Are You A Charlotte? - The Hunk Is Back. Jason Lewis is here!

Episode Date: July 16, 2026

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join us on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, I'm Kristen Davis, and I want to know, are you a Charlotte? Okay, so we have the fantastic Jason Lewis here with us. Listen, you have so much weird and interesting stuff going on that I don't even really know where to begin. Normally, where I would begin was going back in time, but I want to do that in a minute because right now, first of all, Have you moved to Costa Rica 100%? More or less. I'm not like a citizen there, but it's definitely where I'm hanging my hat.

Do you have a place here? No. Wow. So yes. Amazing. And when did that happen? About three years ago. Wow.

So was that COVID or just after COVID? No, it was after COVID. I just, I sat down at one point in I wanted, I did a life by design. I started listing what did I want life to look like. Like, top of list is I used to be able to speak a pretty decent French and Italian, but nobody uses that in the States. And so I just started learning Spanish. And I want to learn Spanish.

And I wanted to be where the water was warm. I could be healthy. Food's amazing. And I want to write a book. So you already had the desire to write a book before you moved there. I started outlining the series of novels in, um, September before COVID. So for me, COVID was an obsessive

figuring out the arc of nine different books. Like I had post-it notes on the ceiling and stuff. Okay, so back up a bit, back up a bit. Had you ever written before? Yes. I've written for years. Okay, like just for yourself or for... Well, my inner critic never really let me share.

There's an iron glass. He talked about the idea of, you know, we get into creative pursuits because of our taste, but it's a long journey, and every artist should know that from where you enter through your taste and being able to execute on them. That makes sense, yeah. And so I never really wrote anything that I felt,

you know, I could tell the difference between reading something that was excellent in my story. But you were like creatively, internally drawn to writing for a long, long time. I'd probably written seven scripts before, I wrote that. And actually, at first I thought, you know, I'll write this as, because, you know, I'm just coming from being in television and film, I was like, I'll write it as a series. Right.

And the more I explored it, like, the idea of writing a novel was outside, because I kind didn't have the permission of self to do it. Sure. And, but the more I looked at it, I was like, look, I have to be economical if I write this as a screenplay. Right. As a series. If I want to create the world that's in my head, right as a novel.

Okay, so let's talk about the world that's in your head. So you're saying that this is going to be a series of nine books. That's what I've plotted. That's cool. To be clear, I'm only on the first one. Cool, that's cool. But you have post-its for nine. Yeah.

Well, I'd say it's all digital now. Okay, got it. Whatever. In my mind, it's a room full of post-its. But did you previously like fantasy and sci-fi? Are we in the sci-fi or the fantasy? Everything. I'm a, I've always been a story lover.

I mean, I worked in libraries as a kid. I'd go to the movies by myself. So I'm an old style geek. Adorable. So I've loved every genre. I mean, like, you know, I love, like, you know, you get somebody like Hemingway in the economy or, you know, grim, dark fantasy, like Joe Abercombe.

My favorites today. Okay. Tolkien, I've probably read three times. and read the Simmerleian and, you know. Got it, got it, got it. So we're like that. Like, that's our mode, like, like a rich world that you've created. Yes.

Okay. So it's not Earth. It's human-like people. Oh. It's a different universe. Okay. So, so, so, so you're here, but you're not, you're here, right, when this happens. Like you're living in L.A.

Yeah, I was in Los Angeles when I started penning it, yeah. But then you're thinking to yourself, like, I want to change. I want to live somewhere where I can be healthier or... Yeah, you know, you step into any pursuit with a general idea of what you're getting into. I had no idea what I was really diving into. And as it kept expanding and it became central focus, I realized that I meant it. And to do...

I'm on the fourth draft of number seven. which I started with book, The Ending Saga. So I'm going to write the ending of the story and then work my way back to the origin. Wow. And it's an 800-page book right now. So I needed that focus and dedication to, like, hopefully it'll be a drummer. Wow. Did you study writing or did you get some help?

Did you, how did you? Both. I've always written. Again, I always love story. and so I've always expressed it, you know, through short stories or poems or whatever, just growing up. No, I think that it's important to study.

I think there's no one answer. You have to find your own path, you know. There's, you know, a common idea of plotsers and pancers, you know, do you write by the, I think it's a combination of both. I tend to integrate a lot of different structure things. Like I'm a big fan of this. the heroine's journey. You know,

we classically think of story as the hero's journey, but heroin's journey is more found family and growth instead of I go out into the world alone and I can never return because I've seen too much.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think those stories are still great, but I also don't think they serve as well for learning a growth or today's world. Interesting.

Yeah. But did you, like, did you just kind of self-study those types of ideas? Yes. I mean, I read a lot of books.

There's a lot of material out there. Went to writing ceremony on ours to. Oh, cool, cool. So you were doing that like back. I've been doing that forever. That's so amazing. And so in your mind you kind of thought,

oh, maybe a script, then you were like, no, I don't want to be economical. I want to just write. Like I just want to go. Yeah, it's, look, the thing I'm making, I was like, nobody's gonna hand me HBO money. And they'll get, you know, just chopped into little, 80-bitty pieces of the vision I want.

That's very realistic, yeah. Yeah. And, you know, purely speaking, it also means control because not to talk business, but let's talk business. You write a screenplay, somebody options that they hold that property. And, you know, they can hold it for just the loss on their books and you never get to do a damn thing with it. That's right.

But if I write a novel, I can lease that and continue to develop my idea for as far as I want. Yeah. So it just made sense for pure freedom of expression. Wow. So then you're thinking, okay, so I want to live. somewhere different where I can be healthy and have warm water. Stop that. And you, so you, had you gone to Costa Rica and you just loved to?

Oh, yeah. I've been a water baby forever. So I've probably been to Costa Rica. Matter of fact, I just got back from Costa Rica two days before I, for the first time, book Sex in the City. You're kidding. No. Well, that's a good segue.

Let's discuss that. So, you know, it's funny because part of the joy of rewatching the show, because I haven't watched it in, you know, since the beginning since we were doing it, right? I don't remember hardly anything of this whole phase that we're in. I remembered a lot of the beginning. And I remember when you came. I have memories of you coming. I have memories of the stress of finding the guy, right? Like, you remember. I didn't have to deal with that. Right. But I mean, it was a big deal. Like they were very into your part. And, you know, then you showed up and they were like, thank God. We found the guy. But I don't know what that experience was like for you.

you because I never asked you because we were in the middle of Phil. Like, I don't remember asking you questions like this back then. Yeah, I mean, or right. Yeah. Um, I think actually having been in Costa Rica helped a lot because I had that kind of just Zen thing going on in the moment. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And ultimately, if you look at like, Sex and the City is good writing.

