Are You A Charlotte? - The Buddy System with Sarita Choudhury... (S2 E14 "The F*ck Buddy)

Episode Date: September 15, 2025

Before he was "Mayhem," Dean Winters was on Sex and the City and he's playing the controversial character.  And Just Like That star, Sarita Choudhury (aka Seema Patel) joins Kristin to tell the cold hard truth about "f*ck buddies". Find out why they are a bad idea and if you have one, you better listen right now! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It is such a joy for me. So catching up on the show, just wanting to watch all the, I'm a little addicted. So I honestly, I'm kind of like, I know these chairs from watching the show. So I'm very excited. I love having you here. It's been a fun week. I feel like being together is just exactly what I need. That's all I want.

Right? It's all I want too. Yeah. And then we get to rewatch the old show. I know. And it's a particularly interesting episode that I can't wait to get your feelings on. But before that, I want to do the thing that I love to do with those of us cast members, right? Which is really so interesting on so many levels.

And as you said, when you sat down, it's very meta, right? Yes. Because we're here on the podcast, which is kind of like a show. Yes. Talk about the old show and then also and just like that because obviously you are an incredibly important part of it just like that, which we love so much. and you're just a joy in so many ways that I personally am just so thankful after having watched you for so many years

and been a fan literally since Mississippi Massala which was, you know, such a, like still such a glorious and fascinating like just bam arrival, you know, like I just saw it recently and even I was like how can this movie had been made that long ago 30 years? ago because it's a comedy it's very political right it's a love story it's between you and denzil washington oh my god which thank god i i mean obviously i knew he had just won the oscar for glory

but he was he was still new on the scene yeah new ish yeah new is and like i couldn't do that now like there has there's something about being naive that allows you to because at that age you're just trying to be cool and make sure your hair is doing this when he walks by. That's all you're thinking about, whereas now I would die. Of course. And I don't even know how, I can't even imagine. And you were so present. Well, to you when you see it.

But I remember the director, Mira, saying at one point, I feel like you never really look at him in the eye. And I, which was true because I was too shy. And I remember saying, well, I'm saving that for the love scene. But it was my, it was a fake answer. But what a great answer. And then that's actually what happened. Oh, my God. Because I was so here.

Right. I just thought if I look at him, that's enough. Right. Oh, amazing. So amazing. And sometimes I'll be on a plane and I'll just be watching something that, because I've watched everything, right? And there's Serita. Oh, my God.

Oh, my God. There's Serrita. Like in the green. What's the green thing? And you're like this queen. Yes. Yeah. I mean, you just play such amazing and fascinating characters.

Thank you. I just always want you to be on screen always. Oh, my God. That's such a. I do. On a bad day, I'm going to re-listen to this, that sentence. Well, I don't ever want you to have a bad day. But if you do, please just call me.

And I will. I'm just happy that we're talking because if you think about we don't have scenes together. Exactly. Except a group scene. Right. And on those group days, it's so fun because you and I chat a lot and we'll, like, I remember we were doing the Halloween episode and I was sitting and I think I was talking with Sarah Jessica and Nicole

and didn't know who else was there, maybe Cynthia, and we were talking, I was confessing to something and you were way over there and there was something about you that knew, you know me kind of oddly, you could hear and you ran over and you said, what are you saying? And I was like, Wait, I've been talking for a long time and this and you were like, no, you just said something and it was why, and I remember thinking how does she, she kind of, you have antenna for me.

I do definitely have antenna for you. And I remember early on you helped me a lot in like the second episode of season one. The second episode of season one. I was in a hallway and I remember this. And you just said how are you feeling and I was like

who I just, it was a lot for me. Yeah. And you took me into a side conference room, and we had a great chat. And I just remember thinking, oh, if she can relate to this, this means I don't have to get comfortable too early. I have time. Yes. You know?

