Are You A Charlotte? - The Date That Went Very, Very Wrong with Wallace Langham... (S6 E1 "To Market, To Market")

Episode Date: September 21, 2026

Season 6 is officially here! Wallace Langham joins Kristin Davis to revisit his unforgettable Sex and the City date with Carrie, complete with real pigeons, a dozen attempts, and a very creative solution involving his hair. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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and the air date was June 22, 2003. Please enjoy. It's fun, fun talking to him about all actor-least stuff. I remember you originally myself, because I guess start on Larry Sanders. Okay, tell me what you did. I don't think we worked together. No, we did not.

I was on a date with Gary. Oh, my God. It was a double date with Hank and another girl who I don't remember. Did you go to the look around cafe, Hank's Cafe? It was something, yeah, I think it was, but it was pretend, right? It was on a soundstage. Yeah, this revolving restaurant. Yes, it was that.

It revolved. Yes, exactly. It was so trippy. But I was a massive fan of the show, you know, of course, because, I mean, it was so, so unbelievably brilliant. And I had this time. And HBO. And it was like the only show that I really knew from HBO, right?

Yeah. So, because it was like you guys and Dream on. That's correct. Right? Yeah. We were like the first two, and then you guys came along. Yeah, and soprano's kind of at the same time. That's right.

So what do you remember of like the early days of HBO? What was it like over there? Well, gosh, I mean, Sanders was its own kind of island. Yeah. So, and I say that in the best way, because it was Gary. It was Brillstein Gray. It was the genius of like Peter Tolan and Paul Sims and John Ruggie and Steve Levittan and all these, like, everybody who went on to do amazing television, right?

So I'm sure I'm leaving out hundreds of people. Right, but Paul wrote my episode and Paul, you know, works. I mean, everyone there, like everyone there literally just fanned out into the industry. No, it's like, it's like Larry, Gary, Gary. Everybody knows that. I think Danny Carvey called him Galeri just to get it all into one. but Gary like basically had this kind of farm team where he just made great writers and they all came from comedy and and so at any rate. So when I say that, it's like we were kind of like our own little thing.

We'd have a table read on Monday and which was like Christmas to me because I'm like, oh boy, what's going to happen? And then, you know, maybe someone from HBO was there, maybe one or two. people. And then everybody would leave and the Rogers would rewrite. And then we just shoot it. And it's like, and then within that, it's like you're encouraged improv and let's make this better. Got it. Gary was such a genius that he could gut and rework a scene in half an hour. Wow. So it was, you know, a remarkable experience for somebody like me because I didn't, I loved comedy, but I didn't come from, was in a comedy. or anything like that.

And to be encouraged to do that. So in answer your question, the early days of HBO were very hands-off, I thought. Right. Us too. Us too. Very hands-off. Just let you do your thing. Yeah. I mean, it was like unlike any other place that I've been. I did a showtime movie with Brian Ben Ben. Oh, wow. And Diane Keaton and Jennifer Tilly and Laura San Giacomo. Wow. Yeah, it was great.

And I'm like, why am I here? But Brian said he had the same kind of thing with Dream On. Right. Oh, yeah. You know, we're doing what we do. And I think they were just happy to have it. Yeah, definitely you felt that way. You did feel that way.

And it's so interesting because, like, you never know over time what's going to kind of last and have. Like, for me, Larry Sanders at the time, industry-wise, everyone was obsessed with it, right? Right. Whether people were watching or not, you didn't, it wasn't about that. No, it wasn't, but the funny thing was, and I don't know whether you experienced this or not, but it really had that kind of bracket of East Coast, West Coast. Yes. People who, you know, like the first time I went to New York was in 95,

and I saw production. Yeah, like my first Broadway show. Right. And I went backstage, and Megan Malawi was in it, and I went backstage. And somebody recognized me from Sanders. And I was like, no, I'm here to see her. No, no, I want to say hi to you. That was really weird, you know.

