Are You A Charlotte? - The Glamorous Life with Jenny Bicks... (S3 E16 "Frenemies")

Episode Date: February 26, 2026

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Listen to if you can hear me on my IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, I'm Kristen Davis, and I want to know, are you a Charlotte? Welcome back, everybody, to Are You a Charlotte? Part two, she is returning. Jenny Vicks. She wrote the incredible episode, Friend Amese. Thanks for joining us. Here we go. It is just such a funny thing to think back on what we had. And, you know, sometimes you think like, did we really fully appreciate what we had?

I think about this myself. I think about a lot. I think about a lot, especially when I watched the episodes again. And I think how lucky were we? And I think towards the end, I mean, I know from my perspective, by season six, I think I was really appreciating. I was like, oh, man, this is going to end. And how special and how amazing that we got to be on that ride. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And who knew the ride would continue, you know? It was a ride. It was a ride. I mean, yes, it was a ride for sure. I mean, it was also, I mean, I didn't want it to

end. You know, I'm not telling anyone anything that anyone doesn't know. I never wanted to end. But like I, I, you know, and it's such a, it's such a living thing. I feel like, and especially I'm also rewatching it, as you know, right? And it's so fascinating to rewatch it because it's really interesting and good and surprising, even having been in it the first time, sure, I'm saying. Like, it holds up just so incredibly well. Way better than I, you know, had I not started watching it again because of you, I think I would have been scared. to watch some of the episodes.

And I think there probably are some that are not holding up as well. No. You know what it is, Jenny? This is what it is. Because I thought that was going to be true to. There are moments. There are moments or like scenes where you're like, oh, you know what I mean? But it's very little.

Like I have to say for myself, it's less than I expected. Well, I think that's bearing itself out. I mean, people, kids are kids. Gals above the age of 16, whatever. Right. are finding the show, you know, people are finding the show. People are sending the show. People are sending me memes that I never knew existed.

I'm like, okay, that's amazing. I know it. I love it. I love it too. I love it too. It's really, really fun. And it's fun because, I mean, I don't know, do you watch overcompensating? Do you know overcompensating? Yes.

Did you know that Benito has a podcast called Ride? And Benny has been on the podcast, and we love him very much. And one of his lines that he says all the time is my line that I say to Kyle, I'm your wife and I'm sexual and I love you. Like he just randomly says this. Like, so funny. And when he came on, I was like, why do you, how and why did this become like your thing? And he goes, just because it's so good. And I was like, okay.

Wow. Yeah, you just don't know when someone's going to pick up something. By the way, also starring in overcompensating homes who started in Welcome to Flatch, my show that was on Fox for two seasons. Right. She is amazing. Amazing. She does.

And what I love in overcompensating is she's completely different than what she did in Flage. That is so true. Blonde and overcompetent. She's incredible. She's incredible. She's incredible. So, yes, I do love that the show has been, has been refound.

But it gives me such, I don't want to say painful nostalgia, but it is. It's like you long for that. Like, I long to be back in that writer's room with those. And the good news. is I'm we're all quite close and we see each other so in some ways we're still in the room together but it's thank god it's not the same no i mean look we went and did a whole other show so we could work together do you mean you just keep it going it's like you want that really do you know i know and then they ended that show and i was like why i still feel the same way even though intellectually

i know kind of why but i'm just like but come on guys let's do something else like that's how i feel? And I, you know, you try to explain the feeling to, like for us to other writers, like what it's like to be in a room like we were in. And you can't really explain it because it was, it was so finely curated. Like Michael did such a good job of kind of knowing, just kind of knowing what each person was going to bring in there and, and making it a safe place to be, even though Michael, one of my dearest friends, you know, I love you, Michael. Michael is hilariously, as you know, he's a complicated, discerning writer. Yes.

He's going to tell you if something's not working. Yes. And he's going to be right. 90% of the time it's going to be right. Right. And if it's not, he'll admit it ultimately. But who could handle him, who could work in the system where we would get the best out of everybody. And we did.

