Are You A Charlotte? - We Invented Ghosting with Sarah Wynter…

Episode Date: January 20, 2025

She was the very first person to appear on screen on Sex and the City.  Sarah Wynter (Elizabeth) joins Kristin Davis to reminisce and analyze the Pilot episode.  The show exposed ghosting before we even had a term for it, an unconventional use of ice on Sarah, and an actor that was supposed to appear in the pilot is revealed!  Plus, you will learn from Kristin’s mistakes as she admits to a major dating NO NO.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The first face you see in the pilot of Sex and the City. Sarah Winters here you guys. It's so exciting. I'm so excited to be here. Thank you. It's just, it's, it's, I'm thrilled. I'm so, so happy you're my first guest. Well, it's very fitting.

Yay! Because I was the first. I'm so, so happy you're my first guest. Well, it's very fitting. Yay! Because I was the first. I know, and you're so adorable. I watched it last night. Oh my God, you in the back of that cab with your Louis Vuitton. Oh, and the hat, and the gloves.

In a cab, okay? In a taxi. It was a very interesting group of things. Yes. But you look incredible. Oh. And I really was so like pulled into your storyline. And then I'm like, what happened to her?

Where did she go and what happened? We should have had you like continue on and make sure you were okay. Yes, it's not too late. Let's have her back. Let's check in with Elizabeth. She'll run into you. She'll run into you on the street.

But she's doing so well now. Tell me, tell me. Well, maybe she runs a company. Maybe she's the CEO on the streets. But she's doing so well now. Tell me. Well, maybe she runs a company. Maybe she's the CEO. Love it. But yeah, it ended in such a, it was the best meet cute, I think, of any show I've ever seen. I'm not saying that just because I was the cutie.

No, you did great. And I was pretty darn cute. You really are. 30 years ago. And you still are. Come on, you still are. Thank you. You're welcome. I laughed that, you still are. But I, thank you. You're welcome.

I laughed that, you know, she's a journalist and she's got, yeah, Louis Vuitton luggage. I know, I know, I was so impressed. And we shot, I think it was the Brooklyn Bridge. Yes. And I remember Susan Sidelman was in the taxi, crouched on the floor while we're actually moving. I remember that too.

And it was my first job. It was like my first. Are you kidding me? I think it got me into the union. Yeah. I had no idea. No, it was. How did you get the job?

So I auditioned. And it's so funny. Remember, this was like, you know, the mid to late 90s. Right. 97. It was I was very excited to audition for a show, but it was cable. And the dream was to get on a network show.

Right. HBO was not what it became. No. No. No. Now Sarah Jessica Parker had already been cast. So I thought, well, it can't be that bad. Right. And maybe I'll get a network show after this. Now I would kill to be on an HBO show. Wouldn't we all? But yes. Yes. But that, yeah, I auditioned and I was very excited to meet Susan Sidelman because she had directed Desperately Seeking Susan. So she had done a Madonna movie and it was all very razzle dazzle.

And I remember in the audition, she said, now, how do you feel? There might be a nude scene. And I was like, oh, okay. Like, yeah, I'm good with that. Yeah, whatever. You know, she said, it's gonna be like a bathtub. You'll be covered, but you know, yeah, I'm good with that. Yeah, whatever. You know, she said, there's gonna be like a bathtub. You'll be covered, but you know, there might be a little-

A bathtub? A bathtub. I think we ran out of time. They had, we were gonna do a scene in a bathtub. We ended up like just, you know, having this like very, it was very tasteful. It was like in silhouette. It was really just my top half.

And again, 30 years ago, I look pretty good. You look incredible. Incredible. Before kids. But I remember, it's so weird. I pretty good. You look incredible. Incredible. I remember, it's so weird. I don't remember a lot in my life. I don't remember what my last job was, but I remember so much about this pilot.

Tell me. The read through, the table read. Okay, yes. Tell me the read through, because I don't remember the read through. I remember the read through. I remember seeing you, and I didn't even know really who had been cast.

No one's keeping me up to date. So I knew Sarah Jessica Parker was gonna be in it. I knew Darren Starr because of Melrose. Melrose is 902 now. And Melrose. And when I saw you, I was like, oh my God, that's Brooke from Melrose Place. Oh my God, she's so gorgeous.

Be cool, be cool, be cool, be cool, be cool, be cool. You're sweet. That is definitely how I was feeling. Be cool, try to be cool. be cool, be cool. You're sweet. That is definitely how I was feeling, like, be cool, try to be cool. And I was very unsuccessful. You stood up when he walked in the room and you and Darren hugged. And I thought, oh, yes, of course, they know each other because she was Brooke. And Sarah Jessica was there. And I remember we started reading and Sarah was crossing out anything that said,

Carrie walks in with a sexy, gorgeous, hot. And it wasn't it was not a disrespectful to the writer kind of thing that she kept crossing it out. Like people were laughing, but she was just like, eh, eh, eh. And I remember the person that they had cast to play the boyfriend was not the person that wound up getting the job on set. I was surprised when I got on set. They had cast Christopher Lawford, who was John Kennedy Jr.'s cousin. Yes! He was at the read through.

And I remember thinking, yes, I remember thinking, that's perfect to have like this Kennedy, not Kennedy S. I understand. Kennedy. What the heck? Yes. And he had been an actor. What happened? What happened? I want to know. I been an actor. What happened? What happened? I want to know.

I don't know. Did he become unavailable? Maybe he was like, what is this show? Did something happen? Maybe, yes, cause none of us knew what this show was. We didn't know anything, totally. I mean, and I remember Kim, at the end of the read through went, 13 more.

And I was like, what does that even mean? Like, what is 13? And I didn't realize like, that's TV. That's TV. And that's, you know, and that's, and I was like, yeah, 13 more. Ah, that's adorable. And even though I knew my character ended

and I wasn't gonna, like I said, it's not too high, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, and I wound up kind of being the first person to have sex on Sex and the City. I know, and this is what I remember of that, right? So when we, so we did the show, obviously we were all very excited

and I really, really desperately wanted my part, but we were nervous because do you remember the show Dream On that had been on HBO? Oh yeah. And like every week some girl would just for some reason take her top off. Like just randomly kind of like. We were like is this what we're supposed to do?

Like please no, like even though we were scared, right? We didn't really know, I was telling everyone before too, we didn't know how people would respond to kind of the very upfront way that we were talking about sexuality. Because at that point it hadn't really been done on TV. Right? And cable was a weird thing.

