Are You A Charlotte? - Tracie Thoms reveals details about portraying Andy's BFF in Devil Wears Prada (and the sequel) as she analyzes the friendships in Sex and the City... (S3 E5 "Ghost Town")

Episode Date: April 13, 2026

From The Devil Wears Prada , Rent, and 911 , Tracie Thoms joins Kristin to unpack Sex and the City.  She describes what New York was like back then and how Sex and the City had an impact on NYC!  She shares fascinating details about the Devil Wears Prada and finding out she would return for the sequel!Plus, an unforgettable moment from the first episode she ever saw of  Sex and the City. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We have Tracy Tom's with us today. We're going to talk the Devil Wars product. Absolutely. We're also going to talk about Ghost Town. Yes. We are in season four. It's episode five. It's a cool and interesting episode written by Alan Heinberg, who you might remember

wrote the episode in Season 3 with the comic books. Oh, Robert. He was a new kind of different voice that came in and we're going to get him on the podcast at some point, you guys, because he's an interesting kind of a little bit of a departure that we followed in. It really is a cool episode in that way. It's not typical in how it follows the four of you. It's true, right?

It has a bit of a different vibe. Yeah, it has like a little eerie vibe to it. It does. It does. And I totally forgotten. I don't remember any of season four. I've told our listeners before. I'm rewatching it like with totally fresh.

I remember kind of vague things about it, but then I'm like, wow, I forgot about the ghosts. It's cool. Yeah, it's cool. Are there really ghosts? I mean, I think there are ghosts. Yeah. But is Miranda really hearing and ghosts?

Is Miranda really hearing ghosts? I don't think so. Yeah, but it's fun. Hi, there she is. Thanks, everybody. Thank you, caffeine flying in. Yay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so let me ask you your history with the show.

Like, did you watch it originally when it was on? Yeah, and when it was on, I think I was in grad school when it was on, and I had no time. I don't watch anything. Right. I didn't start watching it until, like, way later. But we were all very, very affected by the culture of it. So it felt like I watched it. Right.

You know, I felt like. So, yeah, we're all drinking our cosmos. Wait, where did you go? I went to Julia. Yeah, of course. You were right there. Oh, my God. We had no time, but you were in New York.

It felt like we were all in it. We were all to figure out who we were. Oh, yes. You know, and yes, the, I guess, the Cosmos and the Apple Martinis were very... The Apple Martinis happened a little later, but yes, I remember that. Just because, this is what, you know, you drank the girl's drink.

Yeah, definitely you had to drink the drink. I do know, I do know. Thola sugar. You survived Julia. That's impressive. I did. I did. I just hunk her down and got through.

I don't know when you graduated, but do you know Ella Stiller? No. Ella Stiller's Ben's daughter and she's on the comeback. Oh, okay. She had been on and just like that. She's younger, right? She's younger, yeah.

She's, she just graduated like maybe two years ago. Oh, okay. Yeah, no. But she had a lot to say about the Juilliard program. It's a lot. And it was different, you know, in the 90s. Yeah. I was there from 97 and 2001.

Got it. Is when I was there. So you were there literally, this aired 2001. Yeah. So we were filming that spring. in summer and airing. So you were literally like in it. In it at this time.

Yeah. Do you remember that summer as being quite glorious? Because that's how I remember it, the summer of 2001. That was the summer I graduated. Wow. So, yeah. And of course, bad things happened. Bad things happened and really changed everything.

But to me, when I think of that summer, it's like in Technicolor. Yeah, it's beautiful. I would go, because I was doing a show when I had a school, right after school in D.C. Mm-hmm. So go back up to New York and like, Mondays and like audition for stuff and run around the city. And it was, it was really beautiful then. And it really is so crazy that on that day, on September 11th,

that we're talking about, it was so beautiful. It was so beautiful. I was flying that day. Yeah. So beautiful. Clear skies. Gorgeous day. I know.

