an outmoded construction that we have created, which is not to say that there can't be happy ones, obviously, you know, but in the world that we're living in today where everyone's so, like, trying so hard to do so many things and there's probably a lack of connection in so many ways, right? And maybe hard to keep that connection going, I'm no expert by any means.

But like it takes so much work, you know, to keep a connection to like take care of that connection. Yeah. You could get married for like, we'll see if we want to renew it in five years. I like that. You know, every five years you go, do you want to renew? Right. Honesty.

Like honesty. And that way, if you don't, you know, if you're getting bored or whatever, you can get out of it. Right. Without all the lawyers and the, you know. Drama. Oh, right. All of that stuff. Yeah.

Yeah. And so much pain. I feel so bad for, you know, women and men really, you know, like when, because I do feel like society sets you up to think, like Charlotte. You know, Charlotte is obviously so marriage-focused. And I'm not, but she was. And so I really tried to channel that because we are brought up to believe that that's what will bring us happiness. Yes. That's what we should do and that that will make us happy. And one of the things I love so much about Charlotte's whole journey was that, obviously, when we meet her, she's like that. She just starts like that, you know, that she's

brought up in Connecticut and she wants to have these things and she wants to be a mother and all the all the beautiful things. And then she tries and tries and tries and tries and tries. Eventually she meets Trey and it looks perfect, but then it isn't. Yeah. Which was great. And then, of course, we know she meets Harry. It doesn't look what she wants it to look, but it is the connection that she wants.

And thank goodness. Thank goodness worked out over time. And they raised the children together. And I think they're a wonderful partnership. But I also think that, you know, Charlotte is like number one. a very hard worker, right? Like she's going to work at that thing. You know, she's like super hyper focused on that thing. And luckily, Harry is just like a great, great guy who, you know, supports her. Goes along with it. Goes along, yes. And I feel like that's one thing. And yeah, like, he's, he's,

yeah. Like, it's an interesting dynamic. And of course, they're fictional, which I have to remember. But it's interesting to think about the things that make it work. and I feel like some of it is luck in terms of where you are in your life when you choose. Yeah. And then I also think a lot of it is like the amount of work that you and the other person have to put in because it can't just be one person doing the work. Yes. And I feel like that's sometimes off.

Yes. Absolutely. I don't know why I went down this road. But it was, I mean, partly because watching the scene with the comedy, the guy, the awful mean, comedian it really i was like this is so much like this cold play business i i was amazed and it's almost 30 years ago you know it's interesting to me the memes for the cool play thing are hilarious i mean beyond beyond i feel bad for those people those are real people or whatever the meme from that show totally totally totally all right let's go back to eigenberg for a second

because i do also because here we are she's miranda has been through so much, as we know, and she's at a bar of a restaurant waiting for Carrie, who stands her up because Big wants to make her dinner. Oh, that hurt me watching that. I mean, on the one hand, yes, Big is on like a different level of charming in this episode, you know? So I get that part, but I also feel like Carrie, that's not cool. You shouldn't stand Miranda up. But I do think that she was on a bit of a, she's just, been called his girlfriend, which means everything to her. Yes.

And so she's like, I can understand, you know. Oh, I can understand, yes. But I also don't think it's cool. No. Do you what I mean? And I feel like the interesting thing with Carrie is like she doesn't, she's got odd boundaries. You know what I mean?

Like they come and go kind of. You know what I mean? So, and she kind of puts up with a bunch of. frustrations from big but then he sings to her in a restaurant calls her his girlfriend and of course she's beaming and it is so charming yes and the chemistry is so intense between them but yet she is still holding in so much and she does have all these hopes and you know it's that thing where of course the second where she's like will you go to dinner with my girlfriends and he's like yeah I'm like he said that too quick and you're waiting for the other shoe to drop of course and and it does

happen. It does happen. But one of the things I love about this particular episode and one of the things I've been rediscovering watching the show is the relationship between Miranda and Carrie and kind of the ongoing arc of it and how they are so deeply attached, but also they have the most kind of open conflict of any of us, you know, like Miranda will disagree and tell her like, you're wrong, you're messed up, but also that's who she will go to, you know, for, you know, to lean on and who Carrie will go to Miranda to lean on. It's so interesting. And they have one of their walk and talks, which always are one of my more favorite things. Oh, but also Samantha. Samantha and Carrie have a walk and talk, which I love so much because it's on, I think they're on Central Park. They might be

on Park Avenue. Wait, no, they're on Fifth Avenue. And they're walking down. So it's like, you know, the trees are blooming. It's so beautiful. Like the spring in New York. You know, know, just so the best time ever, my favorite time, and they're walking and talking about the older man. And, you know, Carrie is like, do you have any age limit? She's like, I don't know. You know, it's all very interesting. And I don't know if we would do that same scene now. It seems like it might not be cool. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I think things changed, have changed a lot since then. Yeah.

