Are You A Charlotte? - THE L WORD with Brian Van Holt... (S2 E10 "The Caste System")

Episode Date: August 18, 2025

Brian Van Holt joins Kristin and reveals how nervous he was about getting his part on Sex and the City.   In a juicy reveal, find out the celebrities that Brian’s Sex and the City character was “loosely” based on.  Plus, a little Cougartown secret and Kristin reveals a set up she had with an A - List TV Friend.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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A message from NHTSA and the Ad Council. Hi, I'm Kristen Davis, and I want to know, are you a Charlotte? You guys, everyone listening, thank you for joining us. We are here on Are You a Charlotte? with the incredible Brian Van Holt. I am so excited to have him here. I am so excited to be here. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you for inviting me. It's such a great episode. And plus, I just love to see you. I love to see you too. I have such great memories of that period, that moment in our lives.

Yeah. And that whole experience and a lot of it, you know, had to do with you. And, you know, you're one of a kind. And I'm just so happy to see you. Thank you. Let's talk about that time because I remember that time as being that summer. It would have been 2000, right? Or 1999. Are we still in 1999? I think we're in the 90s. Yeah, we're 99. It was 90. And I remember who you were dating. I don't even know if I should say. But like I remember talking about 1999. This episode is called the cast system. And it aired on August 8th, 1999. So we had filmed it like in the spring, you know, I think. right? Like not too far in advance. And I remember, like, it was kind of a glorious year.

It was the second, it was a glorious year. And to be in New York in the 90s was special in and of itself. And I was in my 20s and being in your 20s and in the 90s in New York City, you know, beginning in trying to make it as an actor, as an artist was an incredible, an incredible time to be alive. I have the fondest, the best memories I have. One of my favorite moments of my, not just my career, but my life was that time in New York. It was a good time, right? Great. But we had no idea, really. You know, I guess, which is always true, you don't really know at the time, how special it is.

No. And I remember, right? You're just in it, right? And to my parents, my dad, you know, say that all the time or said that all the time. You just don't know how good we have it or had it until it's gone or just, yeah you just it's hard you know it's uh it was yeah it was it was it's incredible looking back it was uh you know people don't get it the younger generation i try to explain to me i mean this is before main cell phones just came out i didn't have i mean i probably just got a cell phone

when we were shooting your episode i get it out in the episode remember well i had you know i'm gonna jump all over the place i i had a pager so i when i when i i didn't want to move move move back to L.A. I thought it was going to be temporary, but I got a storage unit in in Manhattan because I thought it was going to come back. Right. And when I went back to finally clean it out, not that long ago, by the way. What? Oh my God. I'm like, what do I still? I'm still paying Manhattan storage on Seventh and Verrick or whatever. No way. And I got, what the hell do I have in here. It was like, I had, first of all, two pagers.

Pagers. Love it. Remember those bell pagers things? Two pages. Poems that I had written and taken back from like ex-girlfriends and like weird, just stuff that notes, journals, bad furniture. Amazing. But the pagers, yeah, we were, you know, it was a different time, meaning we didn't

have social media. We didn't have cell phone, I mean, cell phone cameras, probably just came out. but it was more of an innocent, free period. So free, you could kind of do anything you wanted. And no one knew. I missed those days. So do I. So do I.

Let me ask you, what was going on? Because this is the kind of thing where, like, at the time, I remember being so excited that we got you. I don't know exactly. Like, we were in the middle of the season. And as you know, we would shoot really late and, you know, I was really tired. But I don't remember, like, what was going on in your career? How did it, did you go to auditions? Did we just call you?

What happened? I'm so glad that you asked it because I was trying to remember how that became about. Because the show, first of all, to be on your show was such a huge, was such a big deal. Everybody wanted to be on it is the second season. It just, you know, obviously everybody knows what happened first season. Right out of the gates, it just is a juggernaut. Cultural, like, pioneering is very important and amazing show. And so it was very competitive within our, with, I'm sure, across the country, but especially in New York, it's a, you know, it's a smaller group of, just a smaller group of actors and smaller business in general.

