Are You A Charlotte? - The Girls go to Hollywood with Jennifer Elise Cox... (S3 E14 "Sex and Another City")

Episode Date: February 12, 2026

Kristin shocks us with the offer she got as a result of this episode and her own personal dating story that was WAY too similar to Miranda’s storyline in this episode.And, Jennifer Elise Cox returns with a Vince Vaughn BTS revelation.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to two guys, five rings on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, I'm Kristen Davis, and I want to know, are you a Charlotte? Welcome back, everybody, to Are You a Charlotte? We have the incredible Jennifer Lease Cox with us, part two. Thanks for joining us. Here we go. Okay, so we're outside. We've made it to where they're at your event,

where you don't let Samantha and Carrie into the after party. So mean of you, but so funny. Because they haven't seen the movie, which is so L.A. So L.A. and so funny that they're like, no one sees the movie. No, we live for movies out here, people. That's our job. It's a movie town. Yeah.

You're like, definitely no. And also now it is true. there's like little youngsters like you were at the time, like little people with those lists, like little young people. Oh my God, they're out there. They're out there. On a power trip. Right.

Yeah. All right. Whatever makes you feel powerful. Totally. Totally. But you do it well. You wield your power well. So then they're like, oh, what are we going to do?

So Samantha goes off to get the car and of course it's going to take an hour, which is so true. Maybe two. Oh, my God. Could be two hours. Especially at that time at an event. Totally. You are stuck, man. And you might get another car.

I did get another car one night. And you're just like, that's not my car. Totally. Sometimes you get in the wrong car. I've done that. I've done that. You're just like, thank God a car is here. And you get in it.

And then you realize, no, that's not. It's not my car. No. But luckily, outstrolls a very tall glass of water named Vince Vaughn, who's talking on the phone. This is when the confusion starts. He's talking on the phone about like, he's saying something like, well, when she can get back to me, you know, tell her, you know,

I'm in an event. I'm busy. Like he seems very powerful in himself, right? But he's probably talking to Carrie Fisher and she's like, get cat food. Totally, totally. But you have no idea because he really pulls it off, right? Like he really seems like, I hold the power. I hold the power.

So he walks out and, of course, he's delicious looking and Carrie's there looking also very delicious with a lot of highlighter on her face. I might add. It is and it's shiny. It's shiny, man. It's pink highlighter. It looks beautiful. Yeah, we used to have those pallets by, oh my God, I'm not going to remember her name. She still makes makeup, but it's not so popular now as it was.

Then we had a palette. It had like, like, you know, white, pink, like, like, uh, tanner. All shiny. And we would open the palette and we would take our hand. We would just rub our whole face. I love it. I love that you're talking about the makeup because they think people want to know about the makeup. Do you think, Trish McAvoy is Trish McAvoy.

Yes. And I mean, like, we went through them, like where our hands would be on the metal. You know what I mean? Oh, my God. And we would, like, our shoulders. shoulders and our color bone and our chin. They must have given you a ton of makeup. Eventually, I don't think it had happened.

Maybe third season is when it started coming. Good. Yeah, it came all kind of crazy makeup and skincare and we would just use all of it. And I did end up ruining my skin. Oh, no. I did. Yeah, I got rosacea. Because I would just put on whatever they sent.

Yeah. Like, it was a big glycolic acid time. Oh. I don't like glycolic acid. No, no. It would burn the but cheese is out of me. But I would just be slathering myself and whatever. whatever, because I thought I had wrinkles.

Ha ha ha ha ha. What on earth, right? Right. I know. When you look at yourself when you're younger, we were so hard on ourselves. I know it. I look at myself in that episode and I was like, oh, I wish I looked like that. I mean, you're gorgeous.

You're gorgeous now. Like your eyes, you know, you have all the things. But yes, back then we were little babies and we didn't know it. And we didn't know it. And also, the world was very hard on us at the time. Yeah. If we had lived through the 90s, we had been through the ringer. They say most murders happened in the 90s.

Wow. Okay, that's a different podcast, Jennifer. Sorry. Interesting. Interesting. So out walks Keith Traverse. That is Vince von. And for some reason, he says, representing Matt Damon.

Yeah, where's that to go? That's why she thinks he's an agent. Yeah. Right. But it's interesting that he says that. But also then once he, so he gets them in the party. so he seems to actually have power. And then someone comes up to him and goes, hey, you know, there's a VIP room.

So he, I mean, but that's because he's an assistant to everybody, which we now know, right? But they don't know this. And they don't even know the dynamic of an assistant having so much power because, yes, assistance will a lot of power, especially if you are somehow Matt Damon, Ben Affleck, Carrie Fisher, and, wait, there was another. Penny Marshall. Penny Marshall. Oh, my God.