Like it was all very unknown. And so I remember being really nervous and we didn't have clauses in our contract at that point that we had to be neutered, that we did whatever we, because we were all panicked, like we don't, we're scared. Right? And the day that you had to do that new scene, I was in the hair and makeup trailer,

getting ready for whatever, like talking on the phone or something boring. And they came in, one of the makeup artists came running and like, we need cups of ice for Sarah Winters' nipples. Oh my God, oh my God. Right? And that was our response. Yes, I needed ice for my nipples.

Like I, who knew that that was a thing? I did not know either. I was trying to be so cool and calm and collected. You did. But they needed ice. I know. We were really impressed. We were panicked, but also impressed.

Maybe that's why they look so good, too. They look fantastic. Bring in the ice. I know. It worked. It worked. Top of ice. It worked.

But all of a sudden, and then they ran back out. We were like, what is going on? Oh my gosh. Is this like a thing? Yeah, it's like, how good? No one's ever offered me eyes since. And no one offers me eyes, I don't do those kinds of scenes anymore, but yeah.

Well, you did it well. Well, thank you. And you really seemed like you were fine. Do you know what I mean? You know, I was, I think Susan, having a female director obviously was really helpful. And I didn't realize at that point, this being my first like TV experience, that that's quite rare. That was rare. Certainly.

Definitely. You know, in 1997, I think it was. Yeah. And yeah, it was wild. I remember you came into the makeup trailer once and we had no scenes together. And they cut your hair. Like, you had like a- I told them! It was like a lob.

And you came into the makeup trailer and you're like, well, it's sporty. I look kind of sporty? That's me trying to be positive because I really hated it. I know you look beautiful. Oh, you look so sweet. You look so good.

But yeah, I could tell it was like not your choice. No, they made me do it. They made me do it. Yeah, and it was so like, did she need to have like a bob? I know, right? No. No. It all worked out.

I mean, but the pilot was so very different to the how it all looked. I mean, it was dark. So dark. You all talked to the camera. All of us. It was nothing about fashion. In fact, I had all the fashion.

Right, well, we didn't have Pat yet. You didn't have Pat. Right, but you had some outfits. fact, I had all the fashion. Right, well you didn't have Pat yet. You didn't have Pat. Right, but you had some outfits. Oh, I had Versace. I remember they put me in my first pair of Manolo Blahniks. Right. And another funny thing I remember is there's a brief scene with a real estate agent.

Yeah, in the house, walking through the apartment. Do you know who she was? Yes, I do. Donna Hanover. She was Donna Hanover, married to Rudy Giuliani. I did a play with her later. Who was with her later? At the time.

I know it was weird, right? It was weird. We had security on set. I know it was very strange. We had security. Donna's so nice, though. She's lovely. We later did a play, and she was like, do you remember when I came on the pilot?

I'm like, oh my God. Yeah, yeah, that was her. How bizarre. Yeah, it was bizarre. Right? Yeah, it was, and I knew who she was. I lived in New York and she was actually a co-host of a like Good Morning New York, one of those shows. I remember that.

Yeah, and yeah, that was like. Trippy. Trippy. Very trippy. Trippy, yeah. So let me ask you, so you have good memories of the pilot. Do you have memories of, because we waited a long time for the show to be picked up.

Do you remember that? Oh yeah, I remembered like, oh, maybe it's not gonna happen. I had at that point done like a movie, I had moved to Los Angeles, and then I heard it actually, they've made it, it's becoming a series, you haven't been cut. Always what an actor wants to hear.

Yeah, I haven't been cut. You haven't been cut. Thank God. Yes, thank God. It would have been a lot, you haven't been cut. Always what an actor wants to hear. Yeah, I haven't been cut. You know. Thank God. Yes, thank God. I would have been a lot cutting a lot of scenes. And even though it was short, like we shot for a week. Oh, yeah. You know, Chelsea Pierce.

Well, there were a lot of little pieces. Little, yeah. And that was the thing. The re- we filmed crazy hours. I don't know if you remember this. Oh, yeah. Even the pilot, crazy hours. And everyone would be like, why?

It's because all those little scenes had to be connected by the voiceover later, not so much in the pilot, but to make it, to tell the story. We were trying to tell a story through tiny little scenes. That's hard to shoot, right? Because you have to go to the different location and set up and da da da da da da da. But that's what is so great about your part of the thing,

but also frustrating because we don't continue with you. Right. It's so sad. Right, I know. And I think, you know, when I was reminded like, hey, you were the first person to have sex on 6CC. I'm like, yes, I was. I was also the first person to be ghosted

before ghosting was a thing. I know, we didn't have the name. Right? We didn't have a name. But we've all, you know, we know what it is. And it was so kind of sad. but we've all, you know, we know what it is. And it was so kind of sad. And over the years, you know, through, I mean, the show went for such a long time.

It was such an incredible part of, you know, culture, then the movies, and now, you know, what you're doing now, and just like that, it, you know, I've wondered, like, you know, and there's been such triumph for women, you know, such like, we're not beaten down by these women that it doesn't end our lives, you know, you move on. I'm like, but I feel like my character had all her, you know, triumphs off camera. Look at it. Yeah, she found love. She found a great guy. Thank God. Thank God. Thank God.

Hopefully not one of the guys in the pilot because they're all awful. They're all horrible people. Right, I know, I know. And they're out there with how horrible they are. They're not even pretending. Totally. Which I guess is something, like people do put-

Something to be said for that. There's something to be said for just putting out what a rotten human being you are instead of pretending like you're, you know, because that, I come into that. Well, that's what's annoying about your guy, is that he's all like, kind of glamorous, prince charming, and then he's just like gone. So frustrating.

And it's funny that we didn't have the term ghosting. And then, I mean, in my little notes, they want me to say if I've ever been ghosted or have I ever ghosted anyone, which I think is a hysterical question. And my manager was like, Chris and Dave was like, Chris had never been ghosted. No, I did have to think back. A long time ago, I was ghosted anyone, which I think is a hysterical question. And my manager was like, Christian's never, Dave was like, Christian's never been ghosted. No, I did have to think back.

A long time ago I was ghosted, though it was, I don't know, I don't know exactly. I mean, it's hard to define ghosting exactly. I do think it was when there were cell phones, because obviously now ghosting is more a tech thing, right? Back then cell phones were new. But I did one time date this at work actor. I think this was before Sex and the City,

maybe between Melrose and Sex and the City, or maybe when I was on Melrose, I don't know. He's now very successful, he was very talented, but at the time I had money because I'd been working and I was at his house and he had all of these, like you're like, Tristi's gonna be turned off, like all those notices that you get when like, you know, you can't pay your bills.