Yes. And I think, too. And I mean, this is really what I wanted to start with. Because for us, we knew that bringing in new people was what we wanted to do. But we also had some understanding of the fact that it would be strange to be that new person. Right. Right. And not that we could necessarily understand all the different ways that it would be strange, but we just knew in general that it would be strange and really, really wanted to make it a welcoming, you know, like ease the transition as much as possible so that you could feel comfortable because when I look back at the early seasons, that was me. I mean, all I see is my anxiety. That's what you kind of told me and helped me because I think also we forget that you had that.

beginning. So when you confessed all of it to me, it just something happened to me where I was like, I may not get it till season two. That's fine. Totally. I'm just, they didn't hire me to get it. They hired me to join and, you know. Absolutely. And the truth is, just being present is all that's required. That's so true. And you absolutely are. Like you don't have to be like good in the heels, good with the props, blah, blah, blah. No one even knows all that stuff. No. I mean, it's fun for us to talk about it. And sometimes I think it's fun for people to hear about it. Totally. But those are not the important parts.

The important parts is just being present. And to me, you are the most grounded. Oh, wow. You really are like just like er, like just so grounded, which is why I think watching you do all of the SEMA things, which I know are not you, you know, at all. I mean, you have your own very, very interesting situation in life and, you know, talking to you about your travel. levels in your life and your world. It's like it could be a whole show in and of itself, right? But it's not seem like.

No, I don't navigate the world like Seema. Not at all. But you know what was really helpful? I think when after that conversation with you and then Sarah Jessica also was very, I remember she didn't try to fix anything. If she saw me kind of trying to figure something out, she just let it be. And I was like, oh, okay. And also MPK, it was like I was part of some new clowning. class but for glamour and I and when you when you guys were on when he was on your on this podcast

when he you guys which I couldn't get over that story you told about the dunes yes and having to sit in a chair like position before you pop up pretending to be so real heels in sand in the Sahara desert those loudspeakers that always sound muffled you don't know what they're saying you can't tell what they're saying when you told that story it made me think when I I joined, I was like, okay, MPK's got this kind of brilliance at clown math, which you use the word precise with him. I started to realize, oh, okay, it's very precise. But what I realize, he wants you to bring you with precision. Whereas when you join a show like this, you think I just have to be precise and do this other thing. Yeah. And when you start to realize

you want my heart with that precision then I got it and then I started having fun But he was so good at being like Sreta it's it's what you do That I love And yes you have to put the cup down

And walk in the heels and like The cigarette you have to do all that Right and that's your homework Right And I that was the I love his comedy training I know it's very specific unique. It's a math class. It is. It's like physics. We deserve a diploma. Degree. I agree. Totally. I agree totally. So let's backtrack a little bit because I know I've asked you this in private and I'm sure so many people have so I apologize. But I do love to have it on record. Yeah. Like when did you watch Sex and the City in your life and what were your thoughts before you ever like medicine came to be with us? Right. So I, when I moved to New York,

The only reason I think I came to it late was, you know, when you move to a city, you don't necessarily have apartments with TVs or with cable. So there was a lot of delay in. You just watch whatever the boyfriend you're with at the time. You're not really, you don't have a, you're always out also. But I came to it. There was a summer in Italy where I was going through heartbreak. and I was staying in my friend Paulo's apartment and he had left and I was staying there for two weeks and he had the tapes and I started watching and it helped me with my heartbreak so I was a bit

I got a bit addicted so I was supposed to be out in the city of Rome and instead I was home a lot and I got really addicted and it became this private secret because I didn't want to say I went to Italy and I watched Texas City. Do you know what I mean? I was supposed to be on a Vespa with a guy and I I I I it helped me that was what you needed it. I needed it yeah yeah even rewatching I'm sure this happens to you rewatching the old yeah the the early episodes yeah it's so good yeah and why it holds up now yeah where we should be moved on from a lot of these things we were concerned about they're still kind of fresh 100% I know it's wild it is wild I mean that was really why I wanted to do the podcast, but I was thinking there would be a lot more things

that weren't true. Right. But I mean, there's like technical changes, right, like dating apps, whatever, blah, blah, as you so wonderfully portray and just like that. But the elements, the issues, the internal parts are exactly the same. It shocked me. I was watching some of the other night, and I was like, why am I relating so well? Yeah, it almost makes me relieved not to be in my 20s and 30s. kind of. It definitely makes me relieved not to be in my 20s and 30s because I do think that like the I went to this event last night here

at IHeart and this adorable woman came up to me. It was so many adorable fans. It was an advertising thing but they were fans. They were just so sweet and so many different ages and you know that's like very gratifying. Totally.