I mean, if you somehow could manage those four people. Pretty amazing. Wow. Right? Like, why were they all sharing an assistant? What on earth? Why were they sharing an assistant? I don't know.

And I love how in the episode they talk about, like, this home is so expensive, $3 million. Oh, my God. Every time they said it, I was dying. I was dying. Every time I said that, I was like, wait, wait, is that even accurate? Is that even accurate? I don't know.

But also, we don't know how many bedrooms because they only go to that big room with the view. But we, anything for $3 million. I mean, anything anywhere. So cheap. Yes. I'm with you. I'm like, what? What?

Anyway, we're back to the episode. Lovely beautiful Vince Bond walks out and he's like so, so charming. Good God, right? And Terry's like giggling. We're all so short. That's what's funny. Everyone is like little tiny and he's a giant. He's giant and thin and dress beautifully.

I mean, he looks fantastic. Yeah. Okay. It was very impressive. So, and then he's representing Matt Damon. So they go inside. And then he's like, oh, there's a VIP party. Then he asks her to go to lunch and she agrees, but then they have to go, look at this house.

And it shows them driving up the hill. It's so L.A., right? It reminded me. Hollywood Hills, right? Yeah. And it reminded me of the studio. Did you watch the studio? Oh, yes.

And all those driving where they, at that car episode where they're driving from here to there and here to there. It reminded me of that. They drive up. They look at this incredible house. She thinks he's looking and she's like, wow, why do you need so much space? And he's like, I guess I don't. And then they make out. Which is also like, why?

They're making out against the glass. I know. They're almost doing it. It's very hot. It's very hot. It's very hot. And then the realtor comes out and then Sarah's embarrassed, but he's not embarrassed. I'm like, you wouldn't be embarrassed, Carrie.

You know, it's L.A., whatever. People are making out all the time. But I wasn't there to say that. I'm so uptight. I'm uptight like Charlotte. I'm like, oh, stop. Really? I'm thinking to myself like, stop making out.

There's a person there. Oh, yeah. No, no. That really would be like, I'm going to sell this. house, he'd be totally into it. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, it'd be fine. They're digging it.

They're making out. You know what I mean? Do whatever you want. Then, so that, oh, then they go, Carrie says she's starting to like L.A., which of course, you know something bad's going to happen. You know we're going to take a turn after we've said that, because that can't, that can't last, that can't last.

So then she goes to a date as supposedly Keith's house, which is, of course, beautiful. They're in the hot tub. It's L.A. It's so L.A. Like it feels so L.A. And they're in the hot tub. They're making out.

Then it's the morning. And who should come in? But Carrie Fisher. And she says something like, did you feed the cats or whatever? It's all very funny. And it turns out that Keith is, in fact, a personal assistant. And Gary Fisher thinks Carrie's a prostitute.

That's so funny. It's so funny. And it goes on for so long. And poor Carrie tries to tell her, no, no, I'm a columnist. Carrie Fisher is unmoved. She's like, mm-hmm. You know, she's not convinced. Not at all.

Not at all. And also, I mean, it's interesting, Carrie's reaction, like, she holds it together more than I would have if Carrie Fisher walked in. Yeah, absolutely. Right. It was all very, very interesting.

Like, I kind of feel like I need to rewatch that part again. There's a lot going on just in that scene. And that episode, there's so much going on. There's so much going on. which is how I feel of all of our episodes, but especially fill the LA ones, it's just jam-packed. And because visually,

it's also so different. Right. So much to take in. So gorgeous, the palm trees and the car and the, you know, the outfits are like amped up a bit, you know.

It's pretty great. So then we're at the Playboy Mansion, also in those crazy, crazy outfits. And then they're in the grotto, which is scary. And I wasn't there for all that, right? I wasn't there for all of it.

I don't know. Yeah, I don't know what was going on. And then they took a turn. They take the wrong turn. Turn. And then Carrie says, it's time to go home. And you're like, yes, it's time to go home.

They get home and Carrie goes into her apartment. You just feel so relieved. You do. And she gets to smoke inside her own apartment. Totally. And be with the real stuff in her apartment because she's like, everything in here is real. Right. That's important.

That's important. And I mean, I get. that about LA, I don't feel like that's so true anymore, though I'm probably not objective anymore. But I feel like, especially because New York has also really changed, not to say that it's not real, but like it's kind of, it's pretty bougie. It's a bougie. Good word, good word. And I love New York, but it's definitely, I grew up in New York, so it's definitely busier than it used to be. Right, right. But it's still fabulous. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, you have to go far out in Brooklyn now to find not bougie. And it is there. It is there. Maybe Bushwick.