They were all just all over his house, right? And I was like, you know, what's happening? And then I think he wrecked his motorcycle, which is like how he got around town to his auditions. And I was like, you know, can I lend you some money? Horrible mistake, okay? A kiss of death. Right?

Thank you, Sarah. So and anyone listening, do not lend any money that you are dating. No. Do not do it. It doesn't end well. No, it doesn't end well. And you never get the money back. Right.

And it really irked me. So then, I lent him money. You know, it changed the dynamic in a horrible way. And it was kind of a casual thing, right? So I probably should have known better. You know what I'm saying. But I just thought like, I can help, I should help this guy, he's so talented, which he is.

Lend him money, I think it was all of $5,000. That's a lot of money. Oh, thank you, thank you. Very nice, yes. So I lend him this money and then, you know, he stopped calling and I'm like, what the heck? So I remember going over to his apartment and like banging on the door and his dog was in there

and I loved his dog and I could hear his dog but I was like, is he in there and pretending that he is not in there? Do you know what I'm saying? And I was like, and then later on he did call me, he's like, did you come to my house and bang on my door? And I was like, well, yes. Yeah.

Yeah. I think he was like, I know, right? I felt so embarrassed, like being messy. Like I was like messy, but then he was like, I know, right? Yeah. I felt so embarrassed, like being messy. Like I was like messy. But then I was like, well, you remember how I lent you the money? Now I have it all for you. You had every right to know.

I want to see that. That's like a movie. That's like a senior show. But also this is a successful actor. Well, I think, what? Let's add up, like what? With interest. With interest.

I know. The mid-90s. I mid 90s I just would love some acknowledgement or whatever right which is like kind of a fantasy or whatnot but you know it is funny but that was the best story I would go knock on his door again would you where does he live let's go let's knock on his door he's not in the country he's married with some children so I don't think I want to show up there he probably doesn't have a dog anymore so I think he has numerous animals all right well you know you live and learn but yeah you do you do not learn I can't think so. No, I think he has numerous animals. All right. Well, you know, you live and learn. But yeah.

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Listen to the new season of Here's the Thing on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What about you? Ghosting? Well, I, let's see, I don't think I could ever ghost someone. I can't picture you. And I didn't really date as a young person. I was always in relationships.

I've been married and I have kids now and I'm divorced. So I'm dating like now, which is very weird. Yeah. I like to think it's a bit more grown up. If I meet someone or we go on a date or two and I don't feel something, I just say like, it's lovely to meet you. Good for you. You are a great guy. I don't feel a connection, but I wish you all the best.

Amazing. And that's sort of my thing. That's good. I don't think I've been ghosted in the traditional sense. I would never ghost you. Thank you. And I can take it. I mean, if someone says, you know, I think you're great,

but you have young kids or you live on the other side of the country. I'm like, thank you for telling me. That's great, good luck. You know, whatever. Well, this is what we want to be as grownups, right? Yes, hopefully. We don't need to be ghosting people. No. No, I agree, I agree totally.

But it is, I think it is such a good and interesting thing to talk about because I do think that young people are often going through this. You know, men and women, right? And I think it's such a hard thing because you're just left there wondering. Like with the three dots, right? Like, are they going to? It's awful, awful, awful.

Are they going to? Awful, awful. And just say it. Right. Like how bad can it be? Totally. But now we do have social media, so you can go try to, you know, investigate what's happening. Right.

But then it's a waste of your energy. Blessing. And I've had to take, I took Instagram off my phone a couple of years ago. And it was one of the best things I ever did. Wow. I still have it on my iPad, but I keep my iPad in my bedroom. Smart.

Limit the. I realized how much time I was spending looking at things that made me feel like, like why am I doing this? My Instagram feed is all dogs and elephants. Well, that's the way to go. Yes. Yeah, I know you love elephants.

Yes, yes, yes. And the puppies. I want to see the puppies get adopted. Right. It's really nice. You know what I mean? And also I do- It's using it for good.

Right, right. Because there are such positive things on there, but there's also such toxic things and you've got to protect the kids from that too. And the grown ass women who are gonna protect me. Good point, good point, good point, good point. From feeling, yeah, like crap, but. No, that's not worth it.

Yeah. That's not worth it. No, nothing's worth that. And you're writing now. I'm writing. Yay. Yes, I'm developing a limited series with my writing partner. Wow. And who knows where it will land, you know. I would like if anyone's out there listening

and they want to read an incredible show for women that's basically a delicious revenge tale of beautiful people doing bad things. Wow. Hit me up. Yeah, so I'm excited about that. And I wrote an article that got published in Vanity Fair, which I was proud of. Yeah, because I'd never written anything before. Amazing.

Yeah, that was I was really proud of that. So that's amazing. I produced a movie sort of based on that topic with Amanda Seyfried. And yeah, I just, but I miss acting. I do miss acting. Yeah. I want to, I miss telling stories from that perspective, you know, writing, writing my own stories is fun, but, and I'd like to continue to do that, but I, I do want to get back in front

of the camera and, you know, not in a leading role, not in that part of my career anymore, but just, you know, pop in here and there, you know. Yeah. I'd love to do more of that. It's so interesting because, like, for the longest time, I didn't really miss acting. I didn't go that long without acting, but, I was like, you know, when I was young, I needed, I needed to be acting in some form, right? Like on camera, in theater, whatever it was.

And I don't know if it was having kids, and that kind of takes on a whole creative side of you in a different way. Like an emotional side, but I didn't need it as much. But then the funny thing is when we did go back to do And Just Like That, because we're with Michael Patrick and you know, everybody, you know, we've been together so long. I had all this pent up emotion. Yeah, I didn't really realize.

Wow. It was interesting. Wow. And then you had an outlet. I did. And I was like, well, this is why we love it. Right. Isn't that great? Because when you step away as you become a parent,

you are fulfilled in other ways. And you don't crave that creative, also it's like a family being on set. If you have a family at home, It's different. It's a different thing shift. But yeah, stepping back into it, having stepped away is so sweet. It is, it is, it's different. It's a different, you know, things shift, but yeah, stepping back into it, having stepped away is so sweet.

It is, it is, it's fun. Yeah, and also you've had Charlotte in your life for so long. I know. And to be able to watch you, I can't even imagine like playing the role and you play her so beautifully with such a heart. Thank you. You've given us hope.