That was unusual. That was different. It was unusual. I like that. Because I was just, you know, I always felt like I was doing things that were the one hit wonder, the guest star, what have you. And then it's like, then I'm on a series that is on cable. Right. That you had to pay for.

You can either afford or steal. Right. Totally. Totally. Yeah. People forget that part of it all. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Like taking the coax and just kind of jacking in. the back of the TV. Right. And so it wasn't getting like the audience that you can get today with streaming and the internet. And, you know. Is Larry Sanders on HBO Max? It must be.

It is. And do people still talk to you about it? Like, what's the? Well, here's a crazy thing, which I didn't know because, well, a couple of crazy things. I'll tell you. I, we still live in Studio City. and I was walking home one day, and this woman came out with her dog

from the pet, the veterinarian, and said, hi, my husband is obsessed with you. And this is right after my wife and I, she turned to me, goes, look at this thing. And it was a license plate holder about the Larry Sanders show. And I was like, okay, that's bizarre. That is bizarre.

Five years ago, four or five years ago, something like that. Wow. And so we got put in touch with this guy, and he was just a super great guy who's a TV writer and a fan. And so I had an old letterman's jacket and old Larry Sanders letterman's jacket. And so I ended up giving it to him because I'm like, it's sitting in mothballs collecting dust. And I thought this guy could, you know, he might like it.

So that's the first interesting thing. Wow. People still, well, he was an old fan. Now here's the really interesting thing that I didn't know about. When I got to do Harry Mason, I did a few of those. in the second season. Again, HBO. So good. So great. And the showrunner, who I'm blinking on at the moment, said his son in college said there is a huge Sanders resurgence. Amazing. Among young people. Love it. And so there's like this thing. He said, yeah,

if you walked onto a college campus, you would be mauled because people are really into the show. so it still has legs. I love that. I love that so much. And that must be the same for you and sex in the city, I would imagine. For sure. For sure. I mean, they, at one point, HBO decided to license us out, which was interesting because, you know, for a long time in their original thing, you know, we were held because they wanted people to pay, you know, the price to subscribe, right?

Yes. Then when we ended, they were like, oh, yeah, we're going to put you on the WB or whatever. So we were like, okay, so they cut about half of it out, right? Right. To put it on the networks. we were like, this is very, very strange, right? But did you feel a kind of a ground swell of people watching at that point? I mean, the ground swell, I think, was so big at that point from the original show, right?

Because it was like a cultural thing. Yeah. Didn't notice a change with the WB. Then somehow it gets on to E where it lives for quite some time. Oh, for sure. That's a perfect audience for the show, yeah. But also a little weird for us, right? It's not really what we made it for, but whatever.

Right, right. And that went on for a while, but I also think largely edited, right? Yes. You know. You had to. Right. Yeah. Then Netflix comes along.

The world changes streaming, et cetera. HBO was like, well, let's make some money. Let's license our stuff out, which has also been just not, whatever. Streaming has changed everything. Of course, as you know. And so then we were on Netflix, which that was a huge shift in terms of who the audience was, right? So the younger ladies are now, you know, on board, which is fantastic. And because of social media, you can.

collect and discuss, you know, which is really nice. As people who want to do. Absolutely. And it's so nice to have, I mean, that's part of the reason I did the podcast was because it kind of obvious that like it has legs in a way that you wouldn't have expected and that people are still discussing the actual substance of, you know, the show, like the central questions that Carrie asks. Yes, yes. They're still relevant. It's crazy. I agree. And the funny thing was when I watched, watched the episode was Kim Contrails, is it Amanda? Samantha.

Samantha. Oh, my God. Uh-oh. Fired. No, it's okay. Okay. Samantha. Yes.

Is complaining about a pottery barn going into Hell's Kitchen. Oh, my God, yes. Which is funny and you're like, okay, boy, that's, you know, that's terrible because it's old New York. But, you know, I was there recently and it's even worse now. Oh, it's beyond. It's the same kind of themes happening.