Bushwick. Right? Yeah. Right. I've read about this being a trend. Okay, let's talk about Samantha for a second. I totally forgotten about the whole fake Fendi storyline. And I think it's so interesting because we don't ever mention child labor or anything because maybe that would be too heavy.

But like since then, there's been a lot of education about why you can make a cheap bag, you know, that looks the same. But then also there was, I can't remember which brand it was. And I probably shouldn't say. but there was some brand where they found that the true brand was also using child labor and that the bag costs a tiny, tiny fraction of what they charge. And I feel like now there's a lot more thought and education into fast fashion versus real versus child labor versus not versus what are actually buying. Not to say that the brands aren't still important. They are.

But back then, I feel like that was just the rise of the brand, right? Right. The fact that this guy is selling the fake Fendi's and Samantha's like, you can't tell. until you look inside. And then it says made in China. I mean, it's all very funny, but like also still so relevant. Completely relevant. And that's what's interesting.

Sex in the City. I feel like every episode is still relevant. I know. It's amazing. I mean, there are certain things where you'll, like we are talking on the landline phones, you know, sometimes that are so funny. And in the beginning, there's the pay phones. So adorable.

Right. So adorable. There's things like that that are just like things you reminisce about. But the through line, the bigger storylines are very relatable, which is why we're here talking about it. It lives on. I think it lives on even more.

I agree. It's gotten even more popularity. We had no idea. We had no idea. Do you mean? Like the success in general, the first time, was amazing to us.

I bet. Yeah. Yeah, because you never know. You could be making a great show and it could not be popular. You know what I mean? Yeah, you never know. And now it's just craziness in our industry.

So Samantha is in L.A. You know, she's going around. You know, she sees Hugh Hefner, who's basically the celebrity citing that she wanted, which is kind of funny, but I guess makes sense, right? And then she goes out shopping, and she's wearing that insane hat, which I had not remembered it all with like the pieces. That black hat. Yeah.

It's a big hat. I don't know how they talked Michael Patrick into it. Yeah. But they did. And then she buys the fake fendie because she's spending all her money on clothes. And she's walking down. Rodeo, which I feel like she does later on, like in the movie maybe?

Yeah. Don't we have a, for some reason, she goes to L.A. at some point in the future. Yes, that's when she's managing. Smith Jarritt. Smith, Jarratt. Good one, yes. And she's got a Mercedes and she's shopping. She's got a little dog. Oh, a cute

little dog. Right? Yeah. Yeah, we haven't even gotten there. But it's kind of an interesting like, you know, beginning of what we're going to see. Yeah. Yeah. And I thought, oh gosh, I, some Sometimes I remember visuals. Like I had remembered that hat, but I thought that was in the later time that she comes to Odale.

But no, it's way back in the third season. It seems later. Doesn't it? Yeah. I agree totally. Then let's talk about Miranda for a second. So Miranda goes off to meet Lou from Letterman. And this is just so, so funny.

And he's not, he's, he's, he's not angry anymore. So that's exciting for her and makes her go like, hmm, you know, should maybe I try to be less angry. So for a little bit, it kind of works. And he asked her to go on a hike. and she looks like, you know, slightly traumatized, which is kind of funny too, because this is what everyone here does.

I know. I don't want to do it. You don't want to do it? No, I'm not into hiking. I hiked so much. I mean, this is Martian. I used to hike all the time. I used to hike with everyone.

That was our, that was what we did, because I'm sober, so I don't, you know what I mean? We hiked. That's so awesome. And we hiked. I haven't hiked that much lately. The fires ruined some of my hiking places, though. I think one of them reopened.

But yeah, I used to hike every day. Will Rogers is open. Yeah. That's what I mean. But it's not all open. It's not all open. I know, and I'm just kind of scared to go. You know what I mean? I'll go with you. Will you? Yeah. Okay. I thought you didn't want to hike, though.

But you know what's nice? They have the lawn. You can just picnic on the lawn. Really pretty. Yeah, you don't have to hike, right? You don't have to, like, sweat. I like it. Okay, cool, cool, cool, cool. Welcome to the A building.

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Completely away and really good. And he's writing for a hit sitcom that somehow about people in New York. And I was trying to think like they're not talking about friends, are they? Friends. Were they talking about friends? Okay. He's talking about friends because Sarah Jessica is like, and there's a feisty waitress. That's true.

Oh, my God. I didn't put it together, did it? Thank you. And at one point, they make some joke about how you couldn't afford this apartment, the New York apartment. And I'm like, it's so funny because this is also things people say about us. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah, totally. But your apartments were a lot more accurate, I thought.