Like Charlotte has always had hope, the eternal optimist. So true. And I feel like she got knocked down, she got back up and she believed she would meet her husband and she believed she would have her children. True. It didn't look the way she thought, you know. I think, you know, for people, for myself, that watch it, it's

really that sense of hope that was so beautiful and poignant to watch. And to see you have loss and pain and get back up and was really, yeah, I think. Can I ask you? Yeah. Are you a Charlotte? Am I a Charlotte? I'm going to say yes, but it has changed for me. I think back in the day, you know, when we first met Charlotte, I felt like I was a Charlotte because I kind of modeled myself along being a bit of a

rule follower, having a protocol with dating and men and being a lady. And that was always very important to me and being buttoned up and having boundaries. And I think now I'm a Charlotte in the way that, you know, we've got to know Charlotte in what I just sort of referenced her eternal optimism and not losing hope. And also something really important that you portrayed in your storyline, at least for me, was that happiness doesn't have to be what you think it's going to look like. We imagine it's going to be a certain guy, or you're going to have kids a certain way in that, and you check off all those things.

And what was amazing, and I've had this in my own life, is sometimes the guy is right in front of you. You don't realize it's going, someone you look, this abstract idea of a Wall Street guy or a Trey, having biological, you got your Harry, you got your babies, doesn't look the way you, you know, Charlotte. And I think that is a really nice thing to remember that sometimes they'll happen in a way that's unexpected and to stay open hearted, you know?

And I think that's what I want to maintain as the Charlotte in me now, like not losing hope. I'm going to get that role. I'm going to meet that guy. It's all going to work out. And it does, you know, it all, you know, in life, you know, it's ups and downs and, you know, you can have many happy endings and happy, you know, episodes, you know, chapters in your life.

So it was a very long-winded way of saying, I'm a Charlotte. I love it. I'm all the Charlottes. That was a good deep way, because you're right, we have known her a long time, and it means different things at different times, right? And that's what's great about playing a character for so long, obviously, but also like,

in something where people can relate. And that's kind of why I wanted to do this podcast, is to be able to, like, I love to hear the fan stories, you know, when I'm out in the world, and they always have something really interesting that they can pull from it, and, you know, maybe, you know, obviously every character has something super important to pull from.

It's not like Charlotte is different or special or whatever. I just happen to play her, you know what I mean? So, but like for me, I'm Charlotte part Carrie, you know, because I feel like Carrie's always kind of searching and digging and who am I, how do I fit into this scenario, or who do I want to be in this scenario? And I'm more of that in certain ways in my real life than I am of a Charlotte where she had so many goals.

She really did have these goals. And I think that also is why she fell down a lot, because the goals were so specific, right? But then she was able to learn from them, to learn from the things that didn't go how she expected, to be more open to the other things that might have been there all along, which I think is so important. I mean, I have to tell myself this too, you know?

Ongoingly, you learn from them. It never ends, really. It never ends. But it's so interesting to think about. The purity, though, of you and that character was like we root for all of you, you know, to get what you want. But you had such a pure heart, you know, and when you got hurt, we all felt hurt for you. Thank you. And that's made the triumphs so much more sweeter. Good. Yeah, when I watched that pilot last night, oh my God, I was like, how crazy. I'm like a little child.

We're baby faces. That's what I'm like. We've got little babies. And as I said earlier, I'm like a puppy. I'm like a baby puppy. Love me, love me. Right? Right? Yeah.

This is what I was thinking. I was like, my God, I'm glad it worked out. Like, yeah. For me and for her. Yes. You know what I mean? Yes. I was like, wow. The 90s in New York, it was a different time.

Didn't it look so different in the pilot? It looked so different. Didn't it look like the 70s? Yes. I was like, I mean, I was there, I would go to visit. My parents would take me to, like I saw Sarah and Annie when we were all 12 or whatever we were. Oh, wonderful circle.

I didn't know her, you know what I mean? But I saw her. And I mean, I remember Times Square in the 70s was like, what on earth? No, you would never go there. Right, no. And in the 90s, you wouldn't have gone there. Now it's like Disneyland. Right?

And also like the village, like at the end, I mean, I don't know where we actually shot that final scene with she and Vague. So great, obviously. But like when she gets out of the car, I'm like, where is she? Because that doesn't look anything like the village right now. It's unrecognizable. Like literally, you would have to go, I don't know, 30 miles outside of New York to find that. Yeah. Yeah. Warehousey looking thing going on in the dark. I don't know what's happening. There's no light. There's no dark, there's no street restaurants. That doesn't exist anymore.

You know what I'm trying to say? Outdoor dining. Like it's just night and day, but that is kind of what you love about the cities that is always evolving. It's evolving, but I think it was like a time capsule, you know, the pilot. Oh, big time.

Of what New York was like and how it looked and what it was like to be young, you know? I know, we weren't even that young. And we, you know what I mean? That's what's funny. We were very young, what you know? I know, we weren't even that young. You know what I mean? That's what's funny. We were very young. What do you say? No, we weren't. I wasn't. I seem like I am. I was like 30-something, 35? I think I was in my 20s.

Were you? Late 20s. Oh, how adorable. I don't even know how old you are. We were older because I remember the thing I remember about... You were supposed to be in your early 30s, right? Exactly, and we all were. And that was a big thing because remember, I don't remember about... Well, you were supposed to be in your early 30s, right? Exactly, and we all were. And that was a big thing, because remember,

I don't know if you went through this, but when I was first auditioning, whatever the part said, you said you were that age. You did not say you were your real age. If it was older, you said you were older. If it was younger, you were 22, whatever it was. You were like, yes, I'm 22. You know what I mean?

And then the freedom of playing a woman in her 30s. We were like, what? Unheard of. But this is also when you thought your career was over at 40. Yes. Like we really did not ever perceive that we would have bigger success. Right. Yes.

It was crazy. The longevity. Imagine. Yes. Right? Thank God. And it's so nice for other, for actors to see that, for, you know, actresses. And the world is different now. And the world is, to see that, for, you know, actresses.

And the world is different now. And the world is, and our stories are interesting, you know. Well, that's why we wanted to do it just like that. We were like, why, why would our stories be over? Right. They're not over. They're richer. Right?

Yeah. And just as interesting. And I can't wait for the next season. Oh, it's a, it's a good one. It's a big one. It's a, ooh, look at the eyebrows. I know. It's a lot. We just finished. I'm still recovering. Yeah I'm so intense. It is intense, but we're just so lucky to still be doing it

I you are and I'm so and you can tell that you really it's genuine you feel lucky Oh, we're in we're heard of I know really to have to be able to you know Lucky stay with these characters and evolve with them and keep telling the stories and it's really to have, to be able to, you know, stay with these characters and evolve with them and keep telling the stories. And it's so generous to the audience and to the, you know, lovers. Oh, it's generous to us, like the support, you know? For not the audience, we wouldn't be able to do it.