Michael Patrick King and the whole team, Cindy, and all them, they were good writers. Yeah. Because they didn't just make it about the superfluous, the sex. and say it was about you four girls, your friendships and your growth. Yeah. And the guys were articulations of that. You know, you were the hub and we were spokes.

Yes. And sometimes you were obstacles and sometimes you were conduits, right? And you're a conduit, which is so exciting. And we'll get to that in a minute. And so that's what I think, you know, I'm being serious with the Zen Costa Rican thing because when you look at Samantha's character,

her issues were vulnerability. you know, rebellion, pushing back, feeling safe to let herself be seen. And, you know, Richard did her no well. You know, first time she shows herself as being vulnerable, she paid the price. And so Smith's character was somebody who could offer acceptance.

And so I think I was just in like, hey, everything's great, you know. That was your general vibe when you were around, which was kind of amazing because it was not the vibe of the set, right? Like we were, we ran like intense. Yeah, it was an intense production. You guys were on. I used to call it privately Michael Patrick King Batman

because that dude was on it. Big time. You're running two crews. He was on both sets. He was leading the writing. And directing sometimes. And editing, doing post-production, casting. All of it.

All of it is so true. He's super intense and impressive. I agree. But also Cindy, Jenny, everybody, everybody. So great. John, absolutely. John is the, like, the magician behind the curtain, basically. He made sure all the fires got put out or where they needed to be. Absolutely, all of the things. Anything that anyone needed, John.

Yeah, these things do not get done by. No, not at all. There's a camera. So when you, so you'd been to Costa Rica and then you were in New York or you were here. I was living in New York. So that was, if you remember, that was an incredibly heavy blizzard period. Oh, I forgot about the blizzard. It was so, like we had had such an Uber,

uber, over hard winner. And one night I was out at dinner with a friend, and I was like, I've had enough. I'm done. I'm going. And so we got back from dinner to this place. One second. Modeling?

Acting. No, I was acting. Got it, got it. So you'd been modeling in the past? I had modeled in the past. I walked away from that because I tripped into my first acting gig. And again, like, you know, sometimes you don't give yourself permission to do stuff. And I got offered a part because of, you know, notoriety.

And I was like, oh, this is the storytelling I've always wanted to do. Why wouldn't I pursue this? And I tried to do both things. But you have to be available to be an actor. Definitely. And I was never available. Got it. So I walked away from a lucrative career.

I was young enough and idealistic enough to do it. Totally. Let me ask you this question just because I'm always curious. when you were modeling and you were jet-setty, you were doing all the things, the shows and all the cool things, were you happy or were you like, this is just for right now?

Honestly, it was such a wonderful opportunity. It transformed as I did it. You know, at first I had a much smaller worldview because I hadn't seen the world. Sure. You know, when I first got to Paris, I had no real intention. I was just a young uncle.

kid from how old i was 21 i turned 21 like right before i got there a baby yeah and it was you know it was a different world then too like we didn't have this monoculture we have now like i was in a different country there was no phoning home and it was there was a point of awareness because i had a three-month ticket i had saved up some money and this agency like you know they had front of me the ticket and i didn't i really didn't take it serious um as I was coming to the end of that ticket, and this was back in the day of paper tickets, there was no rebooking.

It was like, you know, I realized that if I returned to what I knew, I would do what I had done. That I had an opportunity to invent myself in a way I had no clue as to what the outcome could be, but the ceilings were higher. Yeah. And so I ripped up the ticket,

forced myself to stay. And luckily, one of my first hobbies was photography. Oh. At a dark room and everything. So I just started creating my own book and started taking it seriously and got a little lucky, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Well, you were also extremely gorgeous. Thank you. You still are. That was also a good thing. I didn't really have that sense of self. You never had that sense of self. I agree. I mean, that was what was interesting.

I was more focused on doing it as business, and I think that served me. Definitely. Once I saw it as an opportunity, I treated like business. Most definitely. Super smart. Super smart.

So you're there. You tear up the ticket. It goes well. No. No. Okay. No. I starved for a while.

What? I used to. In Paris? Yes. Oh my gosh. I, well, statute of limitations are done on this. Yeah. Tell us anything.

I would case a bakery and still a baguette. And then I would run. I think you're allowed to steal back at it. No one's going to come get you. And then I would. And then I would. I would go to like an outdoor cafe and take a pot. I'd open it up before I got there and take a pot of their mustard and dump it on.

And then I'd have mustard bread sandwiches for a lot of my meals. That's so crazy. Slept on floors. Wow, that's fascinating. And then what changed there? I got a booking. Like I said, I managed to put together a pretty good book. I still had the agency that I was working with at the time and got a booking and started

making money and then. So it took kind of that one first booking and then it moved along since then. Interesting. And you're still super young. And you're just rolling with it. I think, yeah. I think my first like decent money started coming in about a year and a half later. Wow.

So there was like a six month starvation period where they were, you know, like, I could buy this one cucumber and this piece of cheese. What? Yeah. It was easy to stay. I'll tell you what. That's amazing. It's so interesting to me because, like, you know, you look at you.

I mean, I wasn't thinking objectively about all this at the time, right? Like, you just showed up and everybody was so excited, you know, and there was, I'm just going to say this now because it's really on my mind from watching the shows again. And I do have some memories. Like, the thing that I remember the most, I remember the stress about your part. And I remember everyone discussing, like, who are we going to get? It's got to be this and it's got to be that. And like they had built it up, you know, so much so that you were going to be, you were going to be vulnerable, but you're going to be beautiful.

And you were going to be so hot, you know, whatever that means, right, which is so subjective, right? But it had to be someone where all the women in your restaurant that your character was a waiter in would be trying to go home with you, right? And then Samantha would also think you were like the prize, right? And obviously she can have and do whatever she wants theoretically, right? So, but you also had to be vulnerable. And you also had to match her energy and, like, have. like some power in the, you know, presence with her. And she had very strong, strong energy.

Oh, yeah. So it was so many things. And I remember a lot of stress of them talking. And I remember then they so excited that they found you. Everyone would be like, oh, they found him, you know, whatever. And then you show up and you were just so calm and likable and sweet, you know. And like I was just like, oh, my God, I want to take care of him. But then I couldn't really take care of you because I was over here doing my thing.

And you know what I mean? but remember when we had that scene and I can't remember are you doing a play and we come to see the play and you're naked oh Jesus I was just I mean trial by fire I know I was dying for you I mean was that the first thing you filmed or am I is that just my first strong memory it's probably you're just it's a standout one it was a lot man I mean yeah a whole theater full of people I mean a big theater and you're completely naked and then they make you back you back and you're completely naked and then they make you back And I was like, you guys, give this poor guy a break. Poor cameraman. Oh, they were fine. Believe me, they'd seen a lot by then. You know what I mean? They've seen a lot.