Well, my apartment had to do with Trey, right? And then before Trey, you never see my whole apartment anyway, right? Yeah. And then her apartment, I feel like is very accurate, except that it was supposedly on 76th Street, which is so bizarre. And somehow I hadn't remembered that because we all was filmed on Perry Street, which is where I thought it was. So I mean, that was a big like, what? When we started the podcast. I'm like, she lives on the Uprayside?

What? Apparently she does. Or did, did, did because she moved to Gramercy Park. That's where we left her in the old beautiful apartment. Gramercy Park so beautiful. So beautiful. I lived Gramercy Park adjacent at one point. Beautiful.

My father had a studio 15 Gramercy Park. and the keys to the park. So beautiful. Amazing. Amazing. Best real estate in New York. Best real estate in New York. So we had a deal for that apartment there that was a real place, you know, with a beautiful gate in the balcony in the front and the stained glass door.

You know, it's all so beautiful down there. The ones that have been, you know, kept nicely. And right towards the end of the third season, they were like, no, we don't want you guys to film down here. Why? Because there was someone down there. I really should be saying none of this, but it's great fun because now I can because the show is over. There was someone on the park, right? So, you know, like, if you're facing the park, that's like the prime real estate and you're all part of the group that gets the keys.

You know what I'm saying? You're kind of the, yeah. And he was remodeling his brownstone and he didn't want to compete with the trucks and whatever when we would work. And everyone suspected that he was doing things without permit. Now I know if none of this is true, which is why I can say it, right? But he went to the neighborhood agreement people or whatever, you know, the committee and said, like, we've got to pull there. I'm not going to let them work. And everybody in our world was in just a whole panic.

So Sarah had to go and film things through the end of the season before they pulled it away. I know. But we had built almost the whole thing on a lot, you know, a studio. So like her whole backyard was built. so that we could flood it because they flooded it. They built the garden and that had to be controlled because the weather in New York is, you know, you can't control that. Yeah. So they built all of that, which was great.

But we had to film the front because we couldn't recreate that. No way. Yes, way. That's like the Brady Bunch. Is it? Yeah. They had the front of the house and then shot inside. Was it the house?

The house. They just used the exterior for the television show and then everything shot on the side stage. I love stories like that. Thank you so much for telling us that. It's interesting, right? I know the weird stuff you have to do with. Okay, so wait, Samantha. Sorry, no, Miranda, Miranda, with this guy, Lou.

So Lou is a writer. And then at one point when he doesn't want to eat the food, she's like, but you're a writer. You're not even on camera. And he's like, but people look at me or whatever. And I just know that was all of our writers going through the fact that, like, you have to get on stage now. You have to do press.

You have to get on stage with us when we win things. Thank God we're running things. But you know what I'm saying? Like, it is a lot of pressure. And nobody wants a fat story editor. No, that's what he says. That's what he says. I mean, I don't know if that's true or not, but I understand the facts.

I want a fat story editor. That means that, like, they're writing good jokes. And, you know, they're having fun. That's a good point. That's a good point. I mean, yeah, that person, Letterman Lou, might be taking a little too hard. But I do feel like our writers felt the pressure. The pressure.

Yeah, I do. I do. We should have one of them back to, talk to us about it. Yeah. But I mean, I, yeah, I do. Because I think that this was the time when things were getting so much more kind of heightened in terms of people watching and us getting nominated for stuff.

And the first time we went to the Golden Globes when we won, I mean, we were like, what? You know, Michael's got like a full curly afro. It's so adorable. He has this Irish crow. Totally. It's like the cutest thing in the world. But we did not know what we were doing.

So funny. Like we didn't have stylists. I don't think I went to Richard Tyler and tried on dresses that were like in the window. Do you know what I'm saying? They were so nice to me. He was so nice to me. But there was another woman at the first Golden Globes that we went to wearing my same dress because it was in the window. It was like anyone could walk in there and buy it.

You know what I mean? We didn't know what we were doing at all. At all. But that's amazing. I think back to just the innocence, you know? Yeah. It's kind of fun. It's adorable.

It's adorable. I mean, yes, things could go wrong. but also it was sweet. It was like sweet times. It's unhappy and innocent. And shocked, you know, by it all. Shocked. Shocked.

But I think also the writers were going through that, which is why they're writing this. Because we'd, I think, run our first Golden Globe before the season or during the season or sometime soon around. I don't know. I should figure these dates out. But, you know, sometime around now, right? And it was raining that day.

So, like, I have terrible, terrible hair that first time I won the Golden Globe. You've never had terrible hair. Oh, you're so sweet. Your hair has never looked. You're so sweet. I think it looked pretty bad. Oh, yeah. Then let's talk about Charlotte for a second.

