Are You A Charlotte? - What’s it like to date Carrie Bradshaw? Craig Bierko (Ray King) on his incredible scene partner Sarah Jessica Parker…

Episode Date: April 2, 2026

Craig Bierko continues to analyze his role as Ray King.  He shares with Kristin every detail of his scenes with Sarah Jessica Parker.  Plus, what they thought of Samantha’s relationship with Maria and Sonia Braga’s performance.Craig admits he wanted a cameo on And Just Like That!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We have Craig Vierico, Part 2. He's so great as Ray King, as I'm sure you'll all remember. So when you were doing the music man, you were at the tail end, so were you simultaneously filming with us and still performing? I think so. I may have taken the week off, but I don't. I didn't like to take too much time off because I always feel like it's always such a shock. Even if anything is different.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're just like, I'm on stage showing the show. I'm on stage, you know, you're just whatever. That's incredible. But I think I did take a week. And then I think, I don't know if they bought me back or it was originally for two episodes. I don't remember. There was some kind of an extension situation, I feel like.

Yeah, because I think you were just so great. And Sarah loved you so much. And I think everyone was so happy. And it was just such a, you really were a breath of fresh air at that point, you know, in terms of the storyline, but also your presence. And I do remember there, and we're going to talk about the episode in a minute, but I do remember something. And I feel like this was something that you were doing in life. Like, it was kind of like a precursor to social media in a way. Like you had a blog or a vlog or a vlog or a something.

Do you remember this? Was it? Well, I had a very crazy. first episode of a talk show. Maybe that's what it was. You had something that we were like, wow, he's so multifaceted. It might have been, was it bathing with Bierco? Yes.

Oh my God. What was it? Yeah. I'm so proud of that. I did, I had this crazy idea of, of, I love talk shows, but I also, sometimes they really get lost with talk shows. And I remember, I was joking around with the first. friend of mine. And we were, I think we were talking about, Bert Reynolds used to have a talk show, like in the 80s. Wow. He was, yeah, it was, it was that sort of like he done, that stroker ace,

post-stroke eras, the Lonnie, what am I doing? Like, I'm an aging guy. Sometimes I, I don't know. He was throwing all kinds of messages out to everybody. Wow. About what he was and what his predilections were, not that any of that matters, but it was a confusing Bert Reynolds period. Okay, okay. And I remember he had a talk show called Bert Reynolds Talking With or something like that. Okay. And it was, and it was, I remember watching it and going, oh my God. And no offense, but this was the feeling.

I was like, every time I watch this show, I feel like, whenever it's over, I feel like I'm just getting off of a great gay cruise. It was so, it was so, like, they shot him like, they shot Barbara Walters in her specials or Dina Short with just this fuzz and he always had like a pastel sweater and flowers. And that always made me laugh. And it was always like the same guest, Dom Deloese, Jim Neighbors. And I was like, am I watching a talk show or am I at, you know, what was that called Plato's

retreat? Wow. Wow. Wow. You know, it wasn't that bad. But it wasn't that, I'm not that far off. It was strange. And it lasted like two episodes or something.

Oh, my gosh. This isn't right. This isn't right. This isn't right. But I remember that, and I remember joking around with a friend and thinking, the only thing that would have been set me more ill at ease, I think, was if he was bathing his guest. Oh, my God.

Where are we going? At that point, we actually started talking about, like, wouldn't that be funny? And I thought, maybe we're going to shoot that. And there was no, this was pre-internet. So I was like, where would I, I don't know. I would think I was just riffing. And the original idea was to sit on the side of a tub. like in a caftan and just sort of like brush the person and ask them questions like you're asking me

and I'm just and never reference it never reference it what and then I I had lunch with a a friend of mine this guy Rob Cohen comedy writer came off the Simpsons very funny guy and I told him about the show he said just do it just do it and so he found some camera people for me and I I told my agent at the time, and she said, you think Malikovic would do it? And I said, are you asking me? What? I said, she goes, let me ask him. And I said, right.

And so he said, yes. And I had to go to the, I had to go. Is this too much? No, I love it. I love it. What on earth. I went to the Beverly Hills Hotel where he was. He had a bungalow.

