Are You A Charlotte? - The biggest red flag about Trey is revealed... (S4 E5 "Ghost Town")

Episode Date: April 16, 2026

Tracie Thoms returns to discuss the triangle that is Bunny, Trey and Charlotte.  Plus, what she loves about Steve and Miranda and the  questionable set decor in this episode.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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My highest order bit is to not destroy the world with AI. Listen to Mostly Human on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Hi, I'm Kristen Davis, and I want to know, are you a Charlotte? Welcome back, everybody, to Are You a Charlotte? Part two, we have Tracy Tom's with us today. We are going to talk episode five of season four called Ghost Town. Do you remember when Carrie takes the plant to scout the new bar

that Steve and Aden have invested in together? So she gets, Miranda invites her, oh, she gets an invitation and she thinks that Aiden must have invited her and so she's trying to get her mind around that she can go, but then she's so torn about it. I'm not going on. Right. And then she takes the plant

to give well wishes to Steve and she sees him and he's his regular kind of like bubbly, you know, innocent self. and she's so adorable. I know he's so adorable, really adorable, but he seems so incredibly young. I'm like somewhat taken aback every time I see him in these older episodes, like he seems like he's 25 years old.

I know. It's interesting. But it's his energy, you know, because he's not younger than us, I don't think. I'm not sure. I was surprised. Actually, he came to do an episode of Cold Case when I was on Cold Case. Oh, he did? Uh-huh.

And I was surprised at how, like, more maturity. he was? Yeah. Because I was used to him his energy on the show. Being like, you know, whatever. I do know what you mean. You know, and when he came, I was like, oh, you're a grown up. A grownup. 100%. 100. Okay. And I feel like

the Steve in and just like that is more like a grown up too, right? Obviously, because it's many years later. He's been through some things. But it is still surprising to see the young Steve. Yeah. He's like a bubbly So young. Yeah. And Miranda's so much the adult, right? That it's interesting. But that's partly what

works about them. But when Carrie goes to take the plant, I love how they filmed it because they kind of film it spooky, right? Like the light is on the street, but it's dark in the bar. And the bar is a lot like dark wood and very masculine. It just comes out the back. Yeah. Yeah, it's very cool. And then you hear Aidan's voice and she runs. It's really good. It's really, really good. But then the best part, and we're jumping around, but it's okay. The best part is when, so then she does go and Samantha comes to the bar opening, even though she thinks, So Steve basically says to her like, oh, Aiden didn't invite you. I invited you.

So then Carrie's all in her head. Like, he didn't invite me. Right, right, right. But then she ends up going because I think she just so really wants to see him, has built it up. The curiosity would never let her not go. Like, they're all going to go and she's not going to go. No, that's not going to happen. She just has to work herself.

Right. But then she sees him across the room and of course he looks fantastic. I mean, he's beautiful. And he nods at her in this very aloof way. He's now the aloof one. It's interesting. That nod was like, she's like, that's it.

That's all I get. I know. God. It's like, what do you want him to do? I know, but that was so good. It was so perfect. She needs that, I think. And he was so good at being like, of course it's here.

Right. Like, of course. I know. You're here, of course. And they go out there and have that cake scene. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. It was good. It was so good.

So sparkly. So sparkly. I know. But also, she's uncomfortable. and it's nice to see her be uncomfortable because when you think about it, Carrie is not uncomfortable that often. She's usually kind of somewhat in charge

or trying to be in charge. But with Big, she's trying to, like, what if I do this or what if I do that? Or what if I show up at the door in this outfit? Or what if I show up at the door at that outfit? Or she's doing all her different carry things. But with Aiden, she's kind of thrown off her game, which is good.

Right, because Aiden is so... He's so good. You know what I'm such a... And I love the complexity of it. I love that it's not a show. We're just like, oh, yeah, she'll end up with Big. Oh, no, you don't know. No, you don't know.

