Are You A Charlotte? - We may not understand Severance, but Adam Scott KNOWS Sex and the City!

Episode Date: October 20, 2025

Emmy nominated Severance star, Adam Scott, joins Kristin and brings a perspective we all need to hear.Adam is a self proclaimed Sex and the City super fan who has watched the series multiple times, including a recent binge-watch. Adam describes one of his favorite Big/Carrie moments and why Trey was necessary for Charlotte.  He shares a deep insight into Charlotte and why he feels all the characters are his personal safety net.Plus, Kristin and Adam reveal their “Six Degrees” connection.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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because there's also the weird YouTube of it all now oh right that you guys we do we do yeah do you guys no because we don't film it really interesting when I first came to IHeart they didn't film it but I listened to the town and on the town they said that video is

the new audio. It sure is. So I was like, oh, shit. It really is. Gotta catch up. I know. We just didn't. You know what?

We put ours together in such a hurry. Oh. Because we were, it was like the show was coming out in January. And I guess it was around November. Ben and I in particular were worried about the people who watched season one coming back. Because it had been three years. Oh, my God. Three whole years.

Three years, three calendar years. And also it's so dense in plot. Yes. So we didn't know if people would watch. All we wanted was those who saw the first season to come back. And so my wife, Naomi, was like, you guys should do a podcast. Yes. And so we did like a recap podcast of the first season and then did it for season two.

So it was kind of in a hurry. So we, as far as video and stuff, we just didn't have the wherewith all. time. Well, it doesn't seem in a hurry. It seems very organized. Oh, thanks. Well, that's because Naomi was producing it. And also, um, Pineapple Studios is so great and they made it too. Got it. Got it. Well, I love it. Because I also love the show, Severance, obviously. But also, I really, really love Parks and Rec. Oh, thanks. So when you're on Amy's podcast, I was like, I don't know. That's where I talked about Sex and the City. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Which really made my day. I was so excited. And it was so funny.

great when you reached out after that. It was a big deal. I'm so glad. It's adorable. I mean, also it was so funny because, you know, she does that thing

where at the end of her podcast, she says, what's making you laugh these days? And you said sex in the city. And she was like, really? Yeah. It was like Amy.

Yeah. It's not that crazy, you know. Maybe, maybe, yeah, I think it, I think I also presented it as a thing like,

I'm not going to, I, because usually you talk about something that's like on right now. Yeah. And sex in the city is something. that I watched while it was on. Okay.

I rewatched it again during the pandemic. Wow. And then when we recorded the podcast, I was in the midst of another rewatch. An Ireland or River when you were away? Yeah. Got it. And so it's just a show that I don't know. That's amazing.

Yeah. Okay. I totally do. It's so important. And I think the importance of it really hit me. the second time I the second time I watched it through during the pandemic

I started it when I had COVID pre-vaccine, right? Oh, whoa. So we were shooting the show and I had to shut down because I had it. Oh, no. And it was pre-vaccine.

If you got COVID, it was hardcore, man. Like, you're down for two weeks and you're very sick. Yeah. And you're by yourself because no one. And I was out in New York by myself anyway.

Right. So anyway, Sex in the City was like the thing that I really connected to. And, you know, when you're watching a show on a loop and you have a fever, you're like, these people are here for me. And so I had this real connection to it. Oh, I love it. And had watched it while it was on.

But at this time, I was really zeroing in on it for how excellent it was. And as a show, just really breaking the form and doing something new with it. And these characters are just so fascinating. But then the next time I went through it this year, I think I was really zeroing in on how important the show is. I mean, really, and also being the father of a teenage daughter and something like this being out in the world there for her whenever she wants it is really comforting. I was wondering, like, has she watched?

