Are You A Charlotte? - When 40 Seemed Old... (S3 E8 "The Big Time")

Episode Date: December 18, 2025

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We are breaking down season three, episode eight of the best season, I think. I might change my mind when we watch more. But, you know, I think that's it. Anyway, here we are. Welcome back. I was just talking to Evie, who works on this show about, there was an article that said, having a boyfriend is embarrassing.

Oh, it's a big deal, man. Yeah. And, you know, we're talking about, like, what do you need a man for, especially? And as a man, I will lead the march of that, you know, other than, like, reaching things on a high shelf. but yeah at this point when the episode's happening I mean like it's it's so funny

because I think that was that may have been the last episode we talked about together was the one where Miranda's interior designer gets married and we were I was thinking about that too because I was another that also surprised me is like thinking about Miranda wanting to get married bizarre right everybody wanted it

at that point or I think felt like you were supposed to want it felt pressured to do it right felt pressured and I mean I think some of that is still there, but I also think that the generations all have their own vibe about it, you know? So now we have like this very big generational gap, right? Between like Z, X, what are they called? Who did I leave out? Millennials.

Millennials. That's who I left out. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. You know, there's very distinct things now going on, which I also don't feel like used to be true, right? like you were supposed to want what the people ahead of you had. Yes.

You know what I mean? Now that's not, that's like a free for all, right? Which I think it's as it should be. Exactly. But I also think some of that is because of economic issues and like many different things are impacting that. Right. Yes.

But I also think that it's nice that there's more choice. It's nice that you can pick your own lane and be there. But like, you know, when Mary Beth came on and she said that her friends were criticizing her for wanting a boyfriend? That made me laugh so hard. They were like, you're crazy. But she's of the group of boyfriends are embarrassing. Yeah.

Right? Which I also really, like for me, I find the whole movement of this to be really empowering and great. And I think part of that is because of the social media element because there was a time when, you know, Instagram official was like this whole thing. Like if you weren't posting, you know, like, you and the cute, you know, significant other or whatever, I don't know. I think that whole thing is just like, wow, like awful.

Because I also feel like it's added pressure and also everyone makes it look amazing and obviously relationships are complicated, but you can't really put complicated on Instagram. Yeah, you know? So then it just looks super shiny and beautiful and you're in some beautiful location and everything's beautiful and, you know, it looks just so wonderful. and then, like, you know, they're, they'll show flowers, like, oh, he gave me flowers. You're just like, oh, God. But anyway, so that's what I love about Shante Joseph's article, our boyfriend's

embarrassing, question mark. And I think maybe, is there now in there? Our boyfriend's now embarrassing? Is having a boyfriend embarrassing now? Which feels like something we would have done a super tight zoom in on Carrie's computer and watch your type. 100% is having a boyfriend now embarrassing, question mark. That is such a Carrie Bradshaw question.

I love it so much. But I have seen Chenet on my Instagram, and she has gotten a lot of angry, angry texts as well. So there's the people who love it, like myself, who find the whole message very empowering and, like, a valid question because some of these boyfriends are frankly embarrassing. You know what I'm saying? I would argue the majority of them. I would. But some of what I have witnessed out there. I mean, yeah, I'm not really, you know, so much in the mix or whatever, but like, from what I see sometimes, I'm like, you do feel like it's a waste of the woman's time.

Yes. Yeah. It benefits the man so much more in every possible way. Yeah. The only, I don't want to get too much on this, but like, I've talked to my wife about this and like, we have had an honest conversation. And I firmly believe that the only thing, the only advantage. that I serve her is that it is easier to do certain things if it comes from a man because that's how society is unfortunately. Isn't that so fucked up? It's so so fucked up. It's still so crazy.

We're planning our wedding. We're playing our wedding. We're trying to get this dumb red curtain. And our wedding planner and my wife were emailing the guy who ran the venue. No response at all. I copy and pasted and sent the exact same email. It got back to me right away. And that was the first time I had ever really seen that, seen it. It, like, happened for me. So messed up. And I was like, this happens every day all around me. And it's so sad. It's true.

And that is the, you know, I truly think that's the only, but, you know, that's the only thing that I really bring to this is that like. No. Aston. No. We have a great relationship. We get along really well. We love each other's company and stuff like that. But, but like, I will be the first to say we own our home because my wife put it, like, found it and put in all the work to get it.

