Are You A Charlotte? - The BIG Finale of Season 1 with Camilla Luddington... (S1 E12 "Oh Come All Ye Faithful")

Episode Date: April 28, 2025

It's the finale of season 1 and there is a BIG breakup! Grey's Anatomy star, Camilla Luddington, joins Kristin for multiple episodes to break down the breakup! Camilla and Kristin have a connection on something they share and it's all about SEX in the city. Was Carrie going to the church a huge misstep? Should Samantha have overlooked the "small" issues? And can Charlotte really trust a psychic?Plus, is Camilla a Charlotte? And are you??See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Today we are discussing the finale of season one, which I can't even believe that we're finally here to the finale of season one. It's crazy. It's been such a ride already. So this is episode 112. It is called Okamal-ye Faithful. And I have the incredible Kamila Luddington is here with us. Very excited. I've already met Kamila here in this very room. She also has an iHeart podcast called, Call It What It Is, which I've listened and I've been loving. Okay. I'm learning so much with her friend, Jessica Capshaw, who also was here, who was lovely.

And they're both on Grades Anatomy or were I'm not up on it. She's now on 9-1-1 Nashville. She just announced yesterday. She's the female lead of that show. Amazing. Good for her. They're so nice, you guys. And they have a really fun podcast and also they're on Grey's Anatomy.

And that's incredible. And you have been a long time, which also kills me because you're like such a baby. Oh my God. I love that you say that, but no. Really? Yes. Come on.

Thank you. I mean, look at your resume and all the things you've done. And I would never think that you would look like such a baby, but you've had quite the career, but you started at five or something crazy. I did. I started theater at five. I knew I wanted to be an actress really young. Nobody else in my family had ever done it before.

My mom thought I would become like a stage brat is how she put it back then. Oh no. Yeah. She was like, absolutely not. You know? And so I just started in theater. And then I went to school in, I have a cute story, actually, for you.

Tell me. OK, so I did theater in England. And then I decided that I didn't know how to, what the medium for acting in film was like. It's so different, my mistake. Sure, so different. So I went to the New York Film Academy. Wow.

And I studied there when I was 19. And one day, I'd never seen a TV show film before. I was out on the street in New York and Sex and the City was filming on the street. Oh my gosh. And I just stood there stalking you guys. Amazing. You were doing a walk and talk with Jessica,

with Sarah Jessica. And I just was like one day. So it's like a very weird moment. What year would that have been? This would have been 2003. Oh, how great. So kind of like that would have been season five. Was she pregnant?

Did she look pregnant? She did not look pregnant. Okay, interesting. And it was just me and her or all of us? No, it was you, you guys. Well, have fun. I know. How amazing.

Yeah. Did we seem like we were having fun or did we seem stressed? It seemed so, no. Oh, good, good, good, good. Not stressed at all. And I remember thinking about that energy because it just looked easy breezy to you guys.

I mean, of course it was. It was season five, but I remember thinking like in the middle of New York City. Yeah. You guys are able to tune it all out too and have this moment and fans are watching you. And I was like, yeah. That's really cool.

Yeah. It is really cool. It's still really cool when we film. But the thing that's so different is back then, and by season five, I'm not sure how much this would be true, but when we started, it was almost like guerrilla TV making. Like it wasn't like, I had been on Melrose Place here and it had been this huge like spelling production, right?

But when we went there, we often had handheld, we were shooting on Super 16, which is like totally different. And now we have cranes, we have so much stuff because our production value is here and it used to be here, but I love how we used to be. Like it was special and grainy and very New York looking, but we could also film really quickly

because we had to do pages and pages a day, but we had like 17 hour days was normal. One time we had a 24 hour day. What? Yeah, we just filmed around the clock like it was so great. Wait, I have a question. As an actor, why did that end up happening?