I mean, when you see she and Corbett together, you're like, she should end up with Aden. Yeah. And then back when Big comes back, you're like, she should end up with Big. Because they're all just so good. They're all so good. And the writing is great.

And you don't know. Like, you don't know. You don't know. But also, isn't that how life is? Yeah. You don't know who you're supposed to end up with. I don't think. No.

I mean, you might think you know, but I don't know if you know. No, you think it's going to be you and a certain person on the porch with rocking chairs. Who's going to be in this rocking chair with me? Who knows? Who knows? Speaking of which, let's talk about Charlotte for a second. I mean, man, she's in the bed store with the mom and Trey. And he's just so, he's so innocent in it all.

I know, but it's, it's like. Like, whenever hear a man, a grown man, refer to his mother as mother. Well, mother says this, but a mother, run. Sorry. No. No, it's a problem. No. I agree.

Mother. I also feel like if there's a man, like, let's say over 35, and he talks about his mother a lot and or complains about his mother, that's not good. Yeah. If you need to be worked out, you need to have it worked out. You need to have it worked out. and I also have a tendency to date mama's voice. You know what's the alternative? Date somebody who doesn't like his mother.

Right. No, that's not good. That's not good. No. So it's always been, there's that negotiation. For sure. You're like, okay, well, here's the mom. And the mom's like, this is my son, my prize possession.

See, I have a son. How do you navigate all this? I don't know. Are you worthy? Right. You know what I mean? But don't you feel that way towards the girls and they're, people as well?

There's something about a mom and a son. Really? Okay. It's something about a mom and a son and especially a black mom and a black son. Okay, okay. Our family units are like... Got it. I always pass, by the way. Well, good.

Of course you do. Of course you do. Always pass, but there is a moment of like... You are not sure. You have to really like... Well, the first time the mom comes to your house and you're like cleaning like a crazy bird. It's terrifying. I can't have any dust anywhere.

Got it. And that is not my ministry. I'm not like super neat at all. I'm a messy piles of things. Got it. Got it. I get it. I am too.

Maybe it's the ADD or something. I don't know. Listen, I only have people on who have ADD. Oh, apparently. Yeah. I'm in the right place. Totally.

Totally. Well, this is what brings me up also thinking about the tray bunny Charlotte triumvirate, right? You know, it's interesting. interesting in this episode because you can tell like in the beginning Charlotte was trying to please Bunny right? Absolutely that's what you do. Yeah, but now Bunny's like obviously shown her cards that she's not really team Charlotte. You know what I'm saying? She's like you're not good enough basically.

Exactly. You know, and she's weird. So now Charlotte's kind of like, you know, oh God. And trying to shop with them but she doesn't want this hard bed like Bunny's trying to get her to get another hard bed. I know. Bunny wants her to get a dust girl at the dust ruffle. Right. And she says like that it's un-presentable or some shit, right?

and Charlotte's like, you know, and it's so interesting all the little details, but it makes perfect sense because like the whole detail thing and the detail of the picture that has been important to Charlotte, but this is what she's finding out is not actually important. Right. Which is good. Yeah.

Right. The duck. Yeah, definitely. The duck. My God. The duck. Can you imagine having to live with ducks? Mowards?

Boo. Boo. And then he's like, well, mom, mom put a lot of time and energy into this. Yeah, mother does all of our houses. What? Right. I know it's like the weird part of Trey, you know, too. Yeah, it's weird. I was looking at him like... I know. It's not a good look. It's not. No, it's not a good look at all.

He's like, are you a grown man? Right. Right. It's not sexy. It's not a sexy thing. At all. No, I agree totally. But the thing that's hard for me, and of course I have multitudes of layers of this because, you know, I was there or whatever, but, you know, when he gets sick and she comes over and he just looks up at her at Bunny and he's just, so adorable and innocent. How can you not love him? Yeah, I get it. Yeah.