But it was very competitive to be on your show. And it was a big deal. Yeah. Get it to, to, to be on it. And I had, think I had auditioned a couple times. For other parts. For other parts. God.

And I think it was, was it, was it Carrie, or who was the casting director? Yeah, Carrie Barton and Billy Hopkins. Yeah. Yes. Good. Yeah. for other parts on the show or some other shows. But I, you know, it was when I first, when I moved to New York,

that's when I really started to work as an actor. I couldn't get a job here. Amazing. That's so weird. And I know. I had to move to New York to make it in LA. Maybe you just look too good because, like, a lot of the good-looking actors were here in L.A. It was a different.

Yeah. No, I definitely probably looked a little different or stood out a little bit different than the New York actor. The New York, yeah. Yeah. But, so I had just, I didn't really, I mean, I had just finished the film with, you know, independent film opposite, you know, Amanda, Pete, and I had done a few gigs like Homicide. I did all the New York shows. Right. Oh my gosh. Amazing.

I had done homicide. Yeah, Homicide was amazing. Such a great show. And I think that's part of, that's, I think that character and that role helped get me this job. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I played the Andrew Kuhnan of Baltimore, basically. I was a gay hustler, killing rich gay men. I don't remember this.

I've got to rewatch Homicide on the Street. Oh, my gosh, Brian. Well, you're going to laugh me, too. Because I've been so lucky and so fortunate to play these characters that have these incredible lines or dialogue. Yeah. And then we'll talk about our phenomenal. Oh, my God.

Which I still, to this day, I hear about it. to this day i know i have some great stories i can't wait to share some stories with you but you can go ahead go ahead whenever you want we're gonna stay track but we had so much to unpack yeah um but uh so anyway yeah i played i that role helped i think we sent the uh the the the the the hs cassette real tape to yeah to uh the producer uh for your to your show and and i don't know if i got an offer if i had to audition for this particular role but i remember reading the script and die and going, oh, my God, do I really get to do this? Do I really get to play this guy, Wiley Ford?

Yeah. Which, you know, we can, you probably know more about it than I do. No, I don't. I don't. Do you guys have table reads back then? Yes. Okay. We had table reads.

I don't remember our table read, though. We didn't have one. Okay. I mean, the whole character and all of our scenes are. It's hysterical. Classic. Yes. We probably moshed it up more than we actually talked.

I'm sure we did. I have no doubt. My face was so red in that scene. That was so funny. Nice to meet you. Get in the back of the limo and start making out. Right, but it wasn't hard. It worked out.

You were so kind, by the way. You were so gracious and welcoming. And to be honest, that was super nervous to do your show. Were you? I could not tell. Really? I thought you were so perfectly cast because you were having to play a movie. movie star, which is a very hard thing to do. I love it. Perfect.

The douchebag movie star, 100%. No, I am. That's perfect. It's not, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Stop. That's not true. I'm just joking. But you know what's funny, and this is what's funny about rewatching. In my mind, right, I hadn't remembered the douchebag part. Really? Yeah. I just remember that I loved you and you were great. I enjoyed kissing you. And it was fun because it was a departure from Charlotte's kind of normal storylines, right? And at that point, she is kind of all over the place in certain ways that I also am sometimes like,

oh, my God, I'm doing this and I'm doing that. I don't remember. But I remember you very clearly because it was so much fun. And I thought it was so great. And it's really weird to rewatch and see, number one, you are such a jerk in the end, your character, of course, not you. But I don't remember that at all. I was like, oh, my God, I totally forgot this entire scene, that entire scene at the restaurant, washed from my brain.

Oh, my God. Just the happy art scene and the car makeup scene. The gallery scene is hysterical. It's so great. Well written. I mean, the whole episode, you know, the show in general is so good. It's a good one. But I was, you know, yeah, I was really, I was, you know, nervous.