She pushed me to, like, get a better job. There's like, oh, I love it. I think that's a common story for a lot of these men get dragged, kicking and screaming into adulthood by these strong, powerful women that are gracing us with their presence. I agree. I think that's true. I mean, I mean, I feel, and I feel bad a little bit saying it because, I mean, I like Ben, you know, and I like my friend's husbands and all that. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah.

And I will say, I want to say this, I think it's important to say, I think that I have a, a, uh, a, a, uh, a really good girlfriend. We've been friends since we were 20s, in our 20s, like a long time. And I was there when she went on her first date with her husband. It was adorable and very cute. I tell their daughters the story now

and they laugh really hard. And he, luckily, proposed. He'd been living with her in her house. Okay. And they had a bit of a kind of one of those almost breakups before the proposal, which happens.

I don't know if you've witnessed this with your friends or yourself or whatever. Like there's like a crux, like a crisis kind of thing that happens. Yes, I have seen this happen. Yeah, when people are debating, maybe taking the next step. Yeah.

And he was acting really wacky and she came to me and she said, I don't want to say their names because I feel bad telling the story, but I'm not going to say who it is. She came to me and she's like, I don't know what's going on with him. He's just acting so strange.

And, you know, he said maybe he should, you know, like, you know, see other people. I was like, what? This is in our 20s, right? And I said, you know, I mean, I think late 20s. I said, is he insane who should tell him to get out? Like he can get out if that is what he wants. He needs to get his things and move out of your house.

Because right now he is living the life. And he needs to either like commit to the life or get the fuck out. Right? So she told him that I said this. And I mean, it was very rare for me at the time. And I did really love him. And I did think they were a great couple. but I was mad, right, on her behalf.

And so she told him this, and he was mad at me for a little while, but he did propose. Thank God in heaven. Now, what I want to say about them is that they have the most amazing relationship, and I mean, I've known them forever now, right? And she has gone through cancer. Wow. And she's fine now, knock the wood, but he literally got her through it. Like, it makes me want to cry.

So, you know, I don't think you should ever feel like you're not contributing, right? Because you're in it together. You know, you're in life together. And that's the beautiful thing. That's a beautiful thing, right? So, yes, we live in a sexist patriarchal world that is messed up. And it's amazing that you see that, right? But I think, like, what each person brings to the relationship is so much more than that.

So it's so much more than that. You know what I mean? When it's a good relationship. Of course. And people are committed to working on it. Yes. Which I think is also key. You know, Lena and I talked about that, too.

I mean, like, not everybody would say, like, are you working on your spirituality? are you working on your commitment? Are you working, are you in therapy? Are you, is there some way that you're getting better? Yes. You know? And when you're together in a relationship and doing that, that's amazing. Yes.

Yes. And worth it. Yeah. You know what I'm saying. Worth it. Even though what we're talking about is like, I think the way that they're talking about that it doesn't benefit the women is economically.

Yes. Right? Because economically, especially when you become a mother, like your economics get like totally wrecked. You know what I mean? like your job, you know, ascendance or whatever you want to call it, like everything. Hannah is doing it all. But, I mean, it's not easy.

You don't know what I'm saying. It's not easy, right, for the women, because that's how the system is set up. Exactly. Which is messed up. And, you know, hopefully, I mean, that's why I find articles like Cheney's article so, so wonderful because, like, it's kind of like peeling back the layers, right? And saying, like, let's say even in your 20s and 30s, you know, because it wasn't Mary Beth talking about, I don't know if she talked about it when she was here, but like, there's a whole thing. of men who wanted to buy leather jackets and like and but needing help from the girlfriend because they couldn't decide

and like some some girl friend of hers had gone and like there was like 17 leather jackets that she had to look at. Do you know what I mean? Like just stupid stupid shit. Do you know how else to put it? But you are kind of exhausted by that at a certain point. And like for me and this is probably really bad that I'm going to say this, but I'm going to say it anyway.

I got to a place in life where I thought, you know what, I'm just going to raise some children because I'm tired of putting all the energy in the men because the men are just going to go. And then what are you left with? Like nothing. I'm just going to raise some actual children. Like, that's where I got to.