And he's adorable. He is. But that was not cute. No, but then like we're all rubbing, I know. Rubbing that stuff on his chest. And when he goes, no, on his stomach,

it was to break up the mucus. No, move. I was like, oh, God. And also, I can just tell us that Kyle is about to laugh. Like, he's trying to lay there asleep. Because it is ridiculous. You guys are rubbing him.

We're just like, fictically rubbing him. Like, rubbing. This is my job. I'm the woman. This is my job. It's kind of crazy. Get out of your bunny. And then there is the weird part at the end. We're just going to cut to the end because like then

we're having sex and I'm on top of him and she barges in and we're just like, hello. With some muffins or something? Yes, she's got the muffins. But then her exit, like when she's all flustered, it's so adorable. She's so good. She really is. I love her

every time. Me too. Me too. Me too. Me too. Oh, like her in the mist. Oh my God. The movie The Mist. I've seen that.

No. That's all I'm going to say. The Mist. Okay, you guys, we have to go look at Franny Sternhanging and the Mist. It's a Stephen King novel. No. Okay. No, she's not.

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Kids, teenagers, I think they won't need a lot of guardrails around AI. This is such a powerful and such a new thing. From addiction to acceleration. The world we live in is a competitive world, and I don't think that's going to stop, even if you did a lot of redistribution. We have a deep desire to excel and be competitive and gain status and be useful to others.

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It's hilarious, though. It is. Maria's just still like, what are you doing? Right. Like, who do you think your woman is? I mean, the way they got together at the art show, Maria's art show. Oh, right. It was pretty quick.

I don't think she really knew. Yeah. You know, I don't think she did her research. Right. You know? But it seems like it would be obvious. I know. It totally seems obvious.

But Maria is not down. Samantha does not seem like a settle down. No. But it is interesting that she wants to try. Right. But I feel bad for Maria. I'm like, no, she does not really want to try. No, she doesn't really want to try, and she thought she was probably trying to be a good person.

I mean, I don't know. I mean, Samantha's always unapologetic about her stuff, but maybe like any human being, everyone down, they're like, okay, enough now. I've done. Maybe. I've been now here. Well, let's try something different, right? Let's try this. Right, totally.

Definitely. Maybe as I get older, this will be nice. Right. To have some stability. But she does not want to be sitting in that bathtub. Nope. That bathtub's seen lasted a long time. It was so uncomfortable.

comfortable. Wasn't it? And Maria's just trying, but then Maria's kind of mad. Yeah. And then Samantha's kind of mad. And Samantha's like, I'm clean. And gets out. Like, oh, Lord.

And jumps out of the thing. Yes. I don't want to talk anymore. Talk, dog. More talking. Yeah, she's not, she does not want to be in a lesbian thing. No. Because I do think that the lesbians enjoy talking.

And sometimes it seems like that would be great. Yeah. But then maybe not. Maybe not. Maybe not. I guess it depends. Not if you're Samantha, for sure. For sure, for sure.

All right, Miranda. So this is interesting. There were some conversations between Miranda and Carrie in this episode that I thought were so interesting where they basically both are asking each other,

do you still have feelings about Steve? Do you still have feelings about Aiden? And they're both like, I don't think so. And I'm like, do they not know themselves at all? Yeah, I don't even know how... I... Yeah, I don't know how that happens because obviously...

if you saw strong enough feelings, both of them strong enough feelings that they're going to like get back together with the people. And not that long in the distance. And it's obvious. I know. I don't have any feelings at all. But I do feel like that is a thing

that you do with your girlfriends, right? Where you're like, no, no. But then in your head, you kind of know that you're thinking about them. That'll be fine. Yeah, you know you're thinking about them. Right. It's in the past.

It's over. And a lot of that might be self-preservation. because you don't know if the other person still feels away about you. So you're just telling yourself it's over because he doesn't want. We're done. Right. But there is this one weird thing with Miranda and Steve. So she's in her apartment.

