Are You A Charlotte? - The Big and Small of the Season 1 Finale with Camilla Luddington... (S1 E12 "Oh Come All Ye Faithful")

Episode Date: April 30, 2025

Our Season One finale conversation continues. The church missteps have us all cringing with secondhand embarrassment. Grey's Anatomy star and podcast host Camilla Luddington weighs in with a definitive theory about having one true love, and Kristin responds with a controversial take on Big.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hi, I'm Kristen Davis and I want to know, are you a Charlotte? Hi, hi everybody. We are back. Here we are Camilla Luddington and I recapping the finale of season one, Oh Come All Ye Faithful. Let's jump back in. All right, let's read. Okay, this is fun. We are at this really, really fascinating

and important episode. And I do remember people would come up to me and say like, you know, people sometimes just talk about their favorite episodes and people would say like, oh, like, I love, oh, come on, you faithful? And I'd be like, really? Cause to me, the whole first season was a watch. I don't really remember that much of it.

Okay. Yeah, it was a lot. We filmed the whole first season in three months. It was new. Yeah, it was fast, fast, fast the whole first season in three months. It was new. Yeah, it was fast, fast, fast. That's what I mean about guerrilla TV making. It was just like bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, you know? Yeah.

I wasn't really, in some ways, I obviously would read the scripts and was around and all. Like often we'd cross board locations, right? So maybe Sarah would be doing a scene with Mr. Big and we'd be waiting to do a group scene or whatever. So I was around for a lot of it, but I wasn't really tuned in to the level of work that she was doing.

Like I'm completely wowed every time I look back at these episodes. And partly I'm wowed because like Mr. Big is not worth this effort. I've said this a few times, but I'm like, I agree. Okay, thank you. Because I've always felt this way.

Did you? Okay, explain. I've never been a fan. Got it. So I wasn't a super fan of Aiden either. I just wasn't. I felt like settling. Do you think no one's good enough for her?

No, I definitely, I know, I don't think that at all. I just think that- Oh my God, I'm gonna say something that's so controversial. Do it, do it. I think she has bad taste in men. Ah! Ah!

Carrie Bradshaw, don't hurt me! It's okay, it's okay. I do, I don't get it. Listen, some. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

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I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't. And I didn't at the time, I just accepted it as normal because I think that I also experienced many of these things, do you know? Well, yeah, I mean, there was definitely, I mean, isn't there a time where we all have bad taste? I mean, I think what bothers me about Carrie

is that like she hung onto a man that was like obviously just, I don't understand what the appeal was. Me neither when I look back. At the time I completely did. You did. Right and even when I'm watching this episode, which we're out of order now, but I'm just gonna say because it's on my mind. Sure. You know okay so this is the episode where Carrie is doing some research about religion and so she goes and she's standing on this very picturesque summer New York City street corner and she happens to see, she's looking at a church, she happens to see Big walk out

with his very beautiful mother, almost like wife, good Lord. Marion Seldes, an incredible actress. And she's like, oh my God, Big and his mother. It's almost like she didn't realize that he had a mother. You know, so interesting. And then she walks over, they chat, they have a weird conversation. Like that's also part of what is amazing to me is like,

like their dynamic is very fascinating. And I think a lot of it is cause they're really good actors also, right? So like there's so many layers. Like her face and all the things that she's doing. I know, but like I need, okay, I'm gonna get canceled for this whole thing. No, you're not.

I'm just gonna go in, you guys. You're not gonna get canceled. Carrie has no poker face and it drives me crazy. Sarah, are you kidding? I love you, Sarah. First off to the camera, I love you so much. Carrie doesn't have a poker face. That's true.

That's, and I- You're talking to someone who also doesn't, so I totally know what you're saying. Well, and I also think that that was- You feel for her. Listen, that's why also, to her credit, we loved the show, because I could tell, I can tell in every moment what she's thinking.