Gorgeous weather. Yeah. Gorgeous weather. I had done a photo shoot the day before in the village on Jane Street. Oh, wow. Out on the street on the cobblestones. Beautiful pictures, beautiful day. I had changed my flight from the.

the 10th to the 11th so I could do the photo shoot. It was the end of this season, right? So it was like a big season for us. Third season had been like, we got nominated for an Emmy and all the different things. So we were doing a lot of press. And so I had changed my, my, we had wrapped the season. I had changed my flight home to the morning of the 11th at 9 a.m.

With me and my big dog, my big golden retriever were on a plane. It didn't go well. No. Didn't go wow. Yeah, it was a big day. But it's interesting because it seemed to me like when you see movies, you know like not that it's like this fall of Rome but like you know like the glory before the fall that's how that summer felt like everything was extra everything was extra the world was full of

possibility you know it's exciting for us because we just graduated course um it was a time and and the and the city was sexy it really was really sexy time yeah it was a really sexy city at that time oh it's so sad to think about but it's also like the you know the you know the the cycles and the ebbs and the flows. And, you know, then we did that episode that everyone thought that we had, that we were writing in response to 9-11, but we had really filmed it before. Right. But it's, and it was like seasons change.

You know, and it is true. Like, the city will always be fine. Yeah. You can do anything to it. It will survive. The people will survive. Yeah. Yes.

It is. You know, the time after that was very strange. And, um, yeah. So the show that I was doing in D.C., is when I started watching the show. Okay. Right after that. Oh, that's nice.

Did you watch it from the beginning or did you just jump in? I just kind of picked up where I was. Okay, here we go. It was so interesting because when I first saw, I expected it to be a certain way. Do you think it was going to be about shoes? No, no, no. Okay.

No, I thought it was going to be more soapy. Oh. And less camp. Camp? You know, a little bit like funny. You feel like it's camp? Yeah. I didn't, well, Samantha's kind of camping.

You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. You know, she's kind of like, is this a clean show? Oh, you can say whatever you want. Okay. Like, the episode I started was when she was naked on the rooftop swimming with a guy. And she's like, Samantha. Samantha, shut up and show me your dick.

And I was like, oh. Oh, this is the show. That was your first episode. Yes. Oh, I understand. Shut up and show me a dick. I was like, okay, wow. Great.

I don't know what I thought of. it was going to be. Got it. You thought it was going to be softer. Yes. Like more innuendo and less like real.

I mean, and I knew it was about sex. Obviously, nothing about sex in it. But you thought it was soapy sex. Yeah. Not like. Not like in your face.

Sex like that. I loved it. But I was like, it was shocking. And I was shocked that I was shocked. I was like, why am I shocked? Why did?

What do I think it was going to be? Also think about now like because I was just thinking about Samantha in terms of her kind of, you know, lack of apology for any of it. Mm-hmm.

And really how rare that type of character is, even now, 30 years later. 30 years. Yeah. It's insane. And it's like every girlfriend group compares themselves to you guys. You know what I mean? I do. I do.

I'm just picking up random moments right now because it's muddough been in the movie. You know, the big iconic moment when Big left her and your face, we're all like you as friends. You know, and you're like, no. That was my job. Yeah. Get him. I know. Oh, I've got chills.

I'm glad. I'm glad. It's so good as an actor to be a part of something that works. Yeah. You know? And Michael Patrick, who wrote and directed the movie and who is our executive producer and writer and director at this point in the show. That day that we were filming, we filmed for a long time in the library, outside the library. We shut down 40th Street in between the two.

It was a, you know, huge, huge thing, right? And everyone was very nervous about, you know, the showdown at the showdown at the showdown. the cars when he does come. And we didn't have enough flower bouquets because we've been shooting many days and they were starting to wilt. But, you know, the things that you start worrying about, right? Because she had to hit him with the flowers. So we needed flowers to be able to hit with that, but they got to fly around.

Exactly. And they had to fly around. So Michael set up numerous cameras all around like on cranes. There was handheld. There was all the different things. And he basically said to me in private, like your job is to get her back to the car. and stop him from coming, right? But I didn't know what he was going to do, right?