Why and how? Yeah, why and how? We still ask ourselves this, Camilla, okay? Because we still have really long hours, not as bad, and now they make us go at 4.30, whereas we used to film until 4.30, or whenever the sun came up, 7.30, we would just film until the sun came up

because we would be outside exterior night, right? That was the Sex and the City show itself. And now we're more outside exterior day because of the plot lines, right? So they make us get up in the wee hours and get there, but we still sometimes like, why are we like this? And we really don't know the answer. Except to say that our kind of modus operandi is overly ambitious. I love that. Thank you. I love it. I mean it's great in some ways and then hard in others but like yeah you think it's the reason for our success and for our continued success. Is that we're always kind of overshooting what we actually have been allowed to do.

What you're saying. Like we're just like, we're gonna do it all. We're gonna try to do it all. And do we always succeed? No, we don't. Sometimes we fail. When you swing big, sometimes you don't get there. But it's okay.

I would prefer that. Are you guys allowed to improvise on the set? No. Oh, interesting. No, like that. Are you guys allowed to improvise on the set? No. Oh, interesting. No, like twice maybe we've been allowed to improvise in the beginning. Like there's a scene in the first or second episode when we're talking about our perceived faults

and they let us, they left it open in the script because they didn't want to say what they thought we might think our own faults were. Oh, wow. That's really, now I have to go back and watch that. So did they keep the answers that you gave organically to say what they thought we might think our own faults were. Isn't that sweet? Oh, wow. That's really, now I have to go back and watch that. So did they keep the answers that you gave organically improvising?

Wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I talk about my thighs. Oh no! Oh yeah. Charlotte, no! Oh yeah, definitely, yeah. That was the bait of my existence for quite some time,

which is so silly, but this is, people were very hard on me, very, very hard on me. That's so funny, because I watched the finale episode last night. I loved it, actually. I loved that that was my homework for the podcast, because it felt like I said my kids were supposed to be going to bed,

and I was like, mommy, mommy's gotta watch this show. And it felt like, I was like, listen, you guys, I would love to be giving you a bath right now, but I've got to watch this. I love it. And I was like, yes, I was literally in bed, like blanket to here. That's how I watch it too.

But you are gorgeous and you look so, I mean, everyone would say fetus, baby. Beyond, it's so crazy to me. And then I had to look up how old all you guys were. Cause I'm like, when did you start? You're like early thirties. I mean, I think I was so crazy to me. And then I had to look up how old all you guys were. Cause I'm like, when did you start? You're like early thirties. I mean, I think I was, I was either 32 or 33. I'm the worst.

Like, like people are like, what year was that? I don't know what year it was. Like, also once we started, it's a blur, but I know we were all over 30. Kim, a little older than us, which you know, I think is a known fact. Kim's was 40. It said 40 to the internet.

It's a 42, which is only a year older than me. Right, oh my God. And I was like, wow, oh my God, I would, that's the role I would play. Really, you're a Samantha? No, I'm not, I'm not a Samantha. And by the way, no, I'm just saying age-wise, I would be like the one for all the, you know,

the little, this is kind of like on our show, we have the interns and then we have the older. Oh, right, right, right, right. So it's like me out with the interns a little bit. No, I thought about this because of your podcast title, Who I Am. You did, that was great. And I've decided it changes through the years. Yes, yes.

Right now, probably more of a Charlotte. Yeah, because you're in like married kid life. I'm in the married life. I'm in like the mommy mode and trying to make it all work. Right. But then I think I would have thought I was a Carrie. And then I watched the episode last night, not that. This is going to sound really weird

because the episode last night, which we'll get into, I have not had the Miranda experience in that episode. Neither have I. No, but I did think like maybe I was a Miranda. Ooh, are you? Well, cause your podcast is called Call it What It Is, which is kind of a Miranda kind of a thing. She's really blunt.

She's about her career. And I think that, and the dating sort of like is in there, but not necessarily the focus for her. That's true, yeah, absolutely. And so I think like before I was with Charlotte, I probably was more Miranda. Love it. I love it.