Yes. Okay. And how old is she? She's watching it right now, 17. Got it. Oh, that's good. I have a 14-year-old. girl. Okay, okay. And I haven't really let her watch it yet. Okay, sure. Though some of her friends have,

right, who are maybe a little bit more, you know, less sheltered or whatever. And also because it's me, it's weird. I would imagine. You know, it's strange. So I can't decide the right, because people keep saying, like, you should just let Gemma watch it. And I mean, kind of I feel like yes, you know, because it is, um, it's got so much stuff in there that is, uh, you're not really going to hear other places and it's done without shame you know the whole idea that's key right yes so i like that and i like her having access in a way where you know the ethos is correct yes you know but also i think it would be great for her to watch it whenever you're ready for her to watch it because charlotte is so complicated thank you and so contradictory

So nice, Adam. Thank you. So true. Definitely, I think. Definitely, I think. In really interesting ways. Thank you. Thank you. I mean, it's really nice that you, especially would feel that way because obviously I admire your work and you've been around a long time and I think you're really smart. But also in general, it's been interesting because it's been almost 30 years that before we, you know, film the pilot. Yeah. There's been so many phases. And for so long, like I would say a good decade, I was the boring one. I was the prude. Yeah, no. But. Right? Right. But it's so interesting to watch, like, first of all, we were allowed to develop over time, which is amazing.

Yes. And rare. Yes. And we had incredible writers that, you know, deepened and deepened and deepened and deepened that we knew so well. Yeah. So they were really, like, bespoke writing, you know, for me. Writing for you. Which is like the greatest gift.

It's the best. An actor could ever have, you know. And that was really great writing. I mean, it's beyond. Like, what I look back. I mean, I knew at the time, we all know at the time, because they were also right there. Like in television, you know, you have the joy of really having a collaborative experience with your writers. But they were always with us.

And Michael Patrick was always available. Like there were a few times early on where, you know, they might go home at 4 a.m. Or whatever it was, do you know? And if a director, you know, didn't get, like, because sometimes it wouldn't really get Charlotte. And they would try to tell me like, you need to do this. I'd be like, no, no, no, you don't understand Charlotte. I'd call Michael up. I'd wake him up.

help help can you call at a certain point you are know the character better than any director right and michael supported that you know so even though we didn't have a producing credit in the beginning at all so jessica did but the rest of us didn't we were very included and respected and collaborated with and all of those things that make for great well that shows right you know this is what you need because it is interesting how like the name of the podcast are you a charlotte or you're a miranda are you that that is a an incredible marketing tool and also shows just how much it was resonating culturally at the time because it really is that I mean you guys were really zeroing in on something that had never been spoken out loud before it's true like truly

I know and and and watching the show thinking about all of this stuff that you guys were doing and saying thinking about those things being said for the first time yeah that really drives home how important the it's true it's true or a lot of it not not you know and also I mean like we were trying to be funny too, right? I know. That's the thing. And that's the thing that was great about it. And I think we knew, like, there was a lot of negative. Like, we had to wait through a lot of negative at the beginning because people were like, who do they think they are? You know, which I think that that we had a new version of that within just like that. Because now we're older, right? So people have a lot of feelings about that. Interesting. About what? It's a different show, which I also

think we knew that we were trying to make a different show, but that's a weird thing to do to take the same characters and make a different show with a different tone and adding new characters. And was it like how dare these women who are in their 50s do and say that interesting? And also we don't, because we weren't obviously still, we had different subject matter that you were dealing with in your 50s, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like death and cancer? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's funny to say it out loud because we were still trying to be funny. So it was a big, it was a big ask, right? And I think we were, I at least was a little naive about, about, about, that like we just thought like yeah let's do it you know because you get a creative idea you get charged up you get excited and we didn't necessarily think about all the people who aren't our age and that they would feel feelings about that you know what I'm saying yeah um but whatever we did it and I stand by it you know what I'm saying because that's what you have to do when you do creative things right right yeah you never know how it's going to be received you have to just do it you can't control it

yeah at all but the thing in the beginning was that like I would say at least the first two years a lot of the, at the time, it was still like, you know, newspapers had like reviewers and they were older white men, right? And they'd be like, who did these women think they are? Sure. You know, and then one was like, I wouldn't date any of these women except for that brown-haired one. Unbelievable. She seems nice.