I know, right? So I feel like viewers felt like they were girlfriends with you, right? Yeah. So I'm like, no, no, her feelings are hurt. But as a girlfriend, I'm also like, don't show him that face. I know. Don't, he's so unavailable.

Right. Like don't look so hurt. Like no. Right. I know, she's so vulnerable. But that's, that's why I was sucked into the show. But as a girlfriend of hers, which I felt like I was a girlfriend of all of you. I was like, you don't give him that.

I know, see, I need a you in my life. I know, I know. See, I'm not an introvert. I have a poker face. I don't know why. It's hard. I just need Terry to have one with Big. Well, because it's also interesting

because also as I was saying at the time, it never entered my mind. I was team big as was Charlotte. Now, is it possibly because Charlotte was team big that I never really considered it, right? Cause you know, when you're playing a character, you don't realize it's like fully seeped into you. But like, I never looked at it like harshly, like,

hey, should I be team big? Never entered my mind. I just was team big, right? Like I never, I look back and I'm looking at him and his dynamic and how aloof he is and how hard she tries and how he's bread crumbing, to use a modern term, right? But we didn't have that term. And she's just everything.

She's just trying so hard and she doesn't have to. She's so fantastic. And I'm like, gosh, some of us should have said that to her. And I feel like Miranda tries a little bit, but not fully like you're saying, but like she somewhat tries to say, maybe he's just not that great or whatever. I don't know what she says at some point.

Well, you're the optimist too. I am, I am. You're the optimist on the show. So you're gonna be like, yay, this is pretty, yeah, it's gonna work out. No, I don't question, I don't question. This is why I'm a little Miranda. I'm a little like, no.

Yeah, I know, I know. But when she, so then she goes back, so she kind of basically says to him, like, I'd love to go to church with you and your mom. And he's like, oh no, it's just this private thing that I do with my mom. And then she and Miranda end up going to church and they're up in the balcony and they spy on them.

I know, and I remember this and I'm so uncomfortable looking at them in those hats, right? But when she's looking down, I know, they stand out so much, right? I know, I was like, you're trying to go incognito and they look so glamorous, they're in bright colors. Bright colors, straw hats, I know, it's not conspiring at all.

But then she looks down at him and she goes, there he was, the voiceover, there he was, so tall and handsome. And I'm like, yeah, like I'm kind of with her on it still. And then I'm like, but no, he's very withholding. I just think that Sarah is so, and as Kerry too, with that, she's so gorgeous that I'm like, whatever. I thought anybody else a little bit with any guy, a little bit, maybe I'm realizing this moment, maybe I don't think anyone's good enough for her, but I just, I'm not impressed.

With him, with him? I'm not impressed by him. No, I'm not impressed. I know, I know, it's a hard thing to look back on and think it is because I also feel. He doesn't give her much at all. No, and I'm so glad anyway, let's get back before I give everything away we're gonna actually rewatch you guys it's hard it's hard because there's some big themes

look there you are you're very adorable you're not canceled we're just saying I'm saying I'm calling it what it is listen that's you know what you're not alone people have a lot of very strong feelings about Carrie and I think they have a lot of very strong feelings about all. And I think they have a lot of very strong feelings about all of us, let's be honest. And some of them are not always nice, but it's okay. Because to me, I have to remember like, what are you trying to accomplish with art of any kind,

a TV show, whatever you wanna call it, you wanna connect with people, right? So if you're connecting with people, people are gonna project onto you. They're gonna project their own feelings, their own experiences, their own thoughts, all of those things. So sometimes even if it's a negative opinion,

the fact that it's a strong opinion, that's really what our job is. We are re-watching this episode. This episode, Oh Come All Ye Faithful, was directed by Matthew Harrison, who I also literally have no memory of. It's so interesting. A lot of these directors, I just don't know if I was just in like a no sleep induced haze. Probably. Yeah. I mean, I don't remember at all. Except I do think that this guy, and I have to talk to Sir Jessica to find out, I think he was the one who we sometimes still quote because they shoot at the limelight.