No, I just thought you were perfectly cast because to me, you embody that kind of like really relaxed confidence. I mean, you're beautiful, obviously. You're tall and so good looking, but don't really know it and care. You don't know what I'm saying? You've got that ease, you know? And like at that point, like when I look back on it, it seems almost like a Leonardo DiCaprio thing. But at the time, in our minds,

I think it was a George Clooney thing or a Brad Pitt thing. I think this is my character was loosely based on Leo and Toby in the... And Toby. Well, there's a good one. You can say anything you want. I don't even know if this is true. This is probably all rumored in hearsay, but there's the pussy posse.

Yeah. Remember the pussy posse? Oh, I do. Oh, my God. So that character, Wiley Ford, was loosely based on the pussy posse chenanigans. Got it. Okay. That's what I was told.

Wow. They probably kept that from me so that I wouldn't judge it personally. I'm glad they did. I'm glad they did. But, you know, I just, you know, I'm like, this is great. I get to channel my inner douchebag. And I just kind of embraced it. And it was, you know, not only, you know, fulfilling, you know, creatively, but it was also very

therapeutic. Was it? Yeah. You know, I had part of the business. I still struggle with the business, you know, especially when I was... I get it. Yeah. And especially being young and, you know, it's half the reason why I left L.A. to move to New York. I love L.A. and I love California. I'm a California kid. Just the business

in New York was more suited for what I was trying to do. Yeah. And so I have a very strong opinion and judgment about certain Hollywood things, you know. And rightly so. Yeah. And so I enjoyed trying to go, how can I be as dushy as possible to represent something

that I don't really care for? Definitely. And who would care for that? I mean, ick. It's so ick. And that's so funny to me that I didn't remember that part. But I think I didn't remember that part because you're so not that way, right? So like that part was the scene that we did and we had to bet that.

I hope no. Yeah, no, you weren't that way in any way, shape, or form. You were a joy, you know. And so I just remember the positives because, you know, as an actor, you remember the experience of filming more so than the finished product. Right. Yeah, exactly. You know, that's a good point.

It's true. Yeah, but, you know, I did a lot of research for that role just to, you know. How did that go? Did you learn new things? Oh, it came out with a few wounds. No, I, no, I'm just kidding. I mean, you could have been doing all that stuff. wanted to. I mean, seriously, you could have. Oh, my lord. You could have. I remember you were very

devoted. You were very devoted boyfriend. It was adorable. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, meaning like at the time, you know, you were, you were very much not like a player or all the things that you were, that your part was. You were not that. Yeah, no. And I respected that. It was impressive. Thank you. You're welcome. Um, yeah. Yeah. Well, hey. If I weren't, I'm definitely. I'm definitely. a Charlene. I meant Charlotte. I didn't remember that part either. I was like, oh my God, he just keeps killing me by my wrong name, and I'm just hanging

in there. And the other thing that I didn't remember, and then we'll get to the whole show. But, like, our storyline is pretty fucking funny, I have to say. It's pretty good. And succinct, but so good. You don't know what I'm saying? Like, so packed. Like, when I call Carrie, and she literally sits up in bed and

says, get out of there right now. And I completely ignore her. Like, it is not even, I'm just like, blah blah blah blah blah and he's peeing in the alley isn't that funny he's taking a link i'm like isn't that adorable i mean it's charlotte like if she'd taken drugs or whatever like it's so interesting and that i had not even remembered that you blow pot smoke and i at the same time was trying to navigate our business mostly in l.A because i do associate that kind of like weird behavior and kind of party vibe and all that with l. a hundred percent but i was already so

sober. And I did have kind of similar experiences to this where I'd be at like a dinner party set up with an actor. I could name, but I probably, I don't know if I should, but like I think it had happened maybe the year before this. I'm watching it and I'm thinking, did I tell our writers the story? You know, back then, like we would feel very paranoid like if we talk to the writers that it might end up in the show, right? Oh, God, that's true. We would try to be like, they're coming, be quiet, be quiet, if we were, like, talking to each other, you know, in our chairs, right? I know. That's, that's a great point. That's exact. That does happen. It totally does happen. And because our writers were always trying to not write fictional things like someone had to know someone or whatever, but usually it was their stories, which gave us kind of the freedom to play them if they weren't our own, right?