And I think it is more sort of frowned on, but I don't know. I think that there's still a lot of that going on. So true. You know. So true. So true. I mean, it's interesting because I feel like we, I do think that that was supposed to be the comedic storyline, right?

Because we do kind of have drama happening with Miranda and drama happening. with Carrie. And so then also I have my story language we haven't even mentioned. You are so romantic. Like you, your notions are just, cannot be crushed, cannot, you cannot be debated. It's so true. You are going to believe in love. It's, if it's the last thing you do. It's true, Christy. I want to convince everybody else that if you just believe in love and it's going to happen. out and it will happen. I know. And look, I mean, part of me, I don't think that's wrong.

I think it's true. I do too. But sometimes when I'm watching Charlotte, myself, whatever, I am thinking like I'm worried for her, you know? Yeah. But maybe that's because I'm me and not her and also because I'm at this age rather than that age. You know what I mean? Yeah. Because it is definitely, she's just so open. The Stuff You Should Know guys have made their own summer playlist of their must listen podcasts on movies.

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but you know you can't understand as you said you can get why and then she asked him when you come to dinner with my girlfriends and he says yes you see her walking down the hall in this incredible dress I mean it's like you know just she looks just like it blows your mind and he opens the door

and he's not dressed and you're just crushed oh my god her face is the disappointment that she registered so perfectly i know she's so good oh she just really wanted that it's so awful to show him off to her friends so badly and and you know that that was so important to her i know and then he's not even dressed and then he says i don't want to go because it's going to rain and you've got your friends anyway Right. You don't need me. He doesn't get it at all. And she really, oh, so devastated. But, but as we will see, he's not as dense as he seems right that moment. Thank God. But then she goes to the restaurant and this also kind of kills me. We're all there. And she can't tell us that he's not coming. She doesn't want to tell us.

So she says, she says something like, I don't know he's still at work. So she's trying to like prepare. She can't say it the word. It's sad. The disappointment was too great. She couldn't say it out loud. It was something she was hoping that maybe it would just sort of fizzle the whole thing like, well, now I got to leave. I've got to, you know, go. Right.

It just really makes me sad. It's just not to address it. Oh, God. It really makes me sad. Yeah, me too. But it makes it so much better when it, when it, because, And so, yes, Charlotte is there, like, so hopeful and, you know, everything's great. And poor Steve is, like, bringing them all drinks.

I know. And Miranda's all mad because now she thinks Big's not coming. And, yeah. Saying that thing about, you know, oh, I guess I just slept with too many bartenders. And he was like, okay, here's some money and I'm out of here. Yeah, it's rough. she's hard on him she's always

hard on him I know and now we know where it all ends up so it kind of hurts even more somehow you know I mean I know they've had good times and of course when they go out so wait let's not jump ahead we'll go there in a second so we're

there Charlotte of course super like puppy dog doesn't have any vibes that anything's bad so obviously looking at Steve like why are you being so mean to him, you know? And then everyone's sitting there and Carrie's like, you know, trying to figure out how she's going to break it to us, the big's not coming. I think we hear in her voice over where she says, I couldn't, I didn't have the heart to tell them, you know, so I pretended I didn't know or whatever, at which point we go into slow-mo, which is so fantastic.

And I say, there he is. I say, of course he's going to come and there he is. And everyone turns. And as you said, Cynthia plays it just so beautifully. because it means as much to her in a way as it does to carry. Yes. There is hope. There is hope. Yeah. It's really good.

Yes, so good. Both of them so good. It'll be really good episode. It's such a great episode that I had no memory of. Right? And then so we have this incredible slow-mo moment of Big is coming down the stairs towards us. Miranda is having this epiphany that maybe things could. could possibly work out.

Carrie is having an epiphany that maybe her dreams are not crushed again. You know, maybe they can, can live and exist, right? Maybe he can step up to the plate. And then Miranda, very smartly, says, I'll be right back and goes out into the pouring rain. It's a very cinematic moment. I think it's one of our kind of early cinematic moments, right? Because this is only season two. And they kiss in the rain.

And when they kiss in the rain, all I could. think of was them kissing on the Brooklyn Bridge in the movie. Do you remember that? Yes. Yes. Such a great through line, you know, to see like the little details. Yes. It's beautiful. It's beautiful. And Eugenberg is just so great. Oh, he is. His, he's, his vulnerability is always right there. Yes. You know, he's so, he's such a great actor. He really is.

But you never think of him as an actor. He just like a real person. It is. Yes. Yes. And I mean, I think in some ways I took him from granted because I didn't really have an objective viewpoint of like just his incredible work. And I mean, the writing also just so beautiful.