And so we still, it's, but it's a piece. It's this feeling of like you want to go home again. I agree. You want to go home. And, you know, it was a tough, you know, shooting was really tough. Like I think we probably, I don't know if we talked about this last time, but there was a point, or if you talked about it with other people, where we were shooting three different episodes at the same time. Oh, at least. No, I think it was like six at one point.

Well, we had two groups for A, B, and C. Remember that? Yeah. It was the end of this third season. season, I think. Because it was such an ambitious season, right? And then we had all those unfinished parts at the end. And we just took over all of the stages at Silver Cup and we had to have crew in the T-shirts for which group they were on so they knew where to go. I was thinking, and I was reminded of this only because you don't want to sugarcoat how hard. Like,

right. You all worked so hard. Like that moment where not only were we, and this was a new thing, by the way, for film people who may be listening slash watching, like to cross-board episodes, it wasn't done in TV. Right. It was done out of order in film. But what we were asking you all to do just on a regular basis was to shoot two episodes at the same time. And now suddenly it's three episodes.

You've got to remember where your mind is at. Character-wise, how are you feeling? And you've got to get in that set and go shoot. And it's like, it's true. And people are running around with T-shirts that say A, B, and C. And you think, it was hard. We people, but the blood and sweat shows. Like, I agree.

I agree totally. I think the thing, and we have talked about it. I mean, we've talked about the hours because the hours were like fully, fully bonkers. We were younger, thank God. But the hours were fully insane. You know, we saw so many sunrises. So, so many sunrises that, you know, you lost track. But the thing, too, I mean.

I mean, like, just for everyone who doesn't know what crossboarding means, because I have talked about this, but I don't know if I explained it, it's when, so normally if you were doing a film, right, you know the whole script. You know, like, from page one till page 131 or whatever it is. And you might shoot it out of order, but you know everything that's in it. So as an actor, you can prepare, and you might have one scene because of the location that has to be filmed early that comes late in the film, but you can get ready. You can mentally prepare what that means for you to do. in terms of the character's arc of that film. And then with television, depending on the type of show, right?

And we really broke out of the boundaries of the type of show that we were, is really what we're saying. We were a single camera comedy. Sometimes people call us a sitcom, which I find, like, wrong. Not a sitcom. No, because a sitcom means that it's a situational comedy

at a place, like Friends was a situational comedy. It's at the, what's it called the coffee place? Central Perk. Thank you so much. Jenny Bix. And then I can't remember the line I wrote that the article says. Okay.

That's okay. That's okay. We'll get there. Because you wrote so many of our episodes. It's fine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But they, so then, so what we needed to do because we were filming in New York was we had to cross board, which means crossboarding locations. Our schedule is cross-borded. So it's two episodes at once with one director

and one DP, which was important because the other director, for the next episode is scouting with the other DP. It's a very complex world that someone's running, John Melfi, you know, amazingly. And we are like parts of it, but we're not in charge of it. And so you've got two episodes happening simultaneously and you're having to remember where you are and what's happened to you. But then sometimes when we would get behind, we would have four and or at the end of this

season, I think it's six because it's two, two, and two, right? it's like so, so many. Do you mean? I don't recall shooting six episodes that one night. No, no, you're right. Not in one night. Like over a couple days. Yes.

Some of it was really minor. Like if you had a phone call, remember we would do inserts of your hands with the phone. So you'd have to run over. We were on this stage, the old bread factory called Silver Cup, which if anyone's ever driven over the 59th Street Bridge in New York, you see it to the right at Long Island City. We were there.

That was our home. And we had all the stages and the actors, we would just be like, where do we go now? And we'd have to go to our trailer, change into what we wore like three months ago, go to, you know, stage four and hold a phone and have to hit a mark to get an insert that we had forgotten to get or hadn't had time to get on the day that we'd filmed the scene back then. So it was like just chaos. But not unlike the end of shooting and just like that, because I'd gotten COVID. and also we had all kinds of location drama, as we always do in New York, I think towards the end,

like the last schedule, I think I was filming parts of six different episodes. See, that's insanity. It was insanity, but I'd gotten COVID. So I couldn't, it was partly my fault. I mean, not that's your fault that you get it, but you know what I'm saying. But you know what I mean?