Did you realize that's what the club is that they go to in this episode? No. Do you remember the limelight? It's still there. It's an old church. I probably wasn't, I mean, yeah, no, I would have been 19, so I'm not getting into anywhere.

I was already sober, so I wasn't going, but I would walk by it. I had an apartment in Grand Mercy Park, not chic like Carrie's in her current apartment. And I had a restaurant job in Chelsea, so I would walk by it every night in my 20s. And I thought it was very cool, but since I was sober, I knew I should not go in there.

And I did not go in there, but they filmed there, which was also very cool. And I went there, even though I wasn't in the scene, but he was the one who he would shout like, you're at the hottest club in town, dance. And sometimes in the middle of the night, if we're shooting, we're like, you're at the hottest club in town, dance.

We still quote him, but I think this is him. Can I ask a personal question that you don't have to answer? Go for it. It's interesting to me that you're sober and a lot of your show was all about the cosmopolitan drinks. It was tough.

Yeah, it was tough. I'm curious if that was hard. It wasn't hard in the moment of it, right? Because obviously you're not drinking and sometimes I had to play drunk and that wasn't hard either. Do you know what I mean? I was already over the hump of it. It's really hard when you become sober, but I tried to get sober all through college.

I started drinking early, I started trying to quit early. And luckily it took, I would say five years for me to quit because I was so young and no one around me was sober, obviously, you know, in the eighties in college, not sober people. But eventually I did with the help of a therapist that I saw like three times a week, I wanna say, thank you. And then I just had a boyfriend when I got out of college who was also sober. So that really helped

solidify, you know, like getting that support. So incredible though. Congratulations. Thank you. Thank you. So amazing. Thank you. So by the time we got to Sex and the City, which was, I was past 30, so I, and I'd been doing yoga every day. I was thinking about being a yoga instructor. I had created a life that was about kind of health and recovery and emotional, mental health and all of that. So I was pretty solidly sober by then, thank goodness. And it was more fun for me to think about being one of these girls.

It was like mocktail-y, like yeah, yeah. You could lean into like, it wasn't you. Because I was never cool like that. I was from South Carolina. I wore Wild Whale corduroy in college. Like they were all like, what is with your style? Like I was not South Carolina, I wore a wild whale corduroy in college. They were all like, what is with your style? I was not cool at all. Very much.

But it is interesting because you do have those crossover moments. It's not hard to act drinking. No, I was so curious because it became its own thing. For your show. Have you been asked that before? Not in that way. I wouldn't talk about it if I didn't want to talk about it. I mean, it's part of my life and it is an interesting thing

as an actor because you have to navigate, you know, your own stuff. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't, yeah. And it's, it was just, it became a big part of it. I just remember thinking like- Like the shoes. Yes.

Totally. The shoes became a big part of it and the cosmos. It was really odd. That moment in time was really odd where we were kind of like, did we lose control of what the narrative is at this point? Cause this is not our intention, you know? Yeah. No, no, no, no.

I, I, I, I, by the way, I think that's so incredible. Thank you. So guess who wrote this one? Michael Patrick King. And when I watch back who wrote this one? Michael Patrick King. And when I watch back, I see so many Michael Patrick King themes. Yeah. Like the end, which we will get to, which I love.

I love the end so much. So it also stars the incredible John Benjamin Hickey as the Catholic guy, Thomas John Anderson. Get it? John Benjamin Hickey, Thomas John Anderson. Oh yeah. We already knew Hickey by this point. I think Cynthia and Hickey, Thomas John Anderson. Oh yeah. We already knew Hickey by this point. I think Cynthia and Hickey had already worked together.

They ended up also working together later on the C-Word, which was a really interesting show. Yeah, she played his love interest, I believe, on the C-Word for like an arc. It was really good, really good. And Marian Seldas as Mr. Big's mother, which they call Mrs. Big, which is hysterical. That's why I think I got confused about mother versus Mrs.