I don't know. So I just relate to all of it. You know what I mean? Yes. Yeah. It's hard. It's hard to, it's hard to navigate, you know? And so let's talk about Stephen Moran.

because this is a perfect feed into that. Perfect segue to that. Man, I mean, like, I love Steve. As I've said a few times now, I really had no idea how incredible Steve Eganberg. I'm sorry, David Eganberg. See, now I have them in this, the same person. David Eganberg was because at the time,

I was never around them really. And I kind of felt somewhat of like a frustration that I think Miranda felt. Yes. Like I often took on the, whatever the characters were feeling vibe or whatever. as my own personal self. So, like, I was like, oh, God, she's still with him.

You know what I mean? Like, I don't know. I don't know if I really thought that thought. But I did think, like, wow, they're really, they've got a lot of, a lot of Steve in here. But when I watch him back, he's just so, so incredibly good. Like, even in hard scenes, like, they're in a restaurant. They're eating. I think this is when you first see them in the show, right?

Yes. They're eating, and there's a baby there at the table next to him. And Miranda's like, you know, I thought, this is what they invited babysitters for, you know, which she really, she really. makes me laugh, I tell you. And Steve's like, oh no, he's so cute, you know, and he's like all cooey and whatever. And then he spills soup down his shirt and she's like, you're a mess. And I'm like, this is just so good because he really is so believable. You know what I'm saying? Like, he's so open and honest and adorable. But then just one second later, he goes too far and he's

annoying. You know what I'm saying? Like he's a kid, you know? Yeah, definitely. At the same time that he's saying, we should have a baby. And she's like, ha, ha, you're insane. And then she's like, oh, God, you're not. You're actually mean it. And I'm like, oh, Miranda. Oh, Miranda. Things are coming.

Things are coming. But I think it's, I just really, I feel for him because I feel like there are times in your life where you're just like, I want to, I want to do the next thing. And this is what the next thing is. And then if the person that you're with doesn't want to do that next thing, it's so hard. Yep. And then you have to decide, am I going to leave because they don't want what I want? So that's a pretty fundamental difference at that point.

This is definitely a fundamental difference, but she's not wrong. Yeah. Yeah. But then things happen. But you know what? I don't really remember exactly how it goes down either. I'm really curious to see. I remember some of it, but I don't remember all of it.

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intersected for some reason. I know. ordinary people we don't know which way you go Listen to Nora Jones is playing along on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So we see them at the soup, at the soup,

they're sitting having like, like, udon or something. And she's like, ah, the baby. and he's like, it's adorable. And then she's all, you know, mad. And then she gets that, wait, wait, wait. She thinks it's crazy, of course. They've only been living together two months,

which is also really funny because it seems like it's, I don't know, it seems like a while. It does. In our showtime at least, right? But only two months. It's not long. It's not long at all.

Slow yourself down, man. I mean, but he is so interesting because I kind of get his point, right? Like, he's just kind of like a go with the flow. Like, let's make it work. know. I don't know. I get it. So then she's working and Steve is watching Scooby-Doo. And the really funny part is I'm like, he is so annoying. And then she walks up and he's like, no, it's the really good one. We're the ghost. And I'm like, I remember that one.

So now I got to point this out. Tell me. Steve says, this is the one where they found the ghost in the salt mine. No, it is not Steve. What? He is watching the episode is called the, I wrote this down, the Jeeper. Jeepers, it's the creeper, which is about a guy, it's a, it takes place in a bank. There's no ghosts. We messed up. See, this is the kind of thing that the Instagram would be all in a fur about if we made this in 2025. So I brought this up, I'm a big Scooby-Doo fan. My wife and I are watching this show. Okay, this is so perfect. We pause it. The Easton is re-watching this with me right now. We pause it. So at least you and your wife watch it together.

Yes, yes. Great. Watch this together. Having a great time. I pause it and I'm like, I don't don't think this is the right episode. I look it up. I, my suspicions are confirmed. And Allison says, I think that was intentional. I don't think Steve is trying to say, oh, no, I'm watching he wasn't going to say I'm watching a specific episode. He was goofing around saying, oh, I'm watching one with the ghost because that's kind of like a generic Scooby-Doo. Oh, it's generic. Okay. There's a ghost in the salt mine. And like he's just kind of being like, oh, I'm watching cartoons, you know, much like a baby would, which we will hopefully have in the house soon. So she, gave him the credit that he's kind of intentionally doing this.