Right, right. But like I had had an experience with a situation where I think a lawyer that I knew had said, oh, they'd just tell them. the story. I should just tell the story. So I had been set up by a really nice lawyer who I still know. He's not my lawyer, but he's a nice lawyer. And I've been set up with Matthew Perry. And this is like 98, 99, 97 maybe. I feel like it was like between Melrose place, which I did before City. And it was at a house. It was a dinner party. It was so low-key, I thought. I was like, oh, it's the low key. I remember I had taken a bunch of roses from my garden. It looked at me like, they're so weird. But I was like, whatever. So I go to this dinner party. I bring my little flowers. You know, it's a bunch of Hollywood people. I don't even

know who all was there other than this lawyer and Matthew. I feel like, have I met Matthew briefly? You know how you would meet everyone out and about? But I wasn't drinking or doing drug, so I wasn't really cool, you know, ever, right? Which was fine, you know? And I was like, I hope I can still succeed without doing all this stuff. And it was, was not clear in the 90s, if you could. Do you mean? I do. It was a lot going on. A lot. Right? Yes. So I go to this dinner party. Matthew's lovely. He sits next to me and he's talking about how thrilled he is, how happy they are on the set at friends. And he was doing a film with, um, my God, oh my God, oh my God. It's going to come to me in a minute. Amazing actress

still functioning. A great, great, great woman. Salma Hyatt. Tomahe. I was going to say, Salma Hyatt. Good job. She's Out in the desert, right? So, like, he would film at friends, and then they'd put him in a car and drive him out to the desert, and they'd film all night, and then he'd drive back. Like, it was very hard, right? They think it's kind of how some of his problems got, like, really aggravated and exacerbated. I was like, wow, he's so happy. And I had been around Melrose, and it wasn't the happiest place in a way, you know? And it was, like, stressy.

There were 15 series regulars, you know, everyone had the feeling they might get cut or whatever. It was kind of competitive and stressy, you know. So I was like, wow, that's amazing. You're so happy. So cut two after dinner and all the pot comes out. And they start just passing the pot around. And I'm like, oh, also me and pot, very bad combination. I had earlier found out before I was sober, like I just get super paranoid and unhappy

and time stops. Like it's a horrible, horrible experience, right? Yeah. So I'm like, number one, I was really into my sobriot at that point. because he kind of had to be in the night. I did not know that. Yeah. And that's,

I'm proud. That's amazing. I'm so lucky. I was sober for a while. Right? As well. Not that time. Is it good?

I love it. It was the best thing I ever did. I'm no longer sober. I have to be honest. So, but I'm no longer. Well, I like to lie a lot. Sorry. No, but I'm,

there's a lot of people in our industry that are sober and they're doing extremely well. And I was fortunate enough to be part of certain men's group at that time with a lot of our... I've heard about these. Yeah, great. I've never been to the men's group, but they're legendary. There's one rule that you don't fit. There's one rule that I'm not going to work out. But I love to hear, whenever I do meet someone who has those experiences, I'm so happy.

Because as we're saying in the 90s, it just seemed like to fit in and be pool and hip. It would be so difficult. It's more acceptable now. I know what you're saying. You're absolutely right. It would have been extremely difficult. I couldn't have, you know, and I probably, you know, tipped over to the, you know, probably drank too much.

Yeah. I really had a good time in New York, you know. Which is great. I mean, I'm glad. And I just think you don't know, you know, you know, till you know that it's too much. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, yeah, I hope, wow, like that's, you know, bold. I didn't know that.

Yeah. You know, I'm glad you didn't say anything because then I probably would have been so timid to, you know. do the thing. Fake smoke adjoin. Right, right, right. And, you know, even though it was like just the oregano flavored, I don't know. Yeah, I don't even know what it was.