Absolutely. And it's also, isn't this where we're at the, in the meatpacking district? And she's talking about the designers shouldn't be in the meat packing district. I mean, have you been to the meatpacking district lately? It's bonkers. But it's also like, I can see the positive and I can see the negative. Like when I first started rewatching, we filmed the pilot in in 97. And we're downtown and it's dark.

You know what I'm saying? Like it's just dark, right? Yeah. And like, warehousey look. You're glad to be on a film crew because at least you're protected. Exactly. At 2 in the morning as opposed to trying to get home. Totally.

But it's like so different than now that you have to think like, wait, where are we physically? Because it doesn't look the same. You know, like it's very noticeably different. And as we all know, like I lived on the Upper West Side for the longest time and I kept my apartment for a long time. And every time I went back, I mean, things would be closed and things would be open. And you just be like, I just can't keep up. Much like Los Angeles. That's true to.

That is true too. That is true too now that I think about it. I think because I grew up here and it's like I've watched this city change over and over and over and over again. So take us back. We talked about Larry Sanders, which is really fun, but you've been on like 20 million things. So back in back, I don't even know which things to ask you about. So back in 2002, which is probably when we filmed it. Yeah.

No, we could have filmed it early. It could have been 03. Yeah. It could have been three, because probably this is the season where we've started, this is 601. Oh, yeah, it was definitely, it was like February. It was cold. It was probably cold. It was funny because it was unseasonably not cold and we were outside, so it wasn't terrible.

Oh, good. I'm glad. I'm glad. Yeah, yeah. Because you were outside for a really specific reason. Indeed. Your part is so funny and sad and you do it so brilliantly. Like, tell us about, first of all, did you know about us?

Did you want the part? Did you know what was your deal? Yeah. So, yes, I was definitely a watcher. And so, yeah, I thought the show was great. I knew Sarah, Jessica, a little bit. When I was 21, I was the understudy in a play she was doing here in L.A. Oh.

Yeah. And a couple of years before, I had done weird science with Robert. Oh, my God, yes. And so they were dating. And so I knew her. And so I got to understudy all the male parts, which were about three or four of them. And then she was the lead female. And thank God they didn't use me because I could not have covered four different guys.

I mean, that's a lot. There's no way. No way. No, I was just helping a director out that I worked with when I was a kid. At any rate. So Sarah and I had that experience. And then so sweet, you know, to come on to set in 2003. And, you know, I walk in the trailer and she's.

They had there in makeup soon. They never sent me the good ones. They never send me the good ones. Come on. And I was just like, oh, you're killing me. Sweet. So, so great to see her. But it was funny because that audition, so I've been a fan.

Yes, answer your question. Secondly, that audition was the first time I had ever done any kind of self-tape. Oh. Which is now ubiquitous. This is what we're doing. This is how the individual. works now. Wow. But I went to my manager's office and they put in a video cassette. Wow. Wow. I read with one of his assistants and got the job.

That's insane. Yeah, it was insane. You did all this physical comedy on a, like in your manager's office. Yeah. I mean, it was like, I'm sitting in a chair. He's over there and I'm like flopping around like, like, like, yeah, a bad Jerry Lewis. And so got the job. Amazing. Which was great. and then went to New York, had never worked in New York before, and Sarah was so sweet. I knew Pat Fields a little bit through mutual friends. Wow. Okay. Yep.

And then so it was fun to see her. And then Michael couldn't have been great to her. He was fantastic. He directed this one, too. He directed it. And John was there too. Melphy was there too. And Sarah had brought James.

That was her son. Yeah, the baby. Yeah, as a baby. Yeah, exactly. He's not anymore. No, I know. At that point, he was. I was telling my wife.

Yeah, he's probably close to 30 now. I mean, I'm in denial. I'm in denial. We'd have to do the math, but probably, yeah, that's really upsetting to think about. Yeah. Very, very upsetting to think about. Well, yes. Let's not dwell on it.