And I met with him. And I'm sitting there. And I explained the show to him. We'll be sitting in a tub that's too small for me. and I'm going to be bathing you, and I'm just going to ask you. And at that point, I wanted it to just be straight, like just, you know, a ridiculous situation. I'm just going to ask you about Step and Wolf and, you know, your fashion line and all that. And he said, okay.

I said, I want to tell you what it is again just because I think I should have told you twice, but maybe you didn't hear it. So I told him again, he goes, yeah, that's okay. Wow. And he showed up. It was shot, a good friend of mine. May she rest in peace. The other Carrie in my life. I'm sorry.

That's okay. Carrie Fisher. Oh, oh. Yeah, I get a little. Oh, Carrie Fisher. Who was also on our show? Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Did you get to know her at all? Not, no, no. We tried to leave her alone because I remember it was the LA episodes and everybody was so excited, but we didn't want to like overwhelm the situation, You know, but she was unoverwhelming. Oh, we should have.

We should have. She lived in overwhelm. That was, that was, that's her comforts. Right, right, right. Wow. So wait, she was involved also. She, well, that's her tub because I was staying in her guest house. I've been living on and off for a couple of years.

Wow. And so I remember looking at that tub and it was hilarious because it was a bathroom, but it had room for for three cameras. And there was a piano in it because Carrie Fisher was a course of a piano. And so even if we wanted to have a band, whatever we wanted to do, but we had cameras there, not big ones, but we had cameras and it was crazy.

It was almost like the room was crying out for it. I think Edith Head built the house and then Betty Davis lived there for a while. Oh my gosh. And then Carrie Fisher. Wow. So we did it. I think if you, it's something you can show actors

because John Malkovich is so brilliant. because it's a ridiculous situation. And the whole idea is let's make something that's so awkward, you almost don't want to look at it. Wow. And yeah, it was just, it was just, it was just seemed wrong. That's all. It was just wrong.

And, and all he did was he wanted a cup of black coffee and some direction. And I said, I think it's Charlie Rose. And instead of a wooden table, just pretend this is the way these shows are done. You've done a million of these. Wow. And probably don't want to, you know, whatever it is, just treat it like a talk show. You went, okay. And that's exactly what we laughed once, but it was because I, it suddenly occurred to me that

I'm, I'm spooning John Malkovich. This is crazy. Oh, my God. We have a picture. How did that happen? Easton, my producer, he's so good. This is so crazy that we need a picture to fully understand what is happening. Wow.

I have other pictures that are hilarious. Oh, my God. I'll give you a scoop. I'll give you a scoop. I can't believe I'm on the, I'm on a show to talk about sex in the city. I'm talking about bathing with beer. But this is great. I need to know about this.

We shot the thing, but I don't think we knew what we had. It took us a couple of weeks to edit it because we were like, is this an hour long thing? Because we had an hour of it. Wow. Do we show the whole thing? Because a lot of the conversation was just interesting. He was talking about Steppenwolf. And the more we edited it, the more we realized, oh, because we were trying to figure out, we know it's funny, but how do we sustain this?

Yeah. It's a weird idea. But how do we make it funny and comfort, you know? And then we realized, oh, the guest is the straight man. And I'm the idiot. And we just came up with the questions start out normal and they get ridiculous. At one point, I'm just asking him to repeat words that sounds strange, you know. Wow. Whatever.

And he played along brilliantly. And then so for the, and then we put it out. And we didn't know what to expect. and it it was one of the early like viral videos. I know. Okay. This is exactly because I remember Sir Jessica being like

you wouldn't believe what Craig Mirko is doing. We were like, what? But yeah, it was early. But that was after the music man. So that would have come out after. Got it. Got it. No, I think you guys were still chatting or whatever, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think did we have our, I think we had our blackberries at that point. I think this was the days of the blackberry.

I remember. I would make fun of her all the time because I could never figure one out. Yeah. No, she got me into it. We lived on those things. We lived on those things. What a different time that feels like, it feels like we're like in wagons or something. But we're using blackberries. It's true. So wait, what happened with the bathtub show? Oh, it was a, it was a big deal. And unfortunately, I didn't see eye to eye with what Rob wanted to do because we shot a second one. And that was the thing is for every 100. letters we'd send out. We'd get maybe one response because who wants, you know. Oh, I'd be scared to death.