Yes. I like her thinking. I thought, they just pulled a random Scooby-Doo episode and didn't check. So did I. I mean, I think that might have happened. I love that she's giving us more credit than that.

I don't know for sure because I never noticed that. Because the only Scooby-Doo that I really remember is the ghost. Yeah. Do you mean? But that's really interesting. I mean, it does, it does make you wonder because he does seem. The thing about Steve, you know, there's like a kind of a passive-aggressive way that he gets what he wants, right?

Which is the annoying part. Like what is about to happen, which I still just can't even believe, right? But, I mean, obviously, I support what he wants because I want dogs always. But, like, the way that he gets this dog, oh, my God, I didn't remember this. And every time I watch it, I've now watched it twice. And I'm just like, this is bad, Miranda. So they have the fight about Scooby-Doo. and then Miranda's at work the next day

and she is definitely mean mommy. Oh, no, is she a work or is she walking with Carrie? Oh, yeah, no, no, she hasn't walked. When she walks with Carrie, it is the cutest thing in the world. Oh, my God. Carrie's got that massive flower on. We're in the full-on flower era. Yes.

And they are hooked in arms and they're walking on the street and those are real people. Like, it's a real person version of the walking on the street. It's so good. I love, I watched that scene twice. I loved it. It's really good. And the two of them walking and talking at any time is great.

Yeah, no, she tells Carrie that they're not in a good place. But she seems kind of okay about it in this scene, right? Like, she's like, you know, and he's so crazy that he thinks a baby's going to fix it. And she says, Carrie says, like, well, where are you two? You know, like, Carrie's just being funny, like making weird jokes and stuff. And then Miranda says, you know, I am getting older and I only have like 1,000 eggs left. And Carrie's like, yes, and we just killed 300 of them with the drinks we just had or whatever. It's all very interesting.

I'm like, okay, guys, we're joking about this. This is super fascinating. But I guess we're going to just joke about this for like a couple more seasons, I think. Yeah. Like, it's interesting. I was kind of unaware in a way, you know? It's interesting. It's interesting.

But, I mean, I know there's storyline that I remember coming up with Miranda because of her one ovary and me and there's going to be a lot more coming. But I find it so interesting how they lay the seeds. Yes. Like they're very smart about it. I like it. So they walk and talk. It's adorable. Sarah Jessica has a massive fluorescent fuchsia flower.

It's really cute. Then Miranda's at work. she's literally in the meeting of like middle of like writing a brief. Steve calls her and is like, meet me at 78th or 58th and 7th or whatever. I mean, honestly, like, who calls someone at a job and says that? Like, that's so crazy. But whatever she does it, I'm like, Miranda deserves credit.

Well, where are they there at a pet store? And he's like, can we please have a puppy? Steve. It's like so crazy. And she's like, who's going to take care of it? I mean, it is literally apparent to child conversation. But it's still a cute puppy. And he goes, it's like a starter, you know, to see if we can do it.

And he's like, it'll make everything better. And I mean, she's like, you know, she knows in her gut that this is not a good idea. Yeah. But she does it. And, you know, what do we see next? It's the middle of the night. That puppy's crying. And Miranda doesn't know.

What's do? She is obviously not a dog person, Steve. Like, it's also that kind of thing where you're like, obviously we're watching and they're in it. But like, can't he. see that she's not this. Right. It's interesting. Yeah.

It's, uh, I understand his thinking of like, let's, let's ease ourselves into the baby pool with the dog, but like, um, but she's not in it. Zero interest. Like, not even like, like, like a tiny, she's not like maybe later, you know, she's like, no. No. So he's like a dog, a puppy. And, you know, oh, yeah, yeah, but then that meet makes her in the middle of the

night. Oh, what I really love. So she bends over and she tries to give the puppy this like old-fashioned alarm clock. She's obviously still clueless about dogs, right? And then, and then she turns and she takes both hands and shakes him so hard. It really made me laugh. I think it's like, you feel, you feel her frustration watching it. And he gets up and he's like, what, you know? Yeah, since we know David's not coming on, I can do my bad invitations. So then she basically just gets up and breaks up with him in the middle of the night. And I felt really bad for him, but I felt really bad for him because she is obviously really sad about it.

And this again is when I think, like, she's so good. She's so good. Because she's still so torn. Yes. You know, it's just so well done, right? Because, like, there's nothing on paper of this situation that works. Yeah. But she's trying.