But I just was like stressed for you because I felt like, first of all, you'd been built up to this thing, right? Second of all, and you were doing so great. Like your way that you were with everyone was so relaxed and put everybody at ease, which was so nice, especially in someone so gorgeous. You don't expect it. And for men who are so gorgeous. I feel like the objectification element must be odd.

I think it's equal for men and women in different ways. There's a term for it. It's called the Cinderella effect, psychological term. And this idea that people see you other than what you are. And the Cinderella effect is the negative aspect of it. You know, the mean step sisters hating. Cinderella for being Cinderella. Yes.

Yeah, I mean, I'd had some practice with it before then. And like I said, I never really had that as my worldview. For me, I was lucky enough to have spent a lot of time in books and reading, having other opinions. But, you know, in that time, I think there was also a gift in it because the best thing that we can do is develop our empathy for others to try and understand what other people go through. And we live in a different conversation now. You girls are from a different time than what these girls had to put up with. To be a strong woman at that time, like,

to hold your power, like you're, you're bitch and, you know, sorry. You can say anything. Okay. Okay. Like, so you either had to be like this strong arm bitch. Or you had to be super accommodating. And boy, where the judgment, and not that it's completely gone, but the equanimity is more present than it used to be. Yeah. And so I got, you know, in some ways to experience and see what you ladies went through. As a matter of fact, I mean, that's, I remember when the show first got announced long before I ever, like, had anything to do with it. I was like, I wonder if this will work because the world is the world going to let four young, women be leading ladies.

That's not television. You could do it on the golden girls, but. Right. But you were, that was a different class. This was an HBO show. Right. It was totally, totally different. And so exciting.

Yeah. So exciting to be a part of. But there was a lot of negative in the beginning. Sure. And then, you know, it slowly eroded. And I think a lot of that had to do with the writing, right? And it being so relatable and people, you know, finding themselves in it and women embracing it obviously, but like eventually the men, the, it was really, I think, driven by the

male critics who were like older white guys at the time. Yes, different time. Different time for sure. But I also think that over time, you know, it served a purpose and the writing filled so much like when I, because you were coming and I was like, well, I could watch this first episode because obviously that's when you show up, but it's just a tiny, tiny taste of what was coming. And I just fell down the rabbit hole and I just couldn't stop watching, right?

so I stayed up too late last night watching because it's really, really fun to watch. Like I totally can see what we created in a much more objective way now in terms of... Absolutely. Plus you don't have the pressure of doing your character. The characters were human. Yeah.

I mean, I think Sex and the City, unlike some of the spinoff things, of course, sensational fun, stories are meant to entertain. But a good story entertains with allegory. and we have space through the change and the challenges that the characters go through to assess our own experience in life.

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Our conversation with Michael Bublay is out now. Listen to Hey, Jonas, in the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. also like your crazy sex scenes you had with Samantha I don't know I was like what what I'm going to do I was like I was like oh shit yeah I really did get thrown into it right away I mean what did you think like what were your thoughts at the time uh hold on for sure look I think part of it you know of course it was overwhelming I'd done enough at the point to have a different you know sense of

self than the kid who had first gone to Europe. But you could see, like, you could see it in the writing. You know, I hadn't seen much of the show beforehand. And when I got hired, I had a huge binge watch and watched from start to finish. And so I could see clearly the level of commitment of the writers and the actors that this show meant something. Yeah. And so, you know, there's more safety to do something like that because it wasn't just the bullshit. Yeah.

You know, oh, yeah, here, let's get naked. You know, there was a real, and looking back on that character in the arc, there was a real story purpose to this character. Major. Yeah. Major. Did you know that when they hired you? What did they say? No.

I just knew that, like, there was this amazing opportunity for a wildly successful show and, oh, yeah, sure, I'll show up. Of course. It was a great audition. Did Michael talk to you about the plan? A little, you know, he was kind of Michael. He did him. Kept it close. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But I had to do the naked play scene in the audition. What? Yes. But wait, you didn't have to take your clothes off. No, no, no, no, no. No, he wasn't a, he wasn't a skirt. That would be really bad. Okay, okay.

Michael was a sweetheart. Of course, he's a sweetheart. But you had to do that in the... Yeah, and so at first, and this is where... I'm glad I did the research and knew enough about the show before I did the audition. So I did my take on the play, and it was a little too comical tongue-in-cheek, I think. And he gave me a direction, and I remember saying to him, I was like, oh, so you want this more like a Pitner play?

Yeah. And he's like, it was super serious. Exactly. Oh, wow. And I went, oh, so even with the comedy of this moment, you are putting the depth underneath it and you always want it there. Definitely. So I think, you know, knowing that, like you're more willing to do the weird, vulnerable shit that was being thrown out there.

Yeah, because you knew that you knew that the depth was more important and that they would be going to that place at some point. Yeah, you weren't just taking your clothes off for the sake of taking the clothes off. Which is, I think, a huge difference. Huge difference. That's the thing that people talk about to with sex scenes. Like, is it serving the plot? Is it somehow forwarding the story?

Yeah, because ultimately everything should be in service of the story. The actor is the director of the writers. Absolutely. The story comes first. And when you know that's happening, as an actor, you're like, how lucky am I? Definitely. I get to tell a story that matters. So when you first came on the show, what was the contractual commitment in terms of number of episodes or what?

Oh, I don't know if I remember that. Yeah, me neither. I think it was like six or something. That's what I thought. It wasn't what it turned into. No, it was like, we'll see if this works out. Got it. And did they ever talk to you about the cancer or where it was going with Samantha's character?

Never. Not until we got close to it. Wow. So you were just along for the ride and just trusting Michael. And I remember you talking. Like you were around. Like you weren't like some guys when they come on our show. We're like, well, this is their show. I'm just visiting.

I'm just going to come and go. I remember you would hang out. You'd be at Valley Village, video Village, you know what I mean? Yeah, but I also felt very super invited. I mean, I remember my very first day, which was that restaurant scene. Yeah.

Amuse Bouch. A moose bouch. That was hard to say for some reason. I remember that. I remember like some, because we were all like, what is this? Like, we didn't really know vegan terms. Yeah.

Right? I was nervous as hell because she, You know, like, sure. First day on set. You guys were a established production. Everybody knows each other. It's like going to a new school. Of course.