You're right. You're right. Let's, yes. We're back. He's a baby. He's adorable. We're babies. We're babies.

Absolutely. I have more hair. It's great. Your hair looks great. Oh, thanks. You're welcome. The long loading times. The glitchy video calls.

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Do we remember? I don't know if there was a plan, but I'll tell you what happened. Tell me. So I get to set, I think it was written into the script that that was all going to happen, right? So when I get there, you know, we're setting up outside. And I don't know whether they had a stunt coordinator or they're just letting me do my bits, which I'm fine with because I love a good physical bit. Nice. And I'm talking to a lady who is the pigeon wrangler.

Wow. So we had real pigeons. Oh, they were real pigeons. Impressive. Yes. And quite a few, I think, maybe up to five, six, something like that. Wow. Okay.

Okay. And so she was in charge of making sure the gag worked. She placed the background pigeons, if you remember the episode. They pan off of this, these two very quiet pigeons going, coo, coo, you know, and then down to us. So they had the background pigeons. And then they had the hero pigeon, which is supposed to land on my head. So now, getting a pigeon to land on your head apparently is a lot. harder than one would think.

I don't think they use treats or anything in my hair. No. Okay. Okay. But maybe they should have. Because the thing that ended up happening is that the Wrangler who's off screen is very gingerly tossing the pigeon towards my head. That's scary. But just fine. Okay.

You know, I'm like, okay, I'm committed. So, you know, it would hit me in the ear. Or it would flop on my shoulder and fall off or it would hit my head and slide off. Oh my God. You know, I mean, it didn't know what to do. I'm sure it was happier just like, can I be a background pigeon and just sit and be chill for a while? I'm hung over. This city is crazy.

But, no, what they ended up having to do was they took a bunch of bobby pins and built a plan. and built a platform in my hair for the pigeon to kind of grab onto. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Like a perch. It was a little platform. Oh my God.

Adorable. Yeah. And that worked? It worked once because they got the shot. Got it, got it, got it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then did they get the thing out of your hair? No, well, they left it in for the day until I was done just in case they wanted to have more.

So the initial one. And the one that went well was when there was the little toss gently and gingerly. She was very lovely with the pigeons. And then the pigeon would land. And it like kind of stood there for a little bit. And I noticed. And then I kind of flip out and it goes away. So we got that once.

It took about 10 to 12 tries maybe. Wow, wow, wow, wow. Yep. And then the second one, the second lob was. sort of on my shoulder and flopped around and, you know, but that was fine. Pigeon acting. Oh my gosh. Pigeon acting. Now, the humans in the scene, we did about three or four takes, very professional, you know. Sarah Jessica is a pro. Of course, of course, of course. I'm flopping around like a bad done nuts. I mean, you had a lot to do. Yes, I do. Wow. Yes. And it was so good.

Oh, thank you. And the funny thing was whenever I would watch sex in the city, I was like, watching these guys who had guest star, and I was thinking, that would never happen. Oh, no, there's no way that would ever happen. You know, like, like they would be put in these ridiculous fun situations. Yes. And then here I am with a very extreme, yeah, a very extreme.

At least you weren't like funky spunk or something. Mm-mm. Right. No, I was saved that. Yeah, you really were. You really were. Yeah, it was sweet and kind of sad. Yeah.

Yeah. And I love the whole point of it, which is that, At this point, she hasn't gone on her first date with Burger and she's building it up and she's buying outfits and stressing about it or whatever. And we're all like, you know, Samantha's like, don't worry about it. You know, everyone's got their point of view about it. And then she decides, she takes Samantha's, I guess, advice to go out with you as like a breaking the ice with a... I think you even corroborate. I think I did she even gets on board too.

Yeah, yeah. I think she's like, yeah, you're going to do this. Right. She's spinning out so much that I'm like, yeah, yeah, take the pressure up. Yeah, shake the nerves out. Right. I think it's so great. And then, like, at the end, because it's such a mess and you're so nervous, you're so adorable.

