Are You A Charlotte? - The Price You Pay with Molly Price... (S2 E2 "The Awful Truth")

Episode Date: June 9, 2025

Molly Price plays Susan Sharon in this episode.  But, before we get to that…find out who Molly was supposed to audition for on Sex and the City. In this episode, The Awful Truth, Carrie gives some seriously controversial and maybe even AWFUL marriage advice to her friend Susan Sharon.   Kristin and Molly are breaking it down and may see things differently today than they did back then.  Plus, haircuts, Charlotte’s dog, and small penis guy.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are you a Charlotte? Hi, Molly. Hi, Kristin. Yay, you're here. The great Molly Price, who plays Susan Sharon, a fan favorite. It's so funny to see you with your hair and then to have watched the episode back. And I was like, oh my God, Molly, you have the dark hair.

Oh my God, yeah. I realized it when I watched it, I realized I had just done a Woody Allen movie. And Uma Thurman was one of the leads in the film. And they, I'm complimenting myself right out of the gate, Kristin. Woody was worried that we looked similar, you know? So they had me dye my hair black.

Oh! Which was wild. So when I did Sex and the City, my hair was black. I'm normally like a chestnut and I go into blondes. But when I watched the episode again, I was like, oh my God, my hair was black. Yeah, it was really dark. Yeah.

Yeah, I love your hair like this. It looks so great. Aw, thank you, it's that or gray. So I'm going to sleep until I'm brave enough to be gray. I mean me too but I'm just keeping the dark till I'm brave enough to be gray but you know this is where we're at right? Okay so it was really really fun to look back at this episode because to me I would have thought that this episode was much later in the series but as I'm re-watching the show a lot of the things that I think of as being like kind of like important moments or things that people remember

were much earlier in our seasons than I thought. And this episode is one of them. It's called The Awful Truth, I believe. Yes, right? Yes, it was. And it's written by Darren Star, directed by the great Alan Coulter, who I love so much. And it's such a fantastic episode and you are so great in it. Oh that's so nice thank you I had a blast doing it. It was so much fun. Did you? What do you remember? Were you? Oh my god I was terrified. Why? Why? Well it was such an iconic show it was the beginning of the second season and it was you know the talk of the town it was you know Sex and the City and the Sopranos were all the rage and I remember auditioning

and I was so nervous in the audition and I just thought we'll use it you know just ride ride that you know Bill Esper you know yeah I don't know if your audience knows that you and I went to college together absolutely yes let's tell them Molly and I went to college together you guys. And can I just say it's always so amazing to work with or to get the pleasure of working with someone who trained like we did because there just aren't that many of us. Like it was a small school. It was a really small school and we were really early on in that evolution and it didn't last long. What was he there? Bill Esper was there for what, 10, 15 years? Right, and now I don't even think they have BFA at all.

No, no, they only have an MFA. Right, so we were part of a really kind of a magical program that was very hard, but great, where we studied with an amazing teacher named Bill Esper. We were at Rutgers University, but we were a small part of Rutgers called the Mason Grove School of the Arts in beautiful New Brunswick, New Jersey. Which is so crazy to think about. Like I met Molly

probably when I was 19, I want to say. We were kids. Little kids. Little kids trying to act and here we still are. Yay. Here we are. Yay. Thanks, Bill. Thanks, Bill. Yes, thank you, Bill. Thank you, Bill in heaven. Okay, yes, thank you for remembering that.

It's so crazy to think about. And also just to make sure we go full circle, Molly also came on too and just like that, which was so great. And so perfect. Yeah, so, so perfect to have you come to a big event, which we'll get to later. But let's go back in time. So you were very nervous in the audition and you thought, use it. So you used a little bill, a little bill magic.

Yeah. I just remember, you know, the, you know, working, you know, we were Meisner trained actors and you work truthfully off the other person. And, and I was nervous and I thought, well, this is a woman who would be nervous, right? She's in an abusive marriage, and she's afraid of her husband. And how would she be in these scenes? And she had left her husband in the episode and moved in with Carrie. And so I thought, just use it. And I did did and I just remember them laughing like out loud in the audition and I'm thinking, okay, this is going well. But just if I can flash back even prior to the audition, like two years before my audition,

I remember getting a call from my agent and he said, there's this audition for this HBO and you know, HBO kind of didn't even really exist. You're always like what? HB what? HB studios? And they said it's an audition for a show called Sex in the City. I'm like, I'm a recovering Catholic. So as soon as I heard the word sex, I was like, oh, shite, I can't, I'm not, you know, taking my clothes. I'm not going to have sex on camera. And then he, and then he said, it's in the auditions in Queens.