And everybody knows everyone. And you're the new guy. Yeah, that's hard. And then ironically, lunch was at a school cafeteria across the street from the restaurant location. That's funny. And I remember when I went into line, there's rules for lunch. and it's not an elitist thing,

it's a production thing. People above the line get first dibs on the food because then they have to get back in hair and makeup while everybody's setting stuff up. So it's, you know, get these people fed and then get them turned around. And so I had walked in to the line

and I got pulled out by a PA because he didn't know who I was. And at first I was like, what did I? Oh, he doesn't realize it. And so I got back in line. and I grabbed my lunch and I looked out over the sea of people and I'm like, I'm all alone. Oh, no. And I wasn't because Sarah came right up to me.

You guys were sitting together and just took me and sat me down and immediately you were there and Cynthia was there. And I think Kim wasn't. I don't remember. But I remember Sarah grabbing me from the lunch line and seeing the lost puppy. And you brought me in right away. I'm glad. You were very like warm and engendering.

Good. I think by then we really realized for especially guys who had an arc, right, which we knew you at that point that you were not just like couple, right? That you were an arc. I think we realized that it's hard, it's hard to come in. We've obviously been established for a while. By that point, we were successful.

And in the beginning we'd had like these kind of one-off guys, right? You know, like I would have a date a week, basically in the beginning. But then we started having the longer. storylines and we knew that this was going to be a longer storyline and that it helped everybody for us to include and also like we don't want anyone feeling sad no you know wonderful so yeah i may have been showing up but it was easy to show up to like people made space i'm glad i'm so glad i just remember you being i just remember the hoopla before you got there and then i remember you coming and all this is going like whoa like good lord did they find the guy oh my god and then you're just

being the sweetest, sweetest, like so nice to everyone. Like all the writers loved you. Everybody always was like, oh, maybe Jason will come to X, Y, or Z. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like you were, you were like the new kid, but we were super excited, you know? That's what I remember. And I felt like you had such a hard job in terms of like you had to walk this line of being this hunk, you know, who she really wants, but then also you're an actor, but then that can be

such a cliche, right? which is kind of in the writing, which I loved. Well, again, like, I think that speaks to how good the writing was because they played into the tropes instead of, like, avoiding them. Yeah. But, like, your character, I think, you know, and you did an amazing job with it. Thank you. Because it would have been so easy for you to let that character be naive and annoying.

And instead, you know, there was sincerity and hope. Like all the characters served a purpose. They weren't just these character types. That's true. You know, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, you had that heart and it can work out. And that's, you know, where, you know, maybe, you know, Carrie was the analyst and Miranda was the critic.

And, you know, certainly Samantha was for fuck the world. Totally. Totally. Totally. And I think that's why, like, and this is what I love, like, to me, when we watch Samantha with you, it's the culmination of all of these years of seasons that she's been,

I'm doing what I want, I'm doing what I want, I'm untouchable, I'm going to take what I want, like such a kind of traditionally male power character. Yeah, absolutely. And so incredibly powerful as a result, right? Like, you just don't see this character.

You know what I'm saying? But that's also the thing about all the characters. Like there was something for all the characters to learn. Yeah. Like, because if there is no change, if there is nothing to learn and what's to care about. Absolutely. And that's what was so great for that character because you are like all the things at once, right? Like you're a hot, hunk, whatever, right?

Like she would theoretically want like her impulse of like, I want that, I want that. But then you're so much more. And you see her struggling against it, like the episode where you guys are role playing, you know, different things. that's so good and it has such a great conversation because I've forgotten all this right I'm like what is going on sorry my shoes are stuck together I'm like what is going on with this you know because you're she has like a not rape fantasy but like close right and you know you're just playing along it's so so likable and then she comes and she tells us the whole this is the scene where burger is going to tell us that he's just not that into it's such an amazing scene because it starts with her reliving this rape fantasy she had with you and I'm like Samantha you know rape you know in any form. No, no, no, no. And it shows each character's perception of that, right? And then you, she leaves because you call her and she's like, got to go, you know.

And then Miranda's telling us the whole, you know, blow by blow of her date the night before and how this guy she really likes, but he couldn't come up and he's going to call her. And Burger's like sitting there. And I have totally forgotten. I knew that that part was coming at some point, but, you know, you forget how seamlessly they would write it in. it's well in that again mark of a good writing like you know I actually was

you know when you asked me to do this I started reflecting a little and watched a couple episodes and just it's been resurfacing and yeah that's I think like when you have really good character development like they had it seems as if they've planned it from the very very go true because there's truth

connective tissue all the way through Yeah, yeah. And so I guarantee they had no idea there was going to be a Smith character when they started. No. But they understood the character that they made of Samantha. Yeah. Just like, you know, you ending up with Harry. Harry Evans character, like, well, you were the, you know, life's got to be in the perfect package.

And so your lesson as a character was to learn that sometimes things go different than you expected. Absolutely. Yes. And she has that lesson over and over and over, which is so great. I doubt they knew that they were going to write that character art, but they understood the character so well. And so the writings came from that. Naturally.

Yes. Came from the character and they understand. Yeah. I think that comes, and I'm sure that you're facing this with your own writing, it takes such confidence to trust that. It does. It's also a gift once you start doing something.

Because it kind of leads you to the answer. You know, it's almost letting it come in instead of pushing it out. Nice. You know, that's amazing. Yeah, like, you're like, huh, would the character really do this? No, this is dishonest. Like, one of the things I've worked the most on is that, understanding the motivations of why.

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Listen to Hey, Jonas, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. Let's go back to the writing for a second. So, you're in Costa Rica. Uh-huh. What does a day look like? Um, kind of boring. But you just, you just wake up and you, right? I get up like around four.

Oh my God. Why? Because I go to bed like 8.30. I like to see dawn. You like to see dawn. I live on like a 10 mile long beach. What? That's undeveloped.

Is the video that you made on Instagram, your beach? Yeah. Oh, Jason. So I'll either walk it or I'll run it or I'll surf it. I surf with the tide. So sometimes it's in the morning. sometimes it's midday. Wow, wow, wow.

And then, you know, I have my little routines. I get going, a little exercise, wake myself up, some coffee. And I put about, it depends on the day and other demands, but I write almost every day and I put a good five hours in most days. Amazing. Did you have to develop that discipline or did it just come? Absolutely. Okay. That's kind of hard, I think.

It is. It is. And it's also, like anything, you get a sort of kinetic. momentum. Going through the last draft, there are things that I've had to figure out. You know, when you decide that you're going to write across thousands of years and nine,

there's still a lot that I have to figure out. But I've figured out lineages and I know the ending of six. I know the ending of five. I know the ending of four, one, two, and three. I have all the big plots and these different characters. Now, there's going to be a lot. lot to discover along the way. But I look back at some of those earlier notes. I had no idea. Now you've got this concrete development of a thousand million choices that you've made and cobbled

together into a substance. And so that led to that sort of kinetic feeling. Like it's so easy. Like at first it was a forced discipline and now it's, I really want to get to the chair and most other things are in the way. Wow. So when you, so you said you were looking at, the fourth draft. Do you share it with someone or give advice? I did on the third, uh, is it the third draft that I did it?