Like the, you know, when I tell, I finally confess that Harry has cancer to care, that scene was what I was supposed to film the day that I got COVID. Oh, my God. And I was so ready. You know, when you've prepared as an actor and you're so emotionally ready? I was so ready. And then at like four in the morning, I woke up and I thought my air conditioning had broken

because I was so hot. Oh, no. Never a good sign. So we had to punt it, but we needed like a CVS or Dwayne Reed or whatever it was. It went all the way to the end, which was like three months later. And I was like, oh, my God. Do I have it? Do I remember? Do I know? Oh, Lord. It was... It comes something else. It's, it is amazing. And look, shout out to anyone and everyone who handled continuity on our show.

Oh, my goodness. It's very rare that you'll watch an episode and be like, wait a minute. Why is, you know, Charlotte's sweater nodded a little differently? Oh, no. I have never thought that. It's amazing. It's hard to really, um, convey how hard that would be on a show like ours where there were so many moving parts. So many details. So many details. Hair and makeup. Hair and makeup. Oh.

But that all of, that thankfully all of you were good with your own continuity. Oh, we're into it, man. Oh, I picked up my drink. Oh, God, yes. And took a... The coffee shops. The coffee shops. The fact that there's not any glaring errors is really a testament to every.

all our crew. Absolutely. We had the very best crew in New York. The very best crew in New York, I know. And the very best editors. And the very best editor. We really kind of had the best because good things attract good people.

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The moment you look at the whole picture, the case collapses. I'm Amanda Knox, and in the new podcast, Doubt the case of Lucy Letby, we follow the evidence and hear from the people that lived in, to ask what really happened when the world decided who Lucy Lettby was. No voicing of any skepticism or doubt. It'll cause so much harm at every single level of the British establishment of this is wrong. Listen to Doubt, the case of Lucy Letby on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, this is Joe Winterstein, host of the Spirit Daughter podcast, where we talk about astrology, natal charts, and how to step into your most vibrant life.

And I just sat down with a mini driver. The Irish traveler said when I was 16, you're going to have a terrible time with men. Actor, storyteller, and unapologetic Aquarian visionary. Aquarius is all about freedom-loving and different perspectives, and I find a lot of people with strong placements in Aquarius are misunderstood. A son and Venus and Aquarius in her seventh house spark her unconventional approach to partnership. He really has taught me to embrace people sleeping in different rooms, on different houses and different places, but just an embracing of the isness of it all.

If you're navigating your own transformation or just want to chart side view into how a leading artist integrates astrology, creativity, and real life, this episode is a must listen. Listen to the Spirit Daughter podcast starting on February 24th on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your podcast. I'm Nancy Glass, host of the Burden of Guilt Season 2 podcast. This is a story about a horrendous lie that destroyed two hundred. families. Late one night, Bobby Gumpright became the victim of a random crime. He pulls the gun, tells me to lie down on the ground. He identified Tremaine Hudson as the perpetrator. Germain was sentenced to 99 years. I'm like, Lord, this can't be real. I thought it was a mistaken identity. The best lie is partial truth. For 22 years,

Only two people knew the truth until a confession changed everything. I was a monster. Listen to Burden of Guilt Season 2 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Clayton Eckerd, and in 2022, I was the lead of ABC's The Bachelor. Unfortunately, it didn't go according to plan. He became the first Bachelor to ever have his final Rose redactored. The internet turned on him. If I could press a button and rewind it all I would.

But what happened to Clayton after the show made even bigger headlines. It began as a one-night stand and ended in a courtroom with Clayton at the center of a very strange paternity scandal. The media is here. This case has gone viral. The dating contract. Agree to date me, but I'm also suing you. Please search warrant. This is unlike anything I've ever seen before.