And I was like, where? Because I was, you know, a very stuck up Manhattanite. And I was like, Queens. And he was like, yeah. And can I tell you this? I did not even go on the audition because I was so like, for Clempt that I had to go to Queens to audition for it. There was that Silver Cup Studios.

Yeah. And I was like, I'm not going to Queens to audition for that. Wow. Wow, wow, wow. I love- How about that? I mean, I do think it's so, it's one of those things though that I can fully understand because I remember the anxiety that we all had about the sexuality, sexual part of it.

And even not being a recovering Catholic, I still was super nervous about my mother seeing it and my grandmother seeing it. And we had a lot of nerves about what we were talking about, but also like, what were they going to show? Because there really was no precedent for our show. There was nothing to compare it to. And the comedic part was not really necessarily clear

and kind of confusing, right? Until everyone saw it, you know? Yes, yes. But I do remember, and I mean, I'm sorry that you didn't audition because you would have been amazing, but I get it because I remember my own. I think because I knew Darren,

I was able to talk to him about it and he talked to me about Candice, and I was able to look her up and have a little bit more context of what he wanted to do. I knew that he wanted it to be funny though, Darren really didn't have a track record of writing comedy. He was so smart that he brought in Michael Patrick pretty soon, who was sitcom and stand-up and all of those things. I think that's what made it work back then. But I do also remember everyone being like,

outraged like women talking about sex. Oh my God. Yeah. It sounded like it was like soft porn. Exactly. Exactly. But it wasn't. It is interesting too to think back in terms of, I also remember, I don't know if you listened to the podcast, but when I had Cynthia on, we talked about going to our first fittings on Long Island City in Queens, where Silver Cup was, and both of us getting lost.

I ended up in tears. She's hardcore New Yorker to the fact she got lost. Because they used to expect us to just take the train to work in the beginning before we had a whole little fit about it. Yes. Because we were like, where are we? Where are we?

Because we only lived in Manhattan, you know? Even when everybody moved out to Brooklyn, like 15, 20 years ago, I was like, where, what, why? Definitely. Right. Clearly, I clearly missed a lot of calls. Yeah. Oh, Seth. a lot of calls. Yeah. Oh, Seth.

A lot of milestones. But I get it. I also remember myself when we got out of college, when I moved, first I lived in, I still lived in New Brunswick for a while, then I moved to Hoboken. So you'd have to take the PATH train and you'd have to get back before the last PATH train. And I remember when I was auditioning, the auditions would just be everywhere, like uptown on the East river, downtown,

like I did not know where the heck I was half the time. You know? Yeah. And I remember like, yeah, that's when there was still like phone booths, which is in the show. It's so yeah, I remember just a pack. I lived in Hoboken too. I lived on 9th and Garden. Wow. And I remember, you know, you'd have to take a change of clothes and I'm trying to find bathrooms in

New York City to change my clothes, to play a hooker, to play a lawyer, to play a, you know, a mother, and I'd have my bag, you know, in some crazy Greek coffee shop. Definitely. The good old days. The good old days. Totally. Totally. It made us tough. It made us very tough, I think, you know? Absolutely. Yeah, so I want to get back to this part because I had remembered Susan Sharon, obviously, as being great.

But when I watch you back, I mean, I think so many great things. I think that number one, and why I love to hear your audition story, is that it's hard to make this funny. You know? Like you're in an abusive relationship, right? And you make it funny. It's kind of impressive.

Well, again, I think I said I'm a recovering Catholic. Got it. It connects. I understand comedy and abuse. Yes. Yes. Oh my God. I'm glad you said that and I didn't, um, but it's really good. And it's also, I'm curious, just, well, I'm glad you said that and I didn't. But it's really good.

And it's also, I'm curious just, well, I'm gonna be specific in a minute about the episode, but when I watch this, one of the things I love about rewatching the show is to think about what is similar now and what's different now about relationships, about the way women talk, about our thoughts and feelings, about relationship things.

And your husband in this show, the character, is so awful. Yeah. And now we would be calling the police. We would be scared. But we make jokes, and Carrie's like, maybe that's just their foreplay. You know, it's crazy, isn't it? Did you think that?

I mean, it's not untrue, I guess, is what I would say. I mean, there is some sort of codependency involved in those relationships. I mean, you only know what you know, right? And if you grow up in a household where people yell at each other and are verbally abusive to each other, it becomes normalized. And unless you do work on yourself and you're like,

oh, that's not really healthy. And I want to change that. You live out your life the same way that you watched other people live out their lives. So I mean, he was terrible. But at the same time, I will not remember that actor's name. He was funny. And they cast it in a way that it could be comedic, because he was much shorter than I was.

Right. And so that made it funny. Right, right. And at the end, you know, maybe the dog is what brings them back together. Maybe they just, you know, that was where we're missing something. Right. I think is it is it Neil Jones as Richard is Richard your husband? I think yes. Yes.

