Are You A Charlotte? - Tantric Sex with Rachel Dratch... (S2 E16 "Was It Good For You?")

Episode Date: October 2, 2025

The laughs continue with the hilarious Rachel Dratch as she has to analyze a tantric sex scene and break down one embarrassingly entertaining detail after another. Plus, Kristin addresses a once-iconic Sex and the City trend that’s no longer cool.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to heavyweight on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Kristen Davis, and I want to know, are you a Charlotte? Welcome back, everybody, to Are You a Charlotte, Part 2. Thanks for joining us. Here we go. Now, we're going to get to my favorite, favorite storyline of the whole thing, probably because I'm sober. I've been sober a very long time. This Carrie's storyline, oh. I thought actually, well, you go ahead.

You. Okay, I was going to say this storyline felt like more real than a lot. Not that the other ones are right, but this felt like very relatable. So relatable. And like more than the usual. I'm with you. Usually it's a little more like salacious or like extreme. Yeah.

And this was like something most people have been through this storyline. 100%. And I loved it so much. and I remember zero, absolutely zero. And this guy, I don't remember this guy, but he's incredible. That guy is so good, we're going to figure out his name. Okay, so this is Carrie's storyline, you guys. And if you haven't seen this episode, you need to watch it only for Carrie's storyline if for nothing else.

So this is the episode, was it good for you? And basically, so this is the one thing that I love as well. You know, Carrie smokes back in the day, right? And later on, too. But, you know, this is funny because now no one smokes. No one gets to smoke now in film and TV, basically, which is a very interesting thing. My kids think smoking is like, anyone who has a cigarette. I mean, we drove by the other day someone who had their arm out of a car with a cigarette,

and my daughter was like, oh, no, like she thought like a fire was going to start. Like, they have such a fascinating reaction. And I'm like, yeah, they're terrible. Cigarettes are terrible. Of course, I don't want my kids to smoke, right? But it is just funny. Like, it was a right of passage in a way for us to have the little smoking phase. Don't tell my mother I said that.

If you're listening, Mom, I never had a smoking phase. And really, when I smoked, it was when I was in college and we would come into the city and we would go to village cigars. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it was really fun. And I would get, like, those French cigarettes that are wrapped in different colorful papers. Do you know what I mean? That's how they get you. Yeah.

Exactly, right? Like the colorful papers. They were cool. And then we would go and sit on some stranger's stoop, which is all very funny, ending up where I did, you know, filming a show on a stoop in the village. And we would sit and smoke. I would try to smoke and they would laugh. I was the comic. I could not pull it off.

Yeah. Could not pull it off. So thank God I am not a smoker in sex in the city or, and just like that. Thank God. But Carrie is. So Carrie's walking down the street. And this handsome guy has his back to her. He's standing leaning on a building.

and he finishes a cigarette and flicks it, and it hits Carrie. And she's like, ow! And she's really, like, peeved, you know, which is funny, since she is also a smoker. Right. But it burned her, you know, it hits her arm. And he's like, oh, my God, oh, my God. And, you know, did it leave a mark? Well, also, he's very cute, right?

So this cute smoker guy has, you know, throwing a cigarette at her inadvertently on a village street in the summer. I mean, it's pretty fantastic, right? These are the days. These are the days. So she decides that he's cute. Let's see. What is this guy's name? Oh, Patrick Casey.

Yes, Patrick Casey. She says his name a lot, too, which is interesting. Yeah. Yeah, she seems fond of his name. This is an important central question of the show, this particular episode, your performance in bed. Not your Rachel's. So you know how Charlotte, you know, the guy sleeping, one there, theoretically having sex?

Right, right. Then we go to the coffee shop, and I'm like, you know, oh, you know, and everybody has their different, like, two cents to say about, you know, like whether. Like, are you good and bed? Right. How do you know? All that. Yeah.

Right. Right. And it is an interesting question. And I wonder now in the days of, you know, Raya and whatnot, where apparently people sexed and or, you know, engage in, I don't know, some kind of very sexual flirtation early on, as opposed to the olden days where it might have taken a while. Right.

Right. I wonder what the young people feel about performance. Do you what do you mean? What do you mean? I mean, like, I wonder if they worry about it. Oh, oh. I don't talk too many young people. Especially about their sex lives.