I'm Stephanie Young. This is Love Trapped. This season, an epic battle of He Said She Said, and the search for accountability in a sea of lies. Listen to Love Trapped on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Did we leave out any major storylines that we should talk about? Well, we didn't really talk about the learning annex thing, but I think... Oh, yeah. Oh, God. So, so anxiety-provoking. So anxiety-provoking.

Was that based on you guys or was that based on like a Candace Bushnell type of a situation? Well, it was a combo plate, right? Because we would talk a lot in the room about how, and I'm sure this happened for you too, that when you write or appear on a show like Sex and the City, people assume that you know a lot about relationships. So people would come to us as writers and be like, what do I do about this? What do I do about it? And we're like, do you understand we're writing about the situation?

were in. Like, we were all deftly single. Like, one of us could keep a relationship going. So the idea that people saw us as experts was hilarious to us. And so we wanted to take that and really literally put it up on stage. And then it became also the kind of the candace of it. And I think somebody had done a, I don't think any one of us were asked specifically to do a learning annex about being single. But occasionally we would do panels and things like that. Yeah. For sure. And we're like, we don't know.

That's why we write about it. Absolutely. Oh, my gosh. But it was fun to see. And also, if you look in that crowd, you'll see a number of actors that you then will have seen another thing since then. Like I really shout out as well to there was no small parts in this show. Oh, for sure.

Yeah. I have a list somewhere of all these people. Let me find it. I mean, I was kind of amazed. I didn't realize. I wasn't there for that day, right? Obviously. But I mean, it was really fun to watch it.

And I hadn't remembered this, not one little bit. Okay, wait. Catherine Curtin, guest stars as girl number two in the learning seminar asking a question. She's now known for playing Joanne on Insecure, Claudia, Dustin's mother on Stranger Things. Wow. Wanda Bell on Orange and the New Black. Cool.

Rebecca Wiskowski. Yeah, she was one of your, one of your... One of myself. Yes, I know. She is, yes, yes, yes. She played Brenda on the mentalist, Evelyn on Devious Maze and Marge on For All Mankind. Michael Jim is played by a guy named Dominic Fumusa,

who is now known for playing Kevin on Nurse Jackie, Detective on Goliath, Pete on Copp and the Purge. And he was on divorce. Wow. Oh my God. Did you, did you realize that? Yes. Yeah. Oh, my God. It's incredible. And there's more. There's more. I mean, there's like long, long lists. It's impressive. It's so fun to see that because as we've discussed in the past, but at the time that we were shooting in New York, the only shows really were cop shows shooting there. So we were able to suddenly take advantage of all these fantastic performers who weren't necessarily cop show people. who maybe could tonally do some more lighter comedy. And then they get to go on and do amazing other things. Absolutely. Absolutely.

I remember that whole part of it. I remember walking around. Like, we were on location and we were walking somewhere. And we'd run into actors on the street. And they'd be like, oh, I just read for blah, blah, blah. You know, it was just such a fun community feeling, you know, that everybody wanted to be on the show and that there were so many parts. And, you know, the guys had to go back to call back after callback.

And they were all slightly traumatized, you know, which was entertaining. We would, but not illegally. No, no, not easily at all. Just they were not used to being in that position. Yes. Yes, yes, yes. I did a tiny part before Melrose on ER, the first season of ER. And I might have had, I don't know, five lines, but it was with Clooney.

And I believe. Where did you play? I'm like a, I feel like I was a mom, but I don't remember child. So I'm not 100% sure. I just really remember George, okay? I don't remember hardly anything but that. Although I do remember young Noah because I had, so it was so much fun and you could feel the energy and that they were doing things differently as well. And it was one of their really big, I was in just a little, like, you know, in a, he was my doctor, right?

And I can't remember. Nothing horrible had happened to me, right? I was just like flirting with him, that that was my role. It was great. But they were doing one of their big scenes beforehand where all the main characters are walking through and talking their medical jargon and they did 36 takes.