She thinks she has a ghost. You know, he's opening this bar. And she's like, well, that was my idea. I know. And then they have the really sweet scene. And he gives her credit. Yes. And this is partly why I think they work out, right?

Is that like he always does give her credit. You know, she is kind of seen for what she can contribute. you know in a way that's really sweet. Yeah. Right? Like he sees the sweet side of her. Yeah. And she's like,

she's off. Right. It kind of like takes her arguments away. Right. You were giving me credit? Right. Yeah, why would I give you credit? Right.

It's nice. It's really nice. Exactly. But she expects not to get the credit. And then she gets the credit. And she's like, wow. Oh, gosh. But then later she says to Carrie,

that Carrie was supposed to be there with her and that Steve tried to kiss her, but you don't see it. And like when my producers were writing the notes, they were like that. so weird. And I thought about it and I do think it's weird because usually you would see something like that. So I don't know if there was some reason that we don't see it or if it got cut or I don't know what happened. Like every once in a while we would have like a schedule

drama where we couldn't film something like we'd run out of time at a location or something like that. And I wonder because that would have been at the bar opening, right? I think that's after that. But that's when Aiden and Carrie have the cake scene. Yeah. And then you see if it comes out, right? Right. And says we're going to make the toast. Yeah. And usually if we're we're on location, we're shooting until the sun comes up. You know what I mean? So maybe we ran out at nighttime. You imagine it.

Yeah, I mean, it could happen. It was your imagination. Exactly. So she just says like, oh, yeah, Steve tried to kiss me. She says it on the phone to carry, which is kind of funny. Because normally that would be really important. Yeah, we see it. Yeah.

But we don't see it. We just hear about it. And she's all like, you know, like it was nothing. But I feel like whenever they're talking, Steve and Miranda, you can tell that there's unresolved. things. Yeah, but he's so, he's always so like longing.

He really, he plays longing so well. You're so right. Just like. And she doesn't have any longing. No, she doesn't have any. This is interesting. Yeah.

Because longing, someone was talking about this, some other actress. Amanda Pete was saying that she and, oh my God, what's your best friend who's in all the Ryan Murphy? Oh, Sarah Paulson? Yes, Sarah Paulson and she were discussing longing as part of rom-coms.

Yeah. And it's really interesting concept to think of. I do think it's a central part of romantic comedies that work. Yeah. That there's a longing and it might be expressed or it might just be under the surface. But I think it's important and I think it's something that women really relate to and probably men too, right? Yeah. I don't know.

But definitely women. And I think all of us have so much longing for so many things, right? and different things at different times of life or whatever. Yeah. But I think it's also interesting because sometimes it's that thing that you don't want to admit. You don't want to admit that you're longing for this. I think that's one of the good things about Charlotte is Charlotte always admits that she's longing. Yeah.

She wears it on her sleeve, the longing. Whereas Carrie is kind of like covered, covered and even covered from herself. Right. So Miranda's saying like, do you still have feelings for Aiden? And she's like, no, no, no, no. No, I just went into a whole tizzy. Exactly. about him being the thing.

And I'm like, I can't go. I can't go. Exactly. No, no, no, no, it's fine. If it was fine, you would have had any response like this. He just looks at her, right? It's interesting. It's interesting.

But I do think that we do this, you know, just like we don't want to admit, you know. Well, yeah, because longing, then there's pain and suffering and sadness that comes if you don't get what you want. You're longing for too long. That it's sad. It's like a sad. It becomes so a wallow. Right.