I get it, I get it. But this is your job. It is my job now. I'm not really. Let me ask you this question. Have you ever listened to the Call Her Daddy podcast? No. Let me tell you.

That makes me like an outlier. No, I mean, you're a bit of an outlier. I mean, I've heard of it. Yes. So this woman, Alex Cooper. Yes. Fascinating individual, okay? An incredible interviewer.

Okay. But one of the things. She's extremely sex positive. I've heard that. Yes. She's like, in my mind, if Carrie and Samantha had a baby, it would be Alex Cooper. Okay. Because she has the Carrie, like, I'm going to understand it.

I'm going to get to the bottom of it. But then she has the Samantha sex positive, you know, just like non-judgmental. Like, let's get in there. Let's talk it through. So one of the things that she did, and I have not listened to this actual episode, I feel I should, just from a female perspective, she gives like very specific instructions on how to give a good and I mean specific do you guys know what I'm talking about yes they're all nodding they

know they know so it's like it's in depth okay like in depth directions like tantric sex class you guys watched in your episode more so more so even like more so Oh, all right. Yeah. I know. So that reminded me of the young people and their performance, right? So I do think that like the kind of, you know, the normalizing of talking about sex and talking about specifics. And, you know, like, what are you into?

What are you not into? And empowering everybody. Like, don't do things you're not into. Like, she's like that. She's not saying, you know, let him pressure you or anything. She's very empowering. right which is great and I mean she's really my main my main like viewpoint into the young ladies okay that makes sense right she's she's out there okay and I love her for it I think it's

like she's she's providing a service yes you know so she's what I thought of when I was watching this because I feel I feel for us in the 90s right there's no one was talking about this stuff in a public I mean you you're show was kind of a thing like exactly your show was the version yep of you know the more yeah yeah intro version to the present day exactly for for better or worse call her I call her daddy call her daddy yeah cut that I forgot the name of the that's that's okay okay okay well because it's confusing if you haven't listened to it it's basically she's kind of taking on the power of like I'm your daddy don't call them daddy okay okay okay I think yes okay thank yeah I mean it's scary

But I feel like sex in the city back then was the, like, you know, opening all these topics that, like, you know, no topic was too embarrassing or whatever, taboo or whatever. That's right. And that's what was, made it take off so much. Yes. Yes. And I'm so thankful that we were there to do it. You know what I mean? And I feel like it's a good thing for people to talk about sex and the specifics.

Because, I mean, it's a very, you know, relatable situation that doesn't. serve anyone to be just hidden under rocks. You know what I'm saying, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hi there, this is Josh Clark from the Stuff You Should Know podcast. If you've been thinking, man alive, I could go for some good true crime podcast episodes, then have we got good news for you. Stuff You Should Know just released a playlist of 12 of our best true crime episodes of all time.

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really well. Do you remember that? There's a final little scene. Oh, my God. Okay. It's, you know, below the camera, thank goodness. Oh, okay, okay. Yeah, you just...

No, I mean, I'm trying to remember if I saw... I mean, whatever. He's like, ah, you're so good, you know, whatever. And she feels empowered. Like, Charlotte feels empowered. Okay. Exactly. I mean, this is what's important, right?

to feel empowered, I think, is the important thing. And whatever it is you want to do, right? Right. So anyway, back to Carrie. So I love this storyline so, so much. So she meets this very cute guy. First she wonders about, you know, she's writing and she's like, I wonder, you know, she does that. And then they talk about, you know, performance, blah, blah, blah.

Then she's walking down the street. She meets Patrick Casey. And they flirt. They go to coffee. We find out that he's a movie music composer, which is also interesting. I'm like, hmm, who is this based on? We need to know. Oh, right.

We need to know. And then she does something that's also so cute. So they're having coffee after he's, you know, burned her. And then she's leaving. And she thinks to herself, how many smoking, cute guys, single cute guys are left in Manhattan, maybe seven, I think she says, which is funny. So she goes back and gives them her number. She's like, I never do this.