Yeah. So that's, of course, that's why it was so good to have one episode in the can that we could show people. But anyway, of all people, Richard Dreyfus saw it and said, I want to do it. Oh, my God. I want to do it. And I almost drove off the road. I was like, okay, great. And he knew Carrie. He knew Carrie. So this was all great. Wow. It all was falling into place, and he wouldn't take his shirt off. He wouldn't get undressed.

And so, you know, we figured, well, we'll shoot it. If I can find it, I'll look while I'm here. Oh, my God. Because I'll give you an explosive. But there is an episode, there's a second episode with, it's the first episode I'm very pleased with. It's so surreal and you don't, it just sort of clobbers you over the head. And the second one was, we thought, like, what do you do once the joke is, I mean, it's a very simple premise. Right.

And I didn't know if it was a show. I thought maybe it's a New Yorker cartoon, just one thing, and out. But we had Richard do it, and it's funnier. It's really funny. He was really funny, but it looks like he's sitting in the tub with his clothes on. He must have been self-conscious or something. But the most surreal thing, and probably my favorite part of the whole experience, was his daughter and his wife had come up. And they were standing in the bathroom going, take the shirt off.

I'm not going to take the shirt off. I'm not going to take it off. Wow. can yell at me. And I'm sitting in a tub going, I thought being in a tub with John Malcovic was weird. But I'm in the middle of a family argument in a tub with Richard Dreyfuss. And I just loved my life.

But it wasn't right. And I just thought, I'm glad he came. It was really nice to meet him. It was funny. I mean, we had the mashed potatoes. Crazy. Super fascinating. He was doing, oh, God, it was, I had him repeat.

I said, the thing you, that line and jaws, it made me want to be an actor. Wow. This was no voting accident. Can you do that? And he did it. And I said, but do it like you did it. Oh.

And he did it. And I went, I don't know, I don't know what you're doing. And I just, he played along with it. It was just a lot of awkward. It was just whatever was awkward. It sounds like a precursor to like so much of what is online at this point. And also it makes me think of the show that Zach Gallifinacus did, like the Fern show. Do you remember that?

It was similar to that. Yeah. Wow, you were ahead of your time, Craig. Well, I just loved, you know what? I love Will Ferrell, and Will Ferrell had sort of introduced this comedy of discomfort. You know, him walking into a room with tiny underwear on and he just doesn't notice it and he's just reaching past you and stuff like that. But it's safe because you know the underwear isn't going to come off and you know. And it was brilliant, but I thought what?

would be what's the next step wow and i think it was to this day people are like you're you're not naked in the tub are you and i'm like well it's john malcovitch what do you what do you think which means nothing uh and and i just love the people were like you were and then to this day they're just like i love it but that's weird yeah yeah i mean it's super fascinating for you to feel weird yeah so that was great It became this huge thing. It got away, you know, like the New York Times, and then people writing saying they wanted to be on it. And I met with Lorne Michaels. Yeah, and I'm like, this is crazy.

Wow. And Lauren Michaels is saying, I can't tell Andy Sandberg at the time was in the cast. He goes, I can't tell Andy Sandberg that he can't have the last sketch in the show because some guy in California. I said, yeah, I don't know why I'm here either. And I just said, this is, this can't. I don't know where this would fit into your show. I love your show. And I said, can I just use my 10 minutes to ask you questions?

He said, sure. Wow. Oh, that's a great story. Yeah, I loved it. Oh, my gosh. Super fascinating. You're very, very interesting. I knew this.

I'll send you pictures because I have pictures of Richard Dreyfus. I'd love, yeah. I'd love to see. I'd love to see. I knew there was something where I was like, he did something really odd after. And I couldn't remember what it was. So thank you so much.