I mean, like the most insane. Jesus, you know, and then I remember when we did the first film even, I don't know how much I should say, but a big deal reviewer that we would all be looking to, like, what is this newspaper going to say? say, the entire first paragraph was about whether the four of us had Botox or not. Wow. Like what the fuck? Like a big reviewer?

There's a woman. A woman. Jesus. Can you believe? Like, and you're just like, what, what, what, what? Well, I do remember culturally when the first movie came out, everybody being like, this is adorable, they're going to put a sex in the, as if anyone really wants this or needs this.

And then it was huge. Right. Against all odds. I went opening weekend with my wife. You did? Oh, of course. That's adorable. Of course.

That is so sweet. And it was packed at the arc light. Oh, at the arc light. How magical. People having a blast. In their outfits? I'm sure. I'm sure.

I just, I wasn't like taking that in. I understand. But it felt like a cultural moment and was like, holy shit. Yeah, sex in the city. Because it had only been off the air for a few years at that point, right? Well, more.

years than we had planned because we wanted to do it right away. Yeah. And when I had Chris Albrecht on, which was really fun because he was in charge of HBO, original and then HBO. And then he is the one, they kind of had an idea together, Michael Patrick's there, Jessica and he, but it was HBO within the Time Warner umbrella. No one knew who's going to finance it or distribute it. Oh, I see. Right? So he commissioned the script from Michael Patrick. He had all of us on hold. Yeah. And it was part of our bigger contract. You know how as you go along and a show your contract gets more and more complicated. Yes. As they pay you more.

Exactly. As you're trying to get more money, you have to give more things. So we had, that had been part of what we'd had to give to, I'm just going to get specific for everyone. I hope it's okay to get a point. So the rest of us didn't have points. Give an option for a movie. Exactly. Exactly. Which of course I, I mean, I was like, you could pay me nothing and I would do the movie. You know, like my God, of course I'd do the movie. But I'm not going to be stupid either, right? So they were going to pay us what I thought was a fine amount. And they paid us just a little. little bit to hold us, but I still was like, call me when the movie's ready and I'll be there

wherever it is, you know? So it ended up being like three years? So then it didn't, they let the hold expire. Oh, because they couldn't figure out. Fantastic. I mean, yes and no. You know what I'm saying? Well, but you can renegotiate. Yes, yes, yes, it was dicey. Let me put it that way. Okay. It was for me, I'm a good girl. Dice in that this thing might never get made. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes, definitely. And also, like, because I really felt like we should get to do that and how amazing that we would get to make a movie. And this is not normal that a TV show that no one ever thought was going to succeed

like we did about women at the time over 30, which was like, oh, right? We would then get to make a movie. I mean, I was like, this is a blessing and insane, like, amazing situation. Let's just do it for free. You know, that's me. Right. But don't do it for fun.

And I didn't. Obviously, obviously I didn't. And there are people around me to protect me from those impulses. But those also as actors, and I know that you started out doing guest spots and then the Rose Place and we always have this mentality and I still do. Yeah. Which is something that I have to fight against too, which is, yeah, whatever you want. You know, it's hard.

You really, it is something you have to. You have to work hard at because it's not like, and I think it's so different. now the business is so different now and not also changing as we speak right but like you have to think in a different way about like you're a commodity and that's not how we started that's not what we wanted we were never thinking that no right when we started there wasn't social media and that gen x ethos of i the last thing i want to do is appear like i'm selling out or reaching for something totally which i still fight it's hard it is it is hard because you know you You know, even the generation behind us was like, yeah, I don't care if anyone sees me

reaching for something or sees my, or I, up front with ambition. It was, it was sort of a dirty word when we were. Oh, yeah. And it's even more complicated for women, too. 100%. Oh, yeah. If you said ambition. Far more complicated.

Yes. I knew what you meant. Yeah. If you said ambition, I mean, people just like shut down in the weirdest, weirdest way. Yes. But now, I mean, and there's a lot, I have to push through a lot of that, like I have to younger people who help me with my social media. And they're like, we're going to film you in the kitchen.