To see. Yes. And when I was meeting a bunch of people and this one woman said, I just have to talk to you because I went on this date last night. It was an incredible first date and it was through one of the apps and he brought me flowers and then today he said I don't want another date and I was like oh my god let's sit down let's talk you're so cute you sat down with her well because I'm in it too you know what I'm saying is you and I you know being single women and we don't we're not on the app so it's like even we're not exactly but I'm trying to

understand the apps right so people keep talking to me about the apps and I'm fascinated as we talk about in the show as well you learn I will it's confusing okay it's not great news i don't think i'm i'm i'm i'm i'm i'm i feel for the for the 20s and 30s i i really feel for them because i do feel like now there's this incredible pressure to be on the apps right like everyone's supposed to be on the apps and it's supposed to go great and i do know people who've met their completely right but from what i'm hearing on a day to day basis uh it's a hot mess it's a hot mess and a lot of work and a lot of time 100 percent which i do not have and i'm very scared and I don't want to go on there.

Yeah, and also I don't want to become dumber with that work. You know, it's the same time it takes to read a book. So how do you gauge? You know what I mean? Well put, well put. This is a tape recorded statement. The person being interviewed is Krista Gail Pike. This is in regards to the death of a Colleen slimmer.

She just started going off on me and then I hit her. I just hate her, I'm hit her, and hate her, I'm here. On a cold January day in 1995, 18-year-old Krista Pike killed 19-year-old Colleen Slemmer in the woods of Knoxville, Tennessee. Since her conviction, Krista has been sitting on death row. The state has asked for an execution date for Krista. We let people languish in prison for decades,

raising questions about who we consider fundamentally unrestorable. How does someone prove that they deserve? We are starting the recording now. Please state your first and last name. Krista Pike. Listen to Unrestorable Season 2, Proof of Life, on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. My name is Ed. Everyone say hello, Ed. From a very rural background myself, my dad is a farmer, and my mom is a cousin. So, like, it's not, like, What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club?

I know it sounds like the start of a bad joke, but that really was my reality nine years ago. I just normally do straight stand-up, but this is a bit different. On stage stood a comedian with a story that no one expected to hear. The 22nd of July 2015, a 23-year-old man had killed his family. And then he came to my house. So what do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club?

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because I landed on my head. Welcome to Season 2 of The Good Stuff. Listen to the Good Stuff podcast on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Okay. to the heartbreak when you watch the show. Because one of the things that I've been hearing from just people in general on the street, whatever, everywhere, which I think is fascinating, is that sex in the city is now considered comfort food watching.

Isn't that interesting? Yeah. And I mean, when we were starting in the beginning, it was radical. Yeah. It was radical and shocking and like devices. It still kind, when I was watching episodes, I was like, this is still radical. Right. But yet people will say to me,

oh, I put this on the background at nighttime before I'm going to bed because it makes me feel good. Well, I relate to the feel good because we're such messed up human beings. Yeah. And the show reflects that. Yes. And so it's radical in that it doesn't cover that up

and that is super comforting. I think that's right, you know. I think that's right. Yeah. You go like, well, they're in it too. Oh my God. And also a lot of wrong things. things happen in the show like people like and back then when I watch this episode yeah I was like

whoa there's some politically incorrect stuff that is wild but I grew up with that and that kind of comedy so I oddly miss it even though I'm glad times have changed and you know we're not saying certain things yeah but how things have changed what we didn't pull with it enough I think is that audacity and wild inappropriate because we are inappropriate at times yeah people are crazy people are crazy people are crazy for sure and that's also I mean first of all the first season when I watched the first season I was like every man here is awful whenever we watched like shockingly awful but I also remember being back then and they all seem familiar and they were all based on real stories that's interesting you know what I'm saying and I think that was just we were just like used to

Do you know what I'm saying? Yes, I do. We were used to like withholding and, you know, weird. Like it was normal to us. Exactly. We didn't think twice about it. That's interesting. And now you look at it and you go, what?

Ew. Right. Now, I don't think necessarily that people are any better. Do you what I mean? I don't. I just think maybe like how we talk about it is different maybe. And or I feel, and I could be wrong, but I feel like women are more. powerful in the mix.