It's like the wallow. It's a fine line. Yeah. Fine line. I remember when we did the first movie and there's that whole New Year's Eve sequence where Carrie puts on her coat to go out to Miranda's. And they play that really song, sad version of Old Langxine. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

Do you remember this? It's like Scottish or Irish or something and it's kind of like really leaning into your feelings. And Sir Jessica said to me, I said, oh, I'm not sure. I'm not sure about that song choice. And she was like, no, no, it's really good. It's really good. we women we like to push on our bruises I was like oh that's so smart sir

I know right and then I thought to myself thank you very much and I also thought like that's what movies are for that is what they're for you're supposed to sit in your feelings you know what I mean it's a way it's a way but then you can start getting this is going to get really weird you start to get addicted to the feeling of wallowing and longing because you just feel right

limerence. I think they call that limerence. Yeah. You just get addicted to feel it. It's like a cycle in your brain. Yeah. That's not healthy. No, it's not. No, you got to break out of that. It's also ADD thing. Right. That's so true. I just learned that reason. I'm like, oh, no wonder I can't get over people when I break up with them. That's important.

Because it's got to move on. That's right. I also think like if you think about art and movies, that's why it's important is to go in the experience in the darkness with the strangers, have the feelings. and then walk out. And then get it out. Yeah. Like catharsis, like the original idea of theater, you know?

Yeah. I remember the first time I saw the notebook. It was like that. Oh, yeah. I was in it. I was in it. I was really in my feeling. Sure, we were younger.

Yeah. And I was in it with this dude. I was just like, you know, you know, whatever. And you saw the notebook right in the middle of that? I saw the notebook while it was in the end. And I was just like in consult. I was crying so, and I'm about a crier. I'm not like an emotional person.

Oh, I'm a crier. I'm not. I'm not an emotional person. So if it gets me, it's, it's, it's, it's broken. I was. I was crying so hard. I was laughing at myself. I was just, like, what's amazing?

I was amazing. Oh, that's good. But that's true catharsis, I think. Like, that's like literally coming on your body. And then I took my friend to see if I was crazy. And the same thing happened to her. Oh, for sure. No, no, the notebook's really good.

She was like, oh, my God. No, I was just done. plane. I was on a 10-hour flight and I'd seen everything and the notebook was there and I was like, should I? And then I was like, no. I can't go there. So I watched the nurse again instead because that's a different type.

You know what I'm saying? But I was like, I can't go to the place of the notebook right now. I can't ever watch that movie again. Right. And what's more is my mom died of Alzheimer's. So I really, really can't see it. And I've told my dad, I said, dad, don't ever watch that notebook.

No. He was like, why? Oh, General Rollins will break your heart. I think it's another good movie. I'm like, Dad, if you know what's good for you, because I'm not here to tell you not to watch it. Right. I mean, he also might need his own thesis.

He might, but, oh. No, that's hard. Like that or like away from her. I'm in that movie, away from her. Who was that? I feel like I saw that. Yeah. It wasn't Julianne Moore, was it?

No, no, no, no. What was the one with Julianne Moore gets early on set? Oh, I don't know. With Alec Baldwin, she goes to the Blackboard and writes her number on it and then she can't remember the number. Oh, it's really good. Thank you so much, Eastern. Still Alice.

Good job. She was great. She's so great. Wait, what's away from her? Way from her, she was on me for an Oscar for two. Yeah. She's so good. And basically, away from her, she gets diagnosed.

Well, she was with her husband, and they're like this long-term loving relationship. They cross-country ski all the time. Oh. And very fit, active. if you know great people and then one day she's come and she's cross-country skiing and she has no idea where she is. She's like it's lost.

Horrible. And she does it every day, you know? It does the same ski thing every day. And she gets lost in the woods. Oh, no. Oh, no. She finally gets home. She finally gets there. She's like, I horrible. Didn't know where it was. I couldn't get home. She said something's wrong. Something's wrong.

Oh, no, no, no, no. I do this every day. Something's wrong. Get her diagnosis. Oh, no. So then she goes and she picks out her own care facility. So she goes and visits care facilities and picks it out for herself. And, you know, the husband is kind of like in denial about it. Like, no, no, no, no, it's going to be fun. No, I want to live here.

I don't want you to take care of me. Wow. I don't want you to whatever. Wow. Yeah. And then she starts to like deteriorate and he's visiting her every day. And she gets a boyfriend in the facility. What?