And part of me is like, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. You're still like, ah. I am. And then you're like, God, I got to, I got to breathe with it. I got to breathe with it. But yeah, it's very, very different. The Big Take podcast from Bloomberg News dives deep into one big global business story every weekday.

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You never know. No. You never know. You never know how something's going to land or if or how something will last to. Right. Right. And over time it changes and shifts, which is so amazing. And I had no idea that you'd watch the show three times.

I thought you were just watching it because you were talking about the freshness of it. Like it was my first time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, but I was rediscovering certain things about it going through the entire thing again. And it's tough to start the show and not work your way through the whole thing. Which is so nice. It is. Yeah.

Especially since the first season and a half just formed. It's just so different. So different. Because you have the talking heads. Yes. People on the street. Yeah. Yes.

And we're breaking the fourth wall, which was very hard to do. But then when you guys found it and settled into what it was. was, then it really, but it still worked in that other form. It was just not, you know, every show has to find itself. Absolutely. Absolutely. But let me just say quickly about severance. I don't want to go down a severance thing because I feel like you just talked about

severance for literally so many months. But like with the lead up to the Emmys, I was like, poor Adam, oh my God. Like you talked to everyone. I know. I was impressed. Okay. I was impressed. And I also just want to say side note that I wasn't watching the Emmys because with my kids and

we don't watch stuff like that. but I had my alerts on because I was really pulling for you. Oh, that's nice. Like, in my mind, you are the winner. I love Noah as well, but I mean... He's great. I mean, he's incredible.

And it's so wonderful to see him back, obviously. But I also really, really wanted you to win. I just want to say that. You know, one of my very first jobs ever was on ER and the first season of ER. I was the first season of VR too. Really? Yes. It was such a big deal. That's crazy.

Who did you play? What did you do? I played some, I had like, three lines. I got in a car accident or something. Me as well. I had a sick child, I want to say, and I went to see Clooney. Oh, my God, there you are. Look, oh, my God.

There I am. You have a whole neck brace on. Yep. Wasn't it fun to be on that set? Yeah, I remember I took the thing out of my nose between takes and forgot to put it in. Oh, no. And they got pissed off that I had forgotten. Oh, no.

Did they do, like, many, many, many takes? I don't remember, but I remember it was a lot of, like, one or, like, It was on me being rolled into the hospital all the way down. Oh, yeah, those were the big takes. Those were the big takes. I went and, like, kind of hung out because I was so into it. And you could feel the energy that it was a hit. Yeah, even right away.

I think when I remember when I did my episode, it was George Clooney was on the cover of TV guide the week I was there. And that was the first time he had been on the cover of it. And everyone was like, holy shit, George is on the cover of TV guide. what the fuck is going on? And so it was right when it was starting to pop. Sorry, what were you saying? My scenes were with George. So, you know, it was really fun.

Yeah. And I had to flirt with him. And my big challenge in my mind was how do I get this guy like off his game? Because he was so like he'd been working for so long and he was so ready and he was so in charge. And they were really little scenes, right? But I was like, I got to get his attention somehow. So I was like mess with his foot like under. the camera lens and you don't know what I mean I was just like what are you doing you already right

didn't get his attention oh yeah and it was fun yes I did yes it's great um and that you know that was when you were a guest star you kind of had to you know be creative right about yeah how to make it work yeah I I that being a guest star is hard very hard particularly when uh it's just hard because you know everyone has a secret handshake and they're all friends and they're all friends and they're retired and and you're particularly when you're starting out and you just want to you're so excited yeah you're so excited you just want to like make a mark somehow and do something special or interesting yeah um yeah they were very nice but i'm glad yeah yeah no was a big thing and i remember one day i went and noah was there and of course he was so young you know when he and george were doing

tricks in the wheelchair like wheelies and whatever and i was like this is a trip and a half and they did like 36 takes of one of those really complicated oner's where literally the entire cast is there crossing through and doing all that super creative stuff, which was really fun to watch and so different. And I feel like sometimes, you know, sometimes it, like, that was a procedural medical show, but yet it broke the mold.