And then she's like, she has some line about, like, one person's first date is another person's bad date or whatever. You know what I'm saying? It's some sweet, like, you know, it puts things in perspective for her. And then at the end, she ends up calling Berger, like, kind of, she runs into him in the neighborhood of the movie theater. She calls him on a pay phone. Exactly, with the quarters and everything. Back in the day, you could use a telephone. I know, I know.

A public telephone, and you put a dime and then later a quarter. Yes. Into the slot, dial your number and have a conversation on the phone. And she knew the number, which also cracked me out, right? And I guess he had a cell phone. Sure. Because we do have the cell phones already in the show, right? But it's that weird, awkward time where there's both.

Yes. But she doesn't have hers because it takes Carrie a long time to get a cell phone for some freezes. That's right. Yeah, she was old school. And then she got that flip phone. She had the memory to... She had the number, man. She got his number. I mean, I had so many thoughts when she went to that payphone.

Like, I remembered how they used to smell. I was a little concerned about germs. Yes. Like, I had a very 2026 viewpoint. I was like, oh, God, don't touch it! And then I was like, no, she has to make the calls. Totally. But you know how there are some still, like, you can find them, but they don't have the receiver.

Yes. And they just stink, like, to high heaven. Well, yeah. they haven't been cleaned since 78. And why are they still there? You know, but my whole thing is just always checking the slot for a dime or a quarter. Smart. Smart.

Smart. Yeah. Smart, Wally, smart. I mean, it is so funny to watch, like, the details change over time, you know. Uh-huh. But I do love it. Like, I miss those, those things. I know.

It's so analog and we don't have that anymore. But maybe we'll go back. Maybe we'll just, like, be like, you know what? we don't want to be killed by AI. Maybe we should just chuck the whole idea. Well, we can only hope. I love a simpler time. I'm definitely someone who likes to be able to, almost like a carpenter,

likes to be able to make that cut and look at that angle and see that work. And great, I did that. Look what I did. You know, as opposed to being theoretical and trying to figure out something that I just. don't have the math for because I'm not that bright. I agree with you. I mean, I also think in a weird way, that's what's fun about acting, right? And, you know, like, because you go, it's a certain challenge of the day.

Like, you're talking about the pigeon. Like, you're seen, of course, with Sarah is the most important part, but that part's easy, right? Because you're a great actor. You know, you're, you're... I have a great partner, too, so it's easy. Yeah, absolutely. All the things are there. All the things that you need are there.

Yeah. Dialogue's great. And Michael's great, great director, blah, blah. But yeah, you have to have a pigeon land on your head. So you're like, oh, you're like, okay, you have to be a part of the team. How do we solve this problem? And then you guys get, everyone gets together on the set.

That's what I love about it. Like it's very hands-on in a weird way, though it's also a kind of magical thing. Well, yeah, I think that the luxury of it is that you, you know, you bring in the crew and the lights and the thing and the sound and everything. And you set up this place to exist. Yeah. And then, yeah, it's then it's boots on the ground. how do we solve any problem that comes up. Right, right, which is fun.

It's great. It's really fun. It's great. And the other thing that I thought about when I was watching your scene, number one, it's just such a sweet scene. And number two, the crazy pigeon, which I wanted to hear about. Number three, just the physical comedy. Like, had you had a lot of opportunity before to do that. Yeah, I, um, let's see, physical comedy, comedy per se.

No, but. Because it's kind of rare, I feel like. Yeah, it is. actually to be able to be that physical with all of it. But physical comedy, it was more stunt work. I'd actually done a lot of, like at that time I was, sorry, when in my younger years, like 19 and in my 20s, doing like independent films and stuff where you had to do your own stunts.

Yeah. And I love doing that. I loved, you know, taking a punch or falling down or whatever. That stuff's fine, but it's hard. It is. It is. Yeah. Yeah.