The second. Sorry. That's okay. No, it was the second draft. So on the second draft of it, I gave it to a development editor. Got it.

Wonderful girl. Oh, got it. Got it. She really knows her stuff. This is their job. Yeah, she used to work for Harper Collins' fantasy and stuff. Cool. And it was great and it was really encouraging because I have spent an enormous amount of time alone.

Because it's like, it's really hard to bother people with this, honestly, telling people the, so what's Tolkien about? Elves. There's some elves in it. I don't have elves. It was really encouraging because her notes weren't very far off from what I already understood. Oh, good. And I've, in between all the drafts, what I do is I re-outly. line and I redevelop the, you know, the core structure as it's refined. Matter of fact, I just did a whole two-week thing on, because I really reached a point in the draft where there's this prophecy thing. I have my own magic system and history. So I wanted to make sure it was really clear before, because this is the draft that I will

put out to people and start getting like finished polish notes. I'd like to try and publish it on one more draft. Let's get back to you. Okay. So you're in Costa Rica. You're getting up. You exercise at 4 in the morning. So I usually I'll get up, you know, I have my coffee or some tea.

I do a little like warm up exercise. I like to start the day learning a little. Then I go for my walk. Then when I've gotten the ants out of my pants, I'll usually have a writing session in the morning. and then go have breakfast, and then I'll have another writing session. If I don't have a other demand, I'll do like a yoga nature or something just to step away. Nice, nice.

Or a nap. Amazing. And so basically my days are sort of rinse and repeat. I eat, I sleep, I write, I serve. I work out. Do you miss being here at all? Yes and no. There are things here that I can't access.

And, you know, I travel a good amount. Like, you know, go to New York. I was just there. And when I do, like, I just went to a comedy show last night with a buddy. Which was great. Really good to, good lineup. Yeah. Yeah.

So there's that kind of stuff. Yeah. But there is sort of a fundamental flaw that I do enjoy. Like, there's a simple, I live in a small town. And, yeah, maybe the ambitions are smaller, but nobody's invisible. That's nice. Yeah. It's really lovely.

Like we're kind of forgetting community, especially with the way social media and news and everything has been broadcast at people for all these years about creating this sense of us and them and each other. And, you know, the cohesiveness, like, you know, one time I, we were talking about your skunking issue earlier. When I got skunked, I was on a four-month camping trip. And I camped across the U.S. with my dogs. You know what I saw?

And the same thing I see everywhere I've traveled in the world. There's more that binds us as people than separates us. Definitely. And when we just are stuck in these anonymous, big system structures, we sometimes forget that. Of course. I think that's really, really important. Yeah. Really important to remember.

That's great. So you're more, you feel more part of a community. You're less. And I'm a bit of a hermit. I mean, like I said, I eat, I sleep. I, I serve. if I write. Like I spend a lot of time alone.

That's nice. I live sort of a quiet life. So when I... It suits you. You're saying it suits you. It suits the path I'm on. Right. Yeah.

Right. Right. So it might not be forever? No. Dream of Dreams. I write this book and the next book in a different country.

Oh. Wow. That's cool. I kind of want to like... I figure it take me about those more years for to

speak Spanish fluently. You need to speak Spanish fluently. I need about two more years. Okay. I've missed the years, but I knew the rest. Okay.

Cool. Cool. Two years to learn Spanish fluently or to finish the book? No, to learn Spanish fluently. Got it.

Okay. Okay. But probably that's about like the time where I would be, you know, publishing and stuff with this book.

Got it. So I don't know. I want to keep, but maybe I'll learn Portuguese next. Oh, Portugal. It's very cool.

I've never been there. I have either. It's on my brother. Yeah, it looks amazing. Me too. So do you miss acting at all? I do. I do because of the storytelling aspect of it.

I love storytelling. I love being a part of the story. And sets are so damn fun. They are fun, aren't they? They're interesting. Yeah. Very interesting. I've started putting more focus back towards returning to that.

Oh, great. Oh, I thought it was, I thought you were just. No, no, I think it's something that I'll always want to embrace. Nice. But there's, look, you know, as an actor, oftentimes you have very little participation in the creative direction of something. You're an interpreter. There's a joy I get from playing that puzzle all by myself.

I get it. I mean, that's one of the things that I realize now in retrospect we had, even though we didn't have the titles in the beginning of the show, we were so included. And because you're creating this character with the writers over time, over time, over time, you do get to have so much more input. Like it's satisfying in a different way. And I think that was also a testament to the vision and confidence of the team.

Michael and everybody, yes. Sure, like he knew what he knew. Like a good leader. Yeah. Lists to everything and then makes a decision. Yep. You know, a weak leader refuses to let the ideas in. Yeah, yeah, that's true.

that's true. No, he was always a porous. Like, I didn't realize this. I had him on maybe a couple weeks ago. Oh, nice. Yeah, yeah. It's so much fun to have the writer's on. It's really exciting. I mean, it's also great to have the actors on. Absolutely. Well, my whole point in doing this was two, really two things. One

is that I felt like everyone else was rewatching it and talking about it and putting their thoughts on it and whatnot. And I felt like, well, why aren't we part of that conversation? You know, like we made it, right? Like, let's talk about it. And I also wanted to kind of make a tapestry of the different voices of the different people that were part of making the show, right? Because it takes so many people, as you know,

like over all this time. You know, the writers, the producers, you know, I haven't had as many crew members on. Yeah, exactly. I would love to have more. But it takes a lot, a lot, a lot of people. And also, I'd love to hear because it has turned into, it's held its place so well, you know,

which we never really could have ever dreamt of, you know? So it's amazing to talk about it. Definitely. Definitely. I do think it comes to what we keep bringing up. The characters are as relatable now as... That's why books last hundreds of years. You know, the time periods have changed, but the humanity hasn't.

Absolutely. And the questions, like, you know how Carrie always has a question every episode about a relationship. I'm always like, that's such a good question. I have to ask that question about X, Y, or Z, right? Like, it really is incredible. And, again, that's the writing, but it's also the execution of the writer. Oh, absolutely. You know, as you mentioned earlier, you know, we were an intense, it was an intense world,

which I think has been, you know, somewhat misinterpreted or whatever, misconstrued, I guess, out there in the world. But I think that to me, part of the reason that the show is so good is because every single person took their job very seriously. Absolutely. Right. Yeah. And did damn good jobs.