Yeah. She doesn't remember him anymore. Yeah. So he has to. the husband has to watch this happening with another person. I miss this movie. And the doctors are like, this happens sometimes. They just found some kind of connection.

It's not personal and it's not, you know. It's interesting. Yeah. It's sort of really also, Dad, don't watch them. Right. I get it. I get it. What's up, everyone?

I'm Ego Wodom. My next guest, you know from Step Brothers Anchorman, Saturday Nightly, Live and the Big Money Players Network. It's Will Ferrell. Woo. Woo. My dad gave me the best advice ever. I went and had lunch with him one day.

I was like, and Dad, I think I want to really give this a shot. I don't know what that means, but I just know the groundlings. I'm working my way up through, and I know it's a place that come look for up and coming talent. He said, if it was based solely on talent, I wouldn't worry about you, which is really sweet. Yeah. He goes, but there's so much luck involved. and he's like, just give it a shot. He goes, but if you ever reach a point where you're banging your head against the wall

and it doesn't feel fun anymore, it's okay to quit. If you saw it written down, it would not be an inspiration. It would not be on a calendar of, you know, the cat. Just hang in there. Yeah, it would not be. Right, it wouldn't be that. There's a lot of luck. Listen to Thanks, Dad, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your

podcast. There's two golden rules that any man should live by. Rule one, never mess with a country girl. You play stupid games, you get stupid prizes. And rule two, never mess with her friends either. We always say that trust your girlfriends. I'm Anna Sinfield, and in this new season of the girlfriends, oh my God, this is the same man. A group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist. I felt like I got hit by a truck. I thought, how could this happen to me? The cops didn't seem to care.

So they take matters into their own hands. I said, oh, hell no. I vowed. I will be his last target. He's going to get what he deserves. Listen to the girlfriends. Trust me, babe. On the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts,

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question. You kind of said it, but I'm going to ask you any. Anyway, Tracy, are you a Charlotte? I am a Charlotte. Adorable. I used to really, really be a Charlotte. And then, but now you're more like half and half. Okay, or more Miranda all together. Yeah, I'm a Charlotte Miranda mix.

Combo, I like that combo. That combo, I think it's a good combo. I think it's a great combo. In terms of like day-to-day life, that's a really good combo. Someone who can like identify their feelings about things and allow themselves be passionate about it. but also regulate yourself in a way that you don't make really bad stupid decisions. I mean, look, the truth is Miranda and Charlotte both have made stupid decisions because they're human beings. Yes.

And that's one of the great things about looking back at the show is everybody was imperfect, which I guess they can't really write now. You know, it's interesting. It is hard. We're in a weird moment for art. Right? And also just for like what's getting green lip. for the streamers.

You know, it's not a time where people are thinking like, well, let's celebrate imperfect characters. That's not really happening so much right now, you know? Right. Well, that's a show, the Carrie Washington show about imperfect women. Oh, right, I haven't watched it yet.

They're trying. Are they? Good for them. Good for them. They're trying. The three of them are. Oh, they all a mess? They're messy.

Yeah. Well, good. In different ways. I think the thing, because that's a limited series, right? Sometimes with the limited series, I feel like you can do things that you can't do it in an ongoing show.

And that's the, joy of having all of these limited series, right? Is that they kind of stand alone and you don't have to have someone buy in in the same way. I feel like a show you're asking people to really buy into those characters long term. And now everyone's so concerned. Like, can we show this? Can we show that? Can we do this?

Can we do that? What if they smoke a cigarette? Oh, my God. Oh, God. We can't have that. Right. But then I just read the other day, like cigarettes are coming back. Yeah.

But that's a villain. A villain would smoke a cigarette. Yeah. Like, it's all really interesting. Like, how did we get here? A villain was a cigarette. And women who, drink are raging alcoholics.