Neil Jones. I thought he did a fantastic job. He was, he was amazing. Yeah. I mean, he really, he really goes for it. And I think that's also partly why it is funny is that it's not, it's not like subtle exactly. It's like really leaning into that, you know? But he was comedically, his presence was comedic.

It's true. For sure. He was shorter than me made it I think made it Digestible. Yeah, you're not so scared for yeah It was a big looming presence You might be like Ike's but I was you know, three inches taller than him So I think in the casting that was very Insightful of them to allow the audience to relax into it and not get their shoulders up, you know Definitely definitely definitely I did have my shoulders up watching it though.

But I knew it was gonna end fine, but it is just those funny moments, like earlier in the first season, we have the Gabriel Mocked characters filming himself having sex with models and not telling them, and then talking about how he's gonna, yeah, make an art project out of it. Like those moments where you're just like in the 90s,

I don't think that we really had the, you know, wherewithal to be like, call the police, you know, like, no, we just put up with it kind of, you know, yeah, it's the way it was. It is the way it was. It is the way it was. Okay, so we see you and Carrie. This is at the beginning. So Carrie is she's writing about you from the top of the show, which I love. I love that you're such a strong, strong presence throughout the whole plot of this episode. Like this episode does an incredible job of storytelling because everyone has a great plot and then we also have you and it's very full circle and present, which I love.

And I think is to Michael Patrick's credit that he was able to get all that in so quickly. Yes. So she's writing about you. She says that she sees you twice a year. And then we meet you out in the world. And you're telling a very funny story about how you fall asleep on a plane and you wake up because you are into Kashmir and you fly to Italy.

And you tell a very funny story about a flight attendant trying to wake you up but the plane had already landed. And it's pretty funny. I think I was drinking on the plane and I took Halcyon. Oh my God, yes, Halcyon, which I'm just like, wow. Halcyon, if I were married to that guy, I would need to take Halcyon. Then you take her back to the apartment,

you give her this adorable birthday gift and you guys make some very funny jokes about cashmere and we talk about Barneys, which is so sweet I know and you say that this cashmere would cost nine hundred dollars at Barneys and then she asked if she could trade it in If she could really use nine hundred dollars, you're like sure which is nice of you $900 exactly and you talk about the cash miracle. It's a cash miracle. That's why they call it a cash miracle. Exactly.

I love it so much, but then your husband comes home. No, he wakes up. He's sleeping. Yes. Oh God. He's on London time. Right. That's right.

He wakes up. He says, I'm on London time. And then he shouts at Carrie, which is kind of scary. Yeah, get the fuck out of here. But she doesn't seem, she's just kind of like, okay. No, she handles it beautifully. She passes him and says good night grumpy or something like that. I know. And that's what triggers him to say get the fuck out. So he's abusive to her too.

Right. And then later on she goes, maybe it wasn't the best choice to go the meanie or whatever, something crazy. And I'm like, yeah, maybe not Carrie, get out, get out, run. Carrie goes home and then Carrie's musing in her way and her voiceover about maybe that's your foreplay, which I'm like, oh Lord have mercy, let's hope not. But then you call and you're so sad and embarrassed, which is sweet and I felt really bad for you. And then you're kind of venting along and then you ask Harry if you should leave your husband.

Yeah. Which is that scary moment. And I loved her response. She says, if you're not happy, life is too short, if I'm remembering correctly. Yeah. And then she says, she also says not if I'm remembering correctly. Yeah. And then she says, she also says not if things aren't gonna change. That's true. It's good

advice. It was great advice and she took it for a few days. Exactly and that's the scary part then. So the topic of the episode is offering relationship advice to friends which is always very delicate for sure. What do you think? I guess it depends on how Conscious your friends are, you know, if your friends are somebody that you know, and if it's not gonna put the person in danger But I guess yeah for me, I'd rather someone be honest with me then be careful. I think that's great. That's really great I mean, I think also it's going to be relating to, you know, how far back does your friendship go?

You know, what are the kind of parameters of that friendship? Because the thing that's a little unclear, like at the beginning of the episode, you know, we say very clearly that Carrie sees you twice a year, right? But yet you seem to have kind of a very intense friendship, which is nice. And you ask her, you know, should I leave my husband? What do you think, right? But yet you seem to have kind of a very intense friendship, which is nice. And you ask her, you know, should I leave my husband? What do you think, Carrie? And maybe you ask her this, because she's a sex columnist. But it is interesting

because it's a delicate thing. And then to cut to all of us at the coffee shop, discussing whether one should give relationship advice. And I think it's Samantha, who's like, no, no, now you're going to be blamed, which I think it's Samantha who's like, no, no, now you're gonna be blamed. Which I think she says that basically, which is kind of funny. And then Charlotte says that you should be able to say anything in a relationship, but wait, that's with your partner.