I hope I'm right. I think you're right. What I wonder is what happens when women get more powerful but then the new ways of the apps and the still lack of natural collision is what happens when you get more powerful and you can't use that power? And this is where we're at. I think this is where we're at, right? Because one of the things that like this woman was saying to me last night and

I have this guy who showed me his Raya and I'm just like still trying to process and then I had this other guy come on an actor from the show who told me like why aren't you on Ryan? I was like I can't go on that thing I don't know what to do and then he was like oh you know you go on and then you swipe left

right this is what I've learned and then and then he said to me that you you text and then you sexed before you meet them hold on you text and then text and then you sexed before. This is what Mark Forrestine told me. So then...

I'm still shocked, okay? People are nodding, all right, in this room, all right? The youngsters are nodding. But how can you sexed if you haven't? I don't know. Okay. So it's based on the text and the picture? Yes, they're laughing.

Shearling it as Sarita. Yes. Oh, I got, I know. You are, that's what's funny. We are like... Our opinion on it is... 100%. But is it not fascinating?

So, first of all, I could never. I love that you're also teaching me this, which you just, you just learned it and you're teaching me. And I'm like, oh, my God. I'm in the mix. I'm trying to figure it out, right? But it's weird. So what did they say to that? Like, what's, well, so I'm talking to this young man.

I'm not going to say who he is, okay? But he is a friend's son and he's 31 and he's, you know, got it all going on, right? And he was like, what do you mean you're not on Ryan? I'm like, ah, you know. So he says, go, let me show it to you. So he goes, he gets out his Raya, and he's scrolling through all the ladies, all the ladies that he's texting. But there's so many, okay? Most of them are not wearing.

Yeah, quicker than I would have liked. I was like, slow down. I want to read. But I don't think he really wanted me to read. And they're not wearing total outfits. So that's one thing to say. You know what I'm saying? Like, they're creatively scantily clad.

Not like obvious, but like, you know, just creatively. like I'm hiking. People must be so confused right now because we play characters that are often scantily clad and yet I'm literally like this like no that's funny

Playing a character is different than life I totally agreed but as you know people confuse that That's so true and good point and you just really beautifully were scantily clad this past season I mean a lot Sometimes Molly our costume or showing me pictures

I mean sometimes it's all about how I get to set to the bed and get under the... Yeah, it's all the crew. I don't want them to have to like... I'm with you, babe. Watch me. Well, they want to watch you, but I understand. I understand.

That's where I think more shyness comes than the millions who are going to see. Of course. Well, because you're in the scene and you're paying attention to Marshall or who... You don't know what I mean? Logan. Sorry, he has so many names.

I know. All interesting names, yes. But yeah, once you're in, you're in the scene. But getting into the scene is a very... very, it's like the transition between Sarita and Sima. You know, it just takes one person to be like, oh, sweetie, let me, and you're, the towel drops and you're like, you're internally screaming. Yeah.

Oh my God. Totally. But going back to the ladies on the, right. The ladies are creatively scantily clad, right? Like they're hiking and they just happen to be wearing a very small sports bra or whatever, you know, and they're like, I'm hiking. So, you know, stuff like that. And then he's showing me the texts, right?

And I'm trying to read, but he's going too fast. And I mean, I didn't see any naked pictures, but I'm sure that was on purpose, journey me, and I'm sure they were there, and he just didn't want to tell me. And then at a certain point, I say, well, well, what happens with these women? Like, you're texting with all these women. What happens? And he goes, oh, then I just ghost them. And I'm like, wait, what?

Why? And he goes, well, because I get, you know, I got a hit. I got like a positive, you know, dopamine rush or whatever, and I'm good then. Whoa. I know. I don't like that. Right? It's sad.

And this is somebody that... And he admits it with no shame? Definitely didn't seem to be feeling shame. Are we still in dinosaur therapy land? Are you guys like, oh my God, no one's going to care about this except our age group. Listen, baby, this is my podcast. So he says it more like... True.

He says it more like, oh, no, this is the good side of it that he gets out of it. Well, he was trying to tell me to be on it, number one. Yeah. Number two, he was trying to explain it. And then number three, that was just like, I think the truth. I mean, I felt in the moment it was the truth. And the thing that I think is interesting about this is that this is a person who I would put on like a high emotional intelligence quotient. Right.