It's like, powerhouse acting. Absolutely. But, you know, everybody. Costume. Set deck. Everybody was like very committed. Yes. You know what I'm saying?

I mean, costume. Right. Tell us what you remember. Oh, God. She was like one of the most amazing people ever. Yeah. Pat. Yeah.

Pat filled, sorry. Yeah, that's okay. They know, but, you know, just got to say it. She, like, was just a force of nature. She was before she ever got in. It's like she was a known icon in New York. Yeah, yeah, yeah. before she had hired for the show.

Like were you tapped in that kind of stuff before? Yeah, because of the modeling, I knew who she was. And, you know, like for me in New York, especially at that time, like, it gets more hegemonized now. Yes. But at that time, New York was this vibrant, be who you are location. Like, I landed in my first, like, days in New York and I was like, holy shit, you can be whoever you want to be here. And it's okay. Definitely.

Like, I used to love that about New York, because the different echelons of people that would intermingle. Yeah, yeah, that's so true. And so she would be, yeah, I mean, I'd seen Pat out like, you know, things like CBGBs. Really? Yeah, she was a wild child. She was out and doing it. You were out there, too? Yeah, well, I was supposed to be.

I was in my early 20s. Oh, my God. That's funny. I never think of you that way. I mean, I was so, like, fuddy-duddy by that point because I was sober, so I wasn't necessarily always in a way. By the time I was, you know, I was like 30 something when I got hired on. Oh, were you?

So, yeah, I was, I was a team. You look so young. I mean, didn't we all. Last time in Costa Rica. Let's discuss again. Let's discuss. So you come, you're like, well, this is a lot, right? And you're thrown in.

And then what was it like when your first episode aired? Um, it was interesting because, you know, I was still young enough that I think I definitely got a little, carried away with self. You did? Yeah, not like arrogant and weird, but like was going out and like, let's do all the things. What's wrong with that? I mean, yeah, why not? Well, it was too much. I got one of my

best lessons. I overplayed my hand and burned the candle at both ends and came a little unprepared to set. Oh, oh. Oh, yeah. Oh, no. Let me know. Did you not lower your lines? Like, what way? I was rough. I was rough. Got it. Yeah. And what did he say?

He let me know that I should never do that again. And it was great. It was really good because it, you know, it was like, yeah, you're here to do a job. Yeah. You're not here to f***ing around and play. Yeah. And so the fuck around and the play is great. But, and so, you know, the first, when it first came out, like, I definitely, I think got a little excited.

Well, rightly so. Yeah. Yeah. But then very much, you know, realize what a wonderful opportunity. And this is something I love doing. and, you know, that was far more important than some party. I'm Ruby Carr, the host of the podcast, Encore. Check out our brand new episodes featuring music from the show

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I thought you were all going to write a song. I remember you thinking that. Listen to Podlandia. Ayo rewatch on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, everyone, it's the Jonas Brothers. This week on the podcast, Hey, Jonas, we're hanging out with the one, the only, the only, and the one Michael Boubley. You guys, I'm genuinely a huge fan. Like, it's funny, you know, I made a whole thing about doing this TikTok where I got you guys to sign the guitar.

But it was real, like, we listen to in the car all the time. Like, it literally is hanging up with all your signature. Wow. I am so honored. After Kevin's recent, let's call it, interesting confession about Michael. I had a feeling this wasn't going to be going away. We figured there's only one thing to do.

We must invite Michael Buhlis on the podcast, and we want to know what's on his sexy time playlist. You know, I did an interview, and they're like, have you heard about this Jonas Brothers thing? And they were like, what did you think of it? I was like, well, I mean, it's reciprocal. Like, what a man going to do? What a man ought to do.

We talk about Kevin's confession, Michael's reaction, and a whole lot more. Do you have a hockey rink in your house? I do, I do. Our conversation with Michael Bublay is out now. Listen to Hey Jonas in the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So, okay, so you're in New York. It comes out.

Is the response positive? Oh, yeah. Okay, God. Well, also, you know, I mean, look at me. I look like sort of an atypical male figure from the high school bully or whatever. Wait, what? I mean, I had a certain reaction. Look how to say this.

Lesbians liked me a lot more after sex than the city came out. Lesbians specifically. Okay. Well, I never had a problem with the gay community, but I look like that guy. Oh, you mean people like projected on to you. Got it.

Projected an idea of who I was supposed to be. Got it. All of a sudden, you know, like I said. You look like the bully. Is that what you're trying to tell me? The bully or the guy who put himself like in the cool pocket. Got it. Yes. You did look very cool. Very cool. Yes. That wasn't my, you know, how I carried self. And I remember there was a tangible shift because I was still going out. And, you know, there's the art scene and the music scene in New York at that time was so vibrant. And I was like, oh, wow. Like, I'm one known now.

Right. There's nothing anonymous about me in New York because this is New York show. Right. But also it shifted that perception that I was that guy. Cool. Yeah. That's nice. Yeah, it was super positive. That's really, really nice.

I like that. I mean, because I feel like what I really loved and hadn't really remembered about your very, very first episode. The way that you are within what they wrote, right? Like they wrote, it's cool how they kind of, you're like a woman, like a desirable woman. Yes, absolutely. The objectification scene. Right. Definitely.

Like all those girls are there and they all want to go home with you. and it's like a showdown between Samantha and this other girl and they're on sipping their tops and whatever. It's kind of crazy. I'd forgotten all of that. And then they're doing that swinging dick energy. Big time. Big time. Big time.

But with some, like you had a twinkle in your eye from the get go, right? Like that you were in on the game or that you were going to kind of undercut it or that, you know, like there was something counter counter to what, you know, like underneath it from immediately, which I hadn't remember. and was impressive. And then you, I can't remember the first one because then, like I said, I fell down the hole and I had to watch a lot. But you go home and you say, you, oh, yeah, and you go like, you know,

you didn't have to come back and do all this. I was ready to go home with you. Like, they were just very cut, cut the nonsense to the fun. And then like to watch how it went after that, like you do this crazy thing with the role playing and the crazy sex acrobatics insanity that I had also fully forgot. And then you try to, you start trying to get to the real thing with her.

Like you tell her your name. And you're like, you don't know my name because she's calling you Mr. Hansom or something. What's she calling you Mr. Something? Like Mr. Sexy. And you're like, yeah, you don't know my name. Do you? Like you're just cutting away from the nonsense with her. But in such a likable way.

Yeah. And again, when you're hand in good writing, it's easy to act. I mean, not easy. No, no, it's true. It does the work. You don't have to invent it. You find it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

They never played hard on it, but that's what his whole sober thing is. So the way I saw the characters or see the characters in retrospective is here is this woman who in some respects, I'm going to borrow a term from Brunei is foreboding joy. Rather than allow herself to fill anything for people. I'm just going to have the fun. I'm going to keep it detached. And that, but there's a certain lack of full experience for doing that.