I'm Lori Siegel, and I'm mostly human, I go beyond the headlines with the people building our future. This week, an interview with one of the most influential figures in Silicon Valley, OpenAI CEO Sam Alman. I think society is going to decide that creators of AI products bear a tremendous amount of responsibility to products we put out in the world. From power to parenthood. Kids, teenagers, I think they won't need a lot of guardrails around AI. This is such a powerful and such a new thing. From addiction to acceleration. The world we live in is a competitive world,

and I don't think that's going to stop, even if you did a lot of redistribution. We have a deep desire to excel and be competitive and gain status and be useful to others, and it's a multiplayer game. What does the man who has extraordinary influence over our lives have to say about the weight of that responsibility? Find out I'm mostly human.

My highest order bit is to not destroy the world with AI. Listen to Mostly Human on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite A silver 40 caliber handgun was recovered at the scene. From I-Heart podcasts and Best Case Studios, this is Worshack, murder at City Hall. How could this have happened in City Hall? Somebody tell me that. July 2003, Councilman James E. Davis arrives at New York City Hall with a guest.

Both men are carrying concealed weapons. And in less than 30 minutes, both of them will be dead. Now everybody in the chambers ducts. A shocking public murder. I scream, get down, get down. Those are shots. Those are shots, get down. A charismatic politician.

You know, he just bent the rules all the time. I still have a weapon. And I could shoot you. And an outsider with a secret. He alleged he was a victim of flat down. That may or may not have been political. It may have been about sex. Listen to Rorschach, murder at City Hall,

on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If you're trying to keep up with everything happening on and off the court, we've got you covered on the podcast, flagrant and funny. You look at the top four number one seeds. What do you think UCLA is going to do? Break down that for me, my friend. Obviously, Yukon is the overwhelming favorite in this tournament.

But I'll be honest, I think people are kind of sleeping on Texas. Experts are suggesting that UCLA is the number one challenge. to Yukon and that right after that would be Texas. S&C is so deep and so thick and just about everything. It really is annoying. So it's UCLA, Texas, South Carolina, LSU. Only ones that could possibly upset Yukon. On Flagrant and Funny, we're giving our unfiltered takes on the biggest moments

the conversations everyone's having. So whether your bracket is busted or you just want the latest on the tournament, we got you. Listen to Flakran and Funny with Carrie Champion and Jamel Hill on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. Hey, I'm Nora Jones, and I love playing music with people so much that my podcast called Playing Along is back. I sit down with musicians from all musical styles to play songs together in an intimate setting.

Every episode's a little different, but it all involves music and conversation with some of my favorite musicians. Over the past two seasons, I've had special guests like Dave Grohl, Leveh, Mavis Staples, Remy Wolf, Jeff Tweedy, really too many to name. And this season, I've sat down with Alessia Cara, Sarah McLaughlin, John Legend, and more. Check out my new episode with Josh Grobin. You related to the Phantom at that point. Yeah, I was definitely the Phantom in that. That's so funny. Share each day with me each night, each morning.

Say you love me. You know I... So come hang out with us in the studio and listen to Pletka. playing along on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Let's talk about Samantha for a second. This would be the beginning of Samantha trying to have a relationship with a woman, which I don't even know. I know.

I know. I don't know what led to this decision to do this. We're going to have to ask Michael Patrick when he comes back. And then I don't know how we got Sonia Braga, of all people. Like, wow, wow. and it's interesting because she's, you know, they meet at the art gallery and she wants to buy her at work and then she realizes she's gay because the ladies around her

and then she goes to her studio and they do art together, which is interesting. And then there's kind of a vibe. But then Samantha doesn't say, oh, I am not into women. She says, I'm not a relationship person. Right. Which is interesting. And Sonia Bragal looks so crestfallen.

And for me, when I was watching it, I thought there was so much kind of, subtext about what lesbians want, right? Because Sonia Brog could have been like, well, I'm not a relationship person either. Exactly, right. Right, but the thought was like, oh, no, relationships are like what, what this character was, right?

And I guess it is, because then there's some... Had that ever been laid out or hinted to before that she might have an interest in there? Not that I'm aware of, I mean, except that she just kind of was interested in whatever, right? Like, her thing was like, I'm sexual and I'm... You know what I mean? So from that perspective, it doesn't make sense. She says something like, you know, I've done the women thing, but it's mostly been with a man and a woman or whatever. So it is very interesting.