He's a super smart guy. He's been in therapy. He's sober. There's a lot of positive. So I was shocked. Thrown by it. Right. But I think the important thing to think about, okay, if we think about like, say, Instagram, right?

which I fully am addicted to Instagram. Yeah. Fully. You know, you're getting some dopamine from it. True. Or you're scrolling until you get the dopamine. True. Right?

So I don't know why it would be different. Do you know what I'm trying to say? Well, I guess because if you're already at the point of sexting someone, because on Instagram we're not, we're interacting with ourselves. Yes. And what we're seeing. Yeah, I'm not sexting anybody on Instagram now. Definitely not.

No. So I guess no feelings are hurt. I always get worried if feelings are hurt. Right. What I'm trying to say is that. I don't think they think they're real people. I don't think they're real people to them necessarily. I'm not saying that's a, I don't know if that's true, but I feel like it is.

I feel like it's not that big of a leap for the young people. It's so sweet, though, because they're like, Kristen, you should be on these. And you can't even get beyond the, why are you scrolling so fast? Yeah, you know what I mean? Yes, I do. It would be fascinating how you would navigate an app. Yeah, I know. I mean, Nicole seems to think that I should do it, and she wants to do it for me.

but I'm like, Nicole, I'm very, very scared, and I don't want to do it. You know what I'm saying? I love that because Nicole, Nicole, I feel, would never do it for herself. I don't think so either. I tried to get her to say if she would or wouldn't, but it's impossible for her to imagine being single, obviously. You know what I mean? Which I get. It's true.

Yes. But her point was, you know, there was a point in time when the kids were little and we would say, Boris and I would say to the kids were going out and they would be like, what? She was trying to say that I should take time for myself and that that time should be spent dating. Which to me, I'm like, I would like to take time for myself to go on a hike. You know what I mean? You're so cute. Well, I think you don't have an opinion until you need it. Like, if you fell in love, you'd have an opinion.

Well, for sure. Because until you have that crush or love, what is all this talk? It's theoretical. It's very theoretical. But isn't it fascinating? It is. Yes. And I do feel like when we were talking about watching the show and thinking, you know, we're happy that we're not in our 20s and

30s. Right. And I think because when I watch this show and in particular, this episode, the Fck Buddy episode, I found it depressing. Yeah. Now, sometimes I watch this show and I find it super invigorating. Me too. And I think it's great and we're powerful and we're, yes, we're messy, but we're powerful

messy and we have each other, right? But the fuck buddy for some reason really made me sad. That's so funny because the whole time I was like, why did Kristen pick this one for me to watch? I couldn't. I'm sorry. No. And then I realized it's not.

even personal like it's i just warned you on the show but it did it also made me there was a melancholy in there a tawdreness most definitely yeah and i don't feel like there necessarily should be right like you should be able to have a fuck buddy do you know i mean not you serita but anyone should be able to have that and then i think the sadness is that you know dean winters plays that character so so well beautifully and i've wanted to come on the show i don't know where he is But Dean is such a great guy. Right? He should definitely be on.

He'd love this show. I know. I don't know where he is. Dean, we need you to come on. We need to, we have a, I have like a side episode I do catching up with friends.

Dean needs to be on catching up with friends. Nice. Anyway, but also some fans have been on Instagram asking for Dean. So, you know, he needs to come on. But he, I think he plays the part so beautifully

and there is such a sadness at the end. I was shocked by that. Right? Because you don't expect that the way he looks at her, it's almost like he knows what she has decided. Yeah. And he's not even doing the line of like, oh, well, I have to get up early too, too quickly.

Right. He's just kind of looking at her as he says it. It's almost the beginning of what could be romance. I know. But then it isn't and it's sad. It's so sad. They know you can't recover from that pace. They've gone too far.

This is a tape-recorded statement. The person being interviewed is Krista Gail Pike. This is in regards to the death of Colleen Slimmer. She started going off on me and I hit her. I just hit her and hit her and hit her. On a cold January day in 1995, 18-year-old Krista Pike killed 19-year-old Colleen Slimmer in the woods of Knoxville, Tennessee.