Right, that's so true. You know what I mean? It's a cycle, it's a circuit, you know? It's important. But it's also funny because when I watched yours, I was like, we don't even know what happened to her. Right. I need to know what happened to her.

Is she okay? We do. Okay. I think there's a whole episode that we could go back. Stick with me here. Okay. And just see the trajectory that was Elizabeth. Maybe she won a Pulitzer or something.

I don't know, she was a journalist. I love it. Maybe she won a Pulitzer or something. I don't know, she was a journalist. I love it. Maybe she does a cover story on... Carrie. Charlotte, Carrie, you know, the whole bit. Yeah. You know, like whatever happened to her? I like this, I like this.

Yeah, she's on the cover of Forbes, something, you know. Yes. But it was just such a, and you know, it's interesting. I had friends that didn't even know I had done Sex and the City. And then I think the pandemic, when the series came back, people wanted to go back to the beginning. Right. So I had so many people at one point saying, you're on Sex in the City.

You're on Sex in the City. As a little baby. I'm watching, yeah. A friend of mine just texted me from an airplane. I'm like, look, the lady in front of me is watching you on Sex in the City. Wow. Yeah. I love it. So it kind of look, the lady in front of me is watching you on Sex and the City. Wow. Yeah. I love it.

So it kind of is, it's given me a boost, you know. I'm glad, I'm glad. And I was only in, you know, a little bit of the pilot. But you're so good, you're so good. Oh, well who knew? It's a nice, it's like not complete, but it's like a really, like you get the story. Like, you know what I'm saying?

Like we don't even really follow the rest of us that much. Right, it's the premise of the show though. It's really set up, like what can happen when this wide-eyed person comes to you. I was that wide-eyed person coming from Australia. Oh, that's another thing, the accent was dodgy as hell. Because no one asked me if I was really British, like you said, with the auditions.

If you're 33, you're 33, if you're 24, you're 24. Are you British? Yeah. Hell yeah. And no one at that point said anything about my, you know. It's okay. We were paying attention to so many other things. But I need to go like, there's one word where I'm like,

wait what? But that's okay. You know what I mean? Yeah, like, you know, British or Australian. I was foreign. Yeah, you were foreign. And this is before a whole lot of Australians came. You were foreign. I was foreign. Yeah, you were foreign. I was foreign.

And this is before a whole lot of Australians came. You were gorgeous and glamorous with your Louis Vuitton cases. Oh my God, and my hat. And your yellow cap and your hat on your head. And my checkered cap. It's just amazing. I know. It's so amazing.

What a beginning. What a beginning. Yeah. I started to live a double life when I was a teenager. Responsible and driven, and wild and out of control. My head is pounding. I'm confused. I don't know why I'm in jail.

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One of the really important things that happened to me in my relationship with photography and the images was that I would have people write to me, people that couldn't financially afford to travel the world or go anywhere, couldn't or were disabled and couldn't travel the world or go anywhere. And what they had all said to me is that, you bring these stories to us. You bring the truth, you bring life to us of cultures that we would never necessarily know anything about. Photography really does allow me to do that. Have empathy for people on the other side of the world

that you'll never, ever meet, but you'll at least have some understanding of what their life is and what they went through, or are still going through. Listen to the new season of Here's the Thing on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Well, the thing that I think is interesting is like there's two main points, right? Yeah. So one is the ghosting, which we don't call it, obviously, the ghosting, because we don't

have that word yet. But the other, which I remember more so personally as being the super fascinating part, is can women go around and casually have sex like a man and not have emotions. And that's what we debate at the one scene we all have together at Miranda's birthday. And I'm, Charlotte's like, what about romance? You know, and they're all like, pfft. You know, and you know, Samantha's very powerful about it all. And then Carrie goes and tries to do research with the Bill Sage character.

He's so beautiful. Oh my Jesus, God. I know, I know. And I remember having a little Bill Sage crush. We would run into him and I'd be like, oh, that Bill Sage is here. So I'd, I don't know, not know, and I remember having a little like Bill Sage crush, we would run into him and I'd be like, oh, that Bill Sage is here. So I don't know, not my type, but I don't know. He didn't seem to, you know what I'm saying,

he was like quite fabulous. Stunning, stunning. And she goes, Sarah goes up, you know, she's got her eyes, cause she's got her brown hair, and she's like, you know, how about, you know, your place? And he's like three o'clock and she's like, mm-hmm. I'm just like, whoa, she's like incredible. And then she goes and they're in bed

and it shows her enjoying it. And then he comes up from the covers and there's some stain on the sheet, which I'm just like, what on earth? Okay, it's probably makeup. I don't know what's going on. Everything's like kind of messy in the pilot, as you know. And then he's like, what about my turn?

And she's like, nope, sorry, gotta go. And like, oh my God, it's incredible. Like you don't see this on television now. No, no, no, no, no, no to be seen and it needed to happen. And the fact that that was the show that did it. Yes, remarkable. I know. But also like think about it now. I do feel I was saying earlier, I do feel like in terms of women, like we are, we do have this ability to be casual and have hookups and whatever, in more of an equal manner to men than back then. Right. But I still don't know, you know, can women have sex without feeling? I don't know. I can't. Me neither.

I mean, I'm not, I just, my feelings, I are in everything. Me too. So I don't even know that I want to have sex like a man. Like I'm quite happy having sex like a woman. That's a good point. And like- Sometimes I would like to. Because I, well, but if you're not feeling it, then you still wanna feel it, right?

Yes, yes. And if you're gonna feel it, you've gotta. But do you wanna feel it in a way where when you're gone, you're upset. I don't wanna cry when it's over. And I think just, and also being open, I think just being a creative person, you have to be open-hearted all the time,

so it's feelings, it's... Valid point. ...feelings, you know, it's hard to sort of leave feelings behind. But yeah, it's interesting, you know, to have sex like a man. And I love that she did that. I thought it was so empowering and so awesome. I agree. It was great. But yeah, it's interesting.

It's so interesting that, yeah, like you said, not even now are people really doing that or feeling bold enough to behave so cavalier with men and sex and... I mean, I feel like there might be, because of the apps and everything, like the dating apps, like Hinge or whatever. You can be more anonymous.

Isn't that the one? Right. I don't know. Right. Never been on them. I have been on and off them. Oh, really? I kind of go on them and then it's like, oh my god, I can't do it. You swipe at all this stuff. I'm waiting for someone to like meet me on my sofa at home. Like just walk in the door and we're just not gonna happen. I was gonna say that. That's bold Sarah.