I know it's really funny. Okay, so we start with John Benjamin Hickey playing a playwright. He's a writer and a director also. Okay. In the voiceover, they tell us that Miranda is dating an up and coming playwright. And remember at the end, they say that this is now...

Yeah, that he puts on a show. Exactly, it's in his show, which is so perfect and great. And also I want to say Cynthia got all the amazing, not all, but so many amazing theater actors because she obviously is a very, very prolific theater actress. And, you know, Hickey, that was like a big deal to have Hickey and so much fun and he's he was great we're also young he's so incredibly good he's so good and sometimes those guest stars they can be hard to be good you know yeah no no no but that's what I'm saying about our show we I mean the people we cast are just I mean it's

such a they keep me on my toes it's amazing absolutely that's the best I mean Hickey definitely will keep you on your toes. Like Hickey, Hickey's like for real, like for real. And the two of them are so good together. It's so funny. It's so funny to watch them. I obviously had not seen this in so long. And I mean, my first thought is like, we're all so young.

You know, once they get over that, we're all so young, our little baby faces. And then I'm like, Hickey's so funny. Cause they're so close on his face. I know the sweat. The sweat. Makeups come in. It's so good, right? Hickey's so funny! Because they're so close on his face. I know, and the sweat. The sweat! Makeups come in, the spray hair. It's so good, right?

I know, it's really funny. It's really funny and good. So basically his character, they're having sex always in the same position, which I also think was a choice. Like it's a very missionary sex for Miranda, right? Yeah. And he's saying, oh God, which is also connected, right?

You're connecting these from the outside. Right? So he's saying, oh God, oh God, oh God. And then he comes and then he immediately, like two seconds of hugging, gets up and goes to take a shower. That's the gist of the storyline. And Miranda is kind of left there like, huh, you know, on her own, no cuddling really, kind of sad, you know. But, you know, it's unclear how serious they are or whatever, but apparently they're having sex every night,

which is also very, there's so many interesting things when I look back on it, like were we, I don't think so, like that prolific, you know, I don't think so. I think that the characters were. We discussed this, Candace Bush, you know, when she came on, I had a lot to say about this, as you would think. She's like, oh yeah, we were having so much sex in the 90s. I was like, were we? Because I don't think I was.

We're obviously at work, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, kind of inhibited whatever. But I mean, she remembers it as being quite frolicking compared to now, which I think is interesting. I think that's something we have discussed too. Really? Yes, yes, yes. But I did see another, I studied out recently that said that the reason that the newer generations are Gen Z and everyone is having less sex is because they're not leaving their house. They're on the devices. That's sad. That's what Candice said also.

Oh really? Yeah, she did. I just thought that was so crazy. But this is where I don't understand. It is crazy and it's not good for humanity and scary for the kids, right? Because I've got a 13 year old and you know, she doesn't have the social media. She has a phone, but she doesn't have the social media. That's tough.

I know. Thank you. Yes, it's tough. I'm a tough mom. But the thing that I am confused about, okay, because I am not on the dating apps. I've never been on the dating apps. I don't fully understand the dating apps, but weren't they supposed to help everyone who's on the phone to meet people? Yes, but what we're missing is the sex in the city, meet cutes. I know!

In the bar. I know! So we're like, we're missing the spice. So it doesn't, it doesn't translate. Also, there's none of that, like, it doesn't translate and I there's none of that, like it doesn't translate. And I think that that whole tease of like, do I like you? I don't know. As soon as you swipe on someone, you're giving,

you're showing your cards. Is that how it works? Yeah. You have to say like, obviously if you swipe on them, you're interested. Okay. So I think it's missing that like, Uncertainty. That playful, like, yes.