Because this is one of those scenes. There are occasionally times where I'm looking back and I'm like, yeah, I don't think I did great in that scene. When I, so I come. I'm very hard of myself. I know. So I'm still in New York. I did love that we see this scene of Trey and I, where I'm all dressed up.

And I say like, how did I do? And he says, you did great. And everything's beautiful and so perfect. And then I'm like, you know, I have an idea, doctor or whatever I say. And then he's like, oh, no. now I'm going to go on a run. And I say, maybe we should think about Viagro. He's like, don't you know it's dangerous and heart problems running my family?

And then he goes out to run. It's like so sad. And I didn't know that Viagra is bad for men's heart. I don't think it is. We should probably research. We should research that. Yeah, because my husband was like, it's not bad for your heart. Yeah, I think it was new.

I think at the time it was relatively new, which is also like hysterical to think about, right? Oh, my God. Because we do that other episode. Isn't it wild to think about like we do another episode we were talking about Viagra for women like can women take Viagra? Kim Samantha gets into Viagra. It was new and exciting and different and I don't think anyone knew really, right? But I also think the Trey's just trying to make excuses because he doesn't want to deal with his problems, which is of course why the relationship. But you handled that scene beautifully.

Oh, thank you. That one's okay. It's coming that. I don't like that. Okay. I like that scene. I like that scene. But then, so then I leave and I surprised Carrie at the door at her hotel, which is

so funny. She's like, you could have just called me. She's kind of funny and adorable. But Carrie's the only one who knows at that point about the problems because I told her at the wedding under my veil, right? Tray can't get it up. The scene I didn't love myself in is the one, basically our coffee shop in L.A. where I just suddenly

blurred out to everybody that we've never had sex. And you're like, my marriage is a fake fan, D.B.I.C. Right. I don't love that. I don't love my performance there. Well, I will say that you delivered that line. That is a very hard line. Thank you. to sell.

My marriage is a fake fendipat. I didn't love the line and I didn't love my delivery. I didn't love the line but I loved your delivery. Thank you. Perfect. Jennifer. That's very nice. You're a great actress.

Oh, you're so sweet. Thank you. I just, it's one of those ones too where like there's certain things that Charlotte does repetitively, right? And one of them is like to blur things out emotionally kind of. And it's hard then when I look at it now, like I see the challenges and that they have me

doing kind of similar things. and so how do you make that different? And I don't know that I was smart enough to think about that then, right? Yes, you were. Okay. You inherently did it perfectly. Oh my God, your Charlotte is like perfection.

Thank you so much. Thank you. But that is weird on a television show. They're like, she does this. Right. So we're going to write that a million times. I mean, that is tricky. I wouldn't say that our writers really went too far,

but I do think that they thought that each character had their lane, right? And so like for a while they would say to me, you know, Charlotte doesn't get angry. And I'd be like, that's so crazy, you guys. She has to get angry. You know, but they, like, they just had their ideas, right? But you got angry in your Charlotte way. I did.

It wasn't like, it wasn't like a real, like, it was like a positive, sweet anger. I mean, for a while. We're going to get to a point where I actually get to get really angry. I don't know when it's coming, but it's coming. It's coming. I mean, certainly by the first movie, maybe that was the first time. I don't know, but they let me get really angry in the worst movie. Thank God.

And that was smart. Right. Right. So Charlotte shows up in L.A. so excited because she can just pretend she's single, I guess. You know what I mean? Like at the Playboy Mansion. And then she tells them it's a fake Fendi.

And then I think Samantha's so funny in this scene where she's just like, you've never had sex. Like she just keeps saying it. And I mean, yes, it is crazy. Like I married this guy and I have never had sex with him. It's so bonkers. It happens a lot, though. Do you think?

Yeah. What? And I think Samantha's just saying that because all she can think about is sex. I mean, for sure. But I also think I think for a grown woman who obviously, I mean, I also understand Charlotte has her fantasies. And Charlotte really is trying to make life fit into her fantasies. And as we know, that's not really going to work. Right.

But she's giving it everything she's got. You know, she's going to try as hard as she could possibly try. Doesn't work because that's just not how life goes. You know, you can't like will it to be, you know, exactly how. you want it, you have to deal with who's really in front of you, right? And he's complicated. And I think the sad thing for me, which we're starting to see and we're going to see more of is the problem is that he doesn't want to deal with it.

Right? That's the real problem. He's so waspy. He's so waspby. He's so wospy and shut down. And it's so sad. Yeah. But he's just so gorgeous and he's Kyle.

Oh my God. Kyle McLaughlin. What are going to do? Dreamy. So beyond dreamy. I was lucky, lucky, lucky, lucky. But it's sad to watch the storyline. And a lot of the storyline I don't remember either

because I just remember Kyle. You know, I remember working together. I don't remember the page. Oh, yeah. I know. Bunny was like a hard on killer. I thought she was the biggest hard on killer. No, no, of course.