It wasn't, it wasn't real weed, that's for sure. No, it definitely wasn't real weed. No, but I'm glad you didn't tell me. Like, when I watched myself in that scene, it wasn't necessarily hard. I did feel also, because obviously we also drink a lot. And that had been my main thing, right? And it became difficult later on because I remember at one point they put the four of us on the cover of like either Newsweek or time.

I don't remember which one. I don't know if we were holding our cosmos in the picture, and they said something like, you know, is sex and the city responsible for the drinking problem with the young people or whatever? And I was like, oh, you know, to try to walk both lines that I was sober in life, but obviously playing a character. Were you public with the sobriety?

I was. I mean, I don't know how, I don't know how open or out front I would put it in the beginning because it seemed weird, you know, a little bit, right? And I didn't obviously know that the show was going to go on so long and be this humongous thing and all. In 1920, a magazine article announced something incredible. Two young girls had photographed real fairies. But even more extraordinary than the magazine article's claim

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I was probably, no. Millie, it's in Princeton, it's not there anymore. Okay. It's just the neighborhood bar restaurant. Got it, got it. I've had a great pool table and jukebox, but. How adorable. My thing is, I was trying, oh, Princeton Sullivan, how great.

I remember that area. I was always trying to find a way to be social. Yeah, you were so, you were, but not. You should, go, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, I remember, you showed up, hung out for a little bit, and then, you know, and then. I probably, yeah. also probably I was exhausted.

And you probably were. And also you had a girlfriend, so I was probably trying to behave. Frankly. I probably wasn't. So I, I, I feel like you were. I feel like you really, really were. You talked so sweetly about her. I was very impressed.

Two young, hot, upcoming actors, though loyal and adorable, it was very impressed. Oh, those were the good old days. It was the good old days. But that moment when you do in that scene where you live, lean over and blow the pot in my face, when I'm watching myself, I have such an understanding that I'm pulling on these other experiences that had happened, you know? Now I'm going to look at that. I'm going to watch that scene again.

I'm going to say, because it's not like it's horrible or anything, just like it's so familiar to be the one person, who's not, thank you. Yeah, there's a lot going on. I know. I know. I know. It's what I love about what we do, those moments especially, like even though they're probably difficult. The first thing, you know, when I went to go test and I don't know who if it was

Carolyn or Chris or who, and I heard your podcasted because there wasn't that many people in the room when you tested, but this was now HBO is a different monster. Definitely. So there was like, it was so many people in the room. Yes. It was terrifying. But I, you know, and they were kind enough not to say anything prior to me actually auditioning and going through my thing. Right. But afterwards, they were going, you know, they all mentioned Wiley Ford and how much they love that show. They did? They loved that episode.

That's so nice. It was super sweet. That's good. That's good. That's good. We loved you in, in, in, sex in the city. And we're just so happy that, you know, that, you know, that, you know, our paths are crossing again. Good.

I love to hear that. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I do think it's interesting, and I'm not objective, obviously, but rewatching the show. And we can, we'll rewatch technically in a second, everyone who's listening. you know in my mind like you started by saying oh was this thing that all the actors wanted like in my mind it took till season three till we were even like on the map right so it's super interesting for me to hear from people who were in new york and other actors like oh everyone wanted to be on that show was the thing and it's gratifying but like at the same time when you're in it you don't really know you know what

I'm saying like for us we were still I remember times they say like you have got to get out there and get all the press we can get, like, because Asia didn't really have hits yet, right? Because Sopranos was equal with us. We came on at the same time. And, like, we would just talk to anyone and everyone. Like, I just found this really cute clip of an episode, I think it's the end of season two when we're on the rooftop. We haven't gotten to it yet. But I think Entertainment Tonight or EW, I don't know, I don't know. One of the, you know, old-fashioned entertainment shows comes to the set, and Sarah talks to them at length, at length, do you know what I mean?