It's not playful to swipe on someone. No, because you're basically like checking them already off the bat and then try, I don't like that. And they know this. They know it. Okay, that's weird. That's so weird. I don't really understand it like so much

because Candice said she's owned Raya apparently. And she was like, nothing ever works out from Raya. And I'm like, why not? And she said, because everyone's so busy. And then a younger friend, a guy friend showed me his Raya. Yeah. A lot of famous. And it was a lot of girls with a lot of very much clothing on.

Oh really? Yeah. I was like, whoa. I would have no, thank God I'm married. I would have no game on those dating apps. I don't even understand how. Me with my 5,000 dogs. Oh, hey, that's very attractive.

Anyone who doesn't think that's attractive is messed up. Okay. In a turtleneck, but you know, like, I don't know. You wouldn't play to the same group that these scantily clad girls were, but I don't think you'd want to. Do you know what I mean? No, but I don't know if anyone would swipe.

I think someone would, but see, this is my name, but then like, why wouldn't they be, like shouldn't the other people be on there too? I don't know what's happening. Okay. Anyway, it's very confusing. We're going, we're off. It's okay, we're off, but it's really fun.

Okay, so we're back to the swinging, swinging nineties where Miranda's having sex every night with the Catholic guy and he's showering, which is super interesting. Then she very adorably walks down the street with Carrie and she says to her something like, I must have found the last religious guy in New York City, which is really funny and like kind of so true. Like you don't really hear people say like their religion out, out like right away. Do you know what I mean? Sure. Like it's interesting, right? And then she says that Catholic people should have to wear a sign so that you know. I did laugh.

I'm Catholic. I did laugh at that. Oh, wow. That's funny. I'm glad you laughed because I was like, I'm not sure if that would be acceptable to say now. Do you know what I mean? I don't know.

No, I mean, I thought it was funny. Okay, good. I'm glad you thought it was funny. Good, good, good, good, good. Okay. So then she says that he's a rational and logical guy except for the religion. So she is not down with religion. Miranda is not not religious, not cool with religion. It's kind of interesting. It brings up this whole theme. The theme is about our relationships, the religion of the 90s.

That's what Carrie says. Her question of the episode. Which I was like, wow, I don't remember this. That's fascinating. Very fascinating. Cause really that's still true. Don't you think? Like people, I don't know if relationships are, but like you definitely, I would have to think on that.

Like what is the religion of now? Yeah. What is the religion of now? I don't know either. I think the religion of now might be like just trying to exist. You know what I mean? I can't tell if that's like so depressing or not.

I know, I mean, like for instance, I got this question that I'm gonna answer later on Q and A from I assume a younger person saying, do you think that the depiction of single women in New York City is accurate or was accurate? Which, you know, do you think that the depiction of single women in New York City is accurate or was accurate? Which, you know, obviously not really. Like, it was a kind of upper echelon group of women, right?

And then they said something like, for instance, the fact that they don't have roommates, which is a very real, real issue now. Like you can't find... And I also had many roommates, you know what I'm saying? Yes. Whether that was comfortable or not comfortable, it was just a necessity, but that's not really who we were portraying. We were portraying a little group.

Like Candice was telling me at one point when she was writing the column before the book was published, she was living in a doorman building. Like that's how well she was doing. Obviously a different time, right? Like the different time. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It would be. There was no doorman anywhere. No, exactly. Me neither. But it was an upper echelon of- Sure, but that's what the show was. Right. I also feel like watching it, I was living vicariously through you guys, right?

Right, it was aspirational. Yes, it was very aspirational. And I mean, we were never trying to be regular. Like who runs around the city in those shoes? But I didn't want you guys to be regular. Right, right around the city in those shoes? Right, right, right. But I mean, I just think it's important to say that. Okay, yeah, yeah.

You know, like we weren't, I don't think we were making an effort to just be regular. No. Right, yeah, yeah. Just wanted to say that. Okay, so we're back. We're back now. So, so Carrie, that's her.

She's now going to investigate religion, which is super fascinating. This is why she goes to this cutest little corner to look at that cute, cute, cute church. Some of the churches in New York are so beautiful. I know, they are beautiful. So, so beautiful. And she's saying that everyone's very fashionable and she names some fashion designers, which is kind of funny.