Yeah. And then you have this guy who comes in who can be completely comfortable and accepting. And I think that that was, you know, like with the alcoholism and whatnot. It was somebody who had found comfort and self. But like any good, really good writing, I think that's also, you know, what she offered him. was like ambition. Yeah, great. It's good to be comfortable.

Right. And accepting, but it's also okay to want more. Right. And on her side of it, it's like, you know, it's okay to let the world touch you. That's really interesting. And so I don't think, you know. What good writing. Oh, my God.

He was really good. I know. But also like you got the really good stuff. You know what I mean? Like some of the other guys didn't get the really good stuff. No offense. No, I mean. Well, not every character in the story is...

Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And there's nothing against the actor. No, and no, no. It's a joy if you grab it. Yes. And did you know at the time? Like, what were your thoughts at the time?

Did you just think like, wow, I'm so lucky and thankful that I happen to be in this spot? Super. I think, you know, that's one thing I've always been fortunate is I've had a very developed sense of gratitude. And so, yeah. I knew from the go that. that it was a gift. Even if it was for, you know, you asked earlier, if it had just been the short run,

it would have been a gift. I had no idea that it would continue and expand like that. Okay, can we just talk for a second, too? Because you're in both movies. Hmm. That's so funny. I had somehow not remember that,

though when I think about Morocco, I remember you there. I remember being in Morocco because I got sick. And I got sick after you got sick. Did you know that I got sick? No. I got sick to Jason.

We got the, crazy thing, you guys. It's well documented. I don't need to go into detail. But can I also tell you? I believe that we got it from the sand. And I talked to Duane Johnson about this because Dway when he played the mummy got it and told

crazy stories that I totally related to about getting the thing that you can get in Morocco, which is like Montezuma's revenge. Oh, it's worse. It's insane. Yeah, it knocked me antibiotics. And I remember you, me too. I remember you in the car when we had to go from,

I guess. That drive was long. I got lucky because we went out to the golden dunes, like a border of Algeria. The edge of the Sahara. We had flown on a plane and then had to drive forever. Right. And we were in the same car. Do you remember?

You were in the front. And I was starting to melt down. And I got really lucky because I didn't have to shoot the first couple of days. And you disappeared. You didn't know where you were. I couldn't move. Right. We didn't know where you were.

You were missing. I mean, I could move, but I had one direction. I understand. I totally understand. I totally understand. This crazy thing happened to us to you guys. It didn't happen to everybody, but it happened to. No, Jason.

So wait, we flew. We were in Marrakesh before we drove, right? Like, where do you think you got, do you have any idea in your mind? Like, how did you get it? Were you in the sand at all before we drove? I'm an adventurous eater, so I thought maybe. Got it, got it, got it.

Because I'm not. Because I went to the markets and I spoke, yeah. You went to the souk. Yeah. Got it. Well, I went to the, I didn't go to the tourist one. You didn't go to the tourist one? Okay.

At the time, like I said, I had a pretty good French. And so I went to the concierge and I asked like, you know, where should I go? And I could hear in the discussion. So I went out to the taxi line and I heard them talking. And I basically, because I didn't let them in on the fact that I understood them. Right. But basically since I already had a destination in mind, I wasn't going to be. going to go to the place where they'd get their kick back.

Oh, yeah, it's a whole thing. So I got tossed to the low man on the totem pole. And when I got in his car, I was like, hey, look, man, I understood everything you guys were just talking about. So I tell you what, how much you want for a day rate? And he's like, and at the time they exchanged, it was something like $100. Oh, my God. And I was like, I'll give you that for the next four hours if you stop BS and me.

I don't want to go where you take all the tourists. I want to go where your family shops. Wow. I want to go where you have lunch. Meadow. There you have it. So it was a great day of experience. Right.

But too adventurous. I paid a lot more than a hundred bucks. Big time, big time. I mean, okay, so then we drive off to the Timbuktu area, right, where we filmed the Sahara. Which was incredible. It was incredible. Do you remember that place we stayed? It was like an old fortress.

Yeah, it was really neat. So beautiful. Yeah, I did not sleep there. Dunes really were, why? Ghost? I don't know. I don't know. I never sleep that well anyway. Still, for this day, it's the most incredible stars I've ever seen. Right? I was up on the top of that building looking at the stars. Like not sleeping at all.

Had a full meltdown the next day in the scene, which Michael and I discussed, I yelled at Michael one of the few times in my life that I've yelled at Michael after this. So, you know, remember I have to fall off the camel and everything? It was really hard. And I hadn't slept and I was just like losing my mind. Yeah. losing my mind. And I think I was fighting the thing that I ended up getting, but I didn't know it yet, right? So I was like off. And I got mad at him because he, he never said anything positive when I was falling off the camel. I had to follow off over and over and over. And he was

walkie talking because he couldn't walk across the sand who, he's talking to us. And he kept telling Cynthia, who was just sitting there on the camel, right? Like we were sharing the camel. She didn't have to do anything. And he kept telling her what a great job she was doing. And I was like, is he ever going to tell me that I'm doing a good job, ever? never did. And so did you bring that up when you had them on? Yes, I did. And what did he say? Stomp down the thing and I yelled at him. And he said, I don't know what he said. He said something that I thought was lame. And then I yelled some more. And then I started crying, which I always do if I get that mad. And then I cried all my makeup off. And then it was a drama because I made everybody wait. It's really bad. It was like the only time. I know. I mean, also we're like in the dunes, right? So it's a day. You don't know what I'm saying. It's a day. Not a day.

Not a day for me to cry my makeup off. Every known, people are human. It happens. It was definitely a human moment. What did he say? I don't know what the heck he said. I think he was like, what is wrong with you? Was he doing like, no, not at the time.

You mean why was he doing that? Yeah. Did he have an answer for? He never had an answer. I'm sure he was doing something. He always had a way. You were supposed to be in distress. So maybe he was like, he's like, I want to leave her on the skillet.

I mean, honestly, I have never gotten to the bottom of it. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like I brought it, brought it up. He brought it up, actually. And he was like, you know, when you come stomping down, mad, big mad, big man. I was like, I was big mad. I really was big mad.

Big mad. I love that. Big man. I know. It was. It was how I was feeling, which is rare, very, very rare. And very rare that I would express it. A stressful, I mean, look, for me, it was easy pie because I had so little responsibility

on that. But, you know, that was, I think, a stressful thing for him, though, too. And for all of you, because, you know, the first one, less of the burden was upon him. That one, it was all on it. All on him. You wrote it. He directed it. It was a big budget.