Since her conviction, Krista has been sitting on death row. The state has asked for an execution date for Krista. We let people languish in prison for decades, raising questions about who we consider fundamentally unrestorable. How does someone prove that they deserve to live? We are starting the recording now. Please state your first and last name.

Krista Pike. Listen to Unrestorable Seasons, Reason 2, Proof of Life, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. My name is Ed. Everyone say, hello, Ed. I'm from a very rural background myself. My dad is a farmer, and my mom is a cousin. So, like, it's not like... What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? I know it sounds like the start of a bad joke, but that really was my reality nine years ago. I just normally do straight stand-up, but this is a bit different. On stage stood a comedian with a story that no one expected to hear.

On 22nd of July 2015, a 23-year-old man had killed his family. And then he came to my house. So what do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? A new podcast called Wisecrack, where Stan up comedy and murder take center stage available now listen to wisecrack on the iHeart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts what would you do if one bad decision forced you to choose between a maximum security prison or the most brutal boot camp designed to be hell on earth unfortunately for mark lombardo this was the choice he faced he said you are a number a new york

state number, and we own you. Shock incarceration, also known as boot camps, are short-term, highly regimented correctional programs that mimic military basic training. These programs aim to provide a shock of prison life, emphasizing strict discipline, physical training, hard labor, and rehabilitation programs. Mark had one chance to complete this program and had no idea of the hell awaiting him the next six months. The first night was so overwhelming, and you don't know who's next to you.

And we didn't know what to expect in the morning. Nobody tells you anything. Listen to shock incarceration on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A foot washed up a shoe with some bones in it. They had no idea who it was. Most everything was burned up pretty good from the fire that not a whole lot was salvageable. These are the coldest of cold cases. But everything is about to change.

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the Houston Lab that takes on the most hopeless cases to finally solve the unsolvable. Listen to America's Crime Lab on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I had this overwhelming sensation that I had to call it right then. And I just hit call, said, you know, hey, I'm Jacob Schick, I'm the CEO of One Tribe Foundation,

and I just wanted to call on and let her know there's a lot of people battling some of the very same things you're battling, and there is help out there. The Good Stuff podcast, Season 2, takes a deep look into One Tribe Foundation, a non-profit fighting suicide in the veteran community. September is National Suicide Prevention Month, so join host Jacob and Ashley Schick as they bring you to the front lines of One Tribe's mission. I was married to a combat army veteran,

and he actually took his own life to suicide. One Tribe saved my life twice. There's a lot of love that flows through this place, And it's sincere. Now it's a personal mission. I don't have to go to any more funerals, you know. I got blown up on a React mission. I ended up having amputation below the knee of my right leg and a traumatic brain injury because I landed on my head.

Welcome to Season 2 of the Good Stuff. Listen to the Good Stuff podcast on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Okay. This episode is episode 214. So we're in the second season. It is 1990. When it airs, I know, crazy to think about it. It's called The F-Buddy.

It is directed by Alan Taylor, who's a great director, who we borrowed from the Sopranos. This is the second director that we are now borrowing from the Sopranos. Alan Coulter was first. Then comes Alan Taylor. Later will come, Timmy Van Patten, all amazing directors, and really went so fluidly between the two. It's super fascinating. Yes, super fascinating. We love Alan.

One day I'd like to have Alan on as well. And David Lansberry plays Miranda's very angry date, who is the son of Angela Lansberry. I'm just realizing as you said that. It's insane, right? That was interesting casting. Wasn't it? Like straight up with early episodes.

Right? The early episodes are wild. I know. So wild and crazy. They're like a needle with heroin mixed in with like a high heel. It's crazy. It's so true. It's so true.

Okay. Okay, so here we are, and here's Carrie and Skipper, which really cracks me up. Cracks me up. Just them walking. Right? And like, why is Carrie friends with Skipper? Yeah. And she's eating.

I love that scene. See, I remember details. You do. I love it because that's what you think. You're like, who is this? Why is she? That's what you think. And that's when you know the show is good because you're like, look at all our friends in New York.