So I didn't know what he'd said to Chris. I didn't know what he'd said to sin. Like we all had our own private direction, right? And then because he decided to keep coming, that was all ad-libbed, right? It worked out so perfect, but you never know, right? Like it's like, it's like magic when it works. Yeah.

You know? And you're just so happy that it was caught on film. And everybody was so great. That moment was so hard to get right. I see because of the anticipation of it. Yeah. After all those years. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Totally, totally, totally. But it's fun to look back, too. Yeah. Because, like, sometimes those are the things that I remember, and those are the things I think about. But as I'm rewatching, there's so many different layers and moments for all these relationships. And to see Aiden and Kerry back at the, in season four,

where they've been broken up, and then he comes back. Yeah. And he's got the hair cut. I know. He's just so sparkly. Totally sparkly. Totally sparkly. And the jury's gone.

which apparently, who am I? Charlotte really feels strongly about the turquoise jewelry, which I didn't remember any of this. Like, it's all kind of entertaining. But then, like, Carrie, it's so sad and you really wanted to work out with them

when you're watching them because they have great chemistry. And you kind of forget about Big, but also they have great chemistry. Like, it's kind of amazing. And I give that credit to all the actors. Yeah, yeah. You know, because most of us have a big, you know.

I have a big. My big was nothing like that big, though. my big was like not like yeah not like that I mean big was like super successful and all the things you know and came in and out

but just the one you think is the one yes who's not the one but it's one who's like you're trying to catch him right you know for years like well they won't they you know what I mean and you know everybody has a big not everybody but a lot of people have a big

I think a lot of people but but what age and experience teaches us is that often Big is not the one. No. It's the one after. Definitely.

But that's Aiden. Or two after that's Aden. Exactly. Exactly. When I watch them in this particular iteration, I'm like, they need to be together. Yeah. And it's so interesting because, you know, Carrie has, she's just dreading it and dreading it and dreading and going to the thing. I'm not going to go.

I'm not going to the bar. I need you to come to the bar with me. I need you to come with me. You know, I'm a random. Steve are so adorable. So adorable. And then he sees her and like nods at her. And I'm like, it's bad.

Back on. I mean, that's what it feels like. 100% is back on. And also, and we're jumping around, but it's fun. When they go out in the back and they have that cake. Yeah. Ooh. That moment is so good.

Sparkly. It's like the sun came out. Being it's sparkly, but it's also very dark and sexy. Very sexy. Yeah. It's on. I think our director is Michael Spiller who's been on DP, right? And it's so beautifully lit.

Like his visual, you know, storytelling is really working on all the areas at that point. But also the acting is just so incredible. I know. That's mostly what I think. I also think about the writing when I'm looking back because I am kind of experiencing these episodes as though for the first time because I can't really remember it, right? I didn't even remember my own storyline.

There are a lot of them. It was a long time ago. And sometimes I remember a lot and sometimes I don't. And I remember things like I remember filming in Bergdorf where we're laying in the beds. I remember that because it was always really fun to go film. And Barneys are Bergdorf because it's like, you know, a big deal. You know what I mean? And I remember Franny, such a great actor.

who played bunny. She's so wonderful. So great. And I know for me, because she as a person was basically just opposite bunny, like a fully different, very maternal,

very caretaker, very funny and light, like totally opposite bunny. And I know there's a scene where I'm with her in the store. And she's being like low grade,

passive aggressive, you don't mean to me. And I feel like I could just see myself as an actor, like just enjoying her so much but then also trying to be sure,

Charlotte and be annoyed. Most moments are crazy. You're like, I feel like I'm in the audience. I just bought a ticket and I'm just watching you act. Oh. You know, like I'm just in the audience.

Oh, right, I have to act with you. Right. I have to remind myself. I'm just enjoying her. I'm just enjoying you so much. She's not, right? Like Charlotte's not. It's so interesting.

But I love the, we've got, I think this is one of the ones to, and in general this season, all the storylines really work really well. Like everyone's got a good storyline. Yeah, and everybody's going through. growing pains and I'm more mature way, I think.