Yeah, you know. It was a brand new thing. It was a brand new vibe and visuals and all of that. And that's partly why it hit in the pit, I think, for Noah. and also I think, like, to see Noah aging and deepening, and it's one of those things where I'm like, see, like, no one complains about that, right? But yet they complain about our faces. Like, it's annoying.

Ridiculous. Right. But, like, no, it's like, it's gorgeous. Yeah. He's very handsome man. He was always so handsome, right? But now he's like a man, like a deepened man. And like the soulness, soulfulness in his just standing there, you know, is so incredible.

But I still wanted you to win. And I was really like, I was like, oh, no, you guys. I said to my kids and they were like, what? And my daughter has not watched Severance, though she knows about it because her friends talk about it. And I talk about it. But I was like, Adam didn't win. But a lot of the other cast won, which was great. Yes, yeah, Britt and Tremel won.

Which is great. I mean, they're incredible. Yes. I do have this weird actor theory. And I don't know if it's already out there. But when I watch the show, the thing that I think about, you know, when you're working, like, first of all, whenever they show that parking lot outside. building it's so sad you know and sometimes when you're shooting on a lot not not warner brothers

or not even this weird uh deserted disney lot but like um you know you go sometimes to some weird places right that are desolate kind of like right and like weird locations yeah weird locations and then when you go in and you go down the elevator and you become your iny i'm like that's like the hair and makeup trailer totally right yeah and then you're like one person during the day meaning your character at work but also you're with a whole bunch of different people but it's very intense. And then some people, not you or I, of course, but some people have affairs on sets.

That's right. And then you have to choose between your Audi life. And the inside world and the inside world. And which one's more powerful? That's what I think about when I watch it. That's so funny. But it leaves out so many levels, of course, the corporate world and, you know, it leaves out a lot.

You know what I loved when I was a kid? I was the one of the, remember when like the Looney Tunes cartoons would have? It was like Bugs Bunny and stuff but then they would also have these like one-offs. Yeah. Like characters.

Like a bottle episode almost. Yeah, yeah. It was like bottle episodes. But there were, or I guess it was a recurring thing every once in a while they would have a two animals. I think it was like,

I don't know, for the sake of argument, a coyote and a rabbit. Right. And they would walk to work together and chit chat. And they were buddies. They would put their lunch in their locker

and they were chit-chatting the whole time. they would punch in and then they would chase each other all day and they were enemies like Yeah, it's just like that pushing, you know, anvils on each other and stuff Oh my God, pictures, amazing. Is that? It's a sheep dog.

And the coyote. And then at the end of the day they would punch out And then they would chit chat and walk home together. Love it. And that was fascinating as a little kid for whatever reason that struck a chord with me

and that's always what I thought about with severance too. It was like this. It's also like acting. It is like acting. You walk, and then you, you know, shoot guns and people pretend. Maybe that's why I liked it so much is because it felt like. Yeah. And I, when I was a little kid, I think I knew that I wanted to be in movies or TV shows or whatever.

And maybe that just kind of fit in that sort of. I think it definitely does. Yeah, yeah, probably. I think it definitely does. And I mean, I know there's a lot more to severance. I don't mean to say. No, no, no. Not at all.

Right. Right. Right. Like that also, that's when you know something works is when you can project your own things on it. But it is. It's like going. and getting into your wardrobe and hair and makeup, and then you're just in this different world for 12 hours.

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Yeah. We had so much fun last season, laughing, crying, talking to some new and old friends. Remember when we were in that scene where you guys were just supposed to hug and I was standing? Oh, yeah. And I was like, can I also hug? I'm like, this has no friends. This time around, we are, say it, Melissa.

Should I? Say it. Getting a little more better. Oh, finally. It's all the dressing room talks we've loved in season one. All the things. Because aren't we all trying to get a little more better?