But she gives them her number because, of course, back then, you know, it wasn't this common, common thing of like everyone with their cell phones. I think she writes it in a real old-fashioned pen. Right? With a pen, I think. Oh, no, maybe she types it in his little, little page-you-looking thing. I can't remember. Something old-fashioned. So then.

then uh but do do do then he doesn't call her right and she trips out which i also thought was funny like carrie of such confidence with you know men you know what i'm saying like men and then so she's talking to miranda this is when miranda tells her about her beautiful sheets that she spent so much money on which i also remember it's kind of a like a right of passage to go buy expensive sheets. Right. Did you ever do this? I don't think I did.

What? I know. I don't think I went and like... You didn't have like the fray? I wasn't fancy like that. No? I don't know. Wow.

Maybe I should... It's one of my things. I don't know if it's worth it. Oh, I love ABC Carpet. I know. I order ABC Carpet in LA, man. I'm like, ABC Carbett has the good stuff. The good stuff...

That's like, this is how royalty lives. Like when you go over their sheets, I'm like, $500 for one sheet. I mean, that's not really. my style. I get it. But anyway, again, I'm off on a tangent. I get it. No, I love a tangent.

Go ahead. Go ahead. Miranda gets the sheets. She gets a beautiful peach colored sheets, which seems odd, okay? Like Miranda buys peach, strange to me, but whatever. She buys peach, and she's talking about how there's no action in her bed, so she's going to make her bed beautiful, and maybe they will come. Okay.

And Carrie says, like Field of Dreams. If you build it, they will come. This dude, what is his name? The real dude. The Patrick Casey. His name is Richard Joseph Paul. Okay. Is that not confusing?

How many first names can you have? His name is Richard Joseph Paul. I don't know where he is now. I wish I looked it up. Because my God, he is so good. He was very good. Oh my God, so good. So he doesn't call Carrie.

Carrie trips out and thinks that she is somehow unattractive and misread him, which of course is very unlike Carrie. right? And Miranda's like, what are you tripping out for? You know, calm down, like how she is. Then, Carrie's back out on the street in the village on a Saturday. She sees him again smoking on the street corner. With a somebody, a guy. With a handsome guy. Another handsome guy. Right. So she decides maybe he's gay. Right. Now, maybe that's not fair, but there's some two cute guys in the village. We've all been there. I mean, we really have, right? So she sees him, she decides to walk up to him,

He seems a little strange, like, uncomfortable. And she's like, well, okay, you know, and she kind of walks off. He chases, he runs after her, and he says, Carrie, I'm sorry, I didn't introduce you to my friend. You know, I'm an alcoholic. We're waiting for our meeting to start, which, of course, now it all makes sense. This is what people do. They stand outside the meeting. They smoke cigarettes and eat candy and drink coffee.

This is what you do. You know, being an alcoholic, this is what you do when you're in the program, right? Yeah. And she's like, oh, you know, I thought you were gay. I'm not gay and I didn't call you because I've only been the program 11 months and my sponsor told me I cannot date until it's been a year, which is a very, very real thing. I've been on both sides of this situation, right? My own self having to try not to date, which is so hard when you're young, you're trying to get sober, you just want some comfort or some fun. You know what I mean?

Yeah, yeah. You really want to date. And also, it is very much an addiction type of situation, right? Like the thrill of a flirtation, the thrill of a new relationship. Right. Yeah. So understandable that addicts would want to transfer that energy over to another person. So then he goes, and he goes, well, it's only a few weeks until it's been a month, right? Let's go out, because he's hemming and hauling in his own head, you know, so relatable and so real, that guy's so good. And Carrie doesn't really know about it. about this that much, it seems like, right? Which is interesting, and I do feel like back then,

people were not as aware of what happens in a 12-step program, maybe so much. So they go out, the scene that I love the most, there's a lot of good scenes, but the scene that I love the most. So she goes out on many, like, coffee and then dinner, and she tries to kiss him on her stupid. I mean, my God, how this guy doesn't kiss her, I don't even know.

It's a lot. She puts the full court press on, and he somehow just gets out. Stone-faced walks away, yeah. Yes, Stone-face walks away, and she does this really funny thing on this stupid. She goes like, oh, yeah. She's like, what? What am I doing wrong? What am I doing wrong?