That's not, I don't know. And then Samantha disagrees and says that, cause she's still with this man who has small, you know what, and she's all unhappy about it. And I have to say, I'm just amazed that she's still with him. Like I did not remember that this storyline went for multiple episodes and across two seasons. It's kind of amazing that Samantha-

Really? What was he called? Egg Roll Man or Spring Roll Man? He's like the gherkin, I don't know. I think there's a lot of weird food names we have for him. Okay. It's a little crazy. I mean, she got out a little hot dog when we went to the baseball game and, you know,

she's just doing all kinds of things. And she goes to therapy with him in this episode. It's very interesting. I had not remembered all this. And good for her that she really tries. You know, good for Samantha because obviously it's a big sacrifice on her part. Or a little sacrifice. Or a little. Good one, Molly. Good one, Molly.

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Yes, which is also the spring roll. Yes, he's the spring roll guy, but I don't know why he's the spring roll guy. She met him out in front of her office at the food truck. Oh, thank you, Molly. Pay more attention than I did. Good for you. I mean, and this is this is is Neil Pepe who plays this part and he's so great.

And I had forgotten how involved this is. And I think this is one of the first times, I'm not sure, but I think it's one of the first times where, so she tells us at the table, oh, I'm, you know, spring roll guy and Carrie seems to know about him, but we don't. And so we flash back and we do this a lot as the seasons go on and the episodes go on because

Sometimes you can't show the whole the whole relationship. You know what I'm saying? So you flash back to catch up And you know these flashbacks of the sex is we do this a lot going forward and it's a good way to to get it All in there Um, so they've she just to catch us all up. I guess we have a flashback to the scene where they're first having sex and He's talking dirty, but she's not. Right? She can't do it back. Right.

He wants her to talk dirty and she can listen to dirty talk, but she can't participate. And then, then she looks in. And he's kind of demanding. He's like, you do it. How do you feel? You know, what do you want? Relentless. Right.

He's pretty relentless, but funny also. And then she says to us, you know, because sex is not a time to chat, which is cute. And then I have this really crazy thing that I do. You were great. You were a good dirty talker. Yeah, you got right in there. I know I got right in there,

but I did it in such a weird Charlotte way. You know? Yeah, you were right into it. I know, it's a very funny thing about Charlotte where everyone's like, oh, she's the prude, she's the prude, she's the prude. But then all just like jumping. You got right down on it and you were like,

sometimes men just, you know, need a little encouragement. I know, I know. And she's not wrong, but it is pretty funny to hear her saying these things. But you know, at least she helps Miranda out because it comes in useful later on. All right, so then we go back to Carrie and she's writing and she says, was Miranda right? Have we put such a premium on being open and honest with one another that we've misplaced

the boundaries of propriety? Are there still certain things in a relationship one should never say? And I do feel like this is also Michael Patrick and Darren. Darren wrote this one. Yeah, Darren. Both of them, I think, have included criticisms from critics for the first season into the writing. So the first episode is when Miranda gets up and says, like, all we ever talk about is men and sex.

I'm leaving so we could talk about something different, which was a big criticism of the show in the beginning, right? Like, why are all these women just sitting around talking about men all the time? And then in this episode, are there boundaries? Cause people, I remember in the beginning, people said, oh, this isn't how women talk, which I don't think is true.

I do think women talk about these things together. I don't know if they use all the same words that we use in the show, you know? Right, right. Well, we're not doing a documentary, you know, we're doing a comedy. Definitely, definitely. But you know how critics are, right?

They don't care. Of course. They're gonna find something. They're all failed actors. Oh, did I say that? Oh my God. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it.

I love it. It's okay. It's okay. But I think it's really funny to see because I had kind of forgotten these moments where I think that they're kind of putting in like the things that people wanted to throw stones at us about like, oh, we're just going to use it, you know, which is smart. And so now we get the montage of regular people, which we still have, which I didn't really realize continued this long into the second season.

And so different people are complaining about their friends and their partners, which is kind of funny. Topic, intimacy and its different meanings in a relationship. What does intimacy mean in a relationship? Is it more physical or emotional intimacy? Interesting questions here.

Mm-hmm. Then, oh, this is when it gets all complicated with you and Carrie. So we're at the market, you guys are walking around, you're eating a lot, which is interesting. Yeah, we were at ABC Carpet and Home. I love ABC Carpet. That's where we filmed that scene. Oh, that's great. I know. So many years ago. I mean, what was that? 1999? Yeah. And it was the original ABC carpet when, you know, now it's a modified version.