Yes. So true. You know, Samantha's trying to like, okay, now we're in a lesbian relationship. Great. Well, but not. But no. Shut up and show me your dick is now with a woman. I know, and it's not going great.

It's not going great. Because it's not her energy at all. I mean, I understand that it would be interesting to explore if you're open to it. And it's kind of maternal sometimes or kind of like nurturing or, kind of like nurturing or. Right, but she didn't want that. She doesn't want that. She definitely doesn't want that. She doesn't want that.

She's like... It's not... It's like trying to put a square peg in a hole. It's not, it's not like now. It's still hilarious. It's just in the tub. In the tub. Let's talk.

No, I don't want to talk anymore. I mean, I was about to jump out of my skin watching that. You know what I mean? She's just like, yeah, it's just like, how do you know that your partner is not enjoying this? At all. Are you paying attention? Because she doesn't like this. No, I agree.

I agree when I was watching it. I mean, I love the idea of her Samantha trying something different. And what would be different? A woman would be totally a significant relationship with a woman would be totally different, not just a bling or whatever. But also, like, they go to the bar and all those different guys are hitting on Samantha. And Maria's just mad. I'm like, but didn't you know who she was?

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She's like, does that all I get? And then they're outside. He's smoking a cigar, which is so odd and interesting. And then she's got cake, but she drops her fork, which I felt like was just a mistake that happened, but maybe it was in the script. I don't know. It all seems so real. And the thing that I love about it is that Carrie's so uncomfortable.

and obviously just kind of longing for him and feeling all her feelings. And he seems very covered, but yet their chemistry is still very much at play. But he's not really letting on how he feels, which is really interesting. Though she's like, oh, how am I going to eat my cake? And then he says, oh, I'll feed you your cake or something like that. And then she goes, oh, your fingers are all in it. And then he just kind of puts it in our mouth. And then she's got frosting on her lip.

But then Steve comes out and says that he has to go because they're going to do their toast. so he leaves without really showing his feelings, you know, which I think is really interesting. But you, as an audience, you're aware how much Carrie's feeling. And their chemistry is obviously very, very much in evidence. So that's going to be my Hyundai hot take, celebrating iconic moments, bold moves, an unforgettable style just like Hyundai.

So wait, if you jumped in the middle when you first started, did you ever go back and watch? No. No. I always got to jump in wherever it. Wow. But when, and just like that came, my partner and I religiously just like that. And it made sense.

And it did. Good. It just makes, you know these women. And they're so iconic, like, you know the stories. Yes. Yes, that's true. You may not know all the, every single detail, but it doesn't really matter. Yeah, you know who's with who.

Totally. Stuff like that. Yeah, you don't care about all the details. Yeah. Well, I don't need it to be in order. Got it. Got it. That's good to know.

Because also like, because it was such a huge part of our lexicon, I was very much clear in our friend group that I was you. Oh, really? You mean? I was absolutely you. I'm my friend group that time. Now I'm more Miranda, but I was like a mix between you and Miranda. Most people were like a mix of two.

Oh, definitely, definitely. Samantha, I just love Samantha and wish I could have been a Samantha, but totally not. Very traditional, monogamous, romantic girl was me. Got it, got it, got it. You know. And why would you say you're more Miranda now? Well, because Miranda's like the boss. I mean, she takes care of business.

You know what I mean? Yes. She just gets it done. She does. You know what I mean? She takes care of her girls. But she's also not afraid to tell the girls aren't messing out. Like, what are you doing?

You know? Definitely. It's great. One of those. 100%. And I love watching her do that. Yeah. I didn't really realize until I was rewatching it how often she tells us the truth.

Yeah. She's a truth. You know, she's a truth tell her. she's very logical, non-emotional, you know. So in that way, I'm very much like her. Got it. Especially as a good older. I'm like, none of this matters.

You know, I have like young friends who are like in their 20s or whatever. They're like, oh, my God. I'm like, oh, my God. This is so not important. But I understand it's important to you now. Right. In your mindset and where you are developmentally. Right.