And listen, okay, Carrie, we feel you because I would kiss you. I mean, my God, right? Like, she's... It was definitely a movie moment ready to go, yeah. Big time, big time, beautiful, you know, village, night time. evocative. So finally, she says something like, wait, does she just go and grab and kiss him? And then he says something like he's never had sex sober and he's scared to do it. Right.

Because he doesn't know if he'll be any good connecting back to the performance question. It all weaves together. It does. It all leaves together. Which I think this is, we're just newly weaving it together in the show. It took a while for that to get going, like, how we think of it when we think of it in the past, you know? So they go up there and they have sex. And they have some kind, this is Sarah Jessica's sexine. She does not like sex scenes.

She does not like nudity. So they kind of pan across the apartment and you see his back. That's it. You don't even see her. She's hidden in the sheets. You assume she's there, but she might not even been there for them shoot. Exactly. Exactly.

That's how she would like it. Okay. So then it goes really great. And he starts, he's like, sex is amazing. And she's like, uh-huh. And he goes, does everyone know this? And he starts jumping up and down. And it is so adorable and great.

And I sometimes feel that. Like if you haven't had sex for a while and then you have sex, you're just like, oh, my God. It is amazing. I mean, theoretically. theoretically. It might not be. But then sometimes it is. You hope it is. And when it is, it really is. But then when it isn't, it's so sad, right? Anyway, I'm on a tangent. So when that guy, with the many names, Thomas. Thomas. John, Paul. No. John, no. Yes, something like that. Richard Joseph Paul. Richard Joseph Paul. I feel you when you jump on that bed. I really do. I was with you. And I think he's so relieved that he. can enjoy sex without being high or stoned or drunk or whatever he says right so then he's like let's do it again right there oh the addict sees the addict i was like oh we're going down a road this is his new addiction the attic sees the addict oh yeah that's good oh yeah you can yeah you can

totally see an addict yeah you know what i mean yeah i mean it's not to say it's not fun right i've been in many situation where I'm like, oh, this person has this addiction or that addiction or whatever, and then you're like, okay, I'm just waiting, waiting for it to be a problem. But you know what? I relate. I relate. I mean, I'm sober, thank God. But, yeah, you can transfer to a lot of, you know, chocolate.

Chocolate's a good addiction. You know what I mean? Yeah. So basically, this adorable guy, Patrick Casey's his character name. They have a lot of sex. At one point, we cut to the coffee shop. and Carrie's ordering like 12 orders. And all of us are like, what's the problem?

She's like, oh, we've just been, you know, she's having so much sex. And Charlotte, of course, takes that personally because she's still living in the fact that she's bad in bed, which I forgot to mention that Samantha also agrees on. Do you remember when they're walking on the street? And she's like, look at her hips. There's no movement. Oh, I guess I forgot that one little line.

I know. No, they have a whole conversation about it. Yeah, yeah. And I remember this because there's another time earlier in the show where he's like, She's like, your hips don't move. And I'm like, what? Hi there, this is Josh Clark from the Stuff You Should Know podcast. If you've been thinking, man alive, I could go for some good true crime podcast episodes,

then if we got good news for you, Stuff You Should Know just released a playlist of 12 of our best true crime episodes of all time. There's a shootout in broad daylight, people using axes in really terrible ways, disappearances, legendary heists, the whole night. yards. So check out the stuff you should know true crime playlist on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All I know is what I've been told, and that's a half-truth is a whole lie. For almost a decade, the murder of an 18-year-old girl from a small town in Graves County,

Kentucky, went unsolved, until a local homemaker, a journalist, and a handful of girls, came forward with a story. I'm telling you, we know Quincy Kilder, we know. A story that law enforcement used to convict six people and that got the citizen investigator on national TV. Through sheer persistence and nerve, this Kentucky housewife helped give justice to Jessica Curran. My name is Maggie Freeling.

I'm a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist, producer, and I wouldn't be here if the truth were that easy time. to find I did not know her and I did not kill her or rape or burn or any of that other stuff that

y'all said. They literally made me say that I took a match and struck and threw it on her. They made me say

that I poured gas on her. From Lava for Good this is Graves County. A show about just how far our legal system will go

in order to find someone to blame. America, y'all better work the hell up. Bad things happens to good people in small towns.