And I remember just being like so impressed, right? And George and Noah were playing in the wheelchairs and like ramming into each other like boys. But having the best time. And they were just really into it. And everybody was so happy to be there. And the blocking itself of the, it was like a steady cam shot.

and the blocking of everyone with the jargon. I was like, man, this is a hard job. It's like so exciting. Why did I tell that story? Oh, because I had had to go to four callbacks for that part of like five lines. Wow. And also, again, people will look at that and go, oh, my God, Kristen Davis had five lines in ER. And then she goes on to be this big star.

Like, there's this moment. Everybody, you know, everyone starts with their couple lines. Oh, for sure. And you're so excited. You know, you're so excited to get those couple lines. You know we're going to have to pull up the film on this. Oh, we can. It's great.

It's great. George's got the funny hair. It's very adorable. It was great. And the thing that was really nice for me, I'll just go ahead with the name dropping since I'm deep in already. He at that point had been working for so long, right? Like kind of toiling.

You know what I'm saying? And he also was smart enough to know that this was his moment. His moment was here. and he had such a great, great attitude about it. And he was such a kind of like a teacher and a sage. Like you could ask him, like, I would call him and be like, you know, I got Melrose and I'm so nervous and what should I do? And he knew everyone.

And he'd be like, this is what you should do. You know, you need to think about, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But don't think about all those other things. You know, like he could really, he was like a coach. You know what I'm saying? Oh, wild. Like I would, I love that. And I love knowing that because I would never put you to.

together as like mentor, mente. I mean, yeah, he's not that much older than me, but he'd just been in it for so long, you know, and he's so smart about it all. Even, like, back then, like, he'd just been observing and observing and observing, you know, and had, like, so many wise things, like, there's this thing that when you're an unemployed actor and you're going to all the auditions, you would be, like, bitter about whoever got your part, right? You'd be like, that person got my part.

And he would talk about, like, that is just the wrong thing. thinking altogether, you're going to get what's meant for you. And you didn't lose that part. You never had that part. You just want to be in the mix. Like he was like that. Like so wise, right? I know.

Call him now and just see what he's going. Any advice he wants to give. Oh, I'm sure he would have advice. I think this man would always have advice. But the thing that if I called him now, I would tell him how much I love Jay Kelly and that I, that I really, did you watch Jake Kelly? Yes. Yes.

I love the end of Jay Kelly. Kelly so much. I loved all of it. But like that scene where he's watching himself, it's so beautiful. And I'm sure, too, as an actor, there's also relateability to kind of where you belong in this, in this ecosystem. And, you know, he's, I mean, he can do no wrong in my book. I agree. I agree 100%. And I'm so lucky I got to be there and watch it. And I love to watch Noah. And I love to watch The Pit because it's like, it's just beautiful. It's great. In 2023, a story gripped the UK, evoking horror and disbelief. The nurse who should have been in charge of caring for tiny babies

is now the most prolific child killer in modern British history. Everyone thought they knew how it ended. A verdict, a villain, a nurse named Lucy Leppie. Lucy Letby has been found guilty. But what if we didn't get the whole story? The moment you look at the whole picture, the case collapses. I'm Amanda Knox, and in the new podcast, Doubt, the case of Lucy Lettby, we follow the evidence and hear from the people that lived in,

to ask what really happened when the world decided who Lucy Lettby was. No voicing of any skepticism or doubt. It'll cause so much harm at every single level of the British establishment of this is wrong. Listen to Doubt, The Case of Lucy Letby on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, this is Joe Winterstein, host of the Spirit Daughter podcast, where we talk about astrology, natal charts, and how to step into your most vibrant life. And I just sat down with a mini driver.

The Irish traveler said when I was 16, you're going to have a terrible time with men. Actor, storyteller, and unapologetic Aquarian visionary. Aquarius is all about freedom-loving and different perspectives. and I find a lot of people with strong placements in Aquarius are misunderstood. A son and Venus and Aquarius in her seventh house spark her unconventional approach to partnership. He really has taught me to embrace people sleeping in different rooms, on different houses, and different places, but just an embracing of the isness of it all. If you're navigating your own transformation or just want a chartside view into how a leading artist integrates astrology, creativity, and real life,

This episode is a must listen. Listen to the Spirit Daughter podcast starting on February 24th on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your podcast. I'm Nancy Glass, host of the Burden of Guilt Season 2 podcast. This is a story about a horrendous lie that destroyed two families. Late one night, Bobby Gumpright became the victim of a random crime. He pulls the gun. tells me to lie down on the ground. He identified Jermaine Hudson as the perpetrator.