I think she literally says Escada, which is so adorably 90s, right? 80s and 90s. And then she sees Mr. Big and his mom and she's shocked, obviously. And of course, Big's mother is so beautiful and statuesque and he's so kind of doting on her, which I also find really interesting. And I think that's attractive to Kerry, though. She doesn't say it, he's so kind of doting on her, which I also find really interesting.

And I think that's attractive to Kerry though, she doesn't say it though it is kind of, could it be its own episode, right? Of like, is that a good thing or a bad thing? You know what I mean? So she's all shocked and then they have the crazy, crazy conversation on the corner. And basically, Big comes over,

he puts his mom in the cab, he comes over and he says, I take my mom to church every Sunday. And she's like, oh, why didn't I know that? And he says, well, you write on Sundays. So I just, that's what I do. That's our Sunday thing. And she's like, well, I would love to go to church and we've never talked about it or whatever.

And he says something like, oh, that's just my thing I do with my mom. And he's kind of his evasive self. And she has all the feelings go across her face, as you said, yes. But I love that. I love that so much. Well, I love it as a viewer because it lets us know,

but as a girlfriend, that's why I'm like. For me, I love it because A, she's just so complex in a way, right? Because like, you can see the thoughts literally cross, like Jordan's saying, like literally, which is not easy to do as an actor, you know? Oh no, it's phenomenal.

Yeah. Her choice is phenomenal. Yeah. But because he's giving so little, I want her to give little. I get it. Well, she does back up. Do you remember in that scene?

She's kind of, you know, she's looking at him in that way that she does. Yeah, and then she kind of walks off and does a little. Oh, she totally, she's like, okay. Cause he's like, let's go get a cup of coffee. That's true. That's true. Right?

Yes, it's true. I think that's her realizing I've got to pull back. And that's the other thing that I think about their relationship, even from like maybe the first or second episode where they have all those run-ins but they don't go on a date. And then they're standing at the front and the back of a park to meet.

It's like all, they're kind of like cross signals. And then she sees him on the street and she leans over and does his crossword puzzle word. She tells him what it is. Oh, that's, I like that. And then she walks away. Like she does have some game, as you would say. She definitely has game. Right, but it is. Oh, that's, I like that. And then she walks away. But she does have some game, as you would say. She definitely has game.

Right, but it's- And I think she has more game with other people. Oh, 100%. Something is disarming for her about big. Right, but that's- That's life. Exactly, and also- But I'm her best friend, washing from my couch.

And you want to protect her. Yeah, I do. Absolutely, absolutely. I care about Carrie. No, I agree. Well, I'm just, my feeling is I'm mad at big. I'm mad at big. Oh And you want to protect her. Absolutely. Absolutely. I care about Carrie. Well, I'm just, my feeling is I'm mad at big. I'm mad at big.

Oh, I'm so mad at big. Always. Cause look at her face. Just give her what she wants. Yeah. Give her what she wants. Always. Oh my God.

I know. I know. And he definitely doesn't deserve her. And I'm so happy what happens in this episode, but we're not there yet. So let's keep going. So then they go to the, they go, oh, and I'm there. I'm at a bar with them, which is cool.

Yeah. And of course I say, a man who cares about his mother makes a wonderful husband. This is when I really start with the husband stuff, okay? Next season, oh my God, it's literally all I talk about for a very long time. And this is the seed of it, this episode. Ooh wee, I had some flashbacks of that. I mean, cause I don't personally share this for a very long time. And this is the seed of it, this episode. Woo wee!