It is, and, but better than getting punched, because I walked into a, I walked into a stuntman demonstrating a punch to someone. And I'm like, I thought my jaw was, uh, was broken. But, uh, he wasn't even going full bore. But, um, no, that was, uh, I love physical comedy. I, I, I got to do, yeah, so that was like a playground for me because it was the chair. And, and, uh, Michael, we all talked about, like, how do you want this? Do you want it big and this and that? And he was great. He was like, just do it.

It was great. Surprise me. It was so good. And so it evolved. It evolved from falling backwards. And then it came, you know, then I came up and pushed the table over. Oh, wow. So like all this stuff that kind of expanded as, you know, like you said, you have this kind

of contained environment where you can, you know, just make stuff up. Also, I think with physical comedy, if they do. you give you some room, like you have the thing that you're trying to do, right, and the effect that you want it to have in the scene and the other character. But if you're not too locked in, then you can really just play and have fun. Oh, for sure. Yeah, I love that so much. But it's hard and not everyone can do it.

So I think it's just so great that you're so good at things that you wouldn't necessarily, because you also are like the straight man. So it was interesting that you can. Well, to try to keep, it was funny because of the Simu Date, it was a very, It seems like a departure of a date that wouldn't really happen in reality, but the fact that it is happening was so just remarkable and so great for Carrie to go like, oh, I don't have anything to worry about this guys. Totally.

This is a disaster. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm just going to go see a movie with Burger. Great. Right, right, right, right. So, no, it was a blast. The long loading time. the glitchy video calls.

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Listen to Stuff to Blow Your Mind on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Tell me again, so you're here in LA, you self-tape to get our job, which is also kind of crazy. Yep. Right? Like, I don't even know how people do this nowadays because you're just by yourself. I can tell you how they do it. Tell me. Tell me everything.

I'm doing it every week. You are? Oh, yeah. No way. At home. Yeah, at home. Tell me your process. It's an iPhone and a ring light and I have a plug-in microphone that I can attach to my shirt.

And you catch me here to here. And, you know. Do you learn your lines or do you hold the script? I learn my lines. Got it. Because I feel like that works better. I think so. It puts a lot of pressure or it did initially put a lot of pressure on me.

Right. And my lovely wife is behind the camera doing hair, makeup. Wow. Amazing. Directing. Fantastic. And camera work. Yay.

Yes. And also reading. Amazing. Amazing. Yes. She does it all. So I'm lucky. Yes.

But before I would go into like a self-tape place and work with somebody, you know, that's fine. But I prefer this. I don't have to leave my house. Yeah. And sometimes I can wear shorts. Wow. And you wouldn't even know it. Amazing.

So let's say you self-tape because I don't do this that much, right? I've done it like twice. I'll tell you what to do. Tell me what to do. But also this is what I'm curious about. Yeah. Then afterwards, like let's say they're like, yeah, Wally's right for this part. Do you meet people?

Or they just phone you up and say like, show up here. 99% of the jobs that I get is you've got the job and then you show up. Wow. But having said that, there are, I've heard of, I haven't dealt with this, but sometimes you'll get a redirect. Like we love to the read, but could he or she do, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So then you self-tape again. Then you do it again.

crazy. I know. Oh, my God. I know. Like in the olden days, it was all in the room in person. And they direct you and you show that you could take direction. Oh, I know. And I went in my first in-person audition earlier this year and just, it was just a hoot. It was just so much fun. I know. Yeah. And I like walked in and I was like, I'm oddly not nervous. Because it takes the onus off in person, whereas back in the olden days, it was scary to be in person because also sometimes there'd be like so many people there and the vibe would be weird. Right? It was the worst.

Right? It was the worst. I remember when I was reading for Larry Sanders, and I was in a room, Gary and his producer were across the hall. Oh. And there was other actors in the room with me waiting. Okay. Okay. And so we were waiting to go into that room across the hall.