Listen to more better on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The thing that also makes me think, about it is your hair. Yes. Because when you're in any, that hair is placed very specifically, man. I mean, I'm like, how much work goes into that? A lot. It really makes me laugh. I can see it when I'm watching it. But then you have the contrast of you being your Audi and your hair is all a mess. All over the place. Which is adorable. Yeah, yeah. But also, does Judy Chin do your show? She did in season two. Love Judy Chin so much. She did our show for a very long time. And I want to have

on the podcast, but we can't find her. You should. Judy's the best. Isn't she just the best? And now has an Academy Award sitting at home. Which is incredible. It's incredible. She won it while we were shooting the show.

Amazing. Amazing. She towards the end was flip-flopping Sir Jessica and I because Sir Jessica worked more hours than I did. And she'd already had a child. And also my makeup artist, Nikki Leatherman, had had a child. So everyone was trying to not have to do Sarah all the time. Sure.

Because they were trying to live through, like their family life. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So they'd flip us back. and forth and they're both incredible, but I think what they do is so amazing and it's fun to talk to them. Yeah. Yeah. And Judy, Judy is one of those people who's just like she did a beard on me in season two and beards are hard. It's her specialty. Yeah. She did eyebrows on me when I have to be a man. Oh, I just watched that episode this morning. No way. Oh my God. Yes. With you and Dominic. Donovan, Donovan Leach. Donovan. Yes. I just watched it this one.

That's funny. What'd you think? It's great. It's weird, isn't it? I mean, I just watched it like six months ago or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a weird one. It's funny and weird. And that's, I remember that was a big deal because Alanis Morissette is in that episode. That was everywhere. Can you believe? I know. But that was such a great Charlotte moment too, because Charlotte really is, like I said, she really, she's constantly contradicting herself and breaking that mold that was a, was a, great sort of general tool for the show, but within the kind of guts of the show, she is not that one thing at all. No, I know. And it's constantly surprising herself. Thank God, right? Thank God. That's why she's so fun.

So fun. Like, when people say, like, are you tired of playing the same character for 30 years? I'm like, no. No, it's not. Because she grows and changes. Totally. Like, everyone does. But also when she, I think the relationship with Kyle McLaughlin is where she really,

grows. Like, I feel like she never would have been able to find Harry without the relationship with Kyle McLaughlin. Definitely, definitely, definitely. Like, that is just kind of made her so much stronger and ready to really find the person she loves. Most definitely. And I mean, when I watched this episode that we're going to talk about, because obviously we have other things talk about that are really fun, but we will talk about the episode. When, so would they, Michael Patrick would sit us down, before every season. I don't know if you guys do this, did it on Parks Zone Record,

did it on severance or whatever. I mean, you probably know the plan or whatever. He would sit each of us down alone and say, like, this is what I'm thinking, right? This is your arc, right? These are the big picture things. And, you know, then I knew, so, you know, early on Charlotte's very underwritten

because she wasn't really so much in Candace's book or column. Like she was an amalgam of different people, basically. And Michael Patrick had said to me, when he, I think came on the pod, he said, you know, when I got there, which was in season one, Darren started the show, of course. Then he brought Michael Patrick in. Michael Patrick had been a stand-up, so he knew comedy, which was super helpful.

And he said, I looked at this one, and I knew what you're right. I knew it. This one, and then I looked at you, and I was like, I don't know her. And I was like, I mean, neither did I. We were creating it, right? And I, of course, was doing all the actor work in my head. You know what I'm trying to say? And just trying to make more in myself.

That's so interesting because thinking about the show and watching it from the beginning, it seemed like you knew exactly who that person was. Really? At the start, yeah. Oh, that's nice. I mean, she definitely grew, but it felt very specific from the very start. Good. I tried so hard.

Yeah. I tried so hard. I mean, I think a lot of it, because in the beginning, when you look at it, it's really the four of them together a lot, right? Like, it takes a while for us to have decent storylines outside. So I knew how to be, I knew the note I was supposed to play in the foursome. You know what I'm saying? That was like my, I felt very solid about that, right?