That's true. It just situated me in New York. That wouldn't happen anywhere else. absolutely 100% right. And it's also like the people kind of come and go and then you reconnect. You know what I mean? It's interesting. And then later Miranda sees skipper on the street, which is so real. So real. So real. And she's trying to catch up and he's like, ah, he's all very angry, which is kind of funny. She's turned on because he's angry. Right, which is depressing. Okay. Yeah. That's back up. So then we see Miranda on a date with this

super angry guy. And it's funny because Miranda is technically the angriest of us right right so it's so interesting to see her being someone who's like exponentially more angry than her completely and she's like the caretaker and also it's weird to see a character like him because when we lived in our version of new york no one had a boyfriend like him but there were a lot of guys like that there were no mostly guys like that yeah because i was a waitress at that point oh for sure no me too i was a waitress but i was a waitress in a place like even a guy like him didn't come that much. So then when I saw it, I remember thinking, oh, my God, those were the guys that I would

be scared to go on a date with. 100%. On every level. Oh, yeah, what, 100%. I mean, I do love in a way that Miranda is on a date with him because she's not scared, right? Miranda's not scared. And she's not cowed by him, right? But it is interesting to see her kind of going to the caretaking.

I'm going to wipe this glass off so he doesn't yell at the waitress. Like, it's all very interesting and slightly odd. I never even thought of that. Yeah, yeah. Right? It's super, super interesting. Meryl Marco, and I hope I get this right, was the executive producer of Letterman. And previously, I think, had been a comic.

And I remember that she was a big influence on Darren in terms of New York and, you know, the vibe. You know what I mean? And it was really cool to have her input. I don't think she really... Oh, I'd love to look her up. Like, just what you just said, that's... an interesting person. Oh, this is a funny, funny episode.

I forgot about this scene. This is a scene where we have the picnic in the park. And first of all, when you guys arrive, also, Kristen, you literally sometimes look like a school girl. I know. And then other times you look like breakfast at Tiffany's. Oh. You know, which brings me back to the scene, which is kind of funny because this scene is like,

you know, there are those certain outfits that are now like, say, you know Halloween costumes of Miranda or whatever this is one of them where she's got a hood and then I had over her hood This is a picnic scene And Sarah has two Yeah no Miranda I totally remember It was like like incognito

Don't ask me what was going on except that it was cold Like when I watch it I remember that it was one of those weird Spring where it would go up and then down And then up and then down And then Sarah Jessica has She has Heidi ponytail And like a durnal which you know We're still in the journal world

Yes. And I just remember that I was sitting there and I would look at Sarah who's in the Heidi outfit. And you were like, what show am I in? I know. I was like, how could I not laugh? That is funny. I know. I just remember. Did they find it funny about themselves so they couldn't see it? Because it was too cold. I mean, also we're just trying to please Pat, I think, at that point. You know what I'm saying? Like, and we didn't really have the budget and we're just still trying to find ourselves and I don't know what the heck, man. No, I'm kind of getting moved by how much.

much in in your own heads you must have been like what if this show is going to work because that's bizarre we still don't know we still don't know I everyone says to me when they come on actors other actors you know who were on the show by then that it was the hottest thing and I'm like no I don't think so in season two I don't think so I didn't feel that way you know and also you don't know that way because back then there wasn't Instagram there wasn't things telling you except the reviews yes which were not good because they were older white men who were like, who are these women? Yeah, yeah, you had no idea.

Who do they think they are? I love this. I'm glad, I'm glad, I've got. So then, so we have this picnic in the park, and we talk about, um, Carrie says single and fabulous. Oh, oh, oh, the poncho. The poncho, she's wearing the poncho over the journal. It's very cool.

She takes it off. That comes back and then just like that and my pretend daughter Kathy puts it on, Lily, sorry, Lily puts it on. Do you remember this scene? Yes, I totally remember. And then as so. point, Kathy told me when she came on the podcast that she told Sarah Jessica that

she didn't know how to put it on right or something. I don't know. Kathy was like, I made a faux pot and I was like, what? I don't know. And she probably didn't. I know. I'm sure she didn't. But it was really cute. It was really, really cute. So it's a good poncho. Sarah loves a poncho, as we know.