Jermaine was sentenced to 99 years. I'm like, Lord, this can't be real. I thought it was a mistaken identity. The best lie is partial truth. For 22 years, only two people knew the truth, until a confession changed everything. I was a monster. Listen to Burden of Guilt Season 2 on the IHeart Radio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Clayton Eckerd, and in 2022, I was the lead of ABC's The Bachelor. Unfortunately, it didn't go according to plan. He became the first Bachelor to ever have his final rows rejected. The internet turned on him. If I could press a button and rewind it all I would. But what happened to Clayton after the show made even bigger headlines. It began as a one-night stand and ended in a courtroom with Clayton at the center of a very strange paternity scandal.

The media is here. This case has gone viral. The dating contract. Agree to date me, but I'm also suing you. Please search for it. This is unlike anything I've ever seen before. I'm Stephanie Young. This is Love Trapped.

This season, an epic battle of He Said She Said, and the search for accountability in a seal. of lies. Listen to Love Trapped on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. We talked about the scary blow job. I mean, Jenny very brilliantly talked about how Samantha had to be out of Samantha as Charlotte had to learn that she was the Samantha, like their counterpoints. And then we get to have that nice phone call together. I mean, that was a lot.

I had forgotten the details of the Samantha storyline as well. I was like, oh my God. That's, you know, even Samantha has a line she won't cross. Yep. I'm not, I don't have to go under a table because that's about her sexuality, which I always appreciated. It was never purient. It was never like for show. That's true.

It was never needy. It was always what she needed, but not needy. And this was needy. And she saw that. Like she's the shame of like, oh, you don't want to be that. You don't want to be that. be that person who has to give a blowjob under a table because you you feel like this guy may not stick around, you know?

There is that, oh my gosh. From that, from that gal who also, that's a good point. Yeah, she did. She did. I mean, the thing about Samantha that I do love rewatching it is the, like the power of her freedom. You know, she's powerful. She's not needy. And she's like some of my favorite episodes, just the L.A.

was it that one of the LA episodes? I love when she's just purely like a guy. You know, the LA guy who's the porn model, the dildo model? And he tries to talk to her about himself. And she's like, no. And then he reads her the poetry and she's dying. I mean, I just love those episodes. Oh, my God.

I can't wait to talk about those. I mean, that was so wild to shoot in L.A. Tell us. What do you remember? Well, so I wrote the Playboy Mansion episode. Oh, right. Oh, my God. That's a whole other, like.

we don't have time to cover it now. We should have called you. Oh, who did you talk to? We talked to, um, um, um, what's your name? Madison? Holly Madison. Oh, well, that's pretty good too. It was good. It was interesting.

She had a lot of interesting things to say, but I also, and we talked to, um, Jennifer Elise Cox, who's in the other one. Yes. Right? Or is she in that same one? She's in the other one, right? I mean, they blend in my mind. They're one. Vince Vaughn.

Oh, come on. Amazing. Amazing Vince. but tell me because I want to know what you remember. I remember. Here's what I remember. This is one of the lines that, you know, looking at these women in the in the hot tub and and coming up with the word tit soup, you know, is still like that's something that people

quote back to me. Look, it's tit soup. You know what? Hanging out with Hugh Hefner all night. Like it was like mind blow. It was one of those moments where you realize, oh, we're in a whole other. this is a rarefied air that we are currently in and it is not our normal. No, not at all.

Did you go to the party at the Playboy Mansion? Yeah. Because I refused. What do you remember? Tell me, yes. I remember a lot and I've forgotten a lot. But if you remember needing to get because it was a pajama party, like you had to wear. So I wore like silk purple pajamas.