Listen to Graves County in the Bone Valley feed on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to binge the entire season ad-free, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, and I'm the host of the on-purpose podcast. Recently, I had a conversation

with the one and only Madonna. When I was broke and I had no friends, nowhere to live, I was held up at gunpoint, I was robbed, all these horrendous things happened to me. I had such an unhappy childhood that whatever happened to me in New York is better than what my life was, so I'm not going back.

Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the IHart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. People called them murderers. Ten years later, they were gods. Today, no one knows their names, a group of maverick surgeons who took on the medical establishment who risked everything to invent open heart surgery. Welcome to the Wild West of American Medicine.

I'm Chris Pine, and this is Cardiac Cowboys. If you like medical dramas, if you like heart-pounding thrillers, you will love Cardiac Cowboys. Listen on the IHeart Radio app or wherever you listen to podcasts. Sponsored by Jasper, AI Built for Marketers. I started trying to get pregnant about four years ago now. We're getting a little bit older, and it just kind of felt like the window could be closing. Bloomberg and IHeart podcast present. IVF disrupted, the Kind Body Story, a podcast about a company that promised to revolutionize fertility care.

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By what? All the bright and shiny. Listen to IVF disrupted, the Kind Body story, starting September 19 on the IHeart Radio, app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. We go down the road with Carrie and the guy, and at a certain point, she kind of has like a light bulb moment, you know, that he's got a new addiction. Yes.

And she says to him, you know, I think that, you know, we should just have a little moment apart and you should go home. Oh, I forgot. He confesses that he loves her first. Oh, right, right, right. After a week and a half. Yeah. Yeah, which is so funny and adorable.

And she's just like, oh, thank you. Like, how uncomfortable, you know. But also he's so. He's so exuberant. Exuberant. And, like, yeah. Pure. Seems like genuine.

I mean, of course. I mean, he believes it. But, yeah. Yes, yes. Alex sees addict. But yes, he doesn't mean he doesn't. doesn't mean it. Right, right.

Right. So she's flattered. This is what my notes say. She's flattered, but that's not what you want when you tell someone that you love them. And basically she says, you know, we need some time apart and he's like, are you breaking up with me? And she goes, no, I just want you to go home and I'll see you in a couple days. And this does not go well.

She goes to bed with a very beautiful hairdo, I might add. She's got a real nice top knot. And she hears some shouting. She looks out her window. This guy's in her beautiful street. She saw on Perry Street. And he is stripping off his clothes. And he is drunk.

I forgot about this. Oh, my God. It's so good. It's so good. I don't remember any of it either. He's stripping off his clothes, yelling at her, like, I'm drunk, and it's your fault because you didn't love me back. You know, like, just gone off the wagon is terrible, terrible. and she's torn between, like, wanting to help him, but then she goes at one point, like,

but he taught me that that would be codependent, so I can't go down there and help, right? And then it's like some neighbors shouting it in, like, get your clothes on. So he screams all kind of things at her as he takes off all his clothes, even his underwear on the street in the middle of the night. It's very interesting, and I can't say that I've ever seen that exactly happen in New York. I know. I know. And then later she says that three weeks later, she gets a letter from him making amends.

Oh. I know. And then she never talks to him again, but she wonders if he stayed sober and if she was really that good in bed. Because he tells her over and over again, like, you're amazing. You're them fast. You're amazing. And I mean, what even is good in bed? Like, good in bed is very, very subjective.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. Like, I think, and I don't know that we actually say that in the episode, but that's what I took from it is like, you know, Samantha obviously is good in bed, but the gay guys don't want to have sex with her, but that's because they're gay. It's not related. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. Like, it's a very subjective kind of a conversation. Yeah. That's what I think about it. And I think that if you're, you know, I guess you need to just be yourself in bed is the big thing. Don't you think? I mean, I was just seeing this as, like, Charlotte's journey, and then the other things kind of get woven in, you know, yeah. That's true. Yeah. And so unusual. Like, I feel like that's the first time that we've started on Charlotte, and Charlotte's issue, gets kind of spun out.

Right, right. But I totally agree with you. It is interesting how, even though I love Carrie's storyline the most, because I think that guy is so. good and also so real, like you said, and not like just an extreme something. Like it has so many ups and downs and emotional elements to it. I mean, I think it's great. Also, I thought it was kind of interesting that Carrie had the wherewithal because a lot of times when you're that age, you just like go with this addictive behavior. very, like, I mean, speaking for myself.