I don't know if that's going to happen. I'm not good at dating. Me neither. I'm really bad at dating. But I don't go to bars. I don't go out. Who does? I mean, I don't think at dating. I'm just not. Me neither. I'm really bad at dating. But I don't go to bars. I don't go out. Who does? I mean, I don't think that's where people meet people. Is it? Anyone? I mean, I guess I'm on the train sometimes, but like I don't look up.

I'm just hoping like one of my friends will just introduce me to a great guy. That's a nice way to go. But also like I live with three great men as it is. Oh wow. And then, I feel like there my love's- That's a lot. Not that I'm not still looking for someone.

Oh my gosh, wow, wow, wow. But it's just like I feel very fulfilled, you know. Which is great. Yeah, right. I think we should do some kind of a poll with everyone we have on of all ages to find out, and maybe in our socials someone can tell us, like, are these younger women who've come up with the age of, like, apps and social media and whatnot, are they able to go have casual sex if they want to?

What's it like? If they want to and what's it like? Yes. We need to know. I would love that because that's just not how I grew up. You just would not. I know. It's kind of hard for us to change, right?

It wasn't, you know, It wasn't feminine, you know? But why do we? But why? That's not fair. Yeah, no, it's so misogynistic to even think that. Right? And I'm a woman. This is what we were ingrained with. Yeah, and to be, you didn't want to be aggressive.

You know, it's like you just, you want to be asked out. You don't want to be the one. Boo, boo, boo. Yeah, boo, boo. Like I, like it's okay to ask asked out. You don't want to be the one. Boo, boo. Like, it's okay to ask someone out. Or say, hey, I like you. Definitely. I remember the first time I told a man I liked him

before he said he liked me. Was he shocked? No, he's like, I like you too. Aw. You know? And then we kissed, that was nice. But I felt like this was just like the old Sarah would never have done that.

I would have waited for him to call and say. I know, the things we go through, my gosh. Like you see Demure and you can still maintain a femininity. Oh my God. Oh my God. Wow. Wow. I'm impressed.

I'm way impressed. You're the perfect first guest. Thank you. Oh my gosh. You're more Charlotte than me, I think. I started to live a double life when I was a teenager. Responsible and driven, and wild and out of control. My head is pounding. I'm confused. I don't know why I'm in jail. It's hard to understand what hope is when you're trapped in a cycle of addiction. Addiction took me to the darkest places.

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Listen to Krems as part of the Michael Loura Podcast Network, available on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, this is Ruthie Rogers, host of Ruthie's Table Four. This week, my guest is Zoe Saldana, and what a woman she is. I come from a family, and I do know this, that it's a cultural thing. We dance. If you failed a test, we danced. If you passed it, you know what I mean? You just dance and you dance merengue and you dance salsa and everybody sits in someone's back yard. Listen on the iHeart radio app, Apple or wherever you find your podcasts.

Hey, it's Alec Baldwin. This season on my podcast, Here's the Thing, I speak with musician, photographer, and philanthropist, Julian Lennon. One of the really important things that happened to me in my relationship with photography and the images was that I would have people write to me, people that couldn't financially afford to travel the world or go anywhere, couldn't or were disabled and couldn't travel the world or go anywhere. And what they had all said to me is that you bring these stories to us, you bring the truth, you bring life to us of cultures that we would never necessarily know anything about.

Photography really does allow me to do that. Have empathy for people on the other side of the world that you'll never ever meet, but you'll at least have some understanding of what their life is and what they went through, or are still going through. Listen to the new season of Here's the Thing on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm so sick of hearing men talk about women's basketball.

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because, you know, the men in the pilot, like she does say that great line where they show all the people walking down the street and she says like, you know, these women pay taxes and they wear strappy minolos and yet they are alone. There's like a little beep before she goes alone. And then, you know, every man who talks to the camera, first of all, they're horrific. Second of all, they say toxic bachelor, toxic bachelor. Literally in, yes, print. Yes, and it's true for sure.

And they manage to fail up. Yes. Like, why are we struggling? And there's a lot of, you know, chat about how, you know, things have become more equal and think, you know, a lot of... Have they? I don't know. I really feel like, you know, the cream of the crop of women are out there in a single and these men, I dated a man, well, we went out twice,

who ate baby food. Like what? And I went out on a second and third date with him. He ate baby food. Why? I don't know. Was he trying to diet? I don't think so, but trying to diet? I don't think so.

But he took me to really good restaurants and would order boiled rice, and he had like a container of applesauce in, yeah. Yeah. I went out with a man once. What is that? And rice, like boiled rice. Can I tell you what, this guy, also an actor,

he would, I would order regular food and he would order like vegetables or whatever with like steamed vegetables, like kind of like you would think an actress, I know. And then I would order regular food and he would order like vegetables or whatever with like steamed vegetables, like kind of like you would think an actress, I know. And then I would order regular food and he'd be like, let me smell it. So we would like, oh God. And I'd be like, oh, that's so weird. I know. He'd be like, oh, I feel better now.

I smell it. Smelled it. I'd be like, all right. What? You had to stop dating actors. I know. When whoever says, I know. Stop giving them money.

I love us. But that is so bizarre. I know. I know. I know sorry, I love us, but that is so bizarre. I know, I know, I know. Yeah, don't get me started on my taste. But I want to hear, so wait, what happened, did you ask the man why he was eating baby food? He said he's not, he said he had simple tastes. He said he has a simple, like, you know, he's not into like really complicated food. I'm like, that is not someone that eats like, you could eat uncomplicated, but still order off the menu. It was so weird. Yeah.

I hope he gets that if he's on the- Boiled rice, mashed potatoes, and the little thing of applesauce. Like, and I thought, God, does he have like a mummy fantasy? Does he want me to like give him a bottle later? Like before bed? It didn't get that far. I'm glad. But what, these are the guys.

I also met, I had another blind date. We were set up by a mutual friend too. We had a really nice dinner in New York City. But I sat down, tall, handsome, gorgeous. Good family I'd heard from. I Googled him and we sat down, hadn't even ordered cocktails. And he was like, wait there.

Like I was gonna go anywhere. He goes back to the kitchen, basically. Past the bar area, all the diners, into the kitchen, comes back a few minutes later with a guitar. Sits down and starts singing. The whole restaurant stops and looks, and people have their phones and their film. Because I guess they figure he's about to propose or something.

He started singing Kiss the Girl from A Little Mermaid in the Jamaican accent. And I remember my face was so frozen in a smile that it started to hurt. And I remember thinking he kept singing and he kept singing and it started to hurt. And I remember thinking, he kept singing and he kept singing and I wanted to die. I wanted someone- Is he trying to impress you? I think he was trying to impress me. Oh my God.