And I still, I'm basically watching this show as though I've never seen it at this point. It is. I don't remember any of this section of our show. I don't know if I was just really tired. I don't know why I don't remember it. But it's super interesting to watch. I don't know what's going to happen. I know they're going to try.

But it's also interesting because, Sonia Braga is just such an interesting actress and so, so different. Beautiful. Yeah, gorgeous. I used to just stand there. I had to like, with you guys, I was always just putting my jaw back. Oh, that's funny. I was standing at the craft service table trying not to drool.

That's so nice. I think we were just very excited that a new man had shown up finally, finally for Carrie, but also in general. You know what I mean? Because for a while, we used to have like revolving. revolving, revolving. And then we got into these kind of longer storylines, right? And a longer story line. Yeah, which on the one hand, as an actor, is wonderful, right?

Like, you're just digging in. But on the other hand, there's something fun about having new people. Yeah. Yeah. It's both of those things. It's just fun to be on a show with a – it's like a carousel like that, people coming in and out, some staying longer than others. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

If it's worth it. Yes, yes, definitely. It feeds the rest. It feeds your core cast. because they're the people were really watching. That's true, but I also think with you guys, especially,

I was just thinking about kind of the joys of being an actor and having chemistry with somebody. It's something like it. I couldn't have guessed. Well, you know, you're all very winning and like that's why you're on the show. But sometimes you walk into a room

with somebody who's, you're like, in your mind they're your best friend, but you realize it's a part, it's a role. They're not that person. Yes. And I didn't find her necessarily. She was very approachable. I don't know that she would have remembered.

We did another movie. There was a movie called Tilda was you. Oh. We were both in. But we didn't cross paths on it at all. But that was a few years. Wow. Beforehand, but pretty forgettable movie.

Who's in it? Gene Triplehorn. Wow. Dylan McDermott. No way. I don't even think I've seen this movie. They were the Tracy and have. of the movie.

But Sarah Jessica Parker had the, you know, attention-getting role of the ex-girlfriend. Oh, got it. And she got to be rich. I just remember a scene in a restaurant where she was being really funny. Okay. And I think we stood next to each other for a second, but we didn't really, you know,

having long. Right, right. And so I didn't know what to expect. And maybe based on that experience, I thought maybe she's going to be like a movie star and it's just going to be a gig. Oh. But it wasn't.

The minute I came in, I was like, actually during the meeting, I got it. She's very smart. And so whatever she needed to draw out of me, I let her draw out, which was this, I think, just sort of somebody who, I think that he just needed to be likable and he needed to have his interests and really like her. And I think it's a bit of a fake out, you know, until he opens the door and he's like, I don't know what shirt to put on.

And then it just all starts unraveling. I know, which is kind of sad, kind of sad. It is kind of sad, but I always appreciate it in a way that it didn't have to be. And also, that is the fight. It is that ridiculous. Right. That was a tough scene, though, because his mind starts, it starts sparking. And it feeds on itself.

You know, once you get going, like the, once it's not like you can unscatter yourself. If you've got to, like, sit down or, you know, there are ways to work through it. but to keep talking about whatever the obsession of the... It's like you're leaping from obsession to obsession. Interesting.

So you was talking about like, why is there no skeet shooting in New York? Oh, you know what? I made fish. Like, and it was a bitch to memorize because nothing had any...

Oh, that's really hard. Memorizing lists is the worst but when they have nothing to do and it really was like, I like sardfish. Have you been to the baseball game? Oh my God. Yeah, yeah.

And it all had to be, and you couldn't just do it like a joke. It had to be, you know, know, do you like sort of... Specific. I wanted to ask about the kid. Yeah. So there was all this sort of, and it was really weird because, like I said, and this was

another thing I got from Carrie Fisher was, lead with whatever your thing is, you know? Yeah. Like, she, she, that's the way she always was. And it was so inspiring, you know, that, you know, she used to say, I used to get awards for acting. Now I get them for being nuts. But she wasn't nuts. It was a, it was something that she normally.

She normalized for herself, but most importantly for other people. Definitely. She really made a dent in this world. I agree. Just like Michael J. Fox is doing now. Absolutely. Absolutely. And that was important.