Yes. Yeah. So good. And he just has a way of getting in between her different walls that she's erecting as they're going. You know what I'm saying? She's just so busy trying to block him. And he's just finding funny, charming, funny, charming, smart, you know, different ways to get in there. And oh, my gosh, you just love him so much. So much. I'm just so happy. It makes me so happy that they wrote him. You know, I'm like re-experiencing. these things that I took for granted over time, you know? And also, he's just the opposite of big in so many ways. Yes. But it works. Yes, he's, he is vulnerable. He is approachable. He is, you know, giving, constantly thinking, he's thoughtful.

He's always thinking of what she might need, what's how he can help, how he can make her happy. Right. But he's not a doormat in any way. That's what is so amazing, right? Like, it's not easy to write that kind of male character and not easy to play it either, but like he has such a strong core. Oh, yeah. Like one episode when he did ask for something for himself, he was always giving for her. And one episode, he asked her, I'm going to cry, he asked her to come. He asked her to Watch him play basketball. Oh, yeah. And she didn't show up, you know?

And then he says it. And then at the end of that episode, it wasn't in this episode. But he's out there and she does show up. Remember he had to hit the hoop. He was going to win like a million dollars or something. Oh, my God. But that one shot in. And sure enough, she was there.

He didn't get it. but he didn't care anymore because she came. It was worth a million bucks to him. Oh my gosh. I can't wait to rewatch that one. I only vaguely remember it. But, I mean, it's incredible. It's incredible.

The future occurs. Yes. And just, I mean, I think a lot of that is the testament to the writing. You know, that we can still all this time later have such a strong, like, relationship to these characters and emotional reaction. Yes. It's just, it's a beautiful thing and I'm just so lucky to be a part of it. Yes.

I mean, yeah, we're the lucky ones that you've all, you know, done this show for so many years that have kept us all entertained and talking and thinking and, you know, you can really discuss every episode. like this and and delve in and um it's still topical some some episodes we go wow that is has aged you know like of course yeah yeah but it's interesting then yes yes we were and where we are absolutely all good you know and absolutely we're really uh the recipients of the you know the gift so oh i think we all are i mean we love doing it as you know we love it so much and i mean you know we love each other so much so it's it's an amazing creative you know situation to be able to be in and the gift of the fact that the

inception of the show and the writing and the execution of the show have you know withstood the test of time is a gift to us as well and that's that's from the fans you know and and now i kind of get to be both rewatching it which is really really fun let me ask you your question Should I read your book or should I listen to your book? Oh, well, I've gotten really great feedback on the book. I kind of wanted to listen. You know, during the, you know, when you write a book and then when you go, okay, it's done. Then it goes to lawyers and the lawyers have to change certain things.

And the people that correct grammar or whatever. Sure. And then you reread it and you go, no, I said it grammatically incorrect like that to stress, keep it. You put it back or you change, you know, and it goes through a couple things. Well, I didn't read my third pass. The third pass arrived and Alexa's fiance picked it up and he was my first reader. Wow. He got so engrossed picking it up because he knew. it was like probably the last pass. And so I said, oh, you read it. And I, and I just figured it wasn't going to have that. I said to my publishers, did you change a lot? No, it's tiny little things.

So I said, okay, now I go to do the audiobook. And there were a couple things that I needed to correct. So I called publishers. I said, so what do I do? And she said, Correct them. Just say it the way you want it, you know. Okay. The way you want it. And in the second pressing, you know, if we ever have a second pressing, then we'll do it your way. We took notes. So it's slightly, I mean, it's tiny things.

Interesting. I'm a stickler for tiny things because somebody happens to know that that tiny thing wasn't exact. You know, like there was a thing that said. I had done Barbara Walters show, and then I went to present at the Academy Awards. Wow. And they made it look like it was all in the same day, but it was actually the Barbara Walter's Academy Award Night Special was on TV that day. Of course.

I did, you know, a month before. Right. And then I was in L.A. for the awards. So it wasn't one big long day. So I got it. But if somebody happened to know, then they think what are. the other facts, not factual? Absolutely.

And it's your life. You can correct it. Yeah. And also, I do this thing. I'm not even aware, but like, if I'm talking like Billy, then I kind of have like a voice like Billy. I sort of get like a thing going on, you know. Oh, my gosh.

Or if it's like, you know, a police officer. Like at one point in New York City I had, you know, a police officer came to, because they thought I was robbed. So there was a, there's voices. Oh, I'm definitely listening. Amazing. Christy, you're such a good imitator. Oh, my gosh. That's excellent. I'm going to listen to your version. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'll enjoy it. I can't wait. It depends on what you, if you drive a lot or whatever you might like the audio. Yeah, yeah. I do. If you like to curl up with a good book you like the book absolutely they're both great and congratulations absolutely i'm so happy for you oh thank you the stuff you should know guys have made their own summer playlist of their

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