Nice. And there were a number of. of all, what you realize is the age of the guys was a little scary. Like it was definitely, you know, 60 plus. Wow. And very young women. And you would kind of go around the corner and see, like, there was definitely stuff happening in the orgy area and in the hot tub area.

And it was a, look, it was a fun party. I remember dancing. I remember, you know, wow. It threw a good party, but you didn't want to look too much under the, under the rug there. But shooting there was a blast. And shooting that whole episode, despite, that was the scary car accident. Yes.

That is still every minute of that, as I'm sure it is for you, etched in my, etched in my mind. Absolutely. I mean, I wasn't in the car, right? But I remember having to go and have like emotional support. I was like the emotional support after the fact or whatever for the, for the. And didn't we move the car from the scary hill after that? because what's in on the film, they start on like a busy, busy street and then they're on a calm.

Yeah. Right. It was just, it was, oh, that was so, so crazy and scary. And, you know, standing and watching it and not being able to do anything about it. And whatever divine thing was happening, everybody was okay. And, you know, we're probably not going to use this in this, you know. Yeah, yeah, it's fine. because we've already discussed that.

But, yeah, not something I want to see again. No, no. And I mean, it does really make you think about, like, sometimes I feel like things on set, like as much preparation as there is, sometimes there's just, you can't prepare enough. And you think it's going to be fine, you know? And then suddenly, suddenly it's not. And it's super scary. Super scary.

And we were really lucky that I don't think anyone, do you recall, like, ever having a moment where, like considering the fact that we would often, like, now we wouldn't be able to have like real candles and things like that. But like nothing ever, as I remember, lit on fire or, you know, no one really injured themselves. Like there was so much running in heels. I know. Can you imagine, I mean, when I watched the one, is it, what's the one that I just watched where she loses his dog in the village? It's so good. But also, I mean, I really thought that dog was going to get hit by a car.

I was super panicked. And then she's wearing like slides. There's not even an ankle strap. No. What on earth she is a like an Olympic athlete. She is. She can do anything in a pair of high-hilled shoes that I don't do this at home because no.

No. Do is unbelievable. And she would agree. It's not like we sped up the film. She was running. I know. Shoes all the time. It's insane.

You can tell because the people behind her are in normal time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, they're like regular. people are whatever. They're just regular. And she's like,

you know, a superhero. I know it. It's incredible. It's incredible. I agree. So many, I mean,

this season in general is incredible. I mean, the first two seasons were so much better than I would, what I remembered, which I think I told you last time you came.

But the third season in my mind had always been like when things just went, like everything like clicked in. And man, rewatching it has not disappointed. Yeah. That's so interesting.

I definitely think we felt that way that for us season three suddenly everything clicked you're right those that's the exact right word like everything was running on cylinders and and like all the all the all of you all were working great together and working great with the material and we were going deep into these storylines that we got to tell and and it just felt like oh my god and it was also for us I think it was basically the end of season two beginning of season three where people started to really watch as well. So we were also going out into the world and seeing that people were responding. Because as we've talked about, the first season we shot, and it didn't even air before we were

shooting season. Right. So people think we all the time knew that there was going to be this hit. And we're just having a good time and being like, this is crazy. Totally. Totally. He was standing on Fifth Avenue and everyone's annoyed at us because we're laughing. Definitely, definitely. I was trying to remember when the first Globes was, because we did do this thing with Sarah where we got to give her the Carol Burnett Award. And I was talking to one of the ladies from the Hollywood Foreign Press. And, you know, they do kind of consider us their babies in a weird way.

Because remember that time that we went, the first time that we went, and then we won, and we're all just like, what, what planet did we live on? Like, where are we? Like, we looks, and Michael has that long curl. I mean. And they goatee. Yes, all of it. Oh, my God.

I love it so much. The first time we went. So this is Michael and I call this story, the crinkle cut cheese story. And maybe he's told this story already. No. So the first time we went to the Globes was when Sarah Jessica was nominated. So she was nominated before the show was nominated. I didn't remember.