And it was important for me. Like I did think I want to do this, but I'm not going to let them make fun of it. And it never came up. Oh, I'm so glad. It never came up. It was, it was funny in the way that life is funny. And it is funny. Right, right.

But it was, it also was, it was properly. sad at the end. I was glad that they didn't just make it a, you know, a throwaway joke. Like, oh, he's, that's what, that was his problem. Right. Right. I think it was, and the way she played it, they showed her walking home. Yeah. And it was a genuine disappointment. Oh, yeah. And it had real gravity. I really thought that was, it's one of the great things about the show is it just didn't go. And next week's episode, like it had resonance. Right. Resonance has a good word. Absolutely Absolutely true. Absolutely true. I'm Lori Siegel, and I'm mostly human, I go beyond the headlines with the people building our future.

This week, an interview with one of the most influential figures in Silicon Valley, OpenAI CEO Sam Alman. I think society is going to decide that creators of AI products bear a tremendous amount of responsibility to products we put out in the world. From power to parenthood. Kids, teenagers, I think they won't need a lot of guardrails around AI. This is such a powerful and such a new thing. From addiction to acceleration. The world we live in is a competitive world, and I don't think that's going to stop, even if you did a lot of redistribution. We have a deep desire to excel and be competitive and gain status and be useful to others.

And it's a multiplayer game. What does the man who has extraordinary influence over our lives have to say about the weight of that responsibility? Find out I'm mostly human. My highest order bit is to not destroy the world with AI. Listen to Mostly Human on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast. podcast or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. If you're trying to keep up with everything happening on and off the court, we've got you covered on the podcast, flagrant and funny.

You look at the top four number one seeds. What do you think UCLA is going to do? Break down that for me, my friend. Obviously, Yukon is the overwhelming favorite in this tournament. But I'll be honest, I think people are kind of sleeping on Texas. Experts are suggesting that UCLA is the number one challenger to Yukon and that right after that would be Texas. S&C is so deep and so thick and just about everything.

It really is annoying. So it's UCLA, Texas, South Carolina, LSU. Only ones that could possibly upset Yukon. On Flagrant and Funny, we're giving our unfiltered takes on the biggest moments of the conversations everyone's having. So whether your bracket is busted or you just want the latest on the tournament, we got you.

Listen to Flakron and Funny with Carrie Champion and Jamel Hill on the IHeart Radio app. Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. A shot five in City Hall building. A silver 40 caliber handgun was recovered at the scene. From IHeart podcasts and Best Case Studios. This is Worshack, murder at City Hall.

How could this have happened in City Hall? Somebody tell me that. July 2003, Councilman James E. Davis arrives at New York City Hall with a guest. Both men or care. concealed weapons. And in less than 30 minutes, both of them will be dead. Now everybody in the chamber's duct. A shocking public murder. I scream, get down, get down. Those are shots. Those are shots. Those are shots. Get down. A charismatic politician. You know, he just bent the rules all the time. I still have a weapon.

And I could shoot you. And an outsider with a secret. He alleged he was a victim of flat down. That may or may not have been political. It may have been about sex. Listen to Rorschach, murder at City Hall, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Nora Jones, and I love playing music with people so much that my podcast called Playing Along is back. I sit down with musicians from all musical styles to play songs together in an intimate setting. Every episode's a little different, but it all involves music and conversation with some of my favorite musicians.

Over the past two seasons, I've had special guests like Dave Grohl, Leveh, Mavis Staples, Remy Wolf, Jeff Tweedy, really too many to name. And this season, I've sat down with Alessia Cara, Sarah McLaughlin, John Legend, and more. Check out my new episode with Josh Grobin. You related to the Phantom at that point. Yeah, I was definitely the Phantom in that. That's so funny. Share each day with me each night.

So come hang out with us in the studio and listen to Playing Along on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I just want to say thank you. Thank you for joining us. But also thank you for being part of our show that I love so much. And your part so great. When you guys, I think I don't know which movie it was. And then when you guys did the sequel to the series. One day you were shooting literally across from my apartment.