And then he goes, no, you didn't try. And she's like, I tried for a long time. And then he's like all hurt. Like literally everything she says hurts him. But I get it. She has been trying for a long time. Yes. She really has.

I feel for her. Is this the like third time they've broken up? I think it's the second time they've broken up. Yeah. Because the last time he comes to the party in the rain or whatever. He's at the dinner where he's like bringing everyone drinks. Do you remember that? Yes.

It's awkward. And then he goes out. But then she realizes because Big came that maybe she's being too harsh. Yeah. So she goes back out in the rain and the kiss was really good. It was really good. I mean, it's an interesting thing. But I do wonder, too, like if you think about real relationships, you know, how often is it that everyone on the outside is thinking this is really obviously not going to work.

But then it might work. Yes. You know what I'm saying? Yep. You don't really know. Yeah. Right? It's a chemical reaction that you don't, you can't predict.

Tina. I mean, is it a chemical reaction, though? That's my question, right? I mean, it can be a chemical reaction, but is a chemical reaction enough. Yeah. That's the question. We haven't really talked about Charlotte, which is funny. Samantha's storyline really depresses me. That's why I forgot about it. Oh, my God. This is also, I did not remember that we got into menopause at this point in the show, but I mean, we're ahead of our time, people. Ahead of our time, man. I had the same reaction. When I was watching this, I'm like, oh, this is, because I remember this episode I've seen it a handful of times and I was like oh god this happens this early me too I didn't think it happened this early at all but it does make sense because she's moved right so she's got different neighbors and so this neighbor who's like this you know ponytail dude and I mean it just wrote it like so extreme you know he's played by Robert Lupone who is Patty Lopone's brother I am aware yes yes and he he gives it is all man he really does he digs in he digs in with this guy oohie and she just seems so miserable

and I felt really bad for her so basically we have that very long scene in the bathroom and I do remember filming that and it's not the only scene we've had that was like a set that we would I think try to change up a little bit I feel like last season we also filmed in that weird counter because there's like a fake mirror

but it's obviously the cameras and it's really hard to block right because like they're all standing there and you have to, like, do the right thing at the right time, and we would just be in there for hours and hours and hours. And I remember that one because, like, that we have to pass the tampon, and then I have to go back in the stall,

and then I have to come back out. And then Samantha has to tell us all that she's older. And then there's, like, this awkward silence. Yes. It's, like, so strange. Like, I don't know if that was what was on the page. Like, do you know what I'm saying? Like, is it, is it, is it supposed to be funny?

Or is it supposed to be awkward? I guess it's just supposed to be awkward. I don't know. I was like kind of dying, watching it. Same. And I mean, it's odd because like, we must know and why is it a big deal. Yeah.

But I also feel like the rest of us are in our 30s. Like the funny thing is how we talk about aging, but we're so young. Yes. You know? And now I do think that was. be different. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't think women in the 30s are like, I only have a thousand eggs left. I mean, are they? Maybe they are. I don't know. You guys, write on the Instagram, tell me if that's true. Because I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

I felt like it was premature. You know what I mean? But I do, I feel as a female who was in her 30s at the time that this is when they started with the articles about freezing your eggs and stuff. Like, this is when they started with the articles about the ticking time clock. Yeah. Like, you kind of like, if you kind of like, if you. you were out in the world and you looked around, you just see, like, magazines, like,

your clock is ticking. Like, it was weird. It was like it just, they decided to just start talking about it all the time. Do you know what I mean? Yes. But they were not talking about menopause all the time. So I think it's really awesome that we do talk about it at all. And so poor Samantha goes through this whole really sad, sad time where she's like, I'm day old

bread. I'm dried up. Yeah, it's so sad. It's so sad. And so she has sex with her neighbor, even though she really doesn't want to. and she looks so miserable with him and they're at dinner and she's just so obviously miserable

is kind of funny that she's so obviously miserable because it's not how we normally see Samantha. Yes. But he is oblivious and then they go home and have sex but she's not even participating even remotely but she's only doing it

because she thinks she's over the hill and then she gets her period and she's so ecstatic that she runs off because she realizes she's not quote old or whatever It's all so crazy. But on the other hand, it's amazing that we were talking about it back then in the year of 2000, right? Because now 2025, we're trying to pull that lid off, man.