Got it. Right. And, you know, we're waiting, and I'm sitting there with my sides. and Gary pokes his head in as he's walking to the hallway. He goes, yeah, I don't think I want to be in this room. And then he keeps walking. He's so silly. He's so funny.

But, yeah, just the nerves. It was crazy. Right, but now you just want human beings in front of you. I know. I thought I didn't. Yeah, it's interesting. For the first couple of years, because this all happened during the 2020, yeah, yeah.

For the first few years, I'm like, are you kidding? me, this is a jackpot. I don't have to drive an hour to Santa Monica to sit in traffic, to sit for another half an hour to do my thing for 10 minutes and then drive two hours home. Good point. That's great. Right. You know, and I thought it was going to be a lot easier. It was fun, but the novelty wore off very quickly. Yeah. Yeah. And so I'm glad that casting is open to having in person. And, you know, this, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, I was going to get to next.

Because when we were doing the casting for him just like that, it was like 20, one, I want to say. And it was so fascinating. So, especially for the younger people who are playing our kids, right? Who, I mean, probably didn't know about real regular casting, right? Because they were young during COVID, right? Right. Right. And they're self-tape.

were incredible. I can only imagine how hard they worked on it at home with their parents, Jordy Veed. They were like so good. And then we had to do this group Zoom with like so many people. We were trying to talk because like our producers and casting and them

and it was not conducive. I was like you can't judge anyone's personality or whatever from that. It's tough. Right? Yeah, I would think it would be tough because when you get in the room you know, you see the human being.

And, you know, listen, I've had auditions in the room where I think that I have just completely ruined it. And I walk out and actually it went well and I just couldn't tell. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know. Of course. So it's like you never know.

You never know what they're looking for, what quality it is that they want that you just happen to have. Definitely. And so, yeah, I do miss going back in the room. Me too. I mean, I also just like to talk to people. It's nice to talk to people. I agree.

Yeah, and it's hard on Zoom to really talk to. Yeah, it is. It does feel a little bit like the, you know, the hamburger mill where it's like, put in the grinder, let's go. Okay. Next. Yep. So, yeah, I agree with you.

You know, and I try to bring that to any of the Zoom sessions or what have you because it's like, hey, we're talking and like, how's it? going. I'm great. How are you? You know? Yeah, yeah. And so, interestingly enough, I've gotten feedback from certain auditions where it's like, he was so nice to me. I didn't expect that from an actor. It's like, it's so nice. I think because usually they're just scared. Yeah. Do what I mean? You're like, I don't know even who's who's all in the waiting room of this. Whatever. It's so weird. Well, the cast, it was on the casting in. The casting in were like, they're like, wow, he was so nice to, like, they don't expect it anymore. They're like, okay, we got to do this. And like, yeah. So it's

Like, yeah. Yeah, it's a whole different. It's a whole different. I mean, you've been acting for so long. You must have just seen so many changes. Like, what do you think of the current situation? Oh, yeah. It's, um, crazy.

Wow, it is, yeah. I mean, when you put it like that, I have been, I'm very old. No, I'm kidding. No, it's not what I meant. No, it's, uh, yes, it has changed drastically and dramatically. And, um, the interesting thing that I can say about it is that, the creativity, getting to the creativity can happen much faster and it used to as far as people getting things made, people, getting them on air and things like that. It's almost instantaneous

now, which is fascinating to me because this was always my complaint, you know, back when I started and we were shooting on film. It's like, you know, first it's, you go in, you have. You have, You meet the casting director. Then you come back and meet the casting director again. Then you meet the producer. And then you meet the studio people. And then you go to the network. And then you wait.

And then maybe you get it. And then if you get it, then you have to shoot it. And then it's not going to be out for another six months. Totally. Yes. So that's, you know, interesting to me because I, I guess, look, if I can make a stupid analogy, not sounds so pretentious. it almost feels like you're doing sculpture.