Yeah. And they had a candy section. And they were like, just go, just go around and pick up candy and eat as much as you can. And I was like, oh, you know, it's hard to eat and be funny and not look like, you know, an animal. So that was very great. Take after take with my mouth full of like chocolate covered pretzels and like, you know, sugar dipped fruit. I was like, it was hilarious and fun to do.

Yeah, that's great. I love that. I do think people have asked me like, are you guys really eating? I'm like, yeah, obviously we're really eating. Yeah, we were, I was really eating and that's it. Yeah, we've got lines. Like we can't stop and not really eat. And I think also they were very into us really eating.

Like, you know, they were always like at the coffee shop, if you didn't take a bite, they'd be like, take a bite. Why aren't you taking a bite? Yeah, for sure. Yeah, because I'm trying to talk. Yeah. But it does make it so much more real. Absolutely.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I think you're really funny here because you're just like on a rant kind of, but you're also stuffing your face and walking through the store, which is very challenging as an actor, I have to say. You're really good. And you're basically telling Carrie that you have, in fact, left your husband and that he says this horrible thing to you that he pities you, your character, Susan Sharon,

because in a year he'll be remarried and you'll be single the rest of your life. And then Carrie's voiceover says, I didn't want to tell her that this is true. Oh! Yeah. Ouch. Yeah.

And then you say you thank her for her advice and you tell her that you feel free. And then I ask her to sleep over. Yes. And she's like, okay. And like, it's so funny. It's so funny when you're over there. It says, we know that apartment is not that big, but it's kind of adorable. It's kind of adorable. Okay. Now, I think this is, oh, Charlotte's apartment. This is when you see Henry the dog. This is so cute.

This is my hallway, which I remember being so excited to get because in the beginning, I just had two flats that they would like move around for whichever way they needed to shoot the camera in my bedroom. So now I have a hallway. I can walk down the hallway. I can look in the mirror. I'm like, so I feel like-

Things are looking up, yeah. Exactly, things are looking up for Charlotte. Yep, she walks in and we see her dog Henry. You think she's got a new man, but in fact, she has a little Jack Russell or Rat Terrier. I don't know. Not a good dog breed choice for Charlotte, but she's going to make it work.

Right. And I remember that dog. That dog was adorable. We had the sweetest dog trainers back then. And I have like such early flirtations with Charlotte and dogs, which obviously came to be a very, very prevalent part of Charlotte's character. But I love dogs, so I was always really into it.

So this dog, Henry, is there. And until Charlotte finds the perfect man, she's gonna have the perfect dog, which is cute. Then we have to go back to Samantha with this poor guy, James. And I just feel so bad for that actor. Ooh-wee, I wonder what happened to him. We should look him up. Then we have to go back to Samantha with this poor guy James, and I just feel so bad for that actor. Ooh-wee! I wonder what happened to him.

We should look him up. Yeah. He's very cute. Yeah, but... LAUGHS So James confronts Samantha about the fact that they haven't had sex, I believe in like a month or something like this, though they're still together, and she says she's tired, and she doesn't wanna have sex,

which of course the whole entire audience knows is not true at all. Right, she was trying to be nice until she couldn't be anymore. Exactly. And the therapist agreed with her. I know, which was really funny. And I remember her so well.

There are moments that I don't remember at all. And there are moments that I remember like they were yesterday. And that therapist was, she was such a great actress. She was great. Hilarious. Hilarious, hilarious. So that therapist was, she was such a great actress. She was great. Hilarious. Hilarious, hilarious. So then we go, so we check in with Samantha.

This is when also from just a structure perspective, this episode is the first episode where I really feel like all this plots are working really well independently and also together, right? Like everyone has a great plot, but they're all kind of braided together and we bop, b bop bop to apartments, which is what we continue to do.

But this is the first time I really feel like it's working well. So we go to Samantha's apartment. She's still trying with James. We go to Miranda's apartment. This dirty talk situation continues. It's really adorable. Yeah, it gets better. Miranda tries and then he gets really turned on.

And then she like leans into it real hard. And she seems, when I look at Cynthia in these scenes, I think, and I have to ask her that she had done a play in between first and second season where she had to wear a wig. And so she buzzed her hair really short because it made the wig easier. And I went to see the play and I was like

Cynthia where's your hair? She was like ah I buzzed it you know Cynthia and I was like but um they might have some feelings about that you know at work when we go back like you know what she's like you think? She didn't care. She didn't even enter her mind so her her hair is like this long and it's kind of sticky. Yeah, it's like quite uh... Punk rock. Yeah, it wants to be punk rock and you can tell they're trying to make it almost in a weird 80s like but it's really just sticking straight up. It makes me laugh so hard but I also feel like she seems so innocent in certain ways like when they're in those big close ups of her face, when she's trying to talk dirty, she looks so young. It was, it's so brave. It was so brave.