But as a 50-year-old, it doesn't matter. Let's talk about the devil was part of for a second. Okay. I know Frankl is one of our directors. I know. How is he doing? He's great. Good.

I'm so excited you guys made a second. He's great. Yeah, and I didn't know for the longest time if I was coming back or not. Oh, no. That's stress. I didn't, you know, and I just had to let it go. Right. Because, like, the friends are like, do we think she still has those friends?

Do we think? If she does have those friends, I think that's a positive thing. Because I think it's nice to still have those friends and to have that as a through line for a character. But I wasn't sure. Right, of course. I don't think the writer was sure either. Got it. So all of a sudden, it's like, okay, you're in it.

It's like in a month and a half. Oh, my God. Okay. What am I doing? Right. Who is Lily now? Right. And did you like the answers?

I did. Oh, good, good, good. I did. And they made sense to me. Good, good. Because after 20 years, you're probably still going to be friends with your girlfriend. I would hope so. You know, probably not still with your ex.

Right. But Nate is not there in the film. They broke up at the end of the way. we moved to Boston. Right. But yeah, but this is the first time we did it, it was just, what are we doing? Oh, it's going to be a cute rom-com situation or something.

Yeah. And had no idea it would be the global sensation that it turned into. Thank God it. It did. It was exciting to watch. I really had no idea. I mean, I don't think anyone ever knows, and I think any time that you're doing a female-driven movie,

there's always so much doubt, which is so stupid. you know, it's just never ending doubt in our business about female-led projects. I mean, Meryl's been out there talking about it, which I really love, about like how low the expectations were, how they had trouble getting funding the first time, how they had trouble getting closed the first time, all the different things, because no one ever thinks that we're going to do well. Yeah. And then you do well, and everyone's shocked.

Shocked, I tell you. Yeah. Shocked. But, you know, I mean, Anne, I guess just had was, known for, you know, Princess Diaries. She was known for, like, doing more kid stuff, even though that kid stuff, you know. So this was a big deal for her.

I remember being very stressful for her doing it the first time. She was like, oh, God, this is my, I'm an adult. You know, and it's interesting because, you know, Entourage was at, like, the top of its fame at that time. So, Adrian was the big star in the group. No way. Yeah. Oh, my God.

That's so crazy. So he was the one with fans. trying to come up to us all the time. Wow, wow, wow. You know, and Rent had not come out yet. Right. So I remember shooting the scene in the coffee shop. I missed the coffee shop in New York.

I remember that place in the U.S. Yes. Yeah, we shot in there. The big purse scene where I'm like, well, for her stuff. We shot that on the day the soundtrack dropped for rent. Oh. So I was sitting there, and my manager brought me to the CD.

He was like, he went to the Tower Records and got it. So it's all this, like, fun stuff around it. Yeah. When we were shooting it. These were good times. It were. It was that time.

Yeah. My kids are so forever like they did rent at my daughter's high school. And I was like, oh yeah, I know rent. And she was like, what do you mean? I said, I saw a rent on Broadway. I know Edina and Tay. She's like, what do you mean? I was like, you know their son.

Walker. Walker is their son. They went to school together. She's like, wait. They were in it. I'm like, yes, baby. Yeah, on Broadway and the movie. These are the people.

but we know. Like, it's weird for them to make those leaps. Why? Because you're just mom. They actually care about. You know what I'm saying? Mm-hmm. It's interesting.

But it's fun. It's fun to have that history. And I told her about going to get tickets and all the rent heads being sleeping on the sidewalk. You had to like leap over them to get to the box office or whatever. It was good times, man. It was a good time, yeah. Oh, God. Jesse.

Jesse. Oh, I love Jesse so much. Jesse's one of the best human beings. Isn't he? That. I've ever known. I agree. Incredible person.

He'll just out of nowhere call me and just be like, Tracy, I want to you know that I love you and you're great. And I'm like, thanks, Jesse. That's all.

He's a good, like, cheerleader, like support. Absolutely. Absolutely. Remember, we used to do the big Revlon run walk for breast cancer.