It's like if I took clay and I could mold it and put it into the thing, it's like I see what I've done. And with the technology now, it's so easy. We're on, you know, shooting on a couple of phones and there's a couple of lights. And it's bingo. It's right there. You could stop, rewind it, look at it and go, yeah, I didn't like that. Maybe I'll change this and I could do that.

That's true. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that to me is a little more fascinating than. That's a good point. Yeah. I hadn't thought about it that way. It's true. And I also think I've been meeting people lately out in the world because I left the house.

And, you know, sometimes I get to meet people here who are young and, like, started by putting videos on Instagram. Now have shows. It's so impressive. That's the part that I feel like such a dinosaur about because that's not my path. No. You know. It's not, we didn't have that opportunity. No.

And it's so impressive to me that they can do that. Like the self-generated. Yes. element is amazing. Yeah, anybody can do it. And that's what's interesting is that the, that everybody, I was saying this to my wife the other day is like, everyone's a cameraman. Everyone's talking to themselves or they're talking about their food or they're, you know, they're just documenting their life. And so there's an ease to it that I certainly had to, and I'm not great at it still. It's like, you know,

I'll get on set and be like, hi, everybody. I'm nervous, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But they've grown up in front of, you know, just being out there. It's so true. And for us, dinosaurs, it's a whole adjustment. And it's so interesting. Like sometimes Cynthia and I went out to these Emmy parties

because she didn't bring her wife trip. And so she was like, come out with me. I was like, okay. So the first night we go out, we have a great time. We see so many people. It's a big thing. And we take no pictures, right? Because we forget.

Yeah. Do what I'm saying? Yeah. We just don't think about it. We were enjoying other people, you know? Yeah, yeah. And then she texts me like, did you take any pictures? I was like, shit.

I forgot. Did you take any pictures? She's like, I didn't. I was like, oh my God, I have to ask my manager. Did he take any pictures? No, because he's our age, right? Right. So then the next night we were like, we're going to do better.

We're going to do better. We completely forgot. Good. We took no pictures. We were having so much fun. You know what? I just celebrate that. Right.

And I'm glad you didn't. Thank you. I agree. It's really interesting, isn't it? No, because it's like when the goal is to take pictures, I think it takes me out of the moment. It takes me out of the moment. I'm not going to talk about anybody else,

but it takes me out of the moment. Even to such a degree, like even when my wife and I are out, it's like, can I get a picture? No, we're just having a nice time. You're right, we're having a nice time. Right, right, right. You're pictures for me. I'm not, I don't post.

I'm not on any social media. I don't do any of that. But it's, it's more from my memory, but I'm like, no, I have the memory. I had the experience. It's so true. It's so true. The good news for us was that there were professional photographers at both of these events.

Congratulations. So there are pictures. Yes. We just had to find them. By the way, there will always be pictures. Well, I mean, sometimes not, though. Oh, come on. No, honestly.

You can't step out of your door and go to an event and not expect somebody to have a picture of you. I mean, that's a good point. That's a good point. But like, I guess because we didn't, we didn't have them to. do with what, as we chose. You know what I'm trying to say? Because both she and I are on social media. We have young ladies who help us. I call them the digital girlies. We have the digital girlies and they were kind of sad that we had not done better. And that's an obligation that you want to have. Right. Yeah. I totally get it. Yes. And so, but the, the thing that you really

put your finger on is the fact that you're from an age where you just are enjoying your friend. Absolutely. And it's not about that. No, it's not. It's not. It's not. It's not presentational or whatever, or performative, I guess.

Yes. Yeah. The worst case scenario. Yeah. But also it's interesting because, like, it's so powerful also to connect online, right? So, like, digitally you can make connections in good ways. Instantaneously.

Instantaneously, like we were talking about. So there's positives and negatives. It's so interesting. Anyway, you guys, this is so much fun that we are going to have to have a part two. So join us later in the week on RU.S. Charlotte. Hi, this is Kylie Breakman. Angel Geratana. Jeremy Colhain.

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