And she, I get that. I get that. You have like a weird relationship with your mother. It's hard to somehow then be just like great with your wife or your girlfriend or whatever. You know what I mean? I get that. But still, it's interesting. But also Franny was a love.

She was just great. So, so sweet. I love that actress. What's on screen? Francis Sternhagen, amazing, amazing woman. Okay, so Charlotte comes. Then she's just like, I'm going to be, you know, like I'm single with the girls in L.A. And then we end up at the Playboy Mansion. I'm talking to this dude Ian, who's supposedly an art collector, but literally has nothing interesting to say.

He comes from nowhere. I know. There's no explanation. No, I'm just there laying on the rocks. I'm like, what's happening? I have zero memory, okay? Like, literally nothing. like almost negative nothing.

Like maybe it was my doppelganger there. I don't know. Interesting, right? Interesting. Or it's just 6 a.m. or whatever before the sun comes up. I have no idea. But I'm just there giggling, drinking like a fool. And then he says, you know, let me do something for you.

Let me buy you some boobs. And I'm like, I don't need any boobs. And I get up and leave, which is pretty funny. That's very funny. It's pretty funny. And it's very L.A. of the moment. It's so L.A. at that time. Yeah.

Oh my God. I mean, the boobs were everywhere. I'm going to buy you some boobs. Yeah, the boobs were just like, I mean, yeah. It's so crazy to think how, like, brainwashed you get. Yes, it is. And at that time, I think we were all still a little bit brainwashed, you know? Yeah, for sure.

Yeah. Because I don't think there was, there wasn't social media yet, right? So there wasn't really, you just thought that you have to be like the, models or like whatever the thing is, you know, that's put out there. And so all of us that were trying to act, we're just trying to fit in to what we thought they wanted from us. Exactly. It was very hard. But then you're on the show where you're actually playing the parts of the men, like the parts that the men would have got. So, I mean, it's incredible. It meant so much. Definitely. But we still had to fit in the clothes. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And you still had to go

to photo shoots where there were only sample sizes. And back then they didn't. cut for any hips or butt or thighs or anything. It was just straight, okay? Like, I would be on whole photo shoots where not one single thing fit me. Not one single thing. Like, the stress was so intense, you know? So sometimes I would just bring a bag of my clothes, like basics, like black pants or whatever. And I would hide it until I needed it.

That's so smart. Well, because, I mean, can you imagine? Like, there's literally nothing. There's nothing on the rack that will fit you. Oh, and it's embarrassing. Like, fittings. I hate fittings. Horrible.

any kind. I mean, I love fittings if they're with our people, right? Because you're at home. They make it fun. They obviously know your body. But sometimes when you're going to other fittings where you don't know the people, it's scary. It's still scary. And this is after 30 plus years of me doing it. Interesting. Isn't it? I feel the same way. Right? Yeah. It's just a, it's just a difficult and awkward thing. And I think like from the outside, it seems glamorous and amazing. And there's part of it that is, right, that you even get to go to Armani or whatever it is, right? Right. And hopefully there's some nice person there. Like my stylist now at this point in time was one of the, you know, personal stylist at Armani who would dress us. Well, I have to say your

clothes on sex in the city were the best, I think. I mean, I loved all of them, but I mean, your style and the way you wore them. Thank you. That's so sweet. It developed over time. You know, it really did. It developed over time. time and it took a while for Pat and I to kind of figure out like a commonality, right? Because Pat came from her kind of alternative fashion world, which was amazing and really valid and really changed television that we got to have her and have her put a twist on it all. But I didn't necessarily fit into that, right? And part of it was that I didn't think Charlotte fit into that. You know what I'm saying. Right. But Pat felt like the way

Upper Side Lady's dress was boring, which I totally understand. So she wanted to twist it, but then also I just had a body that, like there was at that point in time 10 inches difference between my waist and my hips. Pat did not understand that. She would just be like, what is that? And I don't know, Pat, I just run and run and run. It's curves, baby. And then I go to the gym. And then I, I mean, you know what to do with that? And she's like, I don't know what to

do with that. I mean, this went on, you know, on and on. Wow. And then the movie came out secretary with Maggie Gyllenhaal. Oh, yeah. And she, you remember that movie? It was like sexy kind of light S&M. Yeah.

And she's wearing like pussybow tops and tight skirts. And the sexy secretary became very in. And Pat was like, sexy secretary. And I was like, yes, thank God. Yes. Let's do that. Oh, it's so great. But we hadn't found it yet here at this point in time.