On the street. It's so interesting. I just remember that we would just talk to anybody, and we would have to explain the show. Yeah. She would be like, it's four women, and Charlotte's the hopeful one, and Miranda, she's, you know, she's very smart and kind of cynical, and then there's Samantha, and, you know, she just embraces her sexuality. Like, she's explaining from the beginning. And this is second season, the end of second season.

Like for us mentally, we felt like we were still trying to climb that hill, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I think in some ways that's great, right? Because you're in it and you're just committed. And you're just like, we got to make it great. We got to get out there and sell it. You know what I'm saying? That was that vibe.

I do. I do. Yeah. It's probably it's good that you didn't recognize the power and the success. Exactly. Yeah. And you know what I mean? You didn't get caught up in that.

We still weren't because we didn't, you know. That's a blast. That's a gift. Yeah, it is. And it took a while. And I remember now, because it's obviously 800 million years later, and we've done the other show, we've done the movies, and we've done all these different things. And this other show is ending, which brings me back in my mind at the time that the first show ended,

which, of course, could have been the ending for the whole thing. I'd never believed that because I'm me, right? And we had talked about doing a film, which ended up happening many years later, as Chris and I, Chris Albrecht and I discussed on the pod. But it's so interesting to think about, I remember at the time that we ended the first show, we would go places as a group, award shows or press or whatever,

and people would say like, it's iconic. And we'd be like, stop, stop, stop, don't say that. Like, it was so weird to hear that word, you know, because it's not like we were that old. The show hadn't been on that long. Like it was, you know, and now I look back on it, and I'm like, they were right. Pioneering, man, absolutely right.

It's a big deal. It is, but it's only just now really sinking in. I mean, it's like, really? Yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah. It helped shape our generation and our culture and still do. Which is bizarre.

I know, but you still have that kind of, that impact and that outreach to even today. It's weird. My wife, Owen, she's 10 years younger, but she and her friends still, they have the DVD now. I can't believe we have, they don't even watch DVDs, but she does have the whole, The whole season collection, big fan. And the pink with the pink. Yes. Yes.

I remember it. We still haven't. We're never getting rid of it, even though everybody streams everything. But even, you know, in the kids, I say kids. And the young adults today go back and watch it and are huge fans. It's so sweet. It's so amazing. Do you know what I mean?

Like I just don't know how I lucked out so much. You know? I feel you. And I, and I'm very fortunate I lucked out to be. do one episode. 100% impactful episode. That one episode led to a lot of good things in my life. In 1920, a magazine article announced something incredible.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I put you in a small, small group of people where maybe you had worked and whatnot and been known, like, to a small group, but hadn't necessarily, like, broken out, right? Meaning, like, we thought you were amazing, and then you were amazing, like, Timothy Oliphant. You know, we were, like, his first job, right? He's still. Yeah. I got a great, so the whole, so HBO, Timothy Oliphant, I don't know, because David Milch and Deadwood, I was. a huge fan. I was almost in Deadwood.

With Timothy's character. No way. Oh my God. And I couldn't do it or even test for it or whatever because I was filming a film basic or something like that. And for six months. And so I missed that opportunity. Oh, no. And the job from Cincinnati opportunity

almost didn't come up because there was some resistance because of my they felt that I passed on. There's not a chance. That was my favorite show. and one of the best shows of all time. Wow. So you had to convince them that you hadn't.

When I, when I sidetrack again, like I'm a massive. I love it. I love it. Brian, you're right in my wheelhouse. Okay. Go for it. I was obsessed with Deadwood and David Milch. Incredible.

Yes. Even from, you know, NYPD Blue, too, which is network television. And I just, I'm as big as fan. I said it, you know, I had. He's like, you know, I have to work with this man. And I'm, you know, I'm so upset that Deadwood didn't work out, whatever. and then I was reading in the newspaper when we used to read newspapers. Yes.