I love Miranda so much. And I think there was kind of a thing for a while that, I mean, there was a thing for a while about Charlotte being the prude, which is hysterical when you actually look at all the things that Charlotte does early on. It's not that prudish. But there was also a thing where Miranda was thought to be like too uptight or, you know,

like a hard ass or whatever. I don't know how to put it. And then there became a thing where everyone was like, we're all Miranda's, you know, they're, you know, Miranda's wonderful, which I think is true, right? But it is interesting culturally to look at what has been kind of the in thing to be. And then I think everyone thought they were a Carrie and then there was like this thing of like Carrie's narcissistic, which I find really weird.

And we're gonna deal with that when we have Sergejska on. But I mean, I don't personally find that to be true at all. I think that because we're hearing her voiceover and her- We're just let in a little bit more, right? Exactly. And who, she's a searcher. She's searching, actively searching and investigating, right? her voiceover and her... We're just let in a little bit more. Yes, exactly. Yes. She's a searcher. She's searching, actively searching and investigating, right?

So like, she's searching for herself, but she's also, you know, investigating. I recently had Candace on who was, you know, wrote the original column. Uh-huh. And she still is up there with the facts. Like, this many women are single now, this percentage of, you know, women over 40 are single. That like, I was like, oh, you're still at it. Like, it's amazing. But now. This percentage of women over 40 are single. I was like, oh, you're still at it. It's amazing.

But that's just really who she is, and she's still actively writing. But she's like a journalist anthropologist in a way of what are the trends, what are the social trends. And so Carrie's that, but she's also on this quest for love, and really kind of for her own, I think, where we get to, though we're not really there at the end of season one,

though she does end the show with an amazing quote, which we'll get to. But it's about, Michael Patrick would always say that it was really about all of our characters search for completely loving themselves, loving and accepting themselves. I agree! Yeah!

Which is, I mean, such a great universal, incredible message. But when we began, we didn't know that, you know, we were just like, oh my god, we're on this crazy show, and we get to stomp around New York, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. Which is so true. Yo K-Pop fans, it's your boy BOMHAN and I'm bringing you something epic. Introducing the K-Factor, the podcast that takes you straight into the heart of K-Pop. We're talking music reviews, exclusive interviews, and deep dives into the industry like never

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Exactly. It was very simple, but like it was sex in steady cam, maybe like this, you know? I guess you guys are, it was very simple, but like it was sex in the city. And I was in New York City wanting to be an actress. I mean, it was like a moment. Amazing, amazing, amazing. So you were on California Cation with Evan Handler, who plays Harry, my husband, who I love very much. But can I just tell you, I couldn't watch that show

because I tried once and I literally had nightmares about it. So I never saw it. There are part, no, there are part, listen, it's definitely polarizing. It's not everyone's cup of tea. Well also, cause it was Evan and then I know David. So it was like totally whammy man.

Yeah, I was like, this is not good for my mental health. I can't watch it. But you were on it with Evan. I was on it with Evan. And when I got the role, I knew that I was gonna be sort of clearly naked. So naked, like ass out, boobs out naked with somebody. And it's so funny, cause I think about this now,

now on Grey's Anatomy, I'm like, can I have a onesie? If I do a sexy and I'm like zip up to my neck. Back then I was like, this is great, whatever. You know, like not stressed about it. Not stressed about it. I really wasn't. I really wasn't. No, I mean, I mean it was fleeting, clearly.

I mean, like that moment's gone. But. But amazing that you had it. Yes, yes. Amazing that I had it. And Evan, they said you're gonna be with Evan. And I remember thinking, Charlotte's husband. And I was like so comforted by like,

oh, I know Evan, I didn't know Evan at all. And he is pretty different. He is different, but I have to say that, you know, you never know in our industry what you're gonna get. Especially when you're in a position on a show like that. And it's, you know, it's the things we had to do were insane.