Yes. She wears them well. She wears them well. I don't understand ponchos. Even with all of your travels? I don't understand. covering all the effort you make. I don't understand. It is a very covering. It's like a blank. I don't

understand it. It is like a blanket. It is like a blanket. I don't understand. We're so insecure as people. And we always try and use the one thing we feel a bit secure about, whatever it is. And I feel like the pontos just negates all of it. So I agree. But this

is what I love about Sir Jessica. Yes. The rules do not apply. They don't apply. And also So, like, her charm, it comes from somewhere else. Like, other people have to create that. She, it's a different vibration. Is it? Is it?

It's the way she listens. It's another thing. I agree. I agree. And that's why you can't really copy it. True. You can try. True.

True. It's not wise. I personally don't think to just try to copy it. You know what I mean? Totally. No offense to all the girls on Instagram who are trying. I'm sorry. That's why it never works.

Or sometimes, you know when someone says to you, oh, my God, you look so good today, and then you wear that outfit again. Yeah. What they don't realize is they're saying that because probably something else. Maybe you had the best sex of your life the night before, and it's showing in your cheeks. Or maybe you had a really good cup of coffee. Yes. Or maybe you're very sad. You know how sadness makes you look beautiful.

Definitely, yes. But it's definitely not just the outfit. No, that's so true. But then you do think, like, well, that was a good outfit. I'm going to re-wear. And you try it doesn't work out. It's so true. Yeah, I've done that.

You're so smart. Yeah. So smart. So smart. Okay. So this is when, so this has made me laugh. So Carrie's in her apartment and she's wondering, also can I just say, do you ever think about this when you're watching the show? We say, and just like that, almost every episode. And I never realized it. Like literally, I thought we said, and just like that, Miranda became a mother when she has Brady. Oh, in the old ones? Yeah. We say it like every episode. I am shocked. I'm just going to bring it up. But then I thought, Kristen already knows. knows that and I don't want to look. No. Every time I'm like, oh my God! I literally noticed it and is kind of blowing my mind because I was like, wait a minute.

I didn't never notice it. Me neither. Me neither. But it just flows so easily. Easily. Because when we decided to create and just like that, I thought, why are we calling it? And just like that. And no one said this?

No. And I was scared to say that I didn't know why we were calling it that. I love it. We always think we're in trouble. I know. I know. I know. I assume I should know this.

And then someone else told me it was because when Miranda had Brady, Carrie's voiceover says, and just like that, Miranda. And I was like, oh, okay, that's a good reason. That's good reason. I didn't realize you literally say it every episode. It's fascinating. You guys, this is so much fun that we are going to have to have a part two. So join us later in the week on R.U.S. Charlotte.

On a cold January day in 1995, 18-year-old Krista Pike killed 19-year-old Colleen Slemmer in the woods of Knoxville, Tennessee. Since her conviction, Krista has been sitting on death row. How does someone prove that they deserve to live? We are starting the recording now. Please state your first and last name. Krista Pike. Listen to Unrestorable Season 2, Proof of Life, on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

I just normally do straight stand-up, but this is a bit different. What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? Answer, a new podcast called Wisecrack, where a comedian finds himself at the center of a chilling true crime story. Does anyone know what show they've come to see? It's a story. It's about the scariest night of my life. This is Wisecrack, available now.

Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast. or wherever you get your podcasts. What would you do if one bad decision forced you to choose between a maximum security prison or the most brutal boot camp designed to be hell on earth? Unfortunately for Mark Lombardo, this was the choice he faced. He said, you are a number, a New York State number, and we own you. Listen to shock incarceration on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,

or wherever you get your podcasts. Every case that is a cold case that has DNA right now in a backlog will be identified in our lifetime. On the new podcast, America's Crime Lab, every case has a story to tell, and the DNA holds the truth. He never thought he was going to get caught, and I just looked at my computer screen. I was just like, ah, gotcha. This technology is already solving so many cases. Listen to America's Crime Lab on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcasts. When your car is making a strange noise,

no matter what it is, you can't just pretend it's not happening. That's an interesting sound. It's like your mental health. If you're struggling and feeling overwhelmed, it's important to do something about it. It can be as simple as talking to someone, or just taking a deep, calming breath to ground yourself.

Because once you start to address the problem, you can go so much further. The Huntsman Mental Health Institute and the Ad Council have resources available for you at loveyourmindtay.org. This is an IHeart podcast.