I wanted someone to have a heart attack so we could like talk about that instead. I wanted like, that'd be a crash on Madison Avenue, like a car crash so we could go, oh my God, there's a car crash. And he would put his guitar down. That is really embarrassing. And you know what else is embarrassing?

I went out on a second date with him. You did? Because I thought, you know what? Is there something wrong with me? I polled my friends. I was like, is there something wrong with me that doesn't every woman wanna be serenaded? Right?

I'm sure that's what he thought. And they were like, no, no, because you didn't put that out there. Did you tell him your dream is to be serenaded? I'm like, no. You didn't even know him. I didn't know him. That's strange.

I wanted to die. I'm sorry if you're listening. And it takes a lot to embarrass me, like, you know, just as an actor. I was dying in all not the good ways. And he was so pleased with this. He said, can you believe I did that? And I was like, no, I really can't. This is my theory, Sarah, on this.

OK, because this is a very unusual story. I think he had seen you on 24 and or Sex and City, and he was like, I'm going out with this glamorous, beautiful actress. What's in a musical? Exactly, I'm going to knock her socks off. I'm gonna surprise her. I'm gonna go big, like a big gesture, you know what I mean?

Which you should wait maybe later in the relationship for. Figure out what I'm into. I feel like it came from a good place. Oh, it so did. But it's so strange that he would pick like a kids song also. Yeah, and sing the entire, the entire song. It's a broad swing, okay? It sure was. It's a really big swing. Wow. But I think I agree with you. I think like he came from all the right places. It just, it was a lot. And that's why I went out with him you. I think like he came from all the right places. It just it was it was a lot. And that's why I went out. That's why I went out with him again. And he ultimately, you know, we went to find someone.

We went for each other. I think he I think he might have found some. I hope so. Yes. And she loves being sang to. Yes. They can go to Disneyland. They can go on the ride. Yes. Yes. You know what I mean? The Little Mermaid ride. My kids love it.

Yes. Frozen. all of them. Totally, wow, that's a good one. I know. Wow, so in general, this is my question when I was watching the pilot, do we feel like it's different than it was in the pilot? Because here she is saying, there are all these incredible, successful women

in Manhattan, but also in the world, and where are all the great guys? Yeah. Do we feel like that's different? God, I'd love to say it's different. I think there are so many. I mean, I'm a woman, so obviously I can only speak to the, you know, female perspective on things. And I'm middle age, like I'm not a young person dating in the city.

So I have no idea what that is like. But I think the playing field has evened out a little. Okay, this is good news. We don't put up with that kind of false banning more. Yes, that's right, that's right. And we pick, we're smarter. We can pick toxicity. We know what ghosting is. We know what

Being rear windowed. What is it? I don't know. No white light black light. What gas light gas light. Okay. Rear windowed. Yeah. I know you don't want to be rear windowed. No, I don't. No, I don't think I do. I don't think I do. It was a Hitchcock movie. Totally. No, I know what you're saying. There's more. We can exchange information. Yes. And look out for each other. And social media. You know, you can bring things back to the girlfriend. Oh, I saw him. I saw him out at that other place. Right. You know, on Snap. And there's the Snap map. And I'm learning this from my kids. What? You can see someone's location on the snap. Yeah.

What the heck? In real time? Yeah, in real time. So it's like, oh, she's not at the movies with her friends. She's at the mall with someone else. Yeah. Well, I didn't know this. Yeah.

But I do think, so I think we're smarter. So there's tools. But I do think with that comes like a sense of, like we're harder, you know? Like it's- You mean like harder exterior. Just like, I harder, you know? Like it's- You mean like harder exterior? Just like, I think, you know, when you're expecting someone to mess up

or not be truthful or to gaslight you or to not be honest, you're kind of guarded and you should be guarded. But I think it's also important to keep that part that's soft, that we'll find love. Definitely. That we'll be open. And not everyone's perfect. And not everyone's going to fuck up.

And everyone's going to like maybe tell a white lie, maybe, you know, or try and protect themselves in the beginning. And we all want to put our best face forward. I think that's what I used to do. I used to sort of, you know, want people to think I was perfect. And this is me. Now I just put it out there right away. So does Charlotte.

Now I'm just like, look, I have three kids. My life is messy, you know? That's great. Yes, just be who you are. Yeah. Totally. But I didn't even know if I wanna live with someone anymore. But if you wanna like, you know,

have two different places, that would be good. But let's not just have two different sinks. Do you remember the part of the pilot where someone, I think it must be Carrie, says, wait, maybe it, I don't know who it is, but someone says that we're self-selecting down to a smaller and smaller group. Yes. I was like, oh yes.

That's clever. Oh my God. Yeah, we are. Me? No. Well, cool. It's something like that. That's a great line.

And I was like, that is so true. Yeah. There's just so many things that are still so true. Yeah. That's a great line. And I was like, that is so true. There's just so many things that are still so true. I can't believe it. It's okay to have your people, your circle. Well, I think it's okay, but it's also like you're saying, if you're not open to being surprised, then you're probably not going to be surprised

because you're not open to it. So there's that. Yes. So you have to find a balance, I guess. Right. But I think the question, and I don't know the answer, definitely. The question is, are there great guys out there? And I mean, there must be.

But like my feeling is they're all in relationships. They're all in relationships. There are plenty of great guys out there. They're just not single. Right. And you know, right, right. And you know, timing is everything. And you know, oftentimes I'll meet someone and then I'd like, do I really wanna be in a relationship?

It's very time consuming. Oh my God. Sharing a life with somebody. I am with you. And I kind of want like a sometime roommate sometimes. But then I guess that makes me sound casual and I'm not. Right, this is the spectrum. Or that like, can you have sex like a man?

Right, right. I guess I just want the cuddle. I kind of like, you know, the cuddle, the, you know, someone to put there. I flew out here from New York and I was, you know, waiting to get on my plane and I saw this couple and he was taller than her and she literally just, just kind of rested her head

on his shoulder and like held onto his arm. And I kind of took my breath away because it was like, that's what I miss. That's what I like. Not the fireworks, fancy stuff, the movie stuff. It's that like being able to lean on someone while you're in line to do something really basic and boring.

Yeah, don't make me cry. Yeah, no, that's very profound, really, it's very profound. That's intimacy at a really beautiful level. Yes, I agree, I agree, yes. I mean, so, well, let's just end that there's hope. There is hope. Yeah, do you think? Yes, they're absolute, I just got goosebumps.

And Charlotte, and your portrayal of her, so pure and so- Thank you. Thank you, I'm lucky to play her. So wonderful for us all to watch. Thank you, I'm lucky to play her. So wonderful for babe. For us all to watch. Thank you. I'm just lucky I still get to do it. Yeah, we get to watch it.