We got to talk about women's health. We got to talk about what menopause means and when it starts and what to do and all the different things, which I think is great. Yes, absolutely. Yes. Another moment where Sex and City trailblazing. We were. We were. I mean, we do it in a slow.

lightly, like, questionable way almost, you know, because we're, we're trying to be funny, which I think is great that we're trying to be funny. And obviously, in the second film, she's got a whole storyline about her hormones. And I remember the time, I hadn't, I hadn't been through it yet. And I didn't totally understand, you know, I didn't, I didn't not understand, but I hadn't been there. And now I have. And it's so real.

I mean, you do not want to lose your hormones. Like, you got to pack those hormones in a special. place if you're traveling and you need to guard them like you can't just put them in your suitcase because if you lose your suitcase you got to keep them with you which i think is what she's doing in the second film like it is all very real and if you lose those hormones i mean it goes south quick man i mean quick you don't sleep your sweat covered it's bad i'm sorry if i'm scaring all you younger ladies and easton this is this is real it is real it is real it is real it is real it seems like It's a caricature, but it's really not.

I mean, it is different for everyone, right? But, like, when it finally hit me, I was like, what the fuck? Like, what? Like, what? Because you're kind of like, what's going on with me? Like, it's odd. Why am I hot? Because I'm never hot, right?

Never hot. And you think, like, I had this happen when I, just this past season, no, yes, when we were filming and I had this big scene to do with Sir Jessica, where I had to go to work at, like, four in the morning or five. in the morning, but I woke up at one, and I was in an Airbnb, and I thought that the air conditioning had broke because it was really hot. And then I thought, oh, my God, did I forget to change my hormone patch? Am I having a night sweat?

I had COVID. Wow. Right. But the list of thoughts went, number one, the air conditioning broke because it was the summer. Number two, I forgot to put on my hormone patch. Number three, oh, my God, I have a fever. I have COVID. Which is number three, turned out to be true.

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Now let's talk about sweet Charlotte, sweet Charlotte. Just toying with that tray. Oh, my goodness me. But I thought it was adorable. And I didn't mind it. I mean, I don't like the playing of the games. I think we've already discussed this or whatever. In general, I don't like the playing of the games.

But I think also when I look at how it's going with Trey and Charlotte, it's all good, dirty mean, like, you know what I'm saying? It's still really fun. Everyone's having fun. Not a big deal. I do think it's also adorable. I had not remembered that I closed the door. And he says, he loves me in the most dry, dry way, but it's so adorable. Like, it's so simple. It was such a great choice, you know, on his part, I think, how he delivers that. And it is really cute. I didn't remember then that I invite him in and go to whatever base that would be, I don't know. Like Charlotte, God.

She's a wackadoodle. She is. She is. I think is that Charlotte or curious is kissing with extras. I think I say kissing with extras and she's like, how ninth grade of you? Yeah, I love that. I thought that was so fun. She's so totally 100% right.

But again, when I look at, like, if you were just to tell me this storyline, I'd be like, ew, but when you look at us, like, it's all good. It's so good. You know what I mean? He's so fantastic. And it's so perfect. And I don't think there's anything wrong with getting to know somebody before you jump in bed with them. Yes.

I think that's, I mean, that's when I was a dating man, I used to wait a very long time. But how long is a very long time? There was a couple times where they, the, the woman would ask me like, are you, are you into women? Oh, she would be worried. She was worried, yeah. Like I would wait like five dates Before making a move like that I like it

I would do like a kiss I like it I like it I like it I like it because I like it because I mean I guess it would depend on the situation But I like it because to me from a guy That's confident Yeah right because like most guys are worried that you're going to put them in a friend zone Yeah like if they don't move quickly That you're going to decide oh they're just

a friend. Like that moment will pass and it will never come back or whatever the heck, right? Yeah. But I don't, I don't think that that makes sense, really. No, and I think if that's going to happen, it's going to happen. You know, I, I always wanted an emotional connection before I did that. I think that's fantastic. Which I think makes it a lot better, you know. I think it makes it so much better. But why don't all people feel that? It's interesting. Yeah. I don't. Because now with the whole hookup culture, man, I mean, I don't think anybody waits five dates. No, no. It would be crazy. Yeah. I don't think they wait. I think it's the first night. I know. I mean, apparently this is what I hear, but I mean, I also think like that's

crazy also, right? And then I just feel like my thing too is like, why can't you just go case by case? Yes. Like maybe someone is a hookup. Yeah. And that's fine. That's great. Enjoy it. Yeah. Know what it is. This is what it is. I'm not expecting anything. Right. But then maybe somebody else might not be or maybe you don't know and you need to find out right yes it's all very confusing yeah so i think with this charlotte tray i think the important thing to me when i look at it is that they they seem in sync like it's not like he's mad or confused or anything like that like he seems equally into it yes which is why it's working they're they're both yeah exactly exactly which is so adorable do we cover everything easan you're so good with the paperwork