And for some reason, he was always there. He was like a mainstay and I went every year and hosted it and I would speak to the huge audience of people. survivors and you know it was always very intense um and jesse was always there it was so wonderful

i don't know i don't know when i first met jesse jesse was just always there yeah and such a bright light such a light to see anyway back to devils were proud of so devil wears prudith too coming out very soon very exciting molly rogers our own molly rogers back in there getting all kind of comments on the clothes you know yeah she's used to it she yeah she's used to it she yeah she's used to and she's such a eye. You know what I mean? She put things together and I'm like, how did you see that?

What happened? I know. I know. So I think of this dress. So I had this dress I tried on. Okay. And it was really lovely, flowy dress.

And she's like, hmm. And I was like, I love this dress, but it feels a little, she's like, she feels a little lady. Oh. And I said,

it does it. That's exactly what it feels. Like it was a little lady. She's like, okay, what if we were, it as a jacket. Oh. I said,

like a duster. Nice. So dress as duster instead of late. It dresses lady. Yeah. And I'm like, yeah. So then we put on some funky pants and like a tank top and the dress open. Yeah.

She has a whole creative. It's such a cool look. Yeah. Definitely. She changes stuff up all the time. Yeah. I mean, I have a lot of Charlotte's clothes and sometimes I can wear them because the way that I would

style them is so completely boring. However, she would be getting it all together. and thank God, right, so that I can just incorporate some of it into, you know, how I look, which is less exciting than how Charlotte looks. Well, you know, you can't dress like that all the time.

No. Because a lot of times it's just, I mean, sometimes I don't watch it. And whatever outfit Carrie had on that day, I'm like, that's ridiculous. I know. The big thing you have on your head or the thing. It's so great for the show, but I thought of it in real life if I saw someone walking down the street.

That's true. But in New York, you do see people. You don't do more. I mean, you do. But I would be like, oh, it will be a thing. For sure, for sure. I would notice it. Sarah says, and I get this, that, you know, Carrie's a creative person, right? She's a writer.

And so her way that she's expressing herself just on a regular daily basis is through her outfits. Yeah. Right? And I think if you think about that, it does make sense. And Sarah doesn't dress like that, obviously, you know, I mean, she dresses up when she has to, but her regular thing. But she has, like, a uniform. She's very uniform. Yeah.

And then, but Carrie's like the opposite. of that. Yeah. You know, so she's a character. It always looks good, but it's like if I saw it in life, I would be staring at her. And no one stares at her in the show. She just walks in the street. That's a good point, though. I do think when she wore that really big hat and just like that, I do think people

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I went and sat on the little ottoman in front of him. I said, hi, dad. And just when I said that, my mom comes out of the kitchen. She says, I have some cookies and milk. This is a badass convict. Right. Just finished five years. I'm going to have cookies and milk at my mom.

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Did you realize? So this is the final season, right, where she's moved into the Gramercy Park. Oh, okay, okay. I'm not all the way caught up. Let me explain then. But season one. Got it. Okay, so let me explain what happens.

Just the gist of it because I still think that people don't know. And Molly and I have talked about it on this podcast, but I still think that it doesn't necessarily, people don't realize this. So Carrie moves in to a brownstone and Gramsie Park from the 1860s, basically. And she ends up writing a historical fiction type of a novel of a woman who would, have lived there in her mind, right? She starts having kind of, like, fantasies of this woman who lived in that house back originally. Yeah.

And she starts dressing in ways that are influenced by that time period. Is this season two? Yes, season three. Season three. Season three. This is why she wears that hat. And she ends up having dresses with subtle bustles. Okay.

Undercoats. This makes sense. I'm like... But it's never said. Yeah. Right? It's just how genius Sarah Jessica and my... Molly are at putting in detail slowly.

So, like, as the season goes on, her, what do you call the word of, like, how you're, oh, it's going to come to me, your shape of the dress. Your silhouette. Thank you. Her silhouette, thank you so much. Good one. Her silhouette subtly starts to shift as the season goes on. Yeah.