But, but, yeah, like, I thought that was kind of interesting that she, like, recognized it and laid down a boundary instead of going, like, hooking on to the drama train and the crazy train. I agree, 100%. I mean, that's the other thing when people talk about Carrie's faults or whatever they perceive Carrie's faults to be, sometimes you look at her and you're like, she's incredibly mature and thoughtful, you know? Like, when he's down there screaming, I 100 would have gone down there to help that guy. Right. Like, who wouldn't? Or like the guy says, I love you after week. You're like, okay.

I mean, I don't know. I don't know. No, that part, that part I kind of get. That would be unheard, though. Because it's kind of uncomfortable. And I think because it's a week and a half, right? Yeah, that's a little rash. It's a lot.

And the thing that I do think about her, which I think is impressive, because she's a sex columnist, right? So she's hearing so many different stories about. relationships and sex and different things, right? She's kind of like this receptacle of all the Manhattan stories. You know, she knows enough intellectually like, oh, yeah, that's probably not a good thing that he's confessing his love after a week and a half. Right. You know?

Yes. But that is a very rational thing. But I have had certainly times where people seem overboard, and I feel like the issue is that you're not in it with them. Like, it's not so great if you're not. you're not also feeling that. Right. I mean, I've also gone too fast myself, right?

But as long as you're in it together, hey, fun, probably not going to last, but really a good time. Yeah, yeah. Oh my God, we did it. We're done. We did? We did. Oh, my gosh. Thank you, Rachel.

Sure. Thank you for having me. It was wonderful. Yeah. I'm going to come visit you on the woo-woo. Oh, yeah. Kristen's going to come on. And we're going to talk about being Pisces and beyond.

Yes. Being woo-woo. On woo-woo. Let's be some woo-woo together. Okay, good. Love it. That'll be fun. I know.

It's good that you were on. Talk about the tantric sex. We need a woo-woo person. Oh, right. I'm no expert on tantric sex. That's okay, but it's in the woo-woo category. It is definitely in the woo category. Right?

Yes. All right. Yay. Wait. Yeah, what? Are you a Charlotte? Oh. Do you ask that?

at the end of a... I do. I'm a Charlotte, yes. Tell us. In what way? I don't know. I just relate to the person that's kind of like,

what, what you do? You know, like that kind of thing. Me too. Out of my friends. Well, I guess I'm thinking back to like being that age. But I mean, I guess I'm like, well, I guess I think of like

Charlotte and Miranda and Carrie kind of in one thing. And then there's like the Samantha. I mean, I'm definitely not Samantha. In case you can't tell from my vibes. But I'd say I'm somewhere in the other three realm, yes. Got it. So different ones at different times.

Yes, yes. Got it, got it, got it, got it. But I relate, I also relate to the, to the, huh, what, huh? Yeah. What? Yeah, yeah. That's kind of the easiest part of me to play Charlotte. Yeah, I mean, that seems really fun to play.

It is really fun. Especially on a comedy, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, it's a good vibe, I think. I agree. A distant wide-eyed, like, what? I like that. And when I look back at the show, one of the things that I think about compared to and just like that is that I was often just responding to them until I get into the whole like, I'm going to get married and I've got this book and blah, blah, blah, blah.

And then when, and just like that came, Michael Patrick would say to me like, you're driving this scene. I'd be like, oh, no. I want them to drive the scene so I can react. Do I have to drive this scene? Right, right, that's your vibe is to be the reactor. No, I mean, I had to still react, but then I also had to drive the scene, especially, like, in Charlotte's family. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like the captain or whatever.

Right, right. Oh, exhausting. Gosh. I like the reacting. Yeah. Fun times. Me too. Right?

Yeah, I've kind of learned that, like, just over the years. Like, I kind of like being the person, like, comes out and says the little thing and goes back, like, rather than the person. And it's like, you know. I feel the same. I feel the same. Just know thyself, yeah. I know. And we all contribute.

Yes, we do. Right? Yeah. They need us to do their thing. Right. But I won't be up there by myself. No. Ew.

All right. All right. Well. That was fun. Thank you. Two Pisces. Thank you. Two Pisces.

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