I mean, we had to like crawl naked and hide. Not just sex scenes, but like just crazy shit because that's what the show is. And he was such an amazing co-star. He was such a gentleman. Oh good. He's a gentleman. Yeah, and it's like we would shoot a sex scene

and then we would go back within our little, and sit there and he'd be like, so my wife and kids. And that's why I like it. I just, and it made me feel so comfortable. Definitely, definitely, definitely. Yeah, yeah, so I'm so grateful on a show like that. He's a mensch. He's a lover.

You know, he's a mensch, yeah, yeah, yeah. He is, he is. And that's, so yeah, we have a lover in common. Wow, wow. I know, I know, we do, we have a lover in common. Wow, wow. I know, I know, we do. We have a lover in common, you guys. And I have to say, to Evan's credit, there aren't that many stories about Evan

because he is just very solid. You know what I mean? Yeah, thank God. Yes, yes, thank God. Still to this day, you know, we still have to occasionally do a wacky sex scene. We did have a wacky sex scene last season where I,

sometimes you read something and you're like, oh, this is not, this is fine. The sheets will be honest, whatever. We get to work and there's some ideas from the director and there's a platform built where Evan has to basically be in a yoga pose over me on a platform. Oh my god, that's amazing. And I'm just like looking at him.

Wait, can I ask what pose it was? It was like down dog. I'm not going to say more. Okay. I'm not going to say more. Okay. I don't want to get in trouble again. Okay, no, no, this is great.

This is great. But it was funny and God love Evan. You know what I'm saying? Very calm,, no, no, this is great. This is great. But it was funny and God love Evan. You know what I'm saying? Very calm, you know, very caretaking. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was my experience too. Everyone was, obviously. I did take some funny pictures because I had to lay there

while they were kind of building the platform so that I could underneath the platform. So I did take some funny pictures but I think I forgot to post them. It was like, I can post this just to show people like how insane that happens. just to show people like, how insane that happens when people are always like, did you get turned on?

You're like, no, no, no. Anyway, fun to talk about, sexy is another actor. I love it. Okay, let's talk about the episode. Now let me ask you, so you did, did you watch like at the time that it was airing or what's your relationship? Oh, I would have absolutely watched the time it was airing. Got it, got it.

Okay, from the beginning. The show from the beginning? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh my God. Are you crazy? I don't know, okay. I mean, yes, I was alive in that time, which means I was watching the show every week

as the whole world was. I guess so, I mean, I know it doesn't feel like that because you're part of it and maybe it like feels like you're in the bubble, which I can feel like with Grey's Nanu. Right. Yes, I was. Yes. Okay. Well, so because HBO, especially first season,

was kind of new to having original programming and it was like a slow, for us, it felt like a slow build. Yeah. Okay. But I do think that people who were either in New York or LA and were in the business, definitely, like I remember I went to see the premiere of Out of Sight because Clooney was in it, Jennifer Lopez was in it. It's a great movie if you haven't seen it, great movie.

And I believe Soderbergh directed it. It's really good. And I knew Clooney a little bit because I had guest starred on ER, which was an amazing situation to be around their first season and watch them and how they operated and they do 36 takes. You know, it was like so cool. What? Yeah 36 take you remember those one long takes through

the hospital? Yes. They do 36 of those. Wow. And everyone would just cross in and like the walk and talk. Yes. Okay got it. You have to wait on the side and like come in. I mean I was down a handful but I mean they're you know four takes we got to move on. Totally. No it was it was it was special and weird and amazing. You know what I'm saying? Like it was definitely, they were shooting high also. Like it was a different situation. So it was fun to be around.

And I was there and I was like, oh yeah, I wanna see this movie. And George comes running up to me and he says, congratulations. And I said, for what? Like I had no idea what he was talking about. He was like, the show's amazing. I was like, George Clooney's watching our show,

like amazing. I was surprised. I ask you then when you felt like you realized the impact the show was making, like what season was that? It took quite a while. I would say third, probably third season. Really?