And if you're just seeing pictures, you don't have any idea, right? Do you know what I mean? People are like, why is she wearing that? Right. And I mean, the bonnet is vague. Okay. No, no, not trying to say it's not. But there was a reason.

Yeah, it is a reason. I think it's also really fun about it. It's really fun. It's Sarah could just wear these clothes, just wore them like it was completely normal. Exactly. And it's like, so you buy it. It's like, yeah.

I know, right? I mean, it's a creation. Right. I mean, there are women in New York who do. There are women who do. I know. I have friends who do. Right.

It's interesting. And I'm like, always in a heel, like always in a hill. Right. I don't do it. Right. Well, you know, a lot of people can't do it after COVID. After COVID? After COVID?

After COVID? After COVID? After COVID? Not because they had COVID. Okay. But because we were on lockdown for so long that women weren't wearing heels. That's true. And it actually changes your shape or your foot.

It's true. If you walk on a bare feet or. Listen, I would work and then we would not work and then we would have to go back to work and be in those shoes for eight hours a day and I would have a whole foot prep workout with a tennis ball. to get the feedback. Yeah, you have to walk around on your toes. You have to get used to it or else you're in a lot of pain. You're in a lot of pain.

So I get that. And this girl I follow, she's a blogger who is Loevi. She's great. Had a whole big shoe collection after COVID. She was like, I need to talk about this. I cannot wear my shoes anymore. She got rid of her shoes? I can't wear them anymore.

What happened? And then a podiatrist jumped in and was like, this is what's happening. You're not making it up. Your feet actually spread. When you don't wear heels all the time. If you go months without, if you're wearing heels all the time and you go months without wearing them, the shape of your feet changes. So she had to sell all her shoes.

Wow. I probably need a podiatrist to look at my feet. She's a sneaker head now. Look at her. Yeah. Do what you want. I'm doing sneakers now. I'm selling my shoes.

But it was. Fantastic. It was so enlightening. So now when I have a vent or something like that, you know what I mean? Because you always want to wear a heel. Yeah. It's, there's a moment. There's a.

Yeah. It was like a minute where it's like, I'm fine, I'm not. Fine, fine, fine, fine, fine. I've had those moments. Saw my feet off. Call the car. I have had those moments too. It's hard.

They get numb after a while. They do. That's horrible. I hate that. I hate that. Are you going to go out and do all the stuff and the premiere and everything? Cool. In New York.

Yeah, yeah. And I'm doing things like this. Fantastic. We're so happy to have you. How do you feel, do you feel like people are going to like the storylines and everything? I think so. I think people are excited. It really makes sense.

A friend of mine was really good at like writing stories. I said, what do you think the story is? What do you think would make sense? And it was almost exactly what they said. Oh, interesting. Well, I think there's probably this has happened. That's really close. Cool.

So it just said to me that it really does make sense and logical sense. What would be happening with these folks now? I just love to see the anticipation and the appetite. because we need more movies like these. And I do think it can open and be a theatrical experience, which now the whole thing is like, is it worthy of going to the movie theater? And yes, the answer is yes.

And we need to support. Everybody's wearing red shoes. They're going to put tickets already. There's a little pan bag that's popcorn that holds a popcorn. Oh my God, no. That is adorable. Yeah. It's like the promotional thing.

I know it's AMC. No Disney or something like that. There's a little handbag that holds popcorn. This is a great idea. I'm like, this is real. There's key chains. Wow. They're on it.

No way. Thank you. Easton, that's so cute. We love it. I know. I need to get one and do the gimmie, gaming with that, with the bag.

I mean, 100%. I want one too. We need to go to the AMC to see the Devil Wars Prada too so that we can get ourselves a popcorn handbag. Popcorn handbag. I'm down with it.

Okay. It's such a good idea. I'm like, right? Yeah. Gosh, we should have come up with that idea. but I'm glad. I'm glad that it's for you guys.