I had some flashbacks of that. I mean, because I don't personally share this with Charlotte, right? So I had to do some acting, all right? Well, then you are fantastic because it's a big part of her. Thank you, I know. I had to do so many substitutions and things,

but also I grew up in the South surrounded by this. Yeah. You know, surrounded by this culturally, right? Oh, I fully believed you. Thank you. Thank you so much. Sometimes, not yet. It wasn't that hard this time,

but later on when I give those long speeches that would be like a whole page. I mean, just like, ba ba da ba da ba da ba da ba da ba da ba da ba da ba about getting married. Ooh, wow, I would dread those days. Oh, wow. I'd just be like, can I do it?

How am I gonna make it interesting? What am I gonna do? What am I gonna plug it? How am I going to make it interesting? What am I going to do? What am I going to plug in on that day that's going to make it work? But that's real for so many people. It is. I knew you were able to get that. I had to just go make it.

I think the thing that was hard for me was the didacticness, or however I should say that word of it, like the very laser focus of Charlotte, which I love that about her, that she was that way. And I love what happened, which was that it didn't look how she thought it would. It didn't pan out. Thank God, right? And she got the pie in the face in many different ways

and all of that, thank God. But anyway, it's hard to play a character like that. You know, you really have to focus on how to make it believable and grounded in some way. But anyway, we're not quite there yet. Now I'm just like, well, he'd make a great husband. And then I end up going to a psychic

to try to get someone to tell me that I will in fact get what I want, which no one does. But I love it. It's all good. So we're there. Oh, oh, and then- Have you ever been to a psychic? Oh yeah.

Oh, you have. Have you not? I haven't been to a tarot card. No, Have you ever been to a psychic? Oh yeah. Oh, you have. Have you not? I haven't been to a tarot card. No, I've never been to a psychic. Oh, I've never been to both. Really? Oh yeah. I don't know if I would wanna know.

They don't really tell you really. One time I went to the Apple store in Santa Monica. Have you ever been to that one? Yeah, of course. Oh my God. The Promenade. It's way busy, right? Yes, very busy.

And this is one of those days where I had an appointment, but I mean, it was wall to wall people pre-COVID. And like there was a girl there with a basket with a cat in it. Like it was so LA. I mean, like she brought her cat, Tafel, right? It was bizarre, not on a leash or anything, in a basket. So I'm like, wow, this is like a show.

So I'm sitting waiting for my appointment and there's this woman across from me and she's got some tarot cards out. She looks at me, I'm like, oh God. She goes, I'm gonna waiting for my appointment and there's this woman across from me and she's got some tarot cards out. She looks at me, I'm like, oh God. She goes, I'm gonna do your cards. And I'm like, okay. She doesn't, it was very positive. But I mean, what a random LA thing, right?

You're at the Apple Store waiting and I don't think she recognized me. I could be wrong, I don't know. She didn't say anything. But like, it was very, I remember it being like, I feel like, okay, okay, okay. It's good, it's good, we're okay. You know what I mean? Like it was a positive thing,

but the lady at the Apple store, I don't know, but that was positive. So whatever had happened between those probably 20 years, because one was in my twenties, one I was probably in my forties, maybe my fifties, I don't have no idea. But, you know, so I'm open to that stuff, but I wouldn't hang my hat on it. You don't even say-

No, no, no. The only time that that's happened to me, sort of in that way is I was going into Michael's, because I live in Michael's basically. I love it. I love it crafting. Oh yeah. And I was walking in and this girl stopped me

and she goes, hey, you're gonna find the one soon and you're gonna get married. And I was like, oh my God. And then my husband got out the car and I was like, I'm gonna find the one soon. I don't know if it's you, but I'm getting married. That's really excellent. That's really, really good.

I mean, that's really good. And it kept my husband on his toes. Good. You know what I'm saying? Because the one could have been somewhere else. Yeah, could have gone I mean, that's really good. And it kept my husband on his toes. Good. Because the one could have been someone else. Yeah, yeah, could have gone around the corner and there he was. And it's funny that you say that because there is a conversation in this episode

about the one. Carrie really desperately wants Big to tell her that she's the one. That's right. And this carries through for literally our entire show and movies. So what do you think of that? Well, it's funny because when I stopped the episode,

it flipped to a scene. You know how like an auto plays a scene from the future and it was him, maybe an engagement party to the new girl. And she says, can you tell me why it wasn't me? And I think she's asking too many questions. Oh. Because I think you know the answer. What is the answer?