No. It was kind of the only one who really had a stuff. her look was Carrie. Very, very much. And I mean, Sarah and Pat were very on the same page. But I also think, like, when I've been watching the show, I mean, I would say Samantha also because she's very, like, there was some past episodes. Like, she comes to my house one time. She's drunk and she's wearing very sexy lingerie with a fur coat out on the street on Central Park, on Fifth Avenue, I guess.

Central Park West. Central Park West. That's where Charlotte lived in. Like, I mean, iconic. I mean, iconic Samantha. I love it. Very much there. She goes to the firehouse.

remember in that turquoise dress, that's already happened, she puts on the fireman things. Samantha also pretty much from the get-go was pretty vividly created. Yeah. You know? And Miranda, I think, too, because the suits, right? Like, do you remember all her kind of slightly 90s power suit situation? All of that was there from the beginning. And, I mean, I did have softness.

I had, like, flowers and prints and things. But we hadn't gotten the full, the full. But I love, like when I see this episode, I love everything Charlotte's wearing. Oh, my God. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was working. It was working. It was working. We're just not quite gelled yet.

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I feel like we did it. We covered a lot. I'm just so happy to be here. I mean, and that episode was so much fun. It's so great. I recommend people watch it right now. I recommend we go rewatch it too. I mean, that's how I felt when I ended it.

And the other thing that I think is really interesting, and I've been thinking about this, I don't know if you've seen. seen heated rivalry. Yes. Dude. Do you love it? I love it. Isn't it incredible?

I love it. It's amazing. And I'm thinking about... Those butts are so tight. Those butts are something, for sure. For sure. I mean, that's one thing it is going for. It has many things going for.

Hannah has now watched it. We have to ask her later. But one of the things, I'm mulling over all the reasons that it's this huge phenomenon. And I have many theories and many people have many theories. And I saw Esther Porell. Do you know Esther Perel, the wonderful therapist? She was on Instagram. I think yesterday talking about how it's a corrective experience watching it.

Because as you're watching it, like for instance, if you think about that press conference early on where Hudson's character doesn't know what to say. I'm now switched to the real people because, you know, they're all infiltrating our brain at all times. He doesn't know what to say. And then Ilya, the Connor's character, speaks up for him. Like then when he in the end, you know, confesses to his mom the truth. And she says, what did I do wrong that you couldn't tell me? Like it's like everything you would dream of people saying they say they do like it's like a healing experience to watch it.

Exactly, exactly. Like it's kind of. We all keeping it. Right? But isn't that kind of amazing why I think it's why people have such an emotional connection to it? But I also feel and I was thinking about that versus our show because one of the things that the first show and definitely the second show did was show all the crazy kind of bad, embarrassing things that could have. happened to you, right? And that you were going to be okay.

Do you do you mean that you were going to be okay? You were going to go tell your girlfriends about it and all of you were going to laugh. Do you mean? Like it might feel so embarrassing at the time, right? And like there would be different ones of us over time of the actors who would be like, oh, they embarrassed my character the most. No, they embarrassed my character the most. They embarrassed your character the most in the movie.

So true, okay. So true. And I tell Michael Patrick this. Because it's happened to all of us. It has happened to, yes. That's what Michael Patrick said at the time. I mean, yes, many embarrassing things happened. But, I mean, if you were to ask any of us, you could go down the list of Miranda's embarrassing things.

Like, she vomits on someone she's having sex with. Do you remember this? Like, I mean, there's a lot. There's a lot for everybody. Do what I mean? But that was kind of the point. It's so therapeutic. Right.

It's therapeutic, but in a different way. Yeah, in a different way. Not in a corrective way. And I think, obviously, this is 2025. We need, wait, it's 2026. Ooh, that was scary. I keep saying it's 2026. I know, right?

We need healing. Like the world is a really big wreck, right? Back in 2000, the world wasn't this much of a wreck yet either. Like it was a different time. Do you know what I mean? No, not at all. And I think there's something also to be said about collectively enjoying media and storytelling, right?

Which back in the day, you know, in the beginning, not everyone had HBO. So it was this thing like, you know, can I go to someone's house and watch HBO? Can I go to a party? watch the show, right? Because people wanted to do it together. And I think that's what's happening with heated rivalry where you can go to bars and people are watching or people are rewatching, rewatching,

and then conversing on social media about it to connect. We need that. We need that right now. We really need that. Exactly. Exactly. And I think it's the power of good storytelling. Yeah.

And something that's open and honest. I don't know. Like with sex in the city, it was like, oh my God, for women. It was like, what you were. doing is like what we were going through and like, oh, I feel okay to like sex and I feel all right, you know. Definitely. It was a confidence boost. Definitely.

And that's what we wanted. That's what we wanted to do. You guys did it in speeds. Totally. But the thing about heated rivalry, which is interesting, is the women watching heated rivalry as an antidote to toxic masculinity. Right. Right?