I think so I just One thing I want to point out from Charlotte's moment I just love the line where she's They're talking about the tampons And she's like

Well I have them at home But they won't fit in my Kate Spade purse I love that line I'm so glad I'm so glad Yeah it was quite a Kate Spade moment It was quite a Kate Spade moment And you know

I love Kate Spade and Yes Yeah It's yeah It's a little sad Talk about Kate Spade Yeah But I love Kate Spade

and I love that I later, later, many years later, was working in England and they were trying to get wardrobe for me and they said, no, we're trying to get some Kate Spade, but we can't get any. And I was like,

you can't get any Kate Spade? Like, can I call them? I think I could get you to some Kate Spade. Well, to them, Kate Spade was just like, like an unattainable dream. Do you mean? It was adorable. but I do love Kate Spade, and I do remember there was a really big Kate Spade store

on like Broome and Spring or Prince, and I used to go there all the time, and I used to buy a lot of stationery. She made beautiful stationary, and I still have a bunch of it. And we had a lot of wonderful things from Kate Spade for a really long time, and it was so quintessentially Charlotte, I thought. You know, so kind of perfectly Charlotte. I have spent so much money at Kate Spade in my life. Yes, I, up until recently, I always had a Kate Spade iPhone case.

No way. Oh, my God. And I love the crazy bags that they make. The fun. The fun ones. Like my wife has one that looks like a mouse, one that looks like a crab. I bought her one that looks like a radio because I work in radio. And we love Kate's made.

I have like a loose site, like a loose site box one. You know what I mean? It's interesting. It's interesting. I like it. Yeah, I like it a lot. I think it was Charlotte. I don't know if it's Charlotte's.

I don't know. I like it, though. I like it. It's fun. It's like a fun, I like the fun, whimsical nature of it. I love that stuff. I agree with you. I agree with you.

I think this episode overall was really good, but I also think that one of the things that I am aware of when I watched this episode, like I kind of mentioned, is just the skillfulness of the writing in terms of planting all these different things. Yes. That are going to be growing and growing. And I think this is why I love third season so much. Yep. Right?

Like they weave everything in and it's really going to pay off. Yes. You know, but it's also really fun along the way. Like, each episode is great and it's hard to turn it off when you need to turn it off. It's fair, you know, or at the beginning we were talking about, like, you would watch sitcoms from the past and it was like everything would be tied up. Right. You could watch any episode. They used to tell you that you had to do that.

Yeah. Yes. They had to be self-sufficient, like the one episode so that if someone just one, just had never seen it and was coming to that episode that they didn't need any backstory or forward story, it would just be self-contained. Yes. And it makes sense because, you know, it makes sense because, you know, know, where they're going to, you're not going to pick it up on DVD, you know, you can't do that back then. So it makes sense. But something I think is so masterful about this, this show and this season specifically is like you get, you get, I think, the best of both worlds, because you get

these, these seeds for these long arcs, you get to follow along on these stories. But I think if you just watch this episode on its own, it has these really succinct ideas that you can enjoy. Yeah. That's a good point. I mean, that's what's cool about the way that they wove together her writing and the themes of the episode with the relationships that are happening in the episode and why we can 25 years later talk about the theme and have it still be interesting. Absolutely. It's crazy.

It's crazy to think about. It still boggles my mind. You know, I mean, I never would have dreamt in a million hundred years that we would be here discussing the themes and the characters and the relationships. It's cuckoo. But I love it. It's such a gift. It's such a gift.

It really is. Yes. Thanks, Eustin. Thank you. You're so fun. It's easy. It's easy and good. We'll just have to have Allison on one day.

She's ready. She's jogging a place. That would be fun. That would be fun. She'd love to. She'd have you together. Oh, my goodness. I'm down.

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