Yeah. I think for us, because partly you're in the bubble, right, and we filmed the whole first season without anything airing, which is really common now with streaming, but back then, not so much, right? Right, right, right. Like if you were on a network show, you wanted to be on and get the ratings

and look at the demographics and ship things or change things or whatever. Ours, we shot the whole thing, nothing had aired, no one knew what we were doing. Like costume was having a hard time getting clothes because people thought that we were real sex, which is a weird joke. And this is where Trisha Fields was, dear.

Pat Field, yeah. Pat Field, but she didn't do the pilot. She came on the first season with Molly, who's still doing our costumes. So 90s, which is in now. I know what 90s is back in. So it's like you're like- I know, it's hysterical. I know, it's really funny to me though,

cause anyway, side note, I wouldn't go back there, but that's okay. So third season, second season, I feel like we were just like, thank God we got picked up. You know what I'm saying? Like, thank God we did okay. Like, cause we expected to be kind of a niche little, like a little cult following or whatever, right?

Oh wow. No, I know. Then third season, we shot a lot of episodes. Every year would be different amount of episodes because again, it was HBO. They could do whatever they wanted. And in the middle of third season, we got nominated for an Emmy,

which we never, ever, ever thought would happen ever. Might have been towards the end of the season. I remember it was, I don't know when they come out, but like the Emmys were in September or whatever. And like my phone rang really early and I was so mad. Like I'm trying to sleep people cause we would work all night. I was like, who is calling me?

It was my mom calling me to tell me we got nominated for an Emmy. And I was like, ah! Like it was like the world stopped. You know what I mean? It was like, what? Like it was unheard of. Like no cable show had ever won an Emmy, which we eventually did. But I mean, It was like, what? Like it was unheard of. Like no cable show had ever won an Emmy,

which we eventually did. But I mean, it was shocking because this was the same time the Sopranos was coming up. And you know, it was like, we were part of a wave, which was exciting. You were pioneering it. Which was great.

It's amazing. We certainly didn't, we weren't really aware or even aiming for that. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, of course. You're just in it, trying to do the best you can do. Yeah. Yeah. And then it was like, wow, people are watching. Anyway, it was great. It was great. And so weird to think of it being so long ago. You know, it's strange. It's like another lifetime in a way, but

then also not like all the feelings come back. Except sometimes when I'm watching it, I'm like, I do not remember that. I still have, I had that myself, like from our show. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I'm like, I've known. Cause you've been on there like nine years. 13. 13, what?

Oh my God, that's amazing. And so rare in our business. Super rare. Right? I mean, like Grey's is a unicorn. It's like, it's amazing. It's a machine that just, yeah. It rhymes itself.

It's really special. It's really special. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's really special. It's really special. Did you ever think in your own mind, and then I will get to the show, but I'm just curious. Yo K-Pop fans, it's your boy, Bom Han, and I'm bringing you something epic. Introducing the K-Factor, the podcast that takes you straight into the

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Like, did that ever enter your mind? No, I just wanted to pay my rent. Yeah, I was waitressing for so long that I just wanted to be like the dream, the dream changed over time, right? You just want to work and then you want to be able to quit your second job and work. And then it's like it's slowly, I tell you what happened for Grey's, we hit Netflix somewhere around like, I forget which season. And then it just, it just got crazy. I feel like it just, the show just took on a new second life.

Wow, interesting. And so that's when I thought like, oh, we don't have a few seasons left because we're almost in our 10th, 11th season. This could go for a while. And now, here we are about to shoot 22. Unbelievable. I know.

Yeah. That is so amazing. I remember when Grace came out and it was like, what is this? This is interesting. It's a medical show, but it's also kind of a relationship show. Yeah.