And there was the article about the cancellation of Deadwood. And I was so upset. And my girlfriend at the time, ex-girlfriend and girlfriend at the time, she's like, just keep reading. And they canceled the show, but he's working on a new show about a dysfunctional surfing family. Wow. What? And it's based, you know, it's sort of loosely, the family that was used is the vehicle to tell the story.

It wasn't about their family. I knew very well. I grew up. I know. You mean it's the actual real family? It's loosely. It's not, it's, it's inaccurate. Sure. Yes.

Okay. And you knew them. Incredible. The son, the person that I, in a sense, played, it's just a small world. It's crazy how this stuff works. Wow. Yeah, he was a professional surfer way better than I was. But, you know, I'd surf with him a few times.

I knew the family very, like, you know. That's amazing. It's crazy. But they didn't want to see me. They didn't. Oh. You had to push your way in. Well, good for you.

Yeah, they said, no, my agents really at the time. They were like, they don't want to see you, dude. I don't understand. Like, if you don't give me an appointment or, you know, an audition time, I will go there in person. I will break that door down. Love it. I'm going to see. I'm doing this thing.

Amazing. I'm not taking no for an answer. Amazing. I'm not that person. No. I wouldn't think you would be. But when I get, when I get, you know, when I. Well, that was your show.

You needed that show. I mean, I do believe in that. I was obsessed. Right. Like your part is your part. You know, but sometimes you do have to go through some obstacles to get that. Yeah, I just like, but I love Timothy, all of it too. Me too.

Yes, so as you were saying, yes. But I think like Timothy, you, Dan Futterman, who's also. Futterman. Futterman. How is he, I haven't seen her. We haven't checked in with him. It's next week. I can't wait.

I can't wait. Like, and he's had such an interesting career that, you know, he's a showrunner now. It's crazy. I know. I'm going to go look. After we're done, I want to look up. I haven't heard Dan's Butterman's name. I know.

I know. He's behind the scene. now, but he's incredible. But so many people, I'm not even remembering everybody. Obviously, I'm just thinking of my guys right now. But, I mean, Tim wasn't my guy. But Timothy, it was his first job. And he was so great. And that was our first season where it hadn't even been on the air. So no one knew anything about what we were doing. Remember, he plays, like, Valley of the 20-something guys. And he's talking about his dream with his hands and Derek Giants. Yeah, he made that all up. I forgot that. I forgot that. That's amazing. Yep, yep. But I mean, there's a handful of you

that I feel like, you know, our guys, I think had great, our casting directors and our producers had great taste and talent, you know, and it's so nice to be able to have young actors on because obviously that show was that show. And with the, and just like that, we were able to have a different group of young actors playing our kids and whatnot, right? Bizarre to say, but, you know, it's a fun thing to be in the business and be able to be part of that. Like, I love that part of our business. Finding talent, being able to support talent, um, discover talent. talent, show talent to the world, you'll create a safe environment for them. You did, yeah, you definitely created a great environment to create.

But I got to share this story. I don't know if you remember this, too. This is another, and they think this helped me get this next game. It was such a crazy week in my life. So, this is while we're shooting our episode, I, Les MoonVez, the head of CBS, I auditioned for, it's so funny, the difference between going from doing your show playing Wiley Ford, you know, the douchey douchebag of all the actors, to then sort of testing, to being a character, it was testing for a sitcom.

I vaguely remember this. For Love and Money, which was like Swozy Kurtz, David Ogden Stiers. It was like Rob Long and Dan Steele. They were the showrunners. It was like Judy Greer, Padgett Brewster. Oh, Judy Greer. I replaced my friend who wasn't my friend at the time, but I became friends with Dash, My Hawk. one of my favorite persons on the planet and um they were it sucks because they wanted to replace