And of course, because they were all so distinct and unique and each actor was so specific and unique. And we were together 24-7, you know, it did a lot of my work for me. But then I was trying to fill out the back, you know, the stuff that we do in acting class, you're saying, I was always trying to do that. But were you also at the time coming from Melrose Place? And I don't, I never was a, I didn't watch Melrose Place, but I would, I would imagine it was, um, it was. uh it was a completely different tone completely different thing so when you started sex in the city were you like uh this is this is you know were you because it must have been just so much the material was so much more interesting yeah and and there was so much more for you to dig into

even though it was kind of a limited real estate at first yeah were you just trying to not uh rock the boat and just figure out, like you said, figure out what notes to play within the foursome. I mean, there was not any not rocking the boat, right? Because like we, at the beginning, we did the whole first 13, well, we did the pilot, then we had to wait like a year. It seemed like forever. Sarah Jessica tells me it wasn't that long, but I felt like it was a year and a half

for them to pick us up because HBO was just starting, right? They didn't really have anything. You know, they'd had Larry Sanders, exactly, which was wonderful, which I got to be on as well, which was great. That's right. Yeah, yeah. I love Larry Sandler. Oh, my God.

It's the best. Right? Gary, it was amazing. So it was more like being, like I, when I read that script, they sent it to me for Carrie because Sarah Jessica was in the mix, then got cold feet. Yeah. And I was, right. I was like, I can't, couldn't possibly.

Because also she was written much more like Candace, the actual person, right? Like she smoked, like nonstop and swore and a little bit more Samantha-ish, I guess. I was like, I can't. I can't pull. that off. You know, I know myself well enough, right? But I said to Darren, who I already knew from Melrose, I said, I could play this other one. I need this other one. And I think part of that was because I come from the South. So I was surrounded by women who were just dying to get married and very conventional and, you know, whatnot, even though I'm not personally so much that.

So I said, I need to be her, please. Can I be her? So then I still had to test and all that and I still had to wait and all that, which was great. And then there was some debate because at the time, first of all, for me, it was so shockingly different from anything, right, to have four women, even though Carrie was clearly the lead, there were four strong women characters who were all different. And like, walking around Manhattan, like, that was like, what? Yeah. You know, I was like, I need to do that. Yeah. Like, I'm not that at all, but I want to play that, you know? Like, you had a feeling, like, you'd never, like, this was a brand new thing. Yes. Oh, absolutely. And I wanted to be part of it. And I thought it would be a tiny little cult type level.

like Larry Sanders was at the time. I think Larry's gotten, Gary, Larry have gotten the respect over time. Over time. But it was niche. But at the time, you didn't even know it was possible for a show on premium cable to resonate with the bubble. No, we had no precedent, right? We had no precedent. And I was totally fine with that.

I was like, let's be a new show and just try to keep it going. We were all in that together, you know? And the fact that it was different and the fact that we were pushing the limits and we didn't really know what we. were and Darren would come down because Darren had come from network, network, network and wanted to change. But also, we, HBO very much was like hands off. Like they kind of let us find ourselves, you know, but that was also slightly scary, right? So I remember sometimes Darren would come down at first season.

Because then it's on you guys, if it doesn't work. Exactly, totally. He'd come down, he'd be like, you guys, you guys, whenever he got panicked, his hands would come up. You've got to be funny, okay? You've got to be funny. No pressure. I know. And we'd be like, but the script is the same as it was yesterday.

Like, we're not rewriting like a sitcom. Like, what do you mean? You know, and we'd just be like, okay, Terry, okay. Try to be really, really funny. Someone said something, right? Or he thought something or he, you know, whatever based on yesterday's daily or whatever, right? Who knows? Then, like, the next week he'd come down and he'd be like, you guys, you have to be sexy.

Oh, Jesus. And I'd be like, me? Okay. Okay. Like, I have nothing on the page to be sexy with. Okay. So it was a little bit like that, but also fun. So was Michael Patrick King not involved at all at first?