I'm very excited. I'm super supportive of this film and I can't wait to see it. Thank you. I'm very, very happy. I can't wait to see it either. I think it's going to be fun. It's a cast of thousands. That's okay.

So many people in the movie. Well, they kept adding people. So many amazing people. I know in the movie. Like different people would show up. Molly would be like, I know. I just had the fitting. I know.

I know. But it was really weird being there. And the table reads because there we were. Everyone's nervous. Yeah. I thought it was just me you know, Merrill's nervous, you know what I mean? And she's like, oh, I didn't get the script

downloaded last night, you know, so she's going to that thing and it's like, I can't eat anything. I just can't. I just can't. I just can't. My stomach's too upset. It's a lot of pressure. And, you know, and Emily's there, like, you know, we're looking at each other like, it's been 20 years. And look at us. And day one of shooting,

the first day of shooting, the first shot was me and Ann. Oh. Right? Day one, we're there like, here we go. Yeah, yeah. And the camera guys are the same. No way.

Yeah, like the whole crew's the same. Oh, that's nice. It was really amazing. I'm so glad. That's so nice. That's so nice. When we went back to work, we did not have the same camera crew because everyone is a very big deal now. Which is good for them because they deserve to be because they did incredible work.

But I was like, wait, I thought they would all come back. Naive me. Right. I know. But we had a great, we had a great crew who came back. Oh, yeah. You don't know what I mean. It's amazing.

Yeah, there's a lot of incredible people out there who do our job. Thank God. All right, let's talk about the show. So here we are. We're back with our show, Ghost Town. So in this episode, it's about being haunted by your exes. But Miranda also thinks that she might have an actual ghost, which is kind of funny. And I've forgotten all about it, but she's in bed alone with her cat.

And she said to the girls the next day that her cat, Fatty is the cat's name, which I'd also have forgotten, heard the ghost as well. Yeah, and looked up. Right. The cat's all like looking around. And then she says, she tells the girls later that she got the super to let her in upstairs and then no one's living there. Yeah, no one's living there. Right. And they kind of play slightly eerie music and it's like a whole different vibe for a show. And I really enjoyed it.

Yeah. But I also didn't remember it. So I was like, what is going to happen? Yeah. But it's really just about the emotional memory of the exes, I think. Yeah. Yeah. And it really does feel like you're haunted by your ghost, by your ex.

It does feel that way. You know, when you. Yes. I remember all feeling haunted by my exes in the past. Like I wouldn't go to certain places. I was so afraid that they were going to be there. Well, in New York especially. And it was going to remind me of the time when we were there together.

Of course. So a couple of restaurants were haunted for me for a while. Most definitely. Exercise them and go. Well, certain blocks can be too because you know where they walk and where they live and you have to avoid those blocks. That's awkward. I hate that. Yeah.

Yeah. I was always happy when either I moved away or they. they moved away from New York, you know, because like in L.A., you're in your car, so you don't have exactly the same worry. You might have a restaurant worry, right? Yeah. But you don't have the block, the neighborhood worry that you have in New York. From the subway every day together.

Totally. Yeah. So stressful. So stressful. There was this one Brooklyn neighborhood that I always had, back in the olden days, pre-show. I dated someone who had like a brownstone, I guess, or part. of a brownstone in this one neighborhood in Brooklyn. And I, oh, I didn't know Brooklyn at all.

I had no reason to go to Brooklyn back there in the olden days. But this was really nice. And I was like, wow, this is very nice. You know, my naive self. This would be like 1990, maybe. And then later on, when we were doing it just like that, my kids and I went and lived in Brooklyn. And I was like, is he here?

Right. He took a couple weeks. He's long gone. Okay. He's moved. You know what I mean? Intellectually, I know this. But you just really feel like they're around the corner.

You're going to turn the corner and they're going to be staying right there. It's going to be horrible. It's going to be horrible. And you're going to be like, you know, and it's, yeah. You guys, this is so much fun that we are going to have to have a part two. So join us later in the week on RU.S. Charlotte. Hello, gorgeous. It's Lala Kent. Host of Untraditionally Lala.

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