Like there's so many interesting cultural elements of heated rivalry and the success of heat of rivalry. And I was talking to a friend who was. I was talking to, I don't know if I should say, I was talking to someone yesterday about it. You can name drop, girl. I don't want to name drop. I don't want to name drop because I don't want to.

Yeah, now I can't even remember what I was going to say because, oh, I was talking to someone yesterday who's super knowledgeable about the business, who's a producer now who used to be at HBO. And I was saying to her, you know, it's so amazing that Jacob Tierney, who did heated rivalry. Caroline Albrecht. Yes.

Wait, no, not Albrecht, Caroline Strauss. We married the names. They're definitely not. Mary, Caroline's dress. I was talking to Carolyn's dress. Very good, Jennifer. You read my mind. She's very smart. She's very smart. And we were talking about the success of heated rivalry. And she was saying, I said, you know, it's so hard because first of all right now in our business, no one's greenlighting anything, really, because our business is upside down. Yeah, it's really sad and scary. Scary for everyone. Scary. Scary for every one of all layers

of our business. But also, we were talking about budgets and choices and fear, right? So I was saying, I feel like there's so much fear now about, you know, what to do, what not to do. Right. You know, don't offend anyone. No, no, no, no. Like, everyone just can't function. So we're going to have nothing. Exactly.

And then less because, like, we're putting out nothing, you know. I do know. But I also feel, and I feel like heated rivalry is a really, really good example. So they had it set up at a big streamer here. I don't know which one. It was not HBO Max. I'm pretty sure. And they were giving them a bunch of notes.

And they told them, because it was from the book, right? And they told them, Francois has been out in the world saying this. They told them no kissing till episode five. What? I know. It would have been horrible. So whoever it was was like, you know, totally going to gut the insides of what it was, right? So Jacob Tierney, the showrunner, the incredibly brilliant, Jacob Tierney said,

okay, you know what? We can't do this. I'm going to take it back to Canada. I'm going to go to Crave TV or whatever that. app is called, crave, crave, just crave. I'm going to go to Crave. They're not going to give us so much news. He also basically didn't have a budget, right?

Like they made it for almost nothing in 36 days, right? But look at how incredible it is. But that's because the budget wasn't very high, so people weren't very scared. And he was very smart and he could do what he wanted to do. And this is what it takes. Sex in the City, you didn't have like a lot of notes from HBO. We had no notes. That's why I was talking to Carolyn about this.

That's why it's so good. That's true. But we, and we have a big. Like, you know, Larry David kicked them out of the. Right. Because they try. They try. They didn't have notes.

But those notes are so destructive. They're horrible. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. She has to give me this signer because I'll talk forever. So I have a super burning, burning question, Jennifer. Yes. Are you a Charlotte? Oh, my God.

What a good question. I wish I was a Charlotte. I'm a Carrie. Are you sure? I'm pretty sure just because I grew up on the Lowery Side of Manhattan and I dressed like her. I was very like free-spirited. I wish I was a Charlotte.

I love Charlotte. I kind of are. I'm kind of Charlotte too. Okay, okay. I'm Charlotte in many ways. I'm a combo. I think I'm a combo. I'm a combo too of Carrie Charlotte.

You are too. Yeah, definitely. Definitely, definitely. Yeah, because when I saw you playing Charlotte, I was like, I know her. I was like, she's doing a really good job because she's not really Charlotte. Thank you. That's so nice.

See, everyone in the world who doesn't know me thinks that I'm really not acting because I am Charlotte. They don't know. You just did it so well. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate that. I never thought of you as a Charlotte type. Well, because my regular life. I mean, I think that the thing that you, this interesting about acting is that part of what you respond to is like energetics of people, right? So I think the energetics of Charlotte, like you have the same energetics as Charlotte and myself, which is like friendly, warm, enthusiastic, cheerleader. You know, those are elements, right? And that's who Charlotte is in the force. some, you know, like that's an important kind of energetic beat that she provides. Do you know what I'm saying? But you're so free spirit.

I am. I am. Not at all like Charlotte. No, you're not like planning things out at all. And you're, I'm not. You're really getting into things. People would say like, where are you going to be in five years, 10 years, 20 years? And I would just be like, oh, what?

I just hope I'm alive. Totally. Exactly. Exactly. I remember such a, like everyone would just be like, that's the question. You have to make a plan. And I was like, what? You people are crazy.

Like, I'm definitely much more hippie than Charlotte. You are. And you're all like, I don't know. You're very spiritual and a lovely, a lovely person. And you're a lovely person, too. Thank you for joining us. Thank you so much. It was so much fun.

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