Okay. And I'm going to say that was for season two. Okay. And so Michael and I were invited to go to the Golden Globes. Now, we didn't know from going to the Golden Globes. We didn't, whatever. And so we tried to the Golden Globes in my Miata. So that tells you kind of we're glad, okay, people.

And we park and we walk up to the front and we're like, hello, we're here for the Golden Globes. And they're like, yeah, no, you don't go in the main room. You're going to go upstairs. HBO had rented a hotel room because it was also so early in the days of nominations that HBO, they had done the rat pack. I'm going to say miniseries, but it may be. Yeah. Whatever it was.

Yeah. Something. Yeah. So that was nominated. So Michael and I go up to the hotel room. And it is a lot of the older ladies who had been involved with the rat pack at different time. Wow. They had taken up the seating as they should have because they were older.

Right. Michael and myself and Candice Bushnell who had gotten herself all dolled up and looked amazing. And we're sitting in a hotel room and then on the table while there is crinkled. cut cheese. Wow. That is now, if you would like to know a little insider thing, when Michael and I say something is a crinkle cut cheese moment, it's when you expect it to be like really everything and you just walk into a hotel room with some crinkle cut America. Oh, no. Now, since then, we went on to go up on stage multiple times. Yes, yes. That's adorable. But I like that. I like that very much. That's a good story that I had never heard. Okay. Well, you can, you can, you

can quote the crinkle cut cheese back to my i love it so much the crinkle cut cheese everybody now we know what it means but you have to remember things start you know you have to have those moments to really appreciate like you don't just get to go and be the bell of the ball right like no it's true we were there to board s j and and she looked i remember what she was wearing because it was this amazing kind of um topey sequinie dress i mean she could wear anything you guys did she win she didn't win. Okay. Interesting. We had a great time. I'm so glad. That's a good story. You can't really appreciate getting in through those doors.

You can't really appreciate getting at that table, let alone winning, until you go to a hotel room where you have to stand up and eat crinkle cut cheese. I love it. I love it. Well, thank you, Jenny. Always fun. We should have a different L.A. conversation because putting the pieces together of L.A. is very interesting. L.A. That was a tough shoot, too. Man, I remember shooting at, you weren't in this scene. It was S.J. and Sarah Michelle Geller, and we shot until about 8 in the morning overnight because we had to have a restaurant closed.

So we had to shoot once they had closed at a restaurant that no longer exists on Melrose or Beverly. But it was a lot of nighttime. I know. Remember, I had my house here. And obviously, Charlotte only comes for one of the two. And I was like, you guys, I live there. Come on. Let me call.

Let me get it. And I remember one night we were shooting at the standard, which obviously closed as well, sadly. And they said to me, go home and go to bed and then come back at 3 a.m. And I was like, okay. It was so wild. Like, I finally got to sleep in my own bed. Right. We weren't really sleeping.

No. Exactly. Exactly. I know I'm in the same city where my bed is. Exactly. That's how I felt too. I was like the joy is that I can go home and go to sleep and then get back up and drive back over here at 3 a.m.

And which I will do. And we were happy to do it. Yeah, we were. I mean, we were younger and we were super excited. I know, right? God, I don't know how we did. And, you know, you talk about getting COVID. It's like, we didn't get sick often.

Uh-uh. And if we did, they just handed out the Z-Pack. Yep. They were like, here you go. Enjoy. Keep it going. Keep it going. Oh, you can't talk here.

going to give you prednisone. I mean, you know, it was a lot. It was interesting. But again, do it again in a heartbeat. In a heartbeat. In a heartbeat. Yeah. Jenny, you're a joy. You're a joy. This is so much fun. I know. Thank you for taking time. Yay. Yay. Yay. It's good to have you. It's good to have you because sometimes I need to have your perspective to put with whatever vague memories I have, you know? Well, together, we can find one memory. Totally. We can patch them. We can patch it. Yes, I love it.

I love it so much. Thank you. Have a great day. You have a great day. Thank you. Bye. Bye, everybody. Hi.

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