him oh in the pilot oh and last minute i'm in the you know less wanted to to to i had whatever audition for and let go less wants to meet you test and he's in new york for this and he's in new york right now he's going to fly back tonight i'm like i'm filming i'm working on sex and i'm working on sex in the city you were hot you're a hot commodity i remember this i'm sure that didn't hurt but um it's always good yeah there was a we you guys let me run uptown to meet with less and you and i talk i think you took us ash because we're supposed to shoot all our stuff and you right it's changed up scenes so you could let me go yeah to go meet with less i remember taking the train up to like where was cbs at the time like 68 it was uptown up the west side

right like in one of the big buildings like a big high rise or something right yeah and uh sweating, running, and everything. I went from Wiley Ford to Eamon McBride, tested the thing, and hauled ass back down to Soho. Oh, my God, yeah. Yeah. And just, you know, barely making it in time. And I just remember you guys were being so kind to let me, and it got the gig.

Yay! I do remember talking about that. And I remember because I think Amanda was on another film. And so it was a big, you were trying to decide, like, because those are, tough decisions you know it was you got you have a great memory it was uh she would book a show tv show uh jack and jill yes oh my god yes she was moving to los angeles right and in the i wasn't she i think she was on a film with bruce willis the whole nine yards yes right and all these things were happening at once for both of you and i remember you just saying like it's this

and that and trying to make the decisions and where was she going to be and what did you want to do and I thought it was so sweet. Oh, that's funny. I mean, you know, I did not want to, I did not want to leave New York. I'd always thought I would come back. I thought, you know, I thought the TV show, it was temporary, as they mostly are. Usually, yes. Yeah, it's usually, unfortunately, yeah.

Right, right. And so I always, that's why I kept my, I kept my apartment. I gave my sub-lease to sublet it to my buddy. Wow. But, yeah, I was, you know, I didn't want to, they didn't want to leave. Right. You know, I thought I was going to always come back. And part of the reason was, you know, I did, you know,

and that wasn't really looking to do sitcoms. Right, well, because back then there was a big separation between types of actors or whatever. I'm glad I did because of the writing on this, that show that I did was, it was incredible. And the actors and the talent, that's another show. I was like way in over my head with, you know, Brian Doyle Murray played my dad. Well, he's amazing. But, oh, yeah, that was. That's a great.

It's a great, I love to hear about what actors are kind of going through or went through or the different choices that you have to make because it does, it's not easy, you know, and I feel like obviously getting parts at all is not easy, right? We all know this technically. But then also you have to make these decisions and figure things out and you never really know what's going to happen. There's so much unknown, you know? And when you think you know what's going to happen.

Totally you don't know. It's just when it gets dangerous, making assumptions and like, I'm going to spend this. money because I'm going to be working forever on Cougar Town which I was like the lowest I forgot to mention it that was fun to watch oh my god it was fun to do it too what a great that was another fun time um we got a lot of stories about that too I'm sure but um I remember I wasn't when Josh and I would do these cleanses and not be able to you know just to stay healthy and cut off drinking and we do the master cleanse of all things too oh I remember the days everyone did the master question Cindy Shupac who

who's coming soon. She could tell you to Master Clean's stories. It was the thing. It was the thing. It was hard. Yeah, I couldn't do that. We had bets, but it was impossible on our set because we would,

we would call it the red tea. Yes. We would drink, we'd put red wine in a cup and put a little tea string outside. So it looked like you're drinking tea. It was really red wine. We were all winos on the show. That wasn't a thing.

Like you were saying, Lawrence would take stuff in our real life and put it in the show. And the wine thing started pretty early on. Wow. We all got along so well. We got to lunch on wine Wednesdays and we all liked our wine. It's a good thing I wasn't on that show. I know.

I know. I thought about that. You were sharing with me about your sobriety. I was like, thank God. Yeah, I would have really not fit in. You would have fit in. I would have made sure. Well, I do know pretty much that whole cast.

Yes, exactly. It would have been okay. You would have been great. But I would have been in my trailer. Okay, you guys, it's too much fun here talking to Brian Van Holt. We're going to come back for part two. Please join us later in the week. Have you overlooked at a piece of abstract art or music or poetry and thought,

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