Which is crazy. I'm like, if a woman throws up, she's pregnant. Wow. We've distilled everything down to just like symbols. If a woman throws up, oh, she's pregnant. Okay, great. If she has a drink, oh, she has a problem. Wow.

Men can still come home after work and have a drink. Every single character in sex of the city drank, I mean a lot too. And it was discussed. It's not that it wasn't discussed. It was discussed, but it wasn't, we weren't vilified for it. No, not at all. And it was sexy. And the drinks were pretty.

Yes, definitely. And occasionally they would drink too much and then they would regret it. So it wasn't like it was totally fake. Yeah, for sure. You get sick and wasn't Carrie thrown up or something and just like that? She drank too much. Miranda had a storyline where she throws up on a guy, but they cut it. Oh, yeah.

Because they thought it was too much, which is kind of funny. It was kind of like a horror movie level. You know what I mean? But then, I mean, like one time I get food poisoning with hair. but that was a different, that was like, because we were so perfect or whatever, like, too happy. So we get food poisoning on Valentine's Day. That was just to, like, make us suffer a little bit. Yeah.

I mean, there were different things. I can't really remember Carrie. But people would be hungover. Yeah. And people would do stupid things when they drank too much. I think that was the part. But it's just, it was part of the life. The life in New York City.

But now it's like, no, I know. You can't do it. It's a different time. My God, it's a different time. Oh, God. I know. It's craziness. It is craziness. So you've played all kinds of different characters and cops and whatnot. Cops. Do you enjoy the cops? Do you enjoy the lawyers? I did, I did, I did, I did, I did used to a lot of cops and lawyers, but now I'm like wives and best friends stuff.

Do you like that or no? It's, it's fine. It's, yeah. I mean, it's like, people like, oh my God, do you think you get a typecast or, or, I'm like, well, I look at it more about it's a niche. Yep. You don't mean. I do. And it's easier to have a niche. I think it is easier to have a niche. They're not have a niche.

I think so too. I mean, that's the alternative, right? And people always leave that out, right? Do you know what I mean? They're like, oh, you get typepassed. I'm like, yeah, but if I work, it's all fine. It's fine. Right?

Totally. And I can make it interesting for myself. Most definitely, right? I think that's the key. Yeah, and it's just the quality about me. You know what I mean? I think I have a certain gravitas I've been told. Definitely.

where people just want to talk to me. Right, which is a great thing. Which is the characters I play. So my brother's like, you always play the listening characters. That's good. So playing cops, I don't play like beat cops. I play like detectives. And then what happened?

And I play lots of therapists now. Lots of therapists. I'm in a whole therapist thing. I had one small moment playing a boss bitches, which was really fun. Oh, that's fun. I had a boss bitch season. Love it. But now I'm a therapist.

I never get to play cops. I really want to. play a cop one day. You should. Yeah. I did play an FBI agent once, but I was an FBI agent who's undercover with the criminals. And then at a certain point, I leave and I'm just an FBI agent in a jacket with the gun. And I was like, oh, God, I hope someone doesn't, like, think this is dumb.

You always have that fear as an actor, right? It's just not my niche. as we're speaking. But I would like it to be, you know? Yeah, cops are fine. It's just that they usually just have a lot of, I mean, because I do the FBI agency, CIA detective cop things. There's always a lot of words.

All the things. A lot of words. It was harder than a medical doctor. Better than a medical doctor. I do nurses, not doctors. Oh, nurses. That's a little better. Isn't that weird?

No. I know. I've played several nurses, but never doctors, really. I know, I know. Well. Except for on falsettos on Broadway. I played a doctor. that's important.

Yeah. That's good. I mean, I think also, unfortunately, it's like, you know, I do feel like the pit is doing a good job of trying to shake some of this stuff up because a lot of it is about typecasting, right? And like who is a nurse needs to be shaken up a bit. Yeah. Like they have those male nurses, which is great. And then they have many different women of color and all different things.