I know it's kind of crazy. She's a fearless actress. She is a fearless actress and it's so funny. And it's also like, if you think about where we were in time, it's fucking great. Well, she was so endearing because she was authentically freeing herself because one of the lines in that scene is,

she says, cock, cock, cock, cock, cock. She starts laughing and she goes, oh, that's so fun to say, why couldn't I say that before? And it's very sweet and innocent and very endearing. It's so true. She just breaks the spell. It's just a word. Yeah. Right?

It's how you want to use it. Yeah. She's just so great. She's so great. Those scenes. So great. So then we cut to my apartment and you guys have come over. Yes.

Which is adorable. Yes. And it's such a cute shot from a funny angle, like from the dog's POV of us sitting on the bed. And I'm trying to make him do tricks and he's not doing the tricks and you guys look very displeased with me. I did not want to be there. No. Susan Sharon wanted to get home. Definitely. She wants to get home. She was waiting for her co-dependent husband to call. That's right, which is kind of sad. This is a little sad moment for Susan Sharon.

And it's also funny because the phone, right? Like you have to get back by the landline for him to call. Yeah. No cell phone people. Oh my gosh. So even though you've left and you felt free, now you're really wanting him to call, which I think is kind of sad, but also very real, you know?

Yes, very real. And you're kind of slightly defending him, which is also, you know, it seems like Carrie doesn't really know what she should say or shouldn't say. You know what I mean? You were the tough one in that scene. And I asked the dog, I'm like, Henry, what do you think?

And then the dog goes to bite me. And then you pull the dog back and you say, he's a dog, not an oracle. Which is a good one. That's a good one. I like it. I like it So then we go back to Carrie's and you are like in a weird passed out position Which is really funny when the flowers come do you remember? Yeah, they had me lay upside down on the like Chase yeah, cuz there's nowhere to sleep and I I was snoring. They were like, snore. And I'm like, really? They're like, yeah, snore.

Fantastic. I love it. I love it. So someone's at the door, which I also think is funny. There's been, there were people in watching, and just like that, who criticized a time when a character comes up to Carrie's door and buzzes the buzzer, because, you know, like in New York, you have the buzzer down on the street to let someone out.

Oh, that's true. And sometimes we don't do that, but I think we don't do that for time. Right, so somebody in the apartment let him in. Right, because like, I mean, he's still buzzing. It's not like she just opens the door, which would not be very New York at all. But who has the time, you know, to buzz and then wait?

And then, you know. Nobody. Yeah, it's a lot. We have to move it along. Right. There's a delivery person coming to Carrie's apartment and we are now at Carrie's birthday. So when we start the episode, you're giving her an early birthday gift, the cashmere cash miracle sweater. And now it is actually Carrie's birthday and she's getting a delivery of very glamorous red roses. And the card

says best wishes on your birthday. And somehow she knows that this is from big which is kind of entertaining to me and Cut to the coffee shop This scene I remember like it was yesterday. I Charlotte talks about the grand gesture that this is a grand gesture After the breakup right and this is very romantic- Very romantic. Very romantic, very Charlotte, and I think very true to life. Yes, he's trying. Yeah, yeah, let's look at the positive, he's trying. And then Miranda and Samantha

do not think that this is the grand gesture. And I kind of get their point as well. Like if it was a grand gesture, he should have written more on that card. Well, Samantha says she should have given her jewelry. That's really, that's what counts as the grand gesture. Right. I don't know that I agree with that because I always feel like... Diamonds are not a girl's best friend. Well, it can be like bribery or whatever, like a weird... Do you know what I mean? Sure. But I'd rather get bribed with jewelry than roses.

Would you? Okay. Yes. I always feel like jewelry, if jewelry is being given in a, I'm sorry type situation, I don't know. I'm like, I don't want to be bought. You know, I don't know. You can pull a carry and trade it in for the cash. Exactly. Exactly.

Exactly. I would rather like an emotional, like the way if someone were wanting to apologize to me, I would want like a card that had some emotion in it. Let me know when you get that. I will, Molly. I will. You're right. It's posted. It's a big ask. You're absolutely right. So Charlotte, I have Henry with me at the

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We have to have a line in the sand. Totally, totally. So we're at the coffee shop. I get up and I say that he's misbehaving and I go. And then we're at Carrie's and Carrie's wondering again, she does a lot of thinking in this episode, if Charlotte is right, was he saying I was wrong with the gesture? Now, I mean, really, Charlotte is giving Big a lot of credit that he was saying I was wrong.