And there were those high heels. And I was like, what's that? Yeah. That's super interesting. It's an amalgam relationship show. Yeah. And there were those high heels. And I was like, what's that? Yeah. That's super interesting. It's an amalgam of things. Yeah. But it's been so great because there's been so many strong female characters.

Oh yeah. It's incredible. Oh yeah. And also like, I'm just so impressed, I have to say by our guest cast every single week, we just get incredible people on every week that keep me on my toes as an actor. It's well written.

I think that's why, right? Because sometimes guest stars are not interestingly written. No offense to anyone, but you know what I'm saying, you guys are amazing. We really give a lot of guest stars a lot of heart so that you're so invested by them, in them by like 20 minutes in, you're like, now I really care about this person

and their family and their medical condition. And so yeah, it's really special. I get a lot of and their medical condition. And so, yeah, it's really special. I get a lot of anxiety watching medical shows. Well, I have a lot of medical anxiety. Me too. I don't know how you handle it. I actually talked to my therapist about this this week because I was like, it's probably in a way the worst show I could have gotten on

because I know everything that you could possibly get. Oh no. Every disaster. Oh no. But God bless Zoloft. I talk about this all the time. I'm a Zoloft girlie and it helps my anxiety. Whatever works.

I tried to watch The Pit and I was like, I can't watch The Pit. Can't watch that. I mean, God bless him. I know that feels, I have enough of it on our show. I bet. And I love our show, but I don't need to go home and then watch more Medical Emergencies. I mean, no, and like I already wasn't, but it on our show. I bet. And I love our show, but I don't need to go home and then watch more medical emergencies.

I mean, no, and like I already wasn't, but it's on Mac. So I felt like I should, I love No Wiley, do you know what I mean? And so I was like, let's see. I was like, yeah, no, no. No, no, no. Also, I can only watch in that tiny window since the kids have gone to bed, right?

So it's right before my bed. It's only a tiny window for me. And I can't have that be, no no no I agree it's not good This is why I love reality TV this is why I watch the Housewives. I mean people people tell me this I have never seen the Housewives which Andy gives me a terrible time I know I have never seen the Housewives. I feel like Sex and the City sort of inspired a show like that too. That is sweet that is sweet we know Andy Cohen really well and so I guess on some level we could take credit for it but I don't know know, I think it was really just the magic of Andy, you know what I mean? Like Andy's super smart.

I don't know, there's a little like of that. Is there? Yes, because a lot of these housewives end up single. And so then you're watching their dating lives and their fashion and all the things in there. I never thought about that. That's interesting. See, that's weird.

Like how did you just get divorced during the show? I mean, they're following people for like sometimes, like, you know, so many people. So things happen. Yeah, so they're exposing their lives and life is tough, right? And so you see people, like some people get married and engage and then they're divorced and yes.

Wow. I do think the sex industry has a little, has its hands in there. Let's ask Andy. You gotta ask Andy. Next time we see him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We ran into Andy. You gotta ask Andy. Next time we see him. Andy, report back. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We ran into Andy. We were in a restaurant filming one of our many, they're the thing that I like. And then we're gonna re-watch. We're gonna get to the re-watch. Okay, we're gonna get to the re-watch. When I'm watching back, one of the things that I love to see

is that we have these kind of go-to moments. I'm sure you probably feel this on Grey's too, where like we kind of do it over and over again through the years and I love to see it. One is Carrie and Miranda walking talking because those are always really deep conversations if it's Carrie and Miranda. Like they are very much, I wasn't aware of this back then and I really wasn't aware of it till I started re-watching.

It's a very interesting relationship that they have unlike the rest of us. Oh, interesting. Because Miranda kind of calls Kerry on her stuff, and she also is a little bit pessimistic, rough or whatever, so Kerry will be like, maybe, and she'll be like, maybe, blah, blah, blah, blah, just cut it right out from under her,

do you know what I mean? Which is really interesting, and I feel like she's the only one. I mean, Samantha, in some ways, well, she just has her general, you kind of know what her take is gonna be. Her take is gonna be like, do what you want, Arnie. You know, in that way.