And then some of them are leaving and they better be, you know, promoting others. because, you know, we don't want to have stress in that regard because they were doing so great. Yeah. Right? And all the actors are so good. The pit is like I have to binge it because it stresses me out so badly. Me too.

That I can't have it be the end. No, I know. I know. I know. I can't wait. I have to watch it before bed because I have like a tiny window when my children have gone to bed, but it's too stressful to watch before bed. Yeah, I have to be able to think next.

Yeah, it's really good on a plane because you can really just be. Yeah, and you feel like he went to med school. Definitely. Definitely. Oh, that potassium's too high. How don't I know about that? But I'm like, ooh, potassium's high. That means something's really wrong with this guy.

Mm-hmm. Oh, we're tackycardi. What am I talking about? Oh, I know. Oh, the tachycardia. That's a very popular one. That's a very popular one. I have never played a doctor.

I don't think that I can think of. No, I would like to play a doctor, though. I do feel like I'd be scared. Because it's a lot. It's a lot of words, but also like the icky, the ick factor. I'm just like, oh, Lord, I would just have to seriously act. You would, but also you'd be there and you'd see the makeup person and come and put the thing. And you're like, oh, this looks cool.

For sure, for sure. You're very good at your job. Right. You know. Right. That's good. It doesn't really freak you out because it's just like. Fake, yeah.

It's so. You see the bells and whistles. Yeah, you know what's happening. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's good. It doesn't only, and you do it over and over again. It just gets sticky. after a while.

Yeah, yeah. It's really sticky. No, that makes sense. I've worked with a lot of dogs and sometimes you have to hide the dog treats and rub bacon grease on your hands. So, yeah, kind of like that. Just like that.

Exactly. Well, you've been enjoying. Thank you so much. Thank you. It's so fun. Devil We're part of two. Oh, thank you. Me too.

Very exciting. I've not seen it. Ooh, that's going to be a lot. Well, I haven't seen it. I don't think Molly's seen it either. I haven't checked in with her. I need to check in again. She invited me to go to the premiere

but I couldn't make it. I feel so sad. I would love to go to the premiere, but it's going to be a circus. It's going to be crazy. It's going to be really big and crazy. Yes. But fun.

I'm looking forward to it. I'm taking my partner and my father and my brother. That's fantastic. That's fun. It's me and the boys. That's great. I love it.

That's really good. I think it'll be really good. I have good feelings about it. I'm there to support. Well, thank you. It's my pleasure. Get you a red bag. I want a red bag to put my popcorn in.

It's adorable. And whoever thought of that. It's a genius. Right? We need to make things fun. I mean, and even their press tour. It's good. Anne and.

It's really good, Meryl. Anna Meryl. Putting Meryl and Anna Wintour together is genius. Fantastic. I'm so glad Meryl talked her into it. Yeah. It's really, really good. It's really, really great.

Yeah, we had Chloe Moll on before she was named the new head editor of Vogue. She's, um, Candice Berkins's daughter, so we know her from. As she described herself, she's a Sex and City Nepo baby. Oh, hilarious. Candace played Enid. So she came on and I follow her and she said that she had asked Anna a while ago if she would ever think about being on the cover with Marilyn. Anna was like, no, it's not my style.

And Chloe said, okay and kind of dropped it, but then Merrill talked her into it. Oh, good. And it's so good. It's iconic. It's fantastic. It is. If she's like in profile and Marilyn. Love it so much.

And Merrill's having so much fun. Merrill's having a good time. I can tell. You know, she's, you know, I was like, oh, they're in Korea today. Oh, now they're in Japan. I know. I know. It's fantastic. Every day when I'm looking at my phone.

I know. It's fantastic and I love it so much. Yeah. And I want there to be more female-led films out there because it's so enjoyable. Yeah, there's so many great women in this movie. Exactly. So many. Exactly. So.

I'm so glad it got made. Yeah. God, we need more. Got to keep it going. Yeah. Thank you for coming. Thanks for having me. It was really fun.

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