I don't know the answer, but I think Carrie, no, but I think you know, maybe not why you aren't the one, but I think you can tell when someone's one foot in and one foot out, which is to me what big was for so long. I guess you're right. But then if you really want to talk about, was she the one? She is the one.

Whether he could be with that or not be with that would be, see, but this is why I did never think about him twice in the beginning. This is so hard for me because I'm such a fan of the show. So I feel like, yes, she ended up being his one. Yes. But I don't know if he's enough for anyone. Does that make sense? Absolutely.

You're saying that he shouldn't have been her one. Yes. But then really, can you control this? No, you can't. Right. Of course not. But then do you believe in the one is my question. I do.

You do. I think you can have the one more than once though. That's good. I think the one as a number is wrong. Got it, got it, got it, got it. But I feel like there is the one in these period of time. Yes. Got it. You have that in your period of time in your life.

There's the one and then there can be another one. Good. I definitely feel that. I feel like there's different people that bring different things to you, you know? And it might be about the time of your life, or it might be about what you need at that point, or it might be about what you're ready for at that point.

No, because people's partners can pass away and then they can find love again. So obviously that has to mean that there's more than one person. I just don't, I didn't want Big to be the one for Carrie. Is what I'm getting at. Got it, got it, got it. But you also weren't team Aiden.

I wasn't. I don't know if she's found the guy yet. Ooh, well that's good. That's good for our new season. Yeah, it is. Of just like that. Yeah. Yeah.

And the thing that I love about Carrie is that even though she definitely, at this point back in first season, she does have this need to be chosen by Big. Yes. And I think the reason that she seems to have the need to be chosen by Big, though I would love to hear Sir Jess' thoughts on this,

because I never, we never talked about any of this stuff. You know what I mean? Like, I mean, because also it's fictional, right? But you know, like you're just in it trying to do it. Yeah. But like, you know, there's an episode early on where Justin Theroux plays this writer who's kind of awful. All the men are kind of awful, right?

But like she just toys with them. She just like, they're like little kittens or whatever. She's like, oh, he's cute. Yeah, you know, she just flicks them away. Do you know what I mean? But big for whatever reason because he- It's her kryptonite. Yes, yes, definitely.

Yeah. Yes. So to me that is interesting. And I do feel like it does seem true in life that sometimes we chase what is unobtainable. And I think that's true for men and women, not just for women. I also think the great loves of all of the characters' lives are each other. Right? Like, isn't that sort of the story? I do think I mean, we have that great scene later on where I say,

couldn't we all just be each other's soulmates? And I do think that that's absolutely true. But I also feel it's also this thing that Michael Patrick talks about, which is your own relationship with yourself Like that you wouldn't need someone else to say I choose you Yes. Yes, I agree. Yeah, and that that's the ultimate Yeah, the ultimate relationship is your relationship with yourself. Yeah, which obviously this is the very very beginnings of our characters Yeah, right. And so we're not that evolved into it.

That evolution hasn't happened yet. But it's super interesting to watch her in this because so she, we're gonna rewatch more. Okay. It's fun to talk about the big topics, right? That's why I did the podcast. Talk about the big topics. Are other people like as polarized by big

and Carrie as I am? Yes. They are. Okay. So this. Oh yeah. So this is very common. We released this trailer and people were like, team Aiden and then other people were like, it better work out with Aiden.

And then other people were like, not more Aiden. And then other people were like, we're still mad at what you did to Big. I mean, people still have a lot of feelings. Yes. All right. So we are gonna make another podcast of Camilla and I recapping,

Oh Come All Ye Faithful, the season one finale. So check back in later this week. Bye everybody.