But like Miranda really, Carrie kind of, you know, gives her her biggest worries or her deepest thoughts or whatever. And Miranda's like, rah rah rah rah rah. It's super interesting. But they also really love each other, obviously. And the other one is that we do have this thing, we did it early on, maybe the first episode after the pilot,

where we meet up at the end of the episode, somewhere like at a restaurant or at a movie theater, it was at the movie theater first season, and we all hug and then we go in. And this is something we've done over the years, like at the end of the first movie, is for Samantha's birthday. That was ended up being the poster of the film.

It was not supposed to be the poster of the film, but we're walking in the meatpacking district and it was the wee hours, like possibly 4 a.m. And it had rained and then also we went down the street, how they do, you know, and filmed, make it look beautiful. And there was a puddle and Sarah Jessica's wearing her Dior

warrior shoes. They have a better name. Gladiators. Oh, gladiator shoes. Thank you very much. Yes. And there's cobblestone. And I had to hold Sarah's elbow because I'm wearing like a vintage pair of, I want to say Marc Jacobs, Miu Miu, something that had a decent heel, because Sarah was, you know, falling in the cobblestones and it was wet. We had to jump over this puddle. So I'm holding Sarah Jessica's elbow to jump over the puddle. I wake up the next morning, could not walk, could not get out of bed.

Like one whole side of me was just like in a total spasm, do you know what I mean? So whenever I see that poster, I laugh. I'm like, well, at least it was worth it. It's the poster for the film. It's the one cheat, right? I'm laughing at the story a little bit because you're like, the glad and the vintage margin. And I'm thinking about how we get to change out our sneakers

on the show probably every two years, right? And they're like, here are some Adidas. And I get so excited. I'm like, oh my God, Adidas? Like so excited. But I bet your oh my God, Adidas? Like so excited. But I bet your feet are doing a lot better than ours. Yes, but I don't know if it's worth it. I don't know.

Every morning when I wake up, my right foot is numb. I would take, would I take numb for vintage Marc Jacobs? I might. Okay, fair enough, fair enough, fair enough. That's true. I just sometimes feel guilty. I feel guilty, that's true. And I mean, look, they enough, fair enough, fair enough. Do you know what I mean? Like, that's true. I just sometimes feel guilty. For the memories. I feel guilty, that's true. And I mean, look, they're amazing.

They're amazing shoes. We get amazing shoes. But people are always like, how do you do it? I'm like, pain, okay, pain. No, pain, like pain. That's so exciting. And neuropathy, you know what I mean? Yes, it is exciting.

I mean, we're spoiled rotten. Yes. No doubt, no doubt. But anyway, we meet up in that scene at the after jumping over the puddle in the middle of the night. We meet up and they pull away with the crane and we're together celebrating and we just did it again.

And then just like that. And Andy and John Benjamin Hickey, who's in this episode, happened to be walking by with pizza. I'm not making this up. In the village and we were like, guys! And they came in and the proper aunts who up in the village. And we were like, guys! And they came in and the proper aunts were there and took pictures. And we were like, why don't they be in the scene? They're like, we got to go home and eat the pizza. They're over

us now. They're so over us. You know what I mean? Okay. But Hickey's so good. This is like, we love John Benjamin Hickey who plays the Catholic guy who Miranda dates. Oh, is that who? That's John Benjamin Hickey. And he's married to Andy Cohen? No. Oh, no, no, no. Andy's single, right? Andy's single. He's gonna laugh so hard when he hears this. I don't know, but you said that they were walking together. They're good friends. Very close friends. They're not married. OK, OK. Very close friends.

You are adorable. Very close friends. Andy's not married. He is also a single parent of two. Yes. Yes. So we. He is also a single parent of two. Yes. So we always have a bonding, a good bonding experience. Okay, we have so much to say about the finale of the first season that we're gonna make this into another episode

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