No, not at first. Not at first, like not the pilot. He came in, I think the first episode. I think he was, for a while, it was him and Darren alone in the writing room. Then they brought in Jenny Bix. That was their first female. Wow, just like three people. Yeah.

And then finally Cindy, which we're seeing Cindy's work now, third season, Shupac, exactly. And then, like, we added women as we went, basically. But it was just the two of them, the whole first season. Man, it's, like, great writing. I know. It's amazing. It's amazing.

And also, visually, like, there's that episode where it's Carrie's birthday and no one shows up at the restaurant because of a mix-up. And then she walks, she gets home and there's a car there, and the door opens and balloons pop out. You don't even see big. He probably wasn't even on set. for that shot just with the balloons. But we know Big so well.

Like you could watch that show with the sound off and know exactly what's going on. Which is incredible. It's incredible. And that's one of the things that's great about rewatching it. Because at the time, back in the day, first of all, we're working our asses off, right?

Like it was all the time, you know, so intense. What did you have, like, four or five days to shoot episodes? Something like that. I mean, it's hard to remember how fast we had to do. But, like, I know this episode that we're going to talk about eventually. It was the first episode. of season three, the first week of season three was 100 hours. Jesus.

So, I mean, like, it was, it was a lot. And on top of that, because, yeah. I mean, you guys were, you were on the ferry, you were, I mean, there's a lot to shoot dancing. Oh, my God. I mean, I've forgotten how, well, we can talk about when we talk about, but, yeah. I mean, there's so much, right? There's a lot for 25 minutes.

I mean, it's insane. How much we could, we could pack in. That's right. they would give us, it was more a budget for like a regular half hour, but because we had to, the way that they wrote everyone's storylines, once we get the vibe of that we're all going to have the different pieces of the theme, right, that she's writing about. Once that started to click, which is third season, it's really come together, right?

Yes. Then, you know, her voiceover will say like, and then Uptown, Charlotte, no, no, no, no. But we don't have that budget, right? So, like, we would cross, cross-purpose locations. You know, we remember them having like the big Kleege lights and like walking down the street with them like to the next corner where we'd have, you know what I mean? Like crazy, almost grew up filmmaking.

Yeah, because in order to pull off these stories, you guys had to do that. Yeah. Because like you said, season three, the aperture of the show just kind of widens. Right. And you guys are taking, it becomes kind of this epic thing. And by that point, you guys realize you're representing women

Well, this had started, right. I don't know that we fully realized, right, but we is starting to resonate, resonate. When the Alanis Morset episode, for instance, when that happened, that was everywhere. Like you guys were settling in to being a phenomenon. Maybe it wasn't like it's like it wasn't full-fledged yet. I don't remember.

But I remember it being a big deal. I think season three is when it became a big deal, because season three is, when we got nominated for the Emmy, which was like the shock of all life. So you didn't for the first two seasons. No, and we never thought we would. Wow.

We never entered our mind. Yeah. It never entered my mind. We used to joke that Darren and I would joke we'd get a Cable Ace Award one day. Right, right. Right. Do they still have the Ace Awards?

No, I don't think so. I think they're gone. I think they're gone. But the thing that I think was great was just going through that together. Yeah. You know what I'm saying. Yeah. And knowing that you started as this little thing,

and you must have constantly been looking at each other like, Holy. We still do. We still do. I'm sure. Because we still feel the same. Right. 27 years later.

Yeah. And you have a second series two movies. Like it's amazing. Yeah, it's insane. Right. But I think the thing that is sometimes strange is that when, so we remember what it all felt like, right? Which is an amazing thing to share. But from the outside, it seems like it was always meant to be this big thing.

Or like that we were handed stuff. But no. And that's why then when the show and just like that ended and everybody was all shocked. Like, well, what do you mean? We're like, you guys, it's all hard. It is hard to make anything. Right? It's so hard.

I think that's a weird part or not. Right. It's so hard. Okay, Adam, this is so much fun. And we could talk all of our industry stuff and all of our shows forever. You guys check back in with us. We're going to be recapping where there's smoke later in the week. Okay.

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