The first one, too. Big deal. No one thought we were going to succeed. And like you said, practically speaking, that was an exhausting journey. because it was like two days of travel, different time zone, hard conditions. People think that acting is such a glorious job. I know, I know, I know. But in some ways, it really was so incredibly gorgeous.

Oh, it's an incredible adventure. Yeah. But it can be like the hard as long as challenging hours. You know what I mean? You don't expect. Like, because you have to, when you're acting, you know, between action and cut, you have to be 110% or 150%. So if your body isn't with you 100%

it's really, really hard. It's really, really hard. And I don't think any of us were, you know, it was hard to be 100%. But it was also like incredible. You mean in the middle of a desert and the heat? Exactly. In the middle of the Sahara.

I know. I'm wearing our crazy wardrobe. Totally, totally. But it was like, I'm just so thankful. And how many times had you. ridden a camel before. I had never written a camel, but I had traveled a lot. You know what I mean? I was into the travel part with the camel, but we had a really sweet camel, but I had to fall off the camel and no one spoke English. So, I was falling off onto this mattress, but no one holding

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That was easy because that was in Malibu. Oh, yeah. Of course. You were in Malibu. Of course. That's great. What did you think of the films? Were you like, this is incredible or were you like, oh, I'm tired of doing this?

No, not at all. I mean, you know, look, again, like I said, I'm fortunate that I've always had a a sense of gratitude. And I think life is richer with one. Yes. Certainly your joy follows gratitude. I didn't make that up. Absolutely.

And so I've always just been very, very appreciative that I was included at all because you didn't have to be. Right. Yeah. Again, I truly believe the men were spokes to the hub. Like, that show was not about the relationship.

relationships ultimately. It was about the, well, at least the romantic relationships. It was about the friendships and the growth of the four girls. I think both. And so the, yeah, of course. Like, so, but the, they were like the, the outside relationships were the crucible. Yeah.

Through which the development of the individual friendships and the women's, their characters. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so it's not that they were, I'm not saying they were superfluous or useless in any way. Yeah. But it, they were the catalysters. Yeah. for the chemistry.

Definitely. Definitely. And I think, you know, I think it's at the end of the show where Carrie's voiceover says something about how, you know, everything is just really about your relationship with yourself and learning to love yourself. Absolutely. And that would have been all like our friendship,

but also all these other relationships. Well, and certainly that was her character's challenge, like the inability to make that healthy sane choice. You know, like, let's keep going for Mr. Big. Exciting. You're going to burn your hand on the stove guy. I know. I know. It's so funny to re-watch Mr. Begg. It's just, wow. I have a lot of strong feelings.

But I'm somewhat feeling better now because he's now moved to Napa. You know, this group that I watched last night, he's in Napa. And they have this weird phone sex situation, right? Did you remember this? Because she's dating Burger. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So he calls her and he's all like Mr. Smooth, you know, how he is. And do you remember when we did this?

and do you remember when we did that? And she's just like, I don't know what to do. She says to the girls. And then she calls it back and she says, hey, you know, we need to just be friends and not do that because I'm seeing someone new and it just got serious. And she's very mature in that moment. I'm like, oh, thank God, Carrie, thank God.

And then he, you can see that he's hurt. Like he's developed also. We don't get to see his development, right? We just see how he. No, but you've got all the characters were written with a sense of that. It's true. And I also think like when I look at the writing and then I look at what Chris was doing, he was bringing depth to it also. I mean, I'm sure Michael Patrick wanted that, right?

Or it wouldn't be there, you know? Absolutely. He's bringing it. And you're like, oh, thank God, Mr. Big is like a little bit better now. Yes. You know, because we have a future that we need to, you know, whatever, invest in, you know, with them. But it's interesting because it was a different time, as you've said a few different times. Like in terms of being a man back then, right?

A man who's out and about, you're traveling the world, you're in New York. Do you remember how different dating was? Yeah, I mean, you know, our generation grew up with some of the just stupidest stereotypical ideas of how we are supposed to behave. You know, boys don't cry. They're, you know, these white knight in shunning armor and they go home. to save women. Like, what an insult to women. Agreed.

But then you'd find a lot of that. I always struggled with dating because, you know, I never really was a player because of these weird stereotypes. I've certainly, look, I'm certainly not going to pretend that young Jason had never met some random moment. I remember this funny, funny moment where I saw you at a party. Do you remember this? I don't know.

It's funny. It's good. I saw you at a party, probably like an Oscar party type of a thing, one of those big ones, right? And I was so happy to see you. It wasn't, I don't think it was that long. I think the show was over. I don't think it was a long time. Maybe the movies were happening.

I don't know. And we were just chatting hi, you know, whatever. I hadn't seen you in a bit. And we were like walking somewhere and you were like, oh no. And I said, what? You were like, just keep walking with me. And I was like, okay. And you were like, to the right, to the right.

And I was like, what? What? going on. You're like, avoiding, avoiding exes, avoiding exes to the left. I was like, okay. I was like, we're just in a minefield of exes now. I'm just going to be with Jason. I'm just going to be here for Jason. So, I mean, there seemed to be a few. Okay, so I have a revisionist history is what you're saying. Maybe, possibly, just a little. And I was like, who he's been busy. And there were some lovely ladies, I might add. Oh, good. Yes. Oh, yes. I'm sure you know who I'm talking about. We're not going to bring that. I'm not going to say any names. Of course. I

don't do that on this podcast, but I was like, wow, I'm behind on what's going on, but I want to protect Jason. Thank you. You're welcome. I'm there for you, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Appreciate it. Yeah, I mean, look, I think that if anything, that's one of the things I really like seeing

what's happening with the younger generations now is, what, there's more resources. Like, again, you look at the writing of sex in the city. These things were being brought up in the public conversation. for the first time. Yeah. People didn't talk as freely and openly about emotions or relationship dynamics or have the research. Yeah, sex. Yeah.

Like, I mean, what do we had? We had Dr. Ruth. Oh, my God, we did. Yeah, I mean, by herself. I know. Just out there talking about orgasms. Like the mother Teresa of orgasms. Totally.

Sorry, Mother Teresa. She was so adorable. She was so adorable. But, you know, it was like, there wasn't a lot of space or comfort. for growth and conversation. And, you know, so true. Again, something that that show gave. It gave a lot of conversation.

Yeah, a lot of room and a lot of conversation. And also I think for men, you know, that's one of the things that I've definitely been surprised over the years. And it's funny because oftentimes it'll be couch with my girlfriend made me watch it or my wife made me watch it. Yes, yes. But a lot of men resonated with that show. That's nice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love it.

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