What? Well, I was down on Horatio. Oh, yeah. I don't know if you were there, but there was something, the show was shooting at the Whitney. Oh, yeah, I was there. I was there. We were all there.

Oh, my God. And I had a thought when you, I think when you guys were doing it, maybe it was the third, I don't remember which movie was, but I just thought, I want to pitch this idea, and I don't even want to be paid. because it's nothing, and I just think it's a funny idea, which was Barry's walking between scenes. So you literally wouldn't have to change anything,

but she's walking from one thing to another, looks in a storefront, and there's Ray, like looking at a can of tuna in their eyes meet. And he goes like that, and she goes in, she goes, Ray, how are you? How have you been? I'm great. I think of you from time to time, and you actually think, is he going to be?

And then she goes, it's funny, you know, I don't know if you remember big, Mr. Pig and then looks up and I'm gone and I'm literally across the street. I've seen somebody else that I know. And I'm just there going to. Just like it's just a quick ADD cameo. It would be sad all over again.

I was going to run over to the Whitney and I thought I can't be the guy pitching apart. Oh, but it would have been so cute. You should have just come say hi. I should have said hi. You should have. We were there for a long time. We were there for a long time.

That was a heavy time though, too. It's true. I also, I didn't, I think the reason I didn't was because there was, there was some press about, like, we're not going, it's not going to, you know, the world has changed. So it's not going to be the happy, go lucky, let's get shoes, you know. Oh, really? Did we say that? That's not what they said. That was lib.

But they, but they did say it's not going to be, it's not going to be the same tone. Right. It's not, it's a, it's, they really wanted to find the gravity. of where would these people be? And time is going on. So there is that element. And I thought, I don't know that I, like, even going into the room as a guy who would be associated with the last. True, though we could have used your energy.

Like, oh, okay. 2020 hindsight. But I decided, 2020 hindsight, of course. This is going to be like, oh, it's going to be shot, like, you know, with handheld and it's going to be very important. Like the whole time, I just figured, you know. Yeah, no, it wasn't. So I thought the last thing they need is the, you know. Oh, you're so sweet.

I didn't. It was an impulse. It wasn't. I get it, but we would have loved to see you. It's always fun. Well, next time when you guys come back. I mean, I don't know if we'll ever come back. But who knows with this job? Sex and space.

Sex and space. I love it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We could do whatever we want. That'd be fun. That'd be fun. A little bubble. Okay, wait, I have one more question that I can't forget to ask you.

It's a little weird, but would you describe yourself Craig as a Charlotte? I think I would because of all the, you know, yours was the one, I know that it's a, it's a trope. Yeah. To say you're a carrier. Right. I wouldn't know. I like to think of myself as a full, rich human being. Right.

You know, contradictions. Sure. I contain multitudes. Of course. I felt like I knew who, you know, it. Yes, it's exceptionally well written, but I could identify, I could almost guess how every character was going to react to things. And then it was always a pleasant surprise because it was written smartly and they wouldn't.

But I knew the characters and I don't feel like I was able to pigeonhole Charlotte that way. Oh, that's nice. In that way, I like to think that I am a Charlotte. Love it. Because I don't, you know, I don't feel like I fit into any category. It used to frustrate the hell out of me. And now it just frustrates the shit out of me. No, honestly, I love it.

I know it was, I know that there were differences that, that's, that set your character apart. And maybe it was just the situations that seemed a little bit more grounded sometimes. Oh, thank you. That's so nice. And the way that you played it, too. Thank you. It was always just a very, um, I couldn't, I couldn't figure. I wasn't ahead of the character is what I'm saying.

Oh, thank you. I mean, I think some of that really I have to credit Michael Patrick with because I think he, would envision her arc in such a way that it was really grounded. And then I would just trust him, you know, and it always would kind of veer around in ways that I wouldn't even see coming. But yet her self was always the same, meaning like grounded, you know? Well, you were a joy. Thank you so, so much.

It's my pleasure. Thank you for being in. It's really nice to get to talk to you. I know. Thank you. Because I feel like I've been associated with you. But it's like that's my pleasure. my younger sister. By the time she was born, I was in college. No, no, no, no, not at all. Not at all.

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