You know, I know it's super, super. Mind blowing to think of the pilot being all that time ago. I can't even really say the number out loud, because I don't really know. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, more than 25 years. That's what I know. Because we had like a celebration that it was 25 years and that was like two years ago. So I guess it's like 27 years ago. That's a quarter of a century. Like what? How could that be true? And like so much has happened to the character. And also, you know, in the world, right? And the cast, like marriages and children. Oh my God, we have lived life.

We have lived life. And loss and death. I don't know, we've already cried. Yeah, okay. Yes, yes, life is intense. It's intense. I know, but we've been on the wildest, wildest ride. You know?

We've been all over the world. Oh, I don't think we wanna get off if they'll let us continue, which I don't know. But you know, I mean, we love what we do so much, so much. And we're so lucky. And it's so, I'm so grateful, you know, for all of it, for every phase and everyone who has allowed us to find ourselves, you know, because if you think about how the show has changed, and then beginning to do the movies, and then getting to do the new show.

Like, we have had this... Every single time we have to prove ourselves again, like, it seems from the outside, like, it must be easy. No. No. We had to go pitch and just like that. It gets harder, I'm sure, every time, with every movie. Right, right, right. Because also, there's the previous thing that they want to live up to,

but then you also have to let go of that in a certain way because life changes and people change and the stories evolve and it's all very fascinating, but I'm just very, very grateful for all of it. It's incredible, it's magic. You guys have captured magic. Well, thank you for your part, Nance. Aw, well.

You started us off with a bang. Thank you for remembering me. Of course, how could I forget? Like I said, I want to know what happens to her, Elizabeth. Well, maybe in the next... I know, does she still have the luggage? Who knows? Does she still have the luggage?

The mountain of luggage. You could have started your company with that money. Yes, yes, yes. That was some money in that cab. That's full circle. I was like... There you go. And the hat box.

All of it. I know. And is that Sarah Jessica's? Because like, how could we have afforded that? Yeah. You know what? That's a good trivia question. I mean, she has it.

She has it. Of course she does. And she'd have the hat box. Oh, she loves the hat box. Pat made me carry a hat box all over Morocco. Isn't that funny? Yes, it was awkward. It was awkward.

I was like, these things are not easy to carry, Pat. But Charlotte wears hats. And I had a massive hat. Michael Patrick hates hats. Well, your skin is so beautiful. Ah, you're so kind. Sorry, that was very loud. Oh, we put a lot of sunscreen on, too.

But yes, you know, yes, I guess the hats help. The hats help. But yeah, hat boxes are kind of a special Sex and the City thing. And a very, I know, a very vintage callback, throwback, old Hollywood. I do love them too, but I mean, who can carry a hat box? I remember wanting to have one in high school, and I think I ended up getting like a cardboard one. How adorable.

To think that that was how I was going to travel. Totally. I didn't have any hats. Listen, I've got the Louis Vuitton makeup case and I did one time. It's sitting on the top of your pile in the back of the cabinet. I was like, oh my God. One time I was working in South Africa and I wanted my character to have it, but I had to bring it because they definitely couldn't afford it.

And I had adopted my son, who's my youngest child, and he was six months old, and I was taking him to South Africa with me to do this movie with a baby nurse. And in the Louis Vuitton, I packed his formula bottles. Oh, I hope you got a picture of that. I did not, because you don't think that you're just so stressed. You're like, oh my God, what do I have to take for this really long travel?

Traveling with a six-month-old. He did so great. I had bought like, this is, we're so off topic, but I had bought Starbucks card for everybody because we were in the first class lounge, the first class cabin of Emirates. I was like, these people are going to be so upset with me because I have this tiny baby.

I'm not gonna be mad. Well, my baby nurse did. So we bought Starbucks card for everyone. He did not make a peep, but I handed them out anyway Yeah, but I mean he was like a little angel a little angel. The planes actually I took my son To go further off topic when he was three months old to Australia and that was a long Yeah, and I remember everyone looked at me in I was in business class And he had a little crib right woman and the woman sitting next to me, I just sat down,

I'm like, sorry. She's like, I'm a NICU nurse. And I was like, oh my God. And I was like nursing and stuff, because I was thinking, what if I sit next to a guy? And that's a long time to, you know, he slept the entire flight. Because she was like, I'll hold him, whatever you need.

She didn't even need to hold him. That's when you need to fly. If anyone's watching this or listening or whatever who has a baby, fly with them when they're tiny. Three to six months. You think you shouldn't, but it's not so bad. Then it's done. No, no, no. Then you need more than a start. You need a gift card to Tiffany's or some such, you know, for everybody. Yeah, totally, totally, totally. Anyway, we have definitely gone off. Yeah. Yeah. But it was really fun. You're so fun to talk to.

Oh, I love you. You're amazing. Thank you for coming on. It's just like, I love this. It's just, are you watching going episode by episode? I'm going to. Is that how you're going to, like, you'll cover the recaps? Well, that's how we're going to cover the themes, right?

And I mean, we're recapping, but not in the way, like, some people recap and talk about, like, lines and scenes and whatever. And I'm like, oh, my god, I don't even know if I can do that. But just to watch the pilot, because I haven't watched it in at least 20 years, I mean, a very long time, right?

You're reminded of so much. So it's like, I want to tell people about what it was like to be there, what I remember. Different things stick out, obviously, and then some things you're like, I don't even remember that. You know what I mean? It's just behind the scenes, but also the thing that I love the most about it

is that the themes that we talked about then are still so relevant. It's still so interesting. And that's why I like to hold them up now and say, is this still true? Is this not still true? It's super interesting. And I'm sure each guest will have their own point of view.

It's fascinating. And we still don't know. We're still asking the questions. Which keeps us curious, which keeps things interesting. Which is a great, that's a great, and that's what I think Carrie embodies, right? She's always like, what if, or what's her thing? She, I wonder if, or, you know, like that, these are good questions to be asked. Curiosity is something so lacking.

People are really good at talking and they're not good at listening. And I think when you're curious, you inherently wanna listen. And not everyone can host a podcast. So you obviously, you're a really good listener. Why you're my first guest, we'll find out. That's my, of all the podcasts I've been on. No, you're great. You're gonna be great. Thank you darling.

Thank you for being here. Oh my God. Thank you for being my first guest. Your first Charlotte. My first Charlotte and she was in fact a Charlotte. I'm in fact a Charlotte, all the Charlottes. Possibly more than me, which is quite amazing. Yeah well you know I was inspired. Ah so we hope you guys will be back next week.

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