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So then, Kerry calls back, oh yeah, this was big mistake. To say thank you. Yeah, big mistake, big mistake. Cause once you let him back in, ooh, you don oh yeah, this was big mistake. Big mistake. To say thank you. Yeah, big mistake, big mistake. Because once you let him back in, ooh, you don't know what he's going to say. And so she calls him, I mean, I get it, she's being polite, she's calling him to thank him for the flowers.

Not really. And of course, she's calling him to open that door back up, right? Absolutely, more than the door, yes. More than the door, I know what you're saying. So then of course, she's like, he says, oh, what are you doing for your big day? And she says, oh, we're having a party at Layla, I believe it's at Layla, yes, a Moroccan restaurant. And she goes, you should come.

And then she's like, ah, you know. I know. And then he says, oh, I might have to bring someone which really seems horrible. Like it's going to be a girl. And I literally had the thought like, is he going to bring Bridget? Like is, you know, the future Mrs. Big already in the picture, but thank God, no, I was wrong. No, I was like, when does this all happen?

Cause I don't really remember all the details, you know? Oh, then, oh, so we're left with Carrie having invited big to her birthday and he's theoretically going to bring a date, which is about the worst scenario possible. Then we have to go to the therapist office with Samantha. Mm, mm, mm. I mean, I was like, this poor, poor Samantha, the least place she would probably ever, ever, ever want to be. I'm looking-

She did not like therapy. No, I mean, you can imagine that she wouldn't like therapy. No, she liked a one night stand. Totally, or just generally good sex, right? Like in whatever form. Who doesn't? Totally. Good sex is good and very important. I'm looking for this. Oh, it's Marilyn's so-called. She's Dr. Velma. She's really good. She was amazing. See into me, right?

Ah, yes. Yes. Into me see. That was the name of her book. Very good. Very good. Into me See. She's really nice too, really, really nice. And I almost feel like she comes back at some point, but maybe she just came to the parties and we hung out with her. I don't know, but she's really nice and she was great.

So they're at the therapist's office and poor Samantha, all she wants to say is that this person's member is too small, but she has to say everything. So they're talking around why they're not having sex and the therapist is trying to- Then she says it. Then she just can't hold it back anymore. When they talk about coming back to therapy, that's too much.

Yes, she says, I'll see you same time next week and then that's it. Yeah, they push Samantha too far. She can't hold her mouth anymore. And she says that it's just too small for her. And he of course is very mortified. Yes, good word. And he leaves and then the therapist is like, I feel you basically. I hear that. I hear that. Very good. Good memory. And I'm relieved.

I'm frankly relieved that this poor man is like freed from this situation and Samantha was too. Yes. Mm-hmm. It was a win win-win 100% I can't even really believe that she hung in there that long oh now now we go back to Daniel Beppe and I mean I just love these scenes so much so now Moran is just like talking and talking and talking and then she he's uh they're they're at postcoital and he says you know you know, what do you, what do I like? He's like, what do you like and what do I like? And you know, it's kind of hot. And she's talking about all the different things.

And then I don't even know if I'm gonna be able to repeat this, but she basically says something that she thinks he likes and that is not okay to say out loud. So he gets weirded out. There you go. And man was the writing brave. Incredibly.

That was a shocker. Definitely. And I remember at the time being like, oh, you know, like, what are we doing? And then we say it again at the dinner table. We talk about it at the dinner table. I know very freely. Very freely. Interesting also.

Who knew that was the one thing you couldn't say. Exactly. I love it. And I love this whole the dinner. And I remember these dancers. I remember the Moroccan restaurant. Do you remember? Yeah, beautiful. Very sexy. And so game, you know, because they were like, you know, get right up next to Chris, you know, do this, do that. And he's putting the money in there. And it was so hard for him to remember he was really suffering. Yeah, it was very difficult for Chris. He was really upset about it. Remember that? Yeah, that's like a timeout.

I don't remember that. Yeah, he was very sad. Like he was like, I don't know if I can keep doing this having these beautiful women Belly dancing in front of me and we were like, come on Chris. You could do it And he is here Willie is here with us, which is so nice I know Willie looking so young and beautiful Just a beautiful man beautiful actor such a beautiful man. Beautiful actor beautiful human being Yes, and when we go back in time and look at him, oh it gets me every time Beautiful man, beautiful actor. Such a beautiful man, beautiful actor, beautiful human being. Yes.

And when we go back in time and look at him, oh, it gets me every time. Sorry. I know. It's okay. It's okay. I mean, this is the beauty that we live on film, right? Yeah. There he is.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it seems like a hundred years ago sometimes and then sometimes not. Like I remember those girls like it was yesterday. I remember we were there for quite some time doing the scene. That was a long day. Yeah, probably into the night. Yes, a lot of Baba Ghanoush hummus.

Oh, and you're my mister. Mister, what do we call him? He's so mad. Is he Mr. Marvelous? He was so mean to me. He was so mean to me. Oh my God. That like got me turned on.

That was like my dirty talk. Susan Sharon, she was just like, what did you say? Get the fuck up. Could you say that again louder? I know, I was really nervous. I was really nervous watching that. Then you were gonna like. That was it.

It made me want to go home and be with my husband. I was glad that you chose your husband over Mr. Marvelous. Oh really? Yeah, because to me, Mr. Marvelous, because every time we see him, I think this is the second or third time we see him, he's like, you know, I just left some bitch. At least I didn't have to give her my money.

This is like all he ever says. He's so toxic. But I mean, your husband is also scary, but we're already missing him. We know you're already missing him. So I mean, I had a lot of feelings watching that. Okay. Oh, oh, I talk about Harry, my dog Henry. Henry, not Harry, we're not to Harry yet.

Where Henry is a big love bug, which is kind of adorable. Doesn't pan out. But then, thank God, Big shows up and he does not have a woman with him. He has Mr. Marvelous with him. Toxic man. But Carrie's so happy that it's not a woman, that she like hugs him.

And you can see Big's face is like, wow, I didn't think she liked Mr. Marvelous. And I don't think she does, but she's happy that he's not a date. And then you're there and you're talking to Mr. Marvelous and he tells her, do you ever just shut the up, which is kind of scary. Yeah. And that was the moment where you're like, wow, I really miss my husband. I really miss my husband. Yeah. Sweet talk. But I am glad that it comes full circle and that the dog that I go home to find has been a very messy and bad boy.

Yeah, he pooped in your hallway and he cheered up your bed and that was it. I know that's not okay. That is not okay. But I'm really happy that he finds a good home with you and the husband. Sure, all three of us can be dysfunctional together. Definitely, and he seems like the child you guys needed. There you go, everybody gets what they need. Exactly, exactly.

Happy endings all around. Right, they say, the Carrie voiceover says that the dog Henry is the glue that brings you and your husband back together. There you go. And you guys look pretty happy on that couch. We did. We were actually, we had a fun time shooting that scene. Oh good. I'm glad. I'm so glad. And now we're back on the New York street and at the end of that night, and Carrie's walking with Big. And I was very impressed with Carrie in the scene

because Carrie previously has not had a lot of cover with Big, right? But she lets him get in the cab and go, even though he looks back at her. You know what, I'm sure he's hoping that she's not gonna let him get in the cab. Yeah, because he offers her a ride home. Right.

And she says, no, I'll catch a cab. Right, and then he tries to give her cab fare, which is a little weird. Really weird. Right? And she says, no, I'll catch a cab. Right. And then he tries to give her cab fare, which is a little weird. Really weird. She says no. Thank god. She's not a child. You know what I mean?

No, she's got it. Yeah, she's got it. Thank god. And then he goes to get in his old town car, which is so charming, and looks back at her. And she just lets him go. So I was very proud of Carrie there. I thought that was really good.

That was a beautiful ending, too, because the camera was like a crane shot and it lifted way up into the sky and you just see her like really small in her red dress, making her way through Manhattan and it was very inspiring and heartbreaking at the same time. Because you wanted them to be together,

but you were so proud of her that she didn't get sucked in. Definitely. most definitely. And it's also, I love anything where in the olden days when we would film the streets, cause they look so different. I mean, you know, like doesn't it look different? Doesn't it look different to you, Molly? New York is, I don't even know New York anymore.

Right? When I go back, it's a totally different city. I mean, it was so gritty and sexy and fun and spirited and all the artists have left. I know. They all got priced out by banks and CVS. It's like, it's a totally different city because all the artists moved to Brooklyn. That's true. Yes, that is true. That is true. So when you go to Brooklyn, it feels like old New York to me. Definitely, most definitely. Like I lived in Chelsea for like 35 years and like the meat packing district was actually the meat packing district.

Like it was full of rats and racks of beef. Like that's what I remember. People like, wanna go dancing in the meat packing district? I was like, what? I know, dancing and shopping. It's crazy, it's so crazy. When I was there, it was rats and, you know, sides of houses. And you could smell, you could smell the meat.

You could smell the meat. Yeah, I remember too. Crazy. Yeah, those were the days. It is crazy. I know, that's why I love, I love the, when we do get a nice, wide shot of the streets. It's so evocative. You know, like you could remember what it was like back then and how empty it looks

really empty, you know? Yeah, well, because they probably shot it at, you know, four in the morning. Oh, no doubt. No doubt There would have been 20 million people had they not. So you guys, it's been so much fun talking to Molly Price and I really wanted to talk to her a little bit about coming on too and just like that. So we're gonna have another episode where we talk about all the things that went on when Molly came back to see us on and just